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4:02Yeah, and there's a movie about him coming out. Yeah, what a life. Yeah, it's mad, isn't it? What's your favourite Stallone movie, Tim? Rocky. Got to be right. Which one? I know which one. I love four. Do you? I can't watch it after two. He ends the Cold War in Rocky IV. Rocky III was good, though. Mr. T. That was good. All good, doesn't it? You know when he'd run up the steps and all the kids followed him? That was like Ginola going into a nightclub and all the... That was like you. All the wind was bothering him. And he was running up behind him.

4:41We're back with another Overlap Daily brought to you by Sky Vegas. Today on The Daily, we're chatting Man United, Ten Hag, Rio and Gamora, Harry Kane, the Ballon d 'Or and plenty more. Hope you enjoy it.

5:10What about Rio last night? He lit it up. Was that the moment? We know he's got it. We know he's got the bit about him. He's had a few, hasn't he? He's had a few. What was your moment? Did you have a moment when you went, this is it, I'm a writer? I'm not really sure. I think I was like a slow burner. Do you know what I mean? I was allowed, putting the team at Watford, allowed to be shit, do you know what I mean? Because there was no one else, put me in again, do you know what I mean? Kevin Keegan, I wouldn't have a chance. Kevin Keegan, and then I was a little bit better, a bit average, and then become good in the end, you know what I mean?

5:43Or not fantastic, ever. So I never thought there was like this light bulb moment when I thought, well, yes, I've arrived here, you know? I always had the belief that I could, but I knew that I needed the opportunity, and thankfully I got given that by. Dave Bassett. It was fantastic. For him to get that job and give me that opportunity. And Watford was a great breeding ground for young players. Yeah. When Rio was about... Because my son was at Chelsea with Rio. Yeah. And I used to watch him in games and training. And his brother... It was interesting to listen to Daniel Sturridge yesterday. I like Daniel a lot.

6:21But he was talking about, like, he's got God-given talent. And it just stuck in my mind. And I went, he has, of course. He's been given something. He's been given balance and technique. but I've never seen anyone work harder on their game than what his brother did with him. His brother used to do individual coaching. So I was like, can you turn my little boy into that? I used to come over to the house sometimes and we'd do sessions, get him in the garden for an hour and Rio would go through cones. Honestly, Tim, you've never seen anything like it. It was, I look back at my phone at the videos, it's like someone's put it on fast forward.

7:00It's just gone. You know when you've got that thing on the phone? What's that called on your phone where you can make it go time-lapse? It's like time-lapse. He is going through these cones. So explosive. And his brother was so good at doing it. And you've got to, don't be wrong, you've got to still have, because it's like anything, you could have one boy that you could take in the garden. Like, well, two brothers. I'm here, my brother. My dad would go at me, go in the garden, do your keep-ups. I'd go in the garden, do a thousand. Mark would go, can't be bothered. Yeah, yeah. And you've got to be dedicated.

7:29You've got to be dedicated. You've got to be so driven, like, almost a little bit. I don't, I don't, I never buy into that natural. I hate when people say natural goal scorer. When you're born like that, when you go and your missus gives birth, you go out there, boys, girls, natural goal scorers. I ain't that buying that. It's all, it's like, you're born with physical attributes. Yeah, yeah. It's nature and nurture. It's a good one, isn't it? That helps you. What do you reckon, though, when Messi came out? No, no, what do you mean? But three or four, he must have just gone, little things with the ball, surely.

7:56Do you know why he's so good? because he was like Bonasarius and they're kicking shit out of him, his brothers in an alleyway, kicking a stone around. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's why he can move his body and shift his weight different directions. He ain't born like that. No. He's born with... I think you're born in it. I don't know. Naturally. Yeah. Physical output. Yeah, of course. I mean, he can be a rugby player. Rio definitely. But I remember having my sort of... At Liverpool, it was sort of reminding me this morning when I was driving in about Rio. and my moment came. We were playing Southampton.

8:29I'd signed, I was sort of, Graham Sooners was the manager and I was just starting to get into the team because when he took over, he just like practically ignored me. I made my debut in Europe, did okay and I sort of went in and out of the team and there was a moment we were playing Southampton and Terry Urlock's playing midfield, trying to kick lumps out of me at Anfield. He was great, honestly. He was great, but not that great at the time, honestly. Someone like that Bottman tackle, he was just doing those on me like every 10 minutes and anyway, I'm doing well, we're one all and you know what it's like, I wouldn't say I was in the zone, I was playing really well 10 minutes to go, makes a sub, look over, it's me coming off and I was like, fuck it, and my dad always used to say to me if you get left out or you get taken off, give it to the manager he said, the managers don't like it, don't just accept it, just don't, next day knock on the manager's door so Graham takes me off, anyway, as I'm walking off, Ronnie Moran gives me the coat.

9:23I threw the coat back at him, but it lands on Sui's feet. I'm like, oh no, what am I doing? I'm looking now, we've got five minutes to go, and I'm thinking, oh my God, they're going to get in the dressing room, he's going to kill me. This is it, I'm done. I've got one game, well, a couple of games and I'm out. Anyway, it stays 1-1, we go in there, Sui's feet. He goes, oi, Jamie, come here. So I'm like, oh no. I go and sit next to him. He went, I like that. You've got a bit about you. he said, you're playing on Saturday. And we played the Saturday. We beat Chelsea 2-1. I didn't actually play that well, but I scored a scrappy goal right at the end, past Dave Best, and slid it in the back post in front of the Kop.

10:01Yeah. And, like, you cannot, even as I say, you know, like goosebumps, scoring a goal in front of the Kop, winning goal. And I thought, yeah. Like you, I always had confidence in myself, but that was a moment when I thought, yeah, I mean, I've arrived here. It must be difficult in front of that. They're expecting that crowd. I mean, a lot of them are used to the team winning. Especially in your day. I mean, they'd just won everything, didn't they? And then you're in a generation where you're in a rebuild. So it must have been difficult at a young age to go in there. Yeah, especially you get signed for a lot.

10:31And the same with Rio. Rio went from Chelsea. I went from Bournemouth. And the expectations, Dad sells you. And what about off the field? Was you all jacko after that? Was that you? I was a little bit large, yeah. Out in town thinking you made it. I was having it. I can't laugh. I didn't drink. I wasn't a drinker then. But no, I think I probably went to the Conti that night. Yeah, I was struggling about. John Barnes used to, but then I wasn't allowed, because the Continental was the nightclub I used to go to. Remember, you know the film? I remember the Continental, I remember. Did you go? Yeah.

10:59That was great, wasn't it? Yeah. It was, what's the good, not good fella, Scarface. You know Scarface with a nightclub? Yeah. And it's sort of down. The whole booth, yeah. Yeah, everyone would dance, and the girls dance around in their bags. When you'd make, you knew when you'd made it as a footballer at Liverpool, when you used to go upstairs, because that's where John Barnes and Ian Rush used to just, like, look over the top, and it was like one of them, and they'd look down and they'd give you a little wave or whatever. I wasn't ready for that, but a couple of years later, Johnny Barnes said, give me the finger, come on, you're ready now.

11:28It was almost like you're getting waved on to play. That was it, that was your moment. Was Johnny the best player you ever played with? Yeah, my hero. I've got to be honest, mate. Yeah, I had pictures of John when my war was a kid. How good was he? Tight shorts, he loved those tight shorts, didn't he? How good was he? You was at Watford, yeah. And he's still my hero now. Just in awe of him, I mean ability. I mean, I've had it when I was at Tottenham, he's to say, talk to lads about John Barnes. Who? I'm like, no. Imagine him playing now. Don't ever say that to me again. Get on that computer and try and find some footage of John Barnes.

11:59I know. Amazing. Such a beautiful footballer. And the top man too.

12:09Man United right now, it's Coronation Street, isn't it? It's just a soap opera. Yeah. The noise around that club, I don't think it's helping, Michael, I don't think it's helping the owners. I don't think it's helping Jason Wilcox. But they sort of quietened it up a little bit with that point against Leeds. And all of a sudden, big Eric comes in. He steams in with a piece in the Athletic. His time is perfect, isn't it? I mean, to cause mayhem. Yeah. I mean, he's obviously planned this. Maybe he's signed a non-disclosure with a club where he couldn't talk before now. It's probably two years, isn't it?

12:39And all of a sudden, he's unloading. I mean, he took charge in 2022. too. When you look back, I remember thinking, he's so bad. But then he ends up winning the Carabao Cup and the FA Cup. He had some good moments. Under 28 games, 70 wins, 23 draws, 35 losses, 55 % win rate. I think what done him is, you know when a manager, and I remember Jamie Carragher actually saying it at the time, he said he signed a one-year extension after they won the cup final, but he was sacked in October. You almost knew it was pointless, but they felt, because he'd won the cup final, I think if he loses it, they get bit of him because he won it but what do you do you've got to give him a new contract he spoke about a toxic culture and player power but is that not every club now and how you manage that the game's different jay you know what it's like you know it's incredibly different you know that gone are the days i mean if he if you could show the boys now if they took a look back at 20 years 30 years ago and they looked into the dressing room and saw what happened on a day-to-day basis can you imagine can you imagine how shocked they'll be i know i mean they spend the whole time staring at their phones, you know, after training.

13:43I mean, after games, before they've even had a shower, they're on their phones. It's incredible, the culture now. They would look back. They'd think they were looking through a window at Belmarsh or something like that. They'd think, oh, I ain't having nothing to do with that. I mean, it was completely different. You had to be tough, didn't you, to live in that environment. Even players, player power was existing. I remember there was a situation with one player. There was a manager that was leaving, who he got the sack, and he interviewed this player after. and as he's driving out the training ground, they said to him, you know, is it true that you've got the manager's sack?

14:15And this fella, this player said at the time, it would be unfair for me to take all the credit. Who was that? What a genius guy. Oh, Tim Sherwood. It would be unfair for me to take all the credit. Who was that? Roy Hudson. Yeah, Roy. I love Roy. I know you do. And I learnt so much from Roy, but he went on a, there was a show called The Sunday Supplement. It was live on Sky. Jimmy Hill used to do it. And he'd come out, I remember watching it on a Sunday morning and he got relieved of his duties and he blamed me for being too instrumental with the players and with Jack Walker. No, not at all. I mean, about a month before building up to it, I went in to see him because the boys, you know, his methods were different.

15:00You know, we did a lot of tactical stuff. 18 months ago, we won the Premier League. So we were spending a lot of time looking at the opposition. And I went to see him and said, look, Roy, you know, the consensus of the players, not me, I quite like what we're doing. No, I'm joking. We were all together. But we've had a meeting and, you know, just maybe can I suggest that we light it up a little bit. And he was a captain. He was like, sure, sure. He wasn't opposed to it. Just nodding his head. But then he comes out with this one. So it was just a little thing. Light high. Yeah, it's got in the ribs.

15:36It was one in the ribs. So, Eric, if you look back at his time there, would you say success or failure? He'd spoken about the recruitment, didn't get the players that he wanted. Why is success or failure at Manus United now? I mean, Michael Carrick would take what he's won, wouldn't he? Just a bit. He would take that this year. Just a bit. What Eric's won. I never thought he was the answer. I never, ever did. I never thought he was the answer, because I think his personality wasn't fantastic. And I think you have to have a personality if you're going to manage my own situation. Unless you've got the best players and you're winning every week.

16:09And like I always say, you're right as a manager. I think he lacks personality. I mean, he's had a guy like Gary Neville, but listen, of course you're not going to have a guy like Gary. Gary's the guy. He's the best. Gary's the best. He's my favourite. Could you think of anyone that you'd rather work for than Gary Neville? Never. No. Only a million years. Jack Walker and Gary Neville. But no, this is what he said. There is a part of United's history, and they do not always know what's going on. Football evolves. For United, it's clear. They had great contributions. They achieved massive results, trophies for the club and for themselves.

16:43I respect them. Of course, they have podcasts. They have their models. Sometimes it's difficult for players. Some of them get affected by it, get annoyed by it. So he's talking about how what we say in the media could affect players. I get that. I get that. It's not easy. Yeah, I do. I think when I look, it's very similar to what the United players are going through now. It's the same to what we went through. You spoke about it in the 90s. We took on, say, McMahon, Whelan, Rush, Barnes, all these players that had won every title, and then we came in and we didn't achieve what we should have done.

17:12So we got a lot of stick. Every single match of the day would be Mark Lawrence and Alan Hansen. They used to just hammer us. Did you listen to it? Yeah, you can't help it. Did it affect you? Yeah, sometimes. There was a few things I felt Mark Lawrence and a couple of times said, that's a bit personal, but I got on with it. Did you ever pull him on it? No, I don't have any idea, but I had to work with him after. But it does affect you. I'd say you got over it. Yeah, it was only 30 years ago. But no, I do. I think sometimes we have a duty to be a little bit mindful and careful what you say about players.

17:47But there are also sometimes when it's like, when I see Gary and Roy, I think it drives them mad. They want to see success again with United. As long as it's not personal. No, exactly. I don't think it gets personal. I would never... Have you ever had a situation where you've said anything to someone or anyone's pulled you on something you've said? No. No, I genuinely haven't. No, I genuinely haven't. I just say it from the heart. I just say what I mean and what I say at the time. And if I feel like I've made a mistake, then I'll rectify it in the end, you know? And I think Pedro Porra is a good example.

18:15When he first came to Tottenham under Antonio Connery, he was having him as an out-and-out right back, a Gary Neville-type right back, and he couldn't do that. He used to switch off, make him runs off the inside, the outside of him, and he just wanted to play forward. But now Tottenham, he's injured at the moment, but when he plays on the front foot, there's no one better. No one better as a right-sided player. So I'd go back and say, back then, I stand by what I said. But now, I think he's progressive. I think he's an excellent right-sided player. And they would do very well to keep him. Yeah.

18:43You said last week you think that Tottenham will finish above May 9th. Do you still think that? Yeah, I think so. Really? I think they'd get the confidence. I was impressed with commentary. I thought I was unlucky in the game. Obviously, he's got a few players back now. Al Maddison, what a wonderful night for him for that fantastic first goal. I do. I mean, if you look at it, I mean, we had a little chat about it. If we try to pick a combined side, there's more Tottenham players in there, isn't there? Between us than Manchester United? Let's go for it. Goalkeeper? I'm going to give it to Lamens.

19:11Even though Kinski's done brilliantly after that debacle. Yeah, I'll go with Lamens too. Right back, Madrid. Right back, Porro. Porro. Centre-backs? Mickey van der Ven and Van Heek. Sanessi even? I think you were those three, really, couldn't you? but you'd better head at Maguire and Martinez. Left back? Shaw? I would have... And Doggy? Yeah, I'll go Shaw. Would you? I'll go Shaw, yeah. I think so still. I think Doggy's got so much. He's still up and down for me. I'll go with Shaw. I like Shaw. I think he's had a fantastic career. But I think if you asked him for a swap now, they would take. Midfield three?

19:45Bruno has to be in there. Bruno's only world-class. Bruno's only world-class. I would go Belaber. He's only genuinely world-class player in the combined squads for me, Bruno. So would you go Belaber? I would have Tonali. Tonali, Belaber and Fernandes. And then I'd have front three. I would have... This is where it gets difficult. Very difficult because it's bang average. No real elite. I'd have Kudos. On the right, yeah. Over Acuna or Embermo. Embermo up front? Or Slanky? I would possibly have... I wouldn't have Slanky. No, I wouldn't have Slanky. And I think he would get some... It's a shame he never...

20:20I can't remember him having a chance, haven't I? he scored the goal against and he keeps going so you go in Burmo then I think in Burmo now the left because this is there's a player that I'm going to because Marcus Rashford probably had his best spell under Ten Hag going back to him and but I would have him but then also he'd frustrate your life out of you because if you talk about talent wise he's probably the most talented out of all that group and a lot of people go what do you mean he's like he's frustrating he's too up he's too down but on his days unbelievable I just wish sometimes just need someone to extract and just talk to him and say how can we get you back remember that season under the town hard how many goals did he get Kieran it was late 20s wasn't it late 20s and he was unplayable he got a new contract something changed but this is the problem with sometimes we're young players but who else would you pick on that left side we've got Savio as an option you've got Kounia as an option 30 goals it was 30 goals see I'm having Marcus yeah I'm having Marcus Pretty frustrated.

21:22I just backed myself to get the best out of him. Yeah. We want to talk about Ronaldo, Tim, because he's had a pop at him as well this year. He's had a bad run, hasn't he, Ronaldo? He's not quite got this last sort of... You feel like it's the last time he's losing his sleepover. Well, if you look at how Messi did it with so much dignity in class, and then you see, OK, I'm going to do the complete opposite now. This is what it feels like Ronaldo's doing. Do you think, Ron, he's just holding on to it? Do you think he's just... Well, there you go. Yeah. A little bit. No, no, it feels... I don't want to be disrespectful.

21:49And he don't want to because he loves it so much. Of course, exactly. And you've got to love him for that. Yeah, 100%. But Ten Haag mentioned about even at his time there that he didn't train very well. He was trying to tell the players, save it for the games. And that's something that, oh, I think it was Gary Neville who talked about it. He said, you could put too much water on the flowers. I think that was his analogy, as if you could do too much in training, like save yourself for the games. That's fine with the 19-20, but when you're like probably a little bit older, you've got to work. And you certainly can't expect the other players that haven't got your ability to do that.

22:18So he was difficult for Tenard and he's definitely been difficult for this new Portugal manager. But they hit him where it hurts. Did you see that fine? I know. That's out of order. That is absolutely diabolical liberty. How much was it, Kieran? £214, wasn't it? Yeah,£214. That's out of order. Nice. I mean, how's he going to survive? That's like giving Man City£500 ,000 fine. I do think, though, Jay, he deserves special attention. You do? Yeah. I think you're laughing. I can see a little giggle coming. I don't. Oh, go on then. No, I don't. Why should he? Because he's Cristiano Ronaldo. He's special.

22:52He is special. Yeah, we know that. Of course he is. And I think you've got to treat him differently. And as a manager, you've got to get the best out of him. And if you feel like you ain't got another option, Jay, if you feel like you've got another option better than him up there, then let him do what he wants. Yeah, but do you not think... I think everyone in the dressing room will look up and say, you know what? Fair play. You know, he's done what he did. I remember your dad. I remember your dad, right? And me and Paul Merson were playing at Portsmouth, back end of our careers. and we're doing very well.

23:19We're flying in the championship. And I remember we walked across to training once and we used to train two or three times a week. And Harry just let us get on with it. He trusts us. We'd look after ourselves off the pitch. I don't know why he trusts Merce for that. And me, to be fair. But we did. We were professional and we knew when the game started we had to get on with it. And Gary O 'Neill, who's managing now at Ipswich, as we're walking across, he says, oh, nice boys for you to turn up. and Harry go, what the fuck do you say? And he goes, well, I was just thinking, you know, the boys, Gary's only a kid at the time.

23:52He says, nice for the boys to turn up today at training. He goes, when you've played fucking 500 games, maybe you can come in three times a week and tell that time, shut your fucking mouth. Yeah. That was it. That was what it was like. Your day was the best at it, Jay. I don't know how he's done it. But I'll give you the counter argument for that. You won the league. You was incredible. I came down to a load of games to watch and certainly Merce was as well. You two just were brilliant in that period. Now, But I don't know if I'm jumping on the bandwagon, because Ronaldo's one of my favourite players of all time, of course.

24:20I played against him, just a genius. But there also comes a time when you've just got, I just think, enough now. And even in the World Cup, it looked like a tribute act to him. And he's too good for that. This is where I think having the right people are at. Someone's got to say, Cristiano, you've been unbelievable. Let's do this in the right way. Like when you look at Messi in Argentina, when they did the celebration for him leaving, everything's so classy. And then when you look at Cristiano, it's like, this shouldn't happen. This is bad management. This is where you need the right people around you because I think they've messed it up.

24:51Look, don't get me wrong. Time will be a great healer. And everything will be amazing. He ain't going to tarnish his career. No, cool, we can't. He's a genius. He's unbelievable. He'll put the right manager in charge of Portugal if they want to put him straight. Like Jules Jesus. I remember playing in the last 16 game in the Europa League against him. And they scored a third goal against us at home at Tottenham. and he goes like that to me. Did he? Yeah. You was the manager? Manager. I had to get pulled off him. I was calling him an hairdresser and everything. Really? Absolutely. Yeah, the silver barnet.

25:27Magnificent, the guy. But I weren't having him at all. After the game, I couldn't have him. Couldn't have any part of him. But fair play. He's been a top-draw manager, by the way. Yeah. And he's been around some players, but no one as big as him. Yeah. And I don't think he's willing to... But that was the other thing. even in the World Cup with Martinez I don't think he was ever strong enough to just go I think now it's to come where I think they got it wrong in the World Cup with him is like goals are there to be had I think for someone like him in the last 20-25 minutes of a game if you could just look Cristiano this is where you talk about management don't worry about you walking out with a arm band you will get your goals trust me just stick with me here and then I'll get you on 20-25 minutes when the game gets a little bit tired you can come on and you'll get us a goal but having him out there I reckon even the players were going, look, you know, he spoke about it, Tenard at times, he didn't run around.

26:16We didn't have no one. Nowadays, this is a young man's game, isn't it? You need to press, you need to wait, sure. Unless you've got a team specifically built around one player like Argentina did in the World Cup. Like, everything was around him. They had players just run for him, covered for Messi. But for Ronaldo, I don't think with Portugal, they've got other egos in that team. You know, Bruno Fernandes would think, well, I deserve that. Anyway, that's enough on Ronaldo. Still, look, we both agree one of the greats, but I just want him to just do things. I'll worry about that fire. I don't know if he's going to pay.

26:46I've said he's going to do it in installments. That's good news, yeah. That's good news. He ends it in 39 seconds. 39 seconds? Thanks, Kieran. Brilliant. Hold on. Count the 39. I would have thought he was less than that, actually. So the other player that Eric Ten Hag was talking about that he wanted, was a couple. There was one that he wanted, Declan Rice, understandably, and another one, Harry Kane. Yeah. I mean, if they would have signed him two players, it would have solved a lot of problems they'd have had. Not only would it have taken fantastic players, they would have solved it out of that dressing room, you know what it's like?

27:16Two good types going in there. Changed the mindset and the culture of that dressing room. Could they have won the league, though, with those two? Because they only built a team round. Not sure, but they would have been a good start, wouldn't they? I mean, they probably spent the money where they were spent on them, even with wages of the two, you know, and the fees they would have cost. Somewhere 100 million, the pair of them, 200 mil. They've wasted that, haven't they? Yeah. Well, this is what he said. I said to them, I want only one player, and you know who. I fought for it. I heard that he was very positive, but I never spoke with him about the issue.

27:44I don't know how the decision process went with John, Richard and the Glazers. They came to the conclusion, I don't have the insights in the financials. Yeah. I spoke to Harry around that time, because it was quite public coming out, and he wanted to go to Man City. And that didn't materialise, couldn't agree a fee or whatever. So I was asking him, what's your move? And he obviously wanted to go to a club we thought can win. So I think it would have been attractive for him if he thought Declan was going to go as well and they're going to start building that type of characters within that Man United dressing room because Man United is Man United.

28:18And I always say it's always going to be a pull. They're the biggest club in the world. They're not the best team in the world. But them two would have certainly helped to take them to where they needed to be. He never felt the love. He never felt the love. And he's old school. He's like you. Would you prefer one of the executives to ring you up and have a quick chat and sound you out or do you want the manager to talk to you about football? Talk to the gaffer, yeah. Of course, and he never spoke to the gaffer. He never had the opportunity to do that. So maybe what Ten Hag's saying, Man United never give Ten Hag the opportunity to talk to him.

28:50Obviously, they didn't want it to happen. Yeah. You know, whether they didn't trust Harry as a player or whether they couldn't afford the deal. But in the end, like I say, they've wasted all that money anyway. It would have been so good for him. I was going to do a hit and miss game with you, Tim, on the 21 signings that he signed in 24, but I think we'll just do it with one player. Anthony Would you let him Sign another player After that No That's the problem Not when he knows him I know Not when he knows him I mean he's not even Gambling with it He knows all about this Boylan Martinez They were the three That they really backed him But Anthony I mean Anthony I think every Man United Fan would agree He was just so out of his depth Yeah Absolutely yeah I mean he keeps talking About the players Who he wanted to sign Let's concentrate on the players You did sign How poor were that Would you give him Another penny to spend Not after Anthony know.

29:38But with Harry Kane and Declan Ryder, you don't have to know them. You don't have to rely on a manager to tell you they're good players. The whole world knew that they would be a massive asset to Manchester United. A difficult one. I think that what it does, it just adds to that soap opera that is May United. It doesn't help anyone. But I think the fans will probably go, yeah, this is what we're all seeing. A lot of the stuff that they get said, and it's the same with Martins, when you boil it down, there is a lot of truth in what they're saying. It adds A lot of pressure, obviously, to Jason Wilcox and everybody there.

30:08So they've just got to keep, they've got to just fight the noise. No one's denied the fact that what he said is not correct. This episode is sponsored by Huel. So, Tim, I don't know about you at home, but as football fans, we've all got our things we can't do without. Well, in partnership with our sponsorship, Huel, we're bringing you one less thing, where Tim and I discuss the one thing we'd like to see removed from football. And we talk about this a lot, don't we, on the golf course. First one up this week, for me, I'll come up with this one, Tim. Post-match apologies on social media. Come on.

30:40They've got to go, haven't they? Do you know who I think started it? I might be wrong, but it feels like Eddie Howe and Newcastle. Going over to the fans, you know, everyone will go there and clap them. Lovely. Brilliant. Because they were winning every game. But all of a sudden, when you start getting chinned and you've got to go there and you're giving it... Some of that. Sorry, you know what I mean? Yeah. Sorry, it's on me. That's the worst. Even the manager. I remember seeing Hans Postacoglu and I felt sorry for him and he'd stand there clapping him and they're all cutting him off. Do you know why he did that?

31:09Why? He didn't want to go down the tunnel because he thought I'm going to front this out. I'm going to front it up. I remember Oli Gunnar Solskjaer was away at Vicarage Road. I remember it. He went right over. That was his last game. Yeah. And he was over there like that apologising and getting some stick. And I remember Bruno behind him giving it no it's not him it's all of us. It's all of us. Yeah it's like charades isn't it? Yeah, they'll blame me, blame me, I can take it, I'm strong. I get the fans point of view because away fans, I don't know what you were like, when Liverpool fans, they'd come in their droves and they'd pay big money and so you've got total respect for them.

31:42Of course you want to acknowledge them and there's nothing worse when you've lost and you're sending them home feeling as bad as what they do. But that, as a manager, I think now, if you started again as a manager or I did, I think you've just got to set a precedent where you just don't do it at all. Of course you love them, they're your fans, that's not going to change but what difference does it make you going over there and clapping them because when you lose or when you're going for a bad spell it's awful no future in it especially I was consistent with that I would always clap from where I was and just walk down the tunnel win or lose so I know exactly what about a little social media apology I like them as well when they do that I'm really sorry today we was rubbish I apologise for the performance what players or manager players like to do that one would you do that if you were a player now?

32:30Newcastle manager, the Isler did it the other night, didn't he? It's Coventry, you know, come out and apologise to the fans. They almost expect it now, the fans. I mean, but the only way it's got any, carries any weight is if they perform better the next time they're out there. So, yeah, I'm not keen on it. I really am not. Right, Tim, so shall we lose that sort of post-match sorry that's always become inevitable in football now? Yeah, gone. Gone? Yeah, gone. Out. What, yellow card? Red. Red Kev, one game ban. I like it. The verdict's in. The post-match apology is gone. But one thing I'm not apologizing for is having one less thing to think about it when it comes to my nutrition.

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36:33tim next monday night big night and actually quite a big night for you a bit of emotional one, I reckon, the Ballon d 'Or. No, I want him to win it so much, Harry Kane. I know you do, yeah. I really, really do. I think he deserves it this year. Jamal is obviously going to be the danger. Two runners? Yeah, I think so. Elise, everyone talks around, you know what I mean? I think if they would have won the World Cup, I think it would have been... It's in London as well. It's in the Royal... London played him. Yeah, so he's now two to seven with Skybet, which is... I think that's a great indication, James.

37:01It must be. So, I didn't know this, so I asked the boys a question, I said to Kieran, who votes for the Ballon d 'Or. So it's 100 journalists will give their vote. It's nothing to do with the players, nothing to do with coaches. Do you think that may be, not that it should, but does that maybe work in Harry's favour a little bit as well? Because there might be a little bit of sentiment, what he's done in the game, what a great character he's been. Hopefully. But it's never helped him in the past, has it? And he's been close in the past. But this is his chance. It really is. I think if he don't win it now, he ain't never going to win it.

37:33Jamal, I mean, let him win it. You know, you're going to win another 10. So I think it's up to Harry now. I think it's his time. I really do. And he 100 % deserves it. You know what's interesting? So I've just looked at these here, Tim. So this is Jamal. So we're doing the pros and the cons here. So he's had 45 appearances for the club. Yeah. 24 goals in all competitions. World Cup, winner. Winner. La Liga, winner. So that's obviously massively in his favour with the World Cup. Now, I don't know what your thoughts are on that. But then Harry Kane, when you listen to this, it's actually incredible.

38:0651 appearances, 61 goals in all competitions. I mean, we used to say, like, I'll goal every two games. It's over a goal a game. World Cup, seven appearances, six goals. Honours, Bundesliga, German Cup, and obviously we came third in the World Cup. Do you think the only thing that really sways it towards your mouth is that World Cup? Don't get me wrong, I mean, your mouth is one of the most gifted players. He is. He is. He is, and if he wins it, you're going to have to hold your hands up. It's just unfortunate that he's had him around. There was that era with Ronaldo we spoke about earlier and Lionel Messi when he was just cleaning up.

38:40It was a closed shop for everyone. It's opened up a little bit now, and all of a sudden this comes as a little genius, and they've won the World Cup. And that is a problem for him. Harry was like anyone but Spain. Yeah, cool. But he's won the Bundesliga, he's won the Cup over there. Two Cups, one of them's a bit of a Mickey Mouse one, Super Cup. And obviously he scored the bundles of goals. I mean, incredible. I mean, Harry now, he don't want to score single goals. He's always on the brace or he gets the hat-trick. You know what I mean? He can't have any room left on his mantelpiece for them balls he keeps taking home.

39:09But I just want that trophy just to be his. It would be such a proud moment for me and obviously for him. And you gave him his debut. You gave him his debut as a sub. And then I think, was it Sunderland the weekend and the Saturday he scored two goals? I mean, were you like, he's a different class, he's got to play? or was it like Soldado was he injured at the time Soldado because he was the big money side no they weren't injured you had Soldado you had Jermaine Defoe you had Adi Bayor I mean it was a tough school it was a tough school up there do you know what I mean it was not like Richarlison or Dominic Solanke you know so it was an opportunity for me to play the Super I mean Soldado was our record signing at the time so for me to not play him and play one of the kids from the academy.

39:57It was a big shout, really. But I just judged everyone on a level playing field, Jay. And I just think he deserved the opportunity to play. So I didn't hesitate. Just give him the chance. At that time, if I'd have said to you, this lad, Harry Kane, he wasn't your typical... You see the profile of players. You go, look at him. What a specimen. Quick as lightning. Got so many running behind. He's good in the air. And I'd have said to you that we're going to be talking about him as a future Ballon d 'Or winner. What would you have said? No, Mr Jimmy. I mean, genuinely. Yeah. I mean, genuinely. But how do you ever know?

40:30I mean, he's just evolved as he's carried on and he's always just got better and better. So if you'd have said, first time I watched Stevie Gerrard play, I could have told you he would have been in the run for the Ballon d 'Or. Yeah. Because I could see it. Anyone could see it. But with Harry, it was more of a slow burn. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I just think he's grown. He's developed along the way. But one thing you can't see from the outside is what's between his ears and that this drive and determination and to believe that there's no ceiling above him. And I think he still believes that now.

41:01He's a total team man. If you offered Harry Kane to win the Champions League this year or win the Ballon d 'Or, he genuinely would pick the Champions League for his team. That is the measure of the man. And I can't speak highly enough of that mentality. But that's genuine. There's a lot of other players who would say the right thing, which is that, but really they would like the individual accolades. He's had the individual accolades at Tottenham but he's had to leave to try and win things as a team. We grow up as footballers, you don't want to be the richest man, you don't want to have the big house, you don't want the big cars, you want to win trophies.

41:36Is it not? Is that where you grew up? It's different now, but I'm talking about you. When you were growing up, I think he's a throwback. He's a throwback, Jay. He's a throwback because he wants to win. That's why he moves to a team where he thinks he can win. That's why when he comes back, he would love to beat Shearer's record, in the Premier League. Do you think he will? I think he will. I really think he will because I think he's durable. I think he keeps himself fit. He's a model professional and I think he'll come back. Where he comes back to, God only knows at the moment because I think there's not an outstanding team out there, apart from Arsenal, where it's impossible for him to go to and Chelsea, possibly, where he would come back to because he only wants to come back to win stuff.

42:20Otherwise, he might as well stay in Bayern Munich and clean up. I want to take you back before this, Tim, because this, for me, is like sometimes we talk about what makes a footballer. I think it's a really interesting theory here. 2011, 2013, he had loan spells, as you know. So he went to Leighton, Millwall, Norwich, Leicester. Some successes, some not. But I asked you this yesterday. You think no matter how bad a loan is, it's still a success. I think they're all successes, yeah. People talk to me about his failed loans. I didn't see one. I didn't see one failed loan. Because I'm a firm believer, you play under-18s football, then you have to go and play men's football, competitive football.

42:55Get out of the building. Under-21 football is still around now. I could play in it now. You could be the best player in midfield. You're playing there as a number six. It's like a chess match. I've seen every game. I don't even know who's playing against each other. I know what the game's going to look like. It's not a great development for where you need to be. It's a different sport to where they need to be in the Premier League. So what we did is just sent him out just to gain some experiences, some life skills as well. Can't take liberties. When you're going to play at Orient, they need to win that game to pay their mortgage.

43:24You know, he was never any self-indulgence in him. So he was always a team man. So they all loved him wherever he went, wherever it was in Millwall as well. In a tough environment there, he used to get some stick. You know, why have we got a Tottenham player here? Why aren't we developing our own? All of a sudden, leave him there. Because I knew he could handle that environment. And he just come through. Young player of the season there. And he went to Norwich in the Premier League, which is the best loans for these boys. so they're playing against our opposition he picked up an injury there it never worked out for him but all the managers who he had when he was on loan all said he wouldn't make it in the Premier League all of them so they're judging him there but I think you've just got to give them time I think you put a young kid around world class players we had a few world class players at the time at Tottenham on a different environment and they just flourish it's a lot easier to play with better players you know that you know what it's like yeah absolutely I remember a lot of people who say to me I know you like him, but he's not scoring a hat full of goals there.

44:22And I used to say, we'll send Luka Modric there and see how he gets on the weekend. You know, he wouldn't shine. No, so too. You know, we're talking about a Ballon d 'Or winner there. Yeah. Do you think you'd have made it if you was coming through now? No. Oh, come on. No. Stop it. No, I don't think I would. I don't think I would because I wouldn't have got the opportunity. And I tell you what, you have to be backed. Someone has to be fighting for you at that club. Now, Matt, you're telling me, let's go back to Tottenham, you're telling me there's not been a player to play for Tottenham Hotspur on a regular basis since Harry Kane through their academy.

44:51Now, there hasn't been one. But there hasn't been one. Has there been the talent there, though? The talent, 100 % over that period, has to be there. There's one there now. Luca Williams-Barnett. He should be thrown around that first team. He should be in there. He should be encouraging. He's sensational, the kid. But he'll get fed up. He's not being shown any love. And he's not alone. Other clubs, there's loads of kids who are not being shown their love. Do you think you would have made it? If you go back? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry if that sounds really flash. Your pathway is very, very interesting.

45:23Yeah, well, I had, I think when I look back now, I was obviously very fortunate that my dad was the manager of the club where I lived. So most days, really, I know it sounds really, like we joke about it, but dad would say to me on the way to school, do you want to come training? And I'd go, of course I do. And I would go and train, being around the first team, I'd pick the balls up. So I was so conditioned to football and what it took to be a footballer. And then every now and again, there would be like six, like they say there'd be eight a side, say one player, dad would go, Jamie, you're in.

45:57And I'd be 12, 13. Our old 13? Yeah, and I would play with the first team. And they'd like people like Ian Bishop, Tony Pulis, John Williams, like Mark Newsome, good players, good senior players. So I'd have to join. There was a championship side at the time. And I knew I couldn't give the ball away. because I could make this mess of session up. So I became so conditioned to it. So then as soon as I went to Liverpool, I realised then that I was ready and I could handle that. When I was 14, I signed to Tottenham until I was 21 because I just felt that that was the right club for me. Terry Venables was the manager.

46:36Anyway, just before leaving school, I looked at Tottenham, I looked at that pathway and I was like, I won't get in here. I don't see a route for me. Why? Because there was like, Gazza was in the first team with other players and I thought to myself... Was there any kids from the academy in the first team? No, no. Like, John Moncur was in the under-21s in the reserves and I said to my dad, I went, Dad, I want to come to Bournemouth for you. And he said, no, no, you can't. You've signed for Tottenham. You've signed until you're 21. And he went, well, what are you going to do? I said, no, no, I'm not going.

47:07When I leave school at 16, I'm not going to Tottenham. We called Terry Venom and went up to Tottenham. So we got a meeting. Never forget it. Terry was sat there and my dad. And I'm 16. I'm terrified. And he's quite, Terry's the coolest guy in the world. You know, dad's there. He's a bit embarrassed about this. Because genuinely, he was happy for me to stay at Tottenham. This wasn't anything to do with him. This was just me and my confidence. I went, I will be in your first team. So we sat down with Terry. And he says to me, why do you want us to come here? I said, because I don't feel like I'm going to get in your team.

47:37And also, I don't want to move away from home. you know I think I'll be homesick I mean I moved to Liverpool a year later so that wasn't a great argument but I thought at that time that was a better route for me anyway they ended up letting me go they took 25 % of the sell-on fee so when I went to Liverpool they got 25 % of it so a year later I got into Bournemouth's first team I started playing regularly I played alongside Tony Pulis and you know I remember playing against West Ham they were in a championship at the time the equivalent you know Division 1 and we played Barrow away and I had a really good game, a bit of a moment like we were talking about earlier on and I said to my dad after, I'm ready to go now I'm going to go to Liverpool so Kenny then ended up signing me went up there Good judge, isn't he, Kenny?

48:21He would pick you, pick me, he knew a midfielder but the hard thing was, he watched me after about and about two months later he left so I blame me but it was an unbelievable time I had to show a lot of resilience in that period in terms of I could have gone under. If I'm honest, Tim, when Kenny left and Graham Sooner's coming, he never said a word to me for about six months. Never said a word. I wasn't there used to him. I was a young kid. So I was standing digs. I wanted to come home. I got a bit homesick. But this is brave, Jay, and it's worked out for you. But do you know what, though, Tim?

48:53So going back to now, you asked me a question. If I took my time back now, so I was the most expensive teenager in the country at the time. So if I was the most expensive teenager now, and Man City or Chelsea wanted me, they would be offering me£30 ,000,£40 ,000 a week. How would I have been able to turn that down and go, no, do you know what, there's a better pathway for me there? My head and my heart tells me... You would have. I would have. Yeah. But I don't know if I could be. And hindsight tells you you would have. Yeah, and trust me, if we look at my dad, my dad's obviously done well. We didn't have any money then.

49:26Yeah. So how could I turn that money down to him? It's very difficult. I mean, what are you going to sign? A four-year deal on£50 ,000 a week. what they do now, it's a lot of money. It changes the whole life of the family. Of course. Of the family, but not forever. It's a short-term view, short-sighted view. What would you have done then? They look at it. Oh, I would have signed. Generally, but from the education, what I've got now of development, pick the pathway rather than the money. So you say that's a bit hairy. Because the money will soon dry up after four years and you might end up out of the game.

49:56I could have got so lost. You end up out of the game and then you've got to go and find another job. Whereas you take the part, you play games. You'll get there in the end. You'll get to the top. It's hard to convince anyone that, Jay. They're coming from the streets. Coming from the streets, got nothing. I get it. It's a meal ticket for the family now. I get it. Some of the parents want their kids to be footballers more than the kids do. And it's a real issue there is the pressure which is on them. It's incredibly hard for these kids to oversee that and make the correct decisions. But they need to be advised.

50:25The agents are not advising them that well because they just want to make the money. They want to make the money, yeah. They want to make the money. So what do you do? So it takes someone within the club. You've got to be brave. But why injury, Tim? Why injury? And everything changes for those kids. So if you take that money and then you get an injury and you go, well, at least I've set myself up for life. Because if I'd have got... And the other thing, when you go from a smaller club, straight away, I went above all those other kids in that academy at Liverpool because I was an acquisition. It makes such a difference, you know?

50:52And then Kenny, obviously, was fantastic with me. I owe him so much. But it is difficult. Do you know who's the start? The start of the Premier League, J-1992, 70 % of the players were English. Yeah. Do you know what A is now? It's that now, 20%. Wow. That's how hard it is to make it now. Yeah. And I think some of these clubs, a lot of the clubs, not every club, but I think a lot of them, majority of them are failing our kids by blocking up their pathways for bang average players coming from abroad. And it's not on. So you've named one there. And something has to stop. Yeah. That's what I mean.

51:23The financial fair play, that rule has to change now because if you're getting pure profit by selling your own talent, ridiculous. You come up with one. Luka Williams-Barnett. Obviously, the Max Downman, everyone knows. Rio, everyone knows. Luka Eden at Liverpool, another one I really like. Young with field player. You like the boy at Portsmouth, if you'd like him? Yeah, I do. Ryan Kavuma McQueen, he's on loan there. Had a really good loan, like you say. Reggie Walsh at Chelsea, another good one. Floyd Samba's son played yesterday. He's got two brothers. They're doing really well, the Samba brothers.

51:53Mounos at Arsenal, 15, is going to be a real player. Jay, they might have the contracts now. They might have it now, but they've got a long way to go. So there'll be some... Max Downham, what's he going to do now? Probably needs to go on loan, doesn't he? He needs to go. But he needs to get a loan in the Premier League so Mikel can watch him playing against their opposition. Yeah. And that's when you get judged. I remember Carl Walker, we sent him to QPR. He was loving time there. You know, Neil Warnock was loving it. He was in the Championship. Because he wasn't getting in at Tottenham. Chorluka was playing.

52:17Your dad was playing Chorluka because he knew him. And he was in the development squad with me, Carl Walker. All of a sudden, we sent him there. He was playing very well for QPR. Loving life. In January, I got him a loan to the Premier League. I spent 45 minutes trying to persuade him to take the Aston Villa loan. He didn't want to go. He said, well, next year I'll play in the Premier League anyway with QPR. I said, no, next year you'll play for Tottenham. I said, you've got to make this decision. And it took me 45 minutes. What about JJ Gabriel? Yeah, what's he going to do? I've eaten a go at Real Madrid from what I've heard.

52:46And I think he'll be the first player ever to go there and make it as a young player. You go there when you've made it. You go there when you're Jude Bellingham that's gone to Dortmund and then to Real Madrid when you're established. Yeah. At Barcelona, I think it's slightly different. But if he goes to... He's going to try and rip out the rule book. Yeah. I think it would be a huge mistake. I hope I'm wrong. Because of everything I've heard about the kid. He's a lovely kid and a top player. Huge mistake not to keep hold of him? Obviously. No, no, no. No, they can't. You can't keep hold of him.

53:12You can't? No, no, no. Impossible. No, no. I feel for May United. I've seen his development. He's had a couple of clubs in London. His dad took him up to Manchester United. I think they're probably disappointed he's left, but probably so relieved. Yeah. And I'd be so relieved if I was every other parent there. Because I've got a kid in the game. My son's at Brentford. Yeah, yeah, of course. And I think it's really difficult for him, any young player now, but he's at a great place at Brentford. But if there was a player, like, say, that was getting so much more attention than my son or probably Wayne Rooney's boys, they'd probably got the same thing.

53:44They'd probably go, oh, what a relief. Because now, every single week, every single day is, right, how do we keep JJ's happy? How do we make sure we keep pushing him to 21s? How do we make sure his dad's happy? Rather than now, let's look after the whole group of players. Everyone in that academy is going to get a fair go, whereas in trying to just manage, how is this situation going to manage? They'll be so relieved. Disappointed but relieved. You've had a wonderful career. Obviously, Wayne Rooney, Wayne Rooney. You see Kara's boy. There's so many of them out there. You see Matty Upson's boy has left Tottenham.

54:15That's a great example. Let me tell you about Matty Upson's boy. Matty Upson's boy has left Tottenham, right? Because he doesn't see a pathway to the first team. So where's he gone? To a team? No, he's gone to Arsenal. The team won the league. But he sees more of a pathway to play for Arsenal, the champions of the Premier League, than there is at Tottenham, who finished 17th two seasons on the Spins. That cannot be right, Jay. That can't be right. But I have him right. I think he's made the right decision because when he looks at Arsenal's first team, he sees some academy kids in and around it and playing.

54:43It is amazing, though, that you say this. Why is there not more ex-players, kids playing? Why is there not more ex-players, kids playing football? But there's quite a few. What about the pressure? So if you're coaching and you've learned the game from a screen, you've never played, you may be playing the Northern League or wherever you've played, and you've done all your coaching badges, but you're a PlayStation coach, and there's so many of them around. And I know you think there's a lot of good coaches, but when I watch it, it frustrates me, the life out of me. I stand out of the way. Yeah. I stand out of the way.

55:15I'm not going to lie. When they let you watch? Yeah, yeah. Old games. I go every game. A lot of clubs. Don't let the parents watch. Yeah, I'll watch it. I'm not a great, I must tell you, and I think back to, like, with Bo when he was younger, probably a lot, this will probably resonate a lot with parents, because it's like, that, you know, I've read books on it, I've looked at it, how do you manage, like, that first moment after a training session or a game where they played poorly, and I have done things when I'm like, shouldn't be saying that. You're hard on him, yeah. Yeah, I was too hard. I was too hard.

55:42My older boy, I pushed him away from football, he plays rugby now, he probably hated me for a while. But now I look with Bo, I'm just, I've gone the other way. I just give him, as long as they try, as long as he's having a go. Because he can't always play great, and I think every parent will resonate with this. They give their all, and I think it's so difficult to make a footballer, but he's in it. I've got a four-year-old boy, I've stood up watching him for the last couple of days, for three hours, because that's what you do. Because they love it. Off school. Yeah, they love it. Just enjoy it.

56:11Bo didn't love it, but now he's falling in love with it, and it makes it a lot easier. But he's always had something. He's always had a little bit of talent. I have a problem with a lot of coaches. When I watch youth games at the moment, the coaches are developing themselves rather than the individual players. It's not about who wins the football match. It does not matter who wins the under-21 league. Who cares? It does not matter who wins the 18s league. It does not matter. The success for that coach must be pushing players towards the first team and eventually getting a career in the game. And if you can't get them into your first team, you go and find them a career elsewhere.

56:45You have to push them. It's a duty of care to find a career for them players. Get them to other clubs. But you have to assess that before decision-making time. That decision-making time is the worst day of any coach's life because he has to give bad news. When you've got to tell kids, I couldn't do that. How do you deal with that? Because you usually have to do that. Yeah. How do you deal with it? But we were clever with it when we thought we were clever because you made a decision. You ain't waiting for that day. Why are you taking them right up to that day? You know why they take them right up to that day?

57:13Because they want the kid to continue to play to win football matches at youth level. But what you've got to make your mind up a lot earlier in the decision-making day and you try and find them a career, you send them out on loan or give them trials, trials elsewhere to try and get a career in the game. I think it's a duty of care to be able to do that. If they're not going to be a Tottenham player, so be it. But if I've got a kid now, if your beau was at Tottenham now, I'd be telling him to go and get another club because there's no pathway at the moment. Now, if you've got a good young player, you've got to get him out on loan if you can.

57:45As long as the club are comfortable. What happens if he goes on loan? If he makes a career, Tim, if he gets a career, I don't care if it's League One, League Two, anything, I'll be so proud of him. Honestly, just to go, because being any kind of sportsman is the best thing in the world. My 22-year-old son, he loves his rugby. He plays rugby on a Saturday, doesn't get paid a penny, just goes there and loves it, the camaraderie, the team spirit. And I'm thinking, I look at him like that, he's getting ears and his nose is all over the place, he's getting smashed up every week, but he loves it. And that's why we love sport.

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1:01:18Welcome back Tim we're going to do another primetime play with Sky Vegas I know you like that one now on the pitch things are getting pretty scary you know what time it is don't you? Halloween time so we have got on the entertainment the home of entertainment it's only right that we talk about the spooky season do you like horror films? I don't really I mean, The Shining was the one that scared the life out of me. Did it? Jack Nicholson. Yeah, good though, wasn't it? When he's put his head round the corner. That's great. I'm home. Yeah, exactly. Do you know what, Tim? I hated. I watched, when I was about 11, I watched The Exorcist ruin my childhood.

1:01:54Yeah. Genuinely. You know, when I had a head turned around. Did it? Yeah, mate, honestly. I went to a sleepover and my brother was a bit older than me. and my dad had an Italian restaurant in Bournemouth at the time, Lorenzo's, and the girls at the restaurant, the daughter of Lorenzo, they had invited everyone round. So we were watching that and everyone was in the room. Mate, I wasn't having a sleepover, I went home. Did you? Sod that. Suffered. Mate, done with the years. What about Texas Chainsaw Massacre, do you ever see that? I don't mind that so much. I don't like anything to do with the devil.

1:02:23You don't mind people getting chopped up and all that. I can suffer that a little bit more than the devil because that's what, like, you go back, and when she started talking and the voice and that, I'll take your voice. No, no, no. No, that is scary. Not for me. I'm not watching that. If you had to pick three footballers, or even one, or anyone in football, who would you choose to put in a scary movie? Who's like the bogeyman? I'll give you one. Go on. Kevin Warren, remember him? Of course. Yeah, May United said that. What a man. Yeah, he's like a bogeyman when he just keeps coming forward. And he was a tough man.

1:02:54And he never, ever, I never saw him without a bit of blood on him. No. You've only come out with blood on him? No. I think when the wind blew, I think he's just got a little nick there. You know what I mean? It's a drip of blood all the time. I remember once at Highbury, we were playing against Arsenal, and Wrighty, you know what he's like, chirping in his ear all the time. And Wrighty had this bandage on his hand, but not like they do these days when there's nothing wrong with them, but genuinely had a broken hand. And in the penalty area, he's gone in for a shot, he's on the floor, and Kevin has grabbed his hand and squeezed it as hard as he could.

1:03:29and righty, you could hear the scream around Highbury. It's like screaming. I've kept... Every time I see righty, I'll say, how's the hand going? He nearly ripped my hand off. It was incredible. And that means he'd break his nose as well. He could smell around corners, couldn't he? He's such a great kid. He's amazing. He'd make tough, tough, tough man. He would be one. Everyone loves him all over. You know who I'd have in, for me, who was scary to play against. In an era when you were horrible, I've got to be honest, You left a bit on me a few times. Roy Keane, obviously. I know you like me, but I liked you too.

1:04:03But you still kept kicking me. Roy was obviously tough. But you know who I found the worst? I don't know if you did too. Was Dennis Wise? Oh, he nasty. Scary, wasn't he? Yeah. But he would have your little pinch. Your little niggly ones. When you got a 50-50, you know you're going to have to get high. You're going to have to go high. But good player. But he was scary. Any of the crazy gang, to be fair. Vinny? Yeah, Vinny was up there. Yeah, Vinny was up there. A bit cruder. Yeah. But fantastic. Good actor. Great actor. I like the gentleman. He's good in that. So that would be, yeah. So I think we'll be good with that one, Tim.

1:04:37So cheers to Sky Vegas for that. We'll be back with more primetime entertainment next week, Tim.

1:04:46What about Arsenal, Tim? What do you think right now? How are they looking? Do you think they're looking like a team that's going to retain the title or a little bit edgy? I do, yeah. I think they'll retain the title. They're looking edgy, for sure. It's not free-flowing. Largest come back on the back of winning, watching PSG and Barcelona. Yeah. They're not in that level. They can't go toe-to-toe with them, but they can find a different way to play. You know, they can put bodies behind the ball. They can score the goal from a set-piece. I mean, he's got to be under... To keep talking about him being under pressure, he must be under huge amounts of pressure now.

1:05:17Yeah. The set-piece coach. But they're going to have to find a different way. It's not great to watch. It's not fantastic to watch. But who cares if you're winning trophies? Yeah, of course. I mean, who's the challengers, Jay? It's only Man City. We don't know what's going to happen. What is it like, T? Because you did it. You won the title. The following year, I think you came seventh. Is that right with Blackburn? Yeah. How hard is it to retain the title? What pressure does that put you under? Did you know that following pre-season that you weren't ready? I think we were a little bit different.

1:05:46I don't think we had the foundations in place. We strengthened. We signed, after we won the league, we signed Billy McKinley, Chris Coleman, Gary Flickcroft. Gary's a good player. They're all good players. They're all good players, but they weren't superstars. Were you in for any big names? Yeah, I know where this is going. Were you in for any big names? Yeah, we had a couple of big names. Who was it? Dugari, I heard. Dugari and Zidane. Zidane? It was rumoured. I never ever saw them, but apparently they'd come to the training ground there. Yeah, I think Jack Walker. Jack Walker said, what was the famous?

1:06:20He pied it. Jack Walker said, who needs Zinedine Zidane? Well, we got Tim Sherwood. and we've got Tim Sherwood on the Overlap Daily. That's a true statement, though, isn't it? It is, yeah. He was captain in Wonder League. You're a legend. Don't worry about that. Listen, it was... No, but just... What problems did it bring? Well, we didn't have foundations there. I mean, obviously, it was almost like we got to the top of the mountain. That was a relief. Really? And you felt that? What tells you that is that Kenny would never leave, would he? No. I mean, he ended up going upstairs. He thought like we could go and do it again.

1:06:49Do you know what I mean? But it just... I don't think they made the signings possibly enough of them, which we needed to strengthen it's always great like Mikel's made some more signings he's brought some very like Fonzo and Grumaris you know bringing like best players at other clubs and saying we're going to have them it's what Man United should do back in the day didn't they go and hand pick the best players from other teams so I think they're in a good position to be out of challenge and win it again yeah I think they're in a good spot you know you look at them and still you know and who knows I think Man City is just making things are so difficult for everyone right now, aren't they?

1:07:25They're winning every single game and until that gets put to bed. But I'm still firmly in Arsenal's camp. I still think they win the league. I mean, you can't do any more, Mariska, can you? I'll tell you one quick mention before we go on the Open Up Daily. I think, because I was at Brighton a few weeks ago, Tim. I mean, Fabian Herzler, what a guy. I think so much has been said about Brighton in terms of they are so well run, Tony Bloom. Yeah, yeah. I've now, I agree, the recruitment's amazing. The recruitment's top. But I'm going to give you a statement here that Fabian Hertzer will manage a top six club in world football in the next five or six years.

1:07:57I would take him. I watched him work. He's got that nasty streak to be. But he will this year. Eh? He will this year. Yeah. That's a great argument. But I think he's going to be in control of his destiny. He's got to be smart where he goes next because there will be a lot of options. Because for him, he was born in America. Obviously, he grew up in Germany. He might go, my dream job is Bayern Munich. Understandably. Vincent Kompany might have a couple more years there. I can just see him he's got that I think he's 34 years of age we all talk about he probably drives him mad but you can just see that he is really really good he was getting a bit of stick from the fans last year because everyone just goes so heavy on the players top players top players he's also a top coach top manager and really good I watched how that club is so well run they go in first thing you do when you go in everyone has a blood test I mean are they we had a breath test it's totally the level of detail now I'm really impressed with it.

1:08:53Are you a fan? I'm a fan of him. You know what I like about him? His personality. I like the fact that he falls out of Pep Guardiola, falls out of Mikel Arteta. He'd not give a shit. Normally, you get a new manager, a young guy like that. He's got an autograph book, hasn't he? Yeah, yeah. He doesn't mind falling out of them. He does not mind. He's got his own personality. He's driven. He knows exactly how he wants his team to play and he's doing a very good job about it. Could they do the unthinkable, win the league? No. No. We all said that about Leicester, didn't we? Yeah, we did. I said no, Leicester.

1:09:25I still don't believe they won it. I know, I still don't. I'd still back someone else now because it's that good a story. But why not? He's doing a brilliant job. Brilliant job, yeah, really good. And I think he deserves all the credit. It's a great team effort what they're doing. Very impressive how the club's run. I did it for Sky and we spent the whole day there. They were so accommodating. Really enjoyed it. Is that why you're bigging them up? Yeah, no, but a little bit.

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