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1:56You've got to see this tattoo. Is it there? Have you got old? He's got Venn on his back. Can we see them? Can we see them? No, he does see them. Hold on, gent. OK, then. I make a good paella. I also make a great ragu sauce, but... Is that Bolognese where we come from? Yeah, it's Bolognese in Bering. Biggest regret? Probably one tip switch. You know when you go out with your mates and someone dodges around? Who dodges around on you? You'd be surprised, right? Who was the best character that you ever played with in a changing room? Joaquin. Joaquin? Joaquin. favourite outfit you've ever worn the iconic picture that you think yeah I always felt I loved it I watched him actually at the Bolton Wonder Stadium I watched him that night I was there but I watched him with someone else you didn't invite me no no I went with Edwin the guys together Gary get you rounded and everyone's like he's embarrassed and he's like oh I've got to get around him

2:55TV programme Only Fools and Horses Last film you watched Jaws Favourite film There Will Be Blood Band You too I wasn't stereotyping you No, I'm not you Meal Chinese Drink Coke Car Do you know, I like a 4x4, maybe Your car looks nice Contega Holiday destination I suppose I like a bit of America Still on your bucket list to do A bucket list, will I do a parachute jump or a bungee jump or something? You've done that, have you? No, that was paragliding So a parachute jump Yeah Early bird or night owl Probably a night owl. What colour is your toothbrush? Do you have one of those electric ones? The electric ones, yeah.

3:31Would it be white and blue? Superhero. Somebody I look up to, you mean? It's a superhero. What's the first thing that comes into? What do you mean? Something silly like Batman or Spider-Man? No, or something real? Anything. The Hulk. The Hulk. He's cool. Fancy dress outfit. We've done a couple of Christmas functions where we got dressed up. Have we done that? Did we not do that at United? I've done it at Forrest. At Forrest I went as a convict. favourite city favourite city in the world in the world if I could go back to I did like San Francisco other favourite sport I like rugby league I like boxing I like watching the All Blacks job you'd end up in if not football do you know what I haven't got a clue but I think I would have done alright for myself because I don't mind working if you know what I mean what would that have been it could have been anything I think I would have put my hand to most things glass half full half empty definitely empty half empty yeah best goalkeeper you played with I suppose I'd have to say Peter but I still think he was overrated Peter Schmeichel yeah overrated he was yeah I just don't think he was as good as everyone made out but he was very good why are you questioning my answers toughest opponent when I was younger at Forest obviously I played against Gaza Gaza was brilliant but overall I suppose Zidane your best performance oh I don't know Gary come on you have to give us a game I've probably done alright with Ireland in one of two big games against Haaland and Portugal, maybe in the World Cup against Italy.

4:59Yeah, one or two of them. Worst performance? Worst performance... That way you're the shocker. No, I tell you, I remember we played Real Madrid one time at home and I was a shocker. But I'd just tried yoga a couple of days before that. No, I did, I tried yoga and I couldn't get going. My energy was... It was Real Madrid at home and I never got a kick. I was taken off and I remember thinking, I'm finished at real top-level football. Best atmosphere in a game you played in? I think our games against Arsenal were pretty good. Moment you still think about? What, in a good or bad way? Anything. In football, I suppose.

5:30Maybe actually when I'd done my cruise ship. The Harland one. Yeah, the Harland stuff, yeah. When I got injured, when I got injured. When you got injured, do you blame yourself for that? Yeah, a bit stupid. I don't think I deserved doing my cruise ship for it. Favourite game you played in ever? I think beating Spurs to win the league was good, wasn't it? I enjoyed that game, yeah. 94 or 99 team? I loved the 94 team. They were different characters and I'd just gone to United. I loved that dressing room, yeah. Biggest regret? probably going to hip switch your favourite goal there must be one comes to your mind the header against Juventus no I think I scored a couple down at Arsenal we beat them 2-1 I enjoyed that that was a big game for us best away ground the one I enjoyed the most would probably I used to love Highbury the greatest of all time I still love Maradona that was brilliant favourite Irish player Dennis Irwin or Pomegranate best player you played with because I played with him in the middle of the park I got butty or scolzy scolzy maybe because he got a goal in him teammate

6:30I'd have to maybe go with Dennis Irwin because I'd room with Dennis with Ireland and United and he's a cock man even though he lives five minutes away he never gets in touch with me Joker of the pack I thought he was a good crack wasn't he worst dress sense probably the Norwegian lads Ollie Henning Ronnie Janssen most stylish player Giggsie or Sharpie maybe Longest to get changed I think I was there I was always one of the last but if it was not myself who was the longest Pally was kind of lazy getting ready Always on the phone Bex Bex was always on the phone York or Cole Corley Last minute penalty who do you want on it Eric or Rude maybe Which one You can't make a decision I go with I go with Rude Vieira or Keane as what player I thought I was better than Patrick yeah is that what you're saying who's better yeah me what are you pausing for Phil or Gary no you were listen both very good players that's a tough one you probably I'd have to go with you because you'd done a bit longer and Phil was in different positions if you know what I mean Phil was more of a team player because he you know he did he'd done different jobs left back in midfield Liam or No oh Jesus do you know I'd probably tolerate Liam or No No.

7:50But they both get my nerves. Like the two boxers. But maybe Liam. Sporting icon. Muhammad Ali. I used to like Mike Tyson. Yeah. And he'd like to play for the All Blacks. Brilliant rugby league. I like rugby league. Person you admire most in your life. Oh, I admire most. You have to tell someone you like me a lot. This is like the person that's like the one person. In sport or in life. It's a bit heavy, isn't it? Jesus. Family. I suppose, obviously, my mother. Political figure? Nelson Mandela. Because we met him, didn't we? We met him pre-season, yeah. Ronaldo or Messi? Ronaldo every day of the week.

8:28If you could change one thing about your appearance, what would it be? There's not much wrong, is there, I don't know. I don't know. A bit taller. Could have won more headers. Clean shaving or beard? No, beard. A clean shaving kind of irritating. I prefer the beard. It's just, it's a bit, it's kind of lazy, isn't it? I used to think that. No, but when I have a shave, within a day or two, you're going, it looks rough anyway, just leave it. Does the beard being on or off define how you feel, or is it just nothing to do with it? No, that would be a bit too deep. You're looking at, it's just sometimes this laziness.

9:05Yeah? Yeah, and if I have a shave, no, come tomorrow, a bit of stubble, and then a day out, and you're going, f***ing not a shave, just leave it.

9:16Welcome back to the main interviews brought to you by Skybet They've been our partner now for the last four years And we wouldn't have been able to deliver the overlap without them And we're going to move back into main interview territory next season Which is, I know you've missed them What's your favourite TV programme? Only Fools and Orses Still? I love Friends, but Only Fools and Orses is always a favourite Favourite band? Stone Roses. Stone Roses. Favourite meal? Pine mash. Pine mash and liquor and jelly dills. You have to get a picture of this stuff. It's like green. It's not like our pie and mash up in Manchester.

9:54It's like... It's proper pine mash. Favourite drink? I'm going to go alcoholic drink first. Are we able to talk about alcohol on television? Of course. Red wine. Favourite holiday destination? Wine country. Maybe Tuscany. what's the best goal you've ever scored Greece goal against Greece Old Trafford not the halfway line one no actually I forgot about that one yeah that one yeah halfway line the halfway line to be fair put you on the map didn't it it did how many tattoos do you have I was reading it on the internet and it said you've either got 67 or 80 do you know the number I probably have 81 now individual 81 yeah I remember your first one.

10:38I know. Because I had it done and then I stayed at your house. No, that was the second one. So the first one was Brooklyn on the bottom of my back. The second one was when I had it was the angel. And then I was sleeping at your house at the time and it stuck to the bed. Which is your favourite tattoo? Favourite tattoo... Where's the tattoos come from, by the way? What was it? My dad. Your dad? Yeah, my dad. My dad obviously had, he's got old school like ships and things like that and he's got mum and dad. My favourite one, it's hard to pick a favourite one. Favourite one? Kids' names. Kids' names.

11:16And Victoria's. Throw that one in the beach. What's the one thing that you do that annoys Victoria at home? I think I have a couple. I have a couple of things. I've got this...

11:35That's from the boss. She doesn't love that. Why do you do that? You have always done it, though, haven't you? I've not always done it. Maybe for the last 15 years. There's probably a couple of other things as well I do that annoy her, to be honest. I'm very clean and she's not. As in, I'm tidy. She does wash, though. Yeah, she washes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she washes. From time to time. What do you like most about retirement? I think that I can do other things that I couldn't when we were playing because obviously when you play, everything's so regimented. You have to eat the right things, drink the right things.

12:14You can't travel. And I think the travelling part is the part that I love. What's the best hairstyle you've ever had? Apart from this one, I always liked the skinhead. I always loved a skinhead because it was easy. You just didn't have to do anything with it. So I loved a skinhead. Would you go back there again, skinhead? Yeah. What's the hairstyle that's caused the most controversy? You tell me. Is it the mohawk? You know better. Probably the mohawk. How long did that last? How long did that last, the mohawk? It lasted until the gaffer saw it. And then it had to go. And then he made me shave it in the changing room.

12:52Mohawk and probably the cornrows. Cornrows. What's the cornrows? Do you remember? Nelson Mandela. Oh, they're things, don't they? Yeah. I had those done in the south of France when I'd had a glass of rosé. What's the favourite outfit you've ever worn? That you remember? The iconic picture that you think, yeah, that's when I looked... Yeah, I looked good. Yeah. I always felt I looked good. I look back now and I'm not sure I did, but I always felt that I was always wearing the right thing at the time. I've never asked you this, but I should know, really. Where did the fashion come from? I know you were always fashion, but did some of it come from Victoria?

13:30Did some of it come from external advice? Did some of it come from you? To be honest, people always thought that Victoria had a big influence over what I was wearing, the decisions that I was making with hairstyles or tattoos or the clothes that I was wearing. But I always made the decision of wearing a full leather outfit or a full denim outfit or whatever I was wearing at the time. I just loved fashion. I loved wearing different things and different clothes and things like that. And to be fair, the more people told you not to wear something, that was the worst thing you could do with you, wasn't it?

14:04It's the worst thing. Yeah, I mean, you're stubborn as hell, aren't you? I don't think I've changed. I'm still the same now. Even if someone says to me, don't do it, I will do it. The best player you've ever played with, more simple. The best player I've ever played with, apart from you, Zidane. close favourite city in the world London still you're still harping on about it of course that's why you spend so much time down there I know yeah it's a bit better with that I used to hate it but then all of you lot did London East London all Cockneys slash Cockneys you're all down there now oh can you book me a restaurant but he texted me the other day Bex can you get me in this restaurant what's the best thing about having David Beckham You always get a seat in a restaurant.

14:56It's unbelievable. It's incredible. The contacts are incredible. Your childhood idol? Brian Robson. We know that. We know that one. Which of your children do you most see in yourself? It's an obvious thing. I see a bit of me in all of the kids. The stubbornness of Romeo. He's got my stubborn side. The kindness of Harper, I'd say. Brooklyn is a softie and is very caring. And Cruise, because Victoria's always said that I'm quite funny and nobody knows that, which I thought people did know that. But Cruise is quite a character, so I'd like to say Cruise has got my character and funny side. So a bit of all of them.

15:45What do you do first thing in the morning when you wake up? What does your morning look like? Well, I first do. A cup of coffee. Actually, well, I wake the kids up first and then I have a cup of coffee. I love coffee. Do you? Mm. What coffee drink? I go from... It's not a nice cafe, is it? Do you know, the weird thing is that I'm going to sound like I write knob now. In London, I have just black coffee. Right. In the countryside, I have a latte. So, it makes me sound a bit of a knob, but I don't know why. I never have a latte in London and I never have black coffee in the countryside. Why is that?

16:23I don't know. When you were younger, I would have said definitely you were a city boy. Definitely in the city. You're always driving around the city all the time. At night time. I love the countryside. So the countryside now. I always love the countryside. But I love the combination. I love the fact that, obviously, during the week I'm in London because the kids are at school, but then, you know, weekends I'm in the countryside. I love being in the country. Favourite thing to cook? I make a good paella. Yeah? Yeah. I also make a great ragu sauce. Is that bolognese where we come from? Yeah, it's bolognese in Bury.

17:01Ragu sauce with fresh pasta, but I make a good paella with chicken, squid, shrimp. Ooh, right. What's your favourite other sport? Basketball. Basketball? Yeah. Is that a new thing or is that something? Who was the other basketball? Is that because of the America? I just love everything about basketball. The entertainment side, they're real athletes. Yeah. And so I love everything about basketball. Who's your favourite basketball player? Kobe. Kobe was. Because, you know, I was in LA at a time where, you know, he was unbelievable. I mean, he was always unbelievable. But, you know, the championships that they were winning at that time, you know, The rivalry between Lakers and the Celtics.

17:45Kobe was just a different animal. We've grown up. When we go and watch a sporting event, you stay there until the last second, until that whistle goes. And I was the same at basketball games. People hated going with me to a basketball game because normally if the game's done with two minutes to go, you get up and leave. I stayed there to watch Kobe walk off that court because he was just an unbelievable athlete, an unbelievable person and just the best. Your favourite Spice Girls song? Say You'll Be There. Why? Because that's only Victoria? That was the one where we were sat in separate beds in our room.

18:28Did you all draw Moldova? Moldova, I think. Yeah, I remember. Yeah. Did you invite Victoria to the players' lounge a couple of weeks later? Did you tell me how you can come clean? Absolutely. Social media wasn't, like, part of our lives then. No. No, I had no... Yeah, I just found out that she was there. It was just... I don't know. Just meant to be, I suppose, Gary. Favourite superhero? Batman. Am I rubbing?

18:59I just liked his outfit. Phil or Gary? For what? For what? Do you want me to be your manager or Phil? Phil. Phil, let's say Phil. How many of Gary Neville's 35 Premier League assists were for David Beckham? Quite a few, I'd say. No? One. One? Maybe one. Let's say one. One player from the past that you'd love to have played with, so someone that was playing before you started. Bobby Charlton. You're always your hero, aren't you, Bobby Charlton? He was my dad's hero. That's why my middle name's Robert. I didn't know that, you know. Really? No. Yeah. And you won the Bobby Charlton soccer school, didn't you?

19:48Yeah. So I'd love to have played with Sir Bobby. Whilst I was taking long throws in Bury. Yeah. Somewhere.

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22:06What would you have been if you hadn't have been a cricketer? Dead. Hello and welcome to the Overlap Stick to Cricket brought to you by Betfair. I'll be joined by Alistair Cook, Sir Alistair Cook, David Lloyd and Phil Tufnell. Do you see Olly Pope strolling out at number three? Tufus is more likely to get through his first 20 balls. I think that's a stat. No, that is a step. We'll bring you analysis, reaction and interviews in what's going to be a huge year for cricket. Two players, Joe Root, Virat Kohli. If he were playing outside our house, I'd shut the curtains. There'll be stories from our playing days, we'll be answering all your questions and we'll be having lots of fun along the way.

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23:07What city means the most to you and why? Manchester, even though I don't live there anymore, because it was where I was born and raised, and it's where my family live. And eventually, I think one day, I'll end up back round there somewhere. Who was your childhood idol? Probably Muhammad Ali. I always used to watch him in his movement and all that, and I wanted to be a heavyweight champion, so I used to watch and study and try and copy what he did. What item in your home do you most treasure? Probably my Bible. I've had this Bible that my uncle got me about 14, 15 years ago, that wherever home I go to, I take it with me and put it on the side.

23:44I'm not going to lie and say I read it every day, because I don't, but it's always there. It's in my bedside table now. And if the house burnt down, it's only a house. as long as all the kids were out there and my wife was out I'd probably grab that and all. What's the best piece of advice you've ever been given? Very good question but the best piece of advice I've ever been given is stay out of trouble. Stay out of trouble because it's very easy to get in trouble and so hard to get out of it. So always stay away from trouble. Not a bad bit of advice is it? That's good advice actually. What one day in your career would you relive?

24:19None. None of them because I live for today and whatever's happened in the past, I leave there. Do you know what? I don't even go back and watch fights that I've had ever. I don't relive the past at all because it's gone. I know I can't get it back. And I'm almost obsessed with time. I've got a real obsession with time and the way it evaporates and the way that one minute we're here and in a minute it'll be like, when I done that interview with Tyson, it was like three years ago and it'll go like that, bang. And I've really got an obsession with time so I live for now and I enjoy today. and I don't even think about tomorrow.

24:52I only live for today. Tomorrow, not promised to nobody, yesterday can never get back. So today, I enjoy today and I live for today. What job would you be terrible at? Any other job apart from boxing. That's a fact. So boxing's all you've got? All I've got. Good job I'm good at it, innit? What skill would you most love to master? Do we know the answer? Yeah. The art of time travel. If I could master that one, that would be a good one you want to live forever? no I'm happy to have a few years and move on I just want to live in time I don't want to control it don't live forever just want to be what I say I want to be sounds very simple but it's probably the hardest thing that can ever exist I just want to be happy and that's probably the hardest thing that we can ever ever find and like I've always struggled finding happiness no matter even in my happiest moments I struggled finding a happy happy place and that's all I ever want to achieve is to be happy and I know that achievements and everything else that this world has to offer doesn't make me happy at all so yeah I think it's unbelievable advice because even when you're talking I don't think anybody ever sits in a moment and thinks are they happy even if they're having a good moment yeah it's like you could be doing anything you want wherever you want in the world do you actually take it in and think I'm actually really happy now doing this this is my happiest moment and do I want to keep doing this every day because then I won't be happy doing it.

26:20But I think I'm at my most happiest when I'm training, when I'm... I don't even have to have a fight coming up. Just doing a bit of training, ticking over, and everything's okay at home. I think, like, if you're in a relationship or whatever, if you're happy at home, then you'll be happy at work. Are you happy at home? I'm very happy at home, yeah. I've got a stable background at home now with the kids and with Paris and that. As long as I can keep it good at home, then I seem to be... Everything else runs smooth. What single habit have you practised most? I'd like to say, but there's ladies in the room.

27:01No, a single habit I've practised most? It's obviously boxing, isn't it? Because it's a habit and I practise it every single day. What small thing annoys you most? Small thing annoys me most. I don't know how small this is, but it's the most annoying thing in the world. You know when you go out with your mates and someone dodges around? Who does his round on you? Well, you'd be surprised, right? If you get a group of people, say seven or eight years, right, and everyone's getting a round in, and it comes... Everyone knows he's round is, don't you? Even if you've had a few. And that person ain't getting a round in.

27:32That's the most annoying thing to me in the world. How do you deal with that normally? Well, everyone just puts pressure on the guy to get it in. And then we start chanting, whoever it may be. Gary, get your round in! And everyone's like, it's embarrassing. He's like, oh, I've got to get a round in! so yeah who's your biggest mentor in your career final question that my biggest mentor in my career is probably my wife because without her then I probably would have went AWOL a long time ago I've been AWOL anyway plenty of times but I've always had that loving wife relationship sort of the backbone she explains it to some people as I'm the head but she's the neck and without a neck you've got no head have you so i think she's my biggest single mentor of her had been together from being like 15 and 16 years old and to find to get a woman who's been with you all that time and gone through the bullshit and the good times and the bad times and being down and depressed and an alcoholic and a druggie for years and to still be there when when you don't want to be and when you're being forced away and when you're being pushed out that takes a very strong individual and like I say without having that person then I probably want to be dead anyway I know that for a fact and two if I wasn't dead I wouldn't have that stable background I'd be up and down flying up and down Miami or wherever I'd be I don't know because I've I can't envision where I'd be if I never had that stable home life and it's what's kept me going all these years I reckon to have somebody like there who's there for me and who knows me inside out from being a little kid because at 15 and 16 you are children aren't you we've had all that time together sort of grew up together as well so she knows me better than anybody in the world

29:29favourite drink red wine oh yeah can do it now yeah that's nice rude not bottles but nice little glass nice little glass there after a victory that's a red wine last night glass of wine favourite goal you've ever scored United Fulham I know that goal I mean I can still see that goal I didn't score many of them It was my best goal ever But it was my best goal Best manager you ever played under Sir Alex Because I had him for a long time Five years He's the manager I played under for the longest His legacy really I was part of that for five years And looking back on it That five years The way he managed a team a player, the club, that for me is the best.

30:15Favourite meal? Well, my Spanish roots are a little bit in that. Not Mancunian? The black pudding I'm skipping. I'm going for the, let's go for a good paella. Paella? Paella, yeah. Do you know something? Do I remember this right? On a Friday the day before a match, did you used to come up and have the chocolate muffin with the custard on it? I loved it. Do you remember it? I loved it. I loved it. loads of that custard on it. I love it. But there was also a white sponge cake with the custard. That was also very nice. I always used to remember you coming up and you were very professional. You used to eat really well, but all of a sudden I just see this mountain of sponge and custard.

30:55Yeah, yeah, with this big bowl. And then just... What does the first hour of the day look like for you? Breakfast with the family, bread, coffee, and then the day starts. most played artist in your music library I would say Coldplay Coldplay? you've been to watch them live? I've watched them I watched them actually at the Bolton Wanderers Stadium a long time ago I watched them that night I was with Edwin I was there but I was with someone else you didn't invite me no no I went with Edwin the Dutch together favourite holiday destination? for me Spain I have a place in Marbella because in Malaga my last year and lived there and kept there that's where you went for the little payoff at the end I went for the I went for the for the last bit the last bit favourite film do you watch films yeah I do do you do I do yeah series and films series or film you can go for either I loved Casa de Papel I love it as a series what's that Money Heist Money Heist yeah is that yeah I watched that in lockdown yeah it's good that was that Yeah, lockdown series.

32:08Champions League with Manchester United or Euros with Holland? That's a hard one, isn't it? You can either upset Manchester United fans or your country. Or my country. You have to be careful with that. I have to go for my country. Your country? Yeah, my country. Good answer. Who was the best character that you ever played with in a changing room? Joaquin. Roy Keane? No, no. Joaquin. Joaquin. Joaquin. Joaquin, he's in Roy Keane, he's Spanish then. Yeah, he was also, it could be Joaquin or Roy Keane. You know the one who's in Betis? Yes, yeah, yeah. I was in Málaga with him. Yeah. And he's also, like you, a TV personality now as well.

32:51And also he's famous for his jokes, but he's a real, real character. Okay. He's a funny guy as well. Messi or Ronaldo? Oh, God. Yeah. I always say Cristiano because you have a past with him. Yeah. What is the top of your bucket list still to do in your life? Top of the bucket list is travel to Australia and New Zealand one day. If you could be a professional in any other sport, what sport would it be? Tennis. Oh, you play tennis now? I played paddle as well. I played paddle and tennis, but I played as a kid, I played also a lot of tennis. And at 14, 15, I was actually thinking, am I going for tennis or football?

33:32But I love tennis. And who was your inspiration at tennis? Who was your favourite tennis player? Nadal. Nadal? Yeah. I thought you'd be more feddery, your calmness. You like the fire. Yeah, the fire. It's more the fighting and digging into it. It's Nadal for me. The biggest inspiration in your life growing up? That's my granddad. Yeah, big inspiration. His character and his way of life, the way he lived his life. What would he say to you that sort of inspired you? Hard work pays off. That was his mantra. it's like okay the way he lived his life the way he grew up and it's like you've got to be a good person and work hard and the things will fall in place for you and of course many people say it but he really lived it as well the biggest regrets are you waiting at which one are you?

34:23are you going in? things are coming to my mind my goodness Gary can you skip this one and think about it a little bit If you come back to the biggest regret. The best party you've ever been to. I always think it's a hard question, that one. Yeah. I remember my wife's 40th. It's actually six years ago. And she invited all friends from different places where we've been. So friends from England, from Spain, from Germany. That's probably one of my biggest regrets that I went from Madrid to Germany. but anyway she invited also people from Germany and people from Mollega and we had this unbelievable party with our Dutch friends and family as well mixed with all the people we met along the way it was a fantastic party and my worst decision in my career was to leave Madrid for Hamburg I shouldn't have left Madrid at the time did Madrid want to keep you?

35:22Yeah, I was with Pellegrini at the time and they signed Benzema, Ronaldo, Kaká, so there was no place for me and I understood, I accepted, I was 33. But I wanted to give it a go, to go to World Cup 2010 and I went to Hamburg and it was a quick, too quick decision for me. And also for my family, it wasn't the right thing to do at the time. So, yeah, I wouldn't have done that. if I should have done it again. Did you know straight away when you first got there? No, it was actually a great start. I had two goals in my first appearance, but it was leaving Madrid with the family and all the moves. It wasn't the club, but it was more on a personal level, taking the family and young kids and taking them out of Madrid.

36:20and it wasn't a good thing. Did you have a pre-match ritual? I'm going to say as a player, what was your pre-match ritual as a player? We'll come on to manager you later. At United I was always in the treatment room. I was changed quickly and I was just there relaxing on the massage beds with the physios and reading the match programme. Most of the players were in the lounge just waiting and then changing and I was already changed. You used to get changed as soon as we went down. I got changed, I went in. Because I was quite confident because we didn't know that we were playing. So it happened sometimes where the girlfriend said, called me in his office and I changed and he said, you're not in the squad today.

37:03And I put on a suit again. I do remember you getting changed. We used to go for the pre-match meal at say 12 o 'clock and then we'd come down and the players would always keep their suits on and you wouldn't get changed until you knew you were playing. but you used to get your kit I was like okay I'm getting changed I'm playing today I needed to get that I didn't know it we'd be there he's confident another Dutch confident guy what's your biggest phobia? claustrophobia maybe claustrophobia these spaces the most famous name in your phone book are you in it? Sir Alex is it most famous probably yeah yeah Sir Alex ok the best stadium you ever played at I have to pick Bernabeu Bernabeu yeah I have to pick that one yeah for me it is some stadium yeah it's that yeah it's the round high it's close it's close it's steep yeah it's the best one the highlight of your career for me it's La Liga and the Premier League titles titles the most difficult defender you ever played against I always say when we played Milan away for the Champions League what was it, the last 16 or something 2003, 2004 that was Cafu Nesta, Jaap and Maldini, that was a back four with Gattuso in front that was too much that was too much but I would say when I played Jaap in that game you know playing with him for the national team and United but actually playing against him that was a beast quick, also on the turn because that's where you want to beat these guys and also that determination and aggressiveness as well it's a lot and the final question last minute penalty against Arsenal you know?

39:17And Keogh is right in front of you. It's a last-minute penalty. Who do you want to take it for your life?

39:27Wow. Have you ever seen Cristiano miss one? Not many. Not many, yeah? No. I would say him. I thought you might have gone for yourself. No. I think his record is the best. Yeah. I missed a couple. I just mentioned one to be the most famous one. Talk to me about that. Talk to me about Keogh and what he did that day. You were quite calm, weren't you? Yeah, I was just... I was calm because I missed. But then the year after... I was upset. Yeah, the year after was... It was nice, eh? It was nice. We got revenge. It was... My heart was going, but it was good that it went in.

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41:50Favourite album ever. I remember when you once brought Kelly Jones, didn't you, to our Christmas party? Yeah, well, I've got it tattooed. His album tattooed on my arm. It's a Jeep album, just enough educated to perform. And that's what I've got on my arm. It was around that time, wasn't it, Stereophonics? I'd probably say that. If you tattooed on your arm, I'd pretty much go for that one. Yeah, I'd probably say that. That was more because it probably summed me up as well. Just a bit undereducated, but I've got enough to perform. He's, to be fair, what a voice he has, by the way. Oh, he's incredible.

42:19He sang at our wedding, Kelly, and done an acoustic set. Has he? And it's still, to this day, one of the best things I've seen. It's brilliant. Best stadium you've ever played at?

42:33I'd have to say Wembley. Do you think so? Yeah, I love Wembley. I would never choose Wembley. I like Arsenal's new one as well. And I get, like, there was some, like, I used to love White Hart Lane and Highbury, these grounds, but I think Wembley's... The new Wembley? Incredible, yeah. Do you not find it hard to play well at Wembley? I found it hard to play well at Wembley. Yeah, that's you, though.

42:56I just love Wembley. I know it's not the old Wembley, and it's not as iconic as that, but... You wouldn't have played at the old Wembley, would you? No, I was there. I went did you play in the 95 cup final yeah so you were there as Everton fan in the 95 cup final best advice you've ever been given probably say from Roy Hodgson and you know Roy could talk and then he started going on about people taking pictures and camera phones and he said to me the best picture you can take is in your mind because I'm not big with taking pictures on my phone and stuff like that you can look at pictures and you can make whatever you want from a picture but actually having that in your memory I was good that who's your best friend in football?

43:39there's a few obviously Fletch Wes Shazie Carras all that probably that group really they were always your best friends in the changing room weren't they really them lads you were friends with everyone though weren't you because you used to walk I remember you used to get changed in a different spot every day and sit next to different people it was like you were like a Duracell bunny yeah no I was but I always looked at it as obviously you had yourself Giggsie Scolsey Roy at the time obviously for a short period and you was obviously Man United it was your club and then you had that little group behind you in Rio myself Wes and whatever and we knew we were the next ones and we had to take that on from you and I think that's probably why the club's struggling now because there was no one underneath us really to go and you know set the examples yeah favourite tattoo?

44:34oh god honestly you've got to see this tattoo is it then he's got then on his back to be fair I think we told this story at City Football can we see them no you've not seen it no no okay then oh god I don't know probably could you not make that into another word now another phrase I've tried to think things but it's me and it is so it's there it's part of your yeah it's part of your I've got Kai on my back but I haven't got any other kids so how do they feel about that I just stopped getting tattoos I couldn't I don't like if I could get rid of all them I would to be honest who was the best character in the change room that you ever played with you smirking I don't know I'm thinking there's a few Patrice was always he was a good character Patrice wasn't he yeah he was a good character I used to argue with Patrice and laugh with Patrice I used to love him and Vida arguing and then Vida was you know it's just so stubborn you fall out of them he doesn't speak to you for months he doesn't speak to you for months he's like coming in like I'm going to kill you every day didn't he?

45:39yeah and Patrice PK was yeah he was mad as well yeah he was actually I remember there for a young lad him and Patrice had a little bit PK went over the top the gaffer went nuts it's brilliant because we got older I remember me and Scholes used to sit over in the corner just laughing our heads off because like you were keeping us young yeah the banter was remember on a train when they put the, I think Fletch got like FHM or the zoo or something like that and they had a blow up bin for your beers and we were on the train on the way to a game. But I was sat with you and Giggsie and then they were sat under four seats behind.

46:14Fletch, Rio, Shazie. They blew her up, put it over my head and started punching me. I've lost my, I've made the coffee cup nearly went at them and stuff. Best manager you've ever played under? Alex Ferguson, I think. It's funny because when you stop playing and obviously when you go into management as well, you look back at different managers and different things you do. I remember I used to think, why is he not coaching all the time and stuff like that? You see the trust he has with his other coaches as well. My management with everyone was incredible. Obviously, we had a bit of a falling out as well, but I think that's part of football.

46:54We all want the best, and he was certainly the best. the favourite memory in the England shirt was your debut at Sunderland it was my first start first start first start my debut was at Upton Park it was unbelievable I always remember that game Upton Park was when you came out half time wasn't it when we were losing 3-0 was it yeah I'd probably say the Euros 2004 as a whole really the first one yeah I think because until you did your foot I mean I think that tournament was I just loved it and obviously never got back to them heights for England in a tournament, but I just loved that time and just wanted to play every day, every minute and unfortunately it didn't pan out however you wanted.

47:37The best shirt you ever swapped? I never used to really swap that much, to be honest. If someone asked me to swap shirts, I'd swap. Have you kept any of the ones you swapped with? Yeah, they're actually in storage down there. I need to put them up. I've got obviously quite a few. Ronaldo, Messi, got some really top ones I always remember I swapped with Peter Schmeichel when he played for Man City when I was at Everton Who asked for that? You? One of my dad's mates used to think he was a goalkeeper and he was terrible so I swapped shirts with Schmeichel it was a massive shirt so after the game we went back to the local pub so he's got it on so you've got all these fellas pretending to take a penalty with no ball there and he's just dying with Schmeichel's shirt on so but yeah I got the ball from the Champions League final at Wembley and I got Messi Villa and Pezzo to sign it nice and this was the four goal scorers wow have you got in there it should be yeah oh you'll have to show us that the next question is what's your favourite piece of memorabilia but you just said something I don't think I don't think I can be beating can it no it's strange but I love the book you see the book in the middle the opus book opus book yeah I love that and we've got different things but I just think it's a great book I remember I don't know did David Gill give us all one or someone from the club give us one yeah I love that yeah

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