Sesko to United, Man City Charges & Son’s Legacy Bigger Than Kane? | Fan Debate Part 2

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1:58Manchester United make an offer to RB Leipzig for Sesko Oh God The striker favours Old Trafford Oh Don't act surprised Bet you're doing the Poznan at Oasis I bet Scholes would have done that as well I bet they wouldn't I think we smash Arsenal first game of this year For me, I want a price tag of at least£150 million No chance In fucking sack They've got the project in Highland. What they needed was your centre forward, ready to go. If he's 150, what's Highland? Well, you've only paid 50 for them, didn't you? How much do you get? Ambition for the season is to be 16th. That's the ambition. That's that.

2:42Hands off, that. Mainly down to Gary Neville's industry. Is that the same industry that you benefit from from coming on this show? Well, you've got to pick your battles, I guess. Who ever thought Carragher would defend Gary Neville so passionately? Because I'm getting paid by it.

3:05Thanks for joining us on the Fan Debate, brought to you by Skybet. This is part two of our season preview. Scolzi alongside me, as usual. Scolzi, we're just on the back of the off-season now. What was your favourite bit of the off-season, holiday-wise? I'm going on holiday. Yeah, I'm going on holiday, a bit of golf. You love to your golf, aren't you? Yeah, I love a bit of golf. Are you good at it? All right, I'm all right. How about you? Oh, I hate it. No, I meant holidays. Oh, holidays, I beat that, love it. Yeah, you can imagine what it was like. We'll leave it there. Right, so we'll be going through first.

3:43We've got to beat two here to Man City, Luke. Are you still getting over the Club World Cup? Because, I mean, we spoke to Rory, he said it's this big, huge, fantastic trophy. They're delighted to have won it. Are you devastated? You never? No. I mean, it would have been great to win, obviously, but I don't think it's going to make or break the off-season for me. But, yeah, I went out there. It was pretty cool. The atmosphere at the American game is a bit weird, to be honest. Nothing like we get over here. So, for me, it was just a reason not to make sure none of the games end up out there permanently.

4:10I don't want to see any games outside of England, to be honest. Do you think, sort of, what we all saw last season was Man City. We were all sort of, like, almost couldn't believe what was going on. We just don't expect that. from Pep's teams really more than sort of a Man City thing. The last time, or certainly his first season in English football, he didn't win a trophy. And then I'm looking at the stats here. He then went on to win 18 trophies in seven years. So you didn't win that trophy last season. I think we all know Pep's not going to be here for seven years, but are you expecting a big comeback from Manchester City next season?

4:42I think, yeah, I'm expecting a big comeback. The kind of second half of last season after the big rot, if you want to call it that. We were decent. We finished the season quite well. And I think it's a big rebuild. now. It reminds me a lot of the 2017-18 season where we obviously went out and got quite a lot of players then. Brought in some big names. I like Rinders. Ike Norrie as well from Wolves. We know what he can do going forward. I think there's just going to be a lot more energy. Say it again. Come on, M. Boom. But yeah, I think we have got some good names coming in. Cherky as well. James Trafford to look to challenge Edison.

5:16I think there's a lot of change and transition but last time we had a season anywhere near this we went on to get 100 points. So I do it back. Near James Trafford levels. Ooh, a bit harsh that, Adam. We'll see where that comment gets you in a few months, mate. James Trafford isn't going to prove me wrong, is he? OK, mate, I think he will. But yeah, no, I'm confident for the new season. Do you think he's going to be your keeper? I think Edison will start as number one. I think by the end of the year, Edison will be on the way out and James Trafford will be number one. Edison's not been the same, has it?

5:45I think it didn't help. Well, obviously the whole team was pretty poor last season, but I think Edison generally, He had a lot of injury problems, so he's constantly in and out of the team. You never want that with a goalkeeper. You want a safe pair of hands, it's always there. So, yeah, I think last season wasn't his finest, but he got a backer, haven't you? Sorry, David. I always think of City and Pep at the start of a season. He almost uses the first five or six games as a pre-season, which is why they finished strong. You mentioned they finished strong, so you said they finished strong again last year.

6:18I'm not sure you can afford to do that now with the teams that are around, the likes of Liverpool, can you afford to take them first five or six games as a pre-season campaign, if you like, because have City had any pre-season games? We've got one against Palermo and that's it. We've had a couple behind closed doors ones. I know you've been over there, but you didn't. You weren't over there for long, were you? I think the break will help, though. I think we needed a break. The silver lining to going out was that we have such a long period of time to kind of just relax and all the players got a month off.

6:49Obviously, like you said, only one or two pre-season games. It's not going to be a fast start. It never really is with Pep. I just worry you can't afford that, especially when you're chasing again. You always think, if we lost the league, you think the next year, right at the start, we've got to be going straight away. You've got to be ready. Now, I know that's not the way Pep does it. I'll come up with me to question what Pep does. It just doesn't feel the right thing. Chelsea will be better prepared for the new season than perhaps City will, because there has been no break. There's been no breaking there.

7:19I think they'll burn out, though. That was the first city. How long will it be? Will it be a month from when Chelsea... Because, again, they haven't had another game, have they? Yeah, I think Chelsea will start well, and then I think they'll burn out by Christmas time because they're going to have that many games in a row. Is the word... Listen, I didn't watch a lot of the Club World Cup, but I've seen the goals that you conceded in the game that you went out to the team from, I think it was... Oh, hello. Yeah. But it was a lot of what was wrong with last season. You saw City having problems last season.

7:50It was getting done on the counter-attacking and getting huge problems. Was that a worry for you? Is that a worry for you going into this season? Because if that doesn't get fit, you can't win the league. No, it was a really bad performance. It was the transitions, it was the counters that just ruined us all game. But we did look so good in the game before against Juventus. So for me, I'm not really going to judge one game and say, we're finished, we're not going to be good enough or whatever. It was a bit concerning to see that again after kind of a good start But I think we'll be alright I really do think we'll be alright I don't think enough is mentioned about goalkeepers You think of the best team Look at the best team last year with Liverpool The best goalkeeper in the world I think when you were in the league Edison was up there I don't think he was ever quite at Alisson's level But I'd say he was a top keeper Now I don't think that Edison worries me for City and again as Adam says I don't think James Trafford from his experience in the Premier League when he was in it the first time great with his feet brilliant but I think your feet I know it's a big part of it these days but I think it does be secondary you start to be a presence in the goal I'm looking at Alisson and I think I don't know how to score past him I think every other keeper in the Premier League I think could score past him when you think of Man United started winning leagues when they...

9:10Schmeichel. I think of Everton as a kid, Neville Southall. You know, you change a keeper, Pep wrote Bravo. Bravo. But as soon as you brought Edison, you start to win the league. Liverpool bring Alisson, they start winning the league. Chelsea start winning the league when they bring Pesce Cech in. He scores you spot on and I think there probably is something in that about the goalkeeping situation. And that's why, I know Rory's not here, but no matter what Chelsea have done or what they spend, they can't win the league. Has anyone got a goalkeeper to win the league? I do agree. You were a mess last year goalkeeper-wise, weren't you?

9:40You didn't know who was going to play. In and out, you don't know what was going on. I think this will help because he's 22. He conceded 15, 16 goals all season. I know it's the Championship. He kept 30-odd clean sheets. I know, like I said, it's the Championship. He's beefed out a lot since he was in the Premier League. That's what I say. It is about his presence. He's not even thinking he's the best golfer. Goalkeeper, you just... I was with Peter Schmeichel every day, watching him and thinking, I'm not going to score past him. I'd look at, I don't want to be disrespectful to Jennifer, but I'd look at anything.

10:11You think that's a bit of a problem? I can understand that, but I think maybe psychologically in your head you're thinking about the last time he was in the Prem or a couple of years ago. I think when you watch him when he is playing for City, and I don't think any City fans will disagree with this. I don't think he's going to come in and be the starting goalkeeper straight away. I think he's there. He's going to be a big presence to challenge Edison. And I think in a year's time he will have the number one spot to himself because I think Edison will probably... I think in a year's time you're bad at a new goalkeeper.

10:36You do. If Liverpool signed James Trafford, you'd be buzzing. I wouldn't. I really wouldn't. You would. I know we haven't got a great goalkeeper, so I'm an expert. What about Rodri now as well? He came back for the Club World Cup, played a couple of games, 60-odd minutes, and then he's just returned to training yesterday. So I'd hope in a couple of weeks for the stats. He will make a big difference, won't he? Yeah, definitely. I don't think you can underestimate the goalkeeper position. Luke, I know we bring it up every time we're on the show, but I'm going to go to you, Martin. Where are we up to right now?

11:06on the 115 charges. It feels to me, it's a bit like Brexit, where it just goes on that long. Everyone's just bored of it. Even if, you know, it's just, is it going to come to an end this? Will it ever come to an end? I mean, I can't believe that it hasn't already come to an end. And, you know, I don't think anybody would predict it was going to last this long. I noticed that actually the Premier League brought a new rule book last week where they said that the judges are going to sit on arbitration panels, have to say in writing that they can dedicate the necessary time and diligence to doing these tribunals.

11:45And I just wonder if that, it didn't explain why, but I wonder if that is a factor here, that perhaps the people sitting on this panel, the three people, they've got other commitments maybe, which has delayed things. I don't know that. But some people have said to me, the reason it's taking so long means that serious charges have been proven. other people have said the reason it's taken so long is that they you know the serious charges haven't been proven i don't think we can read anything into it but as daniel leaving so is it just down to sort of the people involved in terms of the judges or is there anyone you can point a finger at why it's taken so long it is it is now just down to the three judges or retired judges sitting on this panel um they finished the hearing in december and so you know eight months now and I mean, it is the most serious, huge case of its kind that English football has ever seen.

12:38So you can understand why they want to be absolutely certain on every single factor. And there's so many different alleged rule breaches, you know, 115, that they want to make absolutely sure that their decisions are watertight. So you can see why it's going to take a long time. But this long, and as Daniel Levy said to Gary Neville a couple of days ago, it's not good for the Premier League. All the clubs, they want it finished one way or the other. You're supporting us, aren't you? What's that? You're supporting us, aren't you? I bet you're doing the Poznan at Oasis. Where are we going here? Oh, Turnabout Oasis?

13:16I didn't, actually. I bet you did, mate. I bet you did. Have you been? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was good, wasn't it? Yeah, it was good. Pep was there as well, wasn't it? Yeah, I've seen that, yeah. I didn't think Heaton Park was for me I thought more Wembley Where were you? Yeah Heaton Park Okay yeah good Good top stuff yeah Do you have Poznan? Singing along? Yeah Poznan yeah I bet Scholes would have done that as well I bet he wouldn't

13:46Adam Man United We do this show every season There's always that optimism With a few new signings you make the case for it being another good season. I'm just an optimist, isn't it? I'm always going to be that way, especially in pre-season after I get back a little bit tipsy from wherever we've been. So, yeah, usual for me to be optimistic. But I think being in and around the team and the camp and stuff and seeing how Amirim is with the support staff that he's got there, Wilcox and Barada and stuff, I think there's clearly a more collaborative effort going on at Manchester United. and it's clear that everyone seems to be on the same page.

14:25I think with our squad as well, look, we've got some big gaps in there. I think we need a striker, I think we need to sort out that midfield and we definitely need a goalkeeper. We're talking with Luke about their goalkeeper situation. United have a similar urgency to address that. Take Dubrovka again if you want. No, thanks. We don't want to be helping you. We need help. But, yeah, I look at that squad and I think we haven't got any players that are injured, like, that we're waiting for to come back from a World Cup. We've kind of had the full squad together, even some of those injured players that haven't been able to play have been over there with the team.

15:02And it does feel like, for once, we haven't got... Because we spoke to a few players, Luke Shaw, we spoke to Paddy Dorghi, we spoke to Lenny Yarrow, and they were all kind of saying there's no stragglers here. They were all kind of on that same page and it feels like everyone's moving in the right direction. but of course you have to get results and you have to get results early on in the campaign. Who do you think he was aiming the stragglers comment? I saw that, Luke Shaw. Yeah, I mean, he's one of them. I've got to say, he was himself. He's not played a game for two years, are you? Yeah, he's one of them but I think obviously the group that was left out, Anthony Sancho, Rashford, the thing with Luke Shaw is his issue is he's injured and he's on big wages.

15:39I don't think he's ever been probably a problem in terms of his attitude and stuff in and around the training camp. And when he's fit, he is one of the very best. Yeah. But I think, again, he's becoming a left centre-back now because he can't do that left wing-back. Yeah, he has to be. There's no way he can get up and down a pitch. But I was impressed with Patrick Dorgue over there, actually, in the way he performed in there. Obviously, he's a raw talent. And I think last season, people were quite harsh on him and some of his performances. What about the new lead, Adam? What was he like, the new left-back?

16:12Diego Leon. Yeah. He's very raw, very young. but again he has some potential there and some ability and I think he's suited to that role. I think Kabi Meno looks different. He's obviously bulked up a little bit. He looks like he's on that Leon Goretzka diet. I thought he looked fitter. Yeah, he looks a bit fitter. And the manager spoke about... To be fair, I think they all looked a little bit fitter. I think it was like a rule that they had to come back in a certain condition by the looks of all of them. And the manager spoke about him. He said he thinks he's hugely talented and he's got massive potential and stuff, but he mentioned him kind of walking through games at times and I think he wants to demand that physical...

16:52I think that's his demeanour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's too good. He just looks like that, doesn't he? I think he... We spoke last year about what they probably lack in the midfield there is that controlling midfield player and I thought that was going to be him. It seems like it's a little bit confused now. Can he be that midfield? Fernandes? No, sorry, Cobbemainu. Can he be that midfielder who can play in a two? But he'll obviously need a lot of legs. Or is he now one of the tens? I'm just confused. Where will Bruno Fernandes play? I think part of the front three. I think depending on what happens with our striker situation, I think you look at the market and it's ridiculous at the moment.

17:33I mean, I don't fancy any of the strikers that are kind of out there. I mean, when you look at the price tags and the likes of Sesco, It's like, what has he done to justify£80,£90 million? It's just absolutely ridiculous. But I wouldn't be surprised to either see an Embuemo go through the middle, or Embuemo, whatever you want to call him, and then Bruno maybe become part of that front three. Or even, do you remember in the Cup, I know it was under Tenag, but in the Cup final we played Bruno kind of like a false nine. I wouldn't be surprised to see that. Because he's your best player, he almost was a little bit like Steven Gerrard with us, where you almost, you want him in every position.

18:07you know because he what Scoles is saying United lack in terms of a controller in midfield he's not that but he can handle the ball better than your central midfield and then you still want him in that position as well but just thinking because you've obviously bought those two players for those attacking number 10 positions haven't you sort of you know cutting inside on Cunha on the left and Buehimo on the right but even though he is your best player I almost think I'm not quite sure the system suits him he's not amazing and you don't really want him sent to midfield. And it's probably more suited between the lines, but he runs all over the place, doesn't he?

18:44Do you understand what I mean? Yeah, exactly. You'd think in an ideal world, he's perfect for one of these two tens that he plays, but because he doesn't have discipline to play in that position, he's everywhere. But it's because he's needed everywhere. Maybe if you sign a better midfield player, or Cobby Man, who sits back into that midfield role and starts to dictate, then it might become a bit easy. he won't have to be here, there and everywhere. Jamie's right, he just, he has to do everything because I don't think there's equality around him. Yeah, I think that comes from frustration from him as well.

19:16Obviously, he wears his heart on his sleeve sometimes. It gets the better of him, I think, at times. But I do think that's more necessity rather than him being ill-disciplined because I think tactically he works quite well with managers. I, though, kind of had the feeling United probably wouldn't have minded him accepting the move to Saudi, you know. It did kind of feel like, I don't think they were going to force him out of the club. I think he's the club captain and I think he's a fantastic player. And I'm personally happy that he stayed. But I wouldn't have been surprised if United were kind of going.

19:45He might shift if they didn't have him now, though. Yeah, I know. Was it 100 mil that he got offered? Well, I don't think an offer ever got made because he didn't seem keen on really leaving. But I think he probably could. I think you're right, Adam. What you said right at the very start, there's still big gaps. It feels promising with the two forwards. They look exciting. and Hoyland's not going to play, is it? If them three... He didn't start him in the last one. No, that's what I mean. The three of them, they look quite good together. I'm not sure how that will work. I still think they'll be all over the place a little bit, but there's still gaps in the team.

20:18That midfield's the big one for me, because I'm not sure about... Legs and quality and control, definitely. I think the goalkeeper, we mentioned the goalkeeper. Goalkeepers are a massive... I think United, we were talking about, we thought about goalkeeper Schmeichel. It took us ages to replace him. Van der Sar was like five or six years down the line. I think whether they're just going to hope for one reason or another that he comes good, I don't know. It's mad to think Tom Eaton's our best keeper. He can't do anything defensively. He's our best keeper. He's mad to think that. They've already got five or six centre-halves on big contracts.

20:52Why did he go? I don't know why United went for O 'Nana. They were going to concede so many chances. They've gone for a ball-playing goal. We bought him as a ball-playing goalkeeper. but then we decided to get him, like, lobbing the ball. He would have been better off. No, he'd have been that great on the ball, though, has he? Genuinely better. You'd have been better. Yeah, the amount of... No, we wouldn't have been... Mate, you were at the cup final. You saw what De Gea did. He wouldn't go on the glove that year. Mate, he chucked it in in a cup final. You can't be... Do you think enough's been done to sort of transform what we saw throughout the entire season last year to transform into what's good for United next year?

21:29I don't think you could do that in one window, Flav. I think they've started and they've started with the forward area the pitch was the biggest problem they couldn't create a chance they couldn't score goals yeah yeah but I think if he doesn't get it right early on then Amarin's potentially in trouble I think he's going to be given a lot of time I do as well I get that feeling that he's under no pressure if they're 14 is one of the reasons why shut up not so much giving him time from the ball but the fans like there's something about Amarin when he speaks the way he looks the way he comes across it makes you believe you know when you see him interviewed I think he's a mustard man yeah exactly so you like him because he comes but the results have been awful awful I think we kind of understand that and look they should have been better than they were they should have been better than they were but we kind of understand the situation he got the job in and I also think Ratcliffe and everyone behind him was probably like expecting it as well not as bad as it was we should have been higher at the table in the top 10 for sure and we should have been better in the European final but he has been dealing we think like you look at Garnaccio I'm really disappointed with the situation someone that scores an FA Youth Cup Final scores an FA Cup Final comes through the academy and he just turns into this little knobhead and it's like what score do you know what I mean you can't have those in the dressing room you can't have that in the dressing room and I think we were impacted by time wasters in the dressing room and I think it's a lot easier for a manager to get his message across now to a dressing room full of players that actually want to be there whether we want them there or not a dressing room full of players there and we've got one game a week I know we'd rather be in the Champions League we'd rather have beat Spurs but I think one game a week's important as well because we were kind of talking about City's pre-season going into the season now the demands aren't on us to win the league and I think the manager will be using those early few weeks as time to get his message across again and he showed last season when he had a week or 10 days to train the players and coach the players for a game we did well I think we beat City we went and got a good result at the Emirates in the Cup So I think we smash Arsenal first game of this season.

23:33Where do you think you're finished? Scolzi, what is realistic this season? What's a successful season for the manager this season? I was just going to ask Adam the same thing. It's a tricky one, isn't it? From being so bad last year. Now, look, seasons can change. We see, as you mentioned before, your season for Forrest has. It doesn't have to take five to ten years to get back where you want to be. I still think there's issues, although it's looking better I still think there are issues with the team as we mentioned the midfielder we don't want to go through it again top six, I think top six would be more than acceptable as much as you don't want to say that I always think Man should have the very best aim for the very best, aim for the highest I'm just not sure I think there's too many good teams now I think your Liverpools, your Citys, your Chelsea's are on the up.

24:26Arsenal, I didn't even mention, Aston Villas, Newcastle. I think there's a lot of competition now to get in that top six. I think United are more than capable of challenging, not probably Champions League positions, but no chance, but in terms of being around... What you want to do is get close to them by February, March because you never know someone might have a bad season, you've seen teams kind of drop in and out. But I think the main thing for us is to actually feel like we're progressing and feel like the team is getting better because there's been times in the past where we have We only have to finish 14th.

24:57Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I'm on about on the pitch. Show me something on the pitch. I want to see this team developing and getting better. So then we can go, yeah, actually, if you add those two or three players into it, they will get top four. They will be able to challenge for the league. So I think progression on the pitch and the way we're playing and the way it feels, I think is more important. Because there have been times when we've got top four, but it's felt crap. And we've known it's felt like that. And it's not really felt like a top four. There's a lot of very good players. last season was it was unacceptable really wasn't it but I felt like there was an acceptance to it the last three months I said we're just going to get beat nobody seems that bothered about it now that can obviously can't start the season with that attitude there's got to be more pressure of course there is but like he says I think he will get time and I think he started when you try and rebuild teams I think most start from the back going forward I think we've started from the front because that was obviously the biggest issue we've got a defence and a goalkeeper that might concede goals and if we can't score a goal at the other end we've got no chance so it gives more chance of winning games I think that first game of the season it almost feels like going into the season in terms of managers there's going to be a lot of pressure on Aysen Amarim because it didn't go particularly well last season but also Arteta for different reasons that okay it's almost he's got to win something I just feel that first game for both managers I know it's one game and it's the first game it's the first game No but it will be on Sky we'll build it up and I think for someone to lose that game will be a real big blow for them.

26:25I've said it since officially it's come out, we beat them. Mm.

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28:35Adam, one team you didn't beat from North London at the end of last season was Spurs. So, Flav, I'm going to come to you. Yes. On the back of the euphoric celebrations and emotion, were Spurs right to get rid of Ange Postacoglu? Yeah, so I said something. Sell out you, Omar. No, I mean, yeah, I am. I appreciate that. But just after the win and the glory of it, it felt just so cruel. And just the complete opposite of what it means to be glorious in football is the sack of man who's just delivered us a European trophy. First significant trophy in 40 years. However, in the cold light of day, a week later, you're starting to think, we were terrible.

29:17And you were saying it for that two years, how bad we were. and I wouldn't believe it. But when you look back at it, you just can't be that easy to beat. You can't give up on a domestic campaign in February with the idea of winning the Europa League. It's not sustainable. So Daniel Levy was correct. You even got beat the game after, didn't you? You got battered, didn't you? What, last game of the season? About eight in at all? Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. We'd go to games and you're just like, how many are we going to get beat by today? And it almost, you didn't feel anything by the end. You can't go to a game, you mentioned it, Man United.

29:47That's what we were like. It's a bizarre feeling. It doesn't matter that we keep getting beat because we've got Bodo Glimpse on Thursday. You can't operate like that. So, probably right. I mean, listen, he's your owner. We talk about him a lot, Daniel Levy. And I think he made the right decision. And what I found a little bit contradictory was a little bit of a lot of people saying, I can't believe he sacked him. But then people all last season were saying, we can't believe Man United kept Derek Tanag. And he won a trophy. It was almost like we're having one argument for Tottenham and maybe people feeling a little bit sympathetic towards Ange.

30:23The easy decision for Daniel Levy, or the easy thing to just believe Ange there, he gets no criticism. The other thing to do was to sack him. He's probably going to get more criticism, but it was the right decision. That was Daniel Levy, I think, making a really good decision for the benefit of the club. Daniel Levy is elite at taking all emotion and sometimes joy out the game and making the right sensible decision for the football club. Whether that is in line with how supporters feel is another conversation altogether. But, yeah, no doubt he probably did make the right decision. He can't bring in people like Ben Katesham and Lange who have opinions on how we progress and ignore those people.

31:03So I think it was a universal decision to get rid of him. You kind of heard that from the interview you mentioned earlier about what Gary did with Daniel Levy. that there's a different approach to what Tottenham need to do next year and finishing 17th just cannot. The amount of money that's spent on that squad and the amount of money it costs to go and watch Tottenham, you can't go in there getting battered by Leicester and Ipswich in the season. What would the feeling be with Tottenham supporters around the new manager in terms of what he has to do this season? Because, you know, people won't remember Anishvift finishing, what was it, 16th?

31:3617th. 17th. They'll remember Europa League and that will almost, I mean, the best thing that happens in terms of winning that and just going straight away, that will always be, you know, the mindset of supporters. Will that make it more difficult in some way for Thomas Frank coming in? No, I think the league form makes it a brilliant position for him to come in because you're going to see a significant uptick, you'd imagine, in how we performed in the league, how difficult we were going to be to beat. And what we've found thus far, I think maybe some people might have been a little bit hesitant about bringing Thomas Frank in because it's such a shift from Poster Coglu.

32:10but it was a necessary shift and that kind of sensible pragmatic approach to gaining percentages where Poster Cogli seemed to be indifferent to like corners and set pieces and we know how good Frank has been at Brentford at making them effective at set pieces you know there was a moment after Arsenal beat us and there was two corners that went in and Andrew's asked about set pieces and then he was like we've got bigger problems to fix we're not worried about that in the moment and as a fan your alarm bells a little bit are going so Frank's come in like how do I find these percentages these margins that Posso Coglu ignored and including you know a few quality signings how do we make a better fist of it next season and I feel really confident I always do but I feel really confident I think we're definitely going to finish above United and 100 % 100 % difficult to do that because we're going to finish first so well but And I'm saying Spurs are going to finish fifth.

33:07And I feel confident about that. I don't feel like it's hard to come on here and say something stupid so it gets clipped up. I generally think fifth could be achievable at the top. A man who won't be involved in that is Son. I think he's one of those players who... A bit like you, Scolese, everybody likes. You know, one of them players in the premium going, even if he plays for the rival, Son, you're like, you didn't like Scolese, Baz, no? I love Scolese. I would forgive Sean for the tackle on Gomez but that's it I'll behave Pickford's on Van Dijk there we go but Sculls I want to ask you he hasn't won the biggest of trophies you know like sort of Champions Leagues or Leagues or things like that but how where would you rate him in sort of like the last decade or so in terms of attacking players in the Premier League one of the best I think obviously had a little bit of a drop off the last year, 18 months or so, picked up a bit of injury, but age does that to you, doesn't it?

34:07I think, I was always surprised, Jamie, when Tottenham had a good team, you had Harry Kane, and I try to think of other forwards, you had maybe Dele Alli was in that era as well, and him, he was never linked with going away to a bigger club, and I thought, well, what's going on there? Because every time I saw him, I thought, he's brilliant, scoring goals at City, you know, when City were a good team... Every game he scored. he's quick he scored goals he could play left right he could play through the middle I never understood why it wasn't like it was Man United going in for him with the bigger teams the Real Madrid the Barcelona I really felt he was that good I think it's happened into one of the reasons why Spurs fans consider Hermann Son to be a legend 100 % and I think I speak for most Spurs fans that say if you had you have to choose one between who is a legend at Tottenham was it Harry Kane or Humin Son?

35:00It would be Son. And it was, like you say, you were tapping in. That's only because Harry Kane's left, though, isn't it? Exactly, right? So the moment, there was a period, mainly down to Gary Neville's industry, and he did, I don't know how this interview even took place, and I'd love to find out. Is that the same industry that you benefit from from coming on this show? Well, you've got to pick your back up. Who ever thought Carragher would defend Gary Neville so personally? I would like to know who's that. Yes. But whatever it was, in my opinion, it was unprofessional behaviour by Harry Kane and he should never have done that interview.

35:37I appreciate his newsworthy, but it shouldn't have happened. And so we were in a situation where our greatest ever player arguably wanted out to join Manchester City. It's fair enough, maybe matching a team that's equivalent to his abilities is a fair thing for him to want to do. But in that same moment where we felt like we were losing Harry Kane, Humin Son signed a new contract from nowhere. and the reason why no other bigger club came in for Humin Son isn't because he wasn't good enough he was under contract and sometimes players are available and they're not that doesn't matter well it mattered here because he was never in any way you think anybody ever came for him came in for him no one would want Humin Son in 10 years of being at Spurs surely they would I just think Levy wouldn't answer the knock at the door it's the same with Harry Kane we had no chance of signing it wasn't even entertained was it yeah it would be the same with Son surely yeah and whatever it is he stayed when Harry Kane wanted to leave and he was a you mentioned about him being through part of that team with Dele Alli Eriksson Son and Kane that was one part of his time at Spurs there was a middle part where it was just him and Kane as that front two under Conte and Mourinho and they were prolific Kane leaves and then it's just him and he stayed and he won us a trophy and I get outside people might sniff at that but as a narrative around a player who stayed with us for 10 years as good as him to win a trophy at the end as well as staying in a time where we needed him that's all you need to be a legend it's the way he handles himself as well it just comes across he's a good legend he's almost leaving in the right way as well literally wins a fan base over half of our fan base have turned against Isak at the minute because of what's happened you look at that with Son Son's just stuck his guns and that's why he's a legend I think that's a really interesting thing in terms of players agitate for a move maybe they get that move they win the trophies but the feeling around them isn't the same.

37:28I'm not saying one's more than the other because sometimes you look at a player and he's got out of a club and he's gone on to win whatever he's won. Maybe even look at someone like who's just come to mind. Maybe Teddy Sheringham was at Tottenham for a long time. Then he goes to Man United. I don't know if it was a problem. But what I'm saying is he then wins what he does at United. But it's that feeling lost at Tottenham. Do you understand what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Teddy Sheringham was a legend at Spurs and went to Man United and really sullied it. he won the lock, well done. But he could argue that, I'm not saying one's right or the other.

37:59As an individual, he made the right decision and so did Kane. I'm not waiting in that. But as a football fan, the minute a player agitates the move or achieves a move, then their legacy, in my opinion... Sometimes it's not always the player's fault, is it? That he has to agitate for a move. Let's say that he sat one for example, that maybe Liverpool's been chasing him for a while and they're waiting for him to put a bid in and they put the bid in and thought, yeah, great, they're going to accept it, or they're not going to accept it, obviously they don't accept it, then he's probably getting pressure from Liverpool to say, right, we now need you to go in and try and be a bit naughty about it, try and agitate for a move.

38:41That's just what happens. And that pressure's on Isak then from the club where he wants to go. He clearly wants to go and play for. I think we should just bring it in. Joe, Newcastle fan, this is your debut. Thanks for joining us. Pleasure. I think you've started us off on the one that gets me really, really hated by a lot of Newcastle fans, I suppose. Before Isak disappeared to Spain, before all of that situation of not wanting to travel to Singapore, I think personally Isak was justified and I know there's a lot of Newcastle fans out there who sit there and go, no player's bigger than the club and I don't think it even needs to come to that argument.

39:14Majority of, and this goes even further than Newcastle fans, there's many football fans out there who'll rate Isak like he's the best striker in the world and if that's the case, why is he on less wages than the likes of a Jack Grealish who barely plays? Why is he not getting the money that he deserves? And I personally think at first when he came out... But do you mean, well, is that Newcastle now? Yeah, yeah. Because when he came, he wasn't the best in the world. No, then he wasn't, but I think, I said this last season, I went, before this season ends, we need to be putting bigger wages on, if we expect to keep him happy.

39:44I think he deserves it. Do I think he deserves 300 ,000, 350 ,000 a week? Maybe not, but I think what's wrong with negotiating the£250 ,000 contract now though, as bringing up the likely conversation there now that he's chucked his dummy out of the prime and all his toys and we've seen when the clubs came back everyone's been given a day off and Isak's been in training by himself that's punishment, no way about it It's not so much about the money though is it? Because Newcastle will be afforded to give him that£250,£300 they'll be able to give him the same wage as Liverpool but if he goes to Liverpool, he's winning trophies I think we've just got to clarify I think what he's talking about what happened with him was there's a feeling that when Amanda Stavely was there I think about 12 months ago they've moved on because he'd made such a good start and he signed a five-year contract or something he's probably on good dough but not amazing dough because he's not this world class once he's become that I think he was told that your wage is going to go they then left the club and then they had the PSR issues and then I think the sporting director from last year Mitchell came in and was a bit like we can't afford to put him on £250 ,000,£300 ,000 a week remember last summer Newcastle were sort of players were coming in and out so I think so he's still got a be in his bonnet about that when you read between the lines so that's where you're saying you've got Saturdays you would though wouldn't you as a player you would I think when you say that about trophies I know you don't really appreciate the Carabao Cup Paul but the trophies I do now he won I do now because he might win it next season but for me like Isak won that trophy and he was dead proud.

41:19You've seen how happy he was and I think he knew in his mind and again it goes back to the Paul Mitchell conversation. What's happened behind the scenes where Isak has been all of a sudden told, right, you're not getting the money to make Isak unhappy? The back end of that season he seemed like one of the happiest players on our squad. He's celebrating. He's coming out talking about so much. He was in a great position and all he really needed was that bump in wages and now he hasn't received that and I kind of understand... I didn't realise it. I didn't know that was a coach. I get it. It's also the draw of Liverpool as well.

41:47It's not just the wages. Exactly. I get that. It's Liverpool. It's a bigger club, if you will. They've just won the Premier League. It's not so much the club, it's the chance of winning trophies. Well, I think for Isak, you could win the Premier League, you could win the Champions League. Would I want to sit here and say as a hot take, are Newcastle going to win the Champions League? I would love to say that. And forget about the transfer window that we're having at the moment. I would love to say that. Is it going to happen? No, it's not realistic. Isak's looking at it, and he goes to, say, a Man City or a Liverpool, and he goes, well, I could win the Champions League with them, become this world star and really become the next Ibrahimovic, say, like he was pipped to be.

42:30He was going to be that next big star. It's a horrible, horrible situation to be in. It's obviously because it looks like he's going to Liverpool, my team. I've never been, well, the two of us haven't been, we've never been involved in a transfer. but I'd hate to think I would act like that I'm talking about players trying to get out of clubs whether you're saying you're injured and you're not or you don't turn off a train I'm 99.9 % certain I don't think I would ever do that that club have brought you over they're paying your wages you're a god to the supporters I mean I know you mentioned the Carabao Cup last season about Newcastle and that but for Newcastle fans that's like winning the Champions League you haven't won a trophy for 70 what was it 70, 80 years.

43:1770 years, yeah. So he is a god. And when I go back to sort of the Tottenham thing with Son, I'm not saying he shouldn't want to move. I can understand them saying to Eddie Howe, listen, I've been amazing. You can get a big fee for me. Liverpool's another level. They're not happy to be in the Champions League. They want to win the league, the Champions League. I get that. But I don't think he's conducted himself really well. And he's going to lose that love that he's had. And that will last a lifetime. Those Newcastle fans will never forget it. In that situation. So I'm almost disappointed a little bit with that.

43:47But what I would say is, and I've had this at Liverpool, and sometimes a player outgrows the team. You're a team who will fight for the Champions League to qualify. He's probably can play in a team who can win it. And when that gap becomes too big, that's when you've got a problem as a player. And it happened to me with us at Liverpool, with Steven Gerrard. But we were lucky that he was a Liverpool fan and he was from the city. if Steven Gerrard wasn't a Liverpool fan he'd have left because he was there and the team was there now when Rafa Benitez came in we won a Champions League got to another final we had a really good team and we were sort of there but we had Alonso, Torres, Mascherano as soon as our level dropped they left because they were world class players but we weren't a world class team and that's the problem you're always having that's the problem with Kane, with Tottenham and that's the problem Newcastle have got right now almost he's actually become too good in some ways where it's like he's thinking, this is not my level.

44:48So I understand he wants to move. I don't think people should have a go at him for that. But I don't think this thing about not turning up the train or not going to 3C stage. Which is why I'm trying to defend him for kicking up a fuss. Now, I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. And I think it's very difficult for me and James to say we'd never kick up a fuss because we're at the clubs of our dreams, or really, do you know what I mean? Now, I don't think we can... Well, we are, aren't we? No, he's an Everton fan. He's given me a look. He's seen it. The second club of his dreams. So if Everton came, then he might kick up a fuss.

45:27He would, of course. So it's very difficult to say we wouldn't kick up a fuss. If it weren't... Look, I love Newcastle. Newcastle, brilliant club. I love playing there. It was brilliant. But Liverpool, you've got to think of the lad's career as well. and he wants to win. So it's all right saying 300 grand a week and 250 grand a week. Brilliant, but when you look back at the end of your career, you want to see the medals you've won as well and he's got a much better chance of winning the proper trophies at Liverpool. So you know, that's where I think a lot of our fans are starting to get themselves a little bit lost and they're living in this sort of grandeur.

46:01I'm going to get slated when I go back to Newcastle. This grandeur, they're going to be putting us on her top. This grandeur, with that, right, we've won the first cup, this is the beginning. Now, next year we'll win the FA Cup and then the year after that we'll win the Champions League because we'll stay in the Champions League and then we'll win the Premier League. This isn't how it's going to go down and Isak's looking at that. Isak's at the age now where he wants to go, right, how do I want to spend the next four years, which are potentially peak years, how do I want to spend the next four years of my career?

46:30Do I want to be fighting to get back into the Champions League or do I want to be fighting to get into the final of the Champions League onto that podium? So I do understand that. I do get them with that I think what a lot of fans look at is the likes like Bruno and Joe Linton who have sort of literally painted themselves black and white to the very core of the veins and they think every single player should do that and like you just said there if you're at the club of your dreams you will but the point you've just made I think it's an interesting point those players are top players yeah ran all over Liverpool in the cup final but they haven't outgrown Newcastle where they're like they're a lot better than your team I think Bruno's got an argument there I think maybe I think you're saying in the best position Bruno's a brilliant player Yep Is he the best midfield player in the world We're talking about Ezek is the best centre forward in the world Who, Tonali?

47:17Tonali Do you think it would be better for Newcastle to sell Ezek in this window? Putting my neck on the line here Look, I think if we were able to get the right fee for him What is that? I was saying this For me, I want a price tag of at least£150 million No chance In foot and back in for Isak. No chance. Serious. I wouldn't want Liverpool to pay£150 million for him. Would you, if he has a one for you though, right, and like any Liverpool fans, I wonder what the take is on this way. If you, before Isak kicked up the fuss and done everything he'd done, fresh off the end of the season and you got told you need to pay£150 million, you just haven't bought a critique here yet, you need to pay£150 million for Isak, are you then paying it?

48:00That's a really good point and the reason I'm talking about the£150 million, for me, I said it to the lads to Liverpool fan before Robbo that the fact Liverpool have spent £80 million on a striker already I'm like you can't have like a backup it just feels £80 million on a backup striker but I get what you're saying if Liverpool hadn't bought as a TK I'd maybe say I'll just do it but there's something about it now £150 million for me I said before it feels like you're getting Mbappé for that I think he's amazing but I'm thinking £150 million it's like wow You're paying for his growth. I think, look, that feels...

48:38How far did you go? If someone says... He's not growing to R9 to be worth£150 million. What's Harland? £150, what's Harland? It's also unpriced. You usually paid£50, didn't you? How much? Oh, everyone got weighed in. But no, honestly, for me, would I sell Isak? No, personally, I want by the end of the summer transfer window for Isak to be on a new higher-wage contract, guaranteed that he's going to be out there fighting for trophies. He ain't going to sign a new contract. He won't sign a new contract. I don't think that's going to happen now. Newcastle should adamantly refuse to sell under no circumstances and say, you are under contract, you have to play next season.

49:19He's not going to just pack himself while I'm not playing. Force him to show the muscle. Newcastle fans, they never stop telling us how big a football club they are. Act like it and force him to say, I'm not saying you aren't huge, but you've got to act like it. Supporters can. I mean, I'm sure at the moment Newcastle fans are going mad. We had a situation with Suarez where he wanted to go to Arsenal. The next season, he had his best season of his life. And the fans still love him. And love him. So it can happen. What I wanted to ask you, though, you know the fact that Liverpool and Newcastle play each other so early in the season?

49:51So it's your first home game of the season. I can't see a deal being done before that. I think both clubs will just think, oh, no. But then what does happen then? are we going to have and now this is my issue when we talk about it and I will mirror exactly what you've just said there about we talk about being a bigger club we talk about this and this is where I look at a lot of our fans and I look at what we're doing in a minute and a lot of our fans are going on about how PSR's restricting where this is restricting where we were meant to have this summer window where it's our first green window where we can pay we can go out there and instead we're going out and low balling off as for the likes of Eketiki and we're putting in a£69 million bid and what Liverpool got over what James Trafford as well he was James Trafford were messed up that in Buemo were messed up that and I know a lot of Newcastle fans have totally overlooked this and I've got a lot of hate for this but personally I can't believe how long it took you to mention Rhian Shirky earlier you've got one of the best wingers and how much was it?

50:4539 million 25 25 even worse so all we had to do was realistically this club who's got tons of money go in there and turn around and go there's 40 million for Shirky and probably you've got him yeah? He's not going to go why would he go to Newcastle over City? because of the potential the potential of what's coming you're serving your best right the project well there's that side of it not willingly not willingly but that's what that's how that's why I feel like you look at the likes of Bruno Gordon Alanga most of the time when you talk about it how are we getting them players in because it baffles me don't get us wrong it baffles me and the whole reasoning is the project

51:28listen I know you're frustrated at the moment, it's been your debut fantastic, but I want to go to Ellen the next you're a Sunderland fan, are you quite enjoying what's going on here at Newcastle at the minute? It's mint I mean we've had nine years out of the Prem now and we've had nine years of like watching them getting taken over and watching them sign mint players and all of this and to have a window where we're actually on the front foot a bit, we're getting some good signings and it just all seems to be burning to the ground and collapsing, it's quite a nice juxtaposition to be in at the moment.

52:06I mean, we've had our fair share of our fans kind of turning up at the training ground and having a go, but then to see it from the flip side, it is, we're a bit boring at the moment, and it's weird. Like I was saying before, we've, it's been what, nine seasons of we are either in a promotion push or we are in a relegation battle. And don't get me wrong, that might be the case in two weeks' time. We might be having that conversation again. But right now, to be confident in our ownership, which we certainly weren't the last time we were in the Prem, to be mostly confident in what we've done in the transfer window so far, to sign Granit Xhaka, like, it's just, it's going well for us at the moment.

52:52Is that the signing you like most, Xhaka coming in? Because you've signed a lot of players, haven't you? Yeah, we've made some really, really good signings. I mean, for me, seeing us complete the deal on Enzo Lafie with how important he was for us last season, that is a great signing we've made. But I went to the... We played Real Betis in a friendly on Saturday. And just, I mean, Xhaka was just head and shoulders above everyone else on that pitch, watching him put in corners, just watching kind of the way he was able to talk to the young lads on the pitch and the direction he was giving them as well.

53:25We've been promoted with a very young team. We like bringing youth through. We've got the likes of Chris Rigg, who I can't wait to see play in the Premier League. I think it's going to be amazing. But we have got some very, very young lads in there. So to have that kind of confident captain, because Labrisa said he will be our captain next season, to have that confident captain giving them that direction on the pitch, but also in the dressing room, I think it's not only invaluable for our first season back in the Prem, but it's also a real statement of intent. We've signed him on a three-year contract.

54:00We're going, actually, we are Sunderland. Here's what we can do. Now we're back. Talk to us about the manager you've mentioned. He's obviously signed a contract as well in the last few days. He's obviously got you up. Is he a big hero? Is it all about him, really? He's a really funny one because he is a really big hero and everyone loves him and we all think he's fantastic, but he's just very kind of in his box and he takes each game as it comes and he just goes next one, next one, next one. We were on like an incredible run. I think we were within a point of being in the automatics last season and a journalist went to him like, oh, so how are we doing?

54:38Like, it's really great. The fans were all up for it. And he just went, it is good. And that was his comment on it. And that, again, quite nice not to have drama surrounding something that's going on at Sunderland. It's a manager who's just very much got his head in the game. He obviously wants to be here. He signed a contract till 2028. And he's just kind of ready to keep moving forward with the club and keep developing the plays we've got. It's a nice time to be a Sunderland fan, which I don't remember the last time we were able to say that. I think Sunderland are one of them teams. I'm delighted that he's a back.

55:12Because I always love, you know, the derby game feels massive. Oh, I'm so excited. Helena, do you fancy your chances? Knocking these down a peg or two, Champions League team? Look, whatever I say, he's going to bring up the cup game. And that is completely fair enough. I'd like, hands up, that was probably the worst I've seen us played. And that's including the five times in one season I went to watch us play Accrington Stanley. Like, that genuinely, it was a horrific game. It was the worst we'd looked that season. We were coming off the back of sacking... Was it last season or the season before?

55:47Season? Was it last season? It was season before. It wasn't last season, yeah. Yeah, because we were coming off the back of sacking Tony Mowbray and there was just a... We'd appointed Michael Beal who... I mean, I'm just not going to go there. But we were coming off the back of sacking this manager who was beloved. The fans were down and then all of a sudden it's like your phone explodes. Oh, my God, we've got the mags in the cup and you just have to switch your mindset. but in the league yeah I do fancy us it's six in a row for a reason you haven't beat us in the league in the last six times we've played you one thing I will remember though last season as well the lasses beat us twice and then we've beat you in the cup as well I get it in the league six in a row but that's how many years ago the league is a different animal completely to the count how many years ago was the last time we faced off in the league 20 oh god yeah No, because you were in the Championship that season.

56:44I don't think I'd even grown beyond that. Still waiting, actually. Because you were in the Championship, the year we went down, so what, we're looking, 2016, 2015, the last time we played each other? A lot's changed, you know. But a lot's changed for us as well. I mean, we talk about the fact we're back in the Prem. Yes, it's a very, very different league to the last time we were there. You guys are very different, but we are a completely different set-up. What goes on behind the scenes at Sunderland is a completely different set-up to what was going on back then. You look at the plays we've got in.

57:15I mean, even in those two seasons, we have completely different players to the ones you'll see on the pitch. Granted, bless his heart, because he saved us against Coventry and he got that header. Ballard will still be on the pitch and he did score that own goal against you guys. Yes, thankful. But we're a different team. and for so long it's been, look, someone hasn't scored in, I don't know, three months. Well, they're going to Sunderland next season. They're definitely going to put one past us. For so long it's been like, oh, well, it's Sunderland, so that's going to happen. When it comes to staying up this season, when it comes to kind of being the underdogs, that's where we thrive.

57:51Well, the team used to take a leaf out of their book in terms of staying up is a Brentford who came up a few years ago and have thrived ever since. Dave, we've got you on. It's your debut. Thanks for joining us. Pleasure. Is this one of the first summers where you've maybe been actually worried about Premier League survival? Because it feels like there's been an awful lot of change at Brentford this summer. There's been a huge amount of change, yeah. I think it's difficult to kind of speak with any kind of certainty about what's going to happen. You know, losing Thomas Frank to Tottenham, then losing Brian Mbumo, the knock-on effect from the Isaac drama is Yoann Wiese's doing exactly the same as his execk is Have Newcastle been unsettling on your striker?

58:37Yeah, yeah I mean, then we've been told off by the group, you know, Jim Reaper at Man United for sort of like not, you know, accepting derisory offers from Mbumo, so it's been Norgaard going to Arsenal it's been a churny summer which we've not been used to that it's been stable and we've literally reached a level where I think we're more than holding our own and I think it's unsettling some fans that could be about to change but I don't think so What was your reaction when it was announced Keith Andrews would be the manager? We were all itching our heads scratching our heads kind of going, surely not the free kick coach.

59:25But once the headline had worn off and you found out why Keith Andrews was originally brought in by the same team of people that scouted Thomas Frank and all that backroom staff that we've lost to Tottenham, those people identified something in Andrews that they liked and they thought that he had a big future in the game. And although they originally gave him that free-kick coach role, that doesn't really define him. So I think possibly that this has come a little bit earlier than they thought, but I think Thomas Frank was always going to be headhunted at some stage.

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1:01:49Baz, what's your feeling going into the season in terms of Everton? Moise, he sounded a little bit unhappy with his own board, a little bit not maybe getting deals done. I think a week ago we said that. It looks like you might have got a couple of players in now. The feel-good factor of last season of Moise coming back, has that eroded a little bit with the lack of players coming in? Because you've had a lot of players leave. First of all, someone was brilliant by the way, even though I said it. thank you it was quite a muted muted response when I was talking about not like that I've just been obviously he's been over in the US I've just been I've just been I've just been I've just been I've just been over over the last sort of 10 days or whatever he was a lot happier by the end of it than he was at the start of it because obviously things are moving but no I think I think Everton will be fine this year obviously he had 19 games last season he only lost 4 of them finished the season really strongly won a full on things like that so yeah I think we'll be fine I think it's looking positive he's brought in obviously young striker and things like that so they get the extra plays he still wants another four or five he said he needs ten and he's confident to do that so I think I think we'll be fine I think we'll be you know much better than we've been for the last few years I actually like the two he's trying to bring in we were seeing this morning haven't we Dewsbury Hall and the lead from Southampton Dibbling yeah yeah do you remember him against us at the start of last season?

1:03:14What a play. Now, lucky he was in a struggling team, wasn't he? But he looks a real talent. I think it's, when you look at the side, I think Tarkovsky and Brantway signing the new deal was huge. I think defensively, they're fine. I think it's, Duesbury All will give them a little bit in midfield. We've got a lot of workers in midfield, but no one who can put his foot on them will think he can. He wants another one in the right wing. And I've asked them this about three times. we need right wingers he's looking at two and obviously Dibling that's where Dibling could play they've looked up for Farner but I think he's hanging on to see if there's a Champions League club coming in so I think he needs two out there and then when you look Jack Grealish that could possibly still happen on loan so if he should have gets them in centre forward centre forward we've got Calvert Lewis obviously gone on he's a big lad he's done alright to fill a Real last year He's obviously got Beto.

1:04:12I personally think they'll look for another one on loan, an experienced one. Because he's not been happy with Beto, to be fair. He said it before the game against United. I actually thought he looked all right against us. He puts himself about. Playing us, though, yeah. No, I actually thought he looked decent. I liked Alcaraz. He was on loan last year, Alcaraz. Alcaraz, they signed him permanently. Yeah, I think. He's a good lad. I think they'll be fine. I think Everton will be pushing up they ended up 13th I think in the end which was almost a miracle after what the other fella the whole other fella had put them in A lot of the buzz is the new stadium as well isn't it?

1:04:53Of course I thought you said the buzzes I was going to say there's none of them have been laid on No trains, no buses, nice one Steve Yet there is a big buzz obviously about moving to the new ground as well I think there's been lots of changes and the managers alluded to this behind the scenes with the recruitment, you know, they got rid of the director of football and he's brought in a new CEO and all that. So things are moving in the right direction going into that new stadium. It's incredible. But you'd never know just how it's going to play out early on. But then again, we weren't exactly amazing at Goodison towards the end, so I know we picked it up a little bit.

1:05:30So there is the excitement there. What are you going to call the stadium? It's called the Hill Dickinson, isn't it? It doesn't roll off the tongue. It doesn't roll off the tongue, no, but, you know... Is there a shorter version? Is there anything that the Blues have come up with? I think people will just call it Bramney Moore, to be honest, which is what it was, but people are calling it the Hill Dickie or whatever else, there's lots of it. Any name, any name. There's a couple of dangerous names in that name. There is, that's why people aren't happy about it, you know, with that. But I think, listen, in them situations, it's whoever pays the money, isn't it?

1:06:03We'll see, but no, I'm feeling quite positive about it. OK, Simon? positivity around your team coming up. Isn't it great how everyone's positive before the season starts? Everyone is, yeah. There's always hope. Everyone, yeah. We're just shaking it from you, but United was following your lead. Yeah, right. I've been with Adam for 12 days. That's what it is. I liked the positivity around the new CEO, who was the CEO who got leads relegated, but that's good. Just for clarification, the CEO that brought leads back up. But carry on. Yeah, it feels quite good around leads. It's been pretty quiet, really.

1:06:36I've been gigging all summer, and it's been quite good to be from... Glastonbury? Did Glastow, yes. That was good. Lots and lots of festivals all over Europe have been very busy. It's been really good. And like quietly, Leeds have just been doing bits of business. So we haven't got lots and lots of money. Like we're spending, our total transfer budget is probably one Liverpool player. But like, seems like lots of sensible people. I think there's a problem with like, are they Premier League tested? There's only Longstaff we got from Newcastle is the only player really who's played the Premier, who's a new player, lots of a few people from Germany and stuff, but pre-season, they look good.

1:07:14Everyone they've bought is 26 and 6 '3". So I think it kind of shows... I read an article on that. Yeah, it shows what we're going to do. The other day about, basically it was a template to stay in the Premier League and I spoke to Russell Martin, who came on Monday Night Football last season, and he obviously just lost his job at Southampton, but he was sort of thinking that if he was there again, it would be the physicality. that's where they really lacked. So when I read that article, is that almost like a template to staying in the Premier League for them? They feel like set pieces are going to be massively important because they're not going to dominate games like they did in the Champions.

1:07:48They were certainly the quotes from the manager. Yeah, yeah, those differentials, so like corners and free kicks and stuff. And we had a very small squad last year, so I think really trying to boost the height of it, win some headers and stuff like that. And physicality, yeah, we played Villarreal on Saturday and you could tell the name of the game is just to be really, really physical, keep the ball at the other end of the pitch and stuff. They think that apparently the stats are we have to score more than 40 goals and concede less than 60 goals and we'll stay up. I don't think Big Sam is the manager.

1:08:24A bit of homework's been done. Getting ready for Sean. What did you think about the manager's comments around your centre forward? I don't know who you're saying. He's basically not Premier League. We need another... So they've sorted out the defence. We've bought a massive keeper, Brazilian keeper. We've bought lots of giants for defence and central midfield, but now we need to sort out the attacking. Obviously, we've scored a lot of goals last year. We lost Mano Solomon. Bamford's been told he can go. There's another younger kid called Matteo Joseph who wants to go. So we need a striker. But we've been looking at Munez, Aul, Window.

1:09:03We haven't quite got him over the course. No, but I was talking about your manager's quote around Bamford. It felt like a really strong thing to say. If I've got that right, I remember his quote sort of saying we've told him he can move on. He's not sort of at the level of Premier League. Probably Patrick. I think the Leeds fans, we've had a challenging time with him. He's been good, he's been bad, he's been injured, he's been fit. He's got some goals, but overall we quite like him. and actually the last thing he did in a lead shirt was play guitar on stage with Kaiser Chiefs, which is quite funny.

1:09:35In a Voduka shirt. Too many injuries in a... He had two seasons. Farker's point is you had two seasons in the championship to get fit and prove to me that you're the man and he didn't do it. So he can't risk it. It's a big season. We are... The ambition for the season is to be, what is it, 17th, 16th. That's the ambition. That's us. Hands off, that. Did you say you're getting ready for Sean Dyche? Did I hear that? Well, with the big lads, you know. Why do you want him? Probably not. I think Farker deserves a good chance. I think he's done really well for Leeds. He's so pragmatic. I think that's, again, with the summer, just having a summer where there's not like everyone's getting sold or there's a crisis.

1:10:21Farker's just really measured about everything. Players can go and strike. Weren't they talking about a sack of them when you got promoted? They were, actually. weren't they yeah which how's that changed Spurs did something sort of similar it felt like you have to give him a chance don't you his last time with Norwich obviously did absolutely terribly but they didn't really back him I think if they'd had someone in line who was a proven Premier League manager they might have taken it but otherwise Sean Dyche yeah Sean Dyche you've been talking about Sean Dyche all day aren't the Vultures already swooping for Farkov, Frank or Andrews as the first casualty of the season.

1:11:03Yeah, someone will go in November, won't they? Amarin, I think, might go as well. Matt,

1:11:15I want to finish off with you. A couple of fat supporters who aren't here are from Bournemouth and Fulham. Can you give us a little update on how it's been for them over the summer? Yes. Bournemouth, great season last season, top half of the table, but they've sold probably two of their best players, Dean Heysen, gone to Real Madrid, centre-back, Kirk is to Liverpool, obviously. Do you think the other centre-back will go? Just talk of PSG. Yeah, PSG coming in for him as well. So, I mean, big challenges for Areola, and they've not had a great pre-season. They got well beaten by Man United and West Ham.

1:11:51and he actually said some of his players aren't at the level they need to be. I don't know if they're a kick up the backside before the season starts. They've got Adrian Truffert, a France international left-back. I think he's got five or six caps for them, so they'll want him to hit the ground running. But I think it's going to be testing time for them. They don't have a huge amount of money because of such a small ground, but a very good manager. so I think it's going to be an interesting test for them. Fulham have been very, very quiet in the transfer market. Again, they had a good season, mid-table.

1:12:29They haven't lost anybody significant, perhaps they'd say, so they think they're in a good place, but it looks like they're going to get Rhys Nelson on loan from Arsenal. He'd be a good signing. And there's even talk of Raheem Sterling, who's now gone back to Chelsea, going there. OK, well, thank you. But we've got a little bit of breaking news. I'm sweating. It's on the phone. Manchester United make an offer to RB Leipzig for Sesko. Oh, God. Proposal,€75 million plus€10 million in add-ons. Yeah, we go again. And they believe the striker favours Old Trafford. Oh! Don't act surprised. I'm just going to rip it off now.

1:13:20I don't want him. I just want him so them lot get pissed off. It's past the point of getting annoyed at you now. It's just this keeps happening. I'm getting annoyed at my own club at not putting the money where their mouth is. It's not about money. This is where you've got to realise. This sounds real bad, but you've got to realise where you are in the food chain. Man United might finish 15th and you might get Champions League football, but no one dreams of playing for Newcastle over Manchester United. Alan Shearer did, mate. Alan Shearer. Yeah, all-time family. He took them down. Then what? Then what?

1:13:56And then much rather... Sam Solskjaer and he won us the trail. Oh, the Jordan, the Jordan. Much rather sit here. Win what they can. Finish high. Be competing in high-end places. Then sitting at Manchester United, possibly fighting for relegation again with a manager who doesn't... Joe, Joe. We're more likely to win, Jordan. Does this give you more chances of keeping Isak? If you don't get another striker, there's no way you can sell Isak. Look, look, like, take all my annoyances and upset aside. Does this give a more chance of keeping Isak with the way this summer window is going? Probably not.

1:14:25This probably just means now we're going to go and look at Ramos and someone's probably going to come in. Who wants Ramos? Anyone? Anyone? Do you know? Because we'll bid him and then you'll just come in. We've got a Danish striker we can get rid of if you want him and a Brazilian winger. I mean, shout us. We'll help you out. I'll pass on those. I'm being serious here. I totally agree with what Adam said. I think the name of Manchester United, no matter where they finish in the league, it's Man United. We're talking about one of the biggest, best football clubs. It's an institution. It's massive.

1:14:59But, and I do mean this, from Sesco's point of view, Newcastle will never be Manchester United ever. But the track record of Manchester United with the younger players coming to the club and the actual track record I think of Eddie Howe and what he's done with young players like he buys players sometimes at Newcastle and you think oh they're okay decent players then and then they become like very good and I think a lot of that to me is Eddie Howe so I can understand it be that but if I was Sesc that would definitely be in the back of my head I do think Ineos have made a concerted effort to kind of change the way we are doing things and I think Adam I'm not being funny we say this every year we come on this show in August or Man United, they've got the recruitment.

1:15:42It's not like before where we had Ed Wood was running about, is it? We had an accountant doing football people's jobs. We have got people in the right place and you've looked and made an effort in terms of recruiting younger players. Who's the new people there now? Well, it's Wilcox, it's Parada. But those guys are the guys that are making the decisions. It's not an accountant leaving Australia going, I'm on urgent business and then disappearing. It's proper people making the decision and it feels better for the manager as well. I reckon there's a lot of former United managers who look at Amrima and are a bit jealous that he's got that.

1:16:12And I know they've not achieved much yet and we still have to wait, but they are making a much... It's a much better effort in terms of recruitment and I think they're more attractive to younger players as well. From the point of Sesko, I think what Jamie's trying to say, well, what I'm trying to say as well is, he'll have more chance at Newcastle to develop, which he needs. Now, to be a Manchester United centre-forward, as we found with Hoyland as a 22-year-old kid, you've got to be ready. It's got to be now. And Hoyland just isn't quite good enough for that, as we've seen. But again, he's not had a chance to be developed.

1:16:49Him going to Newcastle might have been the best thing for him. I think as well, you take away the club badge, it's the Eddie Howe effect. I've said this so often. Back in the day, I mean, like now, if ever Joe Linton comes out and has a bad game, I call him Bruce Linton, because that's the old Joe Linton. You've got this Eddie Howe, Joe Linton, who's completely changed under Eddie Howe. Now, you take away Newcastle, you take away the support, you get in the crowd, all of that. It is literally the Eddie Howe effect and what he does to younger players and developing players. He can turn a player around and make them amazing and this is what I'm confused about with the likes of Sesco.

1:17:18It's hard to turn... It's hard to turn United down. You can't turn down Man United over Newcastle. You just can't. You can't. Man United finished 16th last year. You finished where you did. Which club, realistically, is going to be successful first? Are Man United going to win the league before Newcastle ever do? If they ever do? Of course they are. But that is why he wants to go there. But I'm saying from a United's point of view... He's not ready. Is it the best bit? I still think you're in the same boat as having Hoyland. It also shows you where the market for strikers is. This guy scored 13 or 14.

1:17:55He's probably the last one. United. Like I said, United didn't need a project. they've got the project in Highland what they needed was your centre forward ready to go now that's not out there I think Osterman was probably the only one Oli Watkins of two, three years would be better for me because he's more likely to score goals in a Premier League who sorry? Oli Watkins and people go yeah Oli Watkins but he might get his Champions League I don't think Oli Watkins is it I'm still amazed that Ivan Toney wasn't snapped up a year ago yeah Oli Watkins going back to Oli Watkins I think Oli Watkins is a brilliant striker he works his absolute nuts off I don't think he's a brilliant finisher.

1:18:33But I think he'd be better now with your Sescos, with your Hoyland in behind him. I think them two are second and probably third strikers behind a main striker at Man United. Now, I don't think that striker's out there. I think Osserman, look, I think he might have been the one who could have been, but there's nothing else now. I think Guioca, Guioca is what you call him, I think he, again, was a little bit of a project, not really knowing what you're getting, but Osserman was ready-made. It sounds magic. I'd take Darwin Nunes over all them. Yeah, you're right. It does sound mad, yeah. I'd rather him lead in my line.

1:19:10You all right? You got jet lag? Yeah. No, but I think Darwin Nunes is better than them. I think the striker market's a bit... Yeah, well, it's gone now, isn't it? After Cesc, what else is it? Cesc and Esau, what else is it? I think the way the games evolve, we're in this sort of era of the wide strikers. I was looking at some stats. I wish I had them on me now but players who win like the Ballon d 'Or I know it's been Messi and Ronaldo for a long time and that but it's like centre forwards just don't really win it you know you think in the past years it was always like the best centre forward that sort of win it now with you think of Liverpool you know Salah and Mane it's about the white yous have just even when you had Firmino and then Probeno you know even the strikers we're talking about now we're almost a bit like Jochenes we're not sure Etetechi you know that's why everyone's so like easy because he almost feels like it's a guarantee.

1:20:00And the thing I'd say about Isak, and maybe it's something in my head about I think 150 million, he's a top striker. We use that Andy Cole, Alan Shearer, Les Ferdinand, all in the same level as him. Man United had, you could just name five off the top of your head. Liverpool, Suarez, Sturridge, Torres, Michael Owen, Robbie Fowler. These players just aren't there anymore. These strikers that you had before. And I think that's what probably makes Isak more expensive. It is. Because everybody now a striker you buy. So why should the United go for Isaac? Because we're broke, baby. We ain't got the money for that.

1:20:36To be fair with what you said, though, you're pulling£80 million. Also, Isaac isn't going to want to come to Manchester United right now. The teams that are after him, it's not like Newcastle want to sign him. Liverpool want to sign him, the Premier League champions. It's teams that are going to win the trophy. Do you think he'd rather stay at Newcastle than go to United? No, but... He wants to win trophies. That's what he just said. If Newcastle were in the market to sign him, he wouldn't go to Newcastle. It's the same thing, though. You said he'd just rather stay at Newcastle than go to Newcastle.

1:21:04God, shut up, man. Let's go somewhere where you're fighting trophies, not Vanne Gatorpin. Are we done? Are we done? I'm done. I need to go to bed, man. I'm definitely done after that break of news. Right, that brings to an end the pre-season preview with the supporters for the Fandy Break, brought to you by Skybet. And make sure you join us next time.

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