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2:47Dunk, they're asking, is there any Wi-Fi that you can hop on on there? Oh, my God. If I go near this phone, there's a good chance that I'm going to get back on this phone. How do you do it? How do you get the Wi-Fi? If you go on the Wi-Fi tab, does there drop down with what Wi-Fi is available where you are? It says Wi-Fi not connected. Then it's got Glen Torn. I press on that. Click on Glen Torn. I need a password for Glen Torn, no? Yeah, possibly. God almighty, look, I'm on my own in here, one second. I have to go down to this team meeting, this will be hilarious. Fucking hell. One second, I go down the stair.

3:33Oh my God. This is stressful. Hold on, one second. It's okay, we've got time, don't worry. What's the password in here, lad? For the Wi-Fi? Plenty of time, Rob. That's the fucking other fucking noxie in here that's like me. Anybody know the password, Wi-Fi? oh give me the wifi come here give me the one for me hold on one second I'll get one of the players to date for me one second oh good put that in there put that in there

4:06I'll get one of the wifi how do you know if you're on it should say if you're on it should say join join in can we go to the side today or something oh it should be to be working on here

4:30Maybe a cabal on the front. Does anybody know the Wi-Fi code? It should be in death. It's a Starfleet. I'm going to go around the Disney planet here. What is it? you know got it up somewhere huh did that make you the room

4:54fucking somebody must know the fucking wifi code for fuck shit yeah just follow it new wifi yeah come on Declan step up what this is the best thing he's going to change Declan you three I'll try it don't worry behind broken where

5:22How many men does it take to connect to Wi-Fi?

5:28Woody, I hope you're filming all of this. This is an episode in its self-esteem. Knock off, I wrote. You got it? You got it? It says joining Enter the password to join Somebody must know the fucking password Hey Do you know the password? Shake man Shake man

6:02I'm fucking useless I mean I'm not useless G-L

6:26Oh, my God.

6:31Hey, I hope you lads can control the football, by the way.

6:37Oh my god, I'm actually crying Did you hear it then? Oh my god Oh my god I can't speak That's quality It's gone I don't know where he's gone We've got this still now Oh my god Oh

7:02They should have just gone with the 40 It's the way he just started Like the racing and went off I don't know where he's gone He's going to come back stressed In a minute As soon as you said try the wifi I thought this was going to go This is just a recipe for disaster Just be happy with the 40 Just be happy with the 40 Okay now I can't be serious. Oh, God. Oh, God. I was better than only falls in all sorts. I was waiting for a lampshade to fall down at the back of him.

7:41Oh, my God. Oh, that was so funny. I'm crying. Oh, God. He's gone.

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8:24Am I back on? You're back on. I'll just let you know that all that was being filmed... All that was being filmed... Honestly, Christ, I've never... I'm taking a fucking heart attack here. Honestly, Christ, it's the blind leading the blind. What chance have I got? Oh, my God. So long as it... Honestly, Christ. You never filmed that, did you? The whole thing is filmed. The whole thing. Oh, no. The whole thing. Brilliant. That was gold. Gold, mate. That was gold. I'm not joking. Mark and I were crying with laughter. I don't know if we can film this. We just can't stop laughing. Can you hear me now?

9:03Yeah, we can hear you now. What? Go away. Go away. Oh, my God. That was sensational work. I need to have a drink of this Yule.

9:22right now we've got him back I need one of the drinks big money for that ok we're ready to go we're ready to go alright Mark I don't know if you're missing Big Dunk today so we'll get him on Zoom for you Dunk good morning to you how are you how are you feeling I'm feeling not too bad actually I was doing a bit ropey yesterday I feel a bit better this morning even though you know what's just happened don't you We had slight issues getting on the Wi-Fi, but... Honestly, tonight, man, you know, I'm absolutely rubbish on these phones, you know what I mean? Terrible. But there you go. To be fair, it looks like everybody else is terrible as well.

10:00So I'm in good company. Well, you know the first thing you need to change at the club there, Dunk? Like the Wi-Fi? Yeah. Oh, dearie me, I tell you. I didn't realise how difficult it was. I don't know. But you've got it. Start with the Wi-Fi and then you'll get on to the football. Because your first game was cancelled, wasn't it, last weekend? It was, yeah, disappointingly Yeah, we're at home To Balamina, the pitch is called Oval So All the water lies in it So it was pretty bad The pitch was in bad condition In a way, I'm glad it was off Because we try to play a bit of football So it was a bit disappointing really That the game was cancelled But you've had a bit more time with the team though now Yeah, no, we've had a bit more time, yeah So that's good, but we've not played for a few weeks now so that's not so good so we're trying to get some minutes in we had a bit of bounce game on Monday just to get them some minutes a 60 minute game between each other so yeah it's been a while since we've played we were desperately taking the game on last week but as I said the pitch was waterlogged so we struggled so we'll be no problem for tomorrow night we're away to the league the league the runaway league leaders at the moment so Coleraine at the top in the league they're a good team so it's going to be a tough match for us Good luck we've got everything crossed for you Yeah good luck mate good luck Try our very best hopefully we can get some kind of result boys are trained well and yeah so hopefully we can I'm just going to train them now actually I've just done a tactical meeting which got interrupted for some reason as you know I've got to say the floodlights don't run off the wifi as well there do they because it's a Friday night game Oh my god so yeah so it's a tough game for us but we're in reasonably good shape as you said I've worked for them for the last couple of weeks so they're getting my ideas across so the boys have been good with me and hopefully we can get some kind of result tomorrow night Great we'll be following along we'll be following along but have you been keeping up with Carabao Cup this week because I wanted to ask you about the Max Dauman situation now as a man that was partial to a little yellow and red card in your time how do you see that situation with him?

12:18Well, it's still even a yellow card in our time, is it? No, definitely not. It's still even a yellow card in our day. But yeah, I thought it was very, very unlucky, to be honest, to get a red card for that. I mean, yeah, he kind of nudges him a wee bit with his knee, I think. They were tangled together. It was a strong challenge. And I don't see that as a red card at all, really. I think maybe he could have given him a yellow quite easily. I think he was a wee bit unlucky lad. Feel for him. Did you see Mikel Arteta when he was walking off? It's like the biggest mystery as to what exactly he said to Max Dowman.

13:01Yeah. I saw he said something to him, didn't he? Obviously, he wasn't happy. So, no, maybe he's probably... You better say nothing, really, aren't you? Because that's why they cover the mouse, don't they? maybe he says something in Spanish you know what I mean but I'm sure somebody will lip read him eventually I think as a manager or as a player coming off you don't really want your manager saying too much to you you just want to go down the tunnel don't you that's happened to me quite a few times in my career and I've just my managers maybe they've been too scared to say anything to me but I just go straight down the tunnel and I don't know what Mikel said but 16 year old lad but it's the heat of the moment heat the battle and he'll he'll learn for that Max because I think it's two red cards isn't it he's got a couple of red cards he's got one with the 21s as well so he has to be careful because people won't target him he's a young up and coming player got a good chance to get all the way to the top and he won't be targeted I'm going to say how do you know someone's so young 16 and this happens and he's coming off the pitch, you as a manager, are you thinking about what you're going to say to him as he's coming off the pitch?

14:19Because Arteta wouldn't have expected it. Is it just the eat of the moment thing like you said? Or do you judge it? You'll deal with it when you get in the dressing room? It's quite clear that he wasn't happy, Arteta, but he's such a young lad, isn't he? He's so young. And he's got a big chance of actually playing at Arsenal, with the injury to Saka as well. He's definitely in their plans. moving forward with the injury to Saka. Yeah, no, I mean, I wouldn't, I don't think I'd be saying anything as a manager because you never know, the player might turn and say something back to you. Do you know what I mean?

14:54Before you go, you've got confrontation. So, you know, even though he's a young player, he might have turned and said to the manager, you know, F off or something, you know what I mean? I wasn't even a red card, you know what I mean? You don't know, you could get, you could hate confrontation on the touchline then. so for me for Mikel he's probably better he never said anything because the player could bite back couldn't he before you know it you have got a real problem so no I think probably Mikel looking back on it's probably better he never said anything but you know it's the heat of the moment as you said he didn't have much time to think about it I don't think so I'm sure he'd have dealt with it in the dressing room or maybe today but it was a soft soft red card let's get the job right it was soft I mean it was only a wee nudge wasn't it I mean it wasn't It's not as if he two-footed them or really got into them.

15:45There's no injury, there's no nothing. There seems to be more and more soft red cards being handed out recently. Is that because the threshold's got lower or there's just more eyes on the game? It's becoming more and more non-contact, isn't it? I look at the Liverpool sending off Gravenberg earlier on in the season and you're thinking, oh, that's a soft red card. It's quite a great game of football that is, for a really, really soft red card. Dunk, you got nine. What did you get? Nine reds in your career. How many would you get in today's game? I don't know how many reds I got, Tibor. Was it nine?

16:25I think it was nine. I mean, I would struggle, Tibor. I would definitely struggle. A lot of players in the new generation would struggle in this era. It's definitely went non-contact. It's very pernickety. pernickety, it's very forensic, you know what I mean, and I'm about my old school, a red card's got to be a red card, do you know what I mean, it's got to be a red card, do you know what I mean, if you're going to get a red card, it's a red card, or they bring in other cards, I don't know, an orange or something, they bring in three cards, do you know what I mean, back in our day, it was quite difficult to get a red card.

16:58Especially with VAR as well, you'd be in trouble, big man, with VAR these days. I think we just all would be, wouldn't we, we'd all be in trouble, because it was mere contact back then, you got stuck in you got into their enforcer they kind of got into you you took a few hits you gave a few hits and the game settled down and if there was any naughty tackles the referee would sort it out but no it's very it's pretty easy to get a red card now it was a wee bit tougher back in the other day but I tried my best to be fair Well I think Arsenal are appealing that one for Max Damman so we'll see how that one works out we've also been talking about stutter penalties what is your view of a stutter penalty if a player steps up who plays for you and they stutter on that run-up?

17:42Yeah, I mean, look, as long as they go in, as long as they go in, I might have done it once or twice in my career and they managed to go in, as long as you put the ball in the net. But look, I think you'll smack in as hard as you can into the corner. I mean, the goalies are no better than me. It's probably a better way to do it, I would think, because it's tough for the goalie to get down to it or up to it. But if you've got that confidence enough and it works for you, I remember, was it Mendieta? back in the day he played for Valencia he used to he used to up and look at the goalkeeper till he moves and he put it the other way but no I think you need to get a bit of bottle to to slow your run down and to stutter quite a bit I'm not having it at all I mean you as a manager if one of your players on Friday night and this looks good when you miss but it doesn't look good when you miss you know when if one of your players does that on Friday night and he misses as a manager I'm thinking what is he doing?

18:38Just step up and put the... And for a goalkeeper, I want you to stutter. And for Arsenal, Champions League. Yes. Gabriel, he missed the penalty. I don't know. For me as a goalkeeper, I want you to do that. I think it gives me a massive advantage. Does it give you time? It gives me time. Because it's such a slow run-up and then they stop. I'm sitting in the middle of the goal I'm not moving If someone's running up to it Like Harry Kane does most of the time Stuart Pearce used to do back in the day Matt Letizia used to do Great penalty takers Although they did miss a few If they're running up to it And smashing it in the corner I don't want that as a goalkeeper I want them to approach the ball slowly Give me a chance Because if someone's running up to it To smash it

19:36I'm trying to anticipate where it's going because I know it's coming at pace so I've got to anticipate that that ball is it going across me or is it going to the other side with the stutter I'm stood there thinking I've got a chance to wait a little bit longer before I do anticipate I see what you're saying there I want to read you this quote so this was the Fleetwood keeper last night Jay Lynch about saving Bruno Gimaraes' penalty. He said, I managed to get a read on his body shape with a stutter as he's running up, and I thought, pick that side and go with it, I managed to save it. So it completely buys into exactly what you were just saying then.

20:17Because it gives him that split-second extra time to try and work out where the penalty's going. Listen, you don't always get it right, and there is a certain amount of anticipation there, even when there's a stutter. But, you know, it's just that little... So that time you've got extra as a goalkeeper gives you that little bit of advantage. Yeah. And I suppose with the new rules, big fella, with the new rules with the goalie, he's got you stuck in the line. He's got you stay on the line. Back in the day, you could come off your line, didn't you? You stepped off your line. Yeah. A couple of yards.

20:46So you kind of read that. But now they're stuck on the line. So hitting it harder, I think it'd be easier for the penalty taker to hit it harder because you've got to keep it on the line, haven't you? Much harder. You can't have moved early. Much harder for the keeper, that you've got to have one foot on the line as the ball's been struck. And, you know, again, with VAR, people don't hesitate to do a retake on a penalty. They do not. So the longer time you've got as a goalkeeper, the better chance you have. Well, Fleetwood Town's reward is a home tie against either Everton or Newcastle, who play tonight in the next round.

21:21The smile that comes over your face there, Big Dunk. What are your thoughts on this one? Yeah, I mean we've got a chance haven't we We've got a right good chance now We've not won a cup for forever It's a great chance for us Great chance for us, we're at home Tough game against Newcastle, don't get me wrong But we'll go strong And you're tough to favour Everton to get through that tie at home If it'd been away, probably a bit more difficult And then you've got a chance to go to Fleetwood And that gets you in the semi-finals So yeah, it's a big chance For Everton this season I think it's 1995 1995, the last time Everton won a trophy, which, I don't know, it feels criminal.

22:00Yeah, it's a long time. It's a long, long, long, long time. You wouldn't regard Everton as a team that would wait that long for a trophy. It feels, though, this feels like a big game for both these sides tonight. It feels bigger than a cup tie, just in the context of the season. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's historic. I know Newcastle won a couple of seasons back, But, yeah, I mean, Everton, for Everton particularly, at home against Newcastle, and it's a big chance to get to the quarterfinal, isn't it? And you know who's awaiting you, Fleetwood. I know it's a weight, Fleetwood, but, you know, they must really, really fancy themselves.

22:37So this is the one that you've got to win. And then you would think you were in the semifinal, really. So it really is like, not trying to be disrespected to Fleetwood, don't get me wrong, but Everton will go in strong. I don't know how strong Arsenal were last night. I've seen wee bits. I know they had Gorka, Rez up front and a few others in the team, but they did a lot of young 'uns. Everett are going strong against Fleetwood if they get through this tie. And so with Newcastle, you've got a chance of getting to the semi-final. So, yeah, but it is... And the cup runs great for everybody, isn't it?

23:07It is. But Newcastle, I feel like they feel like this is their competition of late. They're aiming for a fifth consecutive quarterfinal. They've won it in the last couple of years. It's like their fans, I think, maybe feel like they have something to show and prove every season. And I think it's probably their best chance of winning a trophy, arguably. You know, they may be thinking about kind of getting to Europe. There was lots of players rested in the games last night. Lots and lots of players, which you can understand, squad rotation. It'd be interesting to see how seriously that Everton and Newcastle treat this game to get into a quarterfinal.

23:46with it being their best chance of winning a competition. Absolutely. They're going to go in strong, big man. You just have to. You've got Fleetwood away, man. You win this game. I know it's not your football. It's football and you can throw up crazy results. But Everton win tonight. You've got Fleetwood in the quarterfinal. I don't know the other draw. Who's the other draws?

24:10Where's Liverpool and Man City? Who are they, Drew? So it's Liverpool, Bournemouth. Yeah. Palace against Sunderland. Right. And then Man City, Bradford City. Right, so Man City will get through that one, wouldn't they? So, yeah, you know, so you'll get through this one and the Everton will go to... You know, the Hayfleet wouldn't say the quarterfinal, you know what I mean? It's a big carrot, isn't it? So, Everton will definitely go in strong and hopefully... I think Newcastle might go in strong as well. Yeah, hopefully it'll be a good watch. Look, Big Dunk, we've taken up enough of your time. Thank you for zooming in.

24:46I hope you feel better. What's the plan for the rest of the day? Well, believe it or not, I've got to go up to the training ground and work on my tactics. The boys will be waiting for me. Well, I hope that goes smoother than it was connecting to Wi-Fi this morning. Oh, my God. I hope so. I hope tomorrow night goes a bit smoother. We will be in trouble, won't we? Good to see you, mate. Good luck tomorrow night as well. All the best. See you next week, Kate. Take care. Good luck. Take care, Dave. Bye-bye. This episode is sponsored by HEO. Official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily. Right, Tim, that time again.

25:18In partnership with Huel, you and I are going to discuss one less thing in football. Now, we've had a few discussions, haven't we? Shim pads last week, wasn't it, I think? Yeah, holes. Holes in the socks. What is the one thing you would like to see one less of in football? Well, I need to. This is what needs to come out of the game. Players. You've been thinking about this, haven't you? Yeah, I hate this. I hate this. And every time someone does it, I just can't have it. It just winds me up. But players winding up the crowd like this. The team might be losing in the game. Cunha did it at Old Trafford.

25:47He went down the bottom corner. He's like this to the crowd. And then you put the camera pans to the crowd and all giving it, get on with your own job. Have you got liberty? Absolutely disgusting. I hate it. Straight red card. Anyone who does that, surely they've got to get booked. If they do it again, send them off. Odegaard does it a lot. There's ones who are serial performers of it. So you're going to send someone off for going to the trap again? Yeah, nonsense. What are they doing? Go yellow. What are they doing? I was going to say, you know, like, standing ovations or celebrating tackles in the area, but this one winds me up more than anything.

26:24Yeah. It winds me up. Why? These people pay their money. They're paying a lot of money to go and watch you. They're 2-0 down. Yeah, I know. You're meant to get stuck in, have a run around. Actually, you've turned me around now. I think you could be right. Straight red. One less thing in football. telling your fans to get behind them. Waving your arms around. Instead of running more, tackling more and trying a bit more. Yeah. Like the manager should be standing there. Michael Carrick should be doing that to his players all day. Shouldn't he? 95 minutes he should be doing that. You know what I mean?

26:50If it makes a difference. You're livening yourself up. Don't worry about the fans. Yeah. Alright. You having it? Yeah, I'm having it. Yeah, and I actually remember it was down in the left-hand side. Yeah, it was. Couldn't you? It goes out to the crowd. Yeah, it's a liberty. Yeah, I'd actually, if I paid big money to watch Absolute Dross and the player does that to me I'd be going you've got some front yeah who are you kidding yeah yeah alright straight red get them out get them out ok do you think the Premier League will have that one yeah Howard Webb we'll get on it Howard Webb alright brilliant one less thing of football players telling the fans to get going yeah get rid of it get out nonsense the verdict's in footballers who waved their arms to liven up the crowd is gone.

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30:47Welcome to Games Gone, Games Back. Brought to you by Sky Bear. This is part of the show where we discuss topics from the last week and decide whether they're games gone or games back. So we've got three topics today. You're very professional at this. I'm trying, Becca. I'm not as good as you. So the first topic we've got is players apologising to fans on social media. So the example was Max Dowman got sent off on Tuesday night and did an apology to fans on social media. Is that game gone? Mark, you were a player. No, it's not something I... I would never apologise for something that... For me, it's all in house.

31:29I get it, and he's a young lad, but... I'm not even sure it was a big card either. Well, exactly. If he's gone and two-footed someone, and maliciously, then maybe so. I don't know. I agree. It depends what you're apologising for, right? If you've really, really done something wrong and you're like, no, that was way over the line, I need to apologise for that, absolutely fine. If you're publicly apologising for scoring against, like, your old team or something, no. I've seen players come in the dressing room after and apologise to the teammates. Yeah, of course. Yeah, so, which is normal. But that's the pressure of social media now, isn't it?

32:05Social media. You've got to be sort of on there to be saying, I don't think a player needs to apologise publicly. I think as a fan I know that they're sorry if they've done anything wrong anyway. I don't need them to tell me. Of course, because no one's a bad person. Game's gone. Game's gone. Are we... Stop apologising. Own it, boys. Own it. Own it. Own it. Own it, yeah. Yeah. Right, next one. We've mentioned this today already. So I don't know what your thoughts would be on this as the goalkeeper, but stutter penalties. Get it right down there. Get it underneath the pitch. I thought you'd want it.

32:41I thought it'd be games back. If you're the goalkeeper, it's like... No, I want it. But if I'm the manager and they do it and miss... Yeah. As a fan watching it, you just think, you have to get this in the net. If you're going to stutter, you have to score. I don't enjoy watching stutter penalties. They make me too nervous. Game's gone. Game's gone. Are we low? There's too many of them costly than there is... We'll go right at the bottom. ...to the advantage. For me, stuttering penalties, no chance. You're fuming, aren't you, if they miss, like you say. That's coming from me. Or a Penenka, that's the other one.

33:14You have to get that right if you're going to go for Penenka. You have to. If the keeper catches the ball in a penalty, that game's gone in itself. Even if they go for a corner, if they catch the ball, there's a problem there, isn't there? I tell you what, it's brave from a goalkeeper just to stand there and anticipate that he's just going to chip it into his hand. But when it happens, you almost can't believe it's happened. I don't know, it's never happened to me. Like Christmas Day. Yeah, yeah. If that happens. I'm not having all this chipping and... Stick it in the net. Get on with it. So the last one we've got here is music when a goal's been scored.

33:55So the example is Fleetwood with Captain Pugwash.

34:02I find this funny, OK? Like, I just enjoy that. But it's a very American thing to bring and I just can't see it flying. Is that the way we're going? Well, yes, we're expecting... If they did that at Anfield, I'd be livid. Yeah, I mean, I do think... If they played music after we scored. I was like, no. It depends on the context of where it's being played. Captain Bugwash as well, come on. How does that tour actually go? I don't even know. I know Leicester do Kasabian, don't they? I'm on fire every time they score. And every time I'm like... But the problem you have now as well, VAR checks everything.

34:40So it's like if you go too soon and you play it, and they're like, rewind, delete. That's it, innit? Control-Alt-Delete on that. I'm going to say game's gone. Say, mate. You shouldn't need to generate atmosphere, should you? That's my opinion. I agree. Game's gone. Game's gone. Game's gone, mate, yeah. Game's gone. Can I put it next to novelty inflatables, maybe? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, about there. We're happy with that. Oh, do it straight. Sorry, sorry. No, it's not aesthetic. I want to know who's coming up with these ideas. I think each time our team get inspired. From their football club. Sorry, I thought you meant these.

35:14I bet you thought I was a big dunk there, did you? No, I mean, who decides, right, when we score, we're going to play some music? Well, I think people just trial different ideas. It's funny. Because everybody's trying to always be like, be the best, be more, give more. Gary said when he was captain of Man United, he decided the walkout music. Really? So, you know, like, this is the one that United still go out to now. When Gary became captain, he decided that he wanted that song as they walked out. So I do think there must be a sway on captaincy, but I don't know with the goal score. I think, like, walking out, it gives you, like, walking down the tunnel, you hear that music, it adds to, like...

35:56Everton with Zed cars and things like that. Yeah, no, there's some amazing stuff. I love Villa when they do the Hi Ho, Silver Liners song. Like, all the walkout songs, fully down for it, creates atmosphere and I love a good firework display. I love a good firework display on a walkout, FYI. Oh, I do. Really? I love Sunderlands at the minute this season. Do you know when they sing, when they come out? Oh, it's amazing. No, that type of stuff, absolutely. Games back. Games back. But I think if you score a goal and then you've got simply the best playing in the background. The rest is when you're in the away end and you're just like, no, no.

36:33I think we're making some good decisions moving forward. I'm worried about there's not much games back. We're very glass half full with this. Managers joining team goal celebrations. I'm down for that. Absolutely. We need a few more games back, don't we? I love a Jose Neeslide down the touchline. Absolutely. Players leaving stadium on Fort Coppola. Oh, my God. He does love that walk. I think it's down to the Butcher's Hook in Chelsea because it's a nightmare, the traffic around there. So it's just easier for them to... Maybe have a chat with a few fans and all that. It's nice for the fans to say, yeah, I think we're in a good place.

37:08I feel like we need some positivity next week. Yeah, we do, we do. Give us something that's bringing football back. Yeah. Well, that was Games Gone, Games Back, brought to you by Skybet. Thank you. You were much more relaxed there, Kieran. Do I need to worry about my job? Because Dunk's not here, yeah. Dunk's not here. Yeah.

37:33All right, Mark, it has been a big week in the Carabao Cup. Have you enjoyed it this week? I have enjoyed it, yeah. I've enjoyed watching a few of the games whilst I was over in Spain. Yes, you had a holiday, but working pleasure at the same time. Working pleasure, yeah. But penalty shootouts, come to the fore. This is your forte with this, but there have been some entertaining ones. If we start with the Liverpool-Chelsea game, I feel the shootout was more entertaining than the 90 minutes. It was, yeah. I mean, listen, when any game goes to penalties, it's more exciting for watching it on TV or watching it live.

38:07You know, when you're in the crowd, you get really excited. And there's one thing for sure, it was good entertainment when it actually went to penalties. I think the game itself probably wasn't the best game, but it certainly got exciting towards the end, which is what we like to see in the Carabao Cup. The whole thing was decided on penalties, like two pens in three minutes by both teams. It was like, stick your hand up if you want to cause a defensive error to give the other team a pen. Well, there you go. So there's been that many penalties, that many games going to penalties. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, you're exactly right.

38:44It was like, come on, let's give a penalty away. Let's see who can take the best penalty. And then it goes to penalties and everything just... It was really exciting to watch. You know, it was interesting for me because I'm watching the goalkeepers all the time as well. What's the modern-day goalkeeper? how is he studying, which way the penalties are going to go. So watching the games go to penalties, it's really interesting for myself. Having been renowned for saving penalties was my forte. It certainly was your forte. We'll have a big chat about all of that a little bit later. Well, there was lots of things.

39:18Xabi Alonso was back at Liverpool. Jordan Henderson was back. I love, did you see Jordan Henderson picked up the ball for Chelsea like he was going to take the penalty? He was sort of like half smiling, walking towards it. and everyone was thinking, no, surely not. I think that just shows Jordan's character, you know, being a great pro over the years and still doing a fantastic job. It's interesting now that, you know, Xavi Alonso going back to Liverpool, having come off the end of a bad result against Spurs in a derby and losing again, interesting to hear people now questioning him as a manager for Chelsea, which is interesting again.

39:54But he was a great player for Liverpool, wasn't he? so I'm sure he relished the opportunity going back but how many times have people come away from Anfield victorious? Again, it would have been a sad night for him but it would have been also good for him to go back there as well and experience and meet people that he probably hasn't seen for a while. Absolutely. For Liverpool, do you think this win again, they're just getting this momentum coming now, we're seeing the identity of Iraiola, they seem to be gaining rhythm, Liverpool. I think when you look at the way Liverpool have progressed, I was at the game when Liverpool played Forest, I went to Anfield to watch the game, and for me, without being biased, Forest were the better team on the day, and you look at it and think, Liverpool have a lot of work to do here if they're going to be challenging for the Premier League title.

40:46But as time's just gone on and things have settled down, and McCall is doing well, and his act's starting to hit a little bit of form. so yeah I think looking at Liverpool the way it's progressing it's looking promising moving forward and I think they're going to be right up there again I think it always helps when there's like a couple of feel-good stories throughout the team as well Lewis Koumas has been brilliant for them at the start of the season an academy boy and all that story that goes with it but you can now add Joe Gomez scoring a goal for Liverpool finally after like 280 appearances Wow, it's a long time there It is.

41:24It's been a long, long, long, long time. Do you think you probably thought it was never going to happen? Probably, because you do get in a mindset where strikers get in mindsets, goalkeepers get in mindsets, defenders get in mindsets. When things are not going right, you're thinking, is this ever going to come? And sometimes the mind plays tricks with you when you're out of form with a goalkeeper. Again, I go back to Manchester United, goalkeeper running off his line in the last minute, trying to fix things that don't need. you get drawn into things and things get worse and it's the same with strikers where if you're not in the back of the net you're wondering where the next goal's coming from so Joe Gomez will be relieved that he's got his goal and Yung Kumas, what a story, brilliant he's got his opportunity he looks a real talent, real talent and I played with his dad actually for what else, Jason yeah, he's a good player, midfield player really good midfield player technically but I really like the look of this young man.

42:22He looks a real talent. Yeah, and getting through penalty shootouts in the manner that they did as well, it just adds feel-good energy to a team. It does, and listen, winning games of football, it breeds confidence, whether it's whatever cup competition it is, and that'll do some of the Liverpool players the world of good getting through that cup competition because the momentum's there at the football club. You mentioned about Xavi Alonso and people questioning his squad choice now. Do you think this is the first big challenge that he has faced? Possibly. Again, losing his goalkeeper, who for me is right up there.

43:01He's right up there as one of the best, not only in the Premier League, but in the world. I had the pleasure of working with him at Sheffield Wednesday. Did you? What was that like? I did. It was great. He came on loan from Arsenal. I was doing the 21s, goalkeepers there, and he kept coming to me asking for extra sessions, so athletic I have never seen anyone as athletic in my life real good work ethic and you could only see him going to the top maybe Arsenal let him go a little bit too soon I don't know but he's proved what I thought he was going to be and he's a real real nice young man as well he wants to learn and he's asking advice all the time so that will have been a big problem for Alonso losing him and I watched the Spurs game when the goalkeeper made a big mistake.

43:48Mike Penders. Yeah, and Spurs were targeting from corners to put it under the bar. You could see that. So it's going to be a big test. Mentally, for a keeper, when you do make an error like that and it's sort of in one of your first beginning games, how do you... Because obviously Kinski at Spurs has obviously been through a learning experience with all this. Mentally, as a keeper, how do you cope with this? What do you do? Well, when you're playing in the toughest league in the world, it's difficult to get through. And again, you wait for that game where things start to go right. Because there's a time when things seem to be going against you.

44:32You've just got to get through that period and keep doing what, but not get drawn into making your mind up to do things before they actually happen. for instance if there's a corner coming in right I'm going to do my best to come for this it might not be the right time to do it so I think it's staying calm probably after games looking back at the video evidence you know or there'll be a specific video camera on the goalkeeper so you can watch your game you can see where you can see parts of the game where you've actually done something that you not normally would do sounds complicated but we're deep thinkers and there's a lot more to it than just stopping the ball from going in the goal.

45:15Chelsea have Manchester United at the weekend as well, which is a big game for both these teams. It's massive, isn't it? I mean, from both managers and going into this game, it's going to be a battle of the strongest mindset. It almost is that, isn't it? A battle of the mindset first before you even get on the pitch. It is, yeah. it is I'm sure there'll be a little bit of wind-ups and that prior to the game and I think the key thing is don't be getting too involved don't be getting sent off and you know it's a massive game for both clubs already at this early on in the season I think more so for Manchester United it's been an absolute merry-go-round hasn't it with what's going on with that football club never seen anything like it in my entire involvement in football it just it's looking in from the outside.

46:08What a mess. It looks like they're going to be sticking with Michael as well, which I'm pleased to see. Let's see what performance the players put in for him. Clear the air talks with his captain, which I'm a big believer that the captain should have already a relationship with the manager anyway. Clear the air talks, what does that mean? I think there should be weekly conversations between the captain and the manager, so they're singing off the same in sheet. Can anything be done from the manager to make it easier for the players? Are the players happy with the way things are going? And I think that's where your captain relates back to us.

46:48Certainly back in our day, that's what would happen. The captain would run the dressing room. The manager would take care of team priorities and what goes on above, but there has to be that dialogue between the manager and the captain for me. Otherwise, you end up in a situation like they're in. Man City and Bryson 2-0 after full time that went to penalties obviously Manchester City getting the job done two teams that are both in good moments but on the balance of open play who do you think deserved it more last night? I don't know I think probably if I had to call one I would say probably Brighton attempts at goal and I know I'm not a massive lover of stats because stats don't win football matches but it's I think Brighton are a fantastic football team and even at Anfield, in the league, they looked like they could go on and score a goal at any time.

47:46They were just left a little bit open at the back. Maybe if they looked at that again, they maybe approached it a little bit different because it was attack, attack, attack and then Liverpool were superb on the counter-attack. Liverpool on the counter-attack at Anfield. They were really good at it and that's where we're back all. and I think a big an in to shine. But Brighton, who would have expected this from them? And in last night's performance, I think they probably shaded it, to be honest. City did have a rotation. They had four academy players in there. How important is this type of competition to be able to get those guys some minutes?

48:25Well, there's a lot of changes and it does give the manager a chance to look at fringe players. I get that, I get that. We spoke about Everton and Newcastle, how strong will they go? Because it's a big opportunity to win a competition. Now, I'm sure that there'll be changes. It's all about squad rotation now, isn't it? And there's that many games, most of the players are international players as well. They do need rest. And it is a great opportunity to look at fringe players. And, you know, the players will be knocking on the manager's door. I want to be in the team, I want to be in the team or their agents will be and it's a chance for the manager to go don't come knocking on my door if you're not performing to the standards that we desire Well I love that we saw different keepers last night so yeah, Mamadash Vili at Liverpool really at City and then Marco Bizot who I cannot say that name without thinking of that Unai Emery interview where he just said Marco Bizot for the whole time Do you remember that interview?

49:30I don't, no. No, I didn't see it. Unai is brilliant, FYI, but there's just one interview. I don't know, Emi Martinez, he was out the team for some reason, no one really knew why, and the reporter was asking, where is he? And he just answered the whole interview just going, Marco, bizot, Marco, bizot, Marco, bizot. After about four questions, I think the reporter gave up and just said, thank you very much. But it was such an iconic interview from Unai, was that. So obviously a character. Obviously, he's a character. Such a character. But yeah, Marco Bizot was back for Villa. Yeah, I think, you know, experienced goalkeeper.

50:09Can I rely on him? If that fantastic goalkeeper that we've just signed, Suzuki, I think he's absolutely fantastic. He has been the shining light for me in the Premier League as far as goalkeepers are concerned. You know, Martinez goes. The team at Villa gets ripped apart with some great players leaving. what a job they're doing there. But the goalkeeper, Suzuki looks a real good goalkeeper. Now, it's always nice to have a bit of experience as you back up and I think with Bizot that he's got the experience. He's reliable. If anything happens to him, then it's a refreshing thing for a manager that there's no complications when he has to fill in.

51:02But yeah, I must say, I'm sorry to change with Suzuki. I'm really, really looking forward to it. What attributes does he have then that make him who he is or what he could become? Calm, quick, very, very quick, good with his feet. For me, when I watch him and I see some of the same, It makes saves look easy. It doesn't look complicated to him. He's not flash or anything. And I've been really impressed with him. I'm intrigued to see how the rest of this season goes and how he can... Of course, again, Premier League, it's new to him. It's not easy. It's tough. It's a tough position to hold when it's all new to you.

51:52but he's embraced it superbly. He's my favourite at the moment. Is he? He is, yeah. He's got the Mark Crossley Award for being the fave goalkeeper in the Premier League. He has, yeah, at the moment. I might be wrong, but I'm almost sure that I'll be right, that he'll be up there as one of the top keepers in the Premier League this season. Let's talk about Arsenal and Fleetwood Town because I think Fleetwood Town have already won the story of the Cup season so far. Well done to them. And I really hope those lads have had the 24 hours of their lives. They deserve it. I'm sure they will have done.

52:27It's close to Blackpool, isn't it? Yeah. Do you think they went straight out after them? Probably. I hope so. They've been struggling in the league as well. And there was something like 82, 83 places between the two teams. 84, I think, is the exact number. So it's a giant killing. I mean, it's not like Arsenal had a poor team out. Yeah. They had a strong team out. you know 20 odd attempts at goal Arsenal should have won that game but sometimes you just get those games where it's just not happening but also we should praise the resilience of Fleetwood Town they went ahead, Jokka Ress equalised but then they stood firm they did they defended their goal superbly well you always need your goalkeeper to play well in a game like that if the goalkeeper performs well and defensively you've got a tight unit, they look very organised and they got their just rewards in the end and it was so entertaining.

53:30It was brilliant to watch. It was edge of the seat, even if you don't support any of the teams, you sat on your edge of your seat watching, come on, save it, can you save it, can you save it? And it was a great save, to be fair. And their reward will be either Everton or Newcastle, so another... Well, brilliant for the minute. Yeah. Bradford as well, it's like, It's a great cup story is what we like to see. What was the biggest cup shock that you were involved in, either way? I was on the slippery slope as a player. No disrespect to Oldham Athletic, but I was knocking on. Right. And I was Oldham Athletic's goalkeeping coach, player coach.

54:07And we actually, Duncan won't thank me for this, but we went to Everton and we beat Everton 1-0 in the third round of the FA Cup. So that was a brilliant day for you. Yeah, it was. I can't remember. We lost the next game to a team lower than us as well. So, yeah, but it was just probably the biggest upset that I've been involved in on the winning side. Have I been on any? Let me ask you about that game then. Do you remember the feelings leading up to that game and what sort of the mentality was around it? Did you really believe you could go or was it because the shackles were off and you were like, well, we're not going to expect it to win anyway.

54:45so whatever, just go do you. The shackles were off. It was go and enjoy it. This is the third round of the FA Cup at Goodison. A lot of you are not going to experience this again. You know, you've got your formation. You're going to be under a lot of pressure. Can you get a goal from a set piece or on a counter-attack? And that's exactly what happened. I think a guy called Gary McDonald actually scored the winner. the goalkeeper curly haired fella tracksuit bottoms I should know but I don't anyway who was it I can't remember his name but he should have saved it as well he should have saved it and we held on I made a few saves they hit the post they hit the woodwork but we held on and it was honestly you go through your career you play at the top level but something like that happens late on in your career and they're the ones that you actually remember and I remember coming away and we didn't celebrate in Blackpool.

55:45I was going to say, where did you go? Did you hit our Blackpool? We celebrated, we booked hotels and we went back to Oldham that night and we had a couple of... You didn't go to bed that night, did you? We didn't go to bed that night, no, no, no. But we got a day off the next day anyway for beating Everton. So that was probably the biggest upset I've ever been involved in.

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58:15All right, joined in the studio by the chief overlap football correspondent, Mike Keegan. Good to see you. Let's talk Manchester United. I feel like this is turning into a soap opera. So what is the latest episode? Move over Coronation Street. There's a new one in Manchester. Honestly. I mean there is at this point in history with obviously the Man City charges there is literally only Manchester United that could knock City off the back pages they were like hold my beer yeah we've got this we didn't think we'd be here if I'm being honest we thought Michael Carrick was gone after the Bournemouth game he does his lap of honour at the end and everyone that I spoke to just thinks well it's done I think the feeling now at Carrington the noise he's coming out of there is that the players want the opportunity to turn this around and they've got that we'll see what happens at Chelsea but I think talking about why this has happened why he's still in a job I think there's a few different factors one is the cost as these things often come down to it's the financial side of it we know that things are tight as stupid as that sounds at Manchester United things are tight so they've got a way up you know for example if If you were to go for Eddie Howe, then it's been widely reported that Eddie Howe has a compensation clause in his deal with Newcastle, which is, I think, around£3 million.

59:34So there's that to take into consideration. Then there's a cost of getting rid of Michael, getting rid of his backroom staff, bringing in Eddie Howe's backroom staff. And I think also a lot of the execs at United were taken by the crowd reaction, which I thought was great on Sunday, where they applauded Michael off and then turned on the players. And there is an element of, you guys are better than this. I know that the belief at United is that this is a top six squad. Whether it's a squad to go and win the league or get into the latter stages of the Champions League, that's another matter. But it's not a squad that should be losing 3-0 at home to Bournemouth.

1:00:11So get yourself out there on Saturday and we'll see what happens. I think the timing as well is another factor. We've got Chelsea for United on Saturday. then there's Roma and Aston Villa and then it's an international break. So I think if you kind of give yourself to the international break it creates a lot more time to go and speak to potential candidates figure out what you're going to do next. So is that the general feeling they'll give him to the international break? Because it feels like every day at the minute we're living on tenterhooks waiting for it to flash up on your phone screen or you get a phone call to say the plug has been pulled on Carrick.

1:00:47Yeah, it is. they've basically said that we are going to give them a chance to turn this around however nobody's saying if they go to Chelsea on Saturday and get beat 5-0 I find it very hard to see a world where Michael Carrick takes them for the next game I think if they go to Chelsea and if they lose but if they put in a decent performance that shows that the players are behind the manager it's almost like something to cling to then perhaps he survives beyond that look I hope for his sake that he does turn it around because for me and for a lot of people there's a lot of things that have gone wrong at Manchester United and a lot of them aren't on the manager.

1:01:23Mark, can you imagine what it's like being a player there at the minute? I think the dressing room will be very tense. Players speak to each other. That's a fact in the dressing room. The thing I find most annoying in a way is that I hear that there's clear-the-air talks going on with Michael Carrick and his captain, Bruno, I think they should have a relationship anyway. So that relationship should be ongoing. Your captain should be in the dressing room and he should be the manager in that dressing room with the players. So it's a weight off the manager's mind. I think they should have a relationship anyway.

1:02:06Your captain's got to have a relationship with the manager right from day one. What was it like before this period of time, the relationship between Bruno and Michael Carrick? because last season, at the back end of last season, yeah, absolutely, and everything was going well and it was firing, so you would imagine their relationship was good. Yeah, and I think you look at, a lot of that is behind the current thinking. You look at them from January to the end of the season and I think the stat is that nobody got more points than Manchester United. So there's a lot of belief in the powers that be.

1:02:37You've done this once, like, I get it, there's Champions League football to contend with this season, but when you started the season, you didn't have the Champions League to contend with. You're not having to play FA Cup games. And the level of opposition wasn't, you know, it was quite a kind start for Manchester United. So I think there is a belief that these are good players who are underperforming. And Bruno would clearly be one of those. Get out there and fix this yourself. One thing we touched on in a couple of episodes have been the awareness that Manchester United have as a club as to what is going on at the minute.

1:03:09How much at board level with Wilcox, with Barada, with Vavale, how much do you think that they are aware that they potentially are part of the problem? It probably won't get said in public, but if you're Jason Wilcox, for example, and you're looking at your own track record, you will be very, very keen for Michael Carrick to turn this around because you were heavily involved in the recruitment of him. and what does that decision say about you as much as him if it doesn't work out. I know that there were calls on Monday at Carrington, Zoom calls with all the ASACs, Omar, Jim Ratcliffe, I think Joel and Avram Glazer were on the call as well.

1:03:53And it's kind of, a lot of this is on us as well as the manager. So how do we fix that? But also, as I said before, financially, how does it work out best for us? and if we give him another chance and he does turn this around, we look great as well as him. We know there's 100 million problems at Manchester United for knee-fixing but ultimately these players have got to go out there and they've got to play against Chelsea 12.30 on Saturday. How do they get themselves in a headspace to be able to do that? You said it, didn't you, about the nervousness and the tension. Yeah, the tension will be so high and it's a difficult period to get through and the only way you can get through it, sticking together, you do all your work on your training ground.

1:04:41I know it's an old cliche, but that's where you do your main work is on the training ground. I think there's a lot of encouragement that needs to be done between the players themselves. Make sure that it doesn't become a blame game. You're not doing this, no, you're not doing that. They're at a critical point now where it's got to be a group together, encouragement, encouraging each other. If people are making mistakes on the pitch, you've got to rally around those players and you wouldn't think we'd be talking about Manchester United like this but I think it showed the last game when they were trying to play out from the back and mistakes were being made and then the keeper comes rushing off his line it's just, you're trying to fix things that you can't fix and you do it on the training ground, you group together I really feel sorry for Michael Carrick I have to say this but it's such a big football club results are so so important and I for one am surprised.

1:05:34Is it a case that we get to the international period these next three games are probably the biggest in Michael Carrick's managerial career? And I think he picks his best 11. I think if you were to aim a criticism at Michael that wasn't his best 11 that he picked against Bournemouth and obviously I'm not in there. I don't know what's gone on between him and Bruno behind closed doors but if he comes out in public and says something like that I suppose if you're Michael, you've got to react to that. But that team that he picked against Bournemouth, Dallow left-back, mount in front of him, you're literally going out there and saying, these are the players that I trust, regardless of their ability, positional awareness.

1:06:13So there was nothing from that left-hand side. I saw the team sheet and I was like, as bizarre as it sounds, you're looking at that and thinking, you've got to give yourself a chance. And I think given that what we're being told is that there's been clearly air, that people are behind him, and we will soon see. We'll find out whether that's true at half past 12 on Saturday. I was going to say, do you think Bruno back in then this week? I'd be surprised if he wasn't. Same here. Yeah, I mean, I was one of them. You have to make a statement as a manager as well. It's a really, really difficult one.

1:06:42But because of the comments, there's got to be a statement made somehow and that statement was to leave Bruno out of the team, your best player and your captain. It was a big decision. Myself and Duncan spoke about it last week and Duncan was all for. If they're not with you, don't pick them. You know, it's a real, real tense situation. And I'm kind of with that old school mentality. If they're not with you and they don't want to be with you, don't pick them. But it is your best player. It's your captain. Would the game have been any different? I probably doubt it. But I would be surprised if he's not in the starting XI this weekend.

1:07:22Mike, have you ever seen anything like this? In terms of? Well, just where it's got to. The levels it's got to with this. Well, we keep seeing it at Manchester United, as bizarre as that sounds. You know, we're here again. We had it with Ten Hag, we had it with Amirim, now we've got it with Michael. At what point is it, you know, somebody above puts their hands up and says, actually, you know, it's not the manager, this is on me. I've not seen it, to be fair, where all the mood music and all the noise is that it's done. I don't think I've ever been in a football stadium where I've seen a manager literally do like a lap of honour at the end, almost waving to the fans for it to get to that point and for him to still be here.

1:08:04If you'd have asked 1 ,000 people after that game against Bournemouth, will Michael Carrick be in charge for the Chelsea game? 999 would have said no. And I'd like the one who said yes to buy me a lottery ticket. And on that note, we'll leave it there.

1:08:25Well, let's talk about a former club of yours Nottingham Forest look they're 18th in the table just the one win this season but that doesn't really tell the whole story with what's going on at Forest right now No no I've watched almost every game and they're playing some good stuff they're actually playing better than their league position is saying now formations have changed new manager again and all this hype about Glasner I can see I think he's a fantastic manager it will take time how much time I don't know formation is like more of a 3-4 2-1 or a 3-4-3 where when Forrest had the success in the league a couple of seasons ago Alanga Hudson-Odoi counter-attacking football Gibbs-White-Anderson so you know it is in transition new manager and it's refreshing to see that he's trying to change things and play the way he wants to play.

1:09:29Which he did a very good job at Palace and I'm sure he's going to be a success. The problem time here, though. Time. We haven't got time. This league waits for no man. No. We have a volatile chairman who gets impatient. He's put loads and loads of money into the football club. and the problem is at the moment it's so plain to see they haven't scored a goal at home all season what does that tell you? they can't find the back of the net and it is becoming a problem so whether the January window changes that I'm almost sure it has to we've got Chris Wood young Dilapu's come in paid a lot of money for him 50 million, a lot of money for Forrest for a young lad who was unproven and it's not quite working out at the moment for him Jesus is injured so it's a sticky part of the season I am a big believer that at the start of the season you must start well when Forest did well when they qualified for Europe they started the season really really well they went to Anfield, they won 1-0 the points were on the table so the team relaxed they played some lovely free flowing counter attacking football now the pressure's on already because they can't score at home and they're sitting in 18th in the league.

1:10:55It's not a great position to be in at the moment. How much time do you think he'll have? Or how much time would you like as a fan? I'm still a supporter of the football club. I spent 12 years there. I want to see them doing well. I think one thing for sure, we have to stop changing managers constantly. It's continuity. Now we've got the right man in place, which everybody thinks. Just let him develop the team and Forrester now an established Premier League team, which was a long time coming. We've got the right manager in Glasner, I believe anyway. The problem at the moment is going forward, scoring goals.

1:11:39I'm interested to see what happens in January. But I'm also interested to see how patient our chairman is going to be because he's an impatient guy. Forrest had Brentford at the weekend away at the GTEC. That's a hard place to go. They're a shining light of the season. Brentford as well for me. Who would have thought they'd be doing so well this season? There's that many teams now that are doing so well that you wouldn't expect to. And Bournemouth recently. So, yeah, it's a tough game for Forrest to go away to Brentford, especially when you're not scoring goals. We've got an exciting Premier League weekend, as always.

1:12:16We've touched on Chelsea Man United. big game probably for different reasons for both those sides but both really need a result there they do it's a it's a big big big pressure game that is for both managers for both teams for both sets of supporters I can't wait to see what happens I can't wait to see what the result's going to be I feel like there's a couple of games like that this weekend because you've got Liverpool Arsenal on Sunday already this point of the season you know it's so exciting so exciting as well that the the teams that came up are doing okay apart from Coventry they're struggling but who would have thought that I had them to go down with the record number of points Derby County I had 11 points I had them down for that I did yeah they're already on 10 but I think the exciting one for me is Man United Chelsea obviously for obvious reasons maybe not so much on the football front maybe more on what's happening with the managers but then obviously the big game on Sunday it's going to be an absolute cracker Do Arsenal have a slight problem with wingers though going into this game which is not what you want to happen as you're heading to Anfield because you've got Bakayo Saka out we need to wait for Mikel's pre-match press conference because he'll sort of give an indication Max Daman's now got a red card you've got Eze that can play out there but is more naturally number 10 they moved on Trossard They moved on Martinelli and you're suddenly going, well, hang on a minute, where are we going?

1:13:49It would have been Andy if one of those was still here. So, yeah, obviously a problem in the wide areas. It'll be interesting to see what happens there. It's amazing, isn't it? When you get bad news on injuries, it always tends to be in the same positions as well. So there's a problem in wide areas. I see Eze probably playing out there on the left. Who's going to go on the right? Remains to be seen. but I think Eze is more and more like it, isn't he? He likes to get involved, come inside as a number 10 and it's a big problem for Arsenal at the moment in wide areas. There's no doubt. We'll see what solution Mikel comes up with.

1:14:27I'm sure he'll come up with a good one. I agree. Man City, Brighton, second time they'll play each other in a week and I know it was a different keeper last night for City and Rulli but going back to Donnarumma, Big Dunk said last week, I'm going to read this quote so I get it right, looks like he's on the slide. That was interesting because I was on with Stevie on Monday and he was talking about Donnarumma's individual errors. He said he should have saved the PSG one, the goal. Two. Yes, correct. I think he should have done better with the first one as well. He got beat. He's near. I mean, since he bought some in for£26 million only in 2025, where do you think he's at right now?

1:15:06For me, prior to the mistakes in the last couple of games, the best goalkeeper in the world I said it because I'm a massive believer your main job is to stop the ball from going in the goal I think he's the best at that he's had a dodgy spell he'll be fine for me he's still the best goalkeeper in the world again he's going through a sticky patch he's let a couple of goals he'll know that he should have saved that first one he knows against PSG he should have done better with the one where he palms it and it spins over the line he'll know that he should have saved the goal at Villa. He knows. Will it affect him?

1:15:47Mentality. He's played in the top games in Europe and the world so he'll be fine. Yeah, class is permanent. He's not on the slippery slide. There's no way that he's on the slippery slide. You disagree with Big Dunk. You are a brave man. Well, Dunk's not sat here, is he? So I can say that. He's over in Ireland but it'll be interesting to what he says next week. No, no, no. Definitely not. He's top, top class for me. You've got Villa at home to Fulham, who Fulham started picking up results. Sunder Arbeloa now, I think we're a bit dicey at the beginning, but you're coming up against Nicholas Jackson with Unai Emery.

1:16:25That combination of the two of them just seems to be thriving. Perfect case of player finding the right manager, manager finding the right player. they know a little bit about each other from Villarreal the trust is there and for a player that's you know at Chelsea it just didn't go well at all did it but Uri Emery knows what ability he's got and he'll be telling him dating you're the man you're the man you're the man and he's thriving it's a perfect case to manage a player player-manager Yeah, do we think that actually Nicholas Jackson wouldn't be as successful if he was at United or Forest or somewhere else?

1:17:11Do you think it's because he's where he is? I think so, 100%. It seems that way. And I think when that happens, when you've got someone that believes in... We don't know what he's like, whether he suffers from confidence issues, if he's not playing well. But obviously there's a talent there, and we've seen it this season now, that he's a real talent, top player. but he's got the manager telling him that every single day in training on match days. You can just say, what a fantastic manager you are. You know, Uri Emery is. And he's found his striker. He's found his main line. Well, yeah, he had to replace Olly Watkins at that focal point.

1:17:49That's right. And that wasn't easy. That wasn't an easy, you know, easy boots to fill. But he's doing it right now. As far as Fulham are concerned, it's good to see one of my old clubs actually picking up because I really felt for them at the beginning of the season. Change of manager and players were moaning about the manager's tactics and the manager's training methods. It's not good to see when players are questioning the manager, but they've picked up. They have. They've got a really, really brilliant talent in young Josh King. Oh, he's great. What a player. He's got a great attitude as well.

1:18:24Oh, work ethic, fantastic as well. Shining light. Shining light, absolutely. Well, watch how he develops this season. Are you going to a game this weekend? I will be doing, but I'm not sure which one. TVC on that one. Yeah, to be arranged, hopefully somewhere close to home. I like to go and watch a few of the lower league games as well, to be honest. I was at Wrexham a few weeks ago watching Wrexham. They're not really lower league anymore. No, they're doing all right. They're a little bit of a, you know, plateau at the minute. So I went to watch them. Great. You know, being Welsh and all that with this accent.

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