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3:08Which is ridiculous. Just one coffee a day, would you say? So it's all morning. Yeah. What kind of tea? Yeah, this is what I'm saying. I'm not talking coffee now. No, so obviously I... So you're a man of strong people. I do like your way of making tea. What a man you are. My way? Well, English. The English way, just sticks whatever you have in, put some milk in and then that's nice now and again. So it doesn't matter what tea brand... It does. When I'm home with my wife, it's where, yeah. we do different things, you know? Yeah. Right, well, what we're... The tea. We're talking about tea. Tetley's teabag.

3:54Incredible. Tetley's tea. All right. Or the debate is Yorkshire. So we're going... Oh, my God, can't go there. Because of the wrong side of the Pennines. No, no, no, can't go there, sorry. But that's a moral... Thank you. Can't do anything. No, no, no, no. We killed, I'm sorry. Anything in Yorkshire. Peter has just said no Yorkshire. I appreciate a point of principle. I admire a point of principle. That's not yours. You're based on taste, which is incorrect. Technically, this is much better.

4:23Hello, welcome to the Overlap Daily, brought to you by SkyVegas, making sure the entertainment continues between the games. On today's Overlap Daily, we'll get reaction to Harry Kane winning the Ballon d 'Or, and we'll be talking to Ashley Young and Peter Schmeichel about all things Manchester United, Michael Carrick, and what the future holds for their old club. So let's get stuck in.

4:57Do you need tea today? How is the ball on door? Look, we'll talk about the football part of it and the winners. Let me go right to the end. If it hadn't been for Harry winning it, oh, my God. Honestly, I would have remembered that night as one of those nights I would never, that time you'd never get it back. Because of what? So this is a live TV programme. It starts at 8 o 'clock. It's going to go out at 8 o 'clock. We are worked in TV. We know it's bang on. With a minute to go, it'd be counted down. People have to sit down. Five to nine, they say. And we're just sitting there. Yeah, I bet you were just sitting there really calm.

5:37Just like, this seems fine. It happens when it happens. It just felt like a chaos. But anyway... It's not set up like here, then, is what you're saying, is it? But when Michael Owen won it, he just got a phone call. Yeah. Said, you've won the Ballon d 'Or. That's the best way to do it, isn't it? Just a quick phone call. Off you go. Yeah, you won. All right, yeah, thanks. Actually, I agree a little bit with doing, like, a big show. Yeah. But then do a big show, a proper show, you know? Yeah. Well, you agree because you were giving out the goalkeeper award. I did, yes. Was it a nice one? No, it was nice.

6:06It was very... I mean, what he did... Deserving. Oh, my God. He conceded one goal. He beat every record, clean sheet record for minutes ever set. And he won the World Championship. Are you the kind of goalkeeper who is really supportive of other goalkeepers or do you watch really critically? Which one do you do? Both, I think. Yeah? So you pick all the... I would never criticise a goalkeeper for making a mistake. But in your head, would you? Not really. I would speak to them about it. If I get to talk to them about it. Because I think with goalkeeping, you are going to make mistakes. You're going to make mistakes like you.

6:51You're going to miss a chance. And it's going to cost a goal. So I think the finest out of goalkeeping is how do you recover from that? What is the next second going to be like for you? You've literally got to take it and put it to one side. Then you can think about it after the game. Is that easy to do though? I think that becomes part of the talent. So I think the guys who end up at the top of the game, they can do that. It's interesting, isn't it, in football, because we talk so much about the physical side of the game. And if somebody has, say, they have a weakness in their hamstrings or whatever.

7:28I'm not a doctor. Are you not? I'm surprised for that. Give me two minutes and I'll talk like I am. Yeah, exactly. But if somebody's got, say, hamstrings or whatever, or they have a weakness somewhere, then you go, oh, they might not make it because they can't. But we're much more careful, which we should be when we talk about the mentality of players. But it's equally, if not more, important. Actually, as evidenced by Harry Kane, is that you've got to have that physical strength, but you've also got to have that mental toughness as well. He's always had that mental toughness, I think. Harry Kane, from the time he was out on loan as a kid, he knew his journey, that he was going to go out on loan, but he always knew he had that focus.

8:13He's so focused on wanting to be the best and working with him at England, for me. I mean, he's definitely up there with one of the best. He's just so... A typical striker. You can't get him off the training pitch. He just wants to do shooting all the time. He wants to score goals, but he brings so much more to the team and helps the team. I think you're seeing that at Bayern in a way. We spoke before, the Bayern game the other day against Arsenal. There's positions that he's dragging centre-halves. I saw Ezra Konza and Harry Kane was on the edge of his box trying to get it off the goalkeeper.

8:52He brought the centre-half all the way here, so he creates space all around the pitch. and it's just fantastic to see him. It was great to see him for me win the Ballon d 'Or. He's an incredibly intelligent player.

9:08Not because you're here, but you did a similar thing in your career. Not that you moved further and further back, but you developed yourself with age so that you were relevant at every age that you played. I don't think there's a lot of players who can do that. so obviously you started out as a winger you had all the use and all the quickness and everything that goes with that and then as you get older you're losing what 5 % of your speed or whatever I was going to lose 10 % yeah I'm trying to be nice but then you play another position and then you become even more relevant and then you move in, in your case obviously you move into really proper leadership.

9:57And those positions that you take up, it's so beneficial for the team. And when it comes to Harry Kane, I was in Munich the other day. And I'm sat there, you're thinking about how, I mean, they played two strikers. They never played two strikers. They bought this striker from the Moroccan striker. And he's completely the opposite of Harry Kane. He's big, he's bulky, He reminded me a little bit of Mark Hughes, if anybody can remember him. The guy that can hold the ball up. You can have two or three people hanging over them. And still a neat player, but he was playing number nine. And I'm going, but that's Harry's place, you know?

10:38Serge Gnab, he was playing kind of in the number 10 position. Where is Harry playing? Well, the short answer is everywhere. He's just everywhere. And the thing about what's interesting, what you said there about Harry in training, He just wants to score goals. Yes, he does. No, actually what he wants now is for his team to score goals. In a way, he doesn't really care if it's him or if it's somebody else. He knows he's going to score goals because he's got this nose about being in the right place at the right time and all that. But the way he's playing his teammates in these days, it's just the pass he had for Alphonse Davies' goal.

11:16My God, not many players in the world sees that. and that's because he just wants to be there. He knows that if he stayed as a proper number nine with age, he would lose that little bit of pace that gets you in front of the defender. So you don't get tackled or he doesn't deflect the ball out for whatever. He then said, no, I'm going to do something else. So he's developed into a provider as well and now he's, my God, he played everywhere. He was a defender at the time. He played at number six and was tackling. You just sit there and you watch and you think, wow, what a good player he is. And you were saying as well, when he went out on loan and he was kind of working his way through lower league teams and he was playing with grown men who, you know, they need the result to pay their mortgage at the end of the month.

12:09And he learned a lot from that experience. But even the players who played with him then don't say, oh he was you know unbelievably talented they say his mentality his work ethic they were all there and I wonder if because of that and because of that perception because he had to fight to get into that that Tottenham team I wonder if maybe he's he's underestimated in terms of the skill set that you've both been talking about with him if if people think well he works really hard do you know I mean he's going to get full marks for effort and that's good so you you almost you almost go past what he actually is capable of doing.

12:45I think that's just been one of the things that he's had to do. From the young age and going out and getting that experience of playing men's football, everyone's going to talk about right now the goals he gets and everything, but it's more than that. There's so much more to Harry Kane's game. He is, the work that he puts in, like I say, it just helps. If I was a winger in that team, it just helps because he can find you on passes. He'll drop deep. You know when he's dropping deep, oh, I'm the winger. I need to go in them spaces. I need to get in them pockets. And he's going to be able to find them passes.

13:26It's why I said that you won't get a more rounded striker, for me, in world football now than Harry Kane. it's a reason why he won the Ballon d 'Or and there's always going to be a debate whether he should or whether he shouldn't it's so opinionated I think this was a tricky one because I think there are probably three or four players in there that you could make a really good argument for and it's not to say one is more deserving of the other it's just a personal preference, isn't it? When you've got elite players When you score 73 goals at the highest level of football this is not League 2 this is the highest level of football this is the World Cup this is for England this is in the Champions League and this is in the Bundesliga when you score that amount of goals you do separate yourself from everybody else and yes I love Mbappe I think he's a fantastic player I would pay and go and watch him I'd go and pay to watch Lamin-Yemal and what they've done in running up to that year before has been amazing I don't think Lamin-Yamal had the greatest World Cup I have to be honest I don't think he was coming back from I think Rodri was he was the key in that team and I think he ended up fourth in that which I think was well deserving but with Harry Kane I mean it was funny because I was sad obviously it was so boring and you finally get you finally get to you finally get to I got a bit emotional about it you know because I spoke to him again after the game and you know and I wish him all the best, and I also said to him, I really do hope that you win this, I think you've deserved it, and he's so humble, you know, he can't say, yeah, I've got...

15:11The other two, they've been out campaigning to win it, you know? They have. They have been campaigning to win it. And it's just, honest, I just think that, for once, on a subjective voting system, who is the best, you know, gold talk and all that, for once, in my opinion, and everybody got it right. I really do believe that he is the most deserving for what he did last season. I think that's the thing. It's so opinionated. It is one of them where you think, and like you say, rightly so, Kylian Mbappe, Laminya Mare, Harry Kane, talking about the three. Any one of them could have won it. And you're talking a lot about Harry Kane goals and stats and I think that plays a massive part in today's football.

16:01Yeah. For me... They're not enough on their own, are they? They're not. Because you've both described what Harry Kane gives to the rest of the team and described the way that his game's developed. Stats on their own feel quite a cold way. I hate stats. Yeah, I'm not a stats person. You just gave us loads on Harry Kane. Yeah, I know, I know. But honestly, I don't think that's... You can't say they're stats as such. Yeah. that's fact. He scored 73 goals. Who scores 73 goals in a season? I've never heard about that before. Maybe back in the 60s or 50s somebody did that. But that's ridiculous. Who is that good at that level?

16:45So we know how much work goes into every game. There's so much stuff at the top level club. And the preparation, what they go on, they read the players. They say, you know, you're going to play against Harry Kane today and therefore he will do this and that and that. And this is how you stop him. Every game. He's up against that every time he goes on the pitch. 73 goals. It's crazy. You've got to be at some elite level to be able to do that. I don't think you're happening. No, I can't see it. If we're talking them kind of goals, you're looking at Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, really. Well, he's broken Lewandowski's records as well, hasn't he, in the Bundesliga.

17:25which I don't think anybody thought they were going to be big. No way. And that's what you're saying. Where we're talking, Harry Kane, what he's done, that is elite level. I'm not big on stats. I'm not big on stats. But you can't get past what he's doing. What he's bringing, he's gone to Bayern. He's won the Bundesliga. He's won the German Cup. you know what he did for England at the World Cup you talk about the two players England, Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane it's not easy to go and score goals at the World Cup we're talking levels like so high for me I want to see someone that is exciting Harry Kane has got stats to prove that but Kylian Mbappe, Laminya Ma I was a winger I want someone that's going to excite me get me off my seat like Peter said there pay to go and watch yes please scoring goals will get you off your seat yeah it would it would but like I said I'm a winger so I want to see someone like going past someone and beating a man really exciting so for me like I said it's so subjective everyone's going to have a different opinion I love Harry Kane like I said being able to see him first hand and working with him on the training pitch he is so tell me a bit more about that tell me about what you know he comes in and what, he's ready to go, relaxed.

18:53He's just focused. He's literally one of them players where he's just excited to train day in, day out. And of course, when you go England at times, you're only there for 10 days or you went to the World Cup 2018 and you're there together three, four weeks, whatever it was. You just see him. He's such a team player. He's such a leader, a captain, that he wants everybody to do well. Of course, there's times he's the striker, he wants to score goals. He thrives off scoring goals. He just loves... I think if he wasn't to score a goal in training, you wouldn't be able to get him back inside. He'd stay out there because that's the man he is.

19:32Yeah, and he's just... That hard work, like, he'll do that. He'll be in the gym all the time. Like, he's eating right, he's sleeping well. He's making sure he's at the level to go out there in training, in matches, to perform. and nobody will take that away from him. And I think that's because of, at such a young age, that's what he had. Yeah, there's a really lovely Instagram post that he put out with his wife where she was waiting backstage and he hugged her and it was just very, very Harry Kane, just very simple. They just look like two people who just fully appreciate each other. He did all, he did all, he did all.

20:07His speech was very good, by the way. And he got around to everyone who's played some kind of part in his career. Did he mention me? You were first. You were there ahead of his life. I think you came under the team, mate. Yeah, that works. But he ended up, of course, with his wife saying, you know, we are a team, you know, the two of us, this is our dream, you know. And it was kind of nice, you know. But it speaks to his character. I mean, you must have been around Flash at the River, the Champions League at the time. when he comes out he speaks to everyone and he's not impatient he's so different to anyone else there isn't anybody like Harry Kane at the moment in the Champions League I'm talking Champions League now he will come out every time I ask for him every time I'm out and he will always come to us and he would either go directly to our studio which always is a good crack or he'll just speak to me but he never says no and I know a couple of these Scandinavian broadcasters who are small relative to TNT or CBS or the bigger ones.

21:25If they ask for him, he will go and speak to them. And that is so, so, so rare. Speaks to his character. I just want to go back a little bit because... So my son also went on, you know, I think he had nine loan moves, which I think is a great education for a young lad to go out, something you said, play with grown men who are depending on the bonus cheque to pay their mortgage. Harry Kane, he was at Leicester when Casper was there. Oh, God, I forgot they would have crossed the line. And it's quite interesting because he never got a minute. I think he got a couple of minutes. He wasn't, but he was on the bench.

22:04but Casper kept saying there's something about this young man there's something about him and obviously these days Casper will say there's too much about him because every time he's played against him he's scoring Harry Kane is Casper's nightmare there'll be a few goalkeepers who've got that right yeah you know but it's interesting because back then he was that young and they were all talking about him so Chris Wood he was there as well so he was the other striker so he was playing and at the time there was a little bit of resemblance between the two of them sort of a physical resemblance but it was Chris Wood at the time who was more ready to play and it's just interesting to understand that this man who's now been voted the best player in the world he had six months there without it playing I can't remember he might have played a couple of minutes but nothing really uh substantial that guy was there for six months never complained never complained just you know everything that was put to him and he was working with great great coaches Craig Shekler one of them so you know it's just interesting to see because we don't see that a lot in football anymore yeah you know it's all about yeah I want I want to play for you, but what do you pay me?

23:28Right? And, you know, I have a lot of things, you know, that goes around where you think, you start with this. I want to play here. You know, I'm going to give everything for that. And I always said that to Casper as well, forget about the money. If you perform well, you will make the money. So how do you get to perform well? Well, exactly what Harry Kane did, you know? You work hard, you eat well, you sleep well, you manage your life you make sure you are you know you're ready for training um and then if something doesn't work fix it in training and keep working on it and it's not rocket science it's the same as if you if you want to be a pianist yeah you got it you got to sit there and do boring scales for for hours and hours and hours if not you will not be a great pianist it's the same doesn't matter what you want to what you want to be good at in life you have to put the I was in and and and you know someone like Harry Kane back at Leicester you know I like that I really like that obviously it's worked out the way it has worked out so to take my son as an example certain certain quarters of the media work they'd use that against him yeah he tried for so long No, he went, every time he went to Darlington to begin with, Barry, you know, League Two, he was at Coventry in the Champions, he was at Cardiff, he just took anything that he could get in order to learn the game.

25:02And that, I mean, I don't know, the rules has changed a little bit on loans as well, which is, I don't get that. But Harry actually ended his speech yesterday by saying something like that. And I would say that to anyone who wants to be as good as Harry Kane, you have to put the hours in. You've got to work hard. You know, when you're young, don't expect everything just to fall into your lap. It will not fall into your lap. You might be talented and then two or three clubs with one shot at the same time and you get a good contract, but that's not the same as to say that now you are a professional footballer because that's a long way to go.

25:40Work hard. Don't think about money. If you want to be a professional football player, are a professional athlete. Put the hours in and if you have the talent, you will make the money in the end of the day. This episode is sponsored by Huel, official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily. Okay, Tim, one less thing in football. We did it last week. What are we going to get rid of this week? I know that you've been thinking about this a lot, long and hard. I have, yeah. There's so much I want to get rid of in this game. So much wrong with a game at the moment. Okay. But something that's really driving me potty.

26:12Go on. Holes in socks. Oh, I don't. See? You like that, don't you? I don't like it. I would have done it. Why? I've got big calves. What it does, it constricts. Yeah, I've got big calves. Hey, Jack, Jack, me and Jack had a calf off a few, a couple of years ago. It was a tight one. He might have just pipped me. But, yeah, I've got big calves. Honestly, that's why. Jack could pipped me one. But I couldn't, I couldn't do. Jack, don't. Imagine doing what Jack does in our day. Pull them down. Oh, well, yeah. So if I put my socks down, playing against you, and you're absolutely steaming into me, He's giving me six studs down my shin.

26:44No, we have to wear shin pads. I couldn't kick you. You used to jump so high. No. You know what I would do? And I'll be thinking about this, actually, Tim. This is an idea for someone. What they should do is, the reason why people cut holes in them, when people go, what are they cutting on? They're cutting because it's a restriction around your calf. Because the first thing that gets restricted when you're running around is you get cramp in your calf, right? Who says this? I know, it's a fact, because you just dropped them to me. No, but they don't. These sports scientists, they know they're running the game, you know.

27:12I know they are. Anyway, every game at Liverpool, I just get a new pair of socks because once they get washed, they get so tight. So what someone should do, the panel with the calf, they should create or just do something where, like, you know women's tights, for instance, they're a bit stretchy. No. Yeah, you do. So that panel like that just make it so it's got a bit more restriction, like a women's tight, but a little bit stronger. So then it expands more. So someone out there wants to do it, create it, and then we can go half-half. Yeah, I'm all in for that then. But that's what... Addie Das Nike, Skechers, someone should create those socks and I'm telling you now, they clean up.

27:49But I'm not getting rid of them. I understand why people cut their socks so I don't know about this one, Tim. I think we're going to disagree to disagree. I want it out. You want it out? I want it out, for sure. What are you going to do? So if a player come out with holes in their socks, what are you going to do? Give him a yellow card. Straight away, it should be straight red. Straight red. They have to wear the strap in the same colour as their sock now and all that, don't they? Why are they cutting holes in their side? There's no reason why they do it. I know you said there is. Medical reasons.

28:15I've asked the guys. Who you are? There's no... Who, what guy? Loads of... What guy? Loads of medical guys. What's his name? Kevin Lidlow. Yeah, all right, OK. He knows everything. He knows everything. But Bellingham... If Bellingham does it, it's all right. It's all right. Does he do it? Yeah, Bellingham does it. He absolutely does it. But no, I'm sorry. I ain't agreeing with this one, Tim. But next week, we'll have another one. We might agree. But this one, absolutely not. I can't agree with you. So I understand why people are doing it. But someone... Game's gone. Someone go out there and create a little panel on the calf and then just sell the painting to Nike or Adidas, whoever does the kits.

28:50You know, when you used to cut your holes in your socks... I didn't cut them in. We weren't allowed. No, but you used to do it. You said you used to cut... No, I used to do new socks. Yeah, new socks. You have to pay for them socks. No, no. Helmet used to give them... I don't know if people know. You know when boys swap their shirts? Yeah. They have to pay for a new one. I know. No, that was at Tottenham. Nowhere else. Is that right? Yeah. Is that right? 100 quid? Yeah. 100 quid? Yeah. 100 quid, but they're getting the shirt for nothing. I know. So where's the 100 quid going? Yeah. I've got...

29:19What's the best shirt you got? I never used to collect them. Did you? Nah. Four. I've not got one shirt up in my house. Not one of my own, even. I haven't even got... No, I don't know. You know the Invincibles? I swapped with Thierry that day when we drew... Was it 2-2? We drew 2-2. I swapped with Thierry Henry that day. I got his shirt. Where? I gave it back to him, to be honest. Because I thought it was just a nice shirt to have for him. Where did you do it? Not in full view of everyone. It was after the game. Yeah, I'd scored. It was all right. No one cared. But I also got Zidane's shirt. That was a good one.

29:52Who needs Tim Sherwood when you've got Zinedine Zidane? Could have got my shirt. If you would have asked me my shirt, I'd have gone no. Who needs Zinedine Zidane when we've got Tim Sherwood? Pouls in socks. We'll agree to disagree, Tim. The verdict's in. Footballers ripping their socks is, I'd say, sort of gone. You guys decide. Well, that's one less thing in football. And with Huel, we've got one less thing to think about when it comes to our nutrition. Huel is a complete meal in a bottle, high in protein, high in fiber with all essential vitamins and minerals. Save£10 on your first order with code DAILY at checkout.

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33:07Welcome to Primetime Play brought to you by SkyVegas. Spooky season is officially upon us. It's also episode 13 of the Overlap Daily so who knows what's going to happen. Is Halloween big in Denmark? Yes it is. Is it? It's growing big. Yeah, because of the American influence. Yeah, I think, I mean, obviously with social media today, borders kind of sort of gone away. Everything that happens in the world happens everywhere. So, yeah, no, it's gone very, very big in Denmark. Yeah. Do you decorate? I do not. Does your family decorate? Nor me. It's not for adults. I've got a little bit too old for that.

33:45But I went to my granddaughter's birthday the other day, and when it came to the house, the whole house was decorated. Yeah. So, yeah, it's in the family. Yeah, it's great when you've got little ones, it's perfect. But when you're adults, I was like, once you get to secondary school, once you get to about 11, 12, I'm like, trick-or-treating is not for you. You can't just go around to strangers' houses and ask for sweets. And people don't even dress up in scary costumes. Sometimes they just dress up as something, like, random, which I don't understand. What did you dress up as? Well, when I was young, people, like, there wasn't.

34:21I'm going to make it sound now that I grew up post-war. I mean, technically I did, but not just post-war. But you would go and you'd get like a plastic mask from like the market or you'd have like a bin bag witch's costume or things like that. Nobody really occasionally get those little plastic fangs that glue, that glowed in the dark or something like that. But did you get dressed up? No, I did. My kids did. Yeah. What did you do when you were young for Halloween then? We didn't have that. We carved turnips, not pumpkins. And you only did one because you'd lose a thumb most of the time. Yeah, the thing is I'm a little closer to that.

34:59Or you talk about the thumb. I'm closer. We didn't have it. No, we didn't have... We weren't influenced by American culture when I was a kid. Like ducking for apples. I don't think I was aware of Halloween until I moved to England. No. It was never in... It was never there. No. What are you scared of? Do you have any phobias? I'm not really scared of anything. It's not like something, oh. Spiders, snakes, the dark. I think, you know, as a parent, as a, you know, I'm scared of anything happens to any of my loved ones. But not scared of anything. I'm not, you know, flying. No, I'm fine with that.

35:42Hides. No, I'm okay with everything, really. I'm the opposite. I'm scared of everything. I don't like spiders. I don't like snakes. I don't like mice. I don't like any of it. Anything that scuttles, anything that scuttles is not in there. No, it's the difference between don't like them and being scared of them. I'm not scared of them, but I don't like them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why would you like a snake? That's a male-female difference. Women are scared, men just don't like them. Were any of the, was there any kind of Halloween stuff at work, like when you were in dressing rooms and stuff? No. Did that ever get into it?

36:15There wasn't like, no, I wouldn't have thought so. I wouldn't have thought so. It would be very... I think our manager at the time would be... Imagine! That's what everybody was scared of, Sir Alex. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. At times, yeah. Could be a bit scary. What if there was a haunted house? Would anybody be the best or worst teammates to go in there? Players that you've played with, who would be the scariest? But then you have to believe them. And who would be the most easily scared? I actually just put that into my head. I probably wouldn't go in there with Sir Alex. Yeah, exactly. The thing about him is, in moments, and I'm really talking about moments, he could be quite scary, but he's one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.

37:00So he needed to get his stuff off his chest and then it was done. But that moment where he needed that could be quite interesting. I'm thinking there could be a Sir Alex Ferguson Halloween costume there, with the zip-up knitwear underneath and a crombie coat. I could speak to his son Jason about that. He looks after him. That would be nice to learn, wouldn't it? Yeah, they could make a bit of money out of that one. Thank you, Peter. Thank you for Sky Vakers. We are going to be sleeping with one eye open tonight and we're all going to be making our Sir Alex Ferguson Halloween costumes.

37:41Imagine if Harry Kane had ended up at Manchester United. He should have. Yeah, absolutely. What really annoys me in everything that's happened in the two weeks is Ten Hag coming out and saying that he wanted Declan Rice and Harry Kane like he was a god, right? Like he was the only person who spotted their potential. It's so ridiculous because he brought Martinez in. Anthony De Ligt I mean he brought players in that are still there and some of them are I can't even remember the left back's name Malassia he brought all these players how dare he how dare he go out and say that everybody knew we should sign Harry Kane everybody knew we should have signed Declan Rice that's no secret and I don't know why we didn't do that but you have now people stirring the pot where they should just keep calm and not talk and then maybe think about what they did for this football club themselves or what they didn't do and it's just the situation is just so bad I think you'll have a lot of managers that have been there that will be able to turn around and say well I was going to sign this player and I was going to sign that player I know when David Moyes come in after the boss rallies there was talk of him saying that Gareth Bale was coming in, Cesc Fabregas was coming in, and in the end, and no disrespect to Marouane Fellaini, he was literally the only man that came in, and they had a deadline of paying a fee for him, and they didn't, they waited, and then paid more, literally two weeks after.

39:24So every manager can turn around and say, well, yeah, I'm going to bring in this player, this player, this player, after the events happened. Like Peter Sernet, Ten Haig will say, yeah, I should have brought in Declan Rice and Harry Kane. Well, of course, you want the elite players. Manchester United has always had elite players. But when you do bring in the players that... Someone for me, like an Anthony, that comes in and does nothing. He was free, wasn't he? I think it was 70 million. Was he not the most expensive teenager in the... I think it was 90 million. I was like, what's going on here?

40:0319 million. And you think, well, why are you talking now? Of course, you've got to say after, but I don't think it's right to be said that way. But I think he's not, Ten Hag is not the only manager to have found that kind of problem at Manchester United. No, but that's not the issue. Sorry, that's not how I brought it up. I'm just, I'm bringing it up because there is no need to do that. Ten Hag didn't he wasn't a success at Manchester United why does he feel the need to come out and say that like what he's saying is I was let down by the club and there might be an element of truth in that but he wasn't good enough and then he went to Bayer Leverkusen a team that just won the Bundesliga and he got sacked within more you know maybe just take a step back and don't put yourself in that situation because then you will end up someone like me criticising him I just don't need for that.

40:57We don't need that in the narrative. We need to, when it comes to Manchester United, we need to, I don't know, we need to help the football club now to recover from whatever it is they have to recover. So that's the first thing that needs to be identified. So let's look then at what needs to happen at Manchester United, what needs to be fixed. And really, it looks like it's a case of where do you start? Where would you start at Manchester United? Because you can change the manager, but can the manager work under the circumstances with the squad that he has and with the board operating the way that it does?

41:36Can any manager work under those circumstances? I'm a great believer in when things work, they work. And I think the answer is in our history. So we've had two really, really successful periods in our history by doing exactly the same thing. exactly i'm not talking about personnel that there was one strong manager it was what was being done so it was building from within building local so now local we can call local english maybe but building from within building within a certain framework culture uh have a certain environment we've both been in that environment we know exactly what it's like and what it's supposed to be as well.

42:21Now, we don't do that. We have people who openly, in their playing careers, stated that they hated Manchester United, playing for clubs that were enemies of Manchester United, with very little experience. All of a sudden, they're in decision-making jobs at Manchester United. I haven't got a clue about what Manchester United is supposed to be from within. You're talking about Jason Wilcox? Well, I think he's one of them, you know, I just don't understand why he's there. I mean, when he played for Leeds, you know, you're supposed to hate Man United. And of course, he hated Man United, obviously with Blackburn as well that year, where, you know, they won the championship and beat us on the last day, not beat us, but beat us to it in the last round of the season.

43:19Man United were the enemy. Now, what's his experience? I don't know what it is. It's 18 months in Manchester City. So, James brought Omar from Manchester City. Now, he brings Jason Wilcox. He brings the guy who is now head of the academy from Manchester City. We're not Manchester City. We're Manchester United. That's a certain... This is why I talk about history and culture and tradition. There's a certain way of being Manchester United. If you haven't been in there before, you don't know what it is. You don't know what... And this is what disappointment... I think this is where we need to start talking about it.

43:58I love the fact that Michael Carrick is our manager. Because he knows. But he's got a dogfight on his hands. He can scream and shout to these people. They just don't understand it. They don't understand what the club is supposed to be. But he does. And he's the one now being hung out to dry in the media. I would expect him to be sacked and it would be a travesty if they sack him. But you look at the squad and you look at the issues around Bruno Fernandes and to a lesser extent with Lissandra Martinez from the week before. And there are players who've only come in over the summer and there's a mixed bag of players in there.

44:39But the transfer policy has been inconsistent. So it's a sort of a kind of patchwork collection of players at Manchester United. When you look at what needs to happen, clearly getting rid of a lot of those players is going to be high up the list. And it's making me think of when Arteta came in at Arsenal. Again, it's a player who knows the club, Aubameyang, Ozil, some of the big names. And like Fernandes, really important players, but maybe not necessarily contributing in a positive way more broadly. Are there comparisons with that, with the Arteta phase at Arsenal, or is the set-up different, do you think?

45:22I think from the time Ineos, and I'm going to get on to the playing squad, Ineos come in, Jim Ratcliffe comes in, and we're talking about Manchester United and the DNA of what Manchester United means. If you're getting rid of, and I know throughout the club things need to be freshened up, but if you're getting rid of people that know the football club, that have been in the football club for 10 plus years, and I'm talking around the stadium, around the training ground, and you just get rid of people left, right and centre, there's going to be problems straight away. like you're messing with what Manchester United is it's always going to cause problems because then you'll bring these are people that love Manchester United that they supported the club that would do anything to be working at this football club but it's also the fan experience if you walk in and you see the same faces and you everybody's familiar and you feel like you're part of something it was a family they're the they're not they're not um they're not things that accountants can measure no and so they're not seen as having any value and yet they've got so much value yeah and so much value like you say you talk about exactly what you come in there and you see like albert of course and we you get of course there's there's going to be change and and it's understandable but when you've got them feeling of them people that that know and And it's a family feel.

46:53If you get rid of all them people like that, it's going to change because it's going to be new. It's going to be totally different. I was, like you said, the Arsenal model. They gave Mikel Arteta time to work. From upstairs, they were like, OK, it's not going to... Not just time without any responsibility, but time with... He had to make big calls. Kind of an agreed plan between everybody. No, no, no. So when Arteta came in, he was head coach. So he worked in a similar system as Michael Carrick does now. And I think this is the key. He became the manager. That means he decides. He is in control of the scouting department.

47:32He's in control of recruitment. He's the boss. At the moment, there are two or three guys above Michael who are... You've got head of recruitment. You've got, obviously, Jason Wilcox as the football director of football. Technical director of football. He was technical director. Dan Astwood. I mean, where do you start with this? You know, Dan Astwood, why does he leave? You buy him, you pay six million pounds to buy him off Newcastle. They put him on guard and he can't work. He's there for four months. Why does he leave? Well, he didn't want Ruben Amarin. This was his job. It was his call. He didn't want Ruben Amarin because you cannot bring somebody in who plays and stubbornly plays that system.

48:16That's not Man United. He got it, right? What happened? Jason Wilcox and Norma Borelli went to Lisbon and signed him. That's why I mean, leave Carrick alone, right? It's not about him here. Of course it's about the players because they've got to do the job, but at the end of the day, that comes down to recruitment. When you have, right from the top, you have an owner who is shocked and surprised that there isn't a big data department at Manchester United because look at Brighton and Brentford, how well they're doing. So when you put that thought into the equation, okay, and no disrespect to Brighton and Brentford because they're doing fantastically well, but if you play the game, not play, but if you do what Brighton and Brentford, you recruit like they're doing, then you become them.

49:11Then what's the best that we can hope for is mid-table, maybe Europe now and again that's not what Manchester United is all about Manchester United is about winning the Premier League winning the Champions League of course we're a little sorry, a little bit off that at the moment just a tiny bit but it's about how you fix it and you can look, like you were saying you can look at the Arsenal model and look at the set up with when Petr Cech came up whatever the hierarchy was there and then And they have an agreed kind of path forward. And so when things were wobbly at times under Mikel Arteta, not massive, but a little bit wobbly under Mikel Arteta at times, they were all like, but are we on track?

49:57And that's why he got time, not just for the sake of giving him time. It was time with a purpose. But then also Arsenal financially were in a very different situation from Manchester United. So maybe it's another one of your old clubs that is a better comparison. It definitely is. People and myself will be able to say, at Manchester United, you had Sir Alex, you had David Gill. That was it. That was all that was needed. The owners then said, right, we're going to listen to you two because you two are bringing success to the club. The same, like you say, Unai Emery at Aston Villa. He goes in and he says, this is what I want and this is what I'm going to control.

50:39Now I'm going to get my sporting director, who I want. I'm going to get my staff around me and the owners this is how I'm going to present this to you in what I see the club can produce if you look at where Aston Villa were before he come in near the bottom 16th, 17th to where they've been the last four years four, seven, six Champions League football up the top of the table now if you've got a manager that is a Europa League winner Of course he loves the Europa League If you've got Owners that are aligned with the manager That are aligned with the sporting director You get success And I do believe that's why At Manchester United There was that success for so many years Because Sir Alex, David Gill Was so simple, their relationship, David Gill Whatever Sir Alex said He was like, yes, whatever you want Yes, this is what we're going to do If you think a big player needs to leave the club I'll back you But he earned that position.

51:44Of course he did. That wasn't day one. No. And you need the owners and sports directors to be aligned with you to turn around and be like, right, this is how we're going to go. Of course, it might not work straight away. The fans at Aston Villa, they're a tough bunch. Yeah. We know that. And I will say... A good bunch, though. They're a really good bunch. At times, they were booing in the first few weeks, months, because they were like, the football that Unai Emery's coming to play here, no, we're not sure about it. But he took the ownership and said to the players, I play a style of playing goalkeeper, centre-arse, through the midfield.

52:23If my midfielders come and want to play and lose it, that's on me because I'm giving you the confidence to play in that way. I will let you play as long as you stick to what it is that I'm telling you to do. So when you've got the confidence of the manager to say, right, I'm going out on the pitch to player to player, and then whatever he says, he's then telling the ownership, it just aligns. And it can take time. Managers now, for me, don't get that time. They don't have that time anymore. What's the average? Is that 14 months, I think? It's ridiculous. And we are the worst. We tried everything.

53:00We tried everything. The only thing we haven't tried is look at the leadership of the club. That's the only thing we haven't tried. and I think with everything, it doesn't matter if it's football or business or whatever, it's all about leadership. It's all about, you know, there is a plan, this is what we want to do and then you pick your people to take you there and you trust them, you give them the ammunition to go and do their job but you've got to pick good people, you've got to pick people who understand, you know, the place they're at and I have a feeling at the moment we don't have many of them.

53:35Would you say the club's become more about business than success? No. I don't think we can claim that to be. I just think that we have, over the years, because we've done so many changes at the manager's level or head coach or whatever you call them, you get somebody in. If you go in tomorrow, you know, you're straight. the way you go in is that there's seven players that I don't want. So when you say there's seven players that you don't want, you need seven players in. And this is what happened, that you've got new managers coming in and they want their players. And then you sack them. I've just gone up by 14 months.

54:22But Manchester United can't sell the players in the first place. So that's why then they start to fall foul potentially. That's another thing. Manchester United is not a selling football club. It's not a selling football club. But it might have to be for a while. Now we are very much a mid-table football club and we should be happy to be there. At the moment we're not. We're at the bottom. And I don't think we're far off that. I'm a little bit worried about how we go forward because if things are going against you a little bit, as it's done now, it's not like something really, really bad has happened and all of a sudden the team is back.

55:03But if the mentality of the players is to sink to that level for so very little that has happened, that would worry me. And if Manchester United is only one player and if that one player is not playing anymore, to his ability, which is... I mean, obviously Bruno was brilliant last season, brilliant under Michael, but he's not been so good this season. he's not been at the level that he's been at for whatever reason it can be the world cup you know you're jacking you're tired mentally tired there's a lot of excuses you can make for that but if manchester united is all about bruno manchester united has never ever been about one player never i mean i go back when we talk about aston villa there but we played at villa park we played a semi-final replay in 1999 and in in the film of 99 phil neville who never swears but he did there he talks about the team that he puts out for that second semi-final against Arsenal which by a long, long way was the most important game that we had because we win that, we get through there we psychologically get the upper hand over Arsenal and of course it gives us confidence to the game we had this weekend and then we had Juventus on the Wednesday and all of that and he puts out a team where you think alright but but he trusted the players you know the players were at that level it didn't matter where they how many games they play so i i would say that at the time probably 18 20 players you could stick in all the time and this team will still work but it kind of feels like if one player that one player doesn't work the team doesn't work if you felt stuck trying to lose weight you're not alone.

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1:00:22Manchester United fan. He's been a lifelong Manchester United fan. He says, you know, he's been a stretch for render. He's been there. So you would expect that he understands the club. Now, you've talked about how many changes he's made in the personnel, which I don't think that is him personal. But I think that's his concept of how he takes over companies. He brings people in and they look at numbers and you use the word account. so they see this is where we can trim it, this is where we can do better, this is how we can optimise it. So that's been done. I don't think he's brought the right people in, if I'm honest.

1:00:58I don't think you can bring in Manchester City people and then it works for Manchester United because it's two completely different things. But one thing that really sort of, for me, springs to mind is, and it's all about signals. What are you saying? What's the narrative? Who are you? can I look at you and can I see that you truly, truly, truly love Man United and you want to do whatever you can to make Man United great again but the only thing Jim's saying is he wants a new football stadium and I don't understand the fans were very vocal about that at the weekend I don't get it you move away from Old Trafford we have played at Old Trafford that is for a football player an absolute inspiration you come in, you know you have the history on your shoulders you have your responsibility, you know what you have to do that is a hardened soul of Man United Old Trafford is a hardened soul of Manchester United and you can't argue with that and any player who's played there would tell you that why do you want to rip the soul out of Man United and build a monument which we don't even need, I mean why is that the first thing?

1:02:08The stadium does need repairs, I mean that's a different thing one leak in the roof Who doesn't want a water feature? He is totally right, though. That's the thing. You know, as you play as a player of Manchester United, when you're walking down, coming past the fans and walking into Old Trafford, it's something that... It's incredible. When you're walking out of that tunnel and onto that pitch from that corner, representing Manchester United, having that shirt, that badge on you is an absolute honour. To move away from there, it destroys it, for me. It will destroy everything. Because Old Trafford, just the word, Old Trafford, it symbolises Manchester night, what Manchester night is about.

1:02:56Just when we have been talking a little bit about Bruno Fernandes there, it feels like there's a link back to what we started off talking about, which is Harry Kane and that idea of what it means to be a captain and that Bruno in some ways symbolises what's wrong with Manchester United at the moment. I mean, there's a football argument to that, which is in regard to his comments about wanting Manchester United to press more and almost kind of doing that on his own. Do you think that is a representation of his captaincy style, this idea of just doing things on his own? Yeah, it's selfish nature.

1:03:40And you can't, for me, you can't pull the wool over ex-Man United players, Man United players, Man United fans. Because for me, and you just go back to the Como game, he'll do half press, he'll look round, throw his hands up in the air, just for the fans. That's not a Manchester United captain, that's not a leader. And all he's about is stats. And I know last season, incredible, 21 assists. It broke the record. It was unbelievable. But he's got to thank Michael Carrick for putting him back in the position to be able to do that because he was playing as a number six deep line midfielder. He was a number eight.

1:04:22He was all over the place. But to be a Manchester United leader and lead properly, you're a team player. Straight away, you're a team player. Peter's been a captain. I've been a captain. and I know what it takes you want to help people like what you do for yourself is you've put that to the side because you want to do the best for that badge for that club now for me if you're not encouraging and you're throwing your hands up and I mean this is non-stop if you was to look every game I'm sure there's there's going to be that Como Telemans was trying to find passes other players were trying to find passes it weren't coming off their hands were thrown up there is a positive side from Bruno Fernandes and people have looked at that before he is coaching some of the younger players through the game and there is that kind of instruction with them but there are two sides as there are with most people they're more complicated than just hero or villain but there is a sense of when everything's going well with Manchester United, everything's going well with Bruno Fernandes, and the opposite.

1:05:33He's the most creative player in that squad. Man United is a one-man team. Man United has never been a one-man team. Never. And that, of course, is an issue. If Bruno's not playing well, if he's sulking, whatever he's doing at the moment, and Man United don't work, I mean, that's not great. That's really bad. You know, I have to say, I mean, I'm disappointed that he comes out and says stuff that I like. You don't do that as a captain. You want to say stuff, you say it in the dressing room. And you say it to the coach's face if you've got something to say. You keep it in there. And you can have a discussion.

1:06:09And then, you know, hopefully something positive will come out of that. But what he said sounded, it was a lot worse reading it than actually hearing him saying it. and at the time I kind of felt like giving him the benefit of the doubt you know that maybe in maybe translating it to what he really wanted to say he might stumble over one or two words I played in Portugal and there is a different mentality you have the media there at every training session and they will give you marks for your performance and training so there's a different kind of pressure But also with that, there's a different kind of way that you talk to the media, more defensive, more, you know, protecting yourself.

1:06:57And, you know, and you can say a little bit, oh, he's not doing well. Something like that. They have three sports pages, sports newspapers that comes out every day. And if you, obviously he played for sporting, they will have four pages every day. You know, so there is a different way. That's obviously on his spine. He grew up with that. so sometimes... He's been in England for long enough now and at Manchester United, so I think he should know I agree with that, but I just think that you can get caught up in that sometimes if you're really, really frustrated there is a situation around his contract Man United's got an option to extend his contract but he wants a new contract, and I don't think they're prepared to do that for whatever reason, and I think there's a little bit of that in what is happening now so he might just be very very frustrated with the whole situation the way the team is performing the way whatever but he is a captain and the job of a captain is to support and help everybody it's where it all starts with the captain the team is lost the captain starts to bring people up for the next game making sure that everybody is ready the captain shows how you live I mean all of these little things and that is a disappointing thing that he then and especially after Martinez's outburst I don't think he had the right to say that if I'm honest but especially after that and the team and the club and Carrick and everybody kind of recovered and smoothed it over okay let's move on from here and then yeah Comer was bad It was a really, really bad game.

1:08:43Probably the worst I've seen, much worse than Bournemouth. But, but... Can you imagine in your time of obviously captains you played under? No, I can't. Brian Robson, Steve Bruce, Eric Cantona, Roy King. Can't. It would never happen. No, you know. But the thing as well is... But there were interviews that were given to MUTV that were hidden, weren't there? Well, we know that. That's not a... There was a... Oh, yeah. Yeah, no. And Roy did come out and say the thing about prawn sandwiches and the fans were all kind of... But that had a consequence. Don't forget that. But that's the difference. That was the beginning of the end for that player.

1:09:27Yeah. So once that happened, then the days were numbered. And that was the way it was back then. You did step out of line. You were not allowed... It didn't matter who you were. even Eric, Eric couldn't step out of line absolutely not he had to be within this you get this much freedom I trust you so much but if you step out of line that's the end of you and I keep, I mean I always use that example of 95 where, you know, back in my time we mostly played the same 11 it could be one change maybe two, two would be a lot so you kind of have the same team all the time and you've got three players Mark Hughes, Kempel, Skis and Paul Ince all starting games when they were fit all of them left in the summer no one came in now Paul Ince called himself the Gov you know he had this offer from Inter that he used against the club to get a better contract but the manager said no one here can ever think that they're bigger than the club no one can ever put pressure on the club so take your offer from Inter you know that that's basically what happens you know um and then he he this is why i said when history and tradition and it every answer we're looking for is in our history he had five players lined up young players to cover three places he knew that they were good enough and he trusted them but that was a lot of hard work years years years years on years before then that was gone into it of course you had the luxury of not having 14 months of tenure but you had the time to do that but i go back to that the answer to every question that we have is in the history of what man united is we find it so the next question then given that because you came in and paul mcgras and um a normal white side were no had just been had just been let go and so sir alex had started to not Sir Alex then, but had started to make those big changes and get rid of big personality players.

1:11:40Brian Robson obviously stayed on. But the question then is of the people who are being mooted as a potential Manchester United manager, Eddie Howe, Julian Nagelsmann, are either of them, as the two names that we're hearing, capable of doing that? It drives me crazy. I'm sorry. It drives me crazy. Who are these people who say this is a good man? I mean have we not tried this before we tried everyone it's not about the manager it is not about the manager this is about the leadership of the club it's not so Eddie Howe comes in what's he going to do he's going to face exactly the same problem as Michael Carrick's had he's going to work with the same players yes he might be able to inspire them over a short period of time but what we've seen now is that it's not working how all of a sudden is this squad of players how are they all of a sudden becoming or will they become a challenge for the Premier League how?

1:12:40it's not going to happen so it doesn't matter who comes in so I see this Julian Nagelsmann as well what does people really know about Julian Nagelsmann other than he's been the German coach and he's been at Bayern Munich what do people really know about him this is Manchester United we're talking about it's a special football club there's no other club if brighton were in the situation that we're in now no one would be talking about we wouldn't even mention it here this is man united everyone in the world are talking about this they all have an opinion on this it doesn't happen to many other clubs liverpool yes real madrid yes barcelona maybe by munich and then the list is very very short it's a club up here you can't just mention a name and then he comes in and fix because it's not going to happen.

1:13:27We have tried that. Don't forget, we've had Van Gaal, we've had Mourinho. Mourinho goes everywhere and wins stuff. Van Gaal's won everywhere. We tried our own. We had all the Gonesons. We then tried the new up-and-coming, Ten Hag and Ruben Amarin. We tried everything, and it's not working. So when it's not working, then you have to ask yourself the question, why is it not working? Well, I think the answer is quite simple. It's the people above the manager and above the team that's where it's not working i think for manchester united what you want to see and what you want and what we've had is the most elite managers ever uh in obviously sir adix like you say i i worked there under david moyes louis van gaal come in jose marino come in it just it it didn't work and i think that was recruitment at times it now falls on the players, you look at the playing squad, for me Michael Carrick worked miracles last season because from where they were under Ruben Aronim to where Michael took them to third and lead to Champions League football, Manchester United is renowned should be in Champions League every season but should be challenging for titles last few years we're now thinking right, just get yourself in a position where you're playing Champions League football every single season, that's where it should be how come the fall off has happened so much this season is a massive question to well Michael Carrick I'm sure he's doing the same thing he's got the same players there's been a few additions in the summer but it's not working Michael Carrick's got a way of like we said he knows the club he loves the club he went in and said this is the model I want you're going to work hard you're going to play in the mid-block and play counter-attacking football.

1:15:18We've talked about running stats and we can talk about them non-stop. But if you haven't got the players in the team that can run, you've got to work out a different way, a different style to get the best out of the players. Michael Carrick went, I'm going to stay in the mid-block and play counter-attacking football. He got them to third and in the Champions League. This season is not working. It's not happening. Players now seem like, oh, do you know what? I'm going to be this individual and I'm going to run here and sprint and say yeah I'm doing this but we're not doing it together as a team that doesn't look like a togetherness the weight of the shirt to me feels too big for a lot of the players that are in that squad you could get rid of seven eight nine ten but you've got to replace them so this is now where we're talking manager sporting director director of football owners well how are we going to get the best out of this playing squad if we're not all aligned.

1:16:15If Michael Carrick is here, are we going to give him time? Right now, it doesn't look like it. It looks like the writing's on the wall. I think you saw after the game on Sunday Michael Carrick's reaction and how he's feeling. You saw the fans' reaction. The fans deserve so much more. And it's one of the things that I've been asked about, you know, managers. Eddie Howe, is he going to be right? I don't know. Has Eddie Howe done as much as he could for Newcastle? But why is he not still the manager there? I'm not sure. Antonio Conte is a name that is coming up non-stop. Well, it seems to be very much coming from him, doesn't it?

1:16:55He put himself out there. And for me, and I said, I think it would be a disaster for Manchester United. And I spoke about how he is, the training, how long, the meetings, the running and whatnot. It's more so Manchester United fans and what we know in our era of playing, and when we play, they want to see creative, exciting football. They want to see a style of whether it's 4-4-2, whether it's 4-2-3-1, they're not looking to see wing-backs and whatnot. Louis van Gaal has come there with that style of play. And at times, fans will tell you, and us players, it was boring because he was so possession-based that he would be happier to keep the ball more so than going to score.

1:17:36United fans want to see excitement. They want to see wingers. They want to see interchanges. you're not going to get that under Antonio Conte, I believe, because I know I work with him at Inter Milan. So for me right now, what do you do? What's going to happen? For me, the players need to be better. But how many different windows are you going to have to be able to get them players in? What manager is going to come in and say, I want to work with this squad? For me, the best manager in the world, Luis Enrique, would look at Manchester United now, look at that squad and say, I'm not touching that.

1:18:10I'm not going there. because of what I've done in the game, would I really want to leave where I'm at to come to Manchester United? Most managers in the world will see Manchester United as one of the biggest clubs in the world and would have for years. A drop of a hat, gone to be the manager. Now, I don't believe that's the way. And what does that go back to? Leadership. So, on all that, I totally agree with everything you said there. So, when you're Michael Carrick now, So obviously he's called the manager. But he's got no power. He's got no power. So you made a comparison to Arsenal before and Arteta.

1:18:48I'll take that as an example, but also Jurgen Klopp coming into Liverpool. What was the first thing that both did? They built the team from the back. So Jurgen Klopp took 18 months. By then he had a new goalkeeper and a new back four. He built it from the back so that we are solid. We don't give anything away. And then we start bringing in players who are flair. We've done the opposite. We've started from the top. We started from the top. We've got the flair players. Then we got into midfield. The mistakes we're making at the back, the game against Bournemouth, Christ, the mistakes. And they are unprovoked mistakes.

1:19:32And once we go behind, once we give a goal away, the team's gone. and you can see that they're completely deflated. That's not down to Michael Kerry at all. I mean, he has had no... I'm sure if he was a manager, he would have gone, I need to work on that back four. Yes, I want, believe it, I definitely want him in because we need that as a replacement for Casemiro. We need him in there, that's fine. But I'm not going to buy players. I mean, three midfield players, why? I don't get it, you know? we've been struggling so much in defense why spend the money we have on only one position you've got to build it up so I mean Michael Carrick he would have seen that, built that and had he had the power he would have done that now bring anyone in, they will not have the power they will not have that power and this is what I mean it goes back to leadership, so it's people PR I have this, I keep talking about this.

1:20:38So Rasmus Hoelund, who's a goal machine, and he will be a goal machine, you know, everywhere. He'll have periods where he won't score, but he will score a lot of goals. Young, you know, completely from childhood, a Man United fan. He would do anything for this football club. And he played in the period. He actually scored quite a few goals. We were playing in the period where he had no service. you have players there that very open would not even pass it to him young kid who needed to be coached in order to maximize his great talent which I think it is I see him obviously playing for Denmark fantastic player what do we do well we get head of recruitment in from Red Bull and what does he do well he brings his player in and sells this so you got Benjamin Siesko who's a great player but he doesn't play He's injured all the time.

1:21:3218 minutes, I think. We've already gone two years down the road with a striker who's had so much potential. Why all of a sudden did we feel the need that we need to make a change there? Why did we not look at the back and say, OK, now we've got a really good young talent, the goalkeeper in. Now the next thing we're going to do is to build a solid foundation in front of him so that we don't concede. Senna Lemans is completely, I mean, he's shot to pieces at the moment. I feel so sorry for him, you know. He's conceding so many goals, and it's not down to him. It's down to the team doesn't work, and definitely at the back it doesn't work.

1:22:12Do you think his confidence had gone from the World Cup? Because there was a mistake in the World Cup, and I think he's come back from there. And that's where it looks like it's followed on from. I definitely think that. but it doesn't take his talent away so what do you do you work with him so you can work you can talk to the goalkeeping coach can talk to him forever from now on until the cows come back you know it's not going to help because if he keeps conceding goals he will still feel that yeah i i had a period in that was actually in the best season we ever had like maybe a five six year period where nothing worked for me i could not work i couldn't get my head around i mean i'm making the craziest mistakes things going through my hands and i have no idea what it was but i played behind a really really strong back four and slowly that helped me you know i'm still making mistakes but they were sort of helping me out and all of a sudden i'm back to normal you need you need players around you that can protect you when it's not happening for you but with saying it's not you know he's just left there for himself he's yeah i feel really really sorry i feel sorry for all of them because at the end of the day people say yeah it's the players on the pitch but yes it is but it's not really is it it's not just about them it's it's not about the manager it's about so many other things that are not right and it's just gone from from sir alex and david gill left it's just gone a little bit sort of worse for every year and we haven't really noticed it but all of a sudden we've gotten to a point where we see oh this is this is really really bad I've been speaking to them for years and say I don't understand why we have so many former players who actually took part in rebuilding the club, who has got the background, gone and done the badges, the technical education, all of that.

1:24:08Why are you not bringing us in? Because we can help. and at some point Ed Woodward said, okay, now we're going to create a director of football position and he brought players, me, myself in for an interview and I came out of this interview and I'm feeling, what a joke. I mean, this is like, I felt like I was a box ticked. Now he can go out and say, well, we've spoken to players, you know, well, we tried to, but they're not good enough or whatever, you know. And over this sort of period that followed that, sort of a year, I started to speak to other players and they were like, yeah, we were the same so they've had interviews with five or six of former players that they very, very clearly didn't want to bring in but they could now go out publicly and say, well, we have and then they gave it to somebody else but it was kind of like a powerless position because the guy, he would still run the show obviously he's then out and there was a different system but it's the same thing that's happened.

1:25:12They never come and ask any of us who actually have, we have a lot to give for the football club. I'm not just pointing to myself, I'm pointing to quite a lot, a lot of former players who would be great. I mean, I'm thinking about someone like Paul Scholes, for instance, in the academy. Can you imagine? Can you imagine what the kids could learn from someone like Paul Scholes in the academy? You know? There are so many players out there who, they've gone through a lot of training to become coaches, managers, get the badges, technical educations. I know there's a few who's gone to universities to learn business, run a football club and they're not at Manchester United and I don't get it.

1:25:54There's one really painful thing. When I did my pearl license we went to the Etihad Academy and the academy director there Was that the painful part? The painful part was that the speech that was, it was Simon Davis. Simon Davis was part of the class of 92. He's a Man United guy now working at Manchester City in their academy. And you're thinking, why is that guy there and not at Manchester United? You know? But that's been a deliberate thing for, well, since Alex left, really. Gentlemen, I'm afraid we need to bring this therapy session to an end. Your time is up. Thank you. Thank you very much.

1:26:39Thank you. It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure for me. I'm sure it's gone to some quite tricky places. We've had to go there. You've had to go there. There's Liverpool in here, isn't there? For you, Peter. You're having a great time. That's what we're clipping up for you. You pointing to your heart and going, there's Liverpool in here. Oh, my God. When that's clipped up on social media, that's going everywhere. Real soon as one's put out that I wrote a letter to him asking him to sign me. Did you? He did. And he sticks with it. Did you do it? No, of course not. No. Are you... I was going to say, there's the door.

1:27:16Oh, my God. No, I never did. Yeah. Never. No chance. But it's just, I mean, I'm... OK, then show me that letter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I didn't keep it. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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