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4:06Catch you there son. Who done this painting? There's no players on it. Let's see that Do you not like it? How do you like it? What's the formation? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 There's only 6 players Roy Keane's book He's young there Roy Isn't he? Aye You're a player with McNaughton Forest Yeah 2 years Fantastic What a player I remember when Roy Well when he broke Through to Forest Yeah And then he was He went through To Man United Because I was making My big moves then Roundabout then So Roy was making His move from Forest To Man United And I was making My move from Dun United to Rangers at the time that was the British transfer record and I think Roy went for about 3.25 million 3.25 million quid yeah yeah yeah no great 3.25 for us to Man United yeah and half maybe I think it was I don't know oh yeah he's great I love him what's the book like?

4:58I bet it's no back I bet it'll no be back I'm fucking better than my book lad I'm gonna I'm gonna read I'm gonna read your book I bet do you hear I love reading he's done a lot more winning than what I've done I might read your book you know I've never read a book in my life haven't you? I have never read a book in my life I've not even read main I've not even read main book that's the truth to that I've not picked it up because I hate looking at things that I've done before even interviews see things like this I'll not look back on this I will not look back on this at all shame with the book do you know what I mean I've never read through that book just move on next day yeah move on it's a bit embarrassing isn't it when you see yourself to be fair I didn't even know you'd wrote a book sorry Paul we'll do it I'll take that I'll take that I'll take that I'll take that I'll take that and read that and you'd be at Forest wouldn't you probably Forest that was your main one wasn't it yeah 12 years wow yeah 6 years with a main fantastic and you're 12 years as a main goalie yeah so 396 games in total league and cup brilliant fantastic and who did you take over from Shelton no no Steve Sutton the guy's name Steve Sutton he'd had quite a long career in goal he went to Derby County and then I took over from him Shelton was your best goalie wasn't he?

6:09He was the best Forrest Shelton Yeah he was the main man When did he leave there? Well before you then I want to say He went to Derby Did he go to Derby or did he come to Derby? He went to Derby Shelton Yeah But I think he was the best He was at top Couldn't you save a penalty about what I remember No I could I was running out for saving penalties Were you? Yeah Not in Forrest for a great club back then Actually we used to watch them a wee bit because it was the 70s 78, 79 or the European Champions League was it? 78, 79 or 79, 80 they won two in a row didn't they? That's right so his record was back in the day he won what was now the Championship so back then was the second division so he got promoted from there with Forrest Cloughy did then the year after he won the first division which is now the Premier League the year after that he won the first European Cup and then the year after that he won the second Yeah, he's done it back to back, didn't he?

7:05Incredible. Would that happen today? Would that ever happen? I don't know. No. Maybe PSG, I don't know. He's on for a third. He's on for a third, don't he? I think Zidane did it, didn't he? Zidane won about two or three at Rio Madrid, didn't he? Three in a row. Zidane, Champions League, I think. Yeah. No, great club.

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7:59Well we've been Spoilt haven't we Last night How many goals By the way In the whole thing I couldn't count that much But there was a lot of goals Wasn't there But it just shows you how good the attackers are aren't they you watched Man City PSG last night my god the front players are incredible aren't they I mean the whole team are incredible I mean the first 30-40 minutes of the Man City game that PSG were just incredible weren't they yeah I think it was probably the most indisciplined game I've ever seen for a while it's great entertainment goals I think it's because PSG are pushing so high up the pitch to begin with and they went man for man and they squeezed right in there didn't they really and Man City were trying to build out to get out and they couldn't quite get out but actually their first goal came from Man City and then trying to press and how good were they technically to get out so when you're pressing teams like that you've got to be spot on but even then even if you are spot on they can still get out because they're so good technically I mean Dembele was sitting I think on the edge of his 18 yard box when the move started and I remember back in the day when they used to coach centre forwards why are you coming so deep why are you going to play in the last line but yeah centre forward coming deep false nines all came in my Barcelona didn't they back in the day and knew all of a sudden I think Dembele was a winger and knew he's playing centre forward but he's dropping in deep to start the build up you know what I mean so good that first goal that first goal was incredible I mean the technical ability and the way they moved the ball and the decision making was up there where they are the best in the world and I've been quoted as saying I think Donnarumma's the best goalkeeper in the world I still stand by it but it wasn't his night last night I think he's been in the room for a long time pal hasn't he to me he looks like he's on the slide to me he looks like he's on the slide what do I know about goalkeepers nothing I just know how he sticks by you but other than that other than that I don't know about the goalies but to me he looks like he's on the slide maybe it's because he's been he's been playing for so long it's like like an outfield player let's say for instance a young player comes through at 16, 17 and they're ripping it up they finish the time they're 30 a lot of them they're finished I'm not sure if that's the same but normally goalkeepers going forever to me he doesn't look as good as he was when he was younger yeah I've kind of watched him over the last couple of years and maybe I'm a little bit old school because I know goalkeepers are playing out with their feet all the time these days and you have to be good with the ball at your feet I think 75 % is your feet now 25 % of your hands probably way back in the day it's probably the other way around yeah I've watched him and I'm a massive believer still that your job as a goalkeeper is to keep the ball out of the goal and I believe that he's been the best at making saves over the years doing that so I felt for him a little bit last night because it was the third one the last one it was the second half the last one and the boys hit it for the distance and he's got his hand taken and it's kind of went in the net and they said it was spin but it wasn't a spin was it really just never no he'll be disappointed you know as a goalkeeper when you know you should have done better same as a striker the goalies are the goalies are all crazy they're all daft goalies they're all crazy goalies we are we are a little bit mental haven't we that's one of my rules big man is never to mess with a goalkeeper really you've got the strongest arms ever right that was one of the things I've ever done was mess with a goalkeeper because you're always punching the ball you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah but look I thought that PSG were fantastic yeah for the first half of the game yeah and the press going high yeah they were great and of course in Man City weren't they quite happy because they kept on building through yeah But then they come into the second half, they made the changes, didn't they?

11:40They made a few changes. Could have been, if Arlen takes a chance, will they keep saving it on the line? There were so many chances they created in the second half, particularly. Great entertainment, though. Wonderful game. The best team did win, I think, the Injustice. I think the change that Man City helped them a lot. So that was their first home game? Yeah. Since the controversy? Their charges. So, I don't know, have you got your opinions on the situation? I know a few things about charges, don't I?

12:13So, yeah, I mean, look, I don't know what that ends in it. I've not read the whole bloody thing, but obviously they've been up to any good, haven't they? It looks like, but they're going to go to an appeal. And that's the process. You need an appeal, don't you? We all got to go to an appeal if you think you've been wronged. Yeah. They think they can turn it around an appeal. And who's to say they can't turn it around? Even I've not got their charges, that many charges. I would say they'll struggle to turn around all their charges wouldn't they there must be a strong case against them but they're going to go to appeal we'll have to wait and see what happens but if they get it done they'll have to throw the book at them won't they well two of our old clubs we got like minor points almost cost both teams relegation yeah I think off the top of my head would they give them a 50 point deduction or something would they give them something crazy and they might even stay in the league then because they've only got 100 points they've got 100 points one year in one of the Premier League seasons even if they docked them 50 points they've probably still finished my table so maybe they'll have to dock them 80 points but this is my theory 100 points, I don't know I mean we've all got our own little you know opinions about it cheat is a very very strong word and I don't understand it enough to really comment too much about what's happened up above but what I do think is if you've broken the rules you have to be severely punished especially so severe because if it doesn't happen that they're punished severely does it open a can of worms for other clubs to try and bend the rules a little bit they'll need to be punished big man won't they but it's just what that's going to be how does that look I'm seeing 50 points but they'll stay up with 50 points I'm seeing now 200 points they've got to go down haven't they and I think they'd have to get enough points to make sure at least in the lower division you would think and the thing is as well Donk is that they could win the Champions League this year can they can't they they can would that be the qualification for the Champions League next year and I think don't be so naive that those players have seen people talk in dressing rooms don't we we have chats in dressing rooms about what's going on I never spoke to that many people in my address and be fair on you go I understand we have his own opinions about things that are going up above do we really care as players that much so long as we're doing our job on the pitch what we're paid to do now is there a naivety that those players that are there now if they do get punished severely that they're not going to want to leave the process will be already in place you mean they're going so if they go down and they get relegated they'll be they'll be wanting to leave well because they'll be they all want Champions League if they win the Champions League this year that means they'll have to be qualifying for the Champions League next year but they'll be in the they'll be in the first championship is that right?

15:10this is the process what is going to happen I don't know but I'm trying to get across that those players don't be so naive that they won't leave want to leave the club they'll be able to leave maybe it's a breach of contract or something Champions League football they all want it they're elite players aren't they you know yeah no they want it I don't think they'd want to play in the championship either, would they? That's just my little thought. What would I know? I'm a goalie, aren't I? Who am I to call Donnarumma? You've got to be a goalie, haven't you, Paul? I think my wee bit of goalkeeping expertise is I think that actually he's on the slide at 26, which sounds quite incredible, what I see.

15:46Maybe it's a different, maybe he beats the Champions League, I was going to say it's a different pace of game over here. But he doesn't look as good as he did. He's 27 years old, actually. I know that's young for a goalie, because he should just be starting out. but as I say to you going back to it like we maybe maybe like with Wayne or something maybe Wayne or Michael Owen they were great when they were younger they were really great weren't they and I'm not saying that they slid too much maybe a Robbie Fowler but when they go into their mid-twenties or maybe their thirties early thirties they were by their peak a wee bit and maybe that's happened to him but normally a goalkeeper would just be coming into their peak at 30 I would think that's right yeah Yeah, because you've got all the experience.

16:29But no. It was a disappointing night for him last night. It was a great game. And Pep was there, wasn't he? Their manager, no pressure on you, aye? No pressure on your ex-manager there, who's just won the Champions League and all that, and he's sitting in the stands, you know what I mean, or won the Champions League a couple of years before that, and he's sitting in the stands, you know what I mean, against PSG. And there was a little bit of banter flying around as well with the PSG fans. Listen, I had to have a little giggle when the camera went on to the PSG supporters and they were all doing the positing.

16:58I wouldn't even want to turn around. You wouldn't even see the game, would you? It's already half-time, but why would you turn around and do it? I don't understand. I think it's something to do with some kind of Polish football team or something that started there and just... Maybe because they were crap. They were that crap to see you turn away and disgusted the performance. This episode is sponsored by Huel. So, Tim, I don't know about you at home, but as football fans, we've all got our things we can't do without. But in partnership with our sponsorship, Huel, we're bringing you one less thing where Tim and I discuss the one thing we'd like to see removed from football.

17:30And we talk about this a lot, don't we, on the golf course. First one up this week, for me, I'll come up with this one, Tim. Post-match apologies on social media. Come on. They've got to go, haven't they? Do you know who I think started it? I might be wrong, but it feels like Eddie Howe and Newcastle going over to the fans. Everyone will go there and clap them. Lovely. Brilliant. because they were winning every game. But all of a sudden, when you start getting chinned and you've got to go there and you're giving it... Some of that, yeah. Sorry, you know what I mean? Yeah, sorry, it's on me. That's the worst.

18:02Even the manager, I remember seeing Hans Postacoglu and I felt sorry for him. And he'd stand there clapping him and they're all cutting him off. Do you know why he did that? Why? He didn't want to go down the tunnel because he thought, I'm going to front this out. I'm going to front it up. I remember Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was away at Vicarage Road. I remember it. He went right over. That was his last game. Yeah. and he was he was over there like that apologising and getting some stick and I remember Bruno behind him giving it no it's not him it's all of us it's all of us yeah it's like charades isn't it yeah mate now blame me blame me I can take it I get the fans point of view because away fans I don't know what you were like when Liverpool fans they come in their droves and they pay big money so you've got total respect for them so of course you want to acknowledge them and there's nothing worse when you've lost and you you're sending them home feeling as bad as what they do But that, as a manager, like, I think now, if you started again as a manager, or I did, I think you've just got to set a precedent where you just don't do it at all.

18:58Of course, you love them. They're your fans. That's not going to change. But what difference does it make you going over there, you know, and clapping them? Because when you lose, when you're going for a bad spell, it's awful, right? You have no future in it. Especially, I always do, I was consistent with that. I would always clap from where I was and just walk down the tunnel, win or lose. So I know exactly what I'm doing. What about a little social media apology? I like them as well like you know when they do that well I'm really sorry today we was rubbish you know what I mean well I apologise for the performance performance yeah what players or manager or both players like to do that one would you do that if you was a player now I mean Newcastle manager the Isla did it the other night didn't he in Coventry you know come out and apologise to the fans they almost expect it now the fans I mean but the only way it's got any carries any weight is if they perform better when the next time they're out there so yeah I'm not I'm not keen on it.

19:48I really am not. Right, Tim. So shall we lose that sort of post-match sorry that's always become inevitable in football now? Yeah, gone. Gone? Yeah, gone. Out. What, yellow card? Red. Red, Kev. One game ban. I like it. The verdict's in. The post-match apology is gone. But one thing I'm not apologising for is having one less thing to think about it when it comes to my nutrition. Huel is a complete meal in a bottle. High in protein, high in fibre, with all essential vitamins and minerals. Save£10 on your first order with the code OVERLAP at checkout. Just go to Huel.com slash Overlap daily.

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23:03Listen, anyway away from Manchester City for a minute and your old pal he got a couple of goals last night Ross Barkley Ross was a great player was a great player when he was younger big and strong powerful could dribble was good on the ball yeah really strong player and got a bad injury when he was younger he was really fancy when he was younger Chelsea? I think he broke his leg no he broke his leg at Everton's youth team okay youth broke his leg when he was 15 or whatever it was and that knocked him back a year or two erm and then he broke through at Everton didn't he then he come through and he got his moves but eh no he's great and it's nice to see him score goals to get there because he's a I remember once Ronald Koeman said to me remember Ronald said to me I was coaching Ronald not Ross Bartley and Ronald said to me Dunk you know he dwells in the ball too much he takes too many touches in the ball he's dribbling too much in the wrong areas and all that and I go to that and I turn around and say to Ronald if I was brave enough at the time I turn around and say to Ronald I know boss but he's good at it isn't he and to be fair Ronald turn around went aye he is isn't he so he's good at it isn't he because sometimes people like to play two touch one touch get the ball get the ball get the ball get the ball but Ross likes to get on the ball he's a good dribbler and he's strong and he can manipulate the ball well and yes sometimes he went a bit deeper but who cares as long as you don't lose it but I say to him but he's good at it and it buys you your team time so if the ball goes to him and he's dribbling away and he's doing his stuff that gives you time to support time to get by him and Ronald turned around to be fair and said no you're right he is good at it isn't he so no he's got a lot of strength Ross nice to see him score a few goals to be fair yeah is it fair to say that he was like I don't know he seemed to like disappear for a bit and then his resurgence was like at Luton Luton took him in the Premier League yeah and then he did well at Luton Did he go abroad?

24:57Did he go abroad? I'm not sure I remember watching the game at Luton and oh Ross Barkley is there playing for Luton Premier League oh what a game he had He's probably had a few injuries and he's probably been struggling to pin down a position because off the ball he might not be the best and he might be brilliant in you because I've no song for a wee while but off the ball it might have been a wee bit of luxury off the ball to a lot of managers so if you've gone to some of these teams and want to work off the ball as you've got today maybe he was a wee bit and his position what's his best position yeah Nice so he did go abroad so I would I would see him as maybe a forward player and getting in their pockets and getting turned but also he's good at driving as well but maybe just off the ball stuff defensively obviously can get a goal as well obviously and good luck to Ross great fella love the lad actually used to drop him off at his house noon again when he was a kid with his mum and that his mum was in I used to go in and see them a wee cup of tea with his mum in that with Ross but good fella and good to see the Scousers and the Evertonians doing well Brilliant You took charge at Everton didn't you?

25:56I did There was one certain player Ross was on the bench by the way for Chelsea Was he really? Ross was on the bench for Chelsea I remember looking at him and shaking his hand and he was going good luck big man Nice one He was a great fella but yeah Chelsea that was my first game But there's a certain player that's been in the news a little bit in the World Cup and he's had a massive move to Barcelona you're going to take credit for that a little bit I knew it was always going to happen I knew that Anthony was always going to be a top top player you gave him his debut right I think I did I think what happened is we were in the Europa League right and I think Big Sam cried off the game I think something had happened he was unwell or something happened to one of his family members and he never went to the game so me and the rival Craig Shakespeare took the game and we were there in Limassol and we decided to make a change and I think we were looking for a left back or a right back I can't remember what it was and I turned and said get him on you can play in there you know what I mean so yeah we put him on in Limassol and then I gave him his debut when I was a caretaker the next game we played Chelsea the next game or the game after that we played Leicester in a cup game and I put him on I put him on for his debut at Goodison in a cup game Must be a great feeling for you When you see that happen And then all of a sudden He gets£80 million to Barcelona You're always watching the players That you coached Always I'm even watching players That are not quite great To the very top They're in the Championship They're in League One I still look for their names I still take a smile from my face When you see their names On the team sheets And obviously Anthony was a massive success This 40 But the one thing that Anthony had He was quick And if you've got a big asset You need to keep it so in academies it doesn't matter if you're big and strong that's an asset if you're quick that's another asset if you're really technically fantastic but in this day and age power pace Antony had speed he was lightning quick and he wanted to train I remember I used to do a 30 ball training drill with him so I put 10 balls at one side of the pitch 10 balls in the middle of the goal and 10 balls at the side of the goal so it was 30 30 balls 30 ball finishing drill and I used to say to him the best players get 25 % or 25 % or something finishes or whatever it was 30 % percentage I usually did it on my phone because I couldn't count I put it on the board in the training ground anyway Anthony on that finish and I say to him Wayne Rooney got 25 goals out of 30 Alan Shearer got 26 goals out of 30 they never I just made it up because I made this drill up but Anthony my God he was battering their balls he used to get he'd take 10 for this side he'd take 10 for the middle and he'd take 10 for the left and to try and get how many goals he could get out of the 30 I think he got to something like 24 goals or something something ridiculous I can't count the percentage but it was high and he loved that and what I noticed about Anthony he always wanted to learn he always wanted to ask questions and he always wanted to practice and the best ones always wanted to practice last off the training run and Anthony was the same wanted to do finishing wanted to battle their boys and any top players you've ever been with that's what they wanted to do It sounds like you've been a brilliant mentor and like is that what you see yourself as that type of manager a mentor or a coach or I've done it all me to be honest here I've done all my coaching I've done all my badges I just like being with people and talking to young kids as well you know I've just got a good connect I like being with them developing them yeah but it's due to them as well yeah it's like going back you know you remember your first good school teacher don't you you remember your best school teacher and the worst Mine was a boy called Davy Halker who was a PE teacher, right?

29:40So he was my best school teacher because he helped me and he gave me confidence in the football. So you remember that and you remember your... So hopefully Anthony would remember me fondly. Yeah. Or the boys that I've worked with would remember me. But it's great to help them. I think as a young lad you look for a kind of mentor because you look up to your coaches and your managers, don't you? I certainly didn't. I had a little... When I was young I was a little bit of a rogue and it needed someone to get a grip of me. and Brian Clough's assistant was a man called Alan Hill. Luckily, he was from the same area as where I'm from, so I think he had a little bit...

30:14Where are you from? I'm from Barnsley. Where are you from? Barnsley, what area? Well, I'm just south of Barnsley. It's called Tankersley, Hoyland, that area. Bit rough? Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't say rough, but tough upbringing. Yeah. You know. I can see that. Tough parenting. I can see that on you. Hey, but hey, I'm all right. I've aged well everybody keeps telling me you've aged well and you have as well well I've been to Turkey a few times you know what I mean so I haven't I didn't get these from Turkey no I had these I could have sworn you because that was the next thing you were going to say no no you look well mate no I bet you've had them knocked out a few times have you oh I have yeah probably no we may I was just talking last night I was just saying we're having a conversation as a goalkeeper when you're playing against a big striker who's renowned for attacking the ball obviously you was that person so we're talking about in swinging corners and out swinging corners as a goalkeeper I know I'm not coming correct I know my as the corners come in I'm shouting away in swingers away I'm not going to get clattered by you but an in swinger I know you're coming and giving me they get protected now don't they there's all this crap about the protection the goals get too much protection you know that the game's gone in the box I don't think they should have anybody VR in the box apparently should be apparently a red card should be a red card as in you take somebody out that's a red card you bring somebody doing hard properly that's a penalty all this forensic touches with a VAR touching on the toe if I touch you like that there right and you don't fall over obviously I've no push to you but if you fall out now and that goes to VAR you're new that's a new penalty if I've just did that to you you're pushed to you it's a lot of crap a penalty is good to be take somebody out do something proper I'm not meant to get a penalty there are already too many penalties and goalkeepers are getting far too much protection back in your day you never got any protection you still smash me I was scared to go on top of goalies sometimes because you'd come through and just bang you knock you clean it you know what I mean and it's gone if anybody came into your cage you'd get in there bang me through it absolutely you've got to protect yourself you know they get too much protection now like you say about penalties goalkeepers actually when was the last time you seen a goalkeeper come out at a striker's feet no very brave I've seen one I've seen who was the Coventy player the other day there Newcastle and the ball come through the Coventy got the penalty the boy come through and absolutely he shit his pants the ball come out and the goalie the goalie tried to try to go to the ball and he absolutely he toileted that he did this and the ball it bobbled off him then he went again to get it then he committed the penalty I think a lot of that for the goalkeepers if they do come out of the striker's feet there's every chance you're getting a penalty because the strikers are that good at buying a penalty.

33:07And I think goalkeepers have gone, well, I need to stay away from that. I need to stay back. I need not to commit myself as much because... So that kind of bravery, I think, has completely gone out of the game. Well, it's going to be everything, pal. There's no bravery in football. Let's not get on to VAR. No, come on. Let's talk about Everton this season. Everton. The mighty Blues. They're doing all right, yeah? Doing fine. Doing very good, in fact, considering the budget that he's been getting to them in the situation I mean Moises always built a solid team but to be fair to him he's got a bit of flair in there as well because he brought Grealish in he had him die before that he never brought him I know Sean Dyes brought him in but he's had he's both Jews beholding that so he's got a wee bit of boys that can handle the ball and can dribble and can make things happen and he's not been getting a lot of money really I would think he got a few quid last year and I think he's a big one that he's probably I don't know if it is is Dibbling there's no produce for him for whatever reason they spent a few quid on him and it's no work to it because he's no played him he should have been playing him if they'd fancied him on the training he should be in so I think they've made if that's a mistake I don't know because he's a young guy he might come again you know what I mean they're no better than me I've not been on the training run but he's no playing him so that's a bit of a problem and there's a lot of noise about Everton being sold again yeah I've seen something at the weekend that I wanted to bring up with you and I hope you agree with me because for me Everton threw the three points away against Hull yeah because they were winning 2-1 winning 2-1 going into the last 15 minutes right back of the stinker did he try to backheel that ball?

34:47with a stinker based the goals you know the old terminology put that in row Z there's only 15 minutes he kind of going to flick it didn't he I think he tried to backheel it Moise was absolutely nuts crazy because he's a defender himself he'll pick up on all these things defend first time but I think the lad made mistakes for a couple of the goals but yeah Moyes has done a great job there he's steadied the ship isn't he he's got Europe maybe challenging I don't see why you know everybody gets in Europe now doesn't they in the top ten or something everybody gets in Europe what do you mean it's harder to get put out now than it is to get in it I mean I don't even understand all the format the Champions League format they've got all that many teams you're losing games left, right and centre I mean how many games you play when the Champions League how many games you play to win the Europa League.

35:31How many games do you play? I don't know, 20, 30? I don't know. It's a lot, isn't it? So, I mean, if you're not winning it... 70-odd games a season. And then off and sur, that's going to impact you in the season. But Everton will be getting sold. They are looking for investment. I don't know how much that investment's going to... how much percentage it is in the club if these lads are going to keep control of the club. Do you think they need to sign someone like yourself? I think... Alvin Lloyd's gone. He's doing great at Leeds, by the way. He should never let Dominic go. I said it I've coached Dominic for a young man I've put him in my team he scored his first two goals ever in the same game for my Chelsea game that game I managed against Chelsea I put him up front he's a great player he's a great player they should never ever have let him go ever but obviously I don't know what's happening behind the scenes if he wanted 200 grand a week give him 200 grand a week if he wanted 100 grand a week give him it so the answer is yes then you should have ever going to cry not for someone a Duncan compared to Calvert-Lyne.

36:29They need a better player. They need a better player up front. To be fair to the lad up front, he's scoring goals and he's got a great willingness to embarrass himself. Right? Which is a great trait. Right? Because I tell you, you must be getting scared going in there because every time you go in there you fall out of the ball. No, he's not done it. He doesn't want to haul the ball come across and he had a tap in where he's left foot and he fell there and his feet were fell there. It must be frustrating the manager and the coach on the training ground. Because technically he's not good. He's not good.

37:02But he's got luck. And he's got willingness to get in there. And he keeps on getting in there. And Barry's strength is running away for the ball. Running away for it. So if the ball's there, don't come towards it. Run away for it. And he's got that bit of luck. The ball's always shoot the ball. It hits off his bum, it goes in. It hits off his chest, it goes in. But he can't really head it. He's no great technically. But he's scoring goals. He's getting in there. he will improve he's a young player he's big his work rate's fantastic so he's got a lot of pluses yeah do you see Calvert-Lewin has been probably maybe the next England number 9 yeah I mean I don't see why no I don't see why I'm trying to think who's out there I watched him against Arsenal I thought he was magnificent and I know obviously Harry Kane's out there but Dominic should be in there Dominic should be he should be you really rate him I rate him high he's 6 '3 he's quick he's got a lovely finish he gets in there he gets in that six in the box now he's tremendous leap tremendous leap he's great he's unbelievable in there so yeah I don't see there's many other I think it's all it's kind of all positive Everton really apart from it's like you get a few bad results you're in the crowd you know what it's like but there'll be a wee bit of turmoil behind the scenes the players will be trying to concentrate on their football but the club will get sold I think they want about 800 million for them I think they want about 800 million quid for whatever that is and they want about another 400 or 500 million quid to try and strengthen the team I think the team the boys that are in there just now have got it to a level and I think they're worried about they've not got the money to invest another 400 or 500 million quid to put the team up into the Champions League positions which has happened to us before we had a really wealthy investor before who spent a lot of money in the club but never quite managed to buy the right players but it's a different story but yeah I think the club got for about 800 million quid they're talking about maybe another three or four five hundred million pound to develop the thing it's going to cost somebody a billion pound then for Everton good atmosphere Neil Steading I remember playing the goodness I like it I like the stadium the stadium's fantastic the hospitality's great it's a bit of a ball like getting there and at the place you know what I mean it's windy it's the windiest place in the world in there and it's close to the water so it's tough to get to the train station parking car parking's tough car parking's tough everywhere isn't it I couldn't even park here today you know what I mean car parking sports now is there but no not good the stadium's good the stadium's all good mate Richarlison away at Cheltenham on Tuesday night as well coached him for the under 21s see Richarlison I used to put the scores up on the board kind of like a chart who'd scored the most goals in training who had won the most game etc etc and I used to put up on the board like out of ten you've got nine points or you've got two points and I used to add it all up in the chalice and he was a bugger for it I used to come in and he used to say to me I think it's Puntour Puntour where's my point you know what I mean I want to get my point because I'd forgot to put his point up but he was so competitive and he actually got a wee delegation right wee boy Alan who played for Napoli come in and that wee wee delegation and he come in and he says to me Richie's no happy with you Duncan he thinks you don't like him but you do you love him and I turn him and he says, no, I don't like him.

40:25Oh, really? I just said it to them for a laugh, right? I says, no, I don't like him. He says, you favour all the English players. I went, no, I don't, are they? He says, you famous Dominic and Mason Holgate and Tom Davis, all the British lads, you know what I mean? He says, you favour them, you don't like us. I says, no, that's right, I'm our favouring the British players. Yeah, yeah. I did love him. Yeah, yeah. He was competitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was so competitive. Where's my point? Where's my point? I forgot to put it up. But great player. Great player for Everton. he was tough he could head the ball but he always rolling around on the floor I hated that he was always diving and trying to do you know in my whole career I never dive once not once look I don't know what the manager's done garbage whatever the manager at Tottenham's done I don't know if they've obviously had a massive fawn out and no Richie they probably have but you've got to put your arm around them you've got to get back in there and say come on Richie some players need that and get them back in I don't even know if he's even in the squad is he in the Premier League squad I don't even know if he's even eligible he's not in the squad you don't leave a player like that out unless there's been a real murder he's chinned him or there's been a proper scrap on the training ground because Richard Charleston is a good player and Tottenham are no damn great are they it's all hands on deck you need all your assets on there so the manager to me he knows what he's doing he's on the ground but Richard Charleston great player and I enjoy working with him actually

41:52A couple of questions each, right? Have a look at that. Which one do you want me to ask you? That's what you want. I'm a boy, Mark. You sure? What do you want me? I'm an open book, pal. Open book. You don't want anything about Scotland, do you? You don't want to keep your hair there, don't you? You don't want to keep your hair there, don't you? Oh, yeah, yeah. Survived. Survived it. Yeah. No, no, no. No, it was natural. Was it? Yeah. Needed tongues in that, no? No, no.

42:23OK. Right, Duncan. Or Dunk. Shall I call you Dunk or Duncan? Come here, you want, pal. Come here, you want, mate. All right. Dunk. Yes. Question. Was Duncan Ferguson an£100 million striker in today's transfer market or would VAR have you banned by Christmas? Right, there's no way I could play now. So I couldn't play. I'd have to adapt my game massively because basically I should have probably been sent off in every game I played in. And that's the fact. So I couldn't play now because the VAR would go back to me elbowing somebody in the face or something. And you'd have to be off. I'd be a£100 million player if I played the games.

43:10No question about it. I never played enough games. So I don't know what my£4 million British transfer record was. That was in 1992.

43:21So I was a British transfer record then. I think you know. So if I'm playing games at football, I mean, everybody's£50 million, don't they? If I could get my best season, 100%. £50 million is a fake transfer. If I was lying on a treatment table, no. That was the problem I had. Right. But I couldn't play in the modern day in game. I could not play. I mean, you wouldn't want to play. You'd only want to play for a few quid, wouldn't you, really? I mean, the money they're getting, but we got good money back then, but this, I'm going back to this, it's absolutely, I mean, it's pernickety, it's forensic.

43:53I mean, you can't even, remember the first 15 minutes we'd be walking down the tunnel, and there if you'd be saying, the first 15 minutes are free, do what you just want. You'd be like, right, okay. Every time you kicked the ball, or my goalkeeper, big never at the time, would kick the ball for a goal kick, I wasn't watching the ball. Yeah. I was watching the player. Who's coming? who's coming across you to flatten you when the ball's in the air I'm looking at him yeah yeah because I know if I'm looking at the ball like this he's just going to come in and go bang and put you to sleep so in that time so the time that ball's flying because I knew the timing I'd be watching him so I was jumping for the ball I was going bang to him first to flatten him that's what we did that's what we all did yeah yeah that's why my nose is like that you seen it give me your thumb press that fucking nose lad your thumb press that as you want my god press as hard as you want nothing in there not a thing so every time the boys were elbowing their faces bounced off my rubber nose anyway going back to the VAR the VAR my god the VAR no no no I couldn't play I couldn't play I mean red cards now at least we got proper red cards you know what I mean yeah real red cards I'd say about 50 now if I played 50 games I'd say about 50 red cards yeah have you got a question for me now oh Christ sorry I'm just I'm just checking my nose in, I see.

45:11You know what, I've never put glasses on in my life. I put them on now. They look good, by the way. Jesus Christ, they're fine now. I've got a problem, haven't I? Anyway, what would Brian Clough say about VAR? We've covered that. You have to answer it in your own best Clough impression. So what would Brian Clough say about VAR? And you've got to answer it in the way Brian Clough would answer that. OK. Let me zone. Let me focus.

45:41this VAR I'd like to question it with the Football Association and I don't think I'll get the answer that I'm looking for Fantastic Very good I thought that was Brian Clough I've got another one Mark is there too much emphasis on being good with your feet as a modern day goalkeeper Joe Hart on Overlap Daily this week came to the defence of which I can't say his name Sene Lamens Lamens after Gary Neville claimed he saw him mouth, I don't want the ball versus Spurs. I'm with Joe on it because I think there's a point in the game where the ball's going to him too often. The angles weren't there and he was put under so much pressure that when he was going long, he was getting Christy's side for going long, but the options weren't there and he kind of got caught, I think, on camera saying, I don't want the ball.

46:36Because he's under pressure. Because they're putting him under that much pressure with the ball. But there wasn't a lot of outlets for him. So I think that's why he was getting it. So that's why I'm with Joe. But yeah, to answer the question is, you have to be good with your feet. There's a goalkeeper. There's no doubt now. You're seen as an extra man. Yeah. I don't particularly like it. Call me old school. Call me a dinosaur. There's times in the game. I think Jordan Pickford does it well. He mixes it up quite well. he does it but he smashes it in the park yeah so I think there's you know there has to be options for a 70 yard pass not just just kick it man yeah if it comes back to you you're in the park just kick it just tell the lad to kick it in the park if you're playing today would you rather be coached by Pep Guardiola or Brian Clough Brian Clough I agree with you and I to be fair I think Pep's maybe one of the few ones you know the best managers the best managers in the history in the Premier League or whatever who would have been?

47:38Fergie yeah Brian Clough well Brian Clough was pre-Premier League but let's see I'm saying the good one I'm saying Brian Clough I'm saying Alec Fergus obviously see guys like Howard Kendall and they were great managers because they were great man managers and I'm sure they were good tactically as well which they were but they were good they were good man managers they weren't done a lot of the coaching Walter Smith never done any of the coaching Walter Smith won every title gone Sherrard Ferguson whenever the title gone being big Sam doesn't go on the train gun a lot of them don't go on the train gun is this a case that the managers also manage the club from top to bottom yeah Browncliffe was involved with director's chairman it's gone back to scouting managers managers haven't even got control of everybody scouting department man players are coming in what a chance you've got but the manager's getting sacked the manager's getting sacked because he's not getting the players to play properly but he's not brought them in somebody else has brought them in but he's still sitting in his comfy seat in his he's nobody bothered with it he's a glass of champagne and the manager's getting slaughtered for all the dud players that they've brought in but I think I'd rather play in their coffee than Pep we're going to bring Kieran in it's his turn come in Kieran Kieran's a red man you're a red lad they're more scared to tell you that than the soccer box he'd come on soccer box with us once and he walks in and he sees me straight away you did on soccer box with Gary Neville oh yeah where we it's effectively it's a show where we used to sit in the cinema and watch the show and that yeah and like sorry watch Dunk's career in this scenario and he comes in and I always say hi Dunk and he's like blue or red and I sort of curled up like looking inside my soul I was like red yeah terrified I don't mind the reds either I've got a good a lot of good pals that are all reds yeah

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52:23It's time for Games Gone, Games Back Sponsored by Skybet Right, so this is Games Back, Games Gone Brought to you by Skybet Effectively, I'm going to give you three topics in football And you're going to tell me it's Games Gone, Games Back So, for instance, we've had one where you might go VAR, Games Gone Games Gone, mate Do you know what I mean? So, are you ready for the first one? Yeah Right We're done doing this Oh, we're both on it. You're both on it, so you're discussing it and then you decide where it'll go on the board in terms of the spectrum here. Oh, I see that. Games back, games gone.

52:57So you might want to put it near the middle. So this one, for instance, is related to the Bananas at Man City at the weekend. It's novelty inflatables in the away end. Games gone or games back. I could have laughed there and said it would be different if there were different inflatables they were taking with them. I might have said the games back. but only who's taking an inflatable banana to a game of football I mean who's doing that is that something back in the day boys would be taking 10 inch special or whatever they would be taking knuckle dusters and that with them they wouldn't be taking inflatable bananas would they so I'm saying the game's gone absolutely that is something that someone's thought up this idea and what is it for so why did they take the bananas the reason they took it was because back when they were in League One and stuff it was certain they used to do so it was a sort of it was a fan defiance thing about we're going to stick by this club in terms of city about what we're going to do I actually thought I don't know why I thought this right I thought why they take the bananas right was because Stephen slipped slipped in the game for Liverpool against Chelsea when the in the Lugans won actually I thought that's what they were doing Stephen Jenard taking the bananas to say because Stephen had slipped no they did historically apparently I don't know why we didn't get inflated bananas 30 years ago I think only Manchester City supporters will be saying games back yeah I think everybody else is definitely going games gone how far down are we quite far down quite far down as far as the goalkeeper plays yeah put it in the goal alright here we go right next one warm weather training in October so this is to do with Tottenham have gone to Marbella now I thought that was ridiculous right I'll tell you why I thought that was ridiculous they've just been away on an international break for bloody three weeks man three four weeks they've been away for their families for three or four weeks on an international break they come back then they go away again unless they took all their families with them do you know what I mean but we did date back in the day we did go to La Manga didn't we was it La Manga then all this trouble sat in La Manga there was murder in because everybody went out in a night out we end up night clubs and all that I think you've hit the nail on the head I think it can end up being more of a problem than it can I think it's different now with the players now it is different now back in the early week couldn't wait to get right couldn't we no no no we've been to La Banda haven't we yeah but it has been done before it does get done isn't it so I'm not saying the game's gone it's like you say it's just after a three week international break if you're specifically saying that one I don't think you shouldn't be gone in a warm weather break after they've just been away on bloody warm weather training camp with their bloody international teams.

55:53I thought that was a bad, bad move with the manager there at Tottenham. Is that what you're talking about at Tottenham? Yeah, that's topical, isn't it? I assume the game's gone, mate. The game's gone. The game's gone again? For the time of the year. A bit closer to the middle of the pitch. Maybe here, because there are times where maybe... Imagine taking yourself away again for another three or four weeks when you've just been away from your family for three or four weeks. To be fair, maybe some of the lads enjoyed that. Would you ever take your team on one with a chain do you reckon if the team had a few quid and if they won their way an international break yeah I think I would you could do that aye yeah but the international break was seen forever every day it was three four weeks so why do it again that was crazy yeah right this is the last one and this relates to Cole Palmer at the weekend so it's players leaving the stadium on foot and walking home so Cole Palmer was seen walking home from Stamford Bridge after the game at the weekend I like that I like that maybe not like we would back in the day I know it's different now but maybe we can have a chat with a few supporters and stuff like that games back all day long yeah well done it's probably because it was London it was so congested and it's probably couldn't get the car down the road do you know what I mean the Lamborghini or something maybe his Lamborghini broke down I don't know I remember one scene Mark Noble used to do it all the time and he was the captain I have seen boys coming out of Stamford Bridge before can't remember his name the big boy with the big perm at the back centre back lovely player such a great player played for Chelsea about 10 years ago David Luiz I remember him coming out to Stamford Bridge one night we were on the bus and he put his hat and that on got his stuff got his rucksack on and away he went do you know what I mean so walking back for the game God the game's back lad yeah absolutely that's got to be right at the top they say Klopp used to do it Dortmund right at the top right, games back, right at the top.

57:43And that's us done this week. Brilliant. Three more next week. Well done, son. Nice one. Well done, mate. There you go. Happy days. Games Gone was the winner this week. We'll have more next week brought to you by Skybet. Joining me and Dunk next on Overlap Daily, Chris Moyles. Chris, how are you, mate? How are you? Ah! God, I'll make it, son. Oh, God, you're not on the pitch anymore. Do you know what? I think I'm the youngest one around this table. I'm 52. Two. Seven. Four. Are you 57? Yeah. Are you? You look good. You do, you look good. So have you been to Turkey a few times? No, I haven't, no.

58:20You have? Why can't you keep on fucking flashing his mashers up? I had him done in Barnsley. I bet. You definitely didn't hit him when you were playing football because they'd have been right out. They'd have been on the floor. Do you know what? It's quite wise. Big Chapman would have put him right on his arm. Yeah. I'm a big Lee Chapman. Do you know when I was eight, when you used one of the old First Division? Yeah, yeah. Leeds yeah you were replacing Chapman yes right and I was replacing him ok so Howard Wilkinson right I come down from Dungeon United and I spoke to Howard Wilkinson right and he had me and after that after that I never signed for Leeds right because he was the most bonus man I've ever met right but he was a great coach right but he actually had me going in that big stand you know that big new stand he's got built yeah was it called cantilever stand or something they've got new pillars right it was the biggest one in Europe then he heard me round that stand and my yellow hat on walking around going I've got a lovely stand here lovely thing oh my god I was going to sign for Leeds I went to wee Strachan's house I went to wee Strachan's house I went to Gally McAllister's house as well and they were trying to get me to sign for Leeds so I was going round the Leeds and I went in to speak to Howard Wilkinson and my god that was it for me he put me to sleep unfortunately what a shame and I went to the Rangers then but I probably should have made that move south to Leeds then because you had a great team then God bless them Gary Speeves in midfield boys like that and McAllister and you got your Champions League winning run didn't you because you played Rangers you played Rangers in the Battle of Britain because I went to the game at Ibrox and I watched his and who scored your somebody was it Gary McAllister scored the first goal banging the top corner for Leeds do you remember at Ibrox no I don't do you not remember you're Leeds fan aren't you I'm loving it I don't remember every goal I remember this when I was at the game I think it was a volley and he stuck it right in the top corner like 40 ,000 fans just went the whole place went like that but Rangers won 2-1 and I think we come to Leeds I think Big Haley or McCoy scored at Erland Road and that was the Battle of Britain and yous were the champions Look how excited he is talking about Leeds I know I tell you what that was my only running my Leeds really You'd have been great for Leeds as well imagine the career you could have had if you'd have signed for Leeds God Leeds aye and everyone had a bad terrible terrible record at Erland Road we had a terrible record there we couldn't have won I think when Wayne Wayne dribbled by half your team at Erland Road we scored I think we won 1-0 Wayne was only about 12 at the time, I think, when he scored better.

1:00:43I nearly signed for Leeds as well. Not for Howard Wilkinson again, like, did you? Was it? 1996, just before you signed, the same day that Ian Rush signed, I was there for talks as well with Howard Wilkinson. 1996. They'd agreed a fee with Forrest, and I met him, and when I walked in, he said to me, do you eat at the same restaurant as your agent? Really? Insinuating that I was a little bit probably overweight at the time. Oh, my God. Maze Goldie's back then were a wee bit tubby lad, weren't he? You're all a bit heavy, weren't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, when you save money, you come off the old love angle.

1:01:21You look all big, isn't you? Like Big Neff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big Mark. Yeah, yeah. It's true. You know what I mean? And it never happened. Forrests were in financial difficulties. And did you eat the same restaurant as your reason? No. No. Which was McDonald's, obviously. Right. So tell us, what have you made of Leeds this season anyway? Listen, it's still a bit of a fever dream in respect of... Because so many years of bouncing up and down and none of it in the Prem. So, Bielsa changed it all, so it's lovely. Daniel Farker's come in. He's doing a great job. And I think he can only get better as a manager.

1:02:02So, I don't... As a Leeds fan, I've always got that... It's not a negative thing, but we could be 3-0 up with 70 minutes in the clock. And you wish it on yourself, wouldn't you? And you're there going, we've not won this yet. Not yet, yeah. We've not won this yet. Or you can be 1-0 down 50 minutes in and you're like, oh no, we've lost, we've lost, rather than go, it's all right, we'll get it back. So I think we've had a really good start to the league, the best start to the season in a long time. We've got some great new signings, really good new signings. Who are they? Who are they? Tell me one of your signings.

1:02:37because I'm not who do you like Marihimovic is a mountain yeah and I think he's I think he's going to where did you get him from er where's he a centre back where is he from where's he a centre back yeah he was like a he was like a bargain signing wasn't he from er where was it captain google where he's from and shout the answer so it looks like I know what I'm talking about this massive Leeds fan here is still going to remember any of his players Sassoulo any of his players where he's from Sassoulo where we got him from. Sassoula, where's that? French and French. This is going to be a nightmare to edit this.

1:03:13Anyway, we're digging a hole for ourselves. You're not helping. Italy. Italy. Watch this. We got him from Italy. Sassoula. That was it. Yeah, yeah. Acknowledge. Thank you. I'm a big fan. But he's good. Obviously, we got Harry Wilson on a free, which was lovely. We tried to buy him the other season and it didn't go through and then we got him on a free. Which was fantastic. business. So I think we're good. I think we're in a good position. Tell me about Trafford. What do you think? I'm still a little bit undecided. That's the goalkeeper. I don't know. I thought he meant the shopping centre down the road.

1:03:51I don't know. I really like him. You said tell me about Trafford. Yeah. And then you've started talking about what you think. Yeah. OK. Go on then. Sorry. Tell me about Trafford. That's the goalkeeper. I'm not getting on the run side of him. Go on. I don't know how you can understand I'm saying nothing. It's the first show I'm saying nothing. I like it. By the way, this episode of The Overlap Daily has got to come with subtitles. You've got to ask yourself, have you? And you've got to go, hey, back in our day. Bolds were made out of wood. They were made out of wood, don't you? You don't want to be in the wood.

1:04:23It must be going nuts on the subtitles here. Trapp, no, I don't know why you think the jury's... I think he's... There was a couple of squeaky bum moments in the Arsenal match the other week. I'll give you that. I think he's a class keeper. He's going to be England's number one keeper for the next decade. He is. No shadow of a doubt about it. I just hope they don't just push him that way. What? Tucson. Where's that? Tucson. Where's that? That's Pelé. What is it, Pelé? Pelé? What's he doing? Yeah, I don't know. I think he's great. I think he'd be good. At 24? He's John. He's 24? Unless you're a boy from Man City.

1:04:58What's his name? And he's good. Donnarumma. Donnarumma. I think he's finished at 27, don't we? Well, I do. I don't. Andy he's quite an angry man in real life as well isn't he me yeah not at all I don't know I'll be honest I'm shitting myself already Calvary-Lewin does it remind you a little bit of the way Duncan played I mean the determination he like he doesn't stop I think he's less what's the word I'm looking for angry violent you pick one I'm not looking him in the eye polite loving soft Sure, there are words that get used about you all the time when people talk about you. He's been great.

1:05:43It's a lovely thing when... Calvert-Lewin and Leeds seem to work very well together, which is lovely. And I think he's had a chance to play. Obviously, less injuries, which is great for us. And I think he's loving it. He was excellent against Arsenal. And the two wing-backs for me against Arsenal, and they caused so many problems. The way that Leeds took the game to Arsenal, I thought it was brave and, you know, really good. And they looked a really good team. Arsenal knocked nine goals past us last season and we didn't score one. So 5-0 and a 4-0. And so you just kind of go... And they were the only team that I think we looked scared by.

1:06:23We didn't know how to play them. So we go to Arsenal last weekend and we scored first. And, I mean, I went nuts at home. And we lost 2-1, but after being done 5-0 and 4-0 last season, I'll take 2-1 against the champions. Absolutely. Their bench had two internationals who had played and scored in the international break, and they're on the bench. They can't even make the team. So their bench is more expensive than our starting XI. I think Dominic's done great for you, hasn't he? I love it. What does success look like for Leeds this year? What kind of success would you want as a fan? What do you think?

1:07:02the happy way well everybody got really giddy at the start of the season and everyone's going Europe we could be we could be we're going to Europe at the end of the season when the players go to Ibiza on holiday that's about as near to it let's calm down last season was about not being relegated this season is about okay now let's start to stabilise exactly an established Premier League we've got a good cut or something in that kind of mid table yeah I mean we did well in the cut last year Phil Bag's a good player I keep on mixing these James Justin, Justin James. What's his name? James Justin.

1:07:34James Justin, right. He was at Leicester, a good player. Adam, Adam, Adam, Leicester, very good player. He was young. I really like him. Got a couple of bad injuries. He come through at Leicester, young full-back. I wanted him at Everton. And he got a few bad injuries. He scored, didn't he? He scored. He scored, didn't he? He always scored. Up and down, he got power, got good pace. Good player. Yeah, really like him. The nice thing about the team is when they're gelling and they're playing well, it's the relentlessness. like Tanaka against Arsdale it was like somebody just wound him up and just let him go and he didn't stop and that's what you want to see you know and then if you've been watching Leeds for a long time you've seen every version of Leeds you've seen them when they've got the ball and they're looking and they don't know what to do with it or they're just whacking the ball anywhere near the goal hoping it's going to go in and then when you actually get when there's actually a bit of clarity and they know what they're doing Bielsa was different wasn't he Bielsa was all good and slow wasn't he all at it pressing man for man up the pitch all the way players are like a moving pitcher really Leeds are now an established Premier League team in my house they've established themselves as a Premier League team and you've got a massive game on the week they've got who owns the club San Francisco 49ers Enterprises some Americans who own their food Americans coming over here taking our clubs eating our food Saturday You're going to see stealing the women there, aren't you?

1:08:58I had to be careful. Yeah, I had to change it. Speaking of American owners... Go on. Yes? Man United on Sunday. The big one. Now, depending on which... What a time to play Manchester United. I know it is, but then... Look, it's Manchester United, so Manchester United could turn up. Or this current... You all right there, love? I've just been a bootie. I've never seen somebody eat a strawberry more awkwardly in my life. Did you see that? I thought he was going to spill it in my wobbly... What would he do, blue shot? Hey, Jersey, I've just got his brand new, by the way. That's nice. I saw it in the wardrobe.

1:09:32Nice. If, bless him. I'm a nice guy. If you please turn up. I'm a nice fella. I'll agree with whatever you're saying. Stop sweating. I'm scared of you. Come on. I see you in real life smiling, but I still see that picture of you with your hand around that player's throat. He was a German. He was a German, you're right. He retired from football the day after that. That was it. He went in his, when he's living in a cabin in the woods. Retired. How's life at Radio X? Oh! You're loving it? Loving it. Radio X is a brilliant station that I'm on every morning. It is. Right, time at? What? What time at?

1:10:056.30 to 10. Right. And we do some funny stuff. All right, listen. We'll have a person. We'll play a few songs. I'm shaking. You'd like it. I'm going to be tuning in. You're going to get an extra. Sorry. Absolutely. You're going to be getting an extra. I am sweating. Listen up. Listen up. It's close. It's good. It's good. I've been doing it a while. I've been doing it a while and it's awful getting up at that time in the morning but it is what it is. You never get used to it. All the same questions you get asked all the time. Do you have to get up early? What, to do the breakfast show? Yeah. Do you have to go to bed early?

1:10:39Well, yeah, you're meant to but I don't get enough sleep. Is it scripted? No. We just go in there and we just dick about for a little bit and it's great. It's good. We had Daniel James and Harry Wilson on from Leeds this morning. It's a bit like this. Just off the cuff. I like to think my show's a bit more coherent. Yeah. You understand us a little bit better. I spoke to the two guys from Leeds. They surprised me with Dan and Harry this morning on the show. And I said I was coming on to do this. And I said, any advice for what I should talk about? And they said, just talk about how great the wingers are at Leeds United.

1:11:13And weirdly, you just said it. When their dad didn't play, but he was injured. They were outstanding. So, yeah, it's good. And you should tune in. And if you don't tune in, you'll have him to deal with. I'm tuning in. Well, Chris, it's been absolutely magnificent to have you on the show. We're just going to finish with one little thing. OK. A prediction for Sunday. OK. The one that I want, I mean, I'd love it if Trafford could keep a clean sheet and we win. So, do you know what? I'm going to go 2-0 Leeds United and Carrick's last match. Really? Well, I think if they don't turn up and we beat them, beat them.

1:12:01Do you not think? That could be his last one. What a way to finish the show.

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