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3:35Yeah, all good, mate. All good. How are you, Dad? Cheers. Yeah, all good. James, all OK? No problem. Good to see you, boys. How was, where did you stay last night? At the Grosvenor. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Good? Yeah, he was there, Ronaldo. Was he, yeah? Big Ronaldo, yeah. Oh, nine? Yeah. What a player. What a player, wasn't he? Yeah. What a player. Did he speak to him? Yeah, I had a picture with him, yeah. Stuart, the manager introduced me to him, yeah. Right. What a player, wasn't he? Oh, yeah. That was a machine. Remember we interviewed him, Roberto Carlos, didn't we? Yeah. We said to him, who's the best player you ever played with?

4:15And you look at all the players he'd played with. Yeah. He said him by a million miles, didn't he? Yeah, I know. He was a genius, wasn't he? Absolute genius. So you two, you bought Tim, didn't you, a few years ago? Yeah. What was that like when you bought him? Great. Nothing, wasn't it? Great time, wasn't it? Pay a lot, did you? Huh? Nothing, did I? I don't remember. I can't remember, yeah. Were you a freak? Where did you come from, Tim? Oh, Tottenham. Tottenham? Ports. Oh, sure, Glenn couldn't wait to get rid of me. I think he drove me down to Portsmouth. I don't think it was money. It might have been.

4:45I've been Daniel's old man. I can't remember, yeah. But, no. And then when you went to Tottenham, you could put him as a coach as well. Tim came in, yeah. Brilliant. It's your fault, mate. It's your fault I look like this. I had no interest, Jane, going to be a manager or a coach. No interest at all until your dad gave me a call. Harry rings me, you want to come down there. You know, just have a... I just got the bug. He got the grey hairs, though. He looked well, mate. Nah, mate. I still look better. The grey hairs. Not enough of that. And they get people in and let's just know the game. That was all it was.

5:14Yeah. Knew the club, but knew the game. and be around the kids, be around the first team. Who was the good cop, bad cop? Oh, Timmy didn't care. Give him a bit of surprise to him, wouldn't you? I remember Benoit crying one day. I don't know what you said. You made Benoit cry? Kottu, what happened? I remember it. It was Chelsea, 0-0. During the week, he said they're strong down the middle. It's going to be Drogba, Lampard running off. and all that. It might get exposed a little bit light on the outsides. Just before half time, the swinger brings the ball forward, brings it, brings it, brings it.

5:51Okotu's in the pocket there but not coming out to him and engaging him. So it's a shot, comes off the crossbar, nil-nil at half time. So I said to Benoit, after Harry's finished, I said, Benoit, you've got nowhere to engage the swinger. He went, I said, you've got nowhere to engage him. You can't keep letting him bring it. It's certain, you know, after getting his face, he went, I said, Just kiss your teeth at me. He goes, what? And Harry goes, no, I'll leave you. I can't have a hat. Just kiss his teeth at me. Anyway, I'd give him a little bit and then he wouldn't have a shower. And you had to get him out?

6:31Yeah, I can't remember. What happened? I could hear Harry in the back going, Benoit, we need you, mate. Come on. Come on, Benoit. Don't notice what he said. You can do what you like. He said to me, it's a great learning curve. Because on the Monday, Harry said to me, Tim, you can have a fight with these fuckers every day, mate. You've got to turn a blind eye. And he's absolutely right. You cannot treat him like that. You can have a fight every day, couldn't you? Of course you can, yeah.

7:01Welcome back to another Overlap Daily, brought to you by Sky Vegas, making sure entertainment continues between the games. On today's show, we've got Mark Goldbridge, Harry Redknapp, We're talking Manchester United, Arsenal getting knocked out of the Carabao Cup, Tottenham's resurgence and much, much more.

7:31Overlap daily changes all the time, doesn't it? Like one, we're getting a schedule ready and all of a sudden it should be pretty straightforward. and it's all about Man United and then last night, Arsenal, they throw in a curveball. What a night, wasn't it? What a night for Matt Lawler. You've had, that was a big moment. it reminded me a bit of beating Man United when they were cup holders. I was at Bournemouth and we were a struggling team. I mean, we were bottom half of the old third division and really, you know, desperate times at Bournemouth and suddenly we beat Windsor and Eaton and then I think in the first round after a replay, the second round we beat Maidstone, sorry, after a replay.

8:10Yeah. And then we end up drawing Man United at home. Yeah. Brian Robson was it, you know, people like that there. Or Brian Ackerson was the manager. They'd won, they lost one FA Cup game in two years. They'd won it the year before, they lose to Bournemouth, then they win it the following year. Which is incredible. I mean, I had a team of free transfers. Every way that team was a free transfer. They all come on frees and loans and whatever. Yeah. We draw Man United, I thought, listen, and they'll probably beat us five or six. Probably like the manager last night was thinking, driving to the game.

8:40Yeah, let's just... I hope we don't get beat six or seven. I hope we, you know, if it's two or three, you know, it's not too bad. That was how it was. But you liked that. Because it was an unbelievable night. I mean, Carabao Cup just throws them up every now and again. League 2 Fleetwood, 84 places between them. I mean, you quite liked how he conducts himself after as well. I did, yeah. I thought he genuinely showed excitement, didn't he? He didn't, you know, he didn't come on and start talking about, well, I planned this. Yeah, all that long time. No, they said penalties, the penalties were amazing.

9:08He said, yeah, well, we never practised any. He said, you know, the players just took them. He said, yeah, we're fantastic, aren't they? Dad, you must have had a couple of upsets as well, but it's gone the other way. Obviously, Man United changed your life. Bad ones, of course. What happened? How long you got? There can't be that many, eh? Well, I've got one here. I remember Wrexham. I remember that vividly. Yeah, went to Wrexham, played on the snow at Wrexham. The pitch was covered in snow and they marked the lines out. That was at West Ham? Yeah, it was West Ham manager. Went to Wrexham and drew.

9:40Got away with a draw under pressure. Came back to Upton Park and, yeah, about ten minutes to go. Fell out at a worldie and got knocked out of the cup that day. You threatened to resign after as well? I don't remember that. Are you sure? I've got it. I remember. Yeah? I did my research. Really? Why didn't I? What happened? Because you decided. I think they offered to give a new contract to know you was all right. Okay. surely you resign you don't get paid no yeah you found out I don't think I would have resigned yeah you don't get paid up if you resign no one's resigning you was on a little bit you had a couple of bad results but then then you turned it around which is what you have to do something you've got to stay in there now we're going to get on the topic of that obviously with Michael Carrick as well soon because that's what he needs to do right now turn it around of course Max Dowman last night obviously there's a talking point there young man 16 years of age gets sent off a lot of people talk about that but obviously Mikel Arteta's reaction.

10:36Now, how hard is that when you see a young player get sent off? Yeah, but you've got the umpies. You know, Arteta stood there, they're drawing. It's been a nightmare night. Everybody thought it would be 4-5-0 and he'd stand there and he'd use all his subs that he'd, you know, his young could bring the players on that he's not going to take the chance for any of those that he needs for Saturday perhaps. You know, he thinks, well, we'll cruise through the night and then suddenly there's one, you know, sitting there, you know, and hanging on with a grim knife. You think, you know, we need a result.

11:07We don't want to get a penalty. It becomes a lottery and then suddenly the kid gets sent off and he's obviously got the hump, Arteta, you know, if he said something to him. I don't think you can do that, though. What? No, I think that has to go back in the dressing room. You have to wait. Yeah, but what did he say? You know, what did he say? He's like an aggressive man. Yeah, but what did he say to him? Well done, Max, you know, well done. Just say nothing. No, say nothing. I think, well, it's our time before the game. Don't get sent off. Don't, you know, don't let us go. That's the message you give to your team when you play them games more than anything else.

11:42We do not want to play with 10 men a day. They're going to get steamed in. They're going to try to upset you. They're going to, you know, it's going to, that is got, the way they're going to, the only chance they've got is to get amongst you. Don't retaliate. They should have put that game to bed before 85 minutes anyway. Should have done. But Mikel's got to stay in his technical area. he wouldn't have heard him then, would he? What's he coming out there for? What do you think, Tim? I think he's a wonderful talent. Oh, yeah, thanks. It's a learning curve for him. Unfortunately, he's going to pay the price because that is where his game time is going to come from, playing in that competition, really.

12:18So now I know Saka's injured, so he might, and I hope he gets a few more opportunities. But, you know, win and learn as a kid. Was it a red card? I thought it was harsh. It was harsh, wasn't it? Harsh. The reaction of the other player. I mean, the tackle, Tim, it was a poor tackle. It was a poor tackle. It was a poor tackle. And he's probably never had tackles like that in the under-21s. He steamed in, didn't he? He knew what he was getting. And Tim's like, under-21s, you don't get that, Tim. That's where we keep coming back to the old loan system. Get them out. Get them out on loan. Playing football.

12:48Playing proper football. Get some of that. So you think Max has to go out on loan now? You think he's... I don't know. He's only 16. I don't know. He's so special. I don't know if you... Where'd you loan him to? You only send him out to a Premier League club, really, can't you? Of course, yeah. So, I think now, you've managed some incredible young talents, obviously young from Frank Lampard, Rio Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Joe Cole. That happens with a young player now. If you're Mikel Arteta, what do you do this morning, for instance? You get him in, you have a chat with him? Yeah, you have a chat with him, yeah, of course.

13:15You say, look, mates, you're going to get plenty of that, mate. That's how it's going to be for you. Especially in cup games like that, when we're playing lower division opposition, they're going to come steaming in. and you can't be retaliating. You've got to keep your cool. I know it's hard. It was hard last night. It was a bad challenge and he ain't really kicked him. He's sort of half kicked him away when his legs were tangled a bit. It's a dangerous tackle. I think in our day, you just go, what tackle? You'd be celebrating that one but any time you hook a player, you were just risking hurting their knee and I suppose he's just reacted, isn't he?

13:50He's just reacted. He's just right. He's pushed him off him. but he's asked the referee to make a decision and he's decided to make himself famous because mate this boy could be special and he'd be telling his grandkids I sent him off you're like I sent him off Max Downer I remember that hopefully one day lifting the World Cup and the grandkids won't believe him and he would say when was it and they said Fleetwood in the Cup and Arsenal lost they go now we know you're lying I've done a bit of research on you as well Tim you got sent off in the Youth Cup oh mate I remember it What did you do? I remember it.

14:25You know what? It wasn't even a sending off. He didn't even give me a red card. Referee was in my way. We were losing. That was a Vicarage Road. I think we might have been playing. I can't remember. I think it might have been a commentary, something like that we played against them. And the referee got in my way and I moved him out of the way, but like with my arm and hit him across the neck like that. Get away. I remember him playing a whistle, like shock, like looking at me. So not even a card. He walked over to Tom Wally. You remember Tom Wally? Yeah, of course. Who was a coach on the side.

14:51And he asked him to take me off. so they brought me off the pitch. Oh, really? So I was in the air. Then I got a letter from the EFA. I had to go and disciplinary hearing, and we tried to send some footage to try and get me out of it. I was a little bit aggressive, but I tried to just move him out of the way, you know, like Gazza-like. I got off it. I got off it in the end, but that was a learning curve for me. I remember getting sent off at Coventry. Mad game. We lost 5-1. Mickey Quinn got a hat-trick. I scored the only goal, gave away a penalty and then got sent off. So that was a lively old game.

15:29And I remember I got sent off. I'm walking off and I should have walked. Remember like the old, what's it called? Coventry's Ground again? Eiffel Road. Eiffel Road, yeah. The tunnel was in the corner. I'd never been sent off. I didn't know what to do. I'd only got sent off once. I was walking towards the dugout. I should have just gone straight to the tunnel. But as I'm going, I've got Suey. He's like growling at me. I think he's going to kill me. I'm looking up, I'm thinking, no, don't get any eye contact. So, he went, just get in there, point, I think you just, get down the tunnel. I went down the tunnel after the game and I was sat in the bath and I'm thinking, oh no, the whistle goes, I could hear the goal still going in 5-1, what a nightmare, losing commentary with Liverpool and he comes in after and he starts having it, steaming into everyone, disgraceful, it's a disgraceful result.

16:15Imagine that now, Liverpool losing 5-1 to commentary and he went, only one player, one player cared today and it was him. And I went, oh, what a result that was. I was shrinking and all of a sudden I come back to life. Yeah, give me one. Hair dryer. No floss. Oh, don't. But that's it. You know, Sui went the opposite way. And I'm sure that's what he might do with that. He loved it, didn't he, Sui? Oh, yeah. I remember selling Julian Dix to Liverpool. Yeah. And Graham wasn't really, when I first mentioned him, you know, we're going to have to sell our best player. He said, who's your best player?

16:53We were struggling at the start of the season. I went to watch Liverpool play. You were playing on a Sunday. He said, who's your best player? I said, Julian Dix. He went, not the little fat geezer. I swear to God, right? I went, no, he's not fat. I said, he's a different class. He said, is he? I said, yeah, Graham. I said, he can really play. He's got a left foot like a magic wand. I said, you'd love him. I said, he's aggressive. I said, he'll tell you what. He don't kill. He kicks lumps out of you in training. He said, I'll have some of that. He liked him straight away. That was it. And he came the following week to watch him play.

17:27Funny enough, at Coventry on the Saturday, we're going well. We go one up. We're winning. We ain't won a game yet, right, that season. I heard he suddenly had a little winger called Flynn. A little, quite an aggressive, I forget his first name. Remember him? Jim, Jim. Good player. Mickey Flynn, was it? Yeah. And he's running. Dixie's running with a ball. And as he's pulling Dixie's arm, Dixie's first reaction. if you'd done that to him. What up? Yeah. And Dixie's gone, crack, he's hit him right. Laid him out cold. No one's seen it. Even the game's gone on. Poor Gizzi, got blood everywhere. Eventually the game stopped.

18:04The ref comes over, asked him the linesman, he ain't seen it. No one. And he gives him a yellow card. Gets away with it. Anyway, he drawed a game in the end. But Graham rings me next day, so I loved it when he gave the Gizzi. Oh my God. That's crazy. We'd give him a better go at my half-time, Dixie. You know, what you're doing, do you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Graham loved it and signed him. Took him. Loved it. This episode is sponsored by Huel, official nutrition partner of Overlap Daily. Okay, Tim, one less thing in football. We did it last week. What are we going to get rid of this week? I know that you've been thinking about this a lot, long and hard.

18:41I have, yeah. There's so much I want to get rid of in this game. So much wrong with a game at the moment. Okay. But something that's really driving me potty. Go on. Holes in socks. Oh, I don't. See? You like that, don't you? I don't like it. I would have done it. Why? I've got big calves. What it does, it constrict. Yeah, I've got big calves. Hey, Jack, Jack. Me and Jack had a calf off a few, a couple of years ago. It was a tight one. He might have just pipped me. But, yeah. I've got big calves. Honestly, that's why. Jack could pipped me on. But I couldn't, I couldn't. Jack don't. Imagine doing what Jack does in our day.

19:12Pull them down. Oh, well, yeah. So if I put my socks down, playing against you, and you're absolutely steaming into me, He's giving me six studs down my shin. No, we have to wear shin pads. I couldn't kick you. You used to jump so high. No. You know what I would do? And I'll be thinking about this, actually, Tim. This is an idea for someone. What they should do is, the reason why people cut holes in them, when people go, what are they cutting on? They're cutting because it's a restriction around your calf. Because the first thing that gets restricted when you're running around is you get cramp in your calf, right?

19:40Who says this? I know, it's a fact, because you're struck them to me. No, but they don't. These sports scientists, they know they're running the game, you know. I know they are. Anyway, every game at Liverpool, I used to get a new pair of socks because once they get washed, they get so tight. So what someone should do, the panel with the calf, they should create or just do something where, like, you know women's tights, for instance, they're a bit stretchy. No. Yeah, you do. So that panel like that just make it so it's got a bit more restriction, like a women's tight, but a little bit stronger.

20:11So then it expands more. So someone out there wants to do it, create it, and then we can maybe we'll go half half 50-50 or something like that but that's what Adidas Nike sketches someone should create those socks and I'm telling you now they clean up but I'm not getting rid of them I understand why people cut their socks so I don't know about this one Tim I think we're going to disagree to disagree I want it out you want it out? I want it out for sure what are you going to do? so if a player come out with holes in their socks what are you going to do? give them a yellow card straight away it should be straight straight red straight red they have to wear the strap in the same colour as their sock now and all that don't they?

20:44why are they cutting holes in their socks? there's no reason why they do it. I know you said there is. Medical reasons. I've asked the guys. Who you are? There's no... Who, what guy? Loads of... What guy? Loads of medical guys. What's his name? Kevin Didlow. Yeah, all right, OK. He knows everything. He knows everything. But Bellingham, if Bellingham does it, it's all right. It's all right. Does he do it? Yeah, Bellingham does it. He absolutely does it. But no, I'm sorry. I ain't agreeing with you this one, Tim. But next week, we'll have another one. We might agree. But this one, absolutely not.

21:13Can't agree with you. So I understand why people would do it. But someone... Game's gone. Someone go out there and create a little panel on the calf and then just sell the painting to Nike or Adidas, whoever does the kits. You know, when you used to cut your holes in your socks... I didn't cut them in. We weren't allowed. No, but you used to do it. You said you used to cut... No, I used to do new socks. Yeah, new socks. You have to pay for them socks. No, no. Helmet used to give them... I don't know if people know. You know when boys swap their shirts? Yep. They have to pay for a new one. I know.

21:42No, that was at Tottenham. Nowhere else. Is that right? Yeah. Is that right? 100 quid? Yeah. 100 quid? 100 quid, but they're getting the shirt for nothing. I know. So where's the 100 quid going? Yeah. I've got... What's the best shirt you got? I never used to collect them. Did you? Nah. I've got... I've not got one shirt up in my house. No, one of my own even. I haven't even got... No, I don't know. You know the Invincibles? I swapped with Thierry that day when we drew... Was it 2-2? We drew 2-2. I swapped with Thierry Henry that day. I got his shirt. Where? I gave it back to him, to be honest.

22:15Because I thought it was just a nice shirt to have for him. Where did you do it? Not in full view of everyone. It was after the game. Yeah, I'd scored. It was all right. No one cared. But I also got Zidane's shirt. That was a good one. Who needs Tim Sherwood when you've got Zinedine Zidane? Could have got my shirt. If you'd have asked me my shirt, I'd have gone no. Who needs Zinedine Zidane when we've got Tim Sherwood? Poles in socks. We'll agree to disagree, Tim. The verdict's in. Footballers ripping their socks is, I'd say, sort of gone. You guys decide. well that's one less thing in football and with Huel we've got one less thing to think about when it comes to our nutrition.

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25:50Well, I was very proud of you two this week, and I'll tell you why. Because I was watching the Ballon d 'Or, and this is actually genuine. Because when Harry did his speech and he mentioned you two, that was what a moment for you both. I mean, you must have felt so proud. It's a lovely touch that he's done that, also winning the Ballon d 'Or. But to give you two a mention. Yeah, well, Tim had a big part, really, I think, with Harry. I mean, you spent a lot of time with him, didn't you, in days, you know? And Tim came in when I took over at Tottenham. I asked Tim to come in and, you know, work with the young players and work with me as well and work, you know.

26:25And he spent a lot of time. I think you always had a lot of faith in Harry, didn't you? I just think of the mentality. I love that mentality he had, you know, the drive and the determination. Because it weren't all plain sailing for him. He weren't like a Wayne Rooney. You put him in, you know he's going to be a superstar. It was a slow burner. And he topped the long route. He had the loans. But every, like I say, all learning curves. And he'd come out on top in the end. But he left nothing out there on that speech. He's still there. Brilliant news on Monday. Harry Kane, brilliant balance. I mean, but what he did, I went and played on a golf day, Tim, up at Turnbury with Barry Hearn.

26:58Barry got up at the end and did a little thank everybody. He said, lovely to have Harry here today. He said, when I was chairman at Orient, he said, I rung Harry up and I said, Harry, we're bottom of the league late in Orient. You got any players you can let us have at Tottenham? We're skint. We've got no money. He said, you loaned us three players. He said, and we got out of trouble. Got out of the shot. Stayed up. Stayed up. He said, no, we stayed up. He said, at the end of it, I'd have said, yeah. Andros Townsend, yeah, great. He could go back and play for Tottenham one day. Stephen Corker, yeah, he said he could go back and play at the Spurs one day.

27:32Harry Kane, no, he'll never play at the Spurs, not a chance. He said, and that's how I saw it. He said, how wrong can you be? That was how he saw it. He knows a snooker player, though. He knows a dart player. Good job he knows that. So, Tim, you were at the party afterwards as well. How was that? Good. We didn't get an invite, did we? No, I don't like it. Too late for me, Jim. It was late for me, by the way. I ain't recovering. What was it like, Tim? You've got a few photos here of you. It's good, yeah, it's good. How was it? No, it was really good. I mean, it was great to be there. He's got a wonderful family.

28:01Who's there with you, Tim? He's got Tom Carroll there. You know, he went to Oregon as well. Tom, how's Tom? Yeah, great. He ain't changed. Still looks 12th. Yeah. Brian Mason, you see there on the left-hand side. Matt Doherty's there. Yeah, I mean, that's his brother-in-law on the right-hand side. And Mark Anderson, who's a league-o man, you know, the golf guy. Great, great fellas. It was really good. There's one of you. You've got a lovely picture together as well. You two. I don't know if we can see that one as well. Yeah, it's great. Look, Ballon d 'Or winner and the Ballon d 'Or winner. But do you know what was amazing?

28:34What are you doing there? I don't know, mate. What was I thinking? No one serving me. I don't know. What was happening there? I don't even remember that getting taken, Jay, to be honest. Do you know what I was saying? I was actually, Tim, when I went to QPR, I was taken to QPR on loan. And it was all done. Harry, I spoke to Harry. He was keen to come. I spoke to, obviously, Daniel and everybody. and he was coming on loan and then AJ, remember little Andrew Johnson, football player, little centre forward, wasn't he? And AJ had been injured for a long time at QPR, but Palace came in and wanted to buy him.

29:07So great, he's going to go back to Palace where he had a good career earlier and I'm taking Harry on loan. And then about 8 o 'clock that night, suddenly get a phone call, the deal's not going to happen, AJ, we wanted more money apparently, QPR instead of taking the money they was having. Anyway, the deal fell through with Crystal Palace and QPR for AJ. So I had to ring Harry up and couldn't take him. The chairman said no, he's not gone so we can't bring anybody else in. Otherwise I was taking him to QPR alone, which would have been interesting. Who knows where your career goes? Everyone's had these sliding doors moments.

29:45He was really fortunate to get the right pathway in the end. But like I say, a lot of the turnings he took, everyone would think, well, maybe that ain't the right one. But he used it all as a positive and took it on his journey. You look at the people that took him, Tim. Look at them. I know. I mean, he went Leicester, didn't he? He had a... Nigel Pearson, Russell Slade, Kenny Jackett, God rest his soul. He had Chris Euton, Norwich, because that was the loan we tried to get him in the end. So the manager can see him play against the opposition. I remember we did that with Cole Walker. Remember, it was like QPR, he was playing in the champ and everyone's always saying, well, he's in the champ.

30:23Send him to Villa. I spent 45 minutes trying to persuade him to go to Aston Villa. All of a sudden, now he can see him play for Villa and he's saying, oh, hold on a minute. He's good enough, he's ready. That's what you need. And I think with Kane, he was just, pick the right route at the right time. But all of the managers, where he went, none of them thought he'd be a player. None of them said they thought he'd be the answer. Well, 2001, Michael Owen won it. I remember being at Liverpool with him. And if you would have said to me at 15, 16, when he used to come and trade with the first team, he's going to win the Ballon d 'Or, I'd have said, yeah, every chance.

30:57Stephen Gerrard, first time I saw him play, he could win, he's got that capability. But that's the most amazing thing, because probably every other Ballon d 'Or winner, we've all gone, I mean, at six, they must have been great at a young age, but Harry, probably the most unassuming superstar ever, to win it, really, because I'm sure, it's easy for you to sit here now and go, yeah, I could see it, he's always a great finisher. but to be the Ballon d 'Or winner. Can you believe it? No, no, no. No, you couldn't have dreamed of it, really, could you? And as Timmy said, all the clubs that he went to, I mean, they're not mugs, the managers he's had, they're all like well-respected people in the game, but no one actually could come back and go, yeah, I mean, he had loans and did okay and come back and somebody else would take him.

31:39And we'd hardly got off the bench at Leicester, didn't we, I don't think? No, I remember there was a picture there with Drinkwater, Vardy and Kane sitting on the bench. I've seen it, yeah. He hardly got a game. He went to Norwich, to be fair, he picked up an injury there. So he didn't really get a rhythm of games. But it's just a credit for... And he's a team man, 100 % team man. If you said to Harry now, you'd rather win the Champions League, but you have to give that Ballon d 'Or back, he would give it back. You think so? He would give that Ballon d 'Or back to win the Champions League with Bayern Munich.

32:09Everyone would say it, Jay, but they wouldn't mean it. He genuinely would mean it. Did you ask him that question? Yeah, he said, fuck, are you joking? He said, if you say I'll stick to football, are you winding me up? He said, give me that, Ballon d 'Or. No, he wouldn't. I genuinely believe he would. That's why he's loved by his teammates. Yeah, he is. He's learnt how to be a team man from going on them loans and realising you can't take liberties when people have got to win the game to pay their mortgage. So they're getting him up by the scruff of the neck, like we talk about Max Downham. If he goes and has them loans, I don't think he will.

32:43I think Max will probably go to a Premier League. If there's a Premier League loan straight away, which would be fantastic for him because he's that type of player. Harry was a little bit more robust. He had to learn the hard way. He went to Millwall. They were crucifying him, crucifying him. I remember Ian Bruffield. We talked about him earlier. Ian Bruffield was a scout. I remember him coming in and saying, Harry, you've got to get him away from there, mate. I overheard it. I said, what are you talking about, Bruffield? He said, I was just telling Harry I was at the game last night. I said, I was there last night.

33:09I said, it's brilliant for him. I said he can handle that pressure. Don't worry about what they're saying about him. He ended up staying there, scoring a few goals. He was a young player of the season for them. But they didn't like him because they wanted to develop their own. Why would he develop the top? Did Brummie kiss his teeth at you? Brummie knew better. Brummie knew better. The Prince.

33:33Sky Vegas and Primetime, Tim, it's about gangsters. Do you ever consider yourself a gangster? Yeah, all day. Really? Yeah. Who would you have been? Al Pacino. Right. Scarface. Yeah. Like that. You've got a bit Joe Pesky about you as well. Have I? Yeah, a little bit. A weasel. Yeah, not a weasel. You might be a bit too big to play him. Vinnie Jones, he was a good gangster. Yeah, love Vinnie. He's not even acting though, Vinnie, is he? No, he's playing himself, isn't he? Because the reason why I asked him is everyone's talking about Mob Lad and The Gentleman Season 2. Recently dropped on Netflix.

34:01You watched either? Yeah, or both. Brilliant, isn't he? How can you not? Guy Ritchie. Anything Guy Ritchie, I'm all over it. Yeah, he's amazing. He is fantastic.

34:11or crime drama? Crime drama. Family feuds or criminal scheming? Family feuds. Okay. Part of a cast with Tom Hardy, Piers Brosnan, Helen Mirren or Theo James, that's the boy, Theo James. Good looking boy, isn't he? He's cool. He is cool. Kaya Scodelario and Ray Winston. Love Ray Winston, don't you? I've got to have Ray. Ray, yeah. Remember him in, what was the film when he was in Borstal? What about the one when he gets a... Scum. That was filmed in my school. Stop it. Yeah. Where's your tool? What tool? This fucking tool. So that means, Tim, you are a gentleman. I always knew you were a gentleman and a scholar.

34:49Not a mobland. Not a mobland. No, you're a gentleman. Let myself right down. No, you're a gentleman, Tim. I like gentlemen. That's really good. Good, yeah. Great. If you haven't seen it, give it a watch. Get on it. Thank you very much for that, Sky Vegas. We'll be back next week with more primetime entertainment.

35:07Boys, after all the speculation yesterday, news came out from Manchester United. that Michael Carrick is set to stay in charge for the trip to Chelsea. Joining us now to discuss that is the host of United Stand and Stick to United, Mark Goldbridge. Mark, I'm sure you were delighted when you heard that news. I've been listening to you lately that Michael Carrick's staying. No, I'm not delighted at all. I mean, I've got huge respect for Michael Carrick as a player for Manchester United. But it's funny because the standards banner was in the Stretford end. And I think United standards are in the sewer at the moment.

35:38and as sad as it is for a manager to be sacked, I'm stunned. He's not still in a job because of his coaching acumen. He's still in a job because we've got absolute clowns running the circus at United. I think everybody expected him to be sacked. I think he expected himself to be sacked. I mean, he's tears in his eyes. He's clapping the Stretford end. They're appreciating him as a legend of the club. But I think I'm absolutely stunned, really. Yeah, Dad, what did you think? No, I thought it looked like he was gone, didn't it, really, after the weekend. It was a must-win game. And I mean, it was a pitiful performance against Bournemouth.

36:14Bournemouth are a good team. I watch them every week. But definitely the worst Man United team I've seen in many, many years. It's just sad to watch them at the moment. And yeah, for sure, I thought that would be the end of Michael. But the thing is, it's like sacking it. They keep bringing people in who ain't capable of doing the job. They've done well elsewhere. but whoever comes in, not saying they're not capable of doing the job, they haven't got the tools to work with. The team is, they've got an average bunch of players at best. And whoever comes in, are they going to make any difference?

36:48I don't think so. You can bring who you want in tomorrow. Eddie could come in, Eddie, how is he going to suddenly turn it all around? They need half a new team, for sure. Who would you go for? Obviously, Michael's going to take the job, maybe stay of execution, whatever way you look at it. If you were to choose the next Manchester United manager, who would you want? within reason. I mean, obviously, I'd want Pep Guardiola or Jurgen Klopp or somebody like that. But I think what's available... I mean, look, Harry makes a great point. I was talking about this on our show this morning on the United stand.

37:18If you think about United, every manager has failed. You think about even recent signings, but it's been going on for 10 years. Name me a player that's been signed by United that's done well. And you look at, like, Cunha, brilliant at Wolves. Mbermo, brilliant at Brentford. Sesko was scoring goals for fun at Leipzig. and I know it's a step up for Man United but it's a graveyard as well. There's something toxic in that football club that just destroys anything good there. I think it's extreme, isn't it? I mean, I can't believe United would turn their nose up at Conte because beggars can't be choosers and we're not running, we're not disciplined and why build something long-term?

37:56I mean, God, I mean, we're nine points off Brighton. We need to be in the Champions League. We need that money but from a footballing fan point of view, I want to see United in the Champions League So I think I would just go Conte and just try and get results. I mean, there are purists out there that want us to play a certain way and build something. But we haven't done that for 13 years. I think United need to... We're one point off relegation. I mean, that's a conversation, isn't it, as well? It's all right being fantasy about playing good football and this, that and the other. I mean, we need to survive first.

38:29So Michael stays, Dad. Bruno. No. Obviously, everyone's talking about it. Yeah. First, I'll ask you two questions. One, would you have dropped him the weekend? And two, would you bring him back for the Chelsea game? If I was in Michael's position, listen, if I was here and I'm Alex Ferguson and I've got a fantastic team around me, I wouldn't have played him. No, I'd have bummed him out for sure because you can afford to. But with his team and Michael's situation, he was in a must-win situation. As much as I dislike what he did and everything else, Bruno, I'd have played him. I have to win Saturday.

39:04I don't like him, but I'd pull him in. I'd say, listen, you took the right liberty. Now, we've got to get a result here. You've got to, you know, fans are not happy as well with what you've done. We're not happy, but let's just get on with it. Let's get a result for the sake of the football. I'd have played him. And what was he? He's not played him. They've got beat. And suddenly, really, he looked like he was gone. And he survived somehow, hasn't he? But no, I'm afraid as much as I wouldn't have liked to, I'd have done what needs must, basically. I'd have stuck him in and tried to win the game, give myself time because, you know, thinking if we lose, I'll probably be gone tomorrow.

39:38So who gives a monkey? I'm bringing him back Saturday. Are you bringing him back Saturday? I am bringing him back. It depends what they've told me as Michael Carrick. I think Michael Carrick believed it was his last game. He looked like he believed it was his last game. I think the whole of Old Trafford felt it was his last game. I think they were giving him that ovation. As a send-off, like Mark was saying, you know, you deserve it, you've been a legend as a player, and as soon as he went down the tunnel, as soon as he went down the tunnel, they booed the players. Quite right. I thought it was a bit of class from the United fans, but they didn't expect to see Michael Carrick on that touchline again, and they are going to see him again.

40:17I wouldn't cut my nose off to spite my face, but I think when he picks that team, genuinely, he believes it's his last game. But you're going back to him again, Tim, now Saturday, isn't he? You have to now, mate, yeah. Yeah. You have to wait. But I would have done it last Saturday because I would have thought, this is my last game. Yeah. I need to win. If I don't win, I've gone anyway. Sorry, I'll pick him. You know, he's got to win a game. Michael can't afford to lose. Yeah. At the end of the day, I don't care who I play. I'll play if you're going to help me win the game Saturday, keep me in a job.

40:43Yeah. I'm going to have to play. I don't like doing it, but I'm going to have to do it. I've got to win. Mark, do you believe when Bruno's sitting on the bench there, United fans, what are they thinking? What did you think? Do you think he actually wants the team to win when he's sitting there? Or do you think he wants them, someone who's in his position to have the worst game he's ever seen and for the team to get pumped? What is your belief and what do the fans think Bruno's mentality was? I've got an interesting take on this and you as ex-players will need to answer it. But first, as a fan, I would say I was sort of looking at the clock and it was very obvious that Bournemouth deserved to win that game.

41:22They should have been 2-0 up before they even scored. So I'm looking at the clock and I'm going, when does he bring him on then? Because you've made the statement by dropping him. So when are you going to bring him on and try and win this game? Because we're better with Bruno. So I was like, I couldn't believe it when it hit 60 minutes and they went 3-0 up and I'm like, well, that's it. It's gone now. You may as well keep him on the bench. so obviously he was always going to keep him on the bench which is strange and I think what Harry's saying is really interesting because surely that's something that you level at Michael Carrick because man management something that Harry's done, Sir Alex Ferguson that's part of management like you can't just sack Bruno because the press and the fans are saying doing it that's the easy choice the hardest thing is to pull him in a room have a chat with him and say look, I need you how do we work this out so you know, it's an interesting take and I've not heard that all week and I think that's what management is, isn't it?

42:14Sir Alex Ferguson could have booted Cantona out of the club for the kick but realised he needed him and stuck by him and turned up at the court and everything and went, I need this player. As for Bruno, I'll throw it back to you because I never played at the level you did but I remember 15, our school team was good and I had work experience and I rang the PE teacher up and I said, look, I can come after work experience and play the Thursday night game and he said, no, no, it's all right. It's not an important game. You'll play on the Saturday. they won 6-0 and he put me on the bench. And throughout that whole game, I was hoping the left-back was going to get torn apart so I could come on.

42:47Is there a way back for Bruno with the fans? Because it felt... There was obviously a lot of booing going on towards the team, but I'm sure a lot of them were angry of him as well and what he's done and what he's said. Is there a way back for him with the fans now? Well, it's a weird situation now because I would always want Man United to win, but some fans are even wanting us to lose against Chelsea, which I just can't get my head around. but realistically what I don't understand from the club and Carrick to a certain extent is it's bought them time because everyone's booing the players I don't know how intelligent United players are but if I was a player I'd be like all right okay look we deserve blame for performances but we didn't sign players we don't set the fitness we don't set the tactics and we're getting all the blame now and actually we were expected to go and win on Saturday to protect the board and and save Michael so I don't know I would imagine it's an absolute bloody mess in there because you know players are egotistical yeah they're getting all the blame for it oh and and it's now our job to save Jason Wilcox and save Michael Carrick who's basically thrown us all under the bus I mean they are responsible but to me it just looks a big mess it's hard to see how it works yeah and I thought Saturday I thought Saturday Jamie after the Como performance you've they'll come back home, hey, they've got to perform today, haven't you?

44:04You know, even we've been disgraceful, that performance away from home. Now we've got a chance with Bournemouth on Saturday. We've got to come out, have a right go, lads. You know, come on, this is so important, everybody. But they came and it was pitiful. But this is where, like all of us, we all love Michael Carrick, but I also think he has to take responsibility. I go through his team, he's playing a centre-back, right-back. He's playing a right-back, left-back. He's playing two centre-backs that don't look really like a pair to me. He's playing Mason Mount left wing or tucking in. It's a team that gets outrun every single game.

44:39Now, if you're a good side, you don't have to run. But if you're an average side, you better run and win to win games. Now, I think, Michael, every time I've looked at the games, they're getting outrun by six or seven kilometres. That's a non-negotiable. They're getting that so wrong. So I think when I look at the team and how fit they are, you can't win Premier League games if you're not fit enough. So I think Michael must look at that and go, we've got that wrong. There's maybe too many days off or players ain't working hard enough. But there's too many non-runners in that team. It doesn't help.

45:09But how can you be not fit, James? Because every game they don't. So whose fault is that? Maybe they're not athletes. Listen, we've all seen great players who don't run about, but they're still great players. I mean, no one's saying every game, Dad. But the team, yeah, they're just short of legs, aren't they? Basically, they can't get around a football pitch. The other thing, Mark, is I remember having a discussion with Gary Neville a few years ago. It was the Brentford game when I think he lost 4-0. And Gary and I had quite a heated discussion. He was talking about the Glazers from their point of view.

45:38And I was like, well, personally, I blame the players. But what it feels like to me with the Glazers, it's almost like genius what they've done. Because they've now got all the assets and they've taken no accountability because they've just left everything to Ineos, to me, who look like really bad football owners. I've gone through it today. Nice is one club they own. They're 10th in the French League. Lusanne, a bottom of the Swiss League. They are not great owners. And you should be best in class. How have you got to this point where you've outsourced it to somebody else and still it looks terrible from the outset?

46:14Look, Sir Jim Radcliffe clearly is an intelligent guy in something because from what I know, he was from a council estate and now he's a multi-billionaire from Petrochemicals. So, you know, respect to that. But in relation to football, you're right. There's no footprint there at all. And there was this opportunity a couple of years ago where the Glazers put the club up for sale. And so Jim Radcliffe basically said, give me 27 % and you can stay. And some of us said at the time that is, you know, he's an enemy of the football club if he's going to keep the Glazers here because of what they've done to the club.

46:46But he professed that he was a lifelong Man United fan, a local fan. And then he's come in, he's sacked half the workforce. He's knocking Old Trafford down. The club's got worse. And I think the veil has fallen away now of being British, Manchester, lifelong fan. He's not a lifelong fan. No Man United fan would do that to their own club. So he's a bad owner. You're right, Jamie. He's a bad owner. The Glazers are bad owners. And there's a lot in the press at the moment about what Man City have done. But I wish the Premier League would look at what they've done to Manchester United because we're a billion pounds in debt.

47:22Old Trafford's going to get knocked down. The team's the worst it's been in my lifetime. And you can't see a way back because the clowns are running the circus. If you just could put somebody in charge of that football club that cared about it, I think Man United would change very, very quickly. And I think it's sometimes difficult for people who don't support Man United to see just how bad the problem is because, yeah, the players need to change. Maybe the manager needs to change. Maybe the director of football needs to change. But who changes all of that? It's the guy at the top. And that's the problem at Man United.

47:54But we can't change them. We've had protests. We can't do it. But that's what needs to change. So last question. Does Michael Carrick turn it around? Yes or no? Mark, you go first. I've never seen anybody in football turn it around from this situation. so it would be a first. I think when you've... It's always nice to think it can get turned around but we've all watched football. You've all been in football. I can't think of an example of anybody turning it around. And on top of that, he hasn't got the environment, the players or experience. So for me, it's inevitable. It might take six months.

48:33It might take a year. It might take Chelsea. But at some point, it's over, yeah. Dad, yes or no? One word. No, he can't turn it around. No one could turn that round at the moment. Whoever goes in as manager, they're not going to suddenly turn it round. But I do agree, if he goes, Conte, someone who might just sort the players out a bit, although he's been around a bit at the top of my head. Was he? I don't know. I wasn't there with him, but he just throws hand grenades everywhere, and he's 18 months at any job. Michael, yes or no, Tim? Carnage. What is turning it around? What's that look like?

49:06Yeah, no, you're right. Well, there is some breaking news, Mark. I don't know if you've seen this yet, but Man Utd head coach Michael Carrick and Bruno have met face-to-face to clear the air, with both men vowing to refocus their efforts on turning Manchester United's season around. That feels like a positive. What do you think, Mark? I mean, I've got to be honest, it just feels like PR. I mean, what else is going to happen between the captain and the manager ahead of the Chelsea game? They've met and they've had a chat and they've said they want to win. I mean, it's, yeah. I mean, I think that's what it is.

49:34They should have done that before Saturday, Mark. You know, surely you should have done that before last Saturday. But that's when it comes to man management. I've had him in on Friday. We've sorted it out, man to man. I've let him know what I think about it. And he's playing Saturday and he wants to give everything for this football club. I think Michael's got so involved. I'm going to show him when I'm tough. I'm going to leave him out. It wasn't the right time. And I think I totally agree with what you said there. Mark, thank you so much for your time. You're going to come down to see us soon and join Tim and I, please.

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52:27that breaking news obviously great to speak to mark about it from a man united perspective how do you i mean i know dad your your view you've just said it you you'd have you'd have I thought it was Friday. Why didn't you do it last week, after the Como game? Pulling in Friday morning. Not happy with you, what you said, Bruno. There's only one way to put it right now. Go and give us a performance on Sunday against Bournemouth. It's a game we've got to win. You know? H, I think he thought he weren't going to be there. No. I think Michael thinks that was his last game. And I think the crowd said that with the ovation, what they give him.

52:58Now he's back in it. Yeah, but if he had a one, though, he still would have got... Yeah, you can't be a Man United manager going from game to game, Jay. One game, one result. If he wins against Chelsea, what, we're all going to forget about everything. You were quite right what you were saying, Jay. I 100 % agree with you. If you ask the Bournemouth, let's take the Bournemouth one in isolation. If you offered the Bournemouth manager the Bournemouth job, and then just before they kicked off the season, they said, no, what are we going to do? We're going to swap Man United's squad for yours. Do you want it or not?

53:25He said, yes, please. Yes, please. And some of them Bournemouth players have done brilliantly, but they ain't Man United players. and the Man United players like Man United players but they're still better than them. So I think he ain't getting the best out of them. So why is that so what's the reason then? Badly coached bad mentality? We ain't getting the best out of them. No. And well mentality ain't great is it? You've got Neil Fella and Martinez you've got Bruno They look terrified to play they are terrified to wear that shirt you can see it they don't want to receive the ball Telemans at Aston Villa last year received it on the half turn playing at the right I look at him he's like he's scared but he's playing within a structure with Unai Emery there's a structure so there's a game plan.

54:01It looks like Michael's thrown him on the pitch and said, wherever you land, just play. And hopefully Bruno then, I mean, he left him out the weekend, Bruno might be the difference, mate. They've been like that for three or four years. Bruno's the one who's pulled him through it. I don't like his mentality. I like his ability. You're right. I don't like him as a boy. No. He won football a year last year, didn't he? Yeah. Absolutely. You know, he hasn't exactly done bad for him, has he? You get to this November, I believe, they're looking for a short-term replacement or a long term, whatever they're looking for.

54:31For me, it would be Unai Emery, a six-year deal, fixed term, so if they sack him, they've got to pay him up. Is that who you go for? Because then he would build. He could build something. Someone's got to build something. He used to build his sack, and then along the way, when he builds, he's a little bit like Fergie used to do, but he obviously had the pick of the best players, but they used to win along the way. Unai Emery's doing that. I think he's the most elite manager in the Premier League at the moment, and I think Man United should try and get him. He ain't going to leave Villa though.

54:53Why would he leave Villa to go out of that basket case? Because you would. Because it's one of the biggest clubs in the world. I think you would, Tim, yeah. Because Man United are just... Man United. Yeah, I mean, he's out of cell plaza at Villa. OK, but Villa, you know, it's a great club, but it's a top six club. You know, Man United is a club that is not top six at the moment, but you always get that... Could I take them back to the greatness they've had, you know? It's got something about it, Old Trafford, hasn't it? 100%. We remember that. We remember that. There's a new stadium coming. But again, it goes back to...

55:25He's running the shop there, MJ. At Villa, he's doing everything. I totally... Yeah, and by the way, they reckon he's got 10, 11 staff. They'd all have to come. But you've got to buy into Unai Emery. You've got to say... He'd run the show if he went in there. Because the people that are running the show at the moment, like Mark says, they are inept. They're not doing the job right. They're not getting in the right players. The recruitment is poor. They don't use data. How can you not use data in this day and age? Of course, you have to have a bit of a mix, but it just seems to me they're getting so many things wrong.

55:53I can't remember that, but did you ever have that dreaded vote of confidence in your career? No, I can't remember it, no. Not that I can think of. No, I can't. No, just wait, because you've got West Ham. No, I was just about to sign a four-year contract at West Ham. I left it and let it run and run. And then I said something nasty about the chairman in a fan zone. I was talking to a fan zone. I was sitting and talking to you in the pub or something, having a chat, slagging the chairman off and he wrote it word for word in the fan zone. Fanzine, whatever it was. And he read it and that was me gone.

56:27That's never a good move, is it? No, it wasn't clever. And what about Tottenham? Tottenham, no, I didn't expect to lose. No, we finished fourth and I was just driving down to meet Daniel. I thought we could talk about it the following season what the plans are. And what about players? You've had a player you've filled out with, like what's happened with Bruno? Yeah, of course you've had players. I had players that want to leave, James, and you don't want them to leave. Yeah, of course you always have players that you fall out with when you're not picking them. Everybody hates you to them. Like who?

56:57Yeah, I had a player once who was a top player. I mean, he wanted to move to a big club and we didn't want to sell him, but he wanted to go. He just said to me, if you don't sell me, on Saturday, I kicked the ball in my own goal. What? Yeah, I swear, yeah. Who? Who was it? I'm not telling you who it was. Come on, dad. No one's listening. It's only us free. No, I can't tell you. Just turn the cameras off, guys. Just quickly. Dad, who are they? No, I can't tell you. All right, let's have a... West Ham. West Ham. West Ham. West Ham. I can't tell you it was. What country? No, I'm not telling you. No, I'm not giving you no clue.

57:31That accent there, a little bit... It sounded a bit French, maybe. No, no, I'm not telling you. No, not Parlo Ducaneo. No, he loved it. That's him out. He was great. Let's go through. Yeah, come on. I can't tell you, no, but I just said to him... Why can't you tell us? You're going to kick it in your own goal. I said, I'll tell you what. I tell all these supporters, they all come round your house. You'd better get out of the country. That was... So anyway... That accent, they're giving it away there, isn't it? He didn't kick it in his own goal. No, no, I can't tell you. Out of the country, he's not English.

58:00Yeah, he's definitely not English. Is he still involved in football? I'm not telling anymore. One more quick, answer that one. I'm not blasting him up. No. Come on. Is he still involved in football? No. You're not a grass, you're a whistleblower. No, no, I can't. We'll leave that. I'll tell you what we'll do. Let's open it up to the fans. Who was it? Who was the mystery player? Who is the weasel that will kick the ball in his own goal? I will kick it in my own goal if you don't sell me. I'll tell you what. Brilliant. No, I think I've got to. No, no. The accent, give it away a little bit there.

58:28No, no more, please. All right, no more. Welsh, won't it? Yeah. Welshman. Let's talk about another manager that's been given time. I know you've managed Tottenham. Obviously, Tim, you've played for Tottenham and managed them as well. Roberto De Zerbe, has he turned it around? Oh, he's not been given time. He was always going to be there, wasn't he? Never going to get rid of him. I mean, he's... Oh, he will turn it... Yeah, the players have got there. They've spent a fortune, brought good players in. He's got a squad there that I keep saying will finish in the top six, and I still think they will.

58:56I think they'll go on a run. But as we were saying earlier, I mean, with that money, you're told to be up there finishing top six, Tim, innit? I think it's a club that's unrecognisable from the old... I know it's the same regime, but different management there at the moment. I mean, to give someone... I've never seen a manager get that much money that early in the transfer window, and then he identifies the players what he wants out of the club, and they let them go. And they give them away. Jed Spence, really. Give away. Give away. Give away. He just wanted them out, because he wanted a dressing room, which he felt was the best to win football matches.

59:27Now, they've spent nearly£400 million, not to finish 10th, surely. And that's where they're looking at the moment. it's a massive upturn I think the result Old Trafford that performance you know getting that last minute one and they've picked up a few results since Chelsea no one wins at Chelsea no Tottenham manager goes to Chelsea and wins the graveyard that is a massive shot in the arm for them I think that's the boost what's going to take them forward it's been a good week for Tottenham with Arsenal getting beat last night so everything's on the positive I think they'll beat Palace the games are coming look at their games they've got some good games but Arsenal are at home in about four weeks time they've got some real winnable games you'd like to think they'll beat Palace the weekend as well.

1:00:05Oh yeah, I think Palace are the team. If you ask me, I mean going away from Spurs, but Palace are the team. You know, the three that came up are obviously favourite to go down. Yeah. But if anyone else is going to get sucked in, Palace would be your favourite. You did that at the start of the season. Hey, you'd love to have had that 400 mil at the beginning of the window with the players that you had there as well to add to them. What a team you could have built, you know? Yeah. Who do you like in this Tottenham team at the moment? Fernandes had a big game against Chelsea. It felt like a bit of a moment for him with the fans as well.

1:00:34Tonali, Fernandes, that's the new signings? Yeah, I just think they've improved all round really, haven't they, Jamie? Every position. I like the boy Gray. He's one of them and he's just been incredible really what he's done since he's been there. He's played right back, left back. Right back, centre half. We've made him captain this year at one time. you know but no I think the whole squad really is a very strong squad where do you think they finish I think they finish top six yeah I think they finish eighth I said that I ain't changing my mind I think Man United will finish ninth that's what I've said all along would Michael take ninth no Michael won't be there Michael won't be there he'll be gone in November and I think he'll be relieved to be gone possibly yeah do you think that's the case he'll be relieved to go well Jane When you're going to bed every night, not sleeping, you know, and you're waking up and you're getting...

1:01:33Every time you put the radio on, someone's talking about you, giving you grief. It ain't fun. I don't care who you are, how thick-skinned you are, you know. Is it worse now? Because when you as a manager, like, you would come home, I'm sure, you put on Radio Friday, maybe like a... No, I wouldn't put it on. You wouldn't put it on. No. But even if you... OK, if you did... I wouldn't read the newspaper. There would be newspapers and that. But now, everyone's got podcasts. Everyone's talking about it. It's daily. There's no escaping from Michael. There's no escaping. But no, when I was a manager, I wouldn't listen to him phone-ins.

1:02:03Me too. David Mello used to, you know, someone worked there and said he only takes calls when people are slagging you. He didn't like me. And so, yeah, that was how it was. I just didn't listen to the programmes, phone-ins and all that, you know. Hard not to, though, Tim, wouldn't it? Not read the papers. Hard not to. This job kills you, I'm telling you. There's a lot worse jobs out there. Of course it does. And a lot more pressurised jobs than people in the eye. You get well paid to do the job, but it kills you. It does. Because I agree with you too. You live 24-7. You wake up in the middle of the night and you're thinking about footballers.

1:02:32Constantly. You're thinking about a player in your team. I mean, it's better than your wife doing it. But what I'm saying is, it takes your whole life over. You cannot... No. My wife didn't... She watched me play and manage eight times in 32 years. So she's got no interest in football. But she didn't have to know football. She knew when I walked in the door whether team won or lost. Yeah. You know, because it's horrible. It consumes you. It consumes you. You know, it's horrible. My missus never been a football, don't go to football, whatever, but the same. You drive, I'll be honest, weekends, it was like, I know it sounds extreme, but it was like there'd been a death somewhere in the family.

1:03:06I'd be so low, I just couldn't pull myself out of it. That is the, people often say to you, why didn't you manage? He's the reason. Subconsciously, I used to watch him come home after a game. Mum would say, look, I'm eight, nine years of age, don't say anything silly. Don't say anything silly. My brother would always like, hello. Mark will put his foot in it every time. Oh, you were rubbish today or something. Yeah, yeah. No, I just like, why do I want to get that high and that low? And the flip side, when they won, it was like party poppers and everything. Because how you've done over a thousand games is just mind-blowing to me.

1:03:48Dad, brilliant today. But a couple of questions I'd like to finish on. So, players, the best players you never signed? Best players I never signed? What do you mean, tried to sign? Tried to sign, didn't get. Well, I mean, I missed, you know, I missed Ian Wright when Cole Richards told me his mate wanted a trial. What was that one? When I was in Bournemouth. Yeah, I signed Cole Richards for£10 ,000 from Enfield. Came in pre-season, he was so bad, I'd never seen anything like it. And then he came up to me and said, come on, mate, have a trial, Harry. Come bowling up. You remember Cole? Great lad, love him.

1:04:23Come bowling over to me. And he'd been so bad. That was his first pre-season. I said, oh, yeah. What position does he play, Cole? He said, strike the same as me. I said, is he as good as you, Cole? He went, no, he ain't as good as me. I said, in that case, tell him not to bother. Anyway, two weeks later, we played Crystal Palace away in a pre-season game. And he'd come bowling over and he said, my mate's playing today. He's been on trial at Palace. The one you wouldn't give a trial to. I said, obviously, we're going to have to worry about him then, Cole, will we? If he's not as good as you. Anyway, I said, after he scored his third goal, I realised Ian Wright was better than him.

1:04:53Yeah, just the point. Yeah, no. I think Cole would just score against May 9 in the FA Cup. He'd done great for me. He ended up being fantastic for me. Cole loved it, mate. He was great. We won the lead that year in the old third division. When I signed him, he came in, played up front with Trevor Aylock, David Puckett. They were fantastic. Eden Hazard. Well, I met Eden Hazard and Joe Cole rung me. He was at Little Joe and he said, I'm playing with the best player I've ever played with. and I went over and met him in a hotel, went to watch him, went back again the week after. I met him in a hotel room with his agent and he wanted to come but then at the time Daniel and that, they didn't want to spend the money on him.

1:05:30I think he was about 18 million. He wasn't cheap but he was a great young player. Anyone else? Was it something to do with Champions League qualification? I think it was as well, yeah. They didn't want to come. What about any other player? Anyone else? There's one I can think of. He's coming back from Inter Milan. and he was going to come to you. I don't think you've ever said it before. Oh, no, no. Well, yeah, I nearly got... I mean, that would have been a mind-blowing signing, really, wouldn't it? When you look back on it, you know, Patrick Vieira. What? To take to Tottenham. To Tottenham? Yeah.

1:06:03I met Patrick at his house, went to his house and... Arsenal fans, don't. He's got no one for him. Arsenal fans. So what happened, tell us? Well, he wanted to come. He was keen. He'd come from, I think... So at that time, it was 2006, was it? No. No, a bit later. No, later. 2009, 2010, I think. 2009, 2010. I think he was coming from Inter Milan. Yeah. And then he wanted to come back to England. But did he go to Inter Milan instead? No, I think he went to Man City. I can't remember where he went, but it looked like he was going to come. I said to him, Patrick, you know, do you realise that, you know, obviously you realise, I mean, but what bottle he had to even, he was a legend at Arsenal and he's willing to go to Tottenham, you know, but you know, he was up for it.

1:06:43he was up for it and then he got a better offer or whatever to go but no he wouldn't what did you have him on the phone actually no when I met him did you went to his house sat in his house had a cup of tea of him what was it like two or three hours yeah yeah could you imagine that now I wonder what that would have been incredible to see him in a Tottenham show that's something you could never afford to see because he spoke about nearly going to May United but he's never mentioned nearly going to Tottenham no no no he was keen he was keen he had some bottled in He'd been a great player at Arsenal, but he was willing to come and play at Tottenham.

1:07:16Yeah, he wanted to. Otherwise, he wouldn't have met me that day. He was up for it. Wow. Patrick Piazza. I mean, Pat Jennings played for Arsenal and Tottenham, didn't he? But that would have just said differently. I mean, Sol hurt. Sol was a different one, wasn't it? That's like a little bit. That would have been a bit of revenge, though, for Sol. We'll take your best midfield player. Yeah. I could just hear a sigh. Over there, he's a big Arsenal fan. He's not happy with that story. Sorry, Luke. What's the biggest bust-up you've had in football, Dad? Is there anyone? I know you mentioned when you was at West Ham falling out with a chairman, but anything that sticks to mind?

1:07:55I can't. Off-hand. There's always arguments, isn't there, Jane? When you leave people out, they all hate you. There's no one. They go on, they hate you, their wives hate you, the kids hate you. You pick the team on Saturday, those ain't playing all the sight of you. It ain't fun, is it, really? Sorry about that, I apologise for that. He nearly fell out of me once, a few times, but we was at the San Siro. Oh, yeah. We were 4-0 down. Half time. He's got sent off. Champions League. 4-0 down at the San Siro. We come into the office, he looks at me, he's a blood pressure, he's redder than that. he's going like his eyes are red and everything and he goes what do you think so I said get Bauer off take him off he goes what he said we need him for Saturday I said mate rest him mate we need him we got a chance it was 15 years ago Jay October last week October 21st I would have said six years is that long was it it was yeah oh my god where the years gone he goes what I said get Gareth off we need him for Saturday I've still got a chance Champions League through the league position you fucking mad you trying to get me the sack I was like mate the game's finished done anyway what happened he goes back he scores a hat trick in the second half the other five minutes we end up winning they were gone they were on a road that changed Gareth's life Mike On's life taxis for Mike On but that on that note today that's the art of management mad management absolutely you know the lesson that day that's why I'm sitting here that's why you're the bellendor even that like my old chairman said to me when I first got a job at Bournemouth he said it's better to be lucky than good.

1:09:38I don't know what he was trying to tell me, but, so yeah. Better to be a lucky general. Lucky general, yeah. Right, well done guys. Thanks very much, Dad. Great to have you on, Tim. Brilliant. And also to Mark Goldbridge. I hope everybody enjoyed it. Thank you.

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