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0:19First time with you Joe? Yeah, first time mate. Lots to discuss. You know what, I was, I saw on the way up today, 15 years today. 6-1 Is that what it is? Yeah, 15 years today Time flies, doesn't it? What's your memories of that game? I tried to block it out with City but was that the first title? City won that year obviously with the Aguero moment Yeah, we'd obviously started well and United were dominant We'd had a really good season the season before we finished third and won the FA Cup so it was the first time in Champions League and were we going to have a title charge? we didn't know I think we started well and then we came here and then I think did Johnny get sent off at nil-nil or were we already leading you were winning already because I think it was in the second half Balotelli did his whole why always me that's right yeah yeah it's one of those where you look at it and I really want to go well I wish we had VAR but he definitely he definitely yeah he did it was definitely I remember thinking it I remember seeing Johnny all over him and thought ref's got a big decision to make here and he sent him off and i was like right okay and then goal after goal and then eddie came on and then david started pulling strings and it was a it was one of those sundays where not nothing was planned and then vinnie literally went clear your diaries straight into hail old school old school celebration but it was it was a massive moment for us but i always remember how all of us interviewed after and i was really pleased with how we interviewed because everyone just kind of buttoned it we didn't get carried away we said look we've had a great result against a great team and then we'll uh you know it's not about winning today it's about the next game and that was that was a nice moment I think for us I do remember it I mean obviously we'll talk about um the present day in a moment but I do remember it the Darren Fletcher scored which obviously stopped you getting a clean sheet I don't think anyone was going to say that it's a very good goal and very unlike Darren Fletcher to do that but um I I always remember that game because obviously you won the title on goal difference and typical Sir Alex, I think when it was 3-1, even though we had 10 men, he sort of went for it and you scored like three in stoppage time.

2:35Yeah, real late doors. Edin scored, I think he scored two of them, didn't he? Yeah, it was, I don't think, we didn't play for that. We didn't think our dad's 10 men, let's smash him. But like you said, Sir Alex being how he was, he was never going to give the game up. So there was a little bit of to-ing and fro-ing, but just a bit of the quality. I think David Silva is a pass that he puts in the game and you're like, that's ridiculous. I've listened to a lot of what you've said about the Man City charges how do you look back on those sort of results now are you still very much look that's yeah it didn't even cross my mind talking about it there kind of reminiscing they were good times now look we've got obviously all sorts going on above our heads pending appeal, guilty charge at the moment I think you've got to get into the reality that whether at some point they're going to have some bearing on what's going on in the past, I'm going to have to accept that.

3:28That might be the case, but it'll never change those moments. That's what immediately springs to mind is Vinny saying, company to the boys, clear afternoon, we're going into Hale. So I know that doesn't necessarily put you on your title winning medal or whether you have it or whether you don't have it, but those sorts of things, they make me smile. And I'm out of the game now. I talked about potentially, you've got to talk about it, City might have their title strip, this might, might, might. And that would have been a different conversation for me. If you'd have tried to do that at the time, I'd be a very different animal, I'd be a very different headspace.

4:06But where I'm sat here now with you, career's done, nothing I can do about it. All these sorts of things that are being talked about, nothing I can do about it. They'll be what they are, but the life we lived and the career that I've been a part of, especially at the Manchester City point, it doesn't change for me. It's such a strange time because I love football and the great thing about my job now is I get to talk to people like yourself and Wayne Rooney and you played at the highest level, which is what I would love to have done, like most football fans. But I have to be honest, when I look at that game and I think about David Silva was immense.

4:40You're in goal, Aguero came off the bench, Dzeko, Kompany, Milner, Barry. There was a lot of money spent on that. But at the time, and this is not against you or City fans, but there is that sort of feeling now of that Aguero moment was the worst moment in my footballing life when he scored that goal. And now it's sort of like, well, is it? And also, when I look at the game at the weekend against Villa, you're top of the league with an invincible record at the moment. I'm sort of like, the Premier League has a lot of responsibility on this because it's like, I don't, I think the Premier League's lost its integrity at the moment because we're sort of like looking at City as another good side and sort of going, what's going to happen?

5:25What's going to happen? And I think that I understand a lot of City fans are just waiting for this appeal. I think I'd be in the same situation, but I think there's a lot of fans like myself who are just sort of like, what's going on here? You know, is the last 17 years just going to be, what's going to happen with that? Of course, that's separate, but also every Premier League game week at the moment, I'm sort of like going into it going, well, I always want City to lose, obviously, but I'm sort of like, hopefully Villa will win tomorrow because it doesn't feel right that the Premier League have found City guilty and they're top of the league.

5:59It's a strange situation. No, I get it. And like I say, it is a slightly uncomfortable one. But, you know, this isn't, and I'm not saying you're saying it is, it's not Sunday League. Like, this is a massive billion-dollar, billion-pound business where, unfortunately, we're going to have a lot of lawyers, we're going to have a lot of litigators. That is the industry. What we're seeing with City will be happening every week. Everyone will be getting investigated, all these sorts of claims. Every single deal that goes down will be under scrutiny. But that's above the actual game of football that's getting played out on the pitch.

6:33And that's for those people to deal with. So it's difficult, and obviously City have less of a bad taste in people's mouths. One, because of what's going on. And two, because we've dominated, absolutely smashed everyone over the last couple of years, which is not a nice thing to do. And to have that thought process in the back of your mind that it's done unfairly, we'll have people asking questions, but it still doesn't take away from what the team are doing on the pitch. You know, Aston Villa aren't lining up with a thinking, oh God, he shouldn't be on the pitch. Like the players don't care. They're going, you know, man v man on the pitch, 11 v 11, five changes, coach v coach.

7:07And that's what's happening. And that's what they're being able to handle at the moment. But rightly so, there's something hanging over it right now that needs handling, but it's not easy for the Premier League either. How are they going to handle this? How can you put sanctions in? They've got the right to appeal, of course they've got the right to appeal. City, I've been around it, they believe that they haven't done anything wrong. So that's just going to have to play out in the big boy rooms and everyone else is just going to have to play football and get on with it. Yeah, it's hard, it's really hard and I think everybody's feeling that, but it's good that we can have a grown-up conversation about it because ultimately it is the big elephant in the room at the moment And also it goes back to your era, sadly, where I think a lot of us would say for the City fans and the players, if it does go the way the Premier League have said, then that changes the whole conversation.

7:54And I'm sure we'll have that in future. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

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8:31Let's bring it to the present day and let's move to Manchester United, who I will say, Look, I've always said the rules are the rules. And if you've broken the rules, you must be dealt with. I don't necessarily agree with the rules because I look at Manchester United, who are part of this red cartel, who don't spend money and we're in massive debt. So there's massive problems in football. But the big problem at the moment is for Michael Carrick, destroyed in Como on Wednesday night. What are your thoughts about Manchester United and Michael Carrick? Obviously, it looks like he's going to be in charge for the Bournemouth game.

9:05is that something that you see long-term now or is it the beginning of the end with players coming out and what's going on? Yeah, it's strange how football works, right? Because obviously I should have this huge rival with Manchester United. And of course I do. You know, you line those two clubs up against each other. There's only one team I want to win. But I've got a personal relationship with Michael. I've played with him. I've got so much respect for him as a player and as a person. And I've watched him go into that role and obviously how he took over last year and they kicked on to get Champions League football from where he took over last year was incredible.

9:42But that was tough. That was a tough watch on Tuesday night, it was. And obviously hearing Bruno talking tactically when he interviewed after, Martinez talking previously about the ownership, it's not a good look for the club as the supporters and as the players. But one thing that I can say is that's not like now. Michael wouldn't just be coming in today and doing his press conference and not have spoken. You've got to handle these sorts of things. You've got to have some really big conversations. I'm sure he spoke to Martinez. Him and Bruno have got to get onto the same page because you've got to coach and you've got to live like you are still going to be in this job for years to come.

10:24And to do that, you've got to get control of your players and you've got to get an understanding. Obviously, old school ways, hair dryer treatments, finding people, hanging them out to dry are gone. Those are gone now. You've got to treat people as humans. You've got to let Bruno have his say. You know, when you've got him in the office, you've got to let him have his... You've got to give him the right to say, look, my head was blown off. I was angry. I'd lost my head. I shouldn't or should or shouldn't double down or give him a chance to attract it. Address it in front of the players. You've got to get them in.

10:54There's so many team meetings nowadays. So it's not just a hope we win on Sunday. Michael Carrick will have to come in with a massive energy that's the thing as a coach you can only be hurt, as a player you can mope for two or three days, as a coach you can't you've got to go home, assess it speak to your family, speak to the people you care about and then wipe your face, ready to speak to the media on Friday, he's got to be upbeat, the news conference has got to be what are you all worrying about, we've got this but you've got to believe it internally and that's the massive thing that he's got, all the players have got to believe in him, otherwise it's a really difficult situation for him.

11:30I've said my piece on the United stand and I feel that I really loved Michael Carrick as a player. I don't know him personally, but as a player, absolutely. I think he was the Spanish players talking about how technical he was. I always felt England underrated him and didn't use him enough. But I would say I would change it. We've got huge problems with the players. We've got huge problems with the owners. We've got huge problems with the board. But what can you change? You can change the manager. And it's our worst start in 40 years. Como wasn't a beating. It was a devastating result. Players, Martinez last week, whether it was against Carrick or not, you're still speaking out.

12:14Bruno, the captain, speaking out. It's almost like Mission Impossible for Michael Carrick, who's also very inexperienced as well and is a fan of the club. I think in the fan base at the moment, a lot of people want it to change, but there's huge sympathy for him. but it's sort of like, is it redeemable? Yeah, I don't feel like it's, I feel like a lot of people are on the same opinion as you, but it's not an aggressive one. It's not getting out. We've had that with other managers. Yeah, yeah. But with Carrick, because he's one of our own, it's almost like we look at it and go, we always knew he's inexperienced.

12:45We know he did a good job to get the job, but this job feels like it needs, I don't know. We'll talk about people who could come in in a minute, but it doesn't look like Michael Carrick's the guy that can turn this around. And I don't know, I was going to ask you, as a dressing room, when you sense a vulnerability, whatever that is, inexperience, personality, whatever, I presume a dressing room's got its own characters in there who are sort of like going, this ain't on us, we're not fit enough. It's one of the, like, his actual personal, he's not the coach Michael Carrick, the Michael Carrick will have a big say in how people react to this now.

13:22Because he'll no doubt be making a rallying call, he'll no doubt be asking for a lot more from his players. Now it's all the stuff that you've got in the bank in terms of relationships with those people. Because like you say, the squad's made up of all different types of people with all different personalities and all different kind of aspirations. There'll be some people who've been cast aside who'll be getting a real buzz from this. You know, they'll be smelling the blood, they'll be smelling a new opportunity if a new coach does come in. These are the bench players. Yeah, anything, you know, the politics behind them are crazy.

13:52And then there'll also be the players who know that, you know, they believe in him and he believes in them, who will be saying, look, we've got to pull our fingers out massively as a group. Not as a player, as a group, because we're only going to be able to beat a team like Bournemouth who've just, you know, they're such a together team you're coming up against Bournemouth I know in the past that wouldn't have been seen as that bigger fixture at Old Trafford but you know reality says that Bournemouth are the heavy favourites on Sunday it's going to be a tough tough game and the only way you can beat a team like Bournemouth is if you can match them you know all the levels you know you see how well big win for them they're on a high big win against AC Milan in the week and it'll be a real it'll be a real show it won't be the first five minutes because I've no doubt United will fly at Bournemouth in the first five minutes that first lull that first 25 minutes in are you still going to see the same cohesive team that's going to be the only one that's going to be able to beat a Bournemouth how are they going to deal with if they do concede that lull in the atmosphere who's going to be the first one to put the tackle in the sprint the press and it will say a lot it will say a lot the first half that came on Sunday This is why I would change it Joe because I look at it and I wanted to ask you about this I look at that United side and as much as Michael might not be the right guy and I think it probably should change you still need to bring in somebody of very high standard because I look at that United side as a fan and I go, full-backs aren't good enough.

15:16Centre-backs, Harry Maguire I think has been a great player for us but he's 34 this year, time comes to all of us. De Ligt's coming back from a year out. The midfield is new, we haven't got a striker, the wingers aren't really wingers, the goalkeeper's very young. It's not like Michael Carrick's a bad coach and the team's really good. How do you look at that United side? Because I don't think it's actually like change the manager, they're going to be top of the league. It's like change the manager, he might get them in the top four. Yeah, well, when you put it like that, it's difficult. It's not a dynamic team.

15:50It's a team that would have needed the new signings to hit the ground running. The kind of midfield, the way that they've done it in terms of the top of the pitch and then working back, there's no doubt it's an age in back four. but we've seen successful age in back fours. Senna Lamans has had a lot on his plate, not just the saves, but you need that big personality in goal and I think he's got one. I think he's got a very cool, calm one. It's not necessarily a dominant one. He's not going to be gripping people. He's going to be at his best when he's just running smoothly and everyone knows his positions.

16:25But it's tough, man. Like Harry, you say, coming at 34, he's been a real servant for Manchester United and the Premier League, you know, Hull, Leicester. he has and continues to be a very good player but can he lead that what's expected of Manchester United there's a lot of pressure on him a lot of pressure on him and there's no cohesion between the links between the lines I feel like teams are just other teams are far more energetic they've got more power they've got more running power and they've also got that kind of that part in the season where they believe they believe they can go to Old Trafford they believe they can hurt Manchester United they believe they can silence the crowd and once that starts turning it's very difficult you need a real big team effort and I don't know if I'm seeing it If we don't beat Bournemouth on Sunday I think the noise will just intensify and it probably will be gone if not Monday before the international break Some of the names that have been mentioned Julian Nagelsmann Antonio Conte Eddie Howe if you were making this decision and not doing it from a City fan to sabotages, where would you go next?

17:40Presuming we're not sacking Carrot, we're just saying if he's gone, where would Man United go next? Do you go for the tempestuous experience of Conte? Do you go for the more tactical, younger mind of Nagelsmann? Do you go for the Premier League-proven Eddie Howe? Do you try and spend big money and try and get someone like Unai Emery out of Aston Villa? Or is it just not going to make any difference to Manchester United the way the club is at the moment? It's difficult, me coming into this world, it makes me uncomfortable to talk about someone's job, like Michael. What do I think of those managers that you're speaking about?

18:12I can obviously answer. Nagelsmann I don't know enough about. I know he went into Bayern Munich, he was very young when he went in there, wasn't he? He felt like he really wanted to make a difference and take the club forward, it didn't quite work out for him, but that's a hierarchy that you need to understand. And that's why I think it's a compliment to Vinny Kompany going in, because he was under the same scrutiny. Could he work with the hierarchy at Bayern Munich? He's a brilliant people's person. You're not going to want to hear that. But Vinny's an exceptional man, so I'm not surprised he's done well there.

18:41Conte, I think young Ash was talking about him the other day, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. About running, discipline. It's really well drilled. It's really well drilled. And it's successful when it's done well. You've got that buy-in from the players. And when it's not done well, it's a disaster. And he knows that and he brings that. But it's all about how these guys, if they were looking for a job, how do they interview? Is that what they're looking for? Because Conte seems like the kind of guy who's not going to try and blag you to get the job. This is what I'll do. This is how I'll do it. I'm sure we'll have a huge file saying this is exactly how my training will go.

19:14Day one, day two, post, pre. This is what I expect from the press. This is what I expect from the staff. This is what I expect from the fans almost. He'll have a list of everything that he requires. Will that fit into a team like Man United? If they were looking for a manager, I think it would be very difficult, especially mid-season.

19:34Sorry to interject, but I saw something about Eddie Howe today. And I think what Eddie Howe did at Bournemouth was very, very good. And what he did at Newcastle was very good. And his assistant coach is very charismatic, but I just can't see Eddie Howe and his assistant at Old Trafford. I just think that's a massive... I really do worry about our director of football because I just think he's not a Man United guy. And I think sometimes you need a Man United guy to go. I always remember from Sir Alex Ferguson's book, Brian Kidd, our assistant, came in and said, what do you think of John Hartson?

20:05And John Hartson was a good Premier League striker. And he went, he's not a Man United player. And although Man United aren't very good at the moment, I still think there are certain things that should and shouldn't happen. And I do respect Eddie Howe, but I think that would be... you don't want to make, you want to go for something that's as sure a hit as possible and nothing's sure in football. But I would, I just feel that if Michael's going to go, it's got to be either Nagelsmann who's got that Bayern Munich and distinctive style of play and you give him time. Well, you probably do go with Conte for a short-term fix to just, you know, rip the club apart and rebuild it.

20:41But I don't think there is any quick fix for United. Who's going to get time though? No one gets time. who in your... Arteta did. I know he's a great example and it's come off. But Arsenal did so well with him, didn't they? They let him get rid of Aubameyang, Ozil. They've supported him. You won't get that at night. Yeah, that's what I mean. So what do they need if they're not going to get that time? We need owners like yours that don't break the rules. But seriously, that's probably what we do need. Yeah, allegedly. Well, that is what United need. They do need owners who care about the club, who want to invest in the club and the area, and they want to make Man United a big club.

21:25I think you saw it with, I can't remember, was it Mark Hughes was the manager when the owners came in? Yeah. And he was doing okay, but it was like, we want our people in, we've got our plan. And people talk about changing managers and director of football and players, but we all know if you change your owners, all that naturally will happen anyway. And is that ownership change anywhere near? No, it should be. It's a shame the Premier League aren't investigating them because of what they've done. Plunging a successful, profitable club into debt for personal wealth and they've never put a pound in.

21:59But they're after this new stadium, which is going to make them a lot of money. I don't see an ownership change. Surely they want Man Utd to do well, though. If I presume they do, I just don't think they're very football savvy. Right. I don't think they understand football. I mean, they have spent money badly. They're just so incompetent. They're just so... And do they communicate with the fans? No. So not at all? Not at all. I mean, if you look at it this week, Jason Wilcox did the last interview a year ago when we'd won three games in a row. Yeah. Somebody should be stepping forward and it shouldn't be Michael Carrick.

22:41Michael Carrick's a manager. He's not the CEO. He's not the director of football. is not the owner, somebody should be coming out and saying this is the pathway of the club, but Mourinho said that, he said when I was here, I'm CEO, I'm owner, I'm manager, I'm almost kit man, it's like you have to do everything and that's a huge pressure for an inexperienced coach, isn't it? Yeah, that's not a good business, but these are successful businessmen, they know how to run a good business, I know football doesn't necessarily translate that way, but you've got to communicate. But I think this is where yourselves as ex-players and that I don't think you understand just having been in that world what a skill set it is yeah I think these external business people you know you look at Mike Ashley at Newcastle so Jim Radcliffe um what he's done to Nice which he also owns it's not gone well yeah um but I suppose with uh you know these billionaires probably think because they're billionaires they know a lot of things but sometimes specialisms and I don't know how to replumb my house or wire a plug but I do know I have to do that.

23:40You know what I mean? There's specialism, isn't there?

23:50Time for a bit of goalkeeper chat. Yourself being a top goalkeeper. What are your thoughts on David Rea at the moment? Primarily, he was asked a question this week whether he would consider returning to Spain by the Spanish outlet Marca. He said, I'd love to. I would love to try out La Liga for now. I'm very happy here at Arsenal, but I'd certainly like to experience the Spanish league, very competitive. I could play for a Spanish club, I'm Spanish and I'd love to play there, that's for sure. I mean, one, how would Arsenal replace that? But two, probably understandable because we had this with David De Gea.

24:23There seems to be something with the Spanish national team that you can be the best Spanish goalkeeper but if you're not playing in that league, you do tend to be sat on the bench. Yeah, I think that'll be, it's an isolated quote, isn't it? I think he'll have, I've heard him talk about Arsenal. I've heard him talk endlessly about how much he loves the club, how much he loves Mikel, how much he loves the fans. Now, when you're getting interviewed as much as David Rea is right now, he's one of the best goalkeepers in the world, he's one of the lead men for Arsenal, you're going to say a lot of things.

24:50And he's only speaking honestly. Just because he's an Arsenal player at the moment doesn't mean that he doesn't have aspirations or in his whole life that he plans, he doesn't want to rule out playing in Spain. But I'm telling you right now, he absolutely adores that club and he plays like it and he represents Arsenal incredibly. So I wouldn't want any Arsenal fan to read that quote and all of a sudden think of a little bit of a negative blotch on something that's going so well. He's very appreciative of the energy and the belief they installed in him. He did brilliant at Brentford and he was one of the top goalkeepers in the league but was he going to get that crown if he wasn't playing for the titles or playing in the Champions League?

25:35So he deserved it. Obviously Ramsdale was there. Ever since he's been in, he's been, I've loved watching him. I remember watching him during the COVID year when Tottenham played Brentford behind closed doors in the Carabao Cup, I think it was the semi-final. And I just watched him play and I just watched his energy and his intensity as a goalkeeper. And I wanted to see how he progressed. And he makes so many big saves. He's so sharp. He's so on the ball, like he's so focused. I think he's a great example to young goalkeepers, not because of his brilliance, but because of the way he applies himself.

26:07Any videos, any work, any training videos that I see of him, he's absolutely flying. Now to do that, to be able to do that all the time and be that athletic and that energetic, that means he's an incredible professional because hitting the ground like he is all the time, playing the minutes that he's played means that he's looking after himself. He's the best he could possibly be and that is a compliment and that's what I took from my career. wherever I want to be ranked in terms of where I was on a world stage or a Premier League stage I knew I was the best I could be I used every ounce of my energy, every ounce of my potential and I put it in every single day and David Reyes is doing that and I think he's unlocking new levels all the time he's in the Allianz against the great Manuel Neuer who pulled off that save, I think it was at 2-1 off Bruno Gamera linked it onto the bar and you think that's a marker in goalkeeping and then later on in the half, I can't remember who the shot was, it was a clean breakaway and he made that incredible save to his right which allows Declan Rice to score on the Allianz and keep the momentum, keeping the belief, not getting beat by Bayern Munich in those circumstances and he's right up there on the world stage at the moment and I'm really enjoying his work.

27:17I was just reading this quote from Bruno Gimérez on that save from Neuer. He says, unbelievable save, I was already celebrating, when the game finished I came to him and said, how did you even save that? I mean, that must be the ultimate compliment when a player's thinking they're running away to celebrate. It is, and there's no better feeling because you can only afford, obviously, when Neuer made that save, you couldn't even really enjoy it because he flicks it up, it hits the bar. I think one of his defenders makes an incredible clearance and then the game keeps going. But it's only afterwards when you get those sorts of conversations or those sorts of compliments.

27:51That's a real nice nod, that is a nice nod because he doesn't need to say that. he doesn't need to react like that. And it was a top header. No, he's 40 years old and he's still making big moments like that on the world stage. Like I say, that's even, it adds to that David Rea. I remember when I was a younger player coming up against the greats, you want to impress in front of them and then no doubt they would have had a good conversation after the game, which means a lot. What do you think about the state of English goalkeeping? Because when I was growing up, you had people like David Seaman and Tim Flowers, Nigel Martin.

28:27And Jordan Pickford's been the England goalkeeper for a very long time. I know we've got Trafford coming through now, but there's a lot of good foreign goalkeepers. And I remember when Raya signed for Arsenal and it was Ramsdale. And I used to do a podcast with Ben Foster. And he was obviously very loyal to the English goalkeeper saying, I don't know why they're doing this. I don't know why they're doing this. And Arteta got a lot of stick for it. And I remember saying that Arteta obviously he sees something in Raya that he thinks is better than Ramsdale. And that's been proven right. And there's nothing wrong with that.

28:57That's, you know, you look at where Arsenal are now. But English goalkeeping, do you think there is, do you think foreign goalkeeping technically, the way the game's played now just suits that? Are we doing things the way we should be in England in a coaching? I just think it's a tough school, mate. I think foreign sounds like they're all coming from one country. They're coming from the rest of the world. That's what we're up against as English goalkeepers. Brazilian, Spanish, French. Everywhere. Every single goalkeeper. Japan. There you go, Suzuki. Every single goalkeeper across the planet is vying to be in the Premier League.

29:30You know, okay, no doubt they want to be at the Real Madrid's and the Barcelona's. Those are the sorts of conversations. But if you're not quite at that level or on their radar, you want to be coming to the Premier League. So that's what English goalkeepers are up against. And it's accessible. Not everyone's that known about it. It's not like you're going to have to spend huge money to bring these goalkeepers in. And if you've got a good scouting system and you're looking, like I say, throughout the whole entire world, I think it's more of a compliment than the ones that we have got playing. Because the clubs that they play for literally could bring in anyone they wanted.

30:03Probably up to about£20 million, which buys you a lot as a goalkeeper. A lot. You look at who Hull have bought in. I struggle to say his name, the lad who plays for Greece. I know what you mean, yeah. But he's a brilliant goalkeeper. He was captain for Olympiacos. I think he's in his early 20s. He's a mega goalkeeper and he costs£20 million to a club that's come up. I have no doubt they'll be able to sell him on for however much when he continues with his trajectory and his career. But it's tough. I think English goalkeepers are doing everything they possibly can. The levels are high. Look at Dean.

30:36Dean's a European champion with Palace, FA Cup champion. James has won both cups last year and he's pushing at Leeds. Jordan's just been an absolute servant to the Premier League servant to Everton of course he's always going to have that held could he have gone to a higher level I don't know well I do know if he'd have gone he would have been absolutely brilliant because on the biggest stage playing for England playing in front you know not just the qualifiers playing on the biggest stage in the European tournaments in the world tournaments he's shown and he's stood up against the best in the world but it's just it's such a niche position it's so difficult to get that number one spot and I think it's more of a compliment the boys in the Premier League are able to come up against it because people say foreign goalkeepers it's not and they think it's just one country it's not it's the rest of the entire world that they're up against so it's not easy Yeah I suppose it's a little bit like the England manager job the English managers isn't it it's a small pool but if you can get in there it just shows you how how good you are Talking about how good people are Man City are top of the league at the moment and looking very good what about this weekend, Joe?

31:43Because there's some absolutely cracking games. You've got Chelsea playing Spurs. You've got Liverpool playing Brighton, which is where I want to start, actually, Sunday's game. Yeah. What are your thoughts on Brighton going to Liverpool? And is this sort of the test for them to how realistic their, I suppose, top four, I can't say title myself, but top four ambitions are going to Anfield, who will also be looking at that? Well, I remember watching them against Villa on the opening day and thinking, and obviously Villa were in a little bit of turmoil. But Brighton were in a similar circumstance.

32:16They constantly have that change of players. They had experience going out the door. They had Danny Welbeck, James Milner going out the door. Van Heek as well. Yeah, they had Van Heek. They had, you know, Believer, all these really important players going out of the door, as they do all the time. And they smashed Villa. And everyone went, well, maybe it's just because Villa are in a bit of transition. But then that Arsenal result, you know, They played Arsenal off the part and their energy and the goals that they're scoring at the moment. I think it is a real... They're in that moment where every week's a real test for them because people are going to start noticing them and start placing them like you've just said.

32:53Could they be in a title race? Could they be in a top four race? But I think they look like a team who are just enjoying every moment at this moment in time. They're embracing the Conference League. They're embracing the fact that people are going to get some opportunities who maybe wouldn't. And they're seeing the positive side of that. but you've got to keep it going. I've been one of those teams that's striving to move forward and that Liverpool game, I think they'll go there with so much confidence but you've just got to balance that confidence with the same, you know, not letting it slip how hard you've worked to be in that position.

33:24Don't get complacent and that's why you need a good manager, good coach, good fans and that'll be a good test for them on Sunday, a really good test for Liverpool. I used to do something on this channel called Premier League Predictions so as we go through these games, I'm going to get you to commit. where are you going to go Liverpool, Brighton? I'm going to go I think everything tells me it's going to be a draw but I'll I think Brighton I think Brighton can win on Sunday I'd love it if they did I think it'd be great for the league and as we spoke about at the start there's this uncertainty with what's going on at the top so I think Brighton are quite a good story for the league and obviously as a United fan I'd love them to beat Liverpool I actually think Liverpool will win the only reason is and I'd love to be proven wrong is having seen unfortunately United play Thursday night football a lot which has not happened for City I don't think I don't know whether you ever played Thursday night football oh don't worry we did it I think that's hard I'm hoping it's going to do for Bournemouth as well against us but I think it's hard for Brighton so I'm going to go oh yeah I'll go with Liverpool on that but hopefully we'll get a lot of goals in it your team lunchtime kick-off at Villa Park not a great record there no No, no.

34:36How do you think about that? Really tough game. I rate Villa. I think Nguyen Emery is an incredible coach. I think the way that he's... He deals with adversity and he doubles down with his kind of... You always hear Villa players and people around Aston Villa saying they've just got to understand what he wants from them. And that's so easily said. But he doesn't just expect people to play in press and play in the positions. He works so hard behind the scenes, so hard with his players, so hard with his recruitment. So he doesn't just bring someone in because they're a good player. He'll have spoken to them, he'll have worked them out and worked out how he can get the best out of them.

35:15I think Nicholas Jackson's a great example of that. He looks like a really good player again, like the Villarreal player that Chelsea would have signed. But I'm always going to back City, always. and you know I think giving Haaland a rest the other day I think Phil finding goals is he eligible this weekend? Has he served his band? Not sure if he has I think it was three games for I can't say that I do follow City You do mate I try not to You follow City don't worry about that But I tell you what I will say is I just I watched Elliot Anderson play against us at the back end last season for Forrest and I think he got two assists and I remember Roy Keane vaguely Brian Robson not quite old enough but I said that's a Man United player that's a Man United player and seeing what he's done at City I think a lot of people are£150 million too much he's everywhere for 90 minutes we saw it in the World Cup as well he played Mexico didn't he sort of went under the radar I mean he is and you've got lots of fantastic players but in that engine room I didn't flinch when they signed him you know people I knew I watched him under 21s I went and did the under 21 tournament and we did the final life I was co-coms for it and I just watched him play and I know I know some of the guys are very young in that team and that he was playing against but I watched him play and he's just he just dominated the game but he was a mixture of a dominant midfielder who kind of struts around and also you know kind of kante energy absolutely everywhere and then i thought he was you know going to be like a get it and give it player but he's he's got tricks he's got skills he doesn't use them all the time and then as i've kept my eye on him you know he's got he can score goals as well aggressive as well so aggressive and he's so like monotone you never know you never know what's going on in his head you never know how he's feeling he's already showed that his personality isn't going to be one that will necessarily rally troops with his words.

37:21I don't think he's going to be given these kind of... He's not going to be the guy they put in front of the media the day before a big game because he's just a guy who goes about his business and takes care of it. I've played with players like him who take care of it every single day. He'll be a really top pro. You won't hear anything from him, but when he plays... I'm interested to see if they go with... You know when they struggled a little bit against PSG and they went with Bouadi, Fernandes, and Elliot. So I wouldn't be surprised if we saw that again on Saturday lunchtime. I think maybe Morescu will learn from that because he's getting used to his team as well.

37:57He's brand new to the squad. I know he's been at Manchester City before but he doesn't know all these players, the ins and outs of them. But that'll be a real big test at Villa Park on Saturday but I really back the team to find a way. I'd have to agree. I think City will win. I think Emery's a fantastic coach but I still think he deserves huge credit because he's literally ripped his spine out. It was the goalkeeper, the centre-back, number 10, the striker, Tillemans. So I still think that they've got work to do and up against the City side that is... I mean, I predicted you'd win the league before the season started and before we knew about the Chargers.

38:34So I think City win that. Arguably game of the weekend, Chelsea-Spurs. I think this is really interesting. what are your thoughts on Chelsea because I mean look what I didn't mention about Brighton is they're 15-0 in their last few games 15 goals non-conceded they've scored more goals than anybody but Chelsea look like a really entertaining side but there's a vulnerability to them defensively Spurs look like a team that should be doing a lot better but weren't scoring goals but again both managers probably deserve time in relation to big projects yeah yeah and I think Chelsea have obviously had their problems you know I think if you felt like you do about Man United, about Chelsea, I think you'd have similar concerns and similar sorts of things going on.

39:23And if you're invested in that, which I'm not as invested as Chelsea, but I see it and I think I really like the Xavi Alonso appointment. I really do. I think he went in, obviously he was at Leverkusen, did an incredible job and then went to Real Madrid. It's a bit too soon, right? Which was a dream move, but that's a real political beast, that. And you've got to be able to play the game. And I think Xavi Alonso would have been one of the first coaches to come in and kind of pick players, not with their names on their back, but with numbers and play systems. And those players would need to fit to his system.

39:59And that's not quite how it works at Real Madrid. And that's why people love Real Madrid. That's why they are the mega force that they are. They are very Galactico-driven. And that didn't work out. And that's absolutely fine, it happens. But this kind of Chelsea project off the back of them, not quite knowing what direction they're going in, I think he's a very clear direction in what he wants. And if they do give him time, he's got the front players playing how they're playing. Tightening up at the back is obviously something that's... They'll be working on tirelessly. I mean, Martinez coming in was a huge sign.

40:30He's going to be missing, but Mike Penders will play this weekend. But I think they're a really exciting project. I like the Welbeck and the Henderson moves. I think they're smart, I think this real comes away from buying young and giving people 10-year deals and keeping that energy in the dressing room. But you've got to put it together quickly, the Premier League waits for no one. And De Zerbi, I think that win was so big, who'd have thought that a 3-1 win against Coventry on a Monday night would have been so big for that stadium. But they need it, they really, really need to push on now. He did well to keep them up last year, which he never thought he'd be saying, but he did.

41:09they've made big investment, but I see Chelsea winning that one. Yeah, I think we played Spurs a couple of weeks ago and I was impressed with them, but they couldn't put the ball in the back of the net. I think when they do start doing that, they're from a good side. They're decent, you know, they're not all over the shop. They seem like they're running together, working together. They're just not, they just can't quite find a way to get over the line. But that would have felt big on Monday. I think I'll go Chelsea just for the home advantage and the fact that they can put the ball in the back of the net.

41:39One thing I wanted to ask you, City at the top at the moment, Arsenal will be as champions fighting for that. Do you see a Chelsea or a Liverpool or maybe a Brighton? I'd like to say United, but that's just silly. Title aspirations, Chelsea not playing in Europe. I know at the start of the season it's easy to say, well, it's a new project, but that might help. We benefited from that last year with Michael Carrick, only playing one game a week. Is that too soon for Chelsea or do you see it's just Arsenal and City for you? No, there'll be so much that will go on in this Premier League and Arsenal and City have still got their wobbles, which no one goes through faultless.

42:20I think Brighton, like I say, are really going to have to handle expectation and really remember who and what they're working for and they've shown no signs of blinking at the moment. They're enjoying it. You can see the energy that they play with. The subs that they come on have got that energy. They're like, I want to impact the game rather than, oh God, I'm coming on a sub. so you've got to balance that mode Liverpool I think obviously with Barcola if Isaac starts scoring like he showed he can at the start of the season like he did at Newcastle he's a Premier League contender kind of striker because no matter how you play as long as you've got someone banging in 20, 25, 30 goals you've got a chance but the strongest squad's out there by an absolute mile at Arsenal and City Chelsea like you said, Gael Pedro looks deadly Cole Palmer looks like he's got his energy back.

43:09They will be a threat, but I think as far as title contenders go, it's those two at the moment. We're both going with Chelsea, but talking about Arsenal, that'll be a busy afternoon for Jordan Pickford. Yeah, no doubt. We know how Moyes is going to set up over there. It's going to be trying to sap the energy out of Arsenal. Obviously, a big night in the Allianz. They've expended a lot, and he'll be aware of that. He's a smart coach, David Moyes. He knows he's not going to go there and try and blow Arsenal off their own pitch. they're a really good team but Everton are so resilient I think they lost only to Chelsea the other week and that was still a tight game but yeah, George is going to have to be on it he knows he's going to have to be on it but he kind of revels in those sorts of games he revels in those sorts of stadiums where Arsenal at the moment every single game seems huge but you can feel those lulls in those stadiums if they don't score early the Emirates I've played in it were in big games and honestly you can't hear yourself think but if you can just quieten that crowd and leave them kind of thinking about what's going on in the past or what's going on in the future.

44:10That's where Everton can hurt them. But I don't think they'll have enough on Saturday. Yeah, I'll go Arsenal as well. I'd say maybe 1-2-0. Didn't ask you about Man United-Bournemouth. I'm going to go Man United win just because we need to win. A lot of people would disagree with that. Do you disagree with that? Bournemouth good against AC Milan Thursday night, last night. Very energetic side. but are missing arguably two of their best players in Scott and Krupe. Yeah. They're going to come in on a high. Is it as big a game for them as it is Manchester United? I don't think so, but that doesn't change anything.

44:49It's about how they can navigate the first. I think United will come at them. I think they will. I think Michael, for whatever's going on behind closed doors, and whether he's the coach or whether he's a proper guy and he's been in dressing rooms and he knows how to get a dressing room up. Like I say, those conversations will have to have gone on. You know, whether it'll be key whether he's made up with Bruno and whether they're on the same page and he starts or whether he feels like he's got to throw a line in the sand and say you're not starting. Would you drop Bruno Fernandes for what he's done there?

45:25Whether you've been a player at that level but also maybe if you're the coach, would that be enough for you to drop him? I wouldn't drop him for a head loss after a 4-1 loss. I wouldn't. But it would be how the next day or the two days after when we're sat face-to-face and we're talking on a level. And Michael will have to say, look, I know I'm your manager, mate, but I've been you. I've played in successful teams. So you need to talk to me honestly here, what you're thinking. Are you really coming for my tactics? Are you defending yourself? are you trying to deflect? So it'll be dependent on that conversation.

46:01I wouldn't drop anyone for a, well, unless it was really outrageous, for a post-match outburst. Because the emotions are running so high. They know what's going on and that frustration that you feel on the pitch. And Bruno, he's never claimed to be a saint. He's never claimed to be the most diplomatic person ever. You've seen the way he carries himself on the pitch. And you've got to love him for that and you've got to embrace him for that. but that conversation that they'll be having over the next couple of days and if it doesn't go the way that Michael wants it to go then he'll have to make an example it'll be a huge statement if Bruno doesn't start but like I say, I wouldn't just drop him for what he says after the match one, he's far too important in Manchester United you need to find a way for him to be happy and for him to work but if you can't do that then you have to make statements

47:06Welcome to Six of the Best, brought to you by Super 6. This week, we're going to be discussing the best goals from the halfway line. We have 10 to choose from. OK, Joe, we're doing six of the best with Skybet here, and we're looking at goals from around the halfway line. I don't think technically all of them are. We've got to rank six out of these 10. going through them we've got Diego Gomez versus Palace which was last week Caicedo against Bournemouth Naeem for Arsenal 95 which is David Seaman I think he went in the goal with it Beckham Wimbledon remember that one of course Alonso Newcastle Harper like had a wheel spin didn't he trying to get back in yeah questions on the goalkeeper there Wayne Rooney against West Ham twice twice yes One was against me, though.

47:56OK, we'll get your thoughts on that one. Charlie Adam against Chelsea. Patrick Schick against Scotland. I remember that one in the Euros. Stankovic against Schalke on the volley in the Champions League with his leg about as high as his head. And Goncalves versus Arsenal. One touch after crossing the halfway before letting loose with his right foot and scoring one of the best goals in Europa League season. A lot of sport in. Yeah, yeah. Start with the Rooney one, then, because you're in goal for that. Talk us through it. you obviously know him well. He's such a good player. And do you know what?

48:29From playing with England all the time, he'd always try things. I think he talks about it. So if you were off your line against Wazza, he'd shoot. If he felt like he could chip you from a funny angle, he didn't care. He didn't care about the wrath of his manager. He was off the cuff. And then through ball, I came out, I made the tackle, and I saw he was six, seven yards in his own half, and it was bobbling at him. and I knew I couldn't get back and I knew he was going to take it on so it was just whether he shanked it or not and he just hit this strike, he hit this half volley and it just went phew and I've kind of, I've seen it up and I knew I couldn't make an attempt, there's no way I can make an attempt so I just kind of had to watch it and Angelo Agbona was trying to cover my back, fair play, and he threw a hand out at it actually but that was a work of art, the strike, the way it just rose, yeah, what can you do sometimes, you know, like I say, I came out, tackled, my clearance went into their half and I still got beat.

49:26So that's world class in my opinion. I was going to say in relation to all of these as a goalkeeper, is there any that sort of jump out where you think the goalkeeper could have done better or is it just sometimes, like you said there, you're out of position? I think the Harper ones, obviously against Xavi Alonso, he slips. So I think Adrian's against Wayne again kind of hits it on the volley and I know what Upton... I hate to be a keeper defender here, but it was a windy day. So Adrian, he's struggling to his right and then it seems it changes and you almost feel drunk at this point when it's above your head and you're running backwards.

50:04So it's, yeah, the Seaman one, I was absolutely gutted. I was a huge David Seaman fan when I was growing up, being the England goalkeeper. I remember sneaking in, watching it in my parents' room because it was late at night and I was young and just being absolutely devastated. Devastated. but some of these you know the Charlie Adam one that's against Thibaut Courtois and it was absolutely brilliant like he was capable of that he was one of those players he had a left foot and then I look at all the others how did you say his name Gon Gon Chalvez I think maybe might be right might be wrong I'll let you go that was a thing of beauty as well yeah I liked the the Schick one Scotland I know it was not a full stadium in the Euros because it was probably because of Covid but But it was sort of maybe not a massively fashionable game, but I do remember it.

50:52It was a great goal. And the Gomez goal the other day was an actual thing of beauty. It's such a good zing. I think he tried it the week before as well. So he's one of these players that now will be on goalkeeper's radars. So you did have it. You'd be up with players you're encouraged to do nowadays. But when it does drop to them, you do have to turn on your... You have to give certain players different amounts of respect with what they can do. Let's do our six then. I mean, for me, I would always go number one, David Beckham. Iconic, brilliant, young player at that time as well. I mean, he was not the David Beckham that we all know and idolise.

51:29As I talk about it, that would not have been encouraged. Like, if you do that and you don't do it well, you're getting it. I think Beckham said Sir Alex Ferguson would not want you to do it. He'd go mad at you. And I just thought, I fancy it and I did it. He nailed it. Yeah. So I put Beckham at number one. Yeah, I'm happy with that. Any jump out at you for number two? Because I'm going to definitely ask you out of the two Rooney ones. No, his against mine was far. Because Adrie got beat. He was at an angle. It was windy. But his one against me was pure. There was nothing. It dropped to him and he just absolutely nailed it.

52:06It rose half ollie. That's one of the best goals I've conceded. We'll put Rooney in at two then. Yeah. You said that you liked the Charlie Adam one. Charlie Adam against Thibaut Courtois caught him off his line Courtois is massive he's hard enough to beat at the best of times but from your own half that's yeah that was some feat we'll go him at three then four the one the other day I thought the Gomez goal was a beautiful strike I think it was a perfect goal five Naim's was a final wasn't it yes it was it was a cup final to do that was it Zaragoza or something like that yeah yeah yeah cup winners cup in the dying minutes of extra time heading to penalties.

52:49It's a winner, isn't it, as well? You want Schick in there? You seem to be happy with that one. It was technically brilliant, wasn't it? Yeah, we'll go 9-5. Euro stage as well. Yeah, and Patrick Schick, number six. That was Super 6, six of the best. Don't forget to enter your Super 6 predictions on the app for a chance of winning£1 million. 18 plus, terms and conditions apply.

53:17We spoke about the Champions League game. Just wanted to get your thoughts on a topic that everyone seems to be talking about at the moment, which is the Ballon d 'Or. We're sort of approaching that time. I think the big candidates for it are Yemal, Mbappe, Dembele, Harry Kane, Elisa. Where would you be going on that? What's the criteria? Because obviously, I think... Well, you tell me. What do you think the Ballon d 'Or criteria should be? because some people think it's about you've got to win something with your national team and your club. Win a league, but I don't agree with that. I think ideally you have a league winner and a World Cup winner winning it.

53:58Now, who fits that category? It's going to be Spanish. Yeah, it's Jamal. Obviously, Rodri didn't win the league with Manchester City, but he obviously starred in the World Cup. but I don't think you know Jamal came into that tournament a little bit a little bit cold off the back of an injury he was obviously a very important part but he didn't you know it wasn't quite like a Lionel Messi four years previous and Harry Kane just his Harry Kane's just been phenomenal he's absolutely phenomenal what all these players are that's the mad thing you know you speak to young people and you say oh I think he should win it they think you're saying that the other guys aren't good enough like they're all elite level they're all the some of the best players on the planet I wouldn't I wouldn't know how to quantify it and put it into who wins it, rightly so.

54:46But I look and obviously I'm very much Harry Kane biased here. I've played with a guy, I know him. He's a brilliant player, he's a brilliant person. And I think he's ticked enough boxes to be right up there in that conversation. And I'd be delighted if he picked up that trophy because he took England, Mbappe would argue. Mbappe's going to win it at some point, of course he is. I don't think Real Madrid won, they didn't win anything last year he starred in the World Cup he's a top player but Harry did exactly the same, scored the goals, semi-final finished third, I know that's not no one's going to write home about that but in the history books they finished third in the World Cup which is England's highest place since 1966 so for me I want and I believe Harry will win it Yeah I think, I would agree, I think it would be we've got to be biased, it would be brilliant for English football to have an English Ballon d 'Or winner and also when he was at Spurs I think I always thought he was a top class striker but having watched a lot of the Bundesliga what he's done at Bayern Munich is the top of the game and it's not just the goals it's the assists it's the consistency and when Lewandowski was doing it there people were talking about him for the Ballon d 'Or so Harry Kane is not doing it for Spurs which some people might look down on he's doing it for Bayern Munich he's doing it for England and I don't think the criteria needs to be, well, he did win the league with Bayern and he did get to a semi-final with England.

56:11So I think the criteria should be who is the best player in that 12-month period consistently and he apparently is the bookies' favourites anyway. Is he, yeah? So I think it'd be brilliant, brilliant. You know, my son plays, I'm sure, you know, lots of people watching this have got kids playing and I think when an English player wins the Ballon d 'Or, it's like when the Lionesses won for women's football, isn't it? It'd be a great, great thing for English football and he deserves it. He's a great role model. I just think also, you know, I look at like Yomel and Mbappe and how they play and they're electric, aren't they?

56:42You know, and Dembele. But Harry Kane's brought a different flair that we never saw coming. Like the way that he can, when you see his number nine pop up at centre half or the other night when he took a goal kick, like that pass was absolutely outrageous. So he's bringing something else to the game. You know, when you can say, oh, someone does a skill, that's Yomel. now you've got the kind of ruthless finish of Harry but you've also got those trademark those almost Steven Gerrard like passes the weight on the pass for the assist for Alphonso Davies that's a special special player and he's almost tapping into all different if Messi did that and rightly so it's revered it's unbelievable what a talent but he's not only doing that he's taking goal he's zipping in goal kicks like Edison would and then he's also up the other end the penalty he scored the other night it's a high pressure penalty and he just executed it so well.

57:34He's an immaculate player. Yeah, and we need to hype him up as much as possible because we need more English strikers. We do. Because when he retires, I'm a little bit worried about what's going on behind. I know, I know, yeah. The kind of wide position's a lot more glamorous now, but I think he's showing that you can make a hell of a career being a number nine. Yeah. Cheers, Joe. Absolute pleasure. That's flown by. There we go, mate. Enjoyed it. Thank you very much.

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