Joe Hart Tells Kelly Cates How he Really Feels About His PL Titles Amid Man City Controversy! | EP 3

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3:37Jack Wilshere, did you hear that he's thrown you under the bus? So what happened? Did you make everybody jump off a bridge? I didn't make anyone do anything, just for the record. I'm not that person, but... Did you suggest that people jump off a bridge? I didn't suggest anyone else did. I said we played in Switzerland and they've got their airport shut early, I think 10 o 'clock, so I think it was a Monday night game, so that meant that we had the rest of the week. Usually you play Tuesday, Wednesday, your last international of the two. And then the stars were starting to align. Yeah. We've got to stay over.

4:07There's going to be a night out. So there's a night out. Yeah. Only if we win. We win 2-0. Yeah. Only if we win. Mega. Yeah, it's true. Is it not just don't get caught on a night out? No, no, no, because it was internal. It was a big win. So it had on the board, like the children that we are, be here at this time, be here at this time. So I wrote 3 a.m. on the bridge. Bit of a joke. It was a joke. Did you mean it, though? And then later on, we got stuck in. Yeah. We're having a great time. So, start of a new campaign, I think it was the first of a World Cup campaign going into 14, I think it was.

4:43And then the little fella started getting in my ear, didn't he? Said, 3am, yeah? 3am in front of everyone. The little fella. Jack. Yeah, you know the little fella. 3am, big and in front of everyone, I was like, Jack, shut up, because this is only going to end one way. Because we were staying next to the bridge. Right. and the bridge where I'd watched everyone all day take their clothes off, put them into a waterproof bag. Yeah, it's the commuting river, isn't it? This is August, by the way. It's beautiful weather, the weather's good. Watched it all day, overlooking in a build-up to a night game.

5:16I thought, oh, that looks fun, that. So he's in my ear, and I was like, Jack, leave it, because you know how this is going to end. And eventually, eventually, eventually... So I said, right, get your stuff, and I marched off. so I marched off and he came with me but I'm only naming him by the way because I'm not a snitch he's already out there no he said Wayne was just drinking red wine Wayne was yeah he was drinking red wine and he went don't be stupid but I didn't intend for everyone else to come I just had him in my ear so I said right let's go bridge now you and me bridge didn't realise that everyone else was now following like the Pied Piper yeah a few more people came Again, not going to mention, that's why I'm never going to have a book.

6:00They're not coming down, but Jack, he can go onto the bus. And then he said, well, he wouldn't go off the bridge, would he? He said, well, go on then. I said, Jack, this is your last chance. He was like, go on then. So, off I went. Oh, my. And how was it? Awesome. Did you love it? I went again. Have you done like, did you? Yeah. Paddle to the side. But now, it's only now sat here nearly 40 years old, a responsible parent. Obviously. And I think that was, it was really dangerous. Yeah. Just a disclaimer for any kids who are listening. Yeah, for anyone listening. But at the time, it was awesome.

6:33Don't do it, kids. You are literally the embodiment of, if Joe Hart went and jumped off a bridge, would you do it? Well, a few did. I think that's it. But he didn't. Oh, big mouth. Is that the kind of stuff obviously you wouldn't put in your book? But how much of that goes on? That even now, even now when players are under... I mean, that was in the social media days as well. It's not like you were kind of, you didn't live in black and white. No, it would have been grainy. It would have been grainy footage if there wasn't. Yeah, yeah. And one of the members was very, very worried about it. Oh, really?

7:07Yeah. Why? Rightly, because he had a brain. And he realised that was stupid. And we were representing England. And we were in the middle of, where were we, Basel? The main bridge, you'll be able to see it. Yeah. A good congregation of us over the edge at 2am on a Tuesday morning. I'm a little bit jealous I wasn't there It was funny I might just go back and recreate it now No one got hurt, obviously no one died Do you know what, all good stories end that way Very true I've been involved in a few of them Go on You don't need to name names You can read about it in Jürgen's book, in Harry Redknapp's book You can read about it in all these books Do you know what you should do?

7:47You know that secret footballer account that was out ages ago Right. You should just put all your stories out anonymously. No, I'm quite happy where they live, but the little fella brought it up, so I had to give my version of events. How long's your contract here? Trying to work out how long it's going to take to wheedle those stories out of you. No, no, I'll be sacked before that happens. We'll just get you drunk before you come on air. Then we'll have a problem. Then we'll have a problem.

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8:45so we thought joe with it being the first one we'd start with something really nice and upbeat and then obviously unfortunately the two big stories that went around this week which are Well, off the pitch, Manchester City and on the pitch a little bit more as well, but also Manchester United. And they've got a huge game coming up. If you're under that much pressure as Manchester United are, as potentially Michael Carrick is, and you're being criticised for the things that Manchester United are being criticised for, is there any team that you'd less like to play than Atletico Madrid in Madrid? Yeah, that's not a nice place to be.

9:26That'll be difficult. You know, I've been to that stadium. I know where that stadium works. And it's the kind of place that will cling to anything. Is that how we are, Ian? What do you think, though? What do you think of Antarctica? We'll start again. We'll start again. We'll start again. No, you've only just started getting on my app. Just making sure Joe's got his thing in. Thanks for my man. Cheers, all. Is there anything you read into it? Or is there anything that you see on the pitch? I can only read into it, like, professionally. because, like I say, their top player, and Michael Carrick, more than anything, is a brilliant individual.

10:01However he does as a manager, I've played with him, I know how he works. He's diligent in his process. But there's nothing worse than having aimless running. Now, I'm not saying that Man United are saving their legs because they only run when it matters, but they're really stuck in between these kind of two, what do we do here, who are we, and what are we trying to do? And like I say, the worst thing you can have as 10 outfielders just running around like headless chickens because they want to please all of our guys that work for us and everyone on the TV and have them get off their back. You've got to do it for a reason.

10:33You've got to be in the right situation. There'll be many teams in history who've actually got running stats that are less, but they're so intelligent with how they use it. They're so economic with it. But Man United, again, the stats that are stacking up against them are asking a lot of questions, and it's not a good look. Well, he said, Michael Carrick as well, He likes the pressure as well. He said he actually, not only does he sort of relish it from his own point of view, but he also likes the idea that this is going to give him an insight into the mentality of some of his players. He said they're going to find out who really wants to fight for Manchester United.

11:09I mean, it could be a useful exercise for him, but the problem is that he might not be around to see the kind of results of it. We just, we don't know. this is why you'll never see me in front of a press conference as a manager of a football team and I take my hat off to what Michael's doing because this wasn't necessarily where he saw his life going he finished at Middlesbrough, I worked with him we worked with him on match of the day and he was very much like unless the football world needs me I'm not going back in now, the football world ended up needing him like putting out a bat signal with a big M Manchester United, got the team running but they've had those kind of false starts but he has to create something and like I say there's there's no room for tests anymore he needs to go into this game this this game tonight fully believing in the guys on the pitch and they need to feel accountable to him because he's such a personable guy he's such a guy that I'd like I loved playing with Michael Carrick and he was such a brilliant player so I know I'd obviously not be managed by him but as a person as a player he's someone that I'd want to work for me personally but that skill that management skill of being able to work out everyone's different egos everyone's different emotions and bringing them together you know I take my heart off to managers that are able to do that and you sort of understand why he bristles at these questions that keep coming about mentality yeah because that's almost the the worst thing that you can you can criticize the players for and he'll he'll take exception to that and so you can understand that from a leadership point of view that he wants to protect the players from that type of criticism but also you can see why those questions are being asked because their game management you know has been has been telling like conceding late goals the turnaround in the Carabao Cup against Brighton from from 2-0 up to to losing 3-2 you can you can see why those questions are being asked even even put the running stats into there and it's like well you're running less than everybody therefore that you know the the theory goes you're putting in less effort That's the interpretation of that.

13:10It all kind of, even if it's not right, it all builds that picture if you're trying to mount an argument against them. Yeah, he definitely enjoyed his press conferences a lot more last season. But that's the life and that's the job. And like I say, it's not about necessarily pandering to those statements. You've got to stay internal and have how you want to work as a team. And I'm sure there'll be plenty of things that he wants to work on. But he's got to stay on the front foot. He's got to stay positive. He's got to stay excited by his squad. because which way you look at it, that's his squad at least till January and there's not going to be that many drastic changes.

13:44So he's got to get the best out of them, work out the best combinations and he's doing it in front of everyone. Like I say, overlap daily, he's going to be getting it daily. But on the flip side, obviously if they're doing well, then he's going to have that praise. But that is, like I say, that's the reason why I'm not a manager because he'll be doing everything he possibly can. And all his coaching staff will and all his players will. All the boys that are starting, they'll be just trying to find that winning formula And it can flip quickly. We all know a big result tonight, a good team performance, away from home, in front of your away fans who travel with you and United travel well.

14:16But on the flip side, when that pressure keeps growing, it's not a nice place to be. No, and particularly when you're the goalkeeper. Yeah. And Gary Neville's been talking about Senna Lamonts and says he looks like it's a struggle in his mind. He said, I don't want it. And he said, Gary's like, I'm not a lip reader, but I think there was a little swear word in there as well. Oh, the goalie basher. Is it? Yeah, OK, fine. But is there something in that? Is there something in Senna Lammons not actually wanting the ball? No, there's something in saying, stop giving me the ball, because it's not, it's no, it's stop giving me the ball and you play.

14:53That's what you're employed to do. Now, sometimes when you can go a little bit in your shell and you can feel the Old Trafford's amazing, right? I'd imagine when you're playing well. But when it's not, you hear the moans and groans, even in amongst 70 ,000. So it is easier to go back to Lammons. Now, Lamont's been brought in last season, done an excellent job for Manchester United. He is not the heart of the team when it comes to playing up and building. So you can give him the ball all you want, but I think as a strong player and as a strong goalkeeper, and sometimes you've got to stand up for yourself, say, stop just shoveling the ball back to me.

15:24Use me as an option. If you're going to play out, use me. Options, play, play, play. Don't just give me the ball. And that's why, yes, he may well have been lip read saying, stop giving me the fucking ball. And I'd say exactly the same thing. and that's a strength. And he needs to be really, really strong in his position now because it's very, very easy to keep shoveling and funnelling the ball backwards. But as a goalkeeper, no matter what you say, and obviously I'd have been criticised before in the past, you are not in there to make the team tick in the difficult times. You're there to make it work, be an extra man.

15:56If you can be an 11th player when you're not having to have your goalkeeping duties, great. But you're not there to solve the problems of how the team build up. And that is what he'll be experiencing at the moment. Maybe that's to do with the fact that the role of a goalkeeper has changed. It's almost kind of become that. No, honestly, it's not. Your role as a goalkeeper, in terms of playing as one of the 11 outfielders, if you like, is not to dictate play. Your job is to be a part of a working cog in a system that works. Not, right, you do something with this, you pick out that pass, you play through those lines.

16:29No, no, no, it's absolutely not. It's receive the ball, have at least two or three options, and have the clarity and the calmness to use them. Now I know there was an example a couple of minutes in when he got turned over and Solanke ended up having the shot and he made the save. And that's a bad moment. That's a bad moment. Of course it is. He'll watch that back and realise that ball was never on. But you've got to remember that he's been told to stand on the ball, probably have his two centre-half show, have a number six show for the bounce pass. Now he's probably a little bit of clarity, a little bit of motion.

16:58He's given a bad pass there. Like I say, he'll assess that. but his job isn't to belt it through the lines and to bring on pressure. His job is to keep it ticking and make it recycle and have everyone showing. Now that's when you can get your running stats up. As a centre-half, I promise you Kelly, if you're a two centre-halfter or a midfielder and you go back to the goalkeeper, now you've got to work so hard to be stood with the goalkeeper here and your two centre-halves here because as a pressing team that means that you've got these options with the split. Are you going to mark him? Are you going to mark him?

17:29Or are you going to take him? Now, obviously, there's that full court press that sometimes will happen. But then you can have the relaxed. If everyone's going to come on, you can clip it into the front, man. Now, I know I'm being boring now. I know I'm being boring. You know, I'm interested. I'm not sure anybody else is, but I'm interested. But that's where the energy can come, Kelly. That's where you get your anger. And, you know, I worked, I didn't work really with any coaches who wanted that until I was with Ange at Celtic. And you need to be given, if you're going to ask your team to play, then you need to be backed up by the manager.

17:58say like if I was left holding the ball and no one showed for me and I got tackled and it went in I had absolute confidence that three heads would be getting ripped off before mine so that we had those kind of non-negotiable conversations of if you want to pass it back you need to show so you can play and at the moment he's being left I think a little bit with the ball people are like I say in the Premier League people are smelling bud they're fit they're strong they're athletic and they're cutting down his options so he's ended up either having to shovel it forward are quite a hopeful one that could be gobbled up.

18:27Or the boys aren't getting deep enough and working hard enough in to play out and play with that extra man. So at the moment, it's all getting a little bit messy. And that's probably ended up with him saying, as the great goalkeeping expert Gary has picked up, stop giving me the ball. Yeah, and not because he doesn't want to play, but because he's like, I'm not the right option for you. That makes sense. They're the hard conversations you've got to have in the dressing room because you need to be able to speak to your teammates and speak to them and you need the coaching staff to back you up and the goalkeeper coach and say, look, I am not here as a number 10.

18:58You've got people like Bruno Fernandes on that field and I'm not saying it's down to him. They're the people you need to be getting the ball to. Not me. Not Lamins. 80 yards from goal with three or four people staring at it. If the team's doing well, the goalkeeper shouldn't be that involved at all. But if you really want to be... People always talk about Edison knocking it 80 yards, 90 yards. but the brilliance of Edison was the way that he had the angles and his way of pass. It wasn't necessarily him spraying it the length of the field. It was John Stones passing it, watch the energy that John Stones used to put in and Diaz and all these sorts of players to get back to give him the options.

19:35So Edison could just stand there looking nonchalant with the ball under his foot knowing he had these two here. He could also go into the midfield, it was a De Bruyne or a Fernandinho or it was a Rodri at some point who was going to be able to bounce out to the centre-halves. But he had that extra cannon of being able to put it 70, 80 yards. But what he did at the back was so precise and so calm. And it's very doable what he did, apart from that little extra that he had. Because Edison is, when we were talking about the sort of changing role, I know you're saying the fundamentals don't change.

20:07But it is a role that does look like it's really developed over the past few years. and Edison sort of feels like a bit of a poster boy for that. He was certainly the most high profile of the keepers and when Pep made that change, there was the kind of perception that maybe that's not your game at all. And do you think that's, is that fair? Have you been kind of part of that change? Did it move in your time? It moved and it moved when Pep made the change that he made with me. I don't, you know, I had conversations. I was a top keeper. I can sit here comfortably and say that I could have worked on my game, but it wasn't in my game because I'd never done it.

20:51And he came in and he said to me, I haven't got the time to work with you. He didn't know whether I could or whether I couldn't. But he said, right now and how I want to play, it's such an important cog in my wheel. If I'm going to come to the Premier League, I need to know that my goalkeeper can do it. And that is why he was going for it. It was Bravo and Ter Stegen, because they were both number ones at Barcelona. Now, he knew they could do that. He didn't know whether I could do it. He knew I could keep goal. He knew I could make saves. And whether I could or whether I couldn't, he didn't have the time or...

21:22Well, like we talked about, he knew he didn't have the time, if I couldn't, for him to make me better at it, because he'd have had to work with me, the whole team, when you've got fixtures, you've got Premier League games, you've got Champions League games. So I never really got the opportunity to do it. And we shook hands and I've dealt with that a million times and wished each other luck. I think you said as well, and it wasn't, like you said, it wasn't a personal point against Pep, but you've said it since that that decision that he made sort of changed the perception of you as a goalkeeper.

21:53Oh, yeah, of course it did. And, you know, that's the world, like I say, that I've lived in and I've loved living in it. Because there's been many conversations prior to that where I was that guy, you know, coming up, winning the Premier League, playing for England, England number one, Plenty of good stuff comes with it, so I'm not going to groan at the bad stuff. And then, look, did I, at the ball at my feet, could I do what Edison could do, for example? Absolutely not. But that is like comparing everyone who plays on that right side of a front three to Lionel Messi, because he's the elite. He's one of the greatest, if not the greatest, ball-playing goalkeepers to ever play the game.

22:28So to use him as the example is completely unfair, because there's so many good players out there that can play, So many good goalkeepers that can play in the system that you're being asked to play, which is kind of keep the ball rotating, be brave enough to stay on the ball and then make those good decisions under pressure. But to compare to him is not fair. Yeah. Do you think it will change? Do you think it will come back full circle? That there'll be a more sort of... Look, the first job of a goalkeeper is to stop balls going in the back of the net. But it feels as though almost the pendulum swung almost to the point where actually that ability to play those kind of Edison-style passes almost started to become too important when you were assessing a goalkeeper.

23:14Do you think it's going to go full circle or will it settle somewhere in the middle? What do you think? It will settle somewhere in the middle because I think it's right that it's the evolution of the goalkeeper. Of course, it's a position you're... To have the time that you have to work and the energy and the technology that you've got, it's going to evolve. I think we're at a nice place right now. I watch people like David Rea, even Donnarumma at the weekend. He was excellent with his feet, really calm. Not over-complicating it, but it's all down to the team system. But those two goalies that I mentioned there make big, big says for their teams in big moments.

23:49So I like how it's evolving. The world keeps spinning and football gets better and better and better, and I love that about it. And it will change, you know. It might be back to lumping it in a couple of years, and then it will change again. but that's, you know, who am I? It's also determined by how teams play against you as well. Yeah, 100%. It's a reactive thing as well. And at the top level, I think there's going to be your core things that you need, being able to be calm on the ball, being able to have good understanding with your teammates and that lamens moment that we're talking about, all pulling in the same direction, but then when someone shoots, be set and make a big save, that will never go out of the game.

24:24You can tell it's week one, because when I started asking you about Pep and leaving City, I'm like, and if you were, when he made the decision? Yeah, yeah, here we go again. Come on, we're better than that. We're better than that one. Listen, a few weeks in, I'll be punching. It'll be completely different. This is the story of The One. As a shipping manager, he's running the dock, stocking supplies, and making sure every order goes out on time. And Grainger helps him stay prepared. From shipping supplies, to PPE, to hand tools, he counts on Grainger to keep products moving and trucks rolling. So his operation runs smoothly, no matter the shift.

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28:13The Manchester City players and the Manchester City fans have decided that defiance is very much the way forward. I mean, you can understand it. There's a couple of ways that we can look at this, because so much has been said. Has it? I've not noticed. Have you followed any of this story? Oh, my God. We can get you a little brief, and we can get you up to speed on it. I think I've got a law degree, or everyone else seems to have one. But I think the human aspect of this is almost the most... There's people. Oh, right. There's people involved. I didn't know that. People, not that lawyers aren't people.

28:50Yeah, I know what you're saying. But I feel like that's almost the most interesting part of this. Because first of all, from a player's point of view, the question was, how are they going to react to this? How are they going to react to playing in games where, to all intents and purposes, any points that they get this season might not count if they end up with a points deduction at some time between now and May. And it certainly won't happen for at least 12 weeks. But if that happens, these points might not matter. So how would the players deal with that? And what we saw in the game against Liverpool, not just in terms of the way they played, particularly in the second half, but with the celebrations at the end, is that there's a fighting spirit in there.

29:32Yeah, 100%. And how can there not be? They're representing a club, a fan base, that is staying united with how they feel. Or City. Well, yeah, you know what I mean. But the messaging coming out, the conversations that are having internally, it's especially internally now i'm talking about that you is that what we see on the pitch the product of those internal conversations yeah is that does that tell you the product of i mean as much you you know what's what's being said because you'll know like some of the the voices in that in that dressing room but is what we're seeing on the pitch what you think and know is being said in that dressing room one million percent that is a team united that is a team sticking together that's a team that believes in its ownership, believes in the people above him.

30:16But look, me as a player, I was never going to get politically involved in anything that was going on. I was going to ask the question, if I'm in that Manchester City team, I'm walking through the door, I'm asking Maresca, I'm asking Ferran if he's in the building, where are we standing here? What are we doing? And they're going to look me back and I'm sure they have looked back in the eye and said, don't worry about it, we'll take care of that. You just go worry about Anfield on Sunday. Done. End of. End of conversation. Any higher conversation, that's for the people that you employ around you.

30:48You know, your agents, your financial advisors, your lawyers. That's their conversation. That's their job. But as a footballer, there's nothing better than walking into that room and just trying to be good as you possibly can at football and good as you possibly can as a team. And they've done that admirably, if that's the word. Do you know what? I think there's sort of two sides to the reaction from Manchester City. It's the one of the players, as you said, just going out and doing their jobs and being absolutely focused and using it as fuel, this kind of sense of the world's against us and we're going to prove everybody wrong and we're just going to do what we can do.

31:24And also the fuel of winning, you know. And that's ingrained into them. Yeah, ingrained into them. And a 100 % record at the top of the table. They've got something really to fight for at the moment. um the other things and you see the the fans taking the inflatable bananas which is i i felt about a million years old when everybody was good why are they taking bananas because they did this in the 80s and nobody and yeah and anyway i felt very old having to explain that to people but also the they had the retro shirts on you know giving that message the club was here before these owners and we've been here from before the period of incredible success and we're going to continue with that but then there's also that you know they're going in like walking when they were walking into Anfield and they're singing we know what we are and like talking about them being cheats and being and and there's definitely an element of pantomime to that like playing up to that that villain role but there is somewhere between being you know defiantly a city supporter and saying we don't care what goes on we're still going to support our club and actively embracing the guilty verdict that they've been given.

32:35That's quite a hard line to tread, isn't there? It's a really hard line. Because they would be within their rights. I know there was a banner at Anfield that said about a generation of fans being cheated, and I think that was more about the fans of clubs who didn't achieve what they wanted to because Manchester City were in their way. But some City fans would be within their rights to feel that if there are titles removed, they would be within their rights to be angry at the owners, to say, you've put us in a position where we've had all these moments and now they're telling us they don't count for anything because you didn't do what you were supposed to do.

33:16I think this whole conversation, this whole... Everything about this Manchester City case, the legal case with the Premier League, there's so many different perspectives to look at it from. And there's so many different angles. And no one's... I've obviously sat back and listened and understood that people are going to have their say and people are going to feel personally aggrieved with the likes of the players who will feel that if Manchester City are proven guilty... Well, they have been proven guilty. Sorry, after the appeal process. So after the appeal process. But at the moment, they're guilty.

33:53If they win the appeal, then they'll be not guilty. But at the moment, that's just the fact of the matter, is that they are guilty at the moment. No, exactly what you're saying, but that needs to go to appeal and that needs to play out before I'm going to use anything in stone. Because at the moment, it's in appeal and Manchester City have said that they're not guilty of what they've been charged of. And like I say, I've said it on record, I've got nothing but love for that club. and the owners, the brilliant people, people that I've worked with, they've given me good news and they've given me bad news, but they told me the truth.

34:29So I'm leaving it with them. Obviously, there'll be a different conversation to have once we get to the end of this appeal. But how people feel, I think it's a free-for-all at the moment, and rightly so. I think rightly so, and people are allowed to feel aggrieved and angry and feel wronged. We've got to let the process of appeal play out. But you talk about the Manchester City fans, I'm sure there'll be plenty feeling exactly the same because, you know, they've got, with the guilty verdict as it is at the moment, that's not a nice place to be. But as many represented at the weekend, and, you know, I signed for Manchester City in 2006 when the first job was to stay up, and I still felt the same emotion that I feel for the club now.

35:09I know so many people, I've grown up, everything in my life changed in terms of growing into a man and family and all those sorts of things I did with that club, and that's why I stand with them, with the people who, like you say whatever happens they're going to love Manchester City they will love them and if it's whatever you know obviously I hope it's in the Premier League and the Champions League but if things happen that mean that they have to do it somewhere else they will they mean it and in terms of embracing it on a football to go into a football match you've been in stadiums you think that people actually think about consequences once they walk into that stadium about how they behave they're not the same people that when they go and be a geography teacher or work in wherever they work that's the freedom of a football stadium trust me I felt it I've seen some of the most pathetic people five yards away from me telling me they're going to kill me telling me they're going to do this to me and I look at these people and think do you realize like if this barrier isn't stopping you from doing anything absolutely nothing but people go into that cauldron and that environment and say and do what they want and whether you like it or not that's going to happen especially in the Premier League I was in America this weekend watching doing some Premier League work.

36:16It was really cool and I loved it. I was in fan zones and everyone, all different shirts, all different clubs, everyone together enjoying the game. And it was nice and I loved it but I would never take away the passion and energy and the hatred and the animosity in the stadium. So judge people on how they behaved on Sunday in those 90 to 120 minutes or whatever it was, you can't. It wasn't about a criticism of it but it was saying if you're going to embrace it and set yourself up as a... I think they're embracing it because they mean it. They're standing with their owners as we stand there. I'm sort of distinguishing between being sort of defining themselves as City fans and saying we're City fans regardless.

37:06What I'm saying is embracing the guilty verdict is... It's another end on that line, isn't it? We all know that they're not going to be doing that if it was a serious account of all the other things that you can be found guilty of in life. You don't laugh about it. But like I say, in that 120 minutes when you're in the stadium and you're causing chaos, I've heard a lot worse said to me on a weekly basis than embracing charges. Does it affect the Premier League titles, the two of them, that you won? Does it affect how you feel about them? We'll see. But does it affect how you feel regardless? If there is a sanction, if they strip City of those titles, will it affect how you feel about them?

37:53So I got asked that, and I ended up not going on TV in America because they said they didn't want it to turn into anything that it didn't need to turn into. And they asked if my name comes up and it says two league titles. Oh. And what am I going to do about that? What can I possibly do? You know me well enough now, Kelly. I certainly don't walk in the room and bang medals on the table. I couldn't care less. Oh, I'd love it if you did that. That would be amazing if you just carried them around with you the whole time. Every time people talked, you just went, there they are. And we're all different people, and people have shocked.

38:28Because I've been asked this question internally, family. What does it matter to me, whether it says it or not? I'm so proud when I lifted those trophies and worked just as hard as everyone else does in the Premier League and any league, Sunday League, worked just as hard. and there was nothing better than having it put around my neck. But whatever plays out over the next couple of months plays out, but it's not going to affect how I feel about my football and my career because I don't really look at it like that. I'm so happy and proud to have done what I've done, but I don't do it anymore. I honestly don't do it anymore.

39:00Trophies and that, I don't think they define me. I would have said that if I was sat here and this wasn't a conversation. So let's see how it plays out. The reason I asked is because Stephen Gerrard talked about it on the Overlap Daily with Becky. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. We'll play it.

39:19And I've heard a lot of City players, a lot of City fans and celebrity fans say, you can't take them moments away from us. What about the memories Dave took away from not just possibly me and the team that I played in, but over that period of time, nine, ten years? and Spurs fans, United fans, Everton fans, teams at the bottom, teams in the Cups. The City ex-players, current players and the City owners and everyone connected with City have got to think about the memories that they potentially have stolen away from everyone else. And that's the thing, he also went on to say not just about the memories that they've taken from other clubs potentially But also that he said if they took away Istanbul from Liverpool, the Champions League win in Istanbul, despite having had the most incredible moments in that stadium, he would feel furious.

40:23He said he couldn't forgive the owners. He wouldn't be able to look them in the face. And that's where I think that there will be people who will feel that anger and that frustration. It's a bit like if you've met someone, you fall in love, you get married, you have kids, you have an amazing life with them for 10 years, and then you find out all the time there was someone else in the background. And it's like, it doesn't change how you feel about it. It doesn't change that those moments happened, but it does change the context of them. I didn't see that analogy, Kelly. No, well, there you go. But what Steven Gerrard, the Stevie Gerrard, is saying, is perfectly within his rights to ask those questions.

41:04Of course he is. He's one of the greatest, if not the greatest, that I've ever played with, someone I look up to as a person and as a friend. And he should feel like that. Of course he should feel like that. But in terms of how I feel and the emotion that I'm in right now, I'm in amongst it. I'm right in amongst it. with my club and kind of my people on the line. Is it hard for you? No, it's not, because there's no room to feel like that yet. And I totally understand what Stevie's saying. And maybe in a few years, whenever this plays out, whoever it plays out, there's going to be time for reflection.

41:40But right now, as a Manchester City person and a former player and someone who adores the club, like I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot in the moment, there's no room to feel like that right now it feels like everyone's coming to Manchester City and rightly so as you said, proven guilty at the moment pending appeal and like I say, I can't get into Stevie's head right now like I say, he's free how he wants to feel I can only be me and how I feel in this situation and like I say, you let everyone speak and do what they need to do and all the potential repercussions and the list goes on leave them to feel how they want to feel How am I ever going to soften that blow right now for someone, especially like Stevie, who fully deserved to be a Premier League winner because of his brilliance and the years that he played in the Premier League.

42:27But that's for him to worry about right now. Like I say, I'm going to sit in my position with the club, strong, understanding. I think that's really important to be a Manchester City person right now. You've got to be understanding of how people feel. But at the moment, pending appeal, I sit here and that's how I feel. You're lucky we did that one and not the quote from Roy Keane where he said if he was a Manchester City player, he'd throw his medals in the bin. Yeah, good for him. So we didn't show that one. You can show that one if you want because he speaks like how people might want to feel.

42:59He's not in that situation. He's never been in that situation. So it's very easy to say those sorts of things. But I'm in that situation and I certainly don't feel that. No, because you put in the effort that you put in. Well, yeah, it's not down to effort. It happened. But it is down to effort. I mean, everything that you expended... I don't expect anything for effort, though. ...over the course of a title-winning season. Yeah. Everything that you go through physically and mentally, and that's only just scratching the surface. Everything that you... That doesn't change. It doesn't. But like I say, we're in a situation where it's gone well above my head.

43:33Yeah. Like, legally, litigation, that's not my strength. And that's for the people to deal with. Can you help us? I mean, we're going to have to do this a lot during the course of this season. Yeah. Can you help us try and find a way to assess what results mean for Manchester City at this point with that kind of sword hanging over their heads of what the sanctions could possibly be? Because we could end up in a situation where City are going great guns at the moment, really good performance, particularly in the latter stages of the game against Liverpool at Anfield. They carry on playing like that.

44:09They've already got 100 % record. they could be clear at the top of the table heading into Christmas which is the first time that there will be any chance that there could be any sanctions imposed. So do we say Manchester City put themselves in a really good place in the title race? What do we say between now and then? You say that. They are in a really good position. I'm an in-the-moment kind of person and if I was a player right now that's how I'd feel. So if you're asking me do I speak for the world, absolutely not. Do I speak for the world? That would be amazing. You came on this podcast and said today, I am going to speak to the world for the world.

44:48Some people think they do speak for the world. But I'm making it very clear that I speak for myself and how I feel and what I'd be doing. So whether it's right or wrong, it will be proven in the future. But right now, as far as I'm concerned, as a Manchester City player, if I'm in their heads, I'm rolling out to try and win this league. I've got PSG on Wednesday. That's my next focus. And all I can do is try and win that game. And like I say, whatever goes on above my head with the people who are involved in those sorts of things, that's their battle right now. I can only live in my world. And my world, as well as a Manchester City former player and a supporter, is looking forward to the game Wednesday and see what we can do.

45:24That was Joe Hart speaking for the world. That was. No, not for the world. Very clearly not for the world. Very clearly not for the world. PSG, as you said. Yeah. First home game. Yeah. And if we thought there was defiance at Anfield from the City fans, I mean, there's going to be a whole stadium full of it. They already boo the Champions League anthem at Manchester City. They're going to be taking on PSG, so it's going to be a really tough... This would have been a really tough high-profile game anyway. Pep Guardiola is going to be back in the stands, his first return to Manchester City. I mean, just adding to the visuals of that show of solidarity.

46:01I mean, there's a game of football going to break out at some stage as well. Yeah, there will, and it'll be a hell of a game of football as well. two unbelievable teams PSG had a bit of a slow start to the season but you know what they can do in this competition they've proven it in the last two years and like I say it's one of those where the press conferences will be interesting everything about the game will be interesting but if I can go back into that kind of player world there's nothing better than lining up against the best there's nothing better than having that competition and you can almost the noise is silenced for however long that game is You know, if City get beat, it's a victory for football.

46:42If they win... There's your quote. There's the bit that's going to be clipped up. If City get beat, it's a victory for football. Joe Hart, speaking for the world. Speaking for the world, as always. But I just want to get in the heads of the players. This is where I go, where I disappear to when I kind of look off into the distance and just think, you can go and absolutely test yourself against the best. And like I say, whatever will happen will happen. Pep being back in the building will be a nice feeling, it'll be a safe feeling. And they'll be together, Manchester City, for this. And I think they're going to be throughout the process of whatever happens, like I say.

47:18But, yeah, look forward to a big game on Wednesday night.

47:25Welcome to Primetime Play, brought to you by SkyVegas. We are delighted to be here, obviously, making sure the entertainment continues between the games. That's what SkyVegas is all about. iconic entertainment. There you go. Speaking of which, Icons Week is hitting our screens this week on Strictly Come Dancing. Are you a dancer? What do you think? Am I an asker? I've thrown down. I've thrown down every now and again. I think 100 % you're a dancer. When the moment's right. And I think you probably think you're quite a good dancer. I'm an aggressive dancer. What's an aggressive dancer? Feel it and go for it.

48:02What does that even mean? Well, there's obviously the flowing and the rhythmical, and there's someone who just feels it, and it's like, that's in me, and I'm going for it. Sweaty, sweaty, aggressive dancer. Top can come off during dancing as well. Does it? Committed, yeah. Really? And round the head? Round the head. OK. If there's a group of people, are you someone who dances at people rather than with them? I'm dancing for me. I'm dancing for me, and I'm enjoying it for me. Like Robin, dancing on your own. Well, similar, but no. Sean McPhillips, obviously, who is lovely, is on Strictly. Was he a dancer?

48:43Was he a kind of aggressive mover on the dance floor? Sean went aggressive, no. Sean was... He's a lover, not a fighter. Sean's awesome. Sean's just that guy. Just so lovable, just the fact that he kind of floats through crowds, kind of half people's height, but has an amazing presence and awe around him. Always looking for a good time, always looking to be happy, excitable. As soon as I knew that he was lined up with that show, I was like, that couldn't work any better. Yeah. He's having a bit of a sticky time, though. He was in the dance-off at the weekend. Have you seen much of him? I watched his first performance.

49:17With the hat? Yeah, and I was so pleased. I'm dead proud of him. It's not easy to do that, to put everything aside and put yourself in that situation. And as expected, he's given everything he possibly can. I think that's the feedback that I'm hearing, especially from his dance partner. You can't ask for more than effort, right? Not everyone can dance, as I would prove if I ever did it. No, I'm pleased for him. Would you do it? No. Strictly? No. No, I don't think so. Well, I'll just have to work a bit harder to get you up then. Thank you for joining Primetime Play with Sky Vegas.

49:56Arsenal kicking off their Champions League campaign as well. Yeah. Man United, as we've already spoken about, travelled to Atletico Madrid, Arsenal at home to Lille. It's not been the ideal preparation, though. There have been a few strange injuries happening post-match as well. It's giving Steve Morrow. Steve Morrow fell off Tony Adams' shoulders after they won the League Cup final. Right, OK. And injured himself really badly. It's got those kind of... But these are post-game training sessions, aren't they, that they've got injured in? and a lot of people will presume it was something like what you just said there with Steve Morrow.

50:33But these sessions are so important and they're so well put together because often clubs now will want their teams to have a recovery day after the game. Obviously you can't do a recovery day if you haven't actually got on the pitch. Now the warm-up will be the same before the game, but afterwards it's changed and evolved so much, whereas previously, starting my career, if someone's asked to do a post-training session, it would be runs, you'd run the length of the pitch. Now you'll often see when you're doing a wrap on games, you'll see that the goals come out and the small-sided games will be built up.

51:06Now everything's done so to the letter of the law and so well. Arsenal, I imagine, have got an incredible medical department. Now the mentality of a player is a little bit different. You've got to be able to just get over yourself a little bit and realise that you're going to have to do the work when everyone else is relaxing. But as I say, a modern-day professional won't find that difficult. so it's only like them getting injured in training. It just sounds worse that you say post-game. It sounds like they've just gone out there, had a kickabout and pulled their hamstring. That won't have been the case.

51:34It would have been, they like to build into the session and have a proper, when you've got that session after a game, which used to be the day after, you keep it as light-hearted as you can. You have a little five-a-side game at the end, but they'd have done everything they possibly could to be ready for it, so it's just unfortunate. Yeah, no incapier and Zubomendi then for Arsenal. It's a shame they haven't got a big enough squad to cope with it. isn't it? Where, I mean, there have been, I mentioned Steve Morrow, but there have been some, like, ridiculous injuries that have happened, like, involving remote controls and ketchup bottles and all kinds of things.

52:09But even Jordan Henderson. Yeah. I mean, it's just... We were in the studio, weren't we, when that was going on? And then we were like, what on earth is going on here? But it can happen, you know? You can't rule it out. and like I say, it sounds ridiculous, but Jordan Henderson, for whatever he is, the Premier League captain of Liverpool and Champions League, he is just a lad who tried to hop over a board, put his hand down and it snapped. He's just a player standing in front of a board, asking it to love him. Asking it to be nice to him. But stuff can happen all the time. The amount of near misses that I've had, you don't go home and just sit there and wait.

52:48People who've got young children, you're still playing football in the garden or you might go and do something else and stuff can go wrong all the time. Seems to happen a lot to goalkeepers. Yeah, go on. Canizara's missed out in the 2002 World Cup. He shattered a bottle of aftershave in his hotel sink. Can happen. And then a piece of glass severed the tendon in his big toe. How about that? Dave Besson dropped a bottle of salad cream on his foot. It wasn't ketchup, it was salad cream. Right. Yeah, so he severed the tendon. His big toe again. Right, OK. Another tendon in his big toe. Steel toe caps right in the house.

53:19He was out of action for eight weeks and David James put his back up when he reached for the remote. Oh, I've reached for things before and just frozen in time. What's your weirdest injury? Easy, Kelly. Genuinely, don't do it. It's only week one, Joe. So one beautifully shaped finger here. Yeah. That was... It's not full Rob Green, though. No, it's not full Rob Green. Which is at 90 degrees. Yeah, luckily. That was off the back of getting to threes, put my arm around Kasper Schmeichel, got it caught in his jumper immediately went on no took my glove off and it was pointing over there because you got your finger caught in a jumper what was it knitted with put your arms put your arms around no this is in training put your arms around each other so I threw my arms around this one with the glove on got stuck that hand continued this one bent and then I just you just know as a goalie because it happens all the time so I took my glove off and it was pointing that way then just came bashed it back in that's another one we'll do footballers and their injuries.

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57:34October the 13th, 1894, marks the first ever Merseyside derby. Everton beat Liverpool 3-0. Right. In the best football derbies, and you've played in a lot of them, actually. I've played in some cool ones. Yeah. In the best football derbies, does Merseyside make your top five? Merseyside derby. Not necessarily the ones you've played in. Do you want to know why it doesn't make my top five? So the answer's no, and go on. Because I've got no skin in the game. I am so lucky that I've played in some awesome derbies. So for me to even consider anyone else's when I've experienced what I've experienced is impossible.

58:08Manchester, Midlands. Hold on, hold on. Go ahead. Shrewsbury time versus Wrexham. Sorry, I missed that one. The Shrews, the mighty Shrews. That was a good... What are you, if you're from Shropshire, a salop, is it? Pride Salopian. Salopian. No, that's Shrewsbury. That's not Shropshire. Oh, is that Shrewsbury? That's Shrewsbury in its own. Okay. So that was a good... Then I played Birmingham versus Aston Villa. Yep. That was cool. Yeah. I've played, said, I've played Torino versus Juventus. Oh, yeah. Derby de la Mole, I think it is. Yeah. Said no one in my accent. I don't know. But yeah. Glasgow Derby.

58:43Yeah, the old firm games. The old firm. And when fans were in as well. Yeah, when they were in. I've done, obviously, City, United. So your favourite one is? No chance. No chance. Because every single one, you feel that energy of that town and that city. Yeah. Thank you, Joe. Oh, we're done. But, yeah, it's been a pleasure. Oh, cool. Have you enjoyed it? I loved it. Good. You come back? Not next week. Ash is in. Wow, you dropped me that quick. Well. Look, we've got two very good guests, and this is a squad game. Is it a squad game? It's a long season. Wow. And we just need to make sure that everybody has minutes under their belt.

59:21We don't want anybody kind of, you know, playing themselves too much and we don't want anybody kind of not getting their match fitness. We need to be... So don't worry, Joe, your time will come. Yeah, I'll keep working in the background. Just keep doing what you're doing. I'll keep working in the background, all right.

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