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3:57That's a classic, that, innit? Is it? Yeah. Is that yours? No, that's you. That's me. No, but is it yours? what my actual yeah i don't think so no no no but kind of small so it's not mine i'm not thinking you know it could it's a let me feel i think it is is that what was with the color did you wear it like that um mate if that got wet that was you had no chance i can't remember to be fair you're never changing it are you they're only giving you one no i changed them Did you? I went out, changed completely after warm-up, and then I changed everything in halftime. Everything. And were they cool with that?

4:41Wet, sunshine, everything, you know. I just changed it. Yeah? Yeah. That's a crack at that. That is a belter. I played for a team that had the ball all the time. So if I was wet on a really cold day, I'd be freezing. You'd wet the bottoms as well, wouldn't you? now and again just now and again was that always your thing even from young because even semi-professional did you did you pack your own stuff I didn't pack my own stuff no but when obviously when you were playing in Denmark I you're telling me at semi-pro because it wasn't professional was it when you first started playing in Denmark it was in the beginning was semi-pro but then quite quickly moved into I think yeah because I sweat a lot right so I had to do you know yeah yeah I also always came in half an hour before kick-off.

5:34Half an hour? Sweat down. So I started an hour before with warm-up. Then I came in half an hour before. Stripped off, made sure that I got all the sweat off and cooled down and had a massage, had a stretch. Really? Yeah. That was 15 minutes, quick change, bang, ready to go. Nah. Nah, change is good. And you did a little bit of a break afterwards after the warm-up. We can do our full goalkeeper geek out later. Yeah. I was with Casper last night. Right, okay. He sends his regards. Oh, good. Is he all right? It was his daughter's birthday yesterday. Magical. And she's in a show at the moment. Right.

6:11They're doing two shows a day. It's two hours long. And I went to see the late one and it was brilliant. Really? Yeah, yeah. I saw a bit of her goalkeeping as well. She's a good goalkeeper. Isabella is very, very talented. the big problem she has is that she fancied playing outfield don't we all man yeah I know but she's it's kind of it's become a challenge now because she's been she's been scouted by Bromby right so she played not not in the local club to where they live but the biggest club in the vicinity of Red Ligert yeah yeah and it was kind of okay and then Bromby scoured her and asked her to come out a little bit more elite and she's 14 years old.

6:54And it's a bit of a drag to go across because you go across Copenhagen and it's always rush hour. It's straight from school. So it's a little bit of a... It's a challenge. Hence Casper's comment about the Uber driver. So Casper is finding out what real life is. Yeah, but she's been scouted as a goalkeeper, an outfield player. So that's a little bit of an issue now. But she's doing both sides of the Schmeichel. So she's in show business and she's also in the football side. Yeah.

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7:55Did you watch the City PSG game? I did. What did you think?

8:03Well, I think the end result kind of tells a completely wrong story about that game. It was wild. It was a fantastic game of football to watch. Obviously, the first game in the Etihad after everything that's happened. and the judgment. Pending. Yeah, I know, I know. I'm guilty, I know. Were you at the game? No, I wasn't at the game, no. I didn't do it, but what do you think? How do you think Maresco will view that game? Obviously, he's had this start where he's, they got off to that kind of difficult start against Arsenal, bit of a strange win first home game, but after that they've really clicked into gear and they had that amazing day on Sunday, but just a little reality check or not?

8:47I don't think, no, there's no need for a reality check at all. I think Mareska's got a really, really good squad of football players. He's trying to impose his own style of football that is a little bit different to what Pep did. I think he's also less intensive. I think what Pep's done is fantastic, obviously, but he's a very intense person. He's on football every second of his life. He talks about football. and you saw him in the stand the other day. You could feel it, couldn't you? He's talking to everybody around, he's showing everyone and that's Pep, you know, and it's brilliant to have somebody who's like that but in the long run it can tire you out a little bit and it seems like some of those players got a new lease of life.

9:33Phil Thornton, very unlucky in the Manchester United to be sent off but all of a sudden he's back in the team and we know how fantastic a player he is. So I just think it's different, The dynamics within the training ground is different. And I think the players can relax a little bit. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but in a way can spend all the energy on playing. I think with Pep as well, his relationships were so long-lasting and they were so up and down. Many great managers, I'm sure you had that with yours. So moving over to your side of Manchester. Are we finished with Man United?

10:11No. Are we with Man City? Yeah, we don't. The City have been talked about. Can I not ask about what you think about the whole thing? Well, I said, you know, it's tough. It's tough to be a Manchester City person at the moment. I love the club, Peter, and I loved the club when I signed in 2006. And I loved it throughout my whole journey. And I still do. I love the people. I think you'll understand what I'm talking about. You know, I grew up there. You know, I was 19. I was a third choice goalie second choice first choice in out family friendships love loyalty um but at the moment we're we're in it together because the the guys at the top are the people that I've worked closely with and um I think a lot of and I trust you you really mean that do I trust them no that you're in it together I think yeah 100 % I ask because I was at Man City 2002-2003 so that's the same ownership group as when you joined the club and I've been away from Manchester I really miss Manchester there's a lot of reasons for me coming back, I couldn't go to Man United but I really love the area I love the people, I love the fans I love how incredible an area that Manchester is and I found the same kind of kindness and the same kind of club spirit as we had with Man United.

11:41It's obviously a different level.

11:46And I think now that isn't there. That's different. It's a different part of the world controlling with their rules and if you read through the 40 pages of the judgment it's they're convinced. These are three QCs. they know how to do that kind of thing when you read through that it's pretty serious and it's not the people from here who are responsible it's other people and that's where I'm disappointed because I love this area I mean we've got weird owners as well but that's a different thing but I think they're letting Manchester down they don't understand what this place is Yes, they've built a lot of towers and houses and all that, but they don't get this place.

12:39Well, I've worked closely with Khaldun, of course, and he does. He does get this place, and that's the person, that's my reference point when I talk about how I feel about Manchester City and when I talk about that hierarchy. I don't know, respectfully, I don't know Sheikh Mansour well. I've met him before, but he's a dignitary, and it's not that sort of relationship that you have. But when I'm talking about Khaldun, who represents that group, he's an incredible person and he really wanted to buy in from very early on you know I was I wasn't a glamour marquee signing I was kept in from the old regime and he wanted to integrate and he wanted to love the club and you know I've got loads of friends who still are the Manchester City fans that you talk about and they adore him they absolutely adore him, they stand with him but I think Manchester City had to make some sort of change and get some sort of outside help if they wanted to make the progression they did look we'll see how it plays out like I say it's pending it's guilty at the moment going to appeal but I've got no reason not to stand with that club Nah, you're a proper defender there It's love mate It's love I know, I understand that You know what love's like I totally understand that I mean we can talk about ownership of football clubs and you know I think I think that the FA and the football authorities are letting a lot of clubs down a lot of fans down by not doing a proper due diligence on who can own football clubs.

14:05They have this fit and proper person which you have to ask yourself now and again, what does that really mean? Because you've seen with football clubs, we've seen it with Cardiff, we've seen it with Sheffield Wednesday, we've seen it with Birmingham. Clubs, big, great, fantastic, traditional clubs with great fan bases and owners letting them down. and, you know, owners who should never, ever be involved in football. And I think with this, regardless of what happens, I think that needs to change. You can't just because you've won the lottery or you've found oil or whatever it is that makes you so rich, you can't just buy a football club and then treat it as, you know, a pet thing.

14:52It's important to people. It's important to the fans. It's, I mean, this is what I learned when I came over here. I had an affiliation with England before I even came. I loved English football. I loved the way the fans were. Then I get to know them, and I get to know them firsthand. I get to understand how important football is to their lives. If you take football out of their lives, most people have tough lives. But football makes them, it gives them a little bit of breathing space. It gives them something that they can, you know, they can tack in to be happy about and discuss and, you know, carry it through the week.

15:33And I think that that needs to be looked at. It's a very, I think it's a very serious thing. And if anything, that needs to change. This episode is sponsored by Huel. So, Tim, I don't know about you at home, but as football fans, we've all got our things we can't do without. But in partnership with our sponsorship, Huel, we're bringing you one less thing where Tim and I discuss the one thing we'd like to see removed from football. And we talk about this a lot, don't we, on the golf course. First one up this week, for me, I'll come up with this one, Tim. Post-match apologies on social media. Come on.

16:06They've got to go, haven't they? Do you know who I think started it? I might be wrong, but it feels like Eddie Howe and Newcastle going over to the fans. You know, everyone will go there and clap them. Lovely. Brilliant. Because they were winning every game. But all of a sudden, when you start getting chinned, and you've got to go there, and you're giving it... Some of that. Sorry, you know what I mean? Yeah. Sorry, it's on me. That's the worst. Even the manager. I remember seeing Ains Postacoglu, and I felt sorry for him. And he'd stand there clapping them, and they're all... Do you know why he did that?

16:36Why? He didn't want to go down the tunnel, because he thought, I'm going to front this out. I'm going to front it up. I remember Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was away at Vicarage Road. I remember it. He went right over. That was his last game? Yeah. and he was he was over there like that apologising and getting some stick and I remember Bruno behind him giving it no it's not him it's all of us it's all of us yeah it's like charades isn't it yeah mate no blame me blame me I can take it I get the fans point of view because away fans I don't know what you were like when Liverpool fans they'd come in their droves and they'd pay big money so you got total respect for them so of course you want to acknowledge them and there's nothing worse when you've lost and you you're sending them home feeling as bad as what they do But that, as a manager, I think now, if you started again as a manager, or I did, I think you've just got to set a precedent where you just don't do it at all.

17:24Of course, you love them. They're your fans. That's not going to change. But what difference does it make you going over there and clapping them? Because when you lose, when you're going for a bad spell, it's awful, right? You have no future in it. Especially, I was consistent with that. I would always clap from where I was and just walk down the tunnel. Win or lose. So I know exactly where I am. What about a little social media apology? I like them as well like you know when they do that well I'm really sorry today we was rubbish you know what I mean well I apologise for the performance performance yeah what players or manager or both players like to do that one would you do that if you was a player now I mean Newcastle manager the Isla did it the other night didn't he against Coventry you know come out and apologise to the fans they almost expect it now the fans I mean but the only way it's got any carries any weight is if they perform better when the next time they're out there so yeah I'm not I'm not keen on it.

18:15I really am not. Right, Tim. So shall we lose that sort of post-match sorry that's always become inevitable in football now? Yeah, gone. Gone? Yeah, gone. Out. What, yellow card? Red. Red, Kev. One game ban. I like it. The verdict's in. The post-match apology is gone. But one thing I'm not apologising for is having one less thing to think about it when it comes to my nutrition. Huel is a complete meal in a bottle. High in protein, high in fibre, with all essential vitamins and minerals. Save£10 on your first order with the code OVERLAP at checkout. Just go to Huel.com slash Overlap daily. Hi, this is Nikayla Matthews-Oconley from Side Hustle Pro.

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21:22Well, obviously, there's a lot going on in this city, generally, football-wise, over at Manchester United at the moment. You want to talk about Man United? Yeah, no, I do, because you were there. I'm trying to divert. I know, I see that. You're just trying to lock me under the bus. But you were there Tuesday night. It's definitely a difficult moment for the club at the moment. Obviously, you were a huge part of what was going on. Obviously, a difficult performance. And then you spoke to Martinez after the game and how all that unfolded. What was that like? It's a little bit of a weird one. So when you do the job that I do in the Champions League, so I'm a reporter.

21:57I'm not a reporter, but that's the job I have. So my job is I do a couple of things to camera from the touchline. I'm there, I'm talking about the atmosphere and if there's anything I've heard from what you do. And then afterwards, I go to the Flash Zone and I do interviews. Now, you're building relationships with the media people from the different clubs. And you can make, you know, you can say, I want to speak to him or him. but they are not at the end of the day they are not solely in charge of who you get to speak to because UEFA also have media people on there's always one responsible for every team then there's one above them and everything has to go through them so when this happened I'm actually next to TNT so Gabriel who interviewed Lisandro Martinez in that interview is where everything came out now I'm next to, I know he's there he's not on my list I'm not interviewing him at all I'm about I'm about to find out you know where is because I've asked for somebody else right this interview finishes and they push him into mine right so when you look at the interview I'm a little bit surprised I don't even know what he said at this time I don't know what he said right and then in the interview with me he goes we should do a lot better so he's carrying on from that interview there but I don't know what he's saying.

23:30I think he's saying, because he's speaking to a former pro, former player, I think he's saying that we as players, we should do a lot better. I had no clue he was on the attack as he was. So in my interview, I didn't get that. I didn't understand that he was saying all that. So in a way, my interview became a little bit clumsy in sort of the greater scheme of things. If you'd have known what you said, what he'd said to Gabriel, Would you have interviewed differently? Would you have asked different questions? What would you have asked? I would have asked him if he felt that he was in a position to say that.

24:06I don't think players should ever come out and say anything like that. I think there's fire in his eyes when he says it. I think there's fire in the way that he is as a personality. The wonderful thing that is hindsight, of course, you can tell by the way that he's backtracked. You can tell by the way that he's made a more measured statement. but you've felt that after a game. You've felt, you know, and I know your question would have been, well, you need to do better on the pitch, but I have an understanding of where he's come from. Now, would I have ever done or said that? I wouldn't because I had that kind of, and I'm like you, I'm like, well, I need to know that.

24:46I need to have kept four clean sheets in a row, saved three penalties before I even thought about talking about anyone else. But when I look at him and it takes so many different people to make up a dressing room, right? Because you can't have 11 Martinez and you can't have 11 Schmeichels, you know, from a mentality point of view. But in the dressing room, I need that dressing room to have someone who can pull him to one side, no matter how senior he is. There needs to be a conversation had in there like, what are you trying to do here? What are you trying to achieve? Do you want change? Were you just ranting?

25:22Are we going to have to put this down as one of your episodes where we'll back you and say, look, sometimes that's how he works? Or are you trying to cause trouble for us? How is it all trying to play out? So me personally, I'd always have understanding and I'd want to hear him out. So no one's perfect. No, but still, you know, I think Christian Romero winding him up a little bit. Yeah. That's just when the game finished and then obviously after all this had done, They were actually sat there, some steps just outside the flats. They sat there having a conversation. His contract's up at the end of the season.

26:02That would be a good option for him to go to a Leeds can be played. It would suit him well. So I think he was in that. There's something, he's thinking I can play it like that. But I would not like any teammate ever to go out and talk like that. I'm the same. Unless it was Brian Robson or... No, no, I wouldn't. Because it was... Yeah. No, I absolutely wouldn't like that. Would you hear him out? Well, I think, I mean, the dressing rooms that I was in, you were accountable. Yeah. If you did, I mean, it just didn't happen very often, you know? No, of course not. Somebody stepped out of line, and of course we had a manager, that would not allow you to step out of line.

26:47And he would react to that straight away. That's fire with fire in your day. So, yeah, in a way, I mean, it's not that I completely disagree with what he says. That's the other thing. And where do you think that leaves Michael Carrick in all this situation? I feel really sorry for him because he's, at the moment he's he's in a really really tough place really

27:18not to go into too many details about you know what Martinez said but some of the things he said are not far off when you look when you look at teams that promising teams so Manchester City a long time ago Arsenal for you know for the past six years Liverpool under Jurgen Klopp What did they do that suddenly changed the dynamics, suddenly changed the fortune? Well, they started at the back. They got in there, you know, goalkeeper, back four, send the midfield players. They built that foundation, made it solid, and then they started to bring the creative players in. And they've all done it. You know, it took, Jurgen Klopp was 18 months in and he's completely changed the back five as goalkeeper and the four, completely new players.

28:07and build from the back. Now, we've done the opposite. We've built from the front. Last summer, we bought Cesco, Cunha and Bueno, players that we want at the club. There's no doubt about that. And then we've gone, this transfer window here, we've gone three midfield players, but we've not addressed the big issue that we've had, which, of course, is leaking too many goals and needing... I mean, I love Harry Maguire. I love him to play every game because he's got so much Man United in him. But I want somebody next to him who's a little bit quicker, you know, somebody you don't need to keep an eye on all the time, someone who can, you know, help.

28:48So Harry, whatever side, but help the fullback and the midfield players in front of you and not somebody where you all the time have got to look and concentrate where are you in relation to their position. so you work very much on instinct so what I've analysed in the last two or three games we've had in Man United I've talked about the line we as goalkeepers talk about the line the line is Harry you can't be behind Harry simple as that he's your leader there where he is you've got to be on the line or just in front but most of the goals we've conceded Martinez is behind Luke Shaw has been behind quite a lot and Harry's coming out there and he's looking around and you can see it's taking off his performances.

29:37So I would have loved for someone to come in and sit next to him and simply I would have loved them to have seen what I've seen for a couple of years now, that we needed to really work on our defence. We changed the goalkeeper and he's very good. I like him a lot. What do you like about him? I just like him. He's calm. I think he's suffering a little bit now because it's so insecure at the back. I can feel it. Martinez's back pass to him after seven minutes the other day. Instead of just kicking the ball up the pitch or into the stand, he turns around and gives him, it's four or five yards, gives him the pass, which is straight at him, doesn't even give him an angle.

30:20You can't kick a ball if it's straight at you. I know there's no bubbles on the pitch these days, but if it hits somebody you try to kick with your you know it's a straight it might just go that way and then the goal you give him a little bit of an anchor but it was panic and i think he suffers a little bit from that how would how would you help lamins i would talk a lot i would talk to him a lot yeah i think he's done really well i think he for his his age and where he came from he came out of nowhere really yeah just continue doing what you do work i want him i want him to work a little bit more on technique and stuff like that.

30:57But that goes to most goalkeepers. I am of that old-fashioned opinion that you should keep and catch everything. And this ties in with the way that Manchester United is supposed to play. You're supposed to be able to defend with less men than the opposition. So when the ball comes your way, it's a very big thing for the team if you can keep it with you instead of putting it somewhere else, then the fewer players the other team has defending, it's got to deal with that. So that's one thing. But that's a technical thing, and it's not a criticism at all. I like him to keep coming for those crosses.

31:40I love it when he comes for crosses. And then just make him understand that what he's doing is very good. Very good. You are the first piece in the jacksaw to rebuild the defense. You are that guy. So grow into that. Be more confident. You can start talking to your back folk. Start commanding. And then, as I would do with any goalkeeper that I speak to, get them out. Don't let them defend on the penalty spot. Why do you want them in there? Anything can happen. Try to get them out. try to get them out I like you know closing down the centre of the goal which makes a lot of defenders uncomfortable so that the only space you can give people coming in or players coming in from the centre is on angles and then let them have the angles I can come out and close the angles I will give you that confidence I would work on stuff like that so Pete obviously you're you're legendary for how you commanded your back four and your presence, but there's all different ways to do that, right?

32:50And I'm sure you understand that. So someone like a Lamins or a modern-day goalkeeper, I found I enjoyed being a goalkeeper when I made it as difficult as I possibly could for people to get anywhere near me. And, you know, you did it with barking. I did it with because you were making them think, right? They heard you talking. Sometimes they don't even need to know what you're saying. But, you know, it wasn't necessarily big information. It was just alert. But I know, and then you, the boys know what Peter need me to do, like show them wide, no problem. I'm playing with Peter today, show them wide.

33:22And I had those relationships. How would you help like a Lamins or a modern day goalkeeper who it's obvious they're not going to be berating, it's obvious they're not going to be as aggressive. But I still think those messages and that energy can be passed on to the back four and the defensive players. I don't think it's that easy because I don't think that's, you know, it comes down to me as an individual, you as an, I think it's a generational problem. Not a problem, but an issue. You don't have those naturally born leaders.

33:57In order to do that, in order to be commanding, you need to have players who understand what commanding is in front of you. And that takes a special character. Yeah. A special mindset and an acceptance of that I know I'm important to the team, but I'm not the only one important to the team. So when somebody tells me something, they tell me that because it's beneficial for the team and it's not an attack on my personality. Massive. That's so key and I agree with you there. And I think that's what we see a lot in football. So Bruno obviously is our captain. he will talk to people, he has his style of talking to people one of the big things for me in the game on Tuesday was he obviously came off and Harry came in at the same time and Harry got the armband back and I'm looking at Harry, I am thinking he's a captain, look at him chest up, when players look at him they can see that and Harry has his style he's not aggressive in his talk but he talks and he's sort of a very rare breed these days.

35:15You don't see many of them. Obviously, having had Casper in football up until this summer, really, we've had these discussions and these talks all along. I keep saying, why? And he goes, if I do that, then that player will crumble. You can lose people, yeah. And I just think it's a generation. It's some bloody mobile phones that make people, you know, they live. They are the king in the kingdom or the queen in that queen. They are the centre of. So if anybody tells them something else, it's a little bit of an issue. And I think that's what we see a lot in football.

36:00What non-obvious goalkeepers excite you? Now, I say non-obvious because a lot of people will see the David Reyes of this world and understand why he's at the level that he's at. But what are the ones... He's done really well, hasn't he? He's been accepted. You know what? I was really surprised. I have to give Arteta some credit because when Ramsdale was playing for Arsenal, I thought he did really well. Me too. I liked him. I liked his aggression. He was flying out and all of that. I really liked him and I was surprised that they brought another goalkeeper in and that it was him. But I have to say, I interviewed him last season.

36:37I said, when they won the championship, I said, just so you know, if you had not been in that goal, you would have been nowhere near the championship. And I mean that. I absolutely mean that. Because he came up, and he's still coming up with him, all the important saves where, in order to win the championship or the Premier League, and you know that as well, you have to invest and you've got to take chances. You've got to commit more people going forward. And that means, and I touched on that before when I said, we defend with less people. So all of those chances that came out of defending were less people because the players were the other side of the ball.

37:18He was making big saves at crucial times. And one of the things where he has massively improved is coming for crosses. It's just one of them. And he's gotten to the point where there's a chance or there is an opportunity. She's got one more. And you kind of think, no, he's going to save it. It's not going to be a goal. You kind of have that feeling before it happens. Yeah. And that's good going. I think I felt it, and whether I was wrong or right, but when I was really on, I used to take great pleasure in someone getting out their feet 20 yards. And in my head, it might not be true. I felt like they looked up and thought, and they passed.

38:03And I thought, I took that as a compliment. and like I say it might not be true you've got to create this kind of aura as a goalkeeper and I feel like he's got do you know what I love about him Peter and I've got I've got a young son I've not got a cast but I've got a young son who's gone in goal I love the message that he sets off because people will say oh he's had games where he doesn't do anything his foot movement and his energy and his intensity in the game it's not about not touching the ball it's about he's constantly planning for the worst case scenario and he's ready to snuff it out.

38:36And I think that's a real talent. I think that's the absolute talent. So when we talk about goalkeepers, let's go the whole of the football league, so all the way down to League Two, all the professional game. Talk about goalkeepers. Everyone who plays in goal, they're capable. They can save balls, they can come for crosses. But I think the closer you get to the top of the Premier League, those goalkeepers what separates them from the rest of them is all the time they don't do anything the ability to stay in the game and concentrate and be ready for that one minute or if it's one minute in a whole game but it's probably not even a minute when you play for a top team that you are involved in a game yes in the modern day game you get the ball more because you are like the first attacker you are further out you get the ball to your feet and and that's fine that's fine for keeping you in the game and probably fine for also keeping you in the zone um in my day we didn't play that much yeah we played a lot but i wasn't that involved in the game i mean they would pass to me but not as much as they do to that today and i wouldn't be part of the actual player a play up from the back so I had to be ready for that I knew in every game there would be one moment absolutely guaranteed one moment where I had to be absolutely ready and sometimes a little bit more and I had my way of doing it so I pretended I was part of the team, I was directing, they couldn't hear I mean old traffic directing and that kept me in the game that kept me focused and that was really important to me the other thing as well we did not concede that many chances but when you play against the strikers that I played against some of them world class I tried to be incredibly arrogant so they were annoyed with me they would think about me how did you do that?

40:55just looking You know, you had the ball, they would be talking to you. Just look through them, like pretend they were not there and make them think about me. Because if they had that one chance against me with no defenders near them, they would have to think, this is again in my head, probably giving me more confidence that they took confidence away from them, but they would have to think that it was against me. That was kind of like my plan. What made you come up with that plan? always just just i mean uh i i come i come from a generation in denmark where we when i started out telling everybody i wanted to be a professional football player it was against the law in denmark could not take money from doing sports sports for amateur so i've always been up against uh you know uh people's opinions and what was really possible so in many ways i felt that I was like a pioneer, always caving my own way.

41:58I had really good advice along the way. I always, when I needed to be with the right person, I always went with the right person. Without me, it wasn't something I was looking for. But as you progress and become better, you become older and all that, I always had the right person, I feel, at that time to move me on. but I mean back when I was a child and when I started to watch football we didn't have that much football on the telly it's not like now and you know we would have when the Danish season wasn't playing we would have English games on every Saturday so you're looking at these goalkeepers and you're taking whatever inspiration you can take from them the way they played obviously back then nearly every goalkeeper came for crosses So to my child's mind, I'm thinking, you've got to come to the club.

42:55That's part of your life. That's part of your job. So I developed that. But, I mean, I know obviously because you and Kasper, you're the same age. I know how Kasper did it. He did it a lot via YouTube, studied goalkeepers. And we didn't have YouTube. We didn't even have computers when I was a kid. No, no, of course. what advice would you give to young goalkeepers coming into the Premier League now from your vast experience but also understanding of the modern game? Where do you start? I think it's important to understand who you are and what you can do and also, very important, what you can't do.

43:38And if you are a young, talented player regardless if this is a goalkeeper or not you will always have more options than the one. So I think in terms of understanding what you can do and can't do, you've got to pick a club that plays what suits you. Because time and time again I'm being asked, who's the best goalkeeper? And I go, I don't know. I don't know. And I always used to, back in the day, to sort of make my point, I said, I don't know, but as an example, let's take the two Manchester clubs and swap the goalkeepers, Edison and De Gea, over. De Gea would never be able to play for Man City.

44:29Edison would never be able to play. It would not work for them because it doesn't suit what they're best at. I said the same thing. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's probably the advice I would give young goalkeepers. be sure to go somewhere where you can do the job because for instance if you play for a club where you have to play it out from the back where you are part of the game all the time you get the ball back and they will always come up and put pressure on you and you have to put that little pass into the midfield player that comes running down like Senil Amis tried to do after two minutes that's an uncomfortable pass to make but you have to make it because the coach is telling you to do that so if you're not comfortable doing that then then don't go to a football club that's playing like that you know and i think that's mostly i think today that's probably the best advice i could give hi this is nikaela matthews okome from side hustle pro the sales right there don't miss it this holiday give shoppers a flexible way to pay with paypal pay later and turn them into regulars PayPal is built for all business.

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47:24Welcome to Six of the Best, brought to you by Super Six. Now as both Peter and I are former goalkeepers, we thought it only right that we take full advantage of our position on today's show and discuss who we think are the best to ever play the position. We have a list of ten, we're going to whittle it down to six. Here we go. So let's start. We've got ten, we need to whittle it down to six. Gianluigi Buffon? I can't do it. Well, that's... I won't be on record saying it. I'm with you. I find it so difficult because it sounds like the four that we're not going to put in. We don't rate... Right.

48:00Here's a question, Ryan. Here we go. How do you judge Buffon to Neuer? How do you judge him? It's two different ways of playing in goal. Yeah. Yeah, Buffon made a lot of great saves, but he was very much in his six-yard box kind of goalkeeper. And it looks fantastic when you make these saves. And I'm not taking anything away from his performance because he's a fantastic goalkeeper, fantastic person. But Manuel Neuer, I mean, he's playing in the sense circle. He's stopping everything before it happened. He was revolutionary, wasn't he? I think he's, you know, you just can't compare these things.

48:38Casillas is the same as Buffang for me, Same kind of thing, making impossible saves and keeping his teams in it. Let me give you the full list, okay? So this is what we've got to somehow do here. So we've got Gianluigi Buffon, Manuel Neuer, Ika Casillas, Oliver Kahn, Petr Cech, Edwin van der Sar, Neville Southall, Alison Becker, Thibaut Courtois, and Peter Shilton. Obviously, they have varied spells in the great game that we love, but we're going to try and whittle that down to six. shoot? I think in terms of impact and I think Neuer is definitely for me he's always been he's been a favourite goalkeeper of mine and I remember when he was when he was at Schalke and we played them in the Champions League and he made it you know the most difficult thing is when the ball is crossed and you have to follow it and somebody comes in there who literally just have to put there or there and then you're done and he makes a save with his foot up here and i'm like who is this so i had to watch that five times to work out that because because it was such a strange save that i didn't i was at the post did they miss i remember i'm like you know and then sir alex went over to him the center circle and we all know what that conversation was yeah and i was hoping i was hoping that that was going to be our future yeah because i love this kid he was fantastic and he's been absolutely fantastic for for Bayern Munich and he's been you know incredible for Germany I remember I was in Kiev in the semi-final yeah um where you know when you're in the stadium you see different things when when you're watching a game on tv you don't necessarily see everything yeah and you see this young kid they they're they're one nil down to Italy I think it is yeah and they're coming towards the end of the game and they're pressing putting more and more pressure and and this kid further and further out and then they clear the ball and he just runs to the ball and hits it back in there inside the other half and you go whoa oh my god this is really really fantastic and it goes to a point you know you know i gave the advice to young goalkeepers you know pick a team you can play in yeah you know he he he didn't pick a team he could He made the team play the way he could play.

50:59And that, for me, is... And, you know, Casillas and Buffon, what they've done for their countries, what they've done for the football clubs. I mean, they're amazing. Oliver is obviously my generation. So Oliver, I don't know as well. No, I have the pleasure of working with him. Oliver is a very intense person. Once you get to know him... What were you two like then? No, we worked together for three years. And in what we did, we also did a lot of media work. And in the beginning, he wasn't too keen on talking about the 1999 final. Obviously, it was such a blow to him and to the team. But as he opened up over the month and years, he talked more and more about this final being the most important game he'd ever played in.

51:57Even though they lost, he said, this is where we learned. As a team, we learned the most. So they went on to win the Champions League. They won the semi-final the following year. And then they went on to win the Champions League the next year. And it was just interesting to hear that. And once you get to know Oliver, he's a fantastic, fantastic person. And I love him. I mean, he's a fantastic guy. You know, Peter Cech. Everything he did in that Premier League. League era coming to Chelsea. Unbelievable. Edwin. Neville. I'm Neville's generation. Tell me about Neville. I hear phenomenal things about Neville Southall.

52:32Oh my God. I don't think he would have been as good in Monday football. He wasn't that great with his feet, but he was total commanding. Really? Total commanding. He was of all the different kind of saves you have to make as a goalkeeper. Some of us, we have, I say, preferences. Some of them we are very comfortable. Some of them are difficult. I don't think there was anything that he was struggling with in terms of being a goalkeeper saving. He was, oh, my God, he was incredible. And then there's obviously Alisson, who, I mean, he's unfortunately been injured in the last period of time. he's been injured you can feel it a little bit can't you yeah I think he's lost a little bit he's getting back to it now yeah agreed on Sunday that's a little bit of it again you can see he's getting more and more confident but he developed into somebody you couldn't put it past if you were one and one against him he has been unbelievable and I think when you play when you play for a team that is supposed to win the league challenging for the league I think that is the biggest quality you can have as a goalkeeper that you are absolutely brilliant and in command of the one-to-one because they are the situations that you face the most.

53:55Yeah, on the breakaway when you're pushing. Oh, my God, he's been absolutely fantastic. And what I really do like about the way that he does it is that he doesn't just dive in. No. Most of the times he just stops and goes, come on then, what are you going to do? And if you can make this striker, you know that, when you make this striker thing for a split second, that split second is enough for them to miss a chance Right come on six let's do it No we can't No we can't Neuer's in Karn's in I mean my god who are like who would you leave out of this Well I'm I'm at a slight disadvantage because Peter Shilton Neville and Oliver I don't know well enough I obviously know if you're speaking about them highly that's enough for me but I mean me personally you don't know Peter Sheldon played for England it's your job to know about all England's golf you told me about your YouTube record he was actually one of them I looked at when I was a kid it's strange to say that because we kind of ended up playing in the same area mind you by then he was I think he was player manager he played league games until he was 48 he's incredible his record But he was one of them.

55:16He would come out and he'd punch the ball and he'd come out and come in. And he was a great shot stopper. He was. Do you want him in? I want Buffon in. At the moment... I can't do this. I'm not leaving any of these guys out. I am not. We need six. Come on. There's no doubt we... I can't leave any of them. We love every single one of these, right? and they all deserve their place on here. Do you know what? I'm going to put Courtois in there. Why don't I just draw a big love heart around all the names? I think that is so good. Well done. So there we go. A big love heart around all the names. We're not doing it.

55:55So top six, that's up to you, not to us. That was Super 6. Six of the best. Don't forget to enter your Super 6 predictions on the app for a chance of winning£1 million. 18 plus, T &Cs apply.

56:13Right, Peter, quick look ahead to the weekend. I feel like there's only one place to go. Ellum Road. Ellum Road. I'm going. Oh, yeah, you're going. I'm going. We're doing a VIA Play Premier Sunday. That's only two o 'clock kick-off in the whole season. We normally do the later one. But because of the magnitude of that game, and this is, just to be clear, this is six weeks ago that decision's been made. because obviously there's a lot of preparation going in to go into a game. So it's not because of the current situation, but of course with the current situation, it's just made that game so much bigger.

56:53Well, I loved what you said off-air when we were in there. People don't understand how big a game this is and how deep this game runs. You said you went to watch Casper there once. You said, Casper, I love your pieces, but I can't go and watch you at that specific stadium. and then you've had so many games there, you had that month there when you first came and now obviously you're going to go into the heat on Ellen Road on Sunday with everything going on. We have our studio, it's a touchline, our dance is a touchline and from the touchline to where the crowd is, it's not very deep. Let me just start by saying I absolutely love playing at Ellen Road.

57:35It's hostile, yes, but it's a great atmosphere to play in. It's so lively and obviously Leeds United, they don't like Manchester United and vice versa and there's also Yorkshire, Lancashire, War of the Roses. All of that is still in a way impacting football between those two football clubs. And I had an absolute massive dose of it in my first year because we were playing them in the league on the 29th of December we drew them in the FA Cup and was playing on the 5th of January we were there ready in our club suits but the game got called off it was a waterlock pitch then we played them on the 11th in the League Cup and then that replay of the FA Cup ended up on the 15th so in two weeks I was there four times played three and it was just from that experience I want to come back and play here it's really really fantastic And there's only one other place I had the same kind of feeling with, and that was Goodison.

58:41I played my first away game at Goodison. And I feel it's a bit sad because that was, for me, what sad was what English football was all about. So the good news is it's still there. It's still at Ennend Road. And it's only going to be worse because they're extending the stadium. Oh, wow. It's going to be more hostile. But how big a game, though, right? How big a game is this? Yeah, it's a massive game. Leeds are playing. They're playing very well. They were pushing Arsenal last week. Yeah, they believe right now. They have the energy, the pressing well. Calvin Lewis up front, I think he's probably one of the most underrated strikers.

59:17It's not like he's scoring 25. No. But the work he puts in, the spaces he's creating for other players, his runs are so good, he's giving every defender a problem. He's a handful to deal with. so with Leeds playing well Manchester United in dire needs of a result something that can kickstart the season, something they can build up yeah, it's a massive game What do you think Michael's mindset is going into this? Knowing what you know about him and knowing what you know about this squad that pre-game conversation, all the training will be done, we know it will be done, you talked about it I feel like that's a big dressing room talk before the game that message it will be and the thing about michael and he might come across as uh unsure or insecure or but he's not he's a calm person and he prefers calm conversation yeah as to shouting and so it's not going to be that kind of big big big talk i don't think so um what i think is important to understand is how a week like this is so obviously in the weekend coming back from international duty not the best result terrible performance one or two home games in October against Spurs who hadn't scored more than two goals that was a game that could have set the whole thing going and it was not a great performance and they took that into the next game which was Atletico Madrid now you play that you lose 2-0 but then what sort of practically happens is that you are back in Manchester at 3 o 'clock in the morning so you're already you enter Wednesday you can't really train it might be a little losing up Wednesday then you come in Thursday and then you deal with the media Friday which is by the way today and again it's a coincidence because this has been predetermined from week to week today the player that Man United are putting in front of the media is Lissandro Martinez and this has been determined so he's speaking today well it's about the moment he's on the road at him I know that because we obviously we play Premier Sunday we were interviewing we were using those interviews that's our access into the dressing rooms so I knew this before the game on Tuesday so it's it's interesting but I don't know do you think he plays?

1:01:53he will do it of course he will I think he will rally that opportunity to come out and sort of clear the air. I think so. But I don't think... Michael would have spoken to him. He would have cleared all that. I agree. There's so much time to speak and have this conversation. So when you are at Carrington, when you're in the four walls, that's all gone. It's when you leave and drive through the gates. And the whole world is still talking about this. And this is the art of being a footballer. How do you ignore that or divert from that? So hopefully that's all been talked through and then they can maybe even use it as adverse energy into this game.

1:02:35Maybe it helps. We don't know. We'll have to wait and see. And finally, I'm going to push you for a prediction for that score on Sunday afternoon. Yeah. I'm not going to do it. No. I'm not going to do it. I think that says more. Yeah. But I hear you. I talked about love for my club and I get it. You're in the trenches. I would like to say, well, Manu and I are going to win, but I think we're in a situation where we don't play well and confidence is so much. And confidence in the football squad where a lot of new players have just arrived at the club,

1:03:19they haven't had enough time to have a good period, if that makes sense. You've got to earn the time, you know that. So it's difficult. But I also know that once they hit it again, they're going to take off. Once that confidence comes back, and a win against Leeds could be that thing, because they only have two days, and they're playing in Como. True that. Well, Peter, we've absolutely loved having you on Overlap Daily. I've adored it. Thank you very much. Can I just say, well done. It's your debut today, isn't it? Thank you. Debut today, hosting. Thank you. Well, it's easy. Thank you, Peter.

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