Gerrard & Ives on Man City Stealing Memories, Anfield Atmosphere & Man Utd’s Struggles! | EP 2

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2:33That's study.com slash podcast. Becky, when you're ready? I'm coming, I was saying, sorry. Are you making yourself at home already? He's been waiting for you for 20 minutes. Well, we're just setting the tone, all right? This is... I'll try and hurry up. Don't mind me, anyway. I've got nothing else on today, anyway. You're always on time, though, aren't you, as well? I don't want to speak too soon. I am punctual, yeah. You are punctual, OK. More often than not. You're punctual. More often than not. OK. Noted. Noted, noted. Look at this, our new home. Yeah. It's fancy. Done a good job, haven't they?

3:08They have. Seen that behind you. Do you know what? I was looking at it. I was looking at it and thinking there's nothing in me. It's all Carrot. It's all Man United. It's all Key and Scholes. Your book is there as well. I know, but I should have my wing mirrors on, shouldn't I? Yeah, you should. That's all right. Oh, yeah, there you go. Can I pick this up? Just stuck me at the back behind Neil Warnock. Yeah, I was going to bring it away. Out the back behind Neil Warnock, out the way. There you are. There is something of you. Yeah, there's a little bit of love. Don't get jealous. There's plenty of you in here.

3:36Yeah. There should be a bit of love, because all I've heard is from Goldbridge. They sort of have to slip all week, so there should be a bit of love. They went for you early, didn't they? He did. He did. Noted, noted. Did it? Noted. I feel like there's going to be some sort of revenge in a couple of weeks. It's noted. We'll see how early it goes for you. Ooh, fruit. Have you eaten this morning? Watch the seeds and your teeth. I know, I've just brushed my teeth as well. How are you eating? Oh, no! Football, football, football. I've got my dreams already. Remember that line? When we started? I do.

4:07Football, football, football. When we started. Do you have that line? What did you do? I'm not going to change my voice. I'm not going to change my accent. You shouldn't. I'm not going to. What makes you you? When are we starting then? Whenever you are. Because you were 20 minutes late, so let's get into it. You have nowhere else you need to be today. Is this not the most important thing on your schedule? Do you want me to tell you what I've got on this afternoon? Yeah, go on. I'm going to the opening of a brand new paddle court by my house. Are you? I've been invited, yeah. Of course you are.

4:35This is your new thing. Yeah. It's dominating my life. It is. Which is a good thing. Keeps me fit, keeps the off. Keeps you in trim. Didn't you go to Singapore, though, for international break? I've been to Malaysia and Singapore and can, actually. Been doing a bit of travelling. Fancy! Yeah. How was... Showing off. What did you... Were you playing? Like, what were you doing? I played in Malaysia in a 5v5. So it was Premier League, ex-Players Legends against the rest of the world. Ex-Players Legends, like Del Piero, Yapstan. Do you want to know what score it was? Go on. Just in case you don't ask, it was 7-6 and I got four.

5:14Did you? Oh, yeah. Have you still got it? Top was off. Oh, Steve. It was. With humidity, did they not kill you? Last minute, weren't they? Were you giving the people what they wanted? Just keeping them on the edge of the seats. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You never lose it. Well, I'm glad. Good. Right, shall we do this? Let's go. Let's go. Good luck, anyway. Yeah, you too. Because I know you're nervous. Don't come across like you're all calm because you're having... Don't give away all my secrets. Two days on the phone. Nervous and nervous. You'll actually be fine. Don't give away all my secrets. Told you. If it goes wrong, blame me.

5:45It's fine. I will do. Don't worry. Everything will be your fault, not mine. Good.

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6:30All right, all right, all right, all right. Three-week international break, it is done. Premier League is back. I mean, just a quiet weekend to start with, wasn't it? Too long for me, the international breaks. I used to find the two-week ones were long enough. Three was hard, although obviously really good to see England doing well, playing well, more importantly. Good reaction on the back of the World Cup. A lot of our important players in really good form. so that was good to see but three weeks I mean I enjoyed the games what's the wait for the Premier League to come back now it's back back with a bang I think it was just such anticipation of coming back I can't imagine what we're going to talk about first yeah neither can I I know what's coming but yeah I think obviously more spice with all the drama of the City situation everyone was obviously wanting this Liverpool game which I attended yesterday which I'm still feeling the result from but I'm going to try and be balanced leave the emotion in the car park and we'll go from there 3-0 though on the day there's so much that I want to talk to you about this whole situation because there's so many different aspects of it is it hard to actually talk about City and separate the two off the field and on the field I think we have to separate it today most importantly because the game I think although there was a lot of drama around the game, it's a separate thing from the bigger picture when it comes down to City.

8:07So what do you want to talk about first? Let's talk about on the pitch first, about what you saw. So 3-0 final score, but you went to the game. First of all, what was the atmosphere like? It was a bare piff for City. It was the best atmosphere in terms of noise levels I've seen and heard at Anfield for quite some time. You normally get them on Champions League nights, big fixtures, you'd normally get that noise level. But there was a moment before the red card when the Liverpool fans had the scarves out and it was all laying and it was like the fans are looking at each other and I'm looking around looking at me little lad and it was like, wow.

8:44The atmosphere was wow. In terms of the game... Before you go on the game, though, the atmosphere from the City fans... They turned up. They turned up. It felt defiant. Yeah, they were unified. I think City fans probably done what every other group of fans probably would have done, which is protect their club and their badge. And rightly so. Rightly so. You can only imagine what they're feeling during this difficult time. Because it is a difficult time. And they'll know when they're on their own and in their families and behind them, looking at the fire and the TV of their own families. They'll be hating this.

9:21They won't want to be part of this. It's a mess. You wouldn't want your club to be involved in this mess. even though it's an ongoing process and we all have to be careful what we say right now we have to hold the back page a little bit in their quieter times they will be hating this the ex-players, current players they won't like being part of this but what I will say is in terms of the City performance on Maresca yesterday they were outstanding and people are talking about how it took to the red card for them to sort of go and blow Liverpool away and they did blow Liverpool away from that moment, but they were outstanding from the first kick of the ball, the game plan, tactically how they were set up, the distances.

10:06They soaked everything up that Liverpool threw at them and Liverpool were outstanding for an hour. They were fantastic. Is that the best you've seen Liverpool play this season so far? Yes, yes, and they'd done that without all the firepower or the majority of the firepower. Yes, we still had Rio on the bench and we still had Munoz, who was a£40 million player and Barcola, who I'm sure we're going to come to, and Verts. But a young kid got through at the deep end and he'd done terrific. He ran round. He was uncomfortable for the City defenders at times. So Liverpool's performance for 60 minutes was outstanding.

10:40The manager couldn't have asked for any more. But your first question on City's performance, or talking about City, was they were outstanding from the first kick. Don't forget about the 60 minutes when they soaked everything that Liverpool threw at them. It was a difficult atmosphere for them to play in. They never really looked ruffled or flustered. They played with maturity and experience. And this City team, in my opinion, they're ready. They're ready. They've already sort of come to terms with Pep moving on. The Maresca team, you can see it clearly. And they've got players in every position that are ready to win now, in my opinion.

11:19They're a fantastic team. Do you have to hand it to Maresca as well? because they won at Old Trafford with 10 men. They won at Liverpool against 10 men. It just seems to be top of the table. And it's not easy sometimes when you go against 10 men. Sometimes the game can become more complicated. But if you're just judging City's performance yesterday, I just want to talk about their performance yesterday. They played with experience, maturity. They've got extremely good players in every position. The bench is scary. The bench is scary. People will have opinions why it's so strong and will go back and this will always be the cloud that we're living in in the short, medium term.

12:07But that was a really proud performance from Liverpool for 60 minutes. I think the red card did change the game, but you've still got to go and win the game from that moment and City were outstanding from the red card. The first yellow card was an embarrassment from the referee. I was probably 10 seats down from Howard Webb and I'm looking at him and I can sort of... I know what he's thinking. What is he thinking? The screens in front of him. He's seen it on the screens and I know what he's thinking. The referee's messed up on the first yellow card. He's messed up massively. And then he puts himself in the position when Graham Birch does the second one, which is probably a yellow card.

12:45You know, there's a counter-attack. He's breaking away. Ryan brings him down. and the second one probably is a yellow card. Did Ryan need to make that tackle at that moment though? No, from his point of view, you're looking at maybe knowing that you can't do that in that situation, so it's probably an individual mistake. But he was outstanding, he was Liverpool's best player. The best I've seen from him for a period of time because he hasn't had the best start of the season, but he was everywhere in the first hour. He was bursting past people, he was turning and moving. and he sort of proved to me yesterday that he's more of an eight rather than a six.

13:22I think it suits him to play with a McAllister in there. I know he's played that number six role for Liverpool and done really well in the past, but he's got too much energy, he's such a good manipulator of the ball, he's a good turner, he moves, he runs well with the ball. For me, you sort of have to play him to his strengths and I think that's his strengths. Liverpool, obviously, a team under transition again this season with a new manager. I don't know if you saw Jamie Carragher yesterday after the game and what he said about Florian Wurtz. Where do you stand on, maybe where is his best position and what is happening with him at Liverpool right now?

14:04I think his best position is number 10. I don't think he's got the speed to play out wide. if you go back to his Leverkusen days his history is creating and scoring goals from that number 10 position and a team being built around him and that type of player I'm not sure this Liverpool team is set and ready for Florian Wirtz to come in and thrive if you like maybe if they had Mane still and Firmino and Salah maybe he would thrive more I believe he would thrive more and if Liverpool can get Barcola Fyren Isaac Fyren Munoz Ekotike Rio if he can get them all fit available on Fyren I think Wirtz will feel better because he'll have more forward runs in the team he'll have better players around him I see what you're saying but he's so just let me finish because what I'm going to say is where the kid's at his confidence is shot in the Liverpool shirt his confidence is shot he's not playing well enough we need to see more from vets so I agree with Jamie to that extent but I don't believe in I think Jamie's more like he needs to be moved to the side I think the kid needs help I think he needs help from his manager from his coaches I think he needs help from his senior players I can picture him in an apartment in Liverpool or Hale or Wimsleur wherever they decide to live alone I don't know whether he's got a girlfriend I can picture him beating himself up on how his Liverpool thing started.

15:41This kid is a major talent in my opinion. I've seen enough to believe and give him a chance in terms of I think he needs help and support now. But I do think having better Liverpool players fit and available around him will help him. Will help him because there's been a lot of change and they are in this little transition moment. Whether they should be or not because of the money they've spent, that's a different debate. But I think Vert needs help now. And I think sometimes in this situation, if everyone was fit and available, maybe the best thing is for them to come out and have a couple of games on the bench.

16:17When I suffered form-wise and I needed that help from managers and coaches, I didn't believe at the time, but when managers took me out and put me on the bench or left me out or give me a rest or sometimes watching the team and being gutted you've been taken out and seeing someone else do well in your position or thrive and that little bit of fear of maybe, am I not the main player anymore? Am I not Liverpool's number 10 anymore? It could help Florian Vert. So there's a player there, there's huge potential there. Does he need help and support right now? Yes, because his confidence is affected and I can see it in him.

16:58But you do see a long-term future for him at Liverpool? He needs to do more. He needs to step up a bit more. He needs to realise the situation he's in. But there's definitely a player there, in my opinion. Is he suited to the Premier League? Is he getting knocked about a bit? Yes, he is. But he can have help and support in all the areas to make him work at Liverpool. I wouldn't be giving up on him just yet. I think it's too early. You mentioned to him earlier, Lewis Koumask, getting his first Premier League start. A smile comes over your face with that. Because I played with his dad. I'd come through Le Poole's academy with his dad his dad was an awesome player, two footer different type midfielder, Jason had some great days with him when we were young kids, when football was fun before it becomes serious unbelievable player, great family delighted for him and you know I'm an academy boy roots I love seeing young kids get opportunities and take them and he was threw in at the deep end yesterday.

18:01But he was so close to scoring. I know he's had a couple of pockets of minutes and blah, blah, blah, but yesterday was his feel like Man City at home. What a game for your first Premier League start. And you know what? He'd done himself proud. He'd done the academy proud. He was a little bit loose at times, so there's a lot to work on, a lot of potential there. But in terms of rolling your sleeves up, being up for it, fighting for your team, representing the supporters, representing the academy, he didn't look like an academy player out there he played like a man I'm proud of him I really am I'm delighted from that he took a chance what he showed me as a Liverpool fan yesterday is he can be part of this group moving forward because he will improve and if you get the right coaching around him and they sort of don't just allow him to be part of a team improve him individually and let him be part of that squad I think there's a future for him Are you liking what you're seeing on the pitch this season under Iriola?

19:00I've seen enough to be hopeful. I like the way he's come across. I've liked his interviews. I've been lucky enough to sit in front of him. I was amazed by what he'd done at Bournemouth. I've seen enough in terms of the tweaks and changes he's made to the XI where we struggled in the opening games. bringing McAllister in and having him as that six whether he's the right man in terms of long term in terms of being that specialist six I think that's debatable I think he's a really good player in McAllister but we had an issue at right back early on we had an issue with counter attacks and he seems to have fixed and improved them issues very fast and very quick the performance for 60 minutes with a weakened team was really good, tactically really good from the manager.

19:58But he will have lost sleep last night from 60 onwards, like any manager would, because the team caved a bit. City were excellent, taking nothing away from them, the goals they scored, the way they made the pitch bigger, the speed they moved, the ball, the position they got and the quality. We have to praise that in terms of what we've seen, but Liverpool's performance when you're talking about Areola from start to the red card to go toe-to-toe with City and dominate for large parts and look like the better team and the more likely team I think you've got to give the manager credit for that. Do you know what I like about him as well?

20:34I've seen that he's been out and about with his daughter who's watching the women's team I feel like he's getting the City is that fair to say? He's embracing it. Yeah. He's embracing it and I think that was one of the areas where certain parts of the Liverpool fans probably wasn't happy with Arna Slott maybe a couple of Ibiza visits living out of the city in Manchester rightly or wrongly he's moved into Liverpool he's embracing it, he's getting out and about I think he has to work on his linesman skills I think he was a linesman and his daughter he wasn't moving quick enough we have to speak to him about that When you go to your son's games what role do you play there?

21:12I was there Saturday and Sunday Are you embarrassing Dad on the touchline? No, I try and keep my mouth shut I try and encourage him he's only just started playing again and loving it again which I'm delighted with because I like going to I love watching the kids play football so we played up locally on the Saturday they got a nice little 3-1 win and they won yesterday 2-1 but it could have went either way Scousers again Scousers it was brutal it was tattles flying How old were they? I enjoyed Nine? I enjoyed my son's game yesterday morning more than the Liverpool City game not even like results apart I just don't know I didn't really enjoy the game yesterday.

21:51I just didn't enjoy the whole show and the pantomime. Can you see them, well, I mean, six wins out of six, they're already on a run, but can you see them continuing going on a run to the end of the season? I think the ball was kicked. I fancied Arsenal to just carry on and thingy. But now, what are we, seven games in? Six, seven games in? I'd put my money on City, having what I've seen yesterday. Gone early? I'd put my money on City. they're just so strong and then you see the bench you see Docky I think Docky would walk into 99 % of the teams in the Premier League I remember covering the FA Cup final not so long ago Docky was top draw to have him just to call on him off the bench Is there anyone in that City team that you would have liked to have played with?

22:37Well I think Harland's the standout isn't he I walked past them done a little route out of the way to get out of Anfield after the game and he was talking to Subozlay and he's a machine, he's a monster, he's a presence, he's a profile, he's lethal, he's probably the most lethal centre-forward I've seen in the Premier League and you know, Alan Shearer, Harry Kane, he's in the same breath as them two I'd say them two Thierry Henry

23:15Rude Van Nistelrooy I think Suarez Torres the ones I played with if he had more longevity he would probably be in the same as them but Haaland's already in that in that conversation and he's still very young and he's still got loads of time it's scary where he could he's a problem for the Premier League he's a problem for the Premier League great new haircut as well gone for a Stevie G You'd hit that little crown. It's gone for a little crop. Your hair is immaculate. Yeah. It doesn't move. No. It hasn't moved for a while. It hasn't moved for a while. Good genetics? Just one of the stunts I'm carrying.

23:48No, I'm joking. Yeah, I've got strong hair genes. Strong hair genes. That's what it's all about.

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27:34Well, it brings it on to an interesting topic. Very interesting topic. Because you were at the game, so I doubt you'll have seen it from when you said, I don't know. Teams walking out onto the pitch yesterday and somebody in the crowd had made a banner and it draped over the top and it said, Gerrard, Premier League winner 2014. I thought you were going to say he slipped then. I was like, good. We could be finished on day one. We'll get on to that. I made that banner and I asked someone if I'm only joking. No, I bet you did. No, but honestly, you laugh about it, you joke about it, but everything that's going off the pitch, this has consequences.

28:13Like, for you personally, in the way that you've lived, of all the trophies that you won, it's the one that eluded you. I think for everyone, you hope it has consequences. Obviously, this is an ongoing process. I think there's a new rule that's come out where there's 12 weeks for us to find out what is going to happen, if you like. But then it could go to, is it CAS as it's called, or court of arbitration, and you don't know how long it's going to go on from there. That's the frustration for me. It's the frustration for everyone. How long is it going to take before we know whether they're innocent or whether they're guilty?

28:51It certainly looks like they're going to be guilty. But you say that's the frustration for everyone and for you, but for you and for everyone it's very different. Is this where the prodding starts? Yeah, because I'm like, is this not really deeply personal for you? It's not personal for me in terms of the Manchester City players, because they're all outstanding players, and they've lived the moment, and they deserve to, obviously... I'm not someone who's going to sit here and say, I would accept a Premiership medal, or I want one that they've got. I think I've come to terms with that I never won the Premier League, that I was short in that department in terms of winning.

29:34I've come to terms with that. I've come to terms with the incident that happened to me at the back end of that season.

29:45And I've heard a lot of City players, a lot of City fans and celebrity fans say you can't take their moments away from us. What about the memories they've took away from, not just possibly me, and the team that I played in, but over that period of time, nine, ten years, and Spurs fans, United fans, Everton fans, teams at the bottom, teams in the Cups, the City ex-players, current players, and the City owners, and everyone connected with City, have got to think about the memories that they potentially have stole away from everyone else. That's the thing that I feel at the moment. In terms of what I want to say, and how deep I want to say, I want to hold the back page in terms of my own emotion because that was a tough that was a tough year the ending was tough that's not the City players fault I've got I've got nothing but respect for all my City ex-team mates that I played with England for and what they achieved and I'd never disrespect them personally on their their achievements this has got nothing to do with City fans either but they've got it in their own time to think about if they're guilty or when they're guilty, I know they're saying when we're innocent, but I believe it'll be when they're guilty.

31:04They've got to think about the memories and the moments and the possibilities that individuals, teams and clubs could have suffered from or lost out on. They've got to think about that. Because I spoke to a few people high up yesterday at Liverpool and I couldn't help say to them, it just come out, if this was us I don't think I could speak to you face to face that's what I said to one I don't think I could speak to you face to face and it was a high up official I won't say it was if this was Liverpool and the Champions League that I had best night of my life or the FA Cup final 2006 I wasn't good enough at the time to win a league or whatever but what I would say is if this was Liverpool and they tainted or tarnished their memories I couldn't speak to them I want it ever again Even if you trusted them though Because the owners are saying We've still done nothing wrong If they're innocent No problem I'm talking about if down the line In 12 weeks or in 2 years If it goes to wherever else it could Wander off to and it probably will If you're A Manchester City player that won them trophies You can't Look at them owners in the same way If they're innocent fine congratulations, well done they've been amazing individually some of the best players I've ever played against the Board of City shirt but if these owners or these people are guilty, Becky how can you as a player look at them in the same way?

32:42how? how? so there needs to be the right punishments historically moving forward and now, in my opinion. I feel like you're very measured about it at this moment in time. Only because it's ongoing. OK. Only because it's ongoing. But it is quite emotionally triggering for you. I think what's important for me to say is this is not me wanting a Premier League medal because it wouldn't be the same. It wouldn't feel the same. I wouldn't all of a sudden start wanting an open-top bus or I wouldn't want Kyle Walker to knock at me house and go, oh, there you go. No, no, congratulations. They were terrific at the time.

33:19One of the hardest challenges to play against was a City team individually and collectively. Playing against David Silva was awful. He was unbelievable. Yeah, but collectively. Yeah, yeah, Torre. But this, in a lot of people's minds, this has been going on for some time where you're going, how have they got that good so fast? How have they got that strong so fast? If you think about teams that have to build, like Brighton, for example, it's a process you'd have to build. You'd have to build. So to stay within the rules for them to get so strong so fast and so powerful this hasn't just come to people's attention a couple of weeks ago Liverpool managers Manchester United managers and all the other managers that have been competing against City players that have been competing against City have been going the bench how have they got 10, 30 million pound players back when I played and we can only get a few so this has been behind the scenes for a very long time but now they've been caught and charged and we'll see how it plays out in the end but in terms of being measured and holding a little part of the back page I'd like to hold a little bit of it I'd like to hold a little bit back I don't want to peak on day one God, he looked somewhere to go But going back to the performance yesterday I thought I sweep he could it gets increasingly worse Going back to the performance yesterday forgetting all the circus and the fans going backwards and forwards City were outstanding from the first whistle watched the performance really closely they were experienced, measured mature and they've got fantastic players oh my god the sanctions do you have your own ideas on what they should be what you want them to be and what would be a statement?

35:15Just in terms of how I feel, for example, the team, obviously I potentially could be affected, if you like. I wouldn't want individual players to give stuff back and blah, blah, blah. I don't think that would be right. I wouldn't accept anything. I've come to terms with where I am and what I achieved and blah, blah, blah. But in terms of the club, they have to be stripped. I was reading up on some stuff what happened to Juventus and all those different types of things match fixing and stuff but they got stripped so the punishment was strong and it set an example around Italian football that you can't match fix anymore otherwise you're going to get stripped of titles so there needs to be an example set historically in my point whether that's a star throughout all the years and their achievements there needs to be minimum a star because then it doesn't matter whether the titles are stripped or not as soon as that star's there everyone knows that no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

36:13That happened because of what we all know happened. And then there needs to be a punishment moving forward. So there needs to be a punishment moving forward. I don't know what that right punishment is. I've heard people say put them down to the bottom league or down to the championship. I don't think it's fair on the championship if they go to the championship because then they will be one of the three teams that come up. So that takes a slot away from one of the championships. I don't think it's fair on the EFL. so that would be my opinion on that I think it's more moving forward in the Premier League to punish them over a period of time So multi-year multi-year punishments that would be my opinion I'm not saying that's the right opinion but that's just how I feel sitting here this year I think putting them down to the Championship is not fair on the AFL I don't think it's enough because they'll bounce back you look at that team yesterday can you imagine that in the Championship we're all Jewish backed it's not fair on the teams playing against City week in, week out it's not fair on the potential team that could be the third team come up and I think it needs to be a transfer ban I think it needs to be a point over a period of time and make them suffer like they've made everyone else suffer for the 9-10 years that they've done it for that would be my opinion but it needs to be an example set and I think you know if this was Liverpool people say talking nonsense you'd protect Liverpool yeah I would protect Liverpool I'd protect the Liverpool fans because it's not the fans fault and I'd protect the ex-players I probably would react in the same way as the City players but in their quiet times they know there needs to be strong punishments for the sake of the game the Premier League the brand the world I was in a box yesterday it was full of foreign players all they wanted to talk about was what City were doing so this has had an effect on a ripple worldwide it needs to be sorted as quickly as possible and sanctions need to be strong so it doesn't happen again.

38:16Right. Because they were strong with Everton. Yeah, they were. They were strong with Forrest. We've seen examples of other federations being strong in other countries. So, good luck to the Premier League, but they have to be strong. Absolutely.

38:40Let's move on to talking about Manchester United against Spurs. What is going on here for both these teams? One all in the end. Spurs were excellent. Didn't deserve to go a goal down, in my opinion. I think Spurs are close. I think they just lack that killer in the team. I said it. I covered the Spurs-Aston Villa game. Tottenham were brilliant for 45 minutes, ended up being 3-0 down against Aston Villa because they couldn't find that last pass, that last killer instinct. I don't think they've got the personnel in the group. They haven't got that Harry Kane, they haven't got that Haaland, that X-factor player that turns defeats into draws or draws into wins.

39:28I think they lack killers in the front line. But they've got really good players, they've got a really good coach, they play really good stuff. and I've seen it again at United. They certainly deserved at least a draw, in my opinion. Manchester United were awful. And I'm glad I've waxed lyrical on Man City because people don't know that I'm going to try and be as balanced as I possibly can here. But Manchester United were awful in the first half.

39:59Awful in possession, awful out of possession. just didn't look like a good team at all in the first half. It improved a bit in the second half and they scored a really good goal to put themselves in a position to go and win that game and win ugly.

40:15But they can't defend the goal well enough. They don't look like a real unit. They don't look like a hard team to play against at the moment. I think that's the reason this season why the pressure is creeping up on Michael now. So fundamentally for you on that pitch, where is the biggest problem? I don't think the back four is good enough. I think the keeper is an improvement on previous goalies, but he's not a van der Sar. He's not world-class. So I look at that back five, play the 4-2-3-1 at the weekend, and I think I always compare Manchester United to the United teams I played against, and you think Van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Viddish, Evra.

41:00That back five compared to that miles off it. And then I look at the midfield, I don't think they've found the right personnel or balance yet. That could be down to Belayba not being fit enough just yet. He might need more minutes. I'm not sure Santos was the right sign for£50 million. And then I look at the balance in there and I look at the size of Manchester United's pitch and they're a bit short in terms of work ethic. The midfield doesn't look right at the moment. At times that midfield just looked completely overran by Spurs on Saturday. So Juri Tielemans and Kobi Menuh were the two in there.

41:40Individually, good players, but do they complement each other? Similar in terms of, I would say, legs, in terms of how they move around the pitch. They're not natural athletes. they're not athletic and when we ever played at Manchester United I'm talking about playing against United they in possession used to make the pitch so so big it's already a huge pitch and you walk onto Altsaf and you're like this is such a big pitch we as a team if we ever lacked legs in the middle of the pitch or if we had personnel that couldn't get around the pitch we'd always suffer against Manchester United I think the reverse effects happening to this Manchester United team I'm not sure there's enough dynamism in there enough athleticism I think Casemiro got a lot of stick for that I know he finished as Manchester United career a bit stronger and he was a fantastic player in terms of his career big picture but I think teams are having a lot of success dominating the middle middle area against United it is open at times it does lack athleticism mobility so I think that's some of the issues they're having at the moment Because where do you think the best partnership will come in that midfield for them?

42:59They need Balaba fit, up to speed and ready because I think he gives them a different type of player he is more athletic, he can get about a bit more he's a bigger presence I think he'll give them more power, more legs in there and he will compliment Maynou or Tillamans whoever Michael decides to play. When he came onto the pitch, they improved. The midfield area looked better.

43:29But I still think for a Manchester United midfield, the ones that I played against, it's still way off that level. Why do you think Andre Santos was the wrong signing? I don't know if I've missed something here with him because I thought Carrick was having him in pre-season but now he can't get game. I just think to play in Manchester United midfield every single game, every single weekend you'd expect it to compete for the Premier League and the Champions League. Forget the other Cups because obviously you try and win them as you go along but the priority is the league and the Champions League and has been for decades from whatever I've known and competed against United.

44:06Your midfield players have got to be world class. They've got to be world class. They've got to be consistently world class because when it comes to the business end you're going to be competing against. If you go to Arsenal, Declan Rice, for example, I think he's creeping into that level. Gimoresh, Odegaard, they're world-level players. Liverpool, maybe not right now, but when they were challenging for the league, Fabinho, Wijnaldum, them level of players, Manchester United need world-class potential midfielders or that are already ready to play at that level. I think Mainu's a really good player.

44:48He's nowhere near that yet, nowhere near world level. Santos, he's a good player. And for me, he's not a Manchester United player. To be consistent week in, week out and affect games and when it comes down to when the prizes are given out or Champions League semi-final quarter-finals, I think he'd be found out against the PSG. I think he'd be found out against the Real Madrid midfield, Barcelona midfield. I think he's a bit short, in my opinion. Tillemans is a good Premier League level player Fernandes is the one that's world class but he's alone in there in terms of that level I played against Michael Carrick who was underestimated he was a top, top player Keane was world class Scholes was world class Giggs used to play in there sometimes world class Beckham could come in there world class Rooney coming to overload the midfield world class Manchester United in the field is way off that level it's way off that level Is there a world where you feel sorry for Michael Carrick a little bit with what is going on at the minute he's a young English manager at a big club relatable Yeah but he signed up for it and you know when I got sacked by Aston Villa I didn't expect anyone to feel sorry for me I know what I signed up for I knew it was a tough job I knew you were going to get judged by the Wales media you know what you signed up for I don't think Michael will want anyone to feel sorry for him, he'll certainly understand where he's at at the moment, he'd done a terrific job last year when he came in he did get some credit for it but I think he deserved more credit for what he'd done, on the back of what was a mess under Almiron the system, they didn't look like a Man United team, no identity, the style of play

46:36Michael come in with Steve Holland alongside him and they both changed Manchester United, the consistency the performances, how they looked the belief, the confidence they've done a lot of really good things together and I think Steve's brilliant for Michael but they will both know and they won't expect anyone to feel sorry for them, what they will be doing is be trying to fix it and try and win the next game and worry about the next game and stay in the moment but they'll certainly understand and realise that the Manchester United coaches, managers whatever you want to call them and you'd expect to be judged in a critical way.

47:16But as I say, I can relate to it at Aston Villa because the back end was really tough. When you start losing games and you're on that run of form, it's difficult to get out of it. How much do you feel that? Oh, every bit of it. Every bit of it. You take it home, you bring it in. you have to try and you know show everyone else that you're not feeling it or taking it everywhere with you but if them to say they're not feeling it at the moment they'll be telling you lies every manager feels it I don't believe that there's managers out there that don't feel a run of form where it's not going in your way because you care, because you love the game you want to fix it, you're desperate, you want to do everything you possibly can to help the players individually and collectively.

48:03That's how I tried to do it at Aston Villa. But you feel that. You feel it. On Saturday, it looked like the players have stopped running. Certainly did for that first half an hour. I wouldn't just say they stopped running. But they can run more. They can run more. And this is not just this game in isolation. and the stats suggest that teams are outrunning them a lot and I'm trying to relate to what's jumping out at me straight away as I'm in a slot team last year. We're getting a lot of stick and the stats were saying that the Liverpool team are getting outrun a lot. I don't think just running more makes you win a game.

48:47That doesn't make sense. But you look at the United performance and they can work harder, they can push more, I think they can stick together more, they can fight more. and if it's happening every game or consistently, I think it's a problem. Well, the next six games that United have got, pretty tough. They've got to go to Madrid this week against a Diego Simeone side. And they'll run. Yeah. And they'll fight. And they'll want to win. And then Leeds United away. Tough Premier League game. Ellen Road, there's a bit of needle in that game. But Michael won't be worried about Leeds at the moment. he will be watching the game back now at the weekend I'm sure he'll be debriefing he will be thinking about maybe changes he can make to the team does he keep Belayber in now does he try and freshen it up in a different way because you have to look for solutions but he will be focused on the Atletico Madrid game that will be his sole focus of course he will be thinking after that game we have to recover for Leeds and he'll be making decisions on the back of both games but it will be the focus how can we get a result?

49:55Because if you go to Atletico Madrid, it takes a little bit of the noise and the pressure away. And in that situation, as a manager, that's what you crave. That's what you need. That's what you want. Does it feel like you're chasing your tail a bit, though? Yeah, I think it does. I think it does a little bit. You start... I think as a player and as a team, you start forcing it on the pitch, first and foremost. And then as a manager and a coach, you're looking for different solutions. I think you'll also have to mention about did the Manchester United coaches and team get enough support from above in the summer in the transfer window could they have gone bigger in certain areas I know they went quite big in midfield but did they need another number nine did they need better defenders because I look at the substitutions that they brought on at the weekend they improved a bit and they help put them in front a little bit.

50:49But these Manchester United players for the big picture and for the future, if they're looking to compete for the Premier League in the Champions League, in my opinion, they're why off it. Yeah, and there is a bigger picture here with this, with Carrick. But I think it brings it to an interesting point about young English managers in the Premier League. Do they struggle more than foreign managers that come in? I think if they don't get results, yeah, they're going to struggle. I don't think you're going to get any grace off our media I think if you've had a strong career or you've got a high profile name, i.e.

51:24Michael Carrick Frank Lampard, myself, I think you do get judged slightly different, there is a bit more heat that maybe comes on slightly quicker but don't feel sorry for myself being in that situation as I say, you know what you signed up for you take the praise when you're on a winning streak, I won my first three games as Villa manager and I got a lot of praise for that and enjoyed it. So you've got to take the rough with the snood. I think there's more of a fundamental issue. I wouldn't say problem because there is still really good British coaches and English coaches around at the moment.

51:59Eddie Howe, for example, who I'm a massive fan of. I think he should be the next England manager. Frank's done amazingly well in opening the Championship, but what a job. He's done just to name a couple of examples. they are out there I'm sure down the pyramid there's a lot of potential and good coaches so it's not a problem I don't think but there's a fundamental issue in terms of the FA and I know the FA I can speak from experience and face-to-face conversations they're trying to help and support English coaches and English managers I think Dan Ashworth is crucial for this he brought the English DNA in which helped Gareth and his team from where we was in terms of the elevation of the England group the job Gareth and Steve done and then them winning tournaments down Steve Cooper Ian Foster English teams are starting to win tournaments so there's coaches there, there's personnel there but need more support need more experience managers I had two years at the academy before I got the opportunity at Rangers Rangers was brilliant for me because I had an owner and I had a support network that whatever happened, they understood the journey that Rangers and myself and the time that we were on together.

53:19So through difficult moments and poor runs of form, I got the solidarity and the support. But that was the plan from the beginning. You're not going to be lucky enough to get them opportunities at Premier League level. So let me just cut in very quickly here and ask you then, do you think the Villa opportunity, do you think it was slightly fast-tracked? Yes, possibly. I would accept that opinion. It's open to debate because I've done three and a half years in Scotland. My argument, my side would be, well, how long do you do? But in hindsight, now for my own personal development and decisions I made, I probably would have done more games in Scotland or looked for something in between the Scotland level, with all due respect, before I went to the Premier League level because what I realised and my experience of being the Villa manager was from a coaching perspective, when you're on your own or with your group of staff, it's a lot more brutal than when you play as a player.

54:23It can unravel extremely fast, it can shock you. So my advice to coaches, I don't know whether the likes of Frank and Michael agree with this, is experience is key. getting as many games as a coach and a manager as you possibly can before your opportunity comes but in my shoes and in that moment when Villa come you're also thinking could this be your only opportunity so it's difficult and it's it's challenging it pulls you different ways but in hindsight if I could have my time again I would get another couple of hundred games in and I'm just thinking like the likes of Sam Allardyce now and Harry Redknapp and Pardew and you know ex-managers, my coach is thinking he's saying the right thing there because you can't fast-track experience.

55:11You've got to go and get them games and them experiences and learn and grow. But these opportunities come and you get the call. You have to make that decision in the moment. You sat here with me now doing this. People are going to go, oh, he's managerial career, he's done, he's finished. I look better though, don't I? No, it's death. The grey hairs have slowed down. My work-life balance at the moment is very good. happy. Yeah. Never say never though. This is my new stress, just being alongside you every Monday. I know, sorry, I'm going to try and be on time as well for you, because I know you waited for me.

55:43Never say never though? No, because I mean... Do you know what the date is today, by the way? 12th of October. Do you know what you were doing this time last year? International break? Probably, but not going back to Rangers. Those conversations are happening right now. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Well, listen, I mean, I'm really happy where I am right now. I don't want to be anywhere else. Work-life balance is good. But even if I was in a job now and I'd come in to do this as a one-off, I wouldn't shut a media door or any door. I'm always someone who never shut a door, keep everything open and live in the moment, if you like.

56:21So I don't know what the future holds in a year, two, three or four. But I've signed up to this and I'm really excited about it. I'm obviously signed up to TNT I've got a lot of family time I can do my hobbies I'm happy work-life balance is good I'm not asking for the boss I'm asking for me how long are you sticking around with me for for a while I mean you know it's not easy being a a coach it's not easy it's a tough job it's a different role from being a player different pressures different stress it's around the clock and that's what people need to sort of be aware of when they decide to go down the coaching career.

57:01It's a completely different gig. Totally.

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1:00:19You played with him at Liverpool. Then you managed him in South A. he's out there at Stamford Bridge banging in the free kicks two goals for him at the weekend I managed him for six months and Sadie I wish he would have stayed might have kept me in a job a bit longer you couldn't persuade him it was a mutual that one anyway I'm not having a sack on my CV that was a mutual unbelievable person oh that was a mutual on Sadie wasn't it yeah I've got evidence I'm sure you have unbelievable person I don't know whether you know him personally I don't actually, no, he's one of the very few people that I haven't actually come across.

1:00:57Top person, top professional, lives and breathes it, family man. Great to have as a teammate, great to have in your dressing room if you're a coach or a manager. I still think he's a really good player. I don't think he was when he was in his peak years. I don't think anyone is at 36. maybe if you're a freak like Messi or Ronaldo I don't think Jordan's a freak but what I would say is I still think there's a right good strong year in him I think he proved that at the weekend I think Xabi will be clever with him when he uses him, how he uses him in Jordan's head, Jordan will be wanting to be consistently starting he won't see himself as a squad player I know his mentality, I know his drive but to expect him to be the Jordan Henderson that was at Liverpool and go Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday throughout the season, I think that's asking a little bit much, although physically he will be in fantastic shape, his numbers will be as good as anyone's in the group his standards will be top he will be one of the best trainers daily and from a manager perspective you trust him, if you've got a game plan and there's a role for Jordan, you'd play him because he will do everything in his power to do his role in the best way and help everyone else around him he's infectious, I haven't got a bad word to say about him but I wouldn't say he's still a top player now in terms of, you know.

1:02:23His mentality is really interesting though. I saw, I listened to a post-match interview that he did after the Chelsea game and it was sort of put to him about this noise of being just a squad player now at various things. That will be annoying him. Yeah. But I think that would have annoyed James Milner, for example. It will annoy a lot of 33, 34, 35, 36-year-olds. I left Liverpool because of it Brendan Rodgers was saying to me your game time's going to get less and less your contribution's going to be less and less and I still felt like I was Liverpool's best centre-field other people might have a different opinion on that but that's just how I felt at that time and that will be annoying Jordan because I think it's slightly disrespectful to just call someone, a squad player who's had that career and is still capable of that type of contribution.

1:03:20But the reality is he's not going to play every game. There's probably a bit more of a respectful way as a journalist you could put that across to Jordan, I would say. Yeah, Xabi Alonso. Have you called him? Have you spoke to him since he's been here? A couple of times on messages, but not in terms of call or face-to-face. But I'll bump into him, I'm sure I will. Covering the games. Wanted them to come to Liverpool at the time. it was Zimor Slott wasn't it yeah I mean Slott done great winning the league in the first year but I was wanting Jabby to here's a question if Jabby had been manager would he have called you and said come and help me I don't think so I don't think so would I have loved that yes but I think Jabby's got his group that he had at Leverkusen he's probably been trying to put that group of staff and team together for a long time when he's been doing his coaching badges when he's coming to the back end of his career he's probably been thinking well if I do go down that road I'd like to put this team up he wouldn't need someone like myself for example it would have been fascinating to see him at Liverpool but I'm really fascinated to see how he does at Chelsea I think he's started pretty well they've had a couple of setbacks and they've conceded probably too many goals if you go into it in fine detail but he's got an exciting group of players he's an exciting manager like the way he plays from foot and love the stuff he's done at Leverkusen so he deserves this opportunity and he started pretty well pretty well it's exciting Do you think they'll challenge this season?

1:05:02I think they'll just be a bit shy I think they'll I think they'll blow 70-80 % of the league away I think they've got too much attack and talent I think they'll outscore 70 % of the league If they continue to play in this way I think where they might come a bit short is Conceding goals Have they got enough defensively To challenge for the league in year one I would say they just fall a little bit short But it's a good time for Chelsea For their fans looking forward There's tons of good players in there if they can keep recruiting well and improving personnel. I think with Javi and his team, I think it won't be far too down the line when they challenge.

1:05:49But I think this year might be a bit too soon. That'll be fun to watch them for sure. I forgot to mention Spurs. They're going to Marbella tomorrow. They are going on a warm weather training camp. 25 players had it on good authority. Minimal staff to give the players extra responsibility. Nothing ever goes wrong on those types of trips, does it? Nothing. You're speaking to the wrong person. You're speaking to the wrong person, I'm telling you, because whilst they can work and they can be beneficial, I've experienced it with Rangers going to Dubai and we derailed one year and then we done it the year after and we improved and kicked on.

1:06:30So I've seen the pros and the cons and I've experienced the pros and the cons. I would say Marbe is brave. just in terms of location, risk because there's a lot more other places where you can go probably be safer. Although the players nowadays are a different generation than us and the generation before. But as soon as you mentioned, that sort of just sprung to mind and I just think of during the season camps or mid-season camps, I just think be careful, be very careful, especially if you're in a position like Spurs when you're down the bottom of the table be very careful and Marbella to me I just think risk I just think risk What was the best or worst you ever went on?

1:07:18The best was probably at Rangers as a coach when we'd done the Middle East for the second time and we came back and we really kicked on and we improved and we got a real team bonding it was probably the first time I think we were halfway through the journey and I really felt like that trip really got us together and we kicked on from there and it wasn't so long before we won the league and you go back to them moments and think about when you're putting the building and the jigsaw together. That was a real key mid-season break for us. But no one wants to listen to the good stories, do they? They want the bad stories.

1:07:59It was the Rafa Benitez when he took us to Portugal pre-Barcelona Champions League I was hoping you were going to mention this I don't know how long's left we can hear it, go on look, we went to Portugal as a group and it was for a warm weather let's break it up, let's take the group away I'm not sure whose decision, whether it was Rafa's or whether it was a group decision as a staff we end up in Portugal in the Algarve and I think it was a five, six day camp and it ended up in a disaster I think it's been well documented there was an incident with Risa and Bellamy which wasn't nice Craig won't thank me for bringing it up but it's already been out in the public domain the training was brilliant the location was brilliant we got a couple of free hours went to a karaoke the karaoke everyone was putting pressure on each other who was up next to sing I was hiding because I don't really like singing Do you have a song?

1:09:00Do you ever get out? Teddy swims, yeah. I've got a few go-tos, but I don't like it. I don't feel pressured by doing it. That was the situation and how it erupted on the night. There was booze involved. Then the incident happened. It wasn't good when two of your teammates fall out and collide in that way. It wasn't good to be the leader of that team in that moment.

1:09:28Thankfully, we found a way how to move forward. and we actually beat Barcelona 2-1. The game that we sort of were preparing for, but the media frenzy around it wasn't helpful. It wasn't a good time for the team or them individuals. Can you remember who scored the goals in the game? I want to test you. Well, I was going to say, wasn't it... Didn't they... One of them scored... Weren't they both involved in both goals and assisted each other? Correct, Becky, correct. and it was the famous Bellamy golf celebration, which was cheeky. No, but there's a still of you and I can't see your face because it's at the back.

1:10:07I know you're smiling. Good job you can't see your face. I know you're laughing. Sort of happy we won the game and can't believe we've won the game beat Barcelona in their own backyard. Two goalscorers, Risa and Bellamy. Can you believe it? No. So the team, Bondham, worked in terms of the results, but I'm just talking about the risk. Yeah. So you have to be really careful when you're away, especially when you're in Marbella. You know a bit about Marbella, don't you? I don't know what you're talking about. Should we do a... This is our team bonding here. No comment. We're not going on being like you swerving a question when you were a manager.

1:10:43I'm good at that. Yeah, you were. You were. And I always would try and you were always just like... That's where we first met, wasn't it? You were Rangers and our first conversation was probably something like, I love gorgeous Stephen. You were the easy bit. You were easy because you were quite sensible. I'll give you that. You were quite sensible with your questions. You were Rangers TV, so you didn't, you know... I'd like to think I was fair rather than sensible. You'd prod, but you were fair. Whereas when you go into the main one and you've lost a game for Rangers, oof. Oh, yeah. I can imagine.

1:11:13It's challenging. Yeah. It's challenging. Now I'm brutal. No, I'm not. I'm always fair. I always like to think that I'm fair. That's all you can ask for. Right, let's do team bonding ourselves, right? I've got a quiz for you. Go on. Cast your mind back. 30 years ago today, Arsene Wenger took charge of Arsenal for the very first time. 2-0 away win over Blackburn Rovers. You have got 90 seconds to name as many of Arsenal's starting 11 as you possibly can. I don't have a timer. Wait. I have yours. Oh, out of nowhere. You've got my phone? Yes. What have you been looking on through that? You've been behind that curtain all that time.

1:11:51Oh, over there. He's been lurking. He's been lurking. When are we starting? Let me think. Okay, so let me go to stopwatch. Okay, do you remember the question? Yes. Arsene Wenger took charge of Arsenal 30 years ago today. 2-0 away win over Rovers. 90 seconds to name as many of Arsenal's starting 11 as you can. Are you going to shout them out? I feel like you're going to write them down. When are you going to start? Huh? When are you going to start? Well, I'm going to start when you're ready. I'm just going to shout them out, I don't need to write them out because it'll be slower. OK, I'll try and count at the same time.

1:12:26Ooh, multitasking. OK, ready? Yeah. Three, two, one, go. Seaman, Dixon, Adams, Keown, Winterburn. Yep. Five. Vieira. Six. Ray Parler. Anelka.

1:12:45I'm going to say Perez. Oh, a substitute. Yeah, Ray Parler, there you go. Oof, was he sub? So would it be in Lundberg?

1:12:57No. No. Petit? No. Trying to think of the forwards. No-one else? Welsh. Harton? Yes. How many am I missing? Three? Yeah, and you're on 55 seconds. You've done well. I'm going to say something like Grimaldi. No, you're missing a defender. English defender Dixon, Winsorven yeah we've got those no bold yes there you go well done midfielder often on sky

1:13:42you're on 1-24-25 you're so close you're so close initials PM Paul Merson done yeah got it You got it You got it I love Mers as well I'll try to do it David Thiemann Tony Adams Steve Bald Lee Dixon Martin Keogh Nigel Winterball Paul Merson David Platt So did they play Must have played the back five then Yeah Patrick Vieira John Hartson And Ian Wright Wrighty? Yeah Wrighty was there as well I'm sorry Wrighty Huge fan Did we not say Wrighty? I didn't say Wrighty Ah We forgot Wrighty I can't believe I never said Wrighty actually No I can't I was thinking I didn't realise I didn't say it Maybe the ones later and Elk and stuff, but yeah.

1:14:23No, it was righty. Poor for me, though. I'm disappointed, isn't I? That's all right. There's always room for improvement. You don't want to stop. I know, but I should have got Ian Wright. I know, I know. We do love Wrighty. Number eight as well. He is. That's it. Done. Number one wrapped up. It's easy, this, isn't it? Did you enjoy it? It went pretty fast, actually. Yeah, it did. It went really fast. Yeah, it's like we've done that. How long did we do? I don't know. We did over an hour. Over an hour. Is that enough? We did over an hour. Good. You made it easy. I enjoyed it. Good. Done. We don't have like a pre-match.

1:14:58What was your pre-match? Think about that. Just let's get the first game nerves out the way. Yeah. But what was like your pre-match routine when you played? It was pretty boring to be honest. Just done the same thing all the time. Like same food, same sleeping patterns, same like how I'd done my tickets. Same when I got in the dressing room. Always done the right side of my body first and my left. and same massage, same person, everything, just the same. Just boring. Were you superstitious? A little bit, but not like... Not like at a mad level. OK. We need to get, like, a pre-match routine for this going down.

1:15:30Well, they'll be turned up on time, wouldn't they? That's the first thing we need. Yeah, it was, to be fair. Just takes me a lot longer to get ready. What's that say? Rude. Rude!

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