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3:38And I did. Just goes to show you the game is now in 2026, doesn't it? You know what I mean? What, they needed seat fillers, so they call me. Because people are like... It's probably you rejected an invitation. That way you are, the seat filler. I'd like to think no I'd love it if you got there and my name was on the back can you imagine Steve and Gerrard not coming I did get invited actually you did I did actually yeah you didn't you didn't want to go I got the invitation after I'd already made important plans because I've got a soccer camp school okay fine to go and visit and a lot of kids have signed up so I don't want to let them down no I get that I get that but you don't like going to things anyway really do you because I asked you if you go to the opening of an empty I'm not a suit man I'm not a black tie man And I'm not a sit-in and having four-course meals.

4:23You're in and out. But the Ballon d 'Or, it's a bit different, isn't it? Did you go in 2005? No. You didn't even go when you were nominated? No, I was third. Turn up to get third. It's not good enough. Did you know you were third beforehand? Yeah. How far in advance did you know? Hours. So it was on the day, it wasn't days before? Day before. day before got a card mark because I wondered I had my shoot ready and everything cakes I won't I'm only joking I'm only joking that's so good no I got a card mark saying that obviously still welcome to come and blah blah blah but I just pretended I had all the plans you just thought I'm not sitting there because who was you were third second was Frank Frank Lampard and the winner Ronaldinho I mean if you're going to come third to anybody was he?

5:18He's pretty impressive, Ronaldinho. Yeah, I'd had a bad time to recover from that, yeah. Were you upset? No, but I thought I had an outside chance, I would say. It'd been a good time, good period for you. Yeah, it was. Obviously, we won the Champions League. Had some big moments in that running and that journey to it, so I thought I had a small outside chance. But when it's confirmed that you're third, I'm slightly disappointed to finished third, yeah. That's fair enough. You're allowed to be disappointed. But then what happened in 2010? Nine. 2009. 2009. You popped up 10th. Top 10, yeah. Why was that season of resurgence?

5:58Probably happy with top 10 in that year. I mean, I was really good consistently in terms of numbers and playing well week in, week out for Liverpool. I scored over 20 goals that season. But I think the Ballon d 'Or, when people are selecting or choosing, they go on achievements, individual numbers how you played consistently and as a team we didn't really achieve enough it wasn't a World Cup year so that was sort of out of it we never achieved enough with Liverpool, I think you've got to be winning leagues or winning Champions Leagues or getting to the latter stages of a World Cup or contributing massively in a World Cup and hopefully that's the reason why Harry wins it tonight I hope so I think it's his time surely yeah spoke about it midweek on TNT and just sort of saying that like there's no reason for him not to win it I think he's ticked every box if you think about consistently week in week out all round game goal scoring numbers are off the charts insane the way he carries himself on and off the pitch he got to the latter stages with England and contributed massively in the World Cup and I just think when you compare that to Yomel or Mbappe who apparently are in the running with him I think he's done more in all the departments so fingers crossed I think he deserves it I'm hoping I'm wishing and praying that he gets it I think it'll be brilliant for him brilliant for English football and just where he's had in his career I think it'll be like you know he got a lot of criticism that he didn't win enough for being loyal to Tottenham well he was 30 and hadn't won a trophy and now he's 33 yeah I know but there's also got to be said something said for staying with your team that had been great for you and brought you through and Tottenham was his team and the supporters I admire the fact that he showed them incredible loyalty I think it's very rare in the modern game and then I think he deserved his move to Bayern he's knocked all the numbers off the charts I just hope to God he does it yeah good luck Harry good luck H

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8:48I think there's only one place to start, really, isn't there? And that is Manchester United against... I thought you were going to say Anfield. No, not yet. There's a bigger story than Anfield, and that happens at Old Trafford. Manchester United losing 3-0 at home to Bournemouth. And I actually want to start with Bournemouth's performance first. before we get into all the United stuff because what a week for Bournemouth off the back of AC Milan, winning at Old Trafford. It's sort of like, is Bournemouth everything that Manchester United wished they were at the minute? I'm glad you said that because I would have posed you and sort of said it's important that we don't forget Bournemouth's performance and the week they've had.

9:27Outstanding. Tactically, every single player has been outstanding. They've got real top players and real top quality but can you imagine being a Bournemouth fan with all due respect the size of the club where they've been the journey obviously they've had good times under Eddie Howe we know that they've done great to stay in and around the Premier League they recruit really well really nice football club but if you'd have said to Bournemouth fans what 10 years ago you're going to have a week where you beat AC Milan 3-0 and you beat Manchester United 3-0 they just probably laughed probably laughed so they deserve to enjoy this and I think the future is bright for Bournemouth I wonder if there's going to be a stage where they say above maybe they can't do this but where we're going to keep the players we've got and we're going to continue to add to what we've got rather than let people cherry pick our best players because you look at some of the players, they've got Clive Ryan Christie, I know he's had a few injuries but he's back now Tavenier, arguably one of the most exciting players in the Premier League at the moment is that then not changing your business model though?

10:42I know that's why I say I wonder if they can get to a stage where they don't have to do that or they can sell less because I look at these teams like Brighton I was really impressed with Brighton at the weekend even though Liverpool beat them your Bournemouths, your Brightons I wonder if they can as a club get to a stage where they sell less and they can start pushing for bigger things Can they go for an FA Cup or a league? They can still go for that now, but with a genuine chance and be in with a shout at competing at the higher echelons of the league. There are no easy games in the Premier League, but in terms of Manchester United, we've seen what Bournemouth are.

11:21What are Manchester United? Nothing at the moment. Nothing awful.

11:29Ownership looks awful from afar. Recruitment looks awful. from afar. I mean, there's people well more educated and inside the United or around Manchester United that know an awful lot more than me, but from where I'm sitting, it looks awful from top to bottom. When you think about the teams that you used to compete against when you played Man United, compared to what you see out there now? It's the hardest game in the league. They had the best players in the league. They had the best manager in the league. they probably had the best stadium at the time in terms of capacity everything was going for them Manchester United were the team to catch they had David Gill in charge who knew what he was doing they had a board that were recruiting unbelievable players from around the world they had world class players in the team academy players were coming through class of 92 obviously prior but even when I was playing bringing players through from the academy Wes Browns these type of players everything was just going in the right direction there was a unity about the club there was a direction and that was tough as a Liverpool player to chase that and compete with that erm I'm sitting here now thinking I'd love to compete against this United team I swear to God because you watch them and you know owners don't know what they're doing sporting directors lost, the camera pans on them and they're just there they're recruiting players that are not Manchester United level compared to the team that I competed against but more importantly, the players that are on the pitch there's nothing coming from them they're not working for the manager, they're not working for Steve Holland and you're not telling me that or no one will tell me that Michael Carrick and Steve Holland are not giving these players the right tactics the right principles of play, the right information in and out of possession, in transition, in both boxes, set piece-wise, all the main areas of the game.

13:35I know for a fact, and I know in my life, that they're getting the right information, them players. The problem they've got is the players are not good enough, and they're not carrying the instructions out. Manchester United are miles away, and something's got to change. Something's got to change with these group of players, because if it stays the same, results are going to stay the same and they're down the bottom of the league now and they're not going to win anything. You're talking about that you truly believe the tactics that they're being given are correct. So what is Bruno Fernandes coming out and saying in terms of he's clearly said in the week he didn't feel the tactics were correct?

14:11I think they've started the season really poorly and they're on a run result. I think they're at a stage now. These senior players and some of these players in the United Dresden room are thinking and we need to shift the blame elsewhere before the blame comes on us because they've had the blame before. And the good thing is Manchester United fans understand that. I think they showed the support for Michael yesterday and they let the players know that this is on them because when players are not running or carrying out instructions or they're not playing well enough, they're not moving around the pitch well enough, they're not fighting, there's not enough desire, all these things it doesn't matter who's in charge of this team if the players are going to behave like that I'm not saying all of them are because there's some that are still really trying in there still really trying to do the right things but the majority of them are miles off at the moment In your opinion would you have done the same thing as what Michael Carrick did in benching Bruno and not bringing him on at all?

15:09Really difficult one as a coach and a manager because I personally think I've experienced similar things when I was at Rangers

15:22you almost don't want to bite off your nose to spite your face type thing, I think he was lucky in a way with Lissandro Martinez that he owned up to the mistake really quickly, he come out and done a statement and he apologised so you can move on from it really quickly and you can still start him that didn't happen with Fernandes so I think Michael was left with no choice that he had to show everyone that that's not acceptable. He's undermined them, he's disrespected him, but not just him, the group of players, the fans and the whole club. And that's what the Manchester United fans need to understand.

15:55When a senior player speaks out like that, with that disrespect, the captain of the team is disrespecting everyone at the club. So Michael was left with no other choice to do what he'd done. He should have realised what he'd done was wrong and apologised before that game and come out and apologise. Then, as a manager, you can probably start him. But there was silence. I still think Fernandes is still thinking exactly the same thing and doesn't understand he's made a mistake. I think he lacks self-awareness as a leader of Manchester United. Is it mad that we're talking about the captain of Manchester United in this context?

16:30When you think of the great captains that have been down the year at Manchester United, can you imagine any others ever doing this? Well, look, I think the first thing to say is Bruno Fernandes has been Manchester United's most consistent player for over a decade. He's a top player, he's a very talented player. When he's at his level, he's world class. His numbers, assists and goals and his contribution to this team has been impeccable at times. But it doesn't give you the right to break the rules, the unwritten rules of football where you don't do your dirty washing in public. if you've got that to say and that to thought just be a man about it just go knock at the manager's door ask him about the tactics and say you maybe disagree with this or as senior players, as a group of senior players, go into the coaches have a chat with the coach you speak in private, you're a team you know it's difficult enough when you're together and everyone's aligned and you're fighting for your targets throughout the season the last thing Manchester United need after a poor start of the season is Lissandro Martinez speaking out, selfish, me, me, me.

17:40Then the captain comes out four days later, selfish, me, me, me. Oh, this is not right. What about the man in the mirror? What about the man in the mirror individually? Why don't you get together as a group and start fighting and run around and show desire? Why don't you show the club and the fans and everyone connected to Manchester United respect and just roll your sleeves up and start performing consistently? I would be fascinated to know what the player group WhatsApp chat says at the minute. I'll tell you what it says, it's toxic you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that they're not happy and that's the reason why Sutton's got to change there's a part of me that hopes that Michael's put out of his misery because you look at the fixtures coming up Chelsea, Roma Aston Villa who we'll speak about in a bit, who were terrific at the weekend and then you've got Liverpool who are starting to find the all away so you look at the next four games and there's part of me because of the respect I've got for Michael.

18:35And I'm not defending him as a... I'm not close to Michael Carrick. We don't message each other. We're not, like, friends now. He was my team-mates. But Michael is an intelligent footballer. He knows the game. He knows how Manchester United should play. He knows how it looks. Of course he's telling them players and giving them that information. I'm sure he wants a really attacking Manchester United team that's really difficult to play with. I sat with Steve Holland, Becky, for three, four days in Bahrain, and we spoke football from nine in the morning until five at night. And then we went for food in the night every night and we spoke more football.

19:10I learnt more in that four days than I've learnt of any coach I've worked with. He was absolutely top and his principles of play and how he wants his teams to play. I know they will be putting this to them Manchester United players every single day. Surely they are. Why wouldn't he be? Why would he sit with me and not share this stuff? there's a bad group of players at Manchester United Once you've lost them is it pretty much impossible to get back? He won't get these players back It'll snowball now It'll snowball He won't get it back He won't get it back Is that just because they don't have a respect for him?

19:49I don't understand that That's clear, Becky, that's clear It's clear they haven't got a respect two of the main senior players have undermined them in the last seven days. Manchester United, if you go through the squad, they've got some good players. Bruno Fernandes is the best player. I look at him and when I watch him and when he's at it. Even though I'm a Liverpool fan, he's a pleasure to watch. He does things on the pitch that I see playing in a similar position. He's a terrific footballer, talent-wise. But if you go through the squad, But the back four, Harry Maguire's had a really good career.

20:28Luke Shaw, I played with Luke. He was top in his day. They're not Manchester United players anymore. They should have been moved on quicker. Lissandro Martinez, last year, only interested in the World Cup. He's come back. He's seen that the players haven't signed the four or five that he wants in his world. Selfish, comes out and speaks. Then gets injured, goes off at half-time with a kick and has fit the next game. That stinks to me. you look at the midfield they've signed a player from Chelsea 50 million Santos not a Manchester United player so then it goes to recruitment higher up why are you signing players that are not good enough to play for Manchester United these are the only players you can attract now but he's not a Manchester United player Believer 70 million he's got potential he's not ready to help Manchester United compete at the top of the league now Fernandes speaking out about the manager's tactics that shouldn't happen at Manchester United you look on the sides of the pitch where when I played against United he had gigs Beckham world class players, I look at the sides of the pitch young Ahmed hot and cold, he's good but hasn't seen nothing this season he's been injured a lot nothing comes from the left side nothing at all, you look at the forwards Mbrembo, good player probably one of the shining lights of this season Cunha's dropped, so what's he doing?

21:49Is he not training right? Is he one of the toxic players? They've just signed him recently, what, 15 months ago. Why is a Brazilian international not starting? So he's not doing something right. He's part of the problem as well. Sesco, injured at the moment, not good enough. They've just got problems all over the place. So how does, if Carrick does go, how does somebody else come in and fix this? Who would want to try and fix this? will have to go. They need a complete reset from top to bottom of the football club. They need a complete reset. But that can't happen in one window. Well, it happened at Liverpool when we had Hicks and Gillette and we weren't signing good players and we weren't playing well enough on the pitch.

22:35It can change and it will change, but if you're only solving two or three of the problems, Becky, and you've got 50, the same results are going to happen on the football pitch. What do you anticipate it's like with them all going into Carrington this morning?

22:56Can't be a good day, can it? Can't be a good day. No, well, we wait to see what happens there, but something needs to change and pass it United, as you said. Yeah, but listen, we live in a world where the manager will get, eventually, whether it's today, tomorrow, next week, or after the four fixtures or whatever, I think it's inevitable, in my opinion, because I don't see these players changing and coming together.

23:22I'm not sure a manager can replace a manager with what's going on at Manchester United and fix it long term. I think there needs to be a lot of changes at Manchester United. That's my opinion. This episode is sponsored by Arn Clothing. Now here on Overlap Daily, we like quality. That's why you'll often see me, Joe, Gary, Cara and Mark in Arn Clothing. Arne's range is timeless, it offers great value, and you can wear it throughout the day to any occasion. Why not check it out in one of Arne's amazing stores? They've recently opened another in London's Westfield Stratford, joining existing stores in Liverpool, Manchester and Kent.

23:59You can always have a look online as well. Just visit arneclode.com. This episode is sponsored by Huel, official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily. OK, Tim, one less thing in football. I did it last week. what we're going to get rid of this week. I know that you've been thinking about this a lot, long and hard. I have, yeah. There's so much I want to get rid of in this game. So much wrong with a game at the moment. Okay. But something that's really driving me potty. Go on. Holes in socks. Oh, I don't. See? You like that, don't you? I don't like it. I would have done it. Why? I've got big calves.

24:33What it does, it can strip. Yeah, I've got big calves. Hey, Jack. Me and Jack had a calf off a few, a couple of years ago. It was a tight one. You might have just pipped me. But, yeah, I've got big calves. Honestly, that's why. Jack could pick everyone. But I couldn't do it. Jack don't. Imagine doing what Jack does in our day. Pull them down. Oh, well, yeah. So if I put my socks down playing against you and you're absolutely steaming into me, giving me six studs down my shin, no, you've got to wear shin pads. I couldn't kick you. You used to jump so high. No. You know what I would do? And I'll be thinking about this, actually, Tim.

25:03This is an idea for someone. What they should do is, the reason why people cut holes in them, when people go, what are they cutting on? They're cutting because it's a restriction around your calf. Because the first thing that gets restricted when you're running around is you get cramp in your calf, right? Who says this? I know, it's a fact, because it's happened to me. No, but they don't. These sports scientists, they know they're running the game, you know. I know they are. Anyway, every game at Liverpool, I used to get a new pair of socks. Because once they get washed, they get so tight. So what someone should do, the panel with the calf, they should create or just do something where, like, you know women's tights, for instance, they're a bit stretchy.

25:39No. Yeah, you do. So, like, women, so that panel like that, just make it so it's got a bit more restriction, like a women's type, but a little bit stronger. So then it expands more. So someone out there wants to do it, create it, and then we can maybe go half-half, 50-50 or something like that. Yeah, I'm all in for that then. But that's what, I think that's Nike, Skechers, someone should create those socks, and I'm telling you now, they clean up. But I'm not getting rid of them. I understand why people cut their socks, so I don't know about this one, Tim. I think we're going to disagree to disagree.

26:07I want it out. You want it out? I want it out. for sure. What are you going to do? So if a player come out with holes in their socks, what are you going to do? Give them a yellow card. Straight away, it should be straight red. Straight red. They have to wear the strap in the same colour as their sock now and all that, don't they? Why are they cutting holes in their sock? There's no reason why they do it. I know you said there is. Medical reasons. I've asked the guys. Who you are? There's no... Who, what guy? Loads of... What guy? Loads of medical guys. What's his name? Kevin Lidlow. Yeah, all right, okay.

26:35He knows everything. He knows everything. But if Bellingham does it, it's all right. Does he do it? Yeah, Bellingham does it. He absolutely does it. But no, I'm sorry. I ain't agreeing with this one, Tim. But next week we'll have another one. We might agree. But this one, absolutely not. Can't agree with you. So I understand why people would do it. But someone... Game's gone. Someone go out there and create a little panel on the calf and then just sell the paint to Nike or Adidas, whoever does the kits. You know, when you used to cut your holes in your socks... I didn't cut them in. We won an ad.

27:06No, but you used to do it. You said you used to cut. No, I used to have new socks. Yeah, new socks. You have to pay for them socks. No, no. Helmet used to give them. I don't know if people know. You know when the boys swap their shirts? Yeah. They have to pay for a new one. I know. No, that was at Tottenham. Nowhere else. Is that right? Yeah. Is that right? 100 quid. Yeah. 100 quid. 100 quid, but they get the shirt for nothing. I know. So where's the 100 quid going? Yeah. I've got two. What's the best shirt you got? I never used to collect them. Did you? Nah. I've not got one shirt up in my house Not one of my own even I haven't even got No I don't know You know the Invincibles I swapped with Thierry that day When we drew 2-2 We drew 2-2 I swapped with Thierry Henry that day I got his shirt Where?

27:50And I gave it back to him to be honest Because I thought it was just a nice shirt to have for him Where? Where did you do it? Not in full view of everyone It was after the game Yeah I'd scored It was alright No one cared But I also got Zidane's shirt That was a good one Who needs Tim Sherwood when you've got Zinedine Zidane? Could have got my shirt. If you'd have asked me to go, no. Who needs Zinedine Zidane when we've got Tim Sherwood? Polls in socks will agree to disagree, Tim. The verdict's in. Footballers ripping their socks is, I'd say, sort of gone. You guys decide. Well, that's one less thing in football.

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30:16All right, we are absolutely delighted to be joined by Mark Goldbridge from the United Stand. And Mark, good to see you. You've just filmed a stick to United with Wayne. That'll be out tomorrow. I cannot wait to see what on earth that conversation was. But after Como, you must have thought, this just can't get any worse. And then Bournemouth happened. Yeah, I mean, I would have expected... I mean, look, listening to Michael Carrick on Friday in his press conference, he gave a speech about... He mentioned Sir Alex Ferguson, Wayne Rooney and Ryan Giggs. That's how far he went back into the past.

30:48But I would have expected... Well, maybe it was naive. I would have expected a response. I would have expected the players to literally turn up, flick the light switch like they have done sometimes. But it was abysmal. The first 20 minutes was tame. The crowd are then off. And then, I mean, I personally think, I think looking back on it, Bournemouth could have scored six or seven. It was, they missed a lot of chances and we created nothing. So credit to Bournemouth. It was embarrassing, really. What can Carrick do? Anything? No, I think it's past that with Carrick. I would like it to have worked.

31:24I didn't actually want Carrick to get the job. I felt it was too similar to Solskjaer. I think the club... I was listening to what Stevie said there about above the board, which is great. Sorry, above the manager, which is the board, which is absolutely spot on. The decision to give Carrick the job and not know what happened with Solskjaer is incredibly incompetent from the board. But once he got the job, I wouldn't have expected it to go this bad this quick, but it's been bad all season. You mentioned Como. Spurs in the first half dominated us. Fulham, we needed a late equaliser. Even Ipswich, the only win we had, we were losing.

32:00And Harry Maguire handled the ball to get us back in the game. So it's been terrible this season. As much as it's not just Michael Carrick's fault, it's really bad. I've not known it this bad, but it's really bad. Mark, just on that, I know you've obviously been listening to some of your stuff recently in the last few weeks and you're obviously desperate for that Carrick change. Let's assume it is an Eddie Howe or an Egglesman or a Conte. Are you happy then in terms of they're the individual that's going to all of a sudden take Manchester United to compete at the top end of the league or compete for the trophies that they should be competing for?

32:34Or do you agree in terms of what me and Becky have been speaking about that there needs to be numerous changes throughout the club? Absolutely. And it's interesting driving up today, looking at what some journalists have written. I almost feel angry that I'm listening to all the stuff that we've been talking about on the United stand for probably two or three years. It was very obvious to anybody who actually analyses Manchester United that the manager, whilst being a problem, isn't the problem. You've obviously got the playing staff, but there's two sets of people who are responsible here. There's the ownership and there's the board because they set the tone of the football club.

33:13And if you look at the director of football, his job is not just to recruit, which he's done badly. It is to sell, which he hasn't done. It is to recruit a manager capable of making Manchester United good again. It's also to set the style of play. It's to set the pathway for the youth team. And on every single level, and also on top of that, you are scrutinised on how many managers you sack and replace. and this change from Glazers to Ineos has been an absolute shit show. I don't know whether I can say that, but it has. Yeah, you can say it. I think you want to go for it. It has. And the Glazers have destroyed Manchester United Football Club.

33:51They've put it into debt. Old Trafford's going to get knocked down. It's disgusting, but it's got worse under Ineos. And if you bring the best manager in the world, prime Sir Alex Ferguson, you bring Jurgen Klopp in, you bring Pep Guardiola in, they will fail. Michael Carrick needs to change because there is a season to try and do something with, but it won't be to win a title. It won't be to maybe even get top four. Man United need a total reset at the very top, and we've wanted that for a long time. But as a bare minimum, you need to remove the people who made the decisions to set the squad up like it is and give Carrick the job in the first place.

34:29They must be responsible. You cannot allow Jason Wilcox and that board to appoint another manager. Mark, do you think they're aware that they are the problem? And would they admit that they are the problem? You know what? I think I've used the word incompetence and I think incompetence is the word. Some of the feedback we've had speaking to other people is if you, and this goes to the players as well, if you criticise a player, you might get a message from an agent saying you're a bit harsh. If you criticise the board, you might get something coming down saying, oh, we don't like what you've said there.

35:01Well, I would say today, were we wrong? You know, is it wrong to criticise players? Is it wrong to criticise the board? I think they live in a bubble. They don't communicate with their fans. There has been protests. There's been mass anger at Manchester United for a very long time. I mean, we had the game against Liverpool where it got cancelled. We had the Super League reaction to that. Man United fans have been angry for a long time and they're not listened to either. There's no communication from the football club. So no, Becky, I don't think they listen. I think they live in their own little tower and they think they know what they're doing.

35:36And I think they see fans as an inconvenience. But I'm hoping that one good thing that could come from this is that the club is on its backside. And, you know, the media, the wider media and everyone is starting to wake up to it now. And hopefully, you know, heads are going to roll in relation to the higher ups. In terms of lack of self-awareness around Manchester United at the minute, I mean, I noticed over the weekend they were tweeting, it's almost like infuriating the fans because they were tweeting saying, have your say on our future. What do you think about the new stadium? And you're thinking, who actually thought that was a good idea to put that out at that moment at that time?

36:14Surely there is not that lack of self-awareness. Yeah, I mean, they can shove the stadium up their arse. I never wanted it anyway. I mean, I was actually at Anfield a couple of years ago. I got asked to play there. and after much deliberation, I did think, you know, it is a nice football ground and I went up there. And it's incredible what they've done with Anfield because it's got heritage, but it will never get knocked down. They will just modernise it, look after it, and fair play to them for that. Old Trafford should be in that situation and they're knocking it down for the simple reason that the Glazers neglected it for 20 years.

36:47And then we're meant to celebrate some pictures from chat GBT that we're going to have a super-duper stadium that's already moved from where the pictures were. we don't know how we're going to fund it. I don't want a new stadium. I wanted Old Trafford to stay forever. I want Manchester United to have a team in there that I'm proud of. But I know people who went out to Como last Wednesday in the pouring rain and watched that performance. And before they're even back in the UK, they're being phoned by the ticketing office asking if they want to buy tickets for future games. I mean, you couldn't be more out of touch.

37:19It's incredible. And that happens a lot because it's just about money. Yeah. Do you have anything to add, Stevie? No, I totally understand it, what he's saying. Similarities under Hicks and Gillette, similar frustrations and feelings. I mean, the positive thing from a Manchester United, you're probably on the floor now, probably can't get any worse than it actually is. And there is people out there who can reset a club, who can improve a club. We've lived it with FSG. And yes, they've made a couple of mistakes along the way, but they've been really quick to go, no, we understand that is a mistake, we're a bit naive and they've completely understood and they listen to the fans, they've improved the stadium, they've improved the team, they've attracted the best managers, recruitment being in the main, fantastic.

38:11You see as an ex-player, the treatment that you get from the club, you feel like you're still part of the family, the fans are heard. At Liverpool at the moment, and it hasn't always been that way, we're just on this journey in this wave and everyone's together and everyone's United I know you won't want to hear this but tough because we've we've had our tough times as well but I think that's the only fix for United is to I don't think changing a manager I think it'll give you some short term pleasure and I actually think it'll put Michael Karakara up as misery because he'll be finding it tough at the moment I've lived it myself but I think heads need to roll from top to bottom in my opinion because I don't think changing man for man is going to give you the long-term solution your Man United fans crave.

38:59It's interesting that you say we've hit rock bottom. I hope you're right because ultimately people are starting to mention the R word, relegation, and there's a lot of money that needs to be spent at Manchester United. It was shambolic looking at that midfield rebuild. I remember saying when Jurgen Klopp brought in Gravenberg, Sabozlai, McAllister and Endo, I've never seen a manager replace a midfield in one summer. Respect. It was brilliant what he did. Man United have tried to do it, and I saw it yesterday, and it's Tillemans, Belaber and Santos, and it's crap. And that's not their fault. That's like, there were so many good players to go for in that midfield.

39:37I saw one at Spurs in Tonali. Obviously, Elliot Anderson was very expensive, but there was other options. It's so misguided. It's so badly run. And that team is not very good either. So even if a new manager comes in, that team's not very good. Bournemouth is better than Manchester United and it could get worse. It could get worse. It does need a total reset. But if they continue down the pathway of stubbornness and lack of communication, it could get worse. But how many people want to come to Manchester United at the minute, Mark? Because we've heard that maybe there was conversations around Harry Kane and Declan Rice for whatever reason.

40:11They didn't want to come or they didn't come. It didn't work out. But attracting those top players at the minute from the outside looking in looks difficult. It does. But, you know, we did spend£150 million on those three midfielders. Honestly, we'd have been better off buying two really good quality ones. We are, I mean, look, we've sacked half our workforce, which is incredibly horrible and didn't get enough focus, really, I don't think. We've also reduced our wage bill. We also refuse to spend certain wage amounts. These things will lead you to where you are now. It's no surprise to any United fan that if you reduce the wage bill and you're not willing to pay over£70 million for a player, then you're going to struggle.

40:58I think we're the only traditional top six side that's not paid£100 million for a player. That's not something to be proud of. If you want to be successful, you have to buy players, and you have to buy good players. They come at a premium. Yeah, but I would still say, and whether people want to listen to this or not, Manchester United, the Badgers, still got the pull. If Carragher is sacked, top managers will still want that opportunity. They will still attract good players. Just because they didn't get Anderson or Declan Rice at the time, it doesn't mean that you can't go and find other top players.

41:31There is hundreds and thousands of top players in every position around the world. I mean, your Bournemouths and your Brightons have proven that.

41:41So I don't think you need to over-worry about that, losing the pull of Manchester United. I don't think that will ever go away. But I agree with Mark. Potentially it could get worse if big decisions are not made quickly. Can I just say I love that you two have found some common ground and agreed on something. I actually thought we were going to have a bit of a bash at each other early doors. I was ready. I've got a few things up my sleeve for him, but he's been pretty nice. I'll let him off. Well, I'm in a weak position at the moment, aren't I? Well, yeah. I mean, Jamie Carragher's T-boy now. you just shouted at you didn't you you just done what you told I can't believe you never rolled your sleeves up and went toe to toe with them what happened there?

42:18edited out Stevie was it? it wasn't live so you did have a bash did you? it was all in the edit it was all in the edit blame the lads then yeah blame the lads

42:34alright Mike Keegan Chief Football Correspondent for the Overlapers joined us in the studio welcome Thank you very much. First time with Stevie and I in a studio. Great to see you. Happy to be here. I'm going to say a shame in these circumstances that we're talking about. A Manchester United side, a club in turmoil. You were at the game, the Bournemouth game yesterday. How bad was it? Oh, just from start to finish. I'm not a United fan, but I went to school in Manchester. I worked for the Manchester Evening News. And I was there for that period of dominance. and I never ever thought I'd go to Old Trafford and it would feel normal to expect United to get beat.

43:12And yesterday, I'm looking round and I'm just expecting Bournemouth, with absolutely no disrespect, Bournemouth to come to the place and turn them over. It was almost inevitable. And it's just, you look around the place, things that you wouldn't think you'd ever see. So in the Munich Tunnel, for example, there's a plaque on the wall for the air disaster to commemorate the people who died. and it's behind glass and there's a flame, which is meant to be like an eternal flame that will always burn for those people. It's gone out. And it's just, I know that there are huge issues at Manchester United, but to me, that's almost indicative of a club that's broken.

43:51Then you're looking around the stadium and this is before Bournemouth scored any of the goals. There are empty seats everywhere at Old Trafford. And again, it's just things that you never thought you'd see. That flame is really quite representative as well. attention to detail things that matter to the club suddenly appear not to matter at the very top level yeah and there might be an innocent explanation for it um but it just you see that and you're just like oh you know what's going on it is an astronomical fall from grace for Manchester United as you said like when you go you did never expected to go there and it not be a fortress Old Trafford's always been a fortress it's always CV said going there was tough it was hard it was the hardest you know before Roman Abramovich come and obviously the city power United was the hardest fixture home all the way they're the best players the best team best manager players go there now though not with that mentality but the whole club Becky was a force making the most money around the world David Gill solid really good at his job, Fergie, arguably the best manager there's ever been.

45:05I'd obviously debate that with some of the ones we've had at Liverpool. But from top to bottom, everyone aligned, the club on a journey going in the right direction. You don't recognise the Manchester United of today compared to the one that was before, miles away. From the crowd point of view, for Michael Carrick yesterday, there was a lot of love. As soon as he went down the tunnel, that atmosphere changed. Yeah. I thought if there was a positive from yesterday, it was the way that the crowd reacted. I think to see Carrick go off, and he did a tour pretty much like almost like a lap of farewell, not a lap of honour, obviously.

45:45and as soon as he gets under the tunnel at Stretford End everybody that was left started pelting the players and I thought it was good to see they're probably, the team that he picked yesterday to me looked like he figured out first who he thought he could trust and then tried to grow bar them into positions but the players are the ones who go on at the pitch and I think it probably was good for them to hear that noise from the crowd but then throughout the game it felt like, you mentioned it this is it, this is as low as it goes it's a broken club I come from a tabloid background and we all often used to get accused of you'd stick the broken badge on the back and oh they're at it again, over-egging it but it really is broken so you've got the fans singing you can stick your stadium you know where and that will hurt because that's a big project of Ineos Cell United obviously you don't want to swear on this but Cell United and F off home those were powerful statements yesterday and the Glazers got it, Sir Jim Ratcliffe got it, Jason Wilcox got it and it just felt like a really seismic afternoon.

46:52It feels like this is inevitably going in one direction for Michael Carrick. Stevie's already mentioned it's very difficult once the players turn to pull that back. Why has it not happened already? Why has Carrick not been relieved of his duties yet? I think because he took over at a really difficult time and he steered them to a really positive mid to end of the season and they were more consistent, they were playing a better brand of football. They were tactically a much difficult team to play against and I think that's the reason why United fans showed the clash yesterday. They understand that Michael's not the only problem here.

47:32Changing Michael Carrick like for like or bringing a different manager in who's maybe more experienced or more skilled is not going to fix all Manchester United's problems. I hope that's a breaking news. That'd be a good timing. Don't forget the dinner on your way home. But I think there was an understanding that Michael's given a lot as a player. And he took over difficult times and done a fantastic job. They haven't started the season well enough. The fans and Michael are not stupid. They know it's only a matter of time and how difficult it'll be for him to turn it around now. But I'm glad for Michael's point of view that the fans stuck with him.

48:07and sort of understand that there's a bigger problem from top to bottom at Manchester United. We've spoken a lot about Michael Carrick and the players, but I'm fascinated to know from a board level and above, what are they thinking as far as you're aware? I think they were taken aback a little bit by the fan reaction yesterday. I think it's interesting that Michael wasn't relieved of his duties last night, but they'll also be thinking this is on us as much as it's on anybody else they've made the appointments they gave Ten Hag got his extension which was the first error then they bring in Ruben Amarin second error, now if Michael fails it's like, well when does it start to get turned on us?

48:54Do you think they could possibly in the next hours or days decide to walk themselves? I don't know if he'd walk because you know what it's like in football. People want the payoff. Okay, is the possibility that someone above Wilcox's level could make more decisions than just Michael? Yeah, I think Jim Ratcliffe is heavily involved in everything major that happens at that football club. And if he is getting to the point where he's like, I've put these people in charge and they're making the same mistakes and it's not working, he's ruthless. He's been in business for a long time, incredibly successful.

49:30he will make we saw it with Dan Ashworth you know he was there for however long he was and as soon as it started to not look right he made his move Interesting But you made an interesting point earlier because you were asking this was when we were just chatting about who is the man on the ground for the Glazers who is the man that is reporting to them who is telling them exactly what is happening and what the problem is For the Glazers I think they've basically sold short of 30 % of the club to Jim Ratcliffe and said there you go crack on when he so they're not listening they're not interested in listening to the issues the problems you think they're just like there you go Jim they've had 20 years now of United fans so who's Jim's man I think Jim's man's Omar Omar Barada ok be interesting to see what he decides to do or whether they sort of use Wilcox as like it's you and Michael and then there's a bit of a fresh start it'd be interesting he was caught yesterday by the TV camera shaking his head The problem United have got is that these people aren't going anywhere, so they need to figure it out themselves.

50:35What I would say is a positive, and United fans probably won't like hearing this, but Jim Ratcliffe isn't there for this not to be a success. So, you know, he is the age that he is. This is a legacy play from him. He wants to go in there. He is a United fan. He wants to restore that football club to where it should be. I can't see him giving up. so they either figure it out themselves or this carries on for a very long time mike thank you so much for joining us appreciate it cheers this is hannah burner from giggly squad opil is the first over-the-counter daily birth control pill available in the u.s let's be real getting a birth control prescription is not always easy and it's so much admin in fact about a third of women face barriers to access prescription birth control between scheduling appointments missing work class or just trying to exist it's a lot but now opill is putting birth control in our control opill is a daily birth control that's fda approved full prescription strength and estrogen free and 98 effective when used as directed grab it online or at most major retailers no prescription or doctor's appointment needed so if you're thinking about birth control check out opill to see if it's right for you Use code Giggly for 25 % off your first month of OPILL at O-P-I-L-L dot com.

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53:30All right, you've been desperate to talk about Liverpool. Let's get on to them. 2-0 winners over Bryson. I think everyone was looking forward to this game. Are we starting to see the Andoni-Iraola effect in motion? Not just in this game, I think it's been building for weeks. I think when he's first come in, really imbalanced squad. They had some issues in the first few games of the season, struggling against counter-attacks, they looked very open. They had a problem at right-back. But credit to the manager, he's fixed them few issues. Each week, each performance, you can see more identity, more philosophy of Iriola coming into the team.

54:07Liverpool were very good yesterday, but special mention to Brighton as well because the game and the scoreline could have been different if they took their chances. But in terms of this Liverpool team, what we're seeing now, compared to the majority of the games last season, it looks very different. It looks faster, it looks more energetic, more intensity. They're playing forward a lot quicker, they're more exciting. And in the last three or four games, the big players with the big fears are really contributing and stepping up and stepping forward. And that's what we needed to see from a Liverpool fan perspective.

54:39In terms of the growth and keeping it going for Liverpool and stepping it up even more, is the fact Brighton did have chances against them something they need to nullify a bit more? 100%. This Liverpool team are a way in progress. They have to get that balance right of when the ball turns over, being organised behind the ball, not given easy chances. Some of the issues were their own fault, if you like, maybe overplaying a little bit at the back or turning the ball over a little bit too much. but you've got to give this manager time. I'm really interested to see how he does. I like him. I like the way he comes across.

55:16I like what I see in terms of how he's changed the few issues that the team's had. With more transfer windows, confidence in these big signings and being together and growing together, I think it's an exciting time for Liverpool at the moment. You said about Bradley Bacola getting going, Isak doing well. What has clicked here? What is working? Why now? You mentioned all their names. This team needs Isak fit and available and robust enough to repeat games because he's a Premier League goalscorer. The pass from Barcola where he's bounced it off the ground, which I think is meant to get it over the defender's leg.

55:53The way he's opened his foot and just guided him, it wasn't an easy finish, but it was a lovely goal. Barcola looks rapid. He looks rapid and he's now looking match fit with game minutes under his belt. He came after a pre-season with no game time. he's had a fantastic 10 days, 2 weeks and the touch paper's lit now you can see the player they've signed Wirtz has come back from international break under a real cloud of criticism but he's stepped up he's accepted it and his performances in the last three have been much better I still think there's more to come but you can see the talent he was excellent in the first half yesterday so them three together you had Cody Gakbo to that young Rio it's a real exciting mix if you can keep them all fit and available and keep them all firing and contributing now the challenge is can they defend well enough because they have been conceding too many goals McAllister's come back into top form Gravenberch is back in the team so if they get Subozlai back in there it's a stronger midfield when they're all fit and available I still think moving forward and Iriola might disagree and some Liverpool fans might disagree I still think Liverpool miss a real strong powerhouse in the middle of the team.

57:08Someone who holds the middle of the team and stops people playing through them and puts a lot of issues out. Laika Fabinho, for example. Adit Mahamanda, I played with them type that they worry about the other side of the game. When everyone's thinking attack, attack or let's go and create and be obsessed with scoring. You have a clever one in the team like a Rodri who goes, no, no, no, no, no. If this goes wrong or the ball turns over, we need to fix a different problem. I think Liverpool lack that. McAllister's good, but I don't think he's top at that. And yeah, defensively, Arako is on loan, so I'm interested to see what decision they make there.

57:48But he was unbelievable yesterday. Jacke's going from strength to strength each week. So you can see the future beyond Van Dijk. but as a team and a unit they're still giving up too many chances and that's the next part of Iriola taking them to the next level I still think I thought they were soft early on in the season they've got tougher they've improved they've got more physical they're putting it about a little bit more so there's been an improvement but I still think the next level they need to become horrible to play against even stronger giving less chances away that's the next step for Liverpool I loved the post-match interview that Florian Furtz did after the game and a reporter put to him, oh, there's a lot of noise around you, as everyone always says to the player.

58:31And he was like, you know what? Maybe I'm just an interesting guy. And I thought, yes, fair play. He's obviously hearing, but he's just like, I'm just going to do my thing. I'm going to play football. And that's the type of mentality. Yeah, and this is what I said a couple of weeks ago. That's the right attitude and mentality. Just focus on your game, your next performance, whether you play well or it doesn't go well for you. At Liverpool, the games come every three, four days. Just get ready for the next one. But to be fair to the kid, he's not feeling sorry for himself. He's still going out there.

58:58He's trying to create for the team. He's trying to score for the team. He's been an awful lot better in recent weeks. But yesterday he was outstanding in the first half. Some of the passes he played, some of the spaces he's contributing. Obviously it goes down as an own goal, but he's in the right place taking shots on. My message to him is be a bit more selfish. Sometimes you don't have to play the last pass or look for that last pass. If you're in range, let it fly. He's capable of scoring goals himself. So I want him to be a little bit more selfish in a nice way. I don't want him to stop other people getting easier chances than him, but reward yourself a little bit more.

59:34Sometimes when you're young, you're looking to play that extra pass and be a little bit more selfish and let the trigger go. Well, I hope he watches Overlap daily. Takes your advice. He could then say that. Let's talk about a couple of other teams. Interestingly, Liverpool's next game, Xavi Alonso, he's returning midweek. Carabao Cup, it's a call now. Yeah, Chelsea. Yeah, interesting. Chelsea were poor at the weekend and even though as a mate of mine, I thought tactically Xavi and his staff were slow and off it themselves at the weekend because I'm watching that game and I watched it closely and Tottenham were outstanding, played them off the pitch, they dominated the midfield area, looked like they were going to score more goals than they did and I think if they had a real clinical striker this Tottenham team would go to the next level very fast.

1:00:24Charleston really did make his bed, didn't he? He's got a lie in it now. He's not prolific. He's not prolific and he's obviously upset the manager he doesn't deserve to play. Don't feel sorry for Charleston. But what I mean is they've got a lot of good players in that front line. Solanke, Marmouche, Tell. But if they had Harry Kane now and a world-class goalkeeper now this Tottenham team would challenge in my opinion because they've got everything else really good Tenale was excellent at the weekend Fernandes, his best performance in the Tottenham shirt loved Maddison before he went off I hope to God he's not injured because he gives this team personality and character he'll take the ball anyway and I think he lifts other people around him I hope to God it's only a little small issue so this Tottenham team are set in a lot of areas but they haven't got that killer nine and they haven't got that world-class goalkeeper.

1:01:20Kinksy gave them a lot of problems with overplaying. I'm not sure he's top. He's a good goalkeeper, but I'm not sure he's top. But you're only as good as your one and your nine. And I think there's an opportunity for Tottenham to really go world-class level in the Marius. And this Tottenham team will fly. They were excellent at the weekend. Yeah, they've definitely found that belief and they're all playing for De Zerbe. Going back to Alonso, it's like, is there an issue at Welbeck? why didn't Welbeck start? Yes, because they lost Joao Pedro late. Chelsea didn't adapt well enough, is that fair to say?

1:01:54No, no, they went for a bit of a different shape. They were more of a 4-4-2 and the two were Rodgers and Palmer, who were excellent players and they went for Kwanda on the left and Neto on the right, but they've changed that because Joao Pedro's jumped out late. But in my opinion, you've just beat Everton with a really strong show and why would you change the formation and adjust it that way just put Danny Welbeck in that's what you've brought him in for Danny Welbeck will score goals if you create chances Palmer put a cross in early doors it was in the first 8-10 minutes I've got it in my notes there was an unbelievable cross Danny Welbeck would have just tapped that in there's no striker there and then you're thinking at half time Tottenham have just dominated you for 45 minutes come on then Javi what have you got for us is it Danny Welbeck no Danny Welbeck last 20 minutes no Danny Welbeck so Jabi's been great so far and tactically really good so far but as a friend I have to say it he was late and slow if Danny Welbeck was fit or was he just there just to take a space up on the bench we don't know if there was an issue where was Danny Welbeck?

1:03:02where was Danny Welbeck? that game could have looked different and probably would have been different and obviously the red card didn't help I think Cole Palmer's come out and apologised and rightly so I'm glad he's acknowledged that because it was really naive and silly and Chelsea were out co-parmitted and not Chelsea in my opinion at the moment. Xavi's first home defeat of the season. So that's Chelsea and Spurs were taken care of. Bryson who played in Liverpool. Can I just say before we move on? Yeah. You can say whatever you like. We should be able to give managers man of the match even though they're not playing.

1:03:37De Zerbe, the way he coached his team and I'm a massive fan of De Zerbe and I've watched Tottenham a lot lately and they've been brilliant and haven't got the results they deserve outstanding I like that rule change I would support that why not or person of the match person of the match that's a good rule change we'll see if that one ever flies so Bryson obviously had chances against Liverpool they've got City twice in a week and City lost to Aston Villa Aston Villa are looking like a difficult team to play against yeah I'll start with City because City weren't poor or didn't turn up they actually played quite well at times they improved a lot in the second half and they pushed and they had some chances but the biggest compliment I can play Aston Villa is they beat a really good City side who played some good stuff who were in a good place who were winning games consistently so the credit that Unai Emery and this team deserve if you didn't watch the game don't think that Aston Villa have beat a Manchester City team that didn't turn up, that wasn't the case this was just Villa being top and to a man, excellence all over the pitch and I can talk about them all individually because they all played the part during the game scored two good goals in my opinion two goalkeeper mistakes which we can elaborate on if you want but Unai Emre what he's done since he lost the six players from the Europa League Cup final had the team ripped in half for them to recruit in the way he has and put it together yes, a slow start to the season but where Villa are now Villa are a really tough team to play against, they were aggressive, they were front foot, they were organised and they've got some really good players and exciting young players coming as well so Villa are in a good place now.

1:05:32I want to come back to that and we'll talk about Nicholas Jackson in a minute but Donna Rimmer I just want to pick you up on that. Listen he's a world class goalkeeper and he's got the reputation in the game that he deserves. I'm not denying that. He's been brilliant for City since he came in, but I just want to go back to the PSG game. It was his fault that that comeback wasn't on because that game should have remained 3-1 while City were pushing and they were peppering PSG's box with crosses and quality and having all kinds of chances. PSG go down the other end against the run of play. the guy's facing the opposite stand and whips the ball that wasn't a hard save and he tries to put it over the bar and it goes in and it's 4-1 then so the comeback's dead so I thought he was at fault there so you'd expect a reaction from there going into Villa there was two things that happened in the game at different times the goal that Jackson scored first that he hits into the roof of the net I think his arms are too low or in too much of a neutral position to get there in the first place I'll be interested to see what Joe Hart says but in the second half the same thing happens with a City player Guardiola it was same type of strike Suzuki's arms are higher ready and he tips it onto the bar and it's a world class save I expect Don Arama to do the same in the first goal and the second goal it just goes through he's like a wet wheat of bricks it just goes through the City, the goals that they're conceding they're just individual mistakes goalkeeping mistakes obviously Mark Gay has a really bad touch and he has a bit of a nightmare afternoon mark but he's been very consistent for City.

1:07:08He's had this performance which is so hard of character. I'm a massive fan of him. He had a great second half of the season with City and he's played some good games this year but he had a nightmare first 45 minutes and he got dragged off at half-time. So obviously the mistake led to that opportunity but you'd expect your goalkeeper to bail you out there. I think the first one's saveable. Not many people might agree. Goalkeepers probably won't agree but I think he could have saved both. Certainly the second one, it just goes under his body. But take Nottingham away, Manchester City played decent at times in the game and they created some stuff.

1:07:46Harlan's had a header as well in the second half, which Mattson's cleared off the line. But Villa have beat a good City side who've played quite well. But Villa were outstanding, start to finish. And what I like about this Villa team is even enduring the game, if they're not having the best of times, they stick together, they're organised, their distances are good, they suffer for each other, they put their bodies on the line. I mean, Lindelof, best I've probably seen him in a long time. Matty Cash, I think he got man of the match, he was unbelievable. The goalkeeper's top, saves the ball at his feet.

1:08:24Alisson, the young kid, Brazilian, who's exciting, and Baye comes on and helps create the second goal. But the star of the show and the headline merchant is Jackson. Do you think Nicholas Jackson has finally found his club? I think he's found his manager. And I think if you have that relationship, player to manager, where the love and the support's there and you know each other, I think you're off to a real big head start. They knew each other from Villarreal. They did. I'm glad you said that because I was thinking to myself, who was it? No, I mean, clever from, you know, you lose Olly Watkins, who I work with, who's top.

1:08:58It was a big blow for Villa losing him because he was their main talisman at the time. But the manager hasn't panicked there, he's known. Jackson could be available because he wasn't getting many minutes at Bayern. So good recruitment, good work again from Unai Emre and he's created this Villa 2 team. This is a different team, Villa, now than what it was at the beginning of the season because there was a lot of change and just getting used to the manager's tactics and way of playing. But they're fired at the moment. I think that's the thing because of how Villa started last season when they started a similar way this season no one panicked within the fan base no there's that trust there we've been talking about Manchester United and that no alignment from top to bottom I think Villa there's an alignment there from owner to manager the players trust he's got good senior players I work with Matty Cash great boy listens once a lane John McGinn listens once a lane bit cheeky but that's John so they've kept the core of players that really care about Villa and have got that connection with the supporters and they've recruited their game very well and they've lost so many good players so Villa deserve all the credit they certainly do they're onto a good thing at the minute I think that is us wrapped up wrapped up for today well done here we go I gave you your own round of applause getting paid for Canaan United what a job this is

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