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0:42You've had teams that have just had a relatively easy run. You're talking about Liverpool in the late 70s, early 80s, aren't you, Joe? Or 2005. Easy run. Tony or Watkins, which one goes to the Euros in the summer? Oh, Tony. Tony? No. The minute we stop talking about these types of stories and we're talking about a franchise league, we're dead. Oh, BA, Clive. Oh, here we go. It's City and Liverpool are together again. Oh, my God, honestly. Jamie Carragut would get into the current Liverpool squad. I was going to say tease.

1:18Welcome to a new episode of the Fan Debate, brought to you by SkyBet, and we're going to be getting questions off the audience, yeah? And we're going to start with you, Luke. Here I am.

1:34It was like a no-look pass. It was like a no-look pass. It's like a copy menu. He looks at one person.

1:44Right, come on, Luke. This is a good one, right? If Southgate has to pick between Tony or Watkins, which one goes to the Euros in the summer? Oh, Tony. No. Yeah, watching Tony. amongst those what would be, I'd call them sort of floating, brilliant players like Foden and Bellingham and Maynou. I have to say, I thought him up front holding his position, he's wise, he looked calm, he was controlled. I thought that was really good from Tony. Do you not feel like, though, with that? OK, we all know Kane's going to play. So maybe the third game in the group, once that's won, we're going to play a different striker, maybe.

2:21I just think with Watkins, that when I was watching that game against Belgium, that when it was getting towards the end, Watkins came on and he was pressing and he just offers something totally different. That's an interesting point because I always think when you... Harry Kane's our centre-forward and if he's injured or missing a game, do you want something different or do you want someone to replicate what he brings to the team? And that's a completely different argument because I do think Watkins is completely different and I think Tony is more like Kane when he comes to the ball, he brings people into play.

2:56So, I mean, is there a case not that both of them are going to go? I was going to say that. I think he said a couple of weeks ago, didn't he, that depending on what he picks, he might have to pick two or he might pick one. But I think he'll pick Tony. And I also think he'll use Rashford and think that that can be his third striker as well. But for me as a Villa fan, obviously I'm going to back Watkins. And it's like, he's got 16 goals this season, 10 assists, 26 goal involvements, the highest in the whole Premier League. The void has been left with Kane. Watkins has filled it. Surely he has to go.

3:28We should have said Watkins and moved on, shouldn't we? Well, let's... Oli Watkins! We'll move on. You've convinced me. We will move on. We're now going to Finlay, the Villa fan.

3:42Do you think that if Luton stay up because of points deductions for other clubs, that we'd still deserve it? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you? Of course. Of course, Will. I'd love to start for any reason at all, but I think we've been a brilliant addition to the Premier League. So I think we've gone for it in every game we've played, especially against the Big Six at home as well. Any game at Kenilworth Road, we've gone for it. Whether that's worked or not, we might not have got the points in a lot of them. You know what you remind me of a little bit? Remember Blackpool a few years ago? I thought you were going to say Luke then.

4:12No. It was... The games of Blackpool, I thought, were brilliant in the Premier League and they just went down. I actually think these will just go down. That's my honest opinion. But I do think you've been a breath of fresh air. You know, the games, the comebacks, even the big teams you've played against, they've always been in a game. So I think you've been brilliant. I would actually like you to stay up, but I think you might just miss out. I hope you stay up, not because I want Forrest or anyone else to go down, but I just, I don't think any of us recognise how important Luton being in the Premier League, Blackpool being in the Premier League, Wimbledon all those years ago, is to the pyramid.

4:48Honestly, the minute we stop talking about these types of stories and we're talking about a franchise league where basically the same three that go down come up every single year. We're dead. We don't know it yet, but we are. And the idea that this club that's got a£5-6 million budget in the Championship against budgets that have got£30-40 million because they've had parachute payments is the magic of... It's not the magic of the FA Cup. The magic of the pyramid system in this country is that every team, whether it be Grimsby or whether it be Luton, should think they can play in the Premier League.

5:16The minute we lose that feeling that every club cannot get promoted in a local town can't have a wealthy benefactor that can put some money in that can manage them well from a football perspective honestly we lose so much that is the huge thing about our league and why it's competitive and why we think of it as being great we walk through the terraced houses to get to the away fans entrance them stories have to remain or else we're dead well we move on now to Gregor Forrest the team Gary wants to go down if Luton stay up given where we are now if the big six had have gone into a European Super League would have made the Premier League a fairer and more balanced league.

5:53So the other 14, create the league. No, sorry. One thing I would say in the teams, they weren't actually leaving our league. They were going, setting up their own Champions League on their own, where they basically weren't allowing any other Premier League team to come into it by foot. But their proposal did say they would stay in the Premier League and compete. But what they wanted to do was try and make the new Super League weekend matches. They wanted to disrupt the whole domestic game in every country in Europe to suit the top 12, 14 clubs in Europe. They didn't actually say they were going to leave their own league.

6:32So I think they just need to... I mean, it was just actually ridiculous that because the whole problem, the whole reason this was set up was mainly from, I think, the Spanish giants and Juventus because the Premier League is so good. The Premier League is the Super League in a lot of ways. The money that it generates, you know, eyes all over the world. And for our clubs to sort of almost panic and think, oh, we're going to miss out on something and jump in. I just thought it was awful at the time. But you're asking us, would you prefer that? A lot of times we talk about the top six and we talk about the other 14.

7:01Would the other 14 clubs prefer that? Where I am now, after what's happened the last season and a half, the first season and a half being in it, the top six aren't the games that I'm excited about. That's not where the enjoyment comes from. The enjoyment comes from the battle with everyone else. You know, they've got their own mini league already almost. You know, they just get the pick of all the top players and then it's the rest of us. So the way I see it, you look at like a Bundesliga or somewhere like that, where it seems a little bit more like things could happen. I'm starting to get... You've been in a league 10 years in the run.

7:34I couldn't be any more critical of the six clubs that were going for the Super League. I couldn't be any more critical of them and continue to be so. But what I will say about the big six, as much as I've criticised them, I think we need them badly. Let's be really clear here. The reason that your club, my club, and we all... The reason the game is so popular around the world is because of three or four of those top six clubs. And we do need them. Because the best thing about our league is when a Nottingham Forest beats a Liverpool or a Manchester United or a City on their own ground. That is what we all dream of in terms of a league.

8:10We've got a league where the bottom can beat the top. So I don't think we can live without the bottom, the top six. The idea of that league, to me, wouldn't be right. It would be a far inferior league. There's one thing I want to pick up that I've seen a lot on social media about the top six and the other 14, and obviously Everton Forest, the situations you find themselves in. But I know they've got fancy names now, FFP, PSR, but has that not always happened? You're shaking your head. Everton bought Tony Cotty from West Ham. The gap now between the six who play in Europe, and particularly the clubs who play in Europe every year, and the other 14 is just going to get bigger and bigger.

8:47So you are just going to have... But the biggest clubs have always... Liverpool bought South Collymore from Forest. How long ago was that? 20 or 80 years ago? You've always had owners. The most starting financial statistic that I've ever heard is that when the Premier League was set up, the difference in revenues for TV money between the Premier League and the Championship was something like£30 million or£40 million. Rick Parry gave me this number. It's now£4.5 billion or nine and a half billion. It's nine billion or something stupid in terms of domestic and international rights. So when the Premier League was set up, it wasn't set up with this idea that there was going to be this massive big gap in revenues between...

9:28The Championship was always going to be a very competitive league that would sit just behind the Premier League. What's happened is the Premier League has done a great job and gone there, but the EFL have gone here. And what you've got now is this four, five, six, seven billion pound gap in revenue between the clubs, between the leagues. I think it was 40 odd million. It was such a low number. That is stark that. It wasn't designed this way. No, no. As you just said, that's the success story of the Premier League, isn't it? I think it's 3 % of promoted teams survive more than 10 years in the Premier League.

10:04And that's why it doesn't work for me. The Premier League doesn't work. But that's why the regulator needs, I think that's why the regulator comes. Because we're in danger of going to the point whereby we end up with the same 20 clubs every year by the fact that three go up, three go down. Aren't you two not worried? Because you're both two clubs, well, half a club and the club that you follow in the Premier League are in there. So you're in the party, aren't you, so to speak? So you can look at everyone else and go, I've stopped moving. But Baz, I'd like to think that my club would see themselves as a guardian of the pyramid.

10:34I'd like to see my club to see themselves as almost... Sorry, I'm just talking about the Grandfather. Yeah, absolutely. And all of this, the Premier League won't give the EFL a property that's nonsense to me exactly a disgrace but I just mean within the Premier League because when we're saying it'd be a better league without six clubs what we're actually saying is all of our finances would be roughly the same and we'll be back to how it was 90s 80s early 2000s Abramovich changed the way it happened didn't it in like 2004 Jack Walker I understand what you're saying but why don't we just rein them in a little bit bring them back close the gap what you said the other week there has been movement within that top I mean I grew up watching Spurs late 90s early 2000s we weren't finishing top 6 we finished top 6 7 first time we got into Europe was kind of Martin Yol but the last 10 years though have been incredible even the disparity between it if you go and look at even prize money in places the disparity Clive you've got a question for us not such a heavyweight question right so it's really about perception so Liverpool get a last minute winner versus Forest Maynard get a last minute winner versus Liverpool in the Cup both teams quite rightly celebrated why is it when Arsenal get a late winner against the likes of Liverpool and Luton that we are framed as over celebrated Liverpool who?

11:54It's the photography thing with Odegaard But it wasn't a late winner was it? It's quite late in the last five minutes trust us You were 2-1 up, you won 3-1 didn't you? 3-1 was the moment of joy I've had a laugh about that and Odegaard was brilliant I think on it I don't know if you saw the interview on Monday Night Football a few weeks later and we had a joke about it and I saw the photographer a couple of times as well so I think whenever that happens obviously social media goes mad and everyone gets tribalism and I get all that but I think it's good that we can you know, you'll have a laugh about it a few weeks later.

12:23I did think it was a little bit over the top the older guy not the celebrating of Arteta down the line and all that's like in the moment I just thought that thing of like the camera and the photographer it reminds me of something you do at the end of a cup final where you've won the cup and everyone's just you know John Bailey's got a stupid hat on and someone's got the kick man on his shoulders. I get all that. It's just a league game that you've won. Get down the tunnel. Clive, the thing for me is... Clive, the way in which I would look at it is similar to, let's say, for instance, you've equalised in the last minute in a game.

12:55If Manchester City equalised in the last minute of a game, I'll forget Manchester City. If Manchester United, going back 20 years, equalised in the last minute of a game, we wouldn't celebrate. We'd go and get the ball and get back to the halfway line. if we then won a game in the last minute we'd celebrate and go crazy and that happened but at the end of the game we would say control because the job's not done so there's that element of are you in control of your emotions is it actually to be fair and it's a feeling sometimes in a stadium I to be fair this season haven't had a problem with Arsenal celebrations to be fair I didn't have a problem with that day I thought it was a big win against Liverpool I had an issue last year if you remember where I felt as though there was lack of emotional control before the run-in You just have a problem with it after the game.

13:37You said it with us in the studio. Where you beat Bournemouth, I think, with about 12 games to go on, Bournemouth were in the bottom three. And it was almost as if you were lifting the trophy. And I felt that feeling of that emotional control was lost a little bit. So for me, I think young players as well, which you've had quite a lot of young players, they don't need... So in your life, you don't need that and that. What you need really is more of this. If you get that, sometimes that drains you like crazy. That drains you like crazy. That drains you like crazy. I prefer that with you and just...

14:08But when you're going for a league, honestly, when you're going for a league, you just need that balance. And this year, I think Arsenal have got the balance just right. What Klopp's got is the ability to be able to celebrate at the end of a match by punching the crowd because he's experienced, he's a winner, and he's still in control because he's in control. Whereas Arteta and Arsenal sometimes demonstrate that they're a little bit maybe on the edge of control and it's a little bit sort of like wild. and I don't think it's been too bad this season, but last season I felt that I could see that massive wobble at the end.

14:38It was so obvious to me it was going to come. The emotional energy that you're consuming was huge and this season don't do it. That's my answer. I hear what you're saying. Let me give you another level of scenario. I think you're missing why there's a lot of celebrating. You go to the Emirates, you've been going for years. The atmosphere has changed there, hasn't it? Yeah, it has, yeah. It's completely changed. The connection between the players and the club has completely changed. What you're experiencing this season with Andrew at the start of the season, you haven't had that for a few years, have you?

15:08You can't put a feeling on it, how you feel about watching your team. And this team is world-liked by the supporters. That's why there's that to and fro between us. And I get your points about last year, and it was the first time we'd gone through this. This year we're a little bit cooler. You are, Carmelo, you are. A little bit cooler. so I just want you to understand our outward perception and explain as to why these things may be happening Oli give us your question simple I guess what represents success or failure for City this season you always have to say if you don't win the Premier League title I would say that would be deemed and if you ask Pep Guardiola he would say that that isn't success because that's where you measure back he would say that you could win the Champions League and recover it but I think if you didn't win the Premier League there would still be that little bit like a like a punch in the ribs I think if you win one of the big ones that's success I think if you start at the start of the season you win the Premier League or the Champions League I just make up not come into that then I think if City just leave that alone I think if you won the FA Cup just the FA Cup I don't think it could you call it a failure maybe maybe you wouldn't say it was a roaring success but could you say that you know you've won a major competition in England, it's a failure.

16:26It depends maybe, listen, if you lost in the final of the Champions League and you lose unlucky or something, you know, I think the standards of City are that high, it's not going to go with City, you've raised the bar that high, you've won the treble. If you come back the season after and just won the FA Cup, I think that would feel like failure. But I think if you won one of the big ones, that's always successful. The boss would say, win a trophy every season and you're okay. So I agree with you, in principle, winning an FA Cup and keeping the trophy sort of winning period going is success. But because of the standards you've set with treble and with everything, the trophies that Pep's won, you don't win the league or the Champions League.

17:02I think that everyone will deem that as being a poor season for City with the standards that you've set. We won the league the year after. We won the Champions League. We won the treble. We won the league. We actually felt a bit low. I've said this to you before. We felt low. We felt like... And that's... We won the league. And you'll feel the same this season. If you win the league, Well I won't, not as a City fan. No, no, but you won't celebrate in the same way as you did for your first one. It becomes to the point where it just becomes a little bit more sort of like, almost like it's mundane, it's like, oh this is what we do.

17:36You know what I mean? You almost need to lose it to win it against. Well the thing is for us this season though with the Premier League is we've got the added I guess motivation of being the first team to win four in a row. So I think that actually, if we just won the Premier League, I don't think City would have that same feeling that you guys did of, alright well you know it's on to the next I think that will be, we've set yet another record. We've made another piece of history.

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18:37West Ham, what have you got for us? The rollercoaster of David Moyes football. Should West Ham stick or twist? Stick. I'd say stick. Why do you reckon? I think stick because I don't I don't see any other manager coming in and getting us higher in the table or doing better in Europe but actually from David Moyes' point of view I think I said this on Monday Night Football that it might actually be better for him just to sort of I've done my West Ham thing I've done amazing don't stay there that season where because next season could be like last season was where you finish 12th, 14th or whatever and he probably would go on the back of that and I just think for David Moyes if he could get to another semi-final in Europe, cement that position in seventh or eighth, that'd be a brilliant way to go out.

19:24I wouldn't want to see him get criticised next season and there'd be a negativity in the stadium on the back of the job that he's done. OK. Jay, if you could pick one player from Liverpool's squad to be in this United squad, who would it be? And vice versa for you, Jamie, who would you take from United?

19:46I would take Van Dijk Really? I think I'd probably take the young kid Sorry, why would you take Van Dijk? I've not got Even over someone like Salah, for example I just think that Van Dijk would bring a dominance to the team and a presence in the team that we haven't got We haven't got a forward as good as Mo Salah, but we've got talented forwards. I always think you've got a spine of strength and presence. We always say, don't we, there's no Roy Keane's anymore, there's no Vincent Kompany's anymore, there's no John Terry's anymore. There actually is one now at Liverpool, and you think about how he's performed this season in Van Dijk, he has a massive presence on that pitch.

20:33He's not the same character as maybe some of those that I've mentioned, but he actually is quite dominant on the pitch, and he does actually speak a lot more than maybe people think and he is actually someone who you can see has got an aura about him. And I think that if you want to change Manchester United's complete and utter culture, they need that dominant person that holds them together. And I think that Van Dijk has got the... I think Van Dijk would control Maynou. He'd control... Even someone like Anthony or Rashford, I think he would build them, not break them. Do you know what I mean?

21:03I saw it on the FA Cup game. I noticed a lot. He was talking a lot about Van Dijk. Oh, he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he does. I think he was having to go to the full-back at one point, going mad at him. Are you disappointed? Because when you actually think about it, you've got a centre-back there in Varane. He was a World Cup winner, multiple Champions League winner. Why has he not become that for you? I think there's a multitude of reasons. His injury record hasn't been as good for us as it was at Madrid. He's missed a lot of games. He's been rotated a lot. But even when he's played, have you ever felt he's that big?

21:30He's had some good performances. He has, and you can see why he won so many trophies at Madrid. I just don't think he's been able to fully get going. like if you're constantly changing your partner's constantly changing and you're centre-back the midfield in front is constantly changing the goalkeeper's changed it doesn't help if you're not getting that run you've seen it at other clubs as well and I think when Martinez and Varane were together I don't think he'll ever be that player so I think for Varane for me when I watch Varane Varane actually defends his part of the pitch very well and actually when he actually he defends his box very well and he heads a lot of balls out that you think he has actually quite dominant in the air.

22:07I think he's just that type of centre-half that will always do, and to be fair, maybe he was at Madrid when he was playing alongside Ramos. I think he's always that player that will do his own job really well, but I don't think he'll ever probably impact the other defenders around him. And that's not a criticism, by the way. I hear that. Because to be fair, I think there are many great centre-halves who are centre-halves that do their own job really well, but they don't actually manage a back four. A great centre-half that can manage a back four is your Van Dijks, your Terries, your great players of all time type people.

22:37You know what I mean? He's just that good player, that good centre-half, great centre-half, that does his own job really well, I think. Why Mane? Hang on a minute, why Mane? Mane is age, number one. I think he looks like a superstar. He could go on to be a real superstar. I'm trying to think who else in the United team is better than Liverpool playing in their position, really. Better, but don't you think that Klopp could get a performance out of the likes of Rashford I just feel like Rashford under Klopp I mean I know Klopp's going but this is a fake scenario Maybe Rashford because I mean I actually think Liverpool in the summer I'd be really interested obviously we've got a new manager but would that be a position you'd look at wide left because I'm still like I think Diaz is good I don't think he's great so that could be a position but I think with Maynard with central midfield yeah yeah I'd go with him just with the age factor Quickly who would you take from Liverpool and who would you think someone should choose from us?

23:30I'd take Salah I just think on that right hand side of a front three I love Gannaccio and he's done well but look at Salah's record it's just ridiculous and the type of goals he scores and I'm with you on Mainu I think Mainu could go straight into that Liverpool team and I think he'd improve it I do It's interesting that neither of you picked Bruno Fernandes who's the captain and got the most unbelievable player in the last three years all the assists and goals anyway Tottenham Alex Can Ange's style win the biggest competitions he gets the players in he has his windows and he has the right players that he wants during those windows, ultimately, can that style of football that he plays win the big dollars?

24:04I mean, I think when Pep Guardiola first came in, probably you more than me, because, you know, you'd been used to winning titles, you said you'd never sort of seen a team like that win the league, how they played. It was the diminutive nature of the players as well that Pep had at that time, not now, but then. But what people forget about Pep's football is teams are always the best defensively, or certainly one of the best. my worry is how many goals you can see that has to change so people talk about Pep's football and we always talk about it with the ball but off the ball are fantastic as well so that has to be a big shift I think if Tottenham are ever going to win or challenge for the biggest trophies under Poster Coghoun I would say yes because I don't think you can win the league anymore with a they call it a low block a deep line defence and counter attack I don't think there's only Leicester I think maybe Leeds going back in the day were a bit like, but they played great football leads as well.

24:59Conte? Yep. But did he really play consistently on a lower block against all... I think to me that style of play will... I think you'll struggle to win the league nowadays. You have to dominate possession in the attacking half of the pitch, I think. Baz, what have you got for us? Might have kept me away from Everton. So, what would represent success, do you think, for England at the Euros? Obviously winning it's great, but what would you... Or did he have to win it? I think in terms of the manager, I almost feel like there's a feeling now that if he didn't win, it'd be seen like he's cost us the tournament.

25:37I do feel like there's a real negativity getting built around Gareth Southgate and I think he's done a really good job with England. But I think there's this feeling that we should be going there and winning and getting to at least the final. So I think you'd have to get to the final for it to be seen as a success. Because there's a stat, isn't there? They've only won four games in the last 25 against teams ranked in the top 10. So obviously to win the Euro... I saw that stat and it doesn't look great. But then I seen someone in the paper yesterday do the stat of all the 10 teams against each other.

26:09And there's only France's that is actually that good. I think they win like 60 % of the games. I saw that. But most teams are around 30-40 % of stuff like that. I was thinking in the tournament it's two things. how far you go obviously, but it's who you get knocked out by. Yeah. People connect, I think in the Qatar, I accepted the way in which we played. It was disappointing, but I accepted the way in which we played against that France team that I thought you could lose that game. Do you know what I mean? And I think that's just the way football is, because there's two really good teams. So for me, it would be who we got beat by.

26:42Obviously, we'd have to get to a minimum, I think, of quarter semis. But probably seven... It's got to be more than quarters. No, no. No chance. I don't know if we can play France in the quarter, I've not looked it properly yet. But let's say we've got an auto by France in the quarter, you'd be saying, I can understand that. I agree, semi's probably the minimum you can get to. And if it's France and it's an absolute umdinger of a game and you lose it on penalties, are you going to sit there and say that's really a nightmare? I wouldn't be feeling that way, I don't think. Last question from you, Bobby.

27:11What class is a successful final season for Klopp? What is success? Yeah, like what would be success this year? Winning the Carabao Cup. I think if Liverpool don't win I'll take that No, no, no, you wouldn't, Abbey I'll take it with Klopp leaving I'd still be, like, off sound But it's not exactly success for him, is it? I think I think the league is utopia I still don't fully I still see City as the favourites I think most Liverpool fans As I said, the league is just this dream If you like I think we all expect to win the Europa League Because of the teams that are in it and the fact that it's in Dublin there's this feeling that Klopp's last game could be this big party we could all have and celebrate him his last game so I think if Liverpool won the Europa League if someone said to me now you're going to win the Europa League Klopp's last game at Dublin you miss out on the league you're one of the other two I'd probably shake on it now because I still feel the league's almost like this dream and I still feel like City's just got the edge but I think it'll be a great season considering what we all felt at the start of the season I don't think anyone ever I thought Liverpool Would be in a fight For top four At the start of the season If you'd have asked me At the start of the season After last season Had I said Top four Maybe a good cup run Like we had with the Carribeau And I would have said That was success Probably would have expected us To win the Europa So are we ahead Of what we were expecting Probably By being in the title race I think it's different You're always saying We're ahead of schedule But it's a different manager It's not like clock building That's what I'm saying You'd think you'd have More time with him at the start of the season since they've accepted top four.

28:50Oh, yeah, yeah. But because it's his last season, you're saying to yourself, like, we've got to go for that. So we are ahead of schedule in a way, but also if we don't do it, then, you know, Klopp's leaving. We've got to win the Eurocans. Can I just make an announcement? We've got quite a decent-sized platform here on behalf of the Dublin Tourism Authority. Please don't go to Dublin in the middle of May if Liverpool. If Liverpool gets that final, I urge you all to stay away. You're the biggest party you'll ever have.

29:24Now we've got some questions for the fans, haven't we? Where are they? They're here. Come on. Showing green for agree or red for disagree. If Arsenal fail to win a trophy, will it still be a successful season for Arteta's side?

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30:20you think it'd be success if you don't win a trophy depends how we behave the glass is half full right question two the recent Man City and Liverpool title races are better than Man United the arsenals not a chance honestly much better teams why oh my god honestly the points tallies 18 games undefeated from January for both of them. The two best teams in Europe? That's the Man United were never that. That Liverpool team and that Man City. Do you know how much year? Bore everyone else in the country. Do you have any idea? Well, I'm enjoying it. Honestly, we were absolutely punch for punch. And they were punch for punch.

31:04Beating each other up. Off the pitch, on the pitch. The ferocity of the games, the unpredictability of the games. The length of the actual thing was seven years. Four championships united, four titles united, three to Arsenal. It was a proper rivalry. Gary, can I just ask, would you not... Why do people just ignore the United-Chelsea rivalry? Because that was like seven titles or whatever between the two teams in seven years. Went down to the wire, Champions League final... So you think that one was better? I put this Liverpool City on third, I put the United-Chelsea on second and the United-Arts on top.

31:38But the United-Chelsea didn't have the same feeling, the same sort of spirit about it. I'm talking about it. For me, I actually think the quality of the team... I totally get off the pitch. But what are you putting your things out? You get 100 points. You're relying on the... You know, the... Pizzagate. Yeah, well... Why are you arguing this is a rivalry when you won, like, five outlasts? Because it's... You stopped them in the FA court. How many Champions League finals have they got to in the past five years? How many finals have we got? I think it's offensive. And then the Premier League. Oh, here we go.

32:17City and Liverpool are together again. No, no, no. The Premier League as well. It doesn't matter. Forget it. Question three. Right. You don't even finish second sometimes. Harry Kane. You just won't even finish sixth this year, shouldn't you? I'm not saying we're in it. Harry Kane should have stayed at Spurs.

32:37Right, yeah. OK, we agree on that. Jamie Carragher would get into the current Liverpool squad you get in the squad would they get in the team you're Joe Gomez aren't you because you meet your left back right back you joke almost yeah I'd like to see Joe Gomez win the Champions League on his own.

33:08Right. Gary Neville would get into the current Man United team. Who's the right back for United? I don't know. Exactly. He's been the player of the year.

33:25Right, question six. Is Foden the most naturally gifted English talent we've ever produced? Ever. Yeah, Ev is a bit strong. Who do we think it is then? Gazza. Rooney. Rooney. Yeah, Gazza. OK. Bolden's amazing, by the way. Yeah, he is. Would you scrap VAR completely? I'm abstaining. Split, eh? It's interesting. Split. Right, question eight. When Pep leaves City, will he be seen as the greatest Premier League manager of all time?

34:05All of all time. All time. Gary, yeah? No. Go on. Why has Ferguson got the edge in your opinion? I just think, I mean, look, to be fair, Pep's unbelievable, so we're arguing here about sort of something that's hypothetical, but I just think what Sir Alex Ferguson did for British football and the Premier League, I don't think can be surpassed. What do you mean what he did? He did it for Man United. Yeah, I know. But he also did it for Aberdeen up in Scotland. He also did it for Premier League. I just think that for that period of time, it was in the birth years of the Premier League, I think that the football that was played, the electricity, the character and personality...

34:42Would you like to debate that? Because Pep's won at Treble as well. He's got a decent chance of winning four in a row. The points totals that you've got are 19 out of 100 points. Can I just say, in world football, when you talk globally, I think people will say Pep Guardiola. You think about what you achieved in Spain and Germany, but in the Premier League alone? Well, I'm just going to say, I don't really think there's a right or wrong on this one. It's not, for example, you know, the discussion that we just had a second ago about the two title rivalries. I feel a bit, I feel more strongly about that because of the quality of the football, as you pointed out.

35:13But I don't really think there's a right or wrong answer. You know, like, I understand Sir Alex Ferguson and everything that he did for English football. And if you ask Pep Guardiola, he'd probably say Alex Ferguson as well. What about what Pep did to him in the Champions League finals? Well, yeah, he embarrassed him, didn't he? but no, I think that thing. You know what? There's one thing Pep's never done and he'll never do because of the nature of the clubs. He's never won with an underdog. Whereas Ferguson, even like a Mourinho and Klopp, maybe a Dortmund, Pep's just always had the biggest teams, hasn't he?

35:43I think we never talk pre-Premier League either because if you started to bring in Samad Busby or Bill Shankly or Brian Clough or some of these great managers that Arsenal have had, you start to widen the impact on the game. Howard Kendall. The impact on the game that they've had. Yeah, you know what I mean? I think Pep's had the biggest influence that I've ever seen on style of play. There's no doubt about that. He has influenced League Two teams I've seen splitting the centre-backs to six-yard box and they're passing it along on bubbly pitches because of Pep Guardiola. And obviously, he'll send it to you because of Johan Cruyff, and there's Mikkels and all them coaches, but he has a massive influence on style of play.

36:19Right, question nine. Is winning the Champions League bigger than winning the Premier League?

36:28I am so shocked by that, honestly. I'm not shocked, but I argue this all day, that it was the Champions League. I don't know what people say, you never won the Premier League. But does the Champions... So City have won the Premier League, I don't know, five or six times now. That thing of winning, it's like, it just elevates the club. It's like even when, you just mentioned Matt Busby. The big thing for that team on the back of, obviously, the Munich disaster, they probably obviously won leagues, but it was like, the European Cup I think that's what elevates probably Liverpool's standard in the world is the European Cup I go back to the Italian teams the biggest team in Italy is Juventus but I think if you well I'm not sure but I think if you ask most people who's your favourite Italian team or the Italian team you remember I think most of us would say AC Milan because of the European Cup everyone remembers a tournament though where you have like an easier run you don't have to you know you can have some teams like Chelsea finish 6 and they won it or whatever it was You've had teams that have just had a relatively easy run.

37:29You're talking about Liverpool in the late 70s, early 80s, aren't you, Joe? Or 2005. There you go. Easy run. Oh, yeah, we'll get to this one. We played Juventus in the quarters, Italian champions. We played Chelsea, who were English champions in the semi-finals, who knocked out Bayern Munich in the quarters, who were German champions. And we beat the best team in the world in the final. And I get that, you did well. But you finished fifth in the Premier League, that's what I mean. like the Premier League over 38 games it's like you have to be the best team I totally get it and I always say I've said it we were nowhere near the best team in Europe and at times and a lot of years the best team in Europe doesn't win the Champions League they've actually won it when they finish fifth in their own league actually in the past my point being even for Alex Ferguson when he was starting the Holy Grail with the European Cup that's what makes Villa different Yeah, and the thing is, when we won it, though, and when Forest were winning it, it's like you had to win the league to be in it.

38:29Whereas now, you can finish sixth and still be in it. So, I think, you know, the league's so difficult to win. And I think, yeah, I'd say... You wouldn't have finally swapped that Premier League win to win the Champions League that season. Yeah, Liverpool. What are you saying? I'd rather have won the league? Yeah, that... What, you really would have rather had the Champions League? The way we won that game in Istanbul, you think it would change that for a Premier League? That season, finally winning the Premier League, though. Well, finally winning the Champions League, you haven't won that for 20 years.

38:57I think it depends on the club. Like, it's... You know, when we got to the 2019 final to you, I agree with what you're saying in terms of it elevating. If Tottenham had won that game, that Champions League, that Champions League final against you guys, you know, we would have almost been forced into another level because of what it does for clubs. But then there's an argument about the league... I just think there's 25 leagues across Europe every year or maybe more, 30, 40. Someone wins the league every year. There's only one team who wins the European Cup. That's why I just think it's like a bit...

39:30Well, that's my point anyway. Ten. Gary Neville is a better punter than Jamie Carragher.

39:41It's been for me or for him? I don't know what colours for me. Right, that's the end of the year. The fan debate. Is it a fan debate? It's a fan debate. It is a fan debate. That's the end of it from the question. to us, to them, and them to us. Thank you. Thank you. Well done, Clara. Well done.