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0:00Name some of the best players who've not been to a major tournament. Are we missing the obvious one? Go on. Ian, right? Bacon, sausage, tomato. I mean, baked beans you shouldn't have on a traditional English breakfast. I wouldn't have it without it. You shouldn't. The card schools that was with England, they owed that. At the end of it, there's people having to pay over 40 grand. I've got to hold you watch Love Island and you like it. Absolutely not. The Overlap on Tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile. So my wonder world... So what? I did that song on my head, no, Jamie. I'm not a fan of it. I'm not a fan of it.

0:34Are you comfortable driving abroad? I'm not a fan of Wonderwall. How can you not be a fan of Wonderwall? No, it's one of those songs that you overhear and it becomes almost like... I almost like some of the more obscure ones of theirs that you basically sort of... Because you've heard it too much. You're too much, yeah. It's a little bit like... I'm that now. I love Bruce Springsteen, but Dancing in the Dark is almost one that I don't really like that much because it's just so overheard and played. It's... I don't know. What's your Oasis song then that goes on the radio? I love Masterplan. I like Slideaway.

1:06Give us a blast, Masterplan. How does that go? All part of the Masterplan. These brother take a chance, you know you're going to go which way you want to go.

1:18What's that with that guitar you bought? Yeah, that's... That's gone up or down? No, because of the tour. I'm serious. Up, is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who told you that? I just think he will have done. Oh, so you're just guessing. I reckon it will be a sort after guitar Did you get that on an auction? No I sent it I gave it to Dave Gardner Noel Gallagher Yeah And obviously I loved the Waste at the time So I just said I was playing guitar And I got a Union Jack guitar For my birthday off someone So I basically said Can you get that signed? And anyway I sent it to him And he sent it back with that on it And I've just kept it to this day Is the message a little bit Too much Girls do you think?

1:53Well do you know something The more it's I think it's something that's fitting Of the time of what they were they were quite aggravated and sort of like yeah city fans were like you know a bit bitter and the oasis were a bit aggressive and obviously they were always he's never gonna stand back was it you know you're a great player i mean he's not gonna lie is he

2:18little little over here english people love going abroad and seeing the same things they see around yeah Yeah. You've got a Lidl. You see a dairy milk abroad, you mustn't have it. Oh, there's an Irish pub. Fucking karaoke. Irish breakfast. Oh, we can have a brekkie there. Do you ever have a fry-up? Have you ever eaten fry-up? Not that much, really. But when you do have it, isn't it beautiful? Yeah, yeah, I have fries. It's like a treat every few weeks. I mean, baked beans you shouldn't have on a traditional English breakfast. I wouldn't have anything without it. You shouldn't? No, I don't mind.

2:50No, but they shouldn't be on it. I like them, but they shouldn't be on it. It's not a traditional English breakfast, I don't think. I don't think. Rashers? Bacon? Rashers? Is that on there? Yeah, bacon's on there. Sausage. Bacon, sausage. Tomato? I think tomato. I don't like mushroom. Hash brown, probably. Hash brown. I don't like that. I don't like it. Is that on the Irish breakfast? So, guys, we're here in Turin filming the new series for the overlap on tour. Are we in conjunction with Sky Mobile? Is it conjunction? We can be, if you want. We can be. It's conjunction. Yeah, just say, yeah, we're in conjunction with them.

3:27In conjunction, or a combination, whatever works, with Sky Mobile. We've got a community question. What is it? Declan Rice and Jack Grealish played for the Republic of Ireland as juniors and played for England as seniors. Roy, we've got to go to you first. Could you have ever made that switch yourself? No, listen, I can't see it. Obviously, every situation is different. to be fair to Declan and Jack they were born and reared in England and but were you saying to me as well that even when you played with Anne you couldn't understand it when there was lads from London it was strange a bit yeah when you're playing for Ireland I start to get with the 21s and then you're getting a bit older and then the senior team yeah it was strange when you're meeting lads particularly underage under 21s and lads are coming off from London and playing for Ireland but obviously that was the rules and I think the important thing is when players commit to a country like Ireland particularly as they're getting a bit older that they're committed.

4:22I played with a lot of lads who were born in England. Would it be people like Jesse McIntyre, Andy Townsend, John Aldridge? But all these boys were committed to playing for Ireland, which is fine, which is the bottom line. But I think deep down, obviously, listen, Declan and Jack, I think they were always going to play for England. You always have that feeling when they get that opportunity, and that's fine. I always felt the players in the Liverpool squad who played for Ireland, probably a little bit before my time, but they enjoyed going away with Ireland more than I enjoyed going away with England maybe yeah it sounded like more fun yeah we did it was a bit it sounded like more fun in the early days it was with Jack and it helped them when the team were winning and when you qualify of course and you go through tough times and the quality's not there and yeah it's like anything else if you go away and you're playing and you're winning it's great isn't it did you enjoy playing for England righty or going away with England I loved it did you yeah I did yeah me and NC room together we just had a lot of fun it was a lot of fun you know I loved me you know I loved the games when we in training games and everything it was I loved it it was brilliant how many caps did you get again 37?

5:3233 what age did you get your first cap? what age? 27 I think I was there was some competition there wasn't there well that's the thing if you didn't take the chance I had two chances against Norway and I missed them both rushed the chances and I thought to myself you can't do I was thinking anyway. Were there great chances? Really good chances. 1v1s. Not 1v1s, but there was good enough time for me to take the strike. And I remember when the game fit, I thought, you can't miss chances like that. Because people are waiting. People are in the wings waiting. The next striker's ready to come in. Does that affect you, you think?

6:08Well, you kind of think that. And then when you go back to the Arsenal, you think, oh, Jesus. Am I going to get back in the squad? Because other people are coming now. I always used to look at the people who scored on their debut. You know what I mean? I think Lineker scored his debut. You'd look at the top guys, Owen, Shearer, probably Harry Kane scored on his debut. I'm not sure. But the macro down straight away, you're saying? You have to do that so as then you score on your debut so you know the next game you're going to be actually in the squad. Yeah. So you kind of feel a little bit like, Jesus Christ, I needed to score in that game.

6:39And I think that weighed on me. That weighed on me because I think I would have still been at Palace at the time. I'm sure I would have been. But like, you know, it was, for me, Jamie, it was brilliant. I loved it. I loved it. Playing for England. Right, we've got another community question in conjunction with Sky Mobile. It's a bit like Love Island, this. I've got a text. Yeah, there you go. You watch it. Yeah, kids watch it. I got told you watch Love Island and you like it. Absolutely not. All right, the community question is, name some of the best players who've not really been into a major tournament or set a tournament George Best George Best George Best is that the number one answer then Harland Harland's won isn't it he's got time doesn't he Wales Rush Giggs Giggs yeah Southall I think George Best Shevchenko I mean he went to a tournament but you're never going to he was the best striker in the world for a couple of years wasn't he oh you do well to beat George Best lads you know what it's still a nightmare Steve Bruce didn't even get in the squad bro did he play in a couple was there a B game did you ever play for the B game I played a B game I played a B game with Brian Robson.

7:45Was that weird? Is it weird in a B game? No, it was amazing because Brian Robson was playing in it with me. It was unbelievable. I don't know if he's coming back from India or what we was in Algeria. It was amazing playing with him. OK. Giggs. Giggs. I'd say Giggs. Mark Hughes. Yeah. Mark Hughes, yeah. Giggs, best. Heartland. Yeah. They're the three I can think of. But Heartland was weird. Well, you know when you think of it because you think about a star play maybe playing for a small country and they're not good enough to stay. haven't got good enough players. But when you think of the Wales team, Southall in goal, Ian Rush, Ratcliffe.

8:21They got close. Gareth Speed was there. Was it Mr... Name the player who missed the plan to... Paul Bowden. Yeah, against Romania. Was it Romania's? Oh, yeah. Romania. I remember watching it. Crossbar. Are we missing the obvious one? Go on. Where did you go to? Did you go to a championship? No, I didn't. Fucking Ian Wright. What one should you have gone to, right? Should have definitely went to 92 and 96. There you go. I should have went to 92. I couldn't do any more. 96 was up. I thought I was going to be there. Politics. Coming off the bench. Whatever it was, you know what I mean? Your face didn't fit.

8:51Your face didn't fit. Who knows? Who knows? You would have gone to a 98 buffering. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you were playing. I probably would have went to 94 if we qualified. We didn't even bloody qualify for America. Oh, we did 94. No, I was quite pleased. I was watching you guys. Do you know what? Right, he's probably... I think they would have talked with the note. If he wasn't playing, he wouldn't have been a good lad around. Not a good tourist. Yeah, yeah, he wouldn't be good. No, no, no, he was a great tourist. The bomb squad, he wouldn't be good. No, man, I was a great tourist. He'd be fighting with the coaches the next morning.

9:17Do you know the lads are doing a recovery? No. And the manager would go, what about the lads? Like, right, he was a nightmare. He was laughing at Glenn Taylor, wasn't he, when he was doing a team? I wasn't. Tony Corp made me laugh. But, like, Glenn Taylor was really good. Every time I trained, I felt like it had to be... Were you on time for training with England, or was I just asked? All the time. I loved it. I loved the training. It was, like, brilliant. Everybody was so good. When I first got in, it was Barnsley, Waddle, Robson was in there, Beardsley, the good man. He's a good player. Jesus Christ.

9:51He's a good player. I'm not in the squad when you got in. Who? Sharpie. Sharpie came into the squad. Sharpie came into the squad when we were there. That's why I called him Wonder Kid. He was amazing. That was an intimidating squad to go into. Exactly. There was no bullying going on there, was there? It was card schools are better. I think card schools are devastating in a football or a team environment. Not if you're winning. Not if you're 100 grand up after two days. Was you in the squad when, I don't know if he was in there, when Graham Taylor had to stop it all? I got involved in two card schools in my life, one with England and one with United.

10:27One with United on a pre-season tour that you were in, Roy, with Teddy Sheringham, Butsy, Giggsie, Scolsey. A lot of money involved. Was it a lot of money involved? Was it a lot of money? I was going to sleep thinking of the fucking Jack of Spades. I couldn't sleep. Did you got money? It wasn't big money with United No but it was a few thousand It was like You're rather in your own pocket Yeah it wasn't for me And then the other thing was What was the game? At heart Not heart serve Three card brag Three card brag yeah And then with England It was with It was a hard one with England Dennis Wise Pally Teddy Me And I can't remember who else And that was like They were at it Teddy was like And Dennis Wise They were at it You know what I mean He's like proper game no what was it was you have to go in first it wasn't necessarily the money side of things it was just more the fact that they played for hours and then you couldn't get out once you're in with them oh you're up you're playing all the time no no I want to go to bed no we're not finished yet no the best one ever one more pathetic one more one more hand yeah and basically you played for another two hours the card schools that was it with England they owed at the end of it it's people having to pay over 40 grand and I'm not yeah I'm not going to name the lads there were lads at the back of the bus in one of the things that I was on, and they used to have a 52-card pack, obviously, and it was basically whoever got the highest card, and it was like£100 per turn.

11:47So you literally just do that, £100,£200,£300,£200, literally like that. Is that... What game is that? You were literally turning the cards between the two of them. You might do that just for a... Literally. But you wouldn't do that for hours on it. The 26th card, do you just do that? It must be Michael. 15 minutes from the training round, back to the... Yeah, you don't play that for hours. That's addiction. That's crazy. It was bad, it was bad. That's crazy, that is. Do you know what we used to do? Jamie Yarn, but we used to go out with Ireland. We used to have the best nights out, honestly. I'll do so.

12:21When you look back... You're better off doing that... You can always say something... Than gambling. Yeah, you might say something. We were decent pros back in the day, but honestly... We used to go out with Ireland. But, Roy, you're better off doing that than cards, I think. You think so? And Playstations. Honestly, you're better off going out for a few drinks together. No, I'm about getting really drunk. Not a few drinks. Yeah.

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12:58I think I need to relax and chill out a little bit. You think, Al? I think I need to see things from a different perspective. Gary, would you like to be as relaxed as me? People have this thing about you, obviously, don't they, about you being so intense, but you actually are quite chilled when it comes to it and quite sort of calming. Look at you. You can't act like you're chilled. Look at that. Yeah. In fact, look at our body language. I know. I know. Look at his legs. When he's tapping. Do you know that? That's a bad one. I do that all the time. Why is it bad? Well, I think it just means that you're on edge.

13:31You're not relaxed, are you? I went to a restaurant and I'm like, my legs just like... Do you know what a guy said to me once? When the bill's coming, you're me. Do you know what a guy said to me once about relaxing? It's really true, right? He said it's all about your belly, right? So think about your belly now. Let your belly just go out. And the difference it makes to your whole system is unbelievable. No, yeah, it's nice to get all these tips. Remember, you are what you are as well. Maybe you are meant to be a little bit uptight, so it gives you a bit more... I don't know. You can be somebody you're not.

13:55Do you know, a lot of people said to me, meditation is absolutely amazing if you can get into it. I used to do hot yoga and at the end, he'd say just lie on your back for a minute and like not think about nothing yeah I couldn't do it your mind goes to something doesn't it yeah the only thing I might switch off completely my brain goes if I go and visit a family someone's grave oh yeah that's true if I pay my respects to somebody my brain nothing is in my thoughts yeah when I go and see my dad to be fair that's true that I sit there and calmly right oh we're filming it this is content leave this in leave it in We have started.

14:33I told you, press me call. We never, we never finished. You're talking about relaxing. Let your belly out. He has. No, you're on, Jack. We put our swimming shorts on and swim to shore. That'd be lovely. How are we doing then, guys? It's seriously, can we? I'm not going to do a quick feat. Do you film? Yeah. Oh, no. He's weird. Why couldn't I go in the morning? That would have been brilliant in the morning. You'd have got in there. It was only working on defence. That's all we've done to the point where I was like, what's up? I've got an ice bath at home. Oh, that's a waste of time. Were you having ice baths the last two, three years of your career?

15:12Yeah, I was, yeah. But you were finished.

15:16The Overlap on Tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile. Right, we're in Istanbul. We're on the Bosphorus, aren't we? We're on the Bosphorus, yeah. We're on the Bosphorus. filming the new series of The Overlap in conjunction with Sky Mobile. And we're going to talk about derby games, specifically the North London derby, Ian. Biggest game for you every season, without doubt. Even though Arsenal are probably competing with Man City right now, is that still the biggest game? North London derby? Yeah, I think so. You see how City and United are. You've got United and Liverpool seems to be a bigger derby.

15:51But with Arsenal and Tottenham, it's never, ever going to be any different. You're never going to lose the intensity, whatever Arsenal are doing, whatever Tottenham are doing. You're never going to lose the intensity of what it means to the fans. What's your relationship with the Tottenham fans? Now it's pretty good. It's pretty good now because obviously I can't hurt them no more. But I used to hurt them and it used to pleasure me. I liked scoring at White Hart Lane. It felt better. I didn't want to lose at Highbury in the derby. But at White Hart Lane, it just felt better. It's a good stadium, White Hart Lane.

16:25Brilliant stadium. Brilliant stadium. You know, but like now, you talk about the relationship. Tottenham fans are fine with me now. Perfect and fine with me now. Because I knew that when I was doing it, I... How many did you score in the Derby rating? Six out of... Six in 12. I'm fine, right, Steve? When I was a kid growing up, Tottenham were like the glamour team. So I'm talking like the early 80s. Tottenham were a couple of FA Cups, UEFA Cup. Yeah. They went for the league with Eben, I think, in 85. And Arsenal were a good team. But now Arsenal seem on like a... I'm not talking about just right now, just like Premier League time, like a completely different level to Tottenham.

16:59The players probably just before your time speak about a game. I think it was 1987, a League Cup semi-final, where they were both sort of fighting each other really close. And then George Graham took that team on and just left Tottenham behind. Was that pivotal to sort of where Arsenal are today? George Graham came in and took Arsenal to the next level in respects of getting rid of those older players and then bringing in Tony, David Roecastle, Merson, Martin Hayes, buying Steve Bould, Lee Dixon, you know, those kind of players, you know, someone like Perry Gross from Colchester, you know what I mean, and bringing in that team and changing the whole ethos of the team and then bringing in that winning mentality, what Paul Merson always talks about.

17:38And, like, because George Graham was such a... He was so strict on getting things right, the players being professional, doing everything, and he wanted to get rid of those older players like Kenny Sands and Viv Anderson and all those guys. And, you know, it worked with him because, look, 89, two years later, they won the league. Unbelievable, that team were. Was he a good coach, or was it more personality? No, no, no, he was out there. Oh, George? George. No, he was out there. Yeah. He was out there doing it all the time. The thing is, to the point where, when I first went there, because when you watch Arsenal, especially Murs and Rodgers, it was very flamboyant, there was flair in that.

18:13When you went there, it was only working on defence. Only working on defence. Everything was working on where you want to be when you haven't got the ball, where you've got to force their players down the line. That's all we've done to the point where I was like, what the fuck's this? But you know what I'm saying? You talk about defensive work. And I felt I was really well blessed in my early days to understand back four from Steve Bruce, Eric Harrison, but I think Tony Adams is the player that I played with who understood back four more than anyone else I ever played with, as in the position.

18:43He was unbelievable. For two or three years with England with me, he was literally putting every single player in the back four exactly where he wanted the sort of distances and I always remember once I let him down in a game it was the 2000 European Championships played against Portugal went 2-0 up and there was a ball that got played over his head and I'd played with Tony for four years and he was my right centre back and your distance is just a bit too far out and the lad got in there and the goal went in and he looked at me with that little disappointment have you ever said anything to me and I thought oh fucking hell I knew you know what I mean it's like that little yard you were a yard out and he was absolutely new He knew exactly where he should be.

19:22He was unbelievable, Tony. He was understanding his position and everyone else's position around him. I tell you what it also was, by the way, he'd get the back four up. He wasn't the quickest, but he'd charge us out of the box. He'd literally sprint out of the box and run up, and we'd have to get up with him. He worked us hard. He was an old-fashioned defender, wasn't he? Brilliant. Brilliant as an half. I thought what he was bringing Italian players, pride in that defending. Real pride, clean sheets, an obsession with it. I might be wrong, I didn't watch every game in the late tonight they were zonal on corners no no no they weren't and it was completely foreign to me when I went to play with England that they were zonal because Tony insisted we don't know that we were zonal at that period and zonal wasn't really a thing then he used the man mark quite a bit I might be wrong but it felt like they were one of the first teams to go zonal on corners I mean there might have been teams before that but he just won a stand in the middle of the six yard box he was no word of a lie he would stand there in the middle of the six yard box and he'd pull his shorts He plays shorts up like that.

20:20And he's literally looking at everybody who's got the mat. And he'd literally be like this. And he's honestly unbelievable. You know what else is wrong? His movement in the opposing box, even in training. Honestly, his movement for opposing corners was brilliant. He was brilliant in the other box. You see him going up. You see defenders, people like John Terry, Bruce. You know, defenders go up now for corners. They're going up. It's almost a tall congestion. Yes. But they were going up going, I'm heading this. I'm going to try and get my head on this. I think there's a few that do it now. I think Romero does it at top.

20:47I'm not saying he's brilliant. I think he comes up. Yeah, Jonathan. I think the guy... Harry Maguire. No, Tarkovsky. At Everton. It's unbelievable. The Chelsea guy that's just left. Thiago Silva. Thiago Silva. Unbelievable. He's only six foot, just under six foot. The timing, I used to read it really good, yeah. I do like Harry Maguire as someone when he goes up. Yeah, yeah, Harry reads it. I mean, Harry as well. Who's the centre-half, then, in the last 30 years that's been the best in the attacking box? I think John Terry. I'd say John Terry. John Terry, yeah. I'd say John Terry. He did. He used to time well.

21:16Again, he went up with purpose. He wanted to get his head in there. I give him that. His timing was really good. And obviously, I remember back in the day, when you played for a powerful team, a lot of set pieces. It's going to get a lot of opportunities. Yeah. Can we put our swimming shorts on and swim to shore? I'd be lovely. Can we keep our mics on, dive in there, go under the horse and still have to carry on this conversation? No, we should. Can we swim to shore? No. No, I don't think you should go. No, just leave it. You go first. Is it safe? Yeah. You go first, Nev. Too many boats. Health and safety.

21:53We'll keep rolling. Great content. Yeah, you keep rolling. No, do you say that the freshwater swimming is meant to be... I mean, I've done it a couple of times. Yeah. It's meant to be amazing for you. Yeah. You know all these things that people say amazing for you? Do you actually do them? No, but to be fair, I've got an ice bath at home. I have. Do you use it? I go in it, yeah. I go in it. Do you go up to there or the legs? No. Do you go to the legs? Yeah, legs, yeah. Six minutes. Six minutes, Lex. What temperature? I think it's about five degrees. Cold, really cold. I think mine is. You get through that first minute, that five degrees it is, yeah?

22:25Well, that's a waste of time. No. I'm telling you, lads. I've got ice baths. It is a way, I looked into it. I've done my homework on it. Ice baths, the new garlic bread. He's now rubbish in ice baths. I'm telling you, it's a waste of time. The new garlic bread. I swear, everyone gets an ice bath. It's a new thing, trust me. Do you know something, bro? Leave it. So obviously when... You must have had ice baths when you played, no? Yeah, when we had to cry a bit out of the house. We were brutal with the lads. Basically, the contrast baths and the ice baths and the recovery. If you didn't get in after a game, lads, and we had a game, say, on Saturday and we were playing Wednesday night, that would not be deemed like you'd get in.

23:03We all do it together, you know what I mean? It was a waste of time. Why is it a waste of time? It just was. It's not in the car. We're talking about minor details. The minor details just stack up. How can you say so confidently there's no benefits? I've done my homework on it. I do my homework. I don't just throw comments out there like a lot of people. Tell us why it's not beneficial. I'll tell you after. Can we have someone medical on there? Stick to football or the overlap, please, to prove whether ice baths are beneficial to people. It's brilliant. It's fine, Gary. It makes you feel... I feel better.

23:32I've got ice baths as well. You feel great. You feel great. Did you have them at Palace? Did you have them before the Cup? Did it affect you back then? I'm not talking about... Roy, what about Bruce? I didn't have it then. I had it now. I see you walking. Right, what about Brucey? Brucey, before a game, 45 minutes before a game, hot bath. John Barnes? I used to have a lukewarm bath. I was a fancy. Brucey's in the bath, literally lying there, hot bath before a game. That just makes you feel like... Were you having ice baths the last two or three years of your career? Yeah, it was, yeah. But you were finished.

24:04What benefit was it? People were running past you. I'll have an ice bath. Oh, well. Anyone want to put some ice bath sponsorship around this... the unison warm-up. That's why I used my warm-up and then all of a sudden George Graham started, right, we all have to run out and do the warm-up together. It's the worst thing that ever happened to me. Incy would never come out for a warm-up. Yeah, Incy was doing a warm-up. Incy wouldn't come out for a warm-up. Corley didn't. Corley didn't. I think Corley started. But he started a career without him and then... Yeah, Incy never came out. Incy never came out for a warm-up.

24:34Hey, honestly. Too much stuff. Incy was just chilling and relaxing. Hey, what's up front of you? I'm out there doing quick feet being still. Yeah, he's weird. Why couldn't I go in the water? That would have been brilliant in the water. He'd have got in there. Could you imagine his phone in the water? Could you imagine what he'd do? Would he dive in after him? He'd dive in after him. The Overlap on Tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile. The network that lets you roll your data and keep it longer than anyone else. For more information, visit sky.com. Forward slash shop, forward slash mobile. and I'd like to do a rally thing or drive a proper car.

25:15Would you like to do that, lads? Around the track? We're not... We're not filming, as in, like... I know we're filming, but... So we can only chat when we're filming? OK, I thought we'd have a chat as friends. Jesus, sorry, I apologise. Jesus. Camera action. Let's pretend we like each other. Sick.

25:41I know, sometimes it's nice to have peace, sometimes it's nice to have just a bit of tranquility. Agreed.

25:50It's just number six, very easy on his face, and I went, see you in there, that's him. Anyone backing my money one? So Solve will get a few extra quid, is it? I think we're bringing a challenge in. I don't know if the pundits could make a challenge. Hey, Carragher's made a challenge, is he? Hang on a minute, I'm just hearing that Carragher's made a challenge, yes. The Overlap on Tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile.

26:18Lads, so we're in Rome filming for the Overlap on Tour in association with Sky Mobile, and the community question has come in, and it is the best British player to play in Italy and your favourite Italian player. So my best British, I think I'd probably go with Incy. You know what, I'd probably go with David Platt. Platt, he was here in Ohio, wasn't he? Platt, he went from Bari to Sampdoria to Juventus. Yeah, he went to Juventus, didn't he? I'm going to go for, I think the best British player to play in Italy was, not that I ever saw him play, was John Charles. That's what people say. And the best Italian player for me, I am going to always go with, Franco Beresi.

27:00Franco. The best centre-back. did you meet him Jamie no yeah brilliant story I was there I took my son to the Milan derby so we've talked about derbies before so we actually went through AC Milan to get tickets and honestly looked after us brilliant these tickets and it was it was AC Milan but at home if you know what I mean in the San Siro so I've sat down Franco Beresi sits next to me and my son and I'm like oh my god this is my hero I'm trying to explain to James who he is so the next thing you know behind the goals in Italy they almost drop the flag from the top don't they and it just fills the whole stand and it was just number six Beresi on his face and I went well do you know how famous think of like AC Milan being going 100 years see in there that's him so that's who you're sitting next next to and the best bit of the story was because he got tickets off they got lounge tickets but it wasn't like with the players it was like this this room behind the benches that you could look out onto the pitch and you were quite low level and so at the end of the game all kids are on the pitch so I'm saying to James so there's like security there so I went and sat on the bench and when the security turned I went go so we just ran onto the pitch so I've got all videos and I'll show you them in a bit he's like just taking penalties on the San Siro it ends up being Berlusconi's grandkids they all just ran on the pitch at the end it must go on every game yeah so there's all we've got all the heads and volleys on the San Siro pitch as you do I'll go Gaza absolutely unbelievable my favourite Italian player I'm going to go for Maldini the first player that jumps off my mind when you're talking about Italian but Baggio but the respect for Maldini and Beresi obviously they were brilliant three things that you'd change in football that would make it 100 % better forever players stop kicking the ball out when someone goes down it fucking pisses me off it fucking whys me off I'm not sure that's I'm not sure that's the main game don't kick it out don't make it a lot better the game's stopping all the time People are just bluffing injuries, there's nothing wrong with them.

29:01Stops the game, get up. This thing that we're like, oh, we really feel for our mate on the opposition team. He's down holding his ankle. Just get on with the fucking game. Bigger goals? No. What? Bigger goals? No. No. Why? No, not bigger goals. Get rid of extra time. In tournaments? Yeah. Any time, I just don't... Do you know something? I'll go all that radical. I also got the end of league games penalties for an extra point so you get two points there you go what about that make it exciting every game for a fan that comes your kid goes for a game first time might be the only game of the season sees a 0-0 draw or a 1-1 there's a winner at the elitist penalties you know what I mean kids love penalties my kids my girls he used to do that in America didn't he yeah my girls love penalties very Americanised yeah I'm not sure it works actually if I would I would definitely change distribution from Premier League down to Championship, to League One, to League Two and to...

30:00Money. Yeah, I'd make it just more... So basically the steps are just equal all the way down so there's always that idea that every team can come up and every team can go down without having this sort of massive disparity between Championship and Premier League. It's huge, isn't it? It's massive. It's getting bigger. Why don't they do it where, like in tennis, only the manager can say, call a VAR? Yeah, I'd go with that. And you get three goals at him. Like cricket? No, like tennis. Like tennis, you get three goals at saying, like, have a look at the line, judge. You know American football, as you throw a red flag and you can question a major decision, then review and look at it.

30:39And how many times can you throw the red flag? If you get it, you get it right. You keep it. It's like cricket. And instead of us going to VAR, you might be able to do it three times instead of worrying. Yeah, one time a half, right? What about that? Yeah, yeah. So then what happens is, is that then we go back to, if a goal's scored, well, he's already had his challenge. It's done. Yeah, obviously. And we're not talking about blatantly offside. We're talking about them silly ones and really tight, what people say things like, well, it's offside, so it doesn't make no difference. You can only challenge that once.

31:10Then everything else is the referee's decision. But with the automated offsides now, I think them can just be, they can stay in like goal line technology. It's the actual penalties and red cards that I think can be challenged because they're the subjective ones. Offside's not subjective now with the automated stuff. Yeah, but I don't even like the automated. I don't mind that. It's still very... It's still, like, my knee here to carry... Yeah, we've lost level. In the past, that'd be level. Yeah, that's the thing, Gal. That's the only thing. And, like, people say, oh, shut up, will you? It's offside's offside.

31:37But I'm talking about when it's that close and you've got an automated system to come in to show where it's sliced through a little bit of the knee, but these ain't showing. No, but there is a... You should only have one chance at one of those. Yeah, but the defenders hold a line, right, to play off someone offside, and they work on that all week as a skill to be in line with each other. I'm not saying that's every offside, but they do. And then if you're that much offside or if you're that much offside, you're offside. Yeah, but the defenders are working to get your... But it's a skill to keep your line high.

32:07It's a skill to stay onside as well. I know. My point is, though, don't harm defenders for what would be automated offside. I think automated offside and goal line can stay because it's accurate and it's consistent. Anyway, I think we're bringing a challenge in each half and we'll decide what actually it's on at a later date. What if the pundits could make a challenge?

32:29Can you imagine that on, what is it, Co-Camp? What will you do? And Carragher's made a challenge, is he? Hang on a minute, I'm just hearing that Carragher's made a challenge, yes. Challenge? I like the challenge. Anyone backing my money want? No. That's unsolved, I'll get a few extra quid, is it? No. Now, there has to be a way to try and level it up. They look so inadequate when they go. Look what Leicester had to do to stay in that league. Look what they've had to do. Burnley, Luton, Sheffield United last season just went down. Look what the episodes have spent. What if the episodes have gone back down?

33:02It'd be bad for the league if the three promoters have gone down. It's getting that way, isn't it? So anyway, are we going for the money one then? Because we're a bit worried about that. We'll probably have to go for the money. Money, challenge on VAR, one more. Challenge on VAR. You're dismissing my attendance. Getting rid of extra time. Extra time and penalties. No, keep penalties. Keep penalties Keep penalties But for league games or not No Don't be so stupid We have 10 minutes each way Extra time instead of 15 What difference is it? I must admit I don't like extra time anymore I just think when you're playing it You're thinking Oh it's like penalties You just don't want to lose it Everyone's knackered It's helped the Carabao Cup I know that a lot In the early stages It's going straight through It's exciting And people say Oh it gives them an extra 30 Well you know what 30 minutes to go in the 90 Well you know you've fucking You've got 30 minutes to go I've got to get a goal I can go for it.

33:50Another thing I'm going to say, you can only make substitutions at certain points in the second half. I know that problem around if someone's injured, but you know what I mean? It just annoys me that substitutions... So it's the T to float the game. What, the second half in that go? What? What, for the second half? Yeah, it's just like ten minutes to go, and all of a sudden you've got, oh, he's making a sub, and then another T's making, so it's like four different... It's supposed to be chasing it. Oh, Jesus Christ, look at him. I'm going to change that idea. Go on then. Right, let the fourth official manage the substitution so that the game doesn't have to stop and they can just run on and off.

34:23So basically, Erdogan's coming on for Trossard. The fourth official's there. He basically shouts on to Trossard or get a message to Trossard, you're off, and Trossard comes off. How's Trossard going to get that message? What? He just shouts it off, shouts it to him, suppose Trossard or nobody else's side. If you put the board up while the game's... You wouldn't look at the bench, would you? Never look at the bench. You'd act like you can't see him. What I'm saying is you roll in subs so that basically you just go on and the game doesn't have to stop and then there's no benefit of actually... So can the stadium announce and say, trossard off, such and such on?

34:55The first official can log it, speak to the official in the middle of the pitch and say, look, get a message. So like when an injured player comes back on? Yeah, a bit like that. So it doesn't have to stop the game for like a minute and a half, two minutes. The smart substitution blockage annoys me. I don't mind that one. You like that one? You like the roller? There you go, he likes the roller, he subs one. There you go. I just, it just, anything that just... Keeps the game moving. Keeps the game going. The Overlap on Tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile. The network that lets you roll your data and keep it longer than anyone else.

35:28For more information, visit sky.com forward slash shop forward slash mobile. I feel like going in now. You feel like going in, Roy? Yeah, I like the look of that. That would have been lovely to go in there. I'm just having a nice little breaststroke over there and back. Have you got any towels?

35:51Is the treble the greatest achievement in British football? I thought what Nottingham Forest did. Won the league and then won two European Cups. That's amazing, that's crazy. That mad week in terms of winning the last game, you're down at the sport, the FA Cup. I think that adds to that story. My worst season for United was the season after the treble. I wonder whether just the actual pinnacle of reaching it was like and then all of a sudden you just naturally go... The overlap on tour is brought to you by Sky Mobile.

36:201986, the dark days of Man United, Ron Atkinson. So basically, Ron Atkinson was manager, then he was sacked in November or whenever it was, October, November, and the boss came in. The change in the youth set-up straight away was unbelievable. There was a guy called Ray Woods running it. He was a good guy, Ray. But all of a sudden, the season after, that's when Kiddo came in, Nobby Styles came in, Archie, the boss, and Eric Harrison used to come down to the training sessions, and they were down there every Monday and Thursday night most weeks yeah most weeks because down there was like the 12s to 15s or 16s and the emphasis on it and the time they put into it around that time with Les Kershaw and Brian Kidd it was unbelievable honestly and you think about that obviously it was probably going around we've got a few here we've got to go but right that's 86 and then they have this thing that they've got to get every best kid in Manchester so they went and got gigs of your life within a few years they went and got Butty and Scholes from Blackpool they went and got my brother from I think my brother was at Blackpool I was already there they went and got kids just went and got the best kids You think about 99, and then you're getting the best players in the country, like Roy, and getting, you know, Yap Stam, some of the best players.

37:24You assemble a team. Everything has to go right to get that to happen, and the way in which it did. You know what I mean? Because it had never been done before, obviously, the treble. It was a lot of work to go into that, and a lot of things have to fall into place. Schmeichel, Dennis, you think about the recruitment of players. Dennis is£700 ,000 or£800 ,000 from Oldham. I remember it. Seriously, Danny Serving's the best full-back you'll ever see. I mean, it's£700 ,000. Yeah. It's just a lot of things. There's a lot of things. So it felt like it wasn't just that team. It felt like this was like a...

38:00You know what I'd say? I'd say that almost like a journey to get there for a long time. I always remember an interview I've seen with George Best about when they won the European Cup in 1968 and it probably goes back to Munich. and it was almost like this journey to sort of... Well, Samat Busby rebuilt the team after 58, didn't he? And I just think you look at it and think, it felt like a peak moment in what Manchester United... Winning games, having the best of British players, the best of players from around Europe, the best of homegrown players, winning games in the last minute, exciting. It just felt like the perfect, like, I don't know, moment really.

38:40I don't think it can ever... I'm not sure it can ever get as good for Man United. That's a strange thing. I don't know what you mean, yeah. Do you know what I mean? You think about sort of like the 1968 or like, I just don't know how much you can ever get as good as that. That's like a pinnacle of a club's moment, you know what I mean? Maybe I'm being a bit... I mean, how can you do better than win the treble? The way you, you know, the way you want to... I was well doing about the treble. You see like City doing the treble and you're just talking about where you've built that team from and everything that comes with that team, the coolest of that team, and, like, the scold yourself and Bex and Giggs, and then you bring, like, before, obviously, you're bringing Roy in that, and you've done the treble in how you've done it, and you've done it in a way where it's like you literally had to...

39:22You pulled it out of the teeth sometimes, with the fire. And then you see City coming and they do the treble. How does it make you feel when they've done the treble? It didn't impact me at all in terms of feeling like, sort of like, oh, they've done what, you know, we did in 99. I don't think... Did you feel it? I didn't feel anything like that, Roy. I'm not sure you would begrudge it. What? No. Yeah, no, I thought... You think it's still an amazing achievement? Yeah, amazing achievement. Oh, amazing achievement, yeah. Yeah, you can't begrudge the teams that are going off and doing well. No, of course not.

39:49I think... Georgie's more famous. I say famous, not just because you were first. I think what you're talking about, the local lads, the emotion, the history of the club. The way we did it is more dramatic. City just feels like a bit like... I don't know. I don't want to feel negative towards it, but they've got the capability of building that with the money they've got. When you talk about who's come through, excuse me United to get to the place in 99 where you can finally win something of that stature the story's amazing but I don't because we're talking about we're talking about from 86 then I don't look at our treble achievement as being more sort of significant than the city's in terms of achievement I do think it's a better story and more dramatic yeah because the games were more dramatic I mean the games we had that season but this is what I'm talking about yeah so the story and the drama was greater yeah But the achievement is equal, I think, I would say.

40:40I wouldn't... You want to see what you said earlier, the bit that used to worry me at the time when you were saying after the game and players would do interviews at United going, you know, you'll never again reach them heights. And that used to irritate me a little bit. Deep down you know, but you don't want to be saying it because you've got... Obviously the whole point of playing sport or playing for United is you want to get back to that. However you do it, I'm trying to win two or three trophies in one season. So I used to get frustrated with that a little bit when I heard the noises. You know when you speak about maybe players coming out and saying it's the pinnacle, it can never get better.

41:13I always think that probably the one thing United have never done that probably all the other big teams in Europe have done is have a domination of Europe for two or three years of winning it. Do you think that had something to do with it? Or the thought of it can't get any better than this? Maybe there's an element. Or you need a bit of luck? You certainly need a bit of luck. There's an element to that. But we know how hard it is to dominate. Obviously, that word is to dominate Europe. Maybe the team wasn't quite strong enough to dominate in Europe. But yeah, certainly to get back to one or two more finals for that team.

41:49I know it took a number of years to get back. And of course, it's not easy. But that was always a concern of mine, even with leagues. You'd think people might switch off or relax. But when players are coming out and saying it, I'd be like, surely you want to get back there? You did that famous interview, obviously, after the Bayern Munich game. I think it was 2001, where you basically said, maybe it's the end of this team, maybe this team feels like something along those lines Why do you say that? Sometimes I would come out and say remember we were well clear of the league at that time but sometimes part of my mindset would be just trying to keep people on their toes just trying to hand grenades in the wrong dressing saying listen let's not relax here it's simple and as innocent as that really I've never thought of it you know but I actually thought of it the other day when I was doing something that my worst season for United was the season after the treble that's when I lost my confidence I had the nightmare in Euro 2000 with Kevin Keegan and it took me a season to get over it I wonder whether just the actual sort of pinnacle of reaching it was like and then all of a sudden you just naturally go yeah of course and you breathe and you just go and the thing is it was so hard for us to win the Champions League that I think the year after against Real Madrid we just thought that we wouldn't have to work as hard to beat them again and it wasn't a great Real Madrid team it wasn't the greatest Real Madrid team you know what I mean they were struggling in their league at the time I think it was the one with Steve McManaman in and Redondo and people like that.

43:04Yeah, but they battered us. I know, but how many times can you say that about a Real Madrid team over the years? I know, I know. They're not that great, they're struggling. And they battered us in the Champions League. But Roy, they battered us. You played the game when Redondo played him. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't have tear on the head and bail down in the bottom there. They battered us, honestly. And it's like, I don't think we applied the same detail and attention. I can get over that game. I can get over the Real Madrid game. There's certain games you can get over, but there was other games. We've all done their first.

43:29There was games in Europe we left. We left slip away. You mentioned Leverkusen. Leverkusen. I'm not saying these teams weren't good. We just felt you were the better of them. Porto game, injury time, you know, late in the game. Is that Mourinho running down the line? Of course, you could do that with lots of games, obviously. I'm sure Bayern Munich players can sit around talking about 99. They let that one go. Remember, we've had conversations with all the teams who've bottled it. Sometimes a decision goes your way. Is the treble the greatest achievement in British football or not? The 99 one.

43:58Yeah, but if you start making a point out of was, then you're just being biased, didn't you? No, I'm not. I'm asking the question. I'm not interested, to be honest with you. I've never asked the question before. I'm asking it for the purpose of, like, probably more carer and writing. Probably what you said before about, you know, City have done it, haven't they? And other teams have done it in Europe, I suppose. But you're talking about British football. I mean, you could probably look at probably Nottingham. If you're looking at one season, you look at what Nottingham Forest did. Yeah, yeah. Where they came up, won the league, and then won two European Cups year after year.

44:29When you think about that, that is like mad. That's amazing. That's crazy. Your story, as you say, the academy lads, the journey. Yeah, it's a brilliant story. You know, the last minute goals in terms of like a season. In 99, if you look at, if you analyse 99, that mad week in terms of winning the last game, you're done with Spurs, the FA Cup, all happening, I think that adds to that story. Yeah. Obviously there's more of a, but it's used to be the achievements of some of these teams People who played in the 80s must get fed up with top... We're obsessed with the Premier League or what's happened in the last 10 or 15 years.

45:04But what Forrest and Villa have done, Liverpool in the 80s... I'm comfortable with... Leicester, Blackburn winning titles. I'm comfortable with Forrest and Leicester being greater achievements. Can I just say, the treble is always going to be like, for me, it's an amazing achievement. I just think that it's brilliant that you've mentioned Forrest as well. You have to mention what they've done. they came up from the second division and then won the league and then won that twice. It's unbelievable. That's amazing. But like, what Leicester's done in this current set... Yeah, Leicester's unbelievable.

45:32I think that probably goes down from a British point of view in respect of an achievement. I just think that's amazing what Leicester's done with the players they had. Yeah, I know. It's mad, isn't it? It's really fucking mad. But like, the thing is as well, again, Forrest, Forrest, and just because it's in the time, as well as in the 80s and that, that is a phenomenal achievement. What Forrest done? It's fucking crazy. It's an amazing story. Amazing story. I watched that Miracles. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched it. I was like, hang on a minute. People need to see this and they need to do more in respect of recognising those kind of achievements.

46:08You know what's unbelievable? I'll die. Nottingham Forest are the only team in Europe who've won the European Cup more than their own domestic league. Maddening. That was amazing, that team, what they'd done there. Have we gone in lads? Are you in for a swim? Come on. I don't know. I don't know, Roy, now. I've had this drink. They've put a lot more rum than I thought they'd put in it. I might go and dive off them rocks. You what? I might go and dive off them rocks.

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