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2:28Can Arsenal win the league? Will Arsenal win the league? Can I just say something now, Gal? One sec before you say it. Because like I said, I mentioned we were 17 goals behind them. If we can get someone that brings another 15... Righty, I'm happy with 15. Sack of... Yeah, but then you're saying no one else is going to score. Righty. No Arsenal... Righty. No Arsenal player. No Arsenal player scored 10 goals last season in the Premier League. And I think... That would have missed it. I think Zubamendi coming in will release Rice which means he could score 12 13 he could easily score 12 Saka can easily score 12 as well you love Rice I love Rice he has to play higher up the pitch and Mikel Arteta knows that or else he wouldn't sign Zubamendi exactly you'll see it with Zubamendi when he comes in and sets the ball off the backboard you'll see Rice move forward into a position where he needs to be anyway will Arsenal win the league?

3:17what is that will Arsenal win the league? I don't think it will No, no, forget once. Will Arsenal win the league this season? I'm going to say yes. Are you going for Arsenal? Are you going for Arsenal? And it's obviously... The only thing, I go back to Liverpool. Liverpool on a bad day will still score two goals every game. Even when Liverpool are off. You always think Liverpool will score three. How many times? Even the Charter Shield weekend, you might go Liverpool are getting... They still score two goals. They score two goals every game. I still fancy scoring goals. When you're scoring two goals an average a game or more, then that's hard to stop.

3:46As good as a key, I still fancy scoring. I just think when all the new players come in, last year was different. I know so if you're playing Liverpool you expect you said Arsenal are going to win the league I'm down with Arsenal yeah cool time we finished we finished second twice and three times bro and why should I go somewhere else I predicted in the last three years so I'm not arguing stop predicting us you're a jink stop it we're coming second but I think that we've added Arsenal you said Liverpool before I said if Liverpool get them players but I might I think Chelsea look good oh my god Jill go back to Glastonbury She's still in.

4:21She's still in. Chelsea, they've just won the club. Just off of the goalkeeper alone, they can't. Unless they bring a goalkeeper in. If you look at their positions, if Rhys James is fit, I think he's the best right back in the league. I do. Cole Palmer, I think he's the best 10 in the league. You've got Pedro. I just think they've got, I do think they've got a good team. I think they'd close the gap and make it a top four. Wouldn't it be great if they won the league? I know exactly. I love it. Not with that goalkeeper. I think Arsenal... Not with that goalkeeper. I think Arsenal can win the league, but they've got to change slightly.

4:59I think they went almost... Did those two players not change them, though? No, but yeah. They've got to almost change the style. We said this a lot last season. It was very... Those two players were wrong, then. Yeah, and that's the whole point, but it's still the manager. What do you mean? Like physical, you mean? No, what I'm saying is, he's become a guy who wants total control on the pitch. the best defensively in the league and we used to always say didn't we oh the best defensive in the league I actually think he's the other way around the team who got the most goals are on the front foot and I always felt he'd almost started here you know he's almost a Pep Guardiola coach and slowly as time had gone he's got a big powerful strong direct team set pieces and I think it's just gone too far that way I think Zimmerman needs to kind of he changes that so that's why he could he's got to pull it back a little bit where they're more in control in terms of being on the front foot.

5:49How many games did they draw when they were winning 1-0 and concede? Well, that's the thing. You've got to go on and score the second or third goal. Will Arsenal win the league? No, because I think there'll be... No, the reason I say that is I think there'll be that much pressure on them in terms of even their own fans. Everyone's a bit like, he has to win or it's the... I think they've got to be careful with that Arsenal, putting too much pressure on them. Don't write City off. Will Arsenal win the league, Jill? No. No. No. OK. I don't think you can write City off, though. Have you seen that Reinders?

6:16City. We're going to touch on Manchester United next. They'll win the league. They'll stay up, definitely. That's a retro one. Iconic. Adidas, the Shamrock on the side. They've kind of gone back to that. Now, these were just bits I picked up last night. Now, obviously, there's the United one from the cup final. Again, and... That show's iconic, though, isn't it? No, no, but again, this is... What year is this? Again, you're looking at... 99, of course. But obviously, I go off injured after it. So, you're looking at cup finals in the high, but again, you go off injured after a few minutes. You get a bad tackle on me.

6:45Losing cup finals how you're playing with Ireland. Did that show you stuff lit? Zip. I was looking at stuff last night. It's amazing what stuff you come across. I've had a bit of lit. You think of all the years you've played football with, especially at United and the connections you make with people. It's massive. We always say football is about good people, but the sadness of football, remember poor Jimmy Davis, Jimmy Davis who passed away, found out last night. I went to the funeral. Kath, obviously Kat, a few months ago. See you at the club? Yeah, Kath passed away a few months ago. So you've got a young player passing away when he's younger.

7:16You've got Kath, who's been there how many years at United left? Was it? 50. 40, 50 years. These are just pictures. It was nice. They opened the training ground the other day and they actually put a memorial. Of Kath, yeah, I saw that, yeah. But you've got Kath, who's been there a long time, and then you've got a young player losing his life. And then photographs here of people have come across in there. Yeah. See that black and white one? Yeah, that's it. When I get in the trophy, we're off. That's just a little bit of memories. People don't have photographs anymore. It's all in your form. And do you know what?

7:42I found a couple of old contracts. Your contracts? A couple of my United contracts. Are you heavy? No, you can have a look at it. My wages are on it. I've no problem having a look at it. If you look at the wages on the back, I don't know what year that is. Wow. Your wages are good. I don't know what year that is. Okay, he's facing this one, Drew. It's really strange. Wow. So just, again, I... Which one is he?

8:01Is that... What year is that now? It's really strange. You see when people see the contracts. I'm going to give you the details. Yeah, I don't mind you. This is a contract that was signed in 19th of July 1993 with a basic wage. Sorry, I'm lying. And you're reading it. The players' employment began in 1993. So this is Roy's contract that he signed. When I first went to United? He signed a contract in 2000 for£950 ,000 a year, which is£20 ,000 a week. Yeah. Is that including signing on fees, Nev? Is that just your wage? It's just basic wage. Right. So you've got to sign on fee on top of that. Yeah, I'll have a look inside.

8:33But then you've got the contract that was signed in 2003. Sorry, there's a short-term contract, looks like it, to be fair, which looks like this month. So I've obviously signed an extension. Yeah, so there's a contract that's 950, then there's basically a contract for 2.75 million a year in 2000 to 2003. Was that when you were...? Maybe, but that's what I think... What's that one? Jamie, what's that one? That's my last contract. Just a decision. Never have a look at that one. Signed on fee for a million. Wow. A million signed on fee? Oh, was that what I want? 3.75 million a year. Yeah, look at this one.

9:05I think that was my last contract. It's gone from there to there. I read that one. I read that as a£1 ,000 signed on fee. It's a similar, yeah. Is that a renewal, that one? Yeah, you've renewed that. So you've gone to£3.5 million per annum in 2003 to 2005. Yeah, but when did he start there? And then they put your wage down. Yeah, because then you're saying you're getting older and the incentives are to play more. Yeah, they did on that to me in the last year, of course. Wow. So the incentives then is to obviously make sure you're playing. Do you get taxed on£1 million on NOMPHY? Yeah, of course.

9:31This looks like it's an extension because it's£9.16, so it's like part of a year. Then he's gone£3 million,£3.53. Yeah. But that's not SINOMPHY. There's SINOMPHYs, anyway. SINOMPHY inside of this. What does it say? You see those? a million pounds a year 2002 2003 2004 2005 so that was my last contract beat United a million pounds signing on Faye oh my god you told me yesterday not that you need to put out there but you told me what you earned yesterday and I thought that's when you were underpaid that's double what I was earning in my last contract but he's three times the player I've been sure I've changed he left seven years after me I finished on 2.3 wow girl in 2011 and 11.

10:12You were underpaid. No, to be fair though, I just, I didn't negotiate my contracts, I just signed them, I wasn't bothered. Whatever they offered me, apart from one, with Peter Kenyon, whatever they offered me, I just say, that's fine, no problem. I don't have one with Peter Kenyon, yeah, that deal, Peter Kenyon, to be fair, I had a haggle with him, because the reason I haggled with Peter over one contract was because I'd heard someone else in the dressing room, I can't remember what it was, had got like 250 grand more and I just thought, no, I'm the same as them, just give me the same, I don't want more I'm not being awkward here so why did we just think that you heard something in the dressing room but someone told me basically that they'd basically been offered 250 grand more so I just said to be fair just don't take the piss out of me you know what I mean I'm out of the piss so basically I just signed I signed a five year contract a seven a six so I signed basically and this was by the time I was 30 I think from 31 I was like literally getting one year contracts towards the end but I signed something like 15 years of contracts in this place for about five or six years I thought the piss was about me Yeah, I'm just saying.

11:11But your wage, Roy, your wage there lasts four and a half million a year. Yeah, but the difference with me, if you remember, a couple of times my contract was running out. Running out, yeah. Because that four and a half million at the time that Roy signed in that period was when he was having, obviously, the... I done my Cruciate. When I came back to my Cruciate, my contract was running out. It's high. And I did want to wait for me to see if I came back. That's the highest wage I think at that time that Man United would have ever paid by a mile. He would have been double, deservedly, he'd been double everybody else in the dressing room.

11:35Yeah, but I was all kind of strangely accidental. It wasn't me being clever. It was just that when I came back to my crew, United let me his contract. So what, will Giggsie have been on the same card as you? I was trying to free accidentally. And you know, I went, oh, he's back. Giggsie scolded towards the end. They went to another. No, they've been big money. Did people take you for granted, though, because you were loyal? Do you want to? Because I feel like they would never have thought you'd leave. I genuinely thought, honestly, I genuinely thought, I think I signed a contract for 1.5, and I signed a contract for 2.25 when I was like late 20s, and I just thought, that's more than enough.

12:04I'm fine. I'm not good with that. you're not like that now though are you? I am actually Gary's got that vibe you don't lose it if you're doing it then you're not going to not do it now even when you're in contracts with me even when you're in contracts with me for this I just I tend to offer people when I was a player and even a little bit now I think if you're enjoying what you're doing there's no need to get into a fight you want to get as much as you can because we're all human but I think I'm enjoying what I'm doing it's a good job yeah you know what I couldn't understand is that when you, like, with the Palace, I knew I was doing great stuff, and he was just, he just didn't give it to me.

12:43Screwed you down. You have to learn, you have to learn to handle it, don't you? Can we all look back at contracts we've signed? We should have maybe tweaked that. You don't have a photograph, sorry, I want to look at that. You don't have a photograph, your family, the ups and downs of football. When you see your family after Wembley, you've won a big game. Is that your mum and dad? Yeah. Honestly. That's a nice picture. That's actually enough, mate. That is. Yeah, brilliant. It's a good one. Pass it back. That's why photographs are so good to keep, though, aren't they? This is a beautiful picture.

13:12People have to photograph instead of on the phone. That's a beautiful picture. Oh, that's so good. Let me see you there. I'm in a United top there, but that's my brother's. I think the Spurs one was sold out. That's in a United kit there in the background. That's a bit of a lot. Jesus. How old were you? Never know that picture. Never. How old were you on there than Roy? I would have been 13, maybe. 13 or 14. He's blown up or something. Where's that, Roy? After the game in the final? No, it could have been after any game. Which final was this one, Gap? Which final was this? Was it 99? No, I think that would have been the Chelsea.

13:44How mad that he's wearing that kit aged 13 and then goes on. Do you want to see that? I always think things like that is like mad. So you all think I was greedy, but it was just accident. You got 20 grand for a car. What car did you pick? There you go. What year is that? Is that my first contract? 1996, 20 grand. 26 for a car. Yeah, but they just give you the money you got. I can't remember. Oh, so do you not actually go and buy a car? No, not if you've got a car. That's just a contribution I think they give to you.

14:16What about when the away team have got beaten, been beat badly, and they go and see the support? Is this new thing? I'm commentating on games. And they stand there. They're just standing there. Clapping like this. They all stand there. And the crowd are going mad at them. It's a bit like, am I showing personality and character? Am I standing here getting like a volley of abuse? just get down the tunnel and someone always ends up arguing Jared Bowen did Jared Bowen yep someone always ends up involved just clap and go clap and go clap and go right I think I might have to make an apology why what's that because we said the World Cup final was basically the Ryder Cup pushed it close I thought you know I thought he pushed it close that three days was incredible television that unbelievable and like I said for three days Roy's saying it was over after one.

15:04How bad were the Americans, by the way? You know something? Can I tell you something? Can we just talk about the Americans first, Roy, just quickly? They were so uncouth, bro. Yeah, yeah. I agree. It was disgraceful behaviour and like the thing is, that's America at the moment. Well, the apple don't fall far from the tree. Exactly. And that is where they are at the moment. You know what? You know what one of the worst things about that? None of the players have come out and apologised for the way that they've acted towards the European players because that will not happen at a dear manor. I guarantee you in Ireland in two years time it will never happen it won't happen but they were wound up and pumped up Keegan Bradley all of them oh this is New York this is New York and like we ain't got no problem I thought he was in Goodfellas then we got no problem with bantering like but in their backswing shouting like you fat F to like Shane Lowry when he's getting ready to do his putt it was just disgraceful no football no football match No sportsman would have gone through what they've done.

16:04Did it put them off? Of course it put them off, but they got through it. Of course it put them off. Rory told them to shut the fuck up. While he was playing, he turned around and told someone to shut the fuck up. That doesn't happen anywhere else. This is what I'm saying. The levels of strength of their mentality is something I can't even fathom. It's a brilliant watch to show that. It was amazing. Rory's saying it was over in the first day. It was over after two hours. Anybody who's watched golf know it wasn't over. It wasn't over. It was over after two hours. Of course it was. And everyone's like, oh, you never know on Sunday.

16:35You know something. That last day. Nothing happened on Sunday. That last day. It was over on Friday after they started. Last day, I think only one of them got a couple of half matches. Yeah, because they knew they couldn't lose it, Ian. America could never win after two hours. Exactly. After two hours. I can't believe I'm here in two hours. I must admit, on the Sunday on the way home from Newcastle Arsenal, I was watching it for three and a half hours. I have to say, there was a moment where he thought this could be... No, it was never going to happen. That's the way it's designed. It's meant to be a little bit close.

17:01But it's like a football team. You know, we're four on it up and they get one back. You go, could you jump in? I go, no, that's not going to happen. We're four on it up. Roy, this is why. They were in front. This is why you put the players out you put out. That's why you load it at the front with the better players and you try and put a couple at the bottom of the experience like Shane and Bob McIntyre. I know all that. I didn't know how to do that as well. For that eventuality, just in case it gets to a place where they... Because the Americans are much better at singles because they're more selfish and it's all about them.

17:25The English players and the European players are used to the foursomes and the four balls. I'm watching the home Playing for someone else It was over after two hours I'm telling you now I'm not going to argue I'm not going to argue You should have done a bet I should have done a bet I would have won the bet I would have won the bet I told you it was over after two hours No, no, I would have won the bet because it was a better sporting event than anything I've seen I thought it was one of the highest pressure environments you could put in a sport when you're thinking about sort of the puts that were going in and the sort of atmosphere So you tell me, right I'm no expert in golf I don't play the game but I watch top level sport So you're sending the pressure on these players because some people were shouting.

18:00Become a footballer and go to Leeds or Anfield on a Tuesday night, let me tell you. These guys play in big torrents every week, so all of a sudden they're going to be upset by a few yanks. These people are right in the... You know what? I'm not even going there because I know... You've got McIlroy. McIlroy's won all the big prizes. Do you think he's going to be upset by a few people? It's ridiculous. And then they get upset because of their partners. Let me tell you why you said to your partner. If I was a golfer and my partner was getting abused, I said to my partner my wife and my girlfriend going just stay at the hotel love I'll see you tonight when I get back because you don't come to all the other tournaments but guess what you get a new outfit and you come to the Ryder Cup stay at home you've got a lovely new outfit you've got a new belt a new handbag I'm going I'm getting loads of stick we'll go home right we need to get Rory back up and I guarantee you they're going back to a nice hotel you know what I mean they're not in a camp no no no you know why you know why the wise oh here we go go on Nick Valder Go on.

18:59You know why the wives are there? Because it's meant to be a lovely sporting occasion where you bring your wife. But they knew that before it. They knew that, Ian. Are you telling me? No one knew they were going to get that much. Yeah, of course they did, Ian. They knew they were going to get something. No one could say they knew they were going to get that. They've been done for the last six months. Wait till you come to America. Of course they knew they were going to get abused. They knew they were going to get abused, but it was never... They thought... It was a football match. Rory McIlroy had to tell someone to shut the F up.

19:22Well, he shouldn't be swearing either, should he? Hey, I didn't see him signing autographs afterwards, by the way.

19:30Honourable. Honourable. Honourable. Honourable. Yeah, exactly. Listen, I'll give you that one. Thanks, Nick. Thanks, Nick. Don't call me Nick Farmer. Honourable.

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22:24the bridge now the bridge of sort of the interim sort of manager if you like and Michael Carrick being selected what do we make of that in terms of one the principle of someone coming in to the end of the season as a starter when I was talking about people it looked like it was Ollie or Michael Carrick I did think Michael Carrick was probably the best choice not out of them two but if you're thinking about getting to the end of the season I think the interesting thing is they haven't called him they've not called him interim manager they've called him head coach till the end of the season but it almost feels like especially and fair play to him he's brought his own team he's got Steve Holland in they'll be worried about the interim head coach because to be fair usually means the players have got a reason to switch off thinking he's not going to be here next season I think the interesting thing is this almost like I've got a chance at a job here did he bring Steve Holland in?

23:13Or was that the club? Maybe. Who knows? They're the other issues, Jamie. That might be gone on the background. Do you think if he does really well, he's got a chance to get him the job? Look, I mean, to be fair, I've got a lot of time for Oli, a lot of time for Rude, a lot of time for Michael Carrick. I think the three great lads, who to be fair, I hope he does really well. There cannot be any... They should get two. There cannot be any consideration that Michael takes the job beyond this season. For Michael and for the club. They should go for two. If he wins every game, Look, we could be sat here at the end of the season where he's done unbelievably well and we're always thinking the fans are up and they're in the Champions League places, he's a fifth or whatever.

23:51It could happen if there's a good run and we could all be getting swayed with it. I honestly feel like at the end of the season when you've got Pochettino, Tuchel and Ancelotti, and I've said Ancelotti, I've said Ancelotti, I just feel purely because he's 66 years of age, he's got probably the best job in the world right now. He's probably got one job left at club level. What, to deal with the people upstairs at Man United? right now to be fair if there's one person I think who's got the patience the composure the experience of the Premier League he doesn't care about the media even the fact that it's Manchester United look I don't think he plays that sort of way the reason I say that guys Ancelotti for me is a manager let's say Oli had come in and he got you know he can't quite get you over that hurdle and you've got your second, third Europa League final, I think Ancelotti's the man then.

24:47I think the energy that we'd be needing now to turn this club around, I don't think Ancelotti's that man. He's just an experience, Cara. I just think Man United right now are a Europa League sort of level team where it's like that's going to take a lot of transferring, those energy driving the club forward every single day to get them back up there. It's not like we need someone to get us over the line. I think it's Ancelotti would almost be the guy after that guy. That's what I think. Could they play? Simone? I ruled out Enrique purely because I just didn't think he would come. But isn't that bizarre?

25:21We're talking about options. You're ruling people out. No, I just thought... But United should be thinking, let's try and get the best of the best. Alonso? You can't go there. Yeah, but Roy, you say that. Like I mentioned Tuchel. Tuchel's the kind of manager... Don't listen up on Bruno Tuchel. No, no, the reason why is that Tuchel's not going to listen to what's going on upstairs there. Has he not spoken to them before? Has he not gone for the job? Yeah, but they're messing him about, apparently. But right, how Tuchel's playing currently with England, how Tuchel's playing currently with England with Morgan Rodgers, with Pace, with sort of, you know, on the right, they've got Madweke or Saka, and they've got Gordon on the left.

25:53It does feel a little bit, we've obviously got Kane up front, and they've got better players than United have, let's be clear, but how he's playing with England currently, I know he's got two very good central midfield players in Rice and Anderson as well, But how he's playing does feel like something that could work at United. Ancelotti does play like a style of 4-4, 1-1, 4-4-2. They're not going to be able to deal with a character like Tuchel. That's why Tuchel probably wouldn't get Man United because he's not going to just abide by what they want. He wants to do what he does. That's what they need, United.

26:21I think for now, most United fans will agree with the decision to get to the end of the season because of the managers who are becoming available. If they don't get one of the two or three big names at the end of the season, why wouldn't they just go for the person now that they were going to go for? they must be thinking that they're going to get one of them big ones. Someone who's in the World Cup. You want to appoint a bridge now. You want to appoint a bridge. You might as well just appoint someone who's like, go and get someone else now. I mean, who's going to become available at the end of the season?

26:43Well, it's all the World Cup manager you mentioned. I think the three that stand out are Pochettino, Tuchel and Ancelotti, because they've got Premier League experience. And you're mentioning those because you think they're easier to get now, aren't you? And they're available. They're going to be available after the World Cup. Yeah, but surely that shouldn't... Again, if you're after the best, it's like trying to get the best player. It's meant to be hard walked in. You said Eddie Howe, Roy, on telly the other day. I mean, I like Eddie Howe as well, to be fair. He would be in the top probably four for me as well.

27:08If Eddie Howe got it, if he was available, then... The guys you've mentioned there, there's obviously almost a pecking order. But if you have an option, if you think you've got a chance to go, Man United should be, let's go for the very, very best. If you can't get him, obviously you go down. But I certainly wouldn't be ruling Eddie Howe out of it. I just think it's... I'm a big fan of Eddie Howe as a manager. We're talking about lads coming into the Premier League. We look at the United manager's left and all his staff new to the Premier League. That's a big shock to lots of people. It's been a shock to lots of players who've come in TNA the last few years.

27:37It's nice to get somebody who's an experienced manager, quite a calm personality. I think as well, Roy, don't you think that the appointment should be one that's a proper statement? Maybe, I get that as well. A bit of excitement about it, I get all that. I get that stuff, of course. They've had everybody, really, haven't they? When you look at the scale of managers, they've tried from inside. Isn't it strange, the noises the last even few weeks, people say they need someone from a United connection I'm not sure about all that stuff I don't think that necessarily works to be fair though when Amorim was sacked and you started sort of seeing sort of Michael Oli Rude and I can't remember it felt a bit sad a bit like we're here again you know we've done it twice before with Oli and with Giggs obviously when David Moyes we've been here Liverpool did it a couple of times didn't they with Kenny and you just think we've seen this movie before but I don't think there's any other option for them right now But if they weren't to get the manager in the summer, I think there would be massive pressure.

28:33If they weren't. What's killed United managers over the last eight years, they've tried everything. David Moyes is a certain type. Louis van Gaal and Mourinho are sort of giants of the European game. They then got two fresh young ones in Ten Haag and Amourim. They've gone for the old boy and all. They've tried everything. They've tried absolutely everything. We've all probably at the time thought, maybe it's not a bad appointment. So you just have to try and remove risks now. Who can handle the media? who can basically sort the dressing room out and not take any shit who can handle the owners and to be fair almost sort of get across them and say look I'm sorry that's not happening and deal with that and being there and seeing it and done it who plays the style of play I think it's important who sort of plays that idea that United will at least fans will like to go and watch them and who's got Champions League experience who's got big club experience Tuchel Tuchel Ancelotti they have they have got they were all over the place Chelsea remember he went in they have they've won the Champions League I think Tuchel and Ancelotti look Eddie Howe now with winning a trophy and actually getting into the top four been at a big club at Newcastle it's probably a step up but still he has got that type of experience I think Eddie Howe though it's like best man for the job or best job for the man it's not a very attractive job for somebody to go into like really is it one of my other points actually Jill at the moment is to make it an attractive club for players to come to I think Ancelotti and Tuchel probably would put a seriousness to it that would mean that players might think okay they're going to turn If you put a younger manager in, I think United will lose out on a lot of players anyway, just generally.

30:00But if you've got Ancelotti there, he would encourage, I think, players to come. I do think Ancelotti encourages players, and they need that right now, because I'm not sure players are going to be queuing up at the top to come, unless there's someone there that they can believe in. Especially if they're not in the Champions League. If they don't make the Champions League, that's not a huge issue for the club in the summer.

30:23So, Neve, you're on 1.75. Am I reading that right? What year was that, Roy?

30:31So, when is that? That was 2009. That's my last contract at the club, but I wasn't. That was on... This isn't a thing. I think the sign-on fees are different. This is a contract, this one. It was 1.75. basic in 2009 yeah you happy with that no you think that's underpaid him overpaid under massively underpaid oh yeah 100 % I always was why no but he's saying it on Jamie's saying it because he knows he's on double on triple he'd walk into his office wouldn't he just tell him no no I used to say that's fine no problem get on with it I'm happy yeah but you can do that now Tiger Sports Management no but to be fair you improve a little bit let me just have a look Let's have a look.

31:18So it's one point, it was one point seven. He's bullied you for 20 years. You should not be on that. No, no, Jim. Cara. He got looked after the last few years. Oh, did he? Cara, can I... That's 2009, that's his last year, isn't he? Cara, can I just make the point, by the way? Yeah, when he wasn't playing. So the boss never did my contract with me at any time during my career. Yeah, but he had some say on it, Cara. He never once offered me a contract. It was always done via... So are you saying he doesn't know how much you're going to get? Jamie, he didn't kick a ball for the last two or three years.

31:41He was on that...

31:46I'd stay around the club for six points, getting paid. Cara, I was on 2.25 because I got half a million, but I can't find it in this contract. Oh, yeah, offshore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Offshore. Yeah, it says here, right, in 2001, let's say, I'm trying to picture your creation. 2001, so I'm 26, 25, 26. Prime. Just won the treble, prime. Prime, right? You're on 1.5 million. Listen, I know it's a lot of money. A week. So that's, what's that,£30 ,000 a week? Yeah. So in your prime, in 2001, you're on£30 ,000 a week. I suppose what were players earning then? Would that be good wages then? He'll tell you, you're on four, won't you?

32:30I wanted to tell you, what, you're on four? Yeah, but I was a much better player, obviously. I'm not debating that. But we keep saying, well, you kept saying long-term contracts. So you've never had a good bad in a position. I remember. Did you sign a seven-year contract? Yeah, six years, seven years. Why? Because he loves Man United. Do you know something, Cara? It was never a focus for me. He does. Do you know something? I never, ever once worried about the much side of it. That's a good way to be. Do you know something? I thought, do you know something? If I can get to the end of my career at 35, 36 at Manchester United, I know I'll be all right.

33:04I know I'll be all right. Now, I wouldn't earn as much money by signing his long-term contract, but I thought, do you know something? That worked for you, Gary? My post-football career, I thought, you know, being a one-club man, being at United was the right thing to do. Get into that post. When they offered me a seven-year contract at lower money, it was better for me than going for four years or three years at higher money and thinking my contract's going to run out. Like yourself as a player? You get injured. I always thought in a more cautious way that if I got injured or if I got sort of...

33:30So this contract... There's nothing wrong with that, gal. Look at you now. Look at us. All this because of you, gal. Just quickly, right? This contract here, right? So this contract, imagine this contract, right? I've signed for 1.75 million. That's basic though, Gary, isn't it? Is that including your sign-on fee? No, sign-on fee. I don't know where it is in there, though. There is a sign-on fee on top of that. Yeah, exactly, Gary. That's your basic. Just quickly, I then got injured in 2008. You'll remember, was out for a year. And my contract ran for another four years, right? I'm still at Manchester United at the age of 34 because I signed that long-term contract, because I was out of contract base, because I was injured for like a...

34:08So your safety net was perfect. You was right. No tactics. I had to get to the end of my career at United. I couldn't bear the thought, and it's not disrespectful to any other club because it's an amazing club. I couldn't see myself in another shirt. It would have made me so unhappy. I just thought I had to get to the end of my career at United. Jamie, you the same? What did you earn at the end of your career, though? Double that? Trouble that? No. I'm thinking you were Man United. You were England right back. Was you double that? No, the most I ever earned, when you talk about your basic salary, I'm just trying to think now.

34:45So when we won the Champions League in 2005, it was just that time when I was due for a contract, so I went to about£40 ,000 a week, whatever that was, a year, but it was about£40 ,000 a week. I'd have a signing on fee for about£250 ,000. I had almost four£250 ,000 things. So it was like a signing on fee was one. Another one was if we qualified for the Champions League. So you were about£3 million a year. Another£250 was for playing 25 games in a season, which I always did. I always played like 50 games a season. And the other one was if I played 20 league games. Do you understand what I mean?

35:23So you got£3 million, basically. Is that what that works out? Yeah. So you're a double what I was on. And at Liverpool, that would have been cash, obviously, wouldn't it? Of course.

35:34And no cash. I've still got it!

35:39LAUGHTER I've never seen a man carry as much cash as in him. Why have you had so much cash? Showing people your cash. He's a dead boy, isn't he? We've got so much cash. I don't like it. I've got a gig for you, mate. I've got a gig.

35:57But you never got paid as much, did you? If you come through the academy at the club, you never got paid as much as players come through the club. Wayne's been quite about contracts. Yeah, we get yours under tier. he's laughing at you you might not want to answer this but you also might want to take it out even if you do answer it what would your biggest contract have been at United biggest because I'm your teammate based in 2010-11 I'm on 1.75 I'm captain yeah 17 million a year at United I think I should have got paid a little bit more do you you say 1.7 or 7 yeah 1.7 that's amazing well done congratulations yeah Yeah, it's a different time, isn't it?

36:36Poor than Paul. Paul's still with him as well. Let's have a chat after, I think I need an agent.

36:43Paul's up there looking... All that stuff I said over the years about not needing an agent, you need a fucking agent.

36:5317 million. Yeah, that's unbelievable, was it? Wow. It was changing then, weren't it? Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I think so, yeah. I feel underpaid now. Roy what was your biggest one that you ever had at the end did you get up to five yeah about five or five and a half maybe yeah and that was big I mean that was huge back in 2003 4, 5 yeah but I got better now I keep saying but my contract was running a couple of times so I was in a good bag in a position whatever I could have left a couple of times on a free no the sound was working he did say 17 million he did say 17 million yeah I'm just checking if everybody's doing it right

37:38It would be nice to see Coventry back, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be nice to see that. I mean, Coventry, to be fair, when I first started in the first team, Coventry were playing. Darren Huckabee, Peter and Love, Bobby Keane, Dion. Harts, Dion, yeah. Brilliant. Remember that wheeling? Was it the wheeling? The big fellow up front? Craig Bellamy was there. No wheeling. No wheeling. Remember Kilcline at the back all the years ago? No, who was the little winger? I've never gone back to Spurs. Bennett. He put the cross in the house. Yeah, that was Ben. There was also another little lad in midfield.

38:06Glyn, the little fella. I can see him with the black hair and the little moustache. Glyn? Glyn? Mickey Flynn? Flynn? Was there a player as well? Who's the midfield? It's Glyn. It's Glyn. No. Mickey Glyn? Mickey Glyn? No, no, no. It's not Sean Glyn. I think it's Mickey something. He's all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have we got any help? You know what? I was talking about Glyn. I've got a clue. And I described them as to our James, because obviously before his time, you can't believe that Coventry were in the First Division every year. I said, they were almost like a palace. Not a palace now. But you'd always felt, they'd never go down, but they were always in the middle.

38:44I was explaining the cup. We were talking about them yesterday, we were in the cup. It's one of the most famous, probably, FA Cup games that everyone remembers. When we went up, when Palace, when we came up. Sean Flynn. It's not Sean. No, it's not Sean. Mickey. We had to play some top two. Gin. Gin. Mickey. Gin. Mickey. Mickey Quinn. I know Mickey Quinn. Mickey Quinn. A little midfield player. You know, you look at, you see Liverpool, you see United, you see Tottenham, you see them names and then we saw Coventry and was thinking, oh yes, at least we get a break with Coventry. They were different.

39:13Can I tell you the story about Coventry? The right back. Who was the right back? Who was the right back? He played Hurrows. No, right back. Boroughs was left back. What's the right back? Boroughs was a right back? Coventry. Boroughs was left back. He was a right back. What's the big one? Ryan Hurrows. I was on a right back, ended up I played with him up at Celtic or maybe I'm going too far back when Gordon was there Coventry was where Roy pinned me up in the dressing room at half time the only time oh Jesus they said pin you up Gary Roy you never forget a pinning what for what for I wasn't a pinning kind of guy I just didn't you lied so you didn't want to hit me but you wanted to know that you could hit me what was it for so basically the ball gets played out Gary says basically there's a lie coming yeah basically Basically, let me be playing.

39:58Mind my own business and he attacked me, your honour. Go on, so on, basically. So basically, the ball gets played out to me on the right hand side. Just before half-time, like 44 minutes. He's right on half-time. 44, the detail. Because he's traumatised, bro. Go on, gal. Right. And basically, I've gone to... I've took a touch to take it down the line and then basically put it in. And he said, play it in first fucking time. So he wanted me to play it in first time. Yes. I went, fuck off. What? Basically, he said. It was so fast. Anyway, it was just on the way. And I think he shouted at me like that.

40:34And basically, unfortunate for me, the halftime whistle. I needed five minutes. I was like, calm, calm. Did you stay out on the pitch? I got in at halftime. And you just grab it. Oh, Gary, I don't believe you. Can you not remember? Because I don't get happy. You're like Rory McEnroy. You make up these stories. You know what I can see you doing? No, I'm not a pinning guy. Because he said it so close to half-time. Yeah, maybe, yeah. That's quite hard for him to put the ball in first time if you've pinged it in. No, but I would have roared it. Gary got a pinning. You give a type of pass to put in first time.

41:16You don't have a pass. I'm going to find a pass. Yeah, because a pinning is almost like, I got you, I couldn't move. A pinning is like... Yeah, it's like a... It's like a boy in the off, mate. And then the whole of the second half, whatever, come in, you were just kicking it first. Oh, every cross from there and in was first time. It's the next ten years. Right, I want to draw towards... On Instagram the other day, and obviously there's a lot of hoo-ha around Bellingham, and I think you're absolutely right, there's a comment that you made off the back of a story that was brewing around Jude Bellingham being unhappy.

41:51He said, they need to create this kind of beef because there's nothing else to talk about till the World Cup, so it's going to be all the way to the World Cup. They hate that they can't get to him. They hate that they can't negatively influence his club career like they have done with so many before him. A blessed young man with talent and love in abundance. When you said they hate that they can't get to him, what do you mean? Look, his parents have kept him away from the Premier League. You know what I mean? He doesn't play in the Premier League. He kept him away from the journalists. They can't get to him through, like I said in there, through his club, like through Real Madrid, so as they can try and, like, taint the way Real Madrid's thinking and say, yeah, we're going to keep him in line and that.

42:29They cannot get to this guy. And this is somebody who is very much an achiever. He goes out, he's a winner, he wants to do it, he wins. What they said about Jude not celebrating that was complete fabrication of life. So what they're trying to do, they're trying to build something because England have qualified so, so easy. They've not conceded any goals. They've won all the games easy. So they need to have something else to pile on top of the narrative. You've got a manager who's very, very honest in everything. He said we spoke to him. He's really candid in how he speaks. And he said that. We asked him a question.

43:01I said, are you worried about having any regrets about your honesty and giving so much detail? He said, no, because I say the same thing in there. So they know that. Them journalists will know that. And they will try to ask him something that he will answer that they can run with again. And I'm worried for Jude simply because he's somebody that they can't control. You can't control him. Obviously, coming off of the who else and what he's done in the World Cup, he's showing people that, you know, I'm here, I'm black, I'm proud, I'm ready to go. All that vibe is something that a certain man can't deal with.

43:30I agree with you. A personal experience, and I've spoken about this in 2016, that Raheem Sterling came to see me in the tournament and said that he felt as though he was being persecuted, that it was unfair and it was basically not relating to football. And I remember at the time me giving him a completely and utterly inadequate answer, and I've spoken about this publicly since, where I said, look, Raheem, it's because of your quality and who you are and what you are that they're criticising you. I remember they did this with Wayne Rooney. I actually name-checked him. They did this with David Beckham.

43:58They did this with Paul Gascoigne. The best players, the biggest names. But actually what I didn't read at the time, and to be fair what he was actually crying out and asking me for help for, was around the fact that this wasn't relating to his football performances, which it was with maybe yourself or with Gazza or with Bex. It was more around the colour of his skin and this persecution around how if he had a car that was this and another player had a car that was this that was white, there was a difference in reporting of it. Do you think that is happening again in front of our eyes here? You know something, I remember saying, I had to do something for GQ not long ago, and I said, I don't think, as Englishmen, there's certain Englishmen, I'm an Englishman, I can't hide from that.

44:33Even though when I was younger, people would say, yeah, but you're not really English, are you? Yeah, I'm English. I don't think they're ready for a black superstar like that, who can move like Jude's moving. You know, they can't touch him, like I just said. He goes out there, he performs, he does what he does. He says, who else? It's too uppity for these people. Something that they used to say back in the day, if you're a black guy or a black man who's, you know, I'll put it in a football term. So everybody, they love N 'Golo Kante. He's a humble black man, gets on with what he's doing. I'm not saying that he's an Uncle Tom or anything, just saying that's how his personality is.

45:07But if you get a Pogba or a Bellingham and you get that kind of energy, that does not sit well with the people, that kind of person. So someone like Jude, for some reason, frightens these people because of his capability and the inspiration he can give. It's something that you're taught when you're, as a black man, when you're going out there, you just want to try and do the best you can and keep your head down and be, what, for want of a bit, a humble fucking slave. This is where this is coming from. This is dragging up from that kind of energy. Because if you are outspoken black, and doing that kind of, playing to that kind of level and not caring, that frightens certain people.

45:47And that's what's going to happen with Jude. This guy who I'm telling you about in respects of the, he's obsessed with him, he's moving off of that energy. He can't look and see a black man doing what Jude's doing and think that that's not uppity. He's not an uppity n***. That's where I'm going with that. That's where that comes down to. I mean that's some speech that righty and I think it definitely I remember with Raheem coming to see me placing it back into I was thinking right I've got to pick him up because he was low it's very hard he was really low he was like he was down on for him to come because you don't know where to go there's no way and he had nowhere to go so he comes and sees me and I've not got the ability the probably education or the understanding to be able to give him the answers and the understanding that he was coming to me with I remember at the time and it only actually, I remember seeing, it was something on X a year later where it showed an article, the articles on Raheem where he had a car, house, jewellery, a watch and articles about a white player and what the headlines were and the difference and you could see this complete and utter bias that just right, now I get what he means.

46:58I only saw it a year or so later but that's something that I can see at the moment it is happening with Drew Bellingham. You know what? Again, it's a tiring thing. It's a tiring exercise to talk about. And I sent a message to Jude, right, saying, listen, my friend, be ready. You know, I feel something you can feel. When was this, right? Before the England game. This just now? Yeah, before the England game. And I just said, just be ready. Well, it's good that you can help him, right? Well, the thing is, you know what? You know what the thing is, though? And I'd say, maybe, you know, of course it's private, but he said, ready for what?

47:33and I said, listen, it's coming and I'm here. I'm going to be here. I'm going to make sure that I'm going to be on this side. Because what happens is that it just comes and it just keeps coming. It's like a tsunami. And unless you play well and do something, and that just shifts it for a little while because as soon as you play again and you don't play well, it comes back. And so he said, what's going on? I said, just be ready for it. And it's here.

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50:15So someone bought me a Union Jack guitar because Noel was playing me one back in the day and I used to like Oasis a lot and I was learning guitar. So there you go. So Dave Gardner and Bex knew Noel. so they sent it to him for me to sign it. They said we can get it signed. What's he say, girl? And this is the... Let me just take it over. Careful. Here we go. Dear Gary, how many caps have you got for England? How many do you think you deserved? I'll tell you. Fucking none. Lots of love, Noel Gallagher. That's 20 years old, that. Wow. That's 23 years old. Why would he say that? Yeah, at the time he was a...

50:52Obviously he's a Mad City fan but this is probably 20, 25 years old. Why was you saying that, dog? You know something? Maybe you could have put it to the side a little bit. It's a joke, I think. I mean, it's a joke. I took it in the spirit. I took it in the... I hope it's a joke. It's not a good joke. Can I just say that the fucking nun in capital letters doesn't make it funny. Oh, man.

51:17You play it now, have you? No, no. You can't play it? No, no. I never played it. What are you thinking about? I've not even got it up right now. The way it was wrapped then, have you got that wrapped? Was that wrapped in your house? Oh, there we go. So that was wrapped in my house, just literally. I don't even have it up. I should put it up on the wall. I thought you might have something. I don't have anything up on football. You see what I've done here? But when you do that, you've got to do it like you're going to... You do that, and then you go, right? Is it something like a museum? It's a museum.

51:42Try to finger me. Oh, sorry. And this one's a little bit nicer, but you'll take the piss out of them first. Karen. Yes, righty. So I need to read this. Someone take this. Jesus. It's so rude. What's Bruce Springsteen with? So basically, Bruce Springsteen stayed at the hotel, at my hotel, and he hired it exclusively for, I don't know, let's say two weeks. And I did him a welcome note. But I didn't go and see him, I just wrote him a welcome. So basically, I did him a welcome note, and he wrote me a little note back. I'll put it nice on the note. Thank you for the note. I don't know if you want it, to be fair.

52:17What was your note? What did it say? So, it's a bit soppy, my note. What was it? We'll do you a good read if you come back next year. Welcome to Manchester and to our hotel. We pride ourselves on looking after every guest equally and with care, but for you, I had to write a note. Back in January 1985, a month before my 10th birthday, I was watching Top of the Pops at home and saw something different, something that made me fall in love with the guitar music and it was dancing in the dark. The day after, I ran into the bus stop to catch a bus into my hometown, Bury, only a few miles from Manchester to the only record shop in the town called Vibes to buy my first ever album Born in the USA.

52:53I was in. Me and my dad would listen to this record in the car all the time. They were great times and I wish he was here to see you play live with me. I have no words for how good you are and how you make us all feel. I will be with you watching on the 17th and 20th in Manchester and coming to San Sebastian in Milan. I'd watch you every damn day if I could. Please enjoy Manchester, enjoy the people and I hope you enjoy the hotel. All my love, Gary Neville. That's not soppy, gal. I love that. Why do you say that's soppy? Thank you for the note and this is why I do what I do. Bruce Springsteen.

53:23It's my job. It's my job. This is it. That's what he said. You know what he said? This is why I do what I do. It's my job. Fucking hell. Bruce Springsteen, Roy Keane.

53:37Is that where you got it? No, that's lovely. These two pletrums here, the nice story about this is, right, so basically, Bruce went in the hotel, he had these pletrums in his pocket and he went over to one of the staff in the hotel and gave them the two pledges, I want you to have these for looking after me. And the member of the staff in the hotel said, I want you to have them. Beautiful. I love autographed stuff like that. Oh, mate. Yeah. So they framed it for me, the hotel, and presented it to me. That's cool. My initial reaction to the Ronaldo interview a few years back was similar to Cara's reaction to Salah.

54:09So I would have said the same thing if it was United players. If you're a special player at that level, I'm not expecting you to be fair. I'm expecting you to lift everybody. I'm not expecting you to try and sort of create more problems. And at the time, if you remember, we disagreed on that, if you remember. Yeah. Because you saw it from his side, which was, I understand why these players do what they do. I didn't agree with it at United under Ronaldo, I suppose. My view was, did you... Sorry, Gary, you go back to the Ronaldo stuff. I wasn't giving Ronaldo a thumbs up for what he was doing, particularly at Brentford when he was taken.

54:37It was at Brentford and 20 minutes later he was shaking his head. I would say that about any player. I'd say that about you. But I'd also go, you have to weigh it up like everything else in life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ronaldo the tantrums I'd have in my team every day of the week because these are the guys that get you Salah's helped Liverpool get over the line with lots of other players and because you're part of a club it's a club effort but also you're going it's like everybody else you have to take the good and the bad but if you're a manager Roy and that manager says that about you he's thrown me under but you're not taking that in the right way probably not but I'd also think listen he's won a league title last year he's helped us win a league so you take it's the good and the bad because again Gary the beauty we talk about people on here like Ronaldo we talk about all the great players even guys that the reason why they're great is because there's a bit of fucking madness to some of them we had Ronnie O'Sullivan sitting there we were loving Ronnie because Ronnie's edgy what you get with these lads I thought Leeds game I thought it was strange he didn't come on and I thought Joseph I can imagine him just sat down there on that bench I thought it's a bit weird yeah but if you look at Slott there it's almost like a power thing because why are you not going to bring him on in a game like that you think he was sending him a message right yes he was he was you're sitting there and I'm going to make you sit there I don't agree, right?

55:45Honestly, no, I think you're going to sit there. You're not coming on. I'm not going to bring you on. That's only my opinion, James. Because he could have easily defused it and brought him on because it's not like a game where you're winning 4-5-0. It's not about defusing a situation. It's about a manager trying to get three points who is absolutely fighting for life. If he knows his players like he does. Cara, we're talking about Mo Salah on the bench. I know. And we're talking about Liverpool being 2-0 up. You're not going to bring Mo Salah on a 2-0. You don't need a goal, OK? It then goes 2-2.

56:10The only time we're talking about... Liverpool score five minutes later, OK? The ball's only in play. I looked at this on Monday Night Football. The ball's only in play three minutes. So, OK, can he bring him on in that moment? But the guy who's in his position scores the goal. So he hasn't got it wrong. The guy who's playing in his position scores 3-2. He was never going to be so high off, though. OK. No, no, OK. But the point I'm trying to make is you get to 3-2, OK? You'll say, OK. And I'm not saying that's totally wrong, because Mo Salah could go to the other end and get you a goal. But Liverpool, and the reason why Mo Salah is not playing right now The three games before, Liverpool lost 3-0 at City, they lost 3-0 at home to Nottingham Forest, and they lost 4-0 at home to PSV.

56:47So the only thing the manager is thinking is defensively right now. Now, as time goes on, it'll be more about, we need to attack, we need to defend better. I'd have played him against Sunderland, because I'm saying, OK, I'm looking at the four fixtures, leaves them out against West Ham, I think, I'd always play Salah at home, always. The team are going to be deep, he's going to be round the box. OK. And I was also thinking, he's probably not going to play my way at Leeds. He's probably not going to play my way into Milan as well. And again, probably thinking, you probably can't put him on the bench four times.

57:16But against Sunderland, OK, the game's awful. You bring Salah on a half-time. This game's awful. You bring Salah on a half-time. What was really interesting after the game with Slott, because I'm coming away from the Sunderland game, I've commentated that it's been awful. He spoke quite well about the game, about how strong Liverpool looked defensively and said it was only a deflected goal. I thought, isn't that a strange thing to say? And then he did an interview with Pat Davidson saying in the last two games we've looked a lot stronger defensively. So I'm thinking, he's totally just through the whole attack and he's thinking, forget the attack.

57:46This is about clean sheets. We didn't concede at West Ham and we've only conceded a deflected goal at home to Sunderland. So I'm almost then thinking, OK, I'm understanding. He's not thinking about... So he's thinking, Mo Salah. I'm not thinking of the goals. I'm thinking, he doesn't actually run back. Yeah, but Carrie, what you're describing there is a squad player leaving him out at Inter Milan playing against Southerland, he's never going to accept that. You're going to have a war on him. Especially that kind of player. Bring the war on. The most important thing is the team and the club and getting results.

58:13And by the way, ever since Mo Salah's been on the team, we haven't lost right now. And he's trying to build almost some... We need the confidence back as a Liverpool team where we actually feel secure. Let him go in Caramode. He's in Caramode. And then we can go on and try and get the goals. Mo Salah hasn't played well. I keep saying this. He's one of the greatest players for Liverpool. We love him. Player of the Year last year. but right now the most important thing is not individual players is getting the team back and that's all the managers do but he's not sending a message to anybody but the debate isn't Jamie the debate isn't about I think we're arguing about when he was left out there was going to be so this idea of the manager leaving him out of the team the manager's entitled to do that he's trying to get results and again the argument is going when Salah's left out get ready for fireworks there's going to be fireworks when he's left out how do you?

59:01how much respect I would say the reason Roy and Gary sometimes disagree about Man United is because Man United always treated you with respect. For Roy, they didn't. And I do think that, like, were you ever left out by your manager? Somebody, like, I think when he says thrown under the bus, I don't even think it's about playing time. It's how he's being treated. Yous were probably never treated like that by your club. If you go through that, you do have a different opinion. I do think that. But he thinks the same thing as well. I know, OK. How has he been disrespected? He's been on the bench, right?

59:34For six days. Yeah. Sunday to Saturday. Six days. It was like his whole Liverpool career. He's been in three times. How's Slot treating them away from the game? Well, number one, we don't know that. Most Salahs said, I've got no relationship with the manager. That's what I mean. I know. The manager then got asked about it. He said, I spoke to him on Friday about no play, the day before the game. Yeah, but he could still be treating him like shit every day. Like, you don't like... But you don't know that. But you don't know he's getting treated with respect. I know, but you can't say he's getting disrespected.

1:00:01I don't think he says that, Jamie, if he feels like he's being respected, though, in respects of, like, respect and respect. But the thing is, it's because he feels like that. The manager said he spoke to him. He could have said... So if he feels like that, right, he's allowed to go out and just do what he wants. No, he's not. I'm just saying that... But you need to be fireworks on his lap, though, Jamie. You need to be a reaction. Oh, yeah. We're not agreeing with Saladou, but you're going, as soon as you leave him off for two... Even if it's six days, he's going to react. That's why I've just said, when I'm looking at it, I'm thinking, OK, you're probably playing my home against something because for me, I wouldn't play my way into my life in a Champions League game right now.

1:00:32I wouldn't. I've said that all season. I'd always play Mo Salah at home and some away games I'd look at and think, no, that's not for me. And you're saying you can't leave Mo Salah. Well, you can't and it's more that the team's more than that. But there's a consequence. He's not the Mo Salah of last season, is he? He's not. We know that. And the manager has prolonged it and prolonged it and prolonged it before he's left them out. Let's shift it forward. you're saying that by the way I just want to make one other point about him coming out and feeling disrespect and just like this and I made this point and I'm glad I said it a few weeks ago the thing why I was so strong on Mo Salah was because I don't think it's an emotional outburst number one but number two Mo Salah never comes out as one of the leaders of the team you're saying how big he's this player you can't leave this player you can't leave this player he's so big he's such a leader he never speaks for the club I never said that no you're saying I never said you're saying he's such a big figure of the club Because of what he's done, his numbers, everything like that.

1:01:24What I'm saying is he's seen as a figurehead of Liverpool alongside Van Dijk. He never, exactly, have you heard Mo Salah speak at any time this season when Liverpool have been getting beat or not doing well? Not about his own position, not about whether he's getting enough service or he's playing or he's getting brought up, about the team. I expect, and I'm sure you two did this at Manchester United, and me and Stevie did it, when things are not going well, I think your job as a senior player is to come out and speak for the club and not let other people speak. or younger players in the dressing room and actually send a message out, not about yourself, to the supporters, to the club, we're together, we're going to fix this right and actually take a bit of shit off the questions.

1:02:00I would have expected you to say what you said on the first time of responding to it. No, would you expect Mo Salah to come out and speak for the club or a senior position in that position and he never ever does? It's exactly the same view I had with Cristiano that I view that if you're the greatest player in the world or one of the greatest players in the world, you should carry the dressing room, you shouldn't expect them to basically sort of, you know, you know, pander to you or whatever it may be. But the problem we've got here is that Mo Salah basically is now going to be left out and you said yourself you wouldn't play him in Milan, you wouldn't play him away wherever else.

1:02:28So he's going to come to become a squad player. That's only going to basically end in one thing. That means... OK, so you're trying to tell me you're a man, you just play him every week because you think, oh, I can't put up at the ass level. There are certain players that I saw at United that if they weren't playing it was going to end very badly, very quickly. You're not about memories, stat, no? It's really weird because when you look at it you can actually see them walking out now I remember this button was undone wasn't it yeah yeah yeah let me undo that so that's the FA Cup final against Spurs that's the Cup final against Spurs you wore long sleeve Roy yeah I think we didn't have a choice I think at Forest when I was a bit younger I think how old were you in that Cup final I would have been 19 wow 19 yeah is that the size of it look at the size of it that must have drowned you yeah I've got long hair no no it wasn't too bad but you look at Georgia I was looking at some United ones last night going they seem big yeah but obviously what's the ball but like the first one the journey about getting to Forest that was my first opportunity then Cup final you think it's great then you lose the Cup final so you're on that you're on that what's the one thing you remember what's the one thing if you could pick one thing that you remember from that Cup final truthfully sorting tickets out seriously even before the Gaza yeah sorting tickets out really was hard work yeah it always was for you though yeah it seemed to be but that day in particular when Roy was captain at United so it's a weird system whereby you got 51 tickets there was 17 in the squad I just remember it being and you got three each and basically sort of like if someone wanted two then there might be one but Roy had to go around everybody before the game and navigate who wanted two for every away game and home games as well but it's hard work the same for the other captains obviously Eric Robbo, Bruce it was hard work I'm guessing it's a bit more organised now but yeah on a match day trying to sort tickets and then tickets for the lounge there was many times I stood at Old Trafford many times I stood at Old Trafford I go back to the tickets at Wembley at Old Trafford we're playing a game obviously just says three o 'clock kick off and we come in and I'm on the phone if you remember to the ticket office because lads might who were suspended are coming in injured lads going I'm short one and I'd be on the phone in the corridor about ten to three ten minutes before kick off you know you come in before you go back out I'm going can you get we need a Mazie it could be anybody Sharp we just can you get two more send him down and I'd be doing that and I'd be getting ready for it but I think I've said this before so when Roy left and I became captain I did it for like two games and I literally went that is not because my preparation was everything to me so lads would be coming up to me like half an hour before kick off oh I forgot to put these tickets on and I went Giggsie I'm sorry I know that I'm supposed to do this I cannot do that I cannot do that it was honestly our dressing room before the game we were talking about preparation preparation was absolutely perfect and the last hour before the game the time you would be on there'd be people fucking singing in the chorus dancing fucking about laughing and then basically there'd be tickets being sorted Gaffrey'd be walking in asking about a horse or something and it's like what the fuck is going on I had to go and sit in the actual players lounge toilet seriously together the players lounge toilet on my own players lounge toilet on my own same toilet every week and sit there for five ten minutes just to get myself together did you need a ticket?

1:05:33I was afraid to ask for a two ticket I would never think of that honestly because like when it was wound down to total tight but you know what strange enough radio I think it was a good way for everyone not tickets to the last minute but the TV nobody was sitting there going almost a game took care of itself the lads that were injured that weren't playing they'd be in there messing around as well so when you came back in from the actual warm up and it was like seven minutes to kick off or eight minutes to kick off the lads would be in there the telly would be on and be like do I not fucking tell you but then lads would come at the last minute going can I get a ticket someone's let me down and you're like and I'd be back on the phone and I'm kicking off in ten minutes honestly but the cup of wine go back to that one so I'm trying to get tickets but every away game my first year of Forest you go to a away match Percy would give you the tickets on a match did on the way so I thought it was the same format so I gave all my obviously all my tickets were gone to family from Ireland but my two brothers were coming I said I'll give you your two tickets on the day so on the way to Wembley I said to Pearce Pearce have you got my two tickets for the cup final he went no the cup final is different it's not like a league match you're supposed to collect that during the week in the office and your brothers are coming so my two brothers are coming so I'm getting stripped I'm going for the warm up and I just come back from an ankle injury so I get I think obviously the game is a trick you go a bit earlier because you're obviously meeting people I go to my two brothers at Wembley but I've got money with me because after the game I'm thinking I'll obviously be going on a session one way or the other and I had about £1 ,000 on me so I gave to my brothers I went you have to go and buy two tickets lads I forgot my two tickets I left so my two brothers went right so I gave him£1 ,000 window I got warmed up came back in your brothers are back at the gates you know the big gates at Wembley so I go back out to them I'm going to say this is about again 20 to 3 again it's a bit earlier because again you have to meet people and I went no we can only buy one ticket for a thousand because it was Spurs it was London and one of them wouldn't buy one without the other so they went here's your money back we're obviously we're going to miss it so I go back in the dressing room cut final and I'm like and Des I'm sitting next to Des Walker and Des went everything I went I forgot my two tickets and my two bros and he went Des opened his jacket and I've got two Spurs oh no way did you give him a thousand pounds you know the thing is I gave to him I went to have cut final tickets I've got a game in ten minutes oh my god Obviously they got in, but all the hassle of the...

1:07:44And that went on for years and years. And then what happens is when you're playing, like you would have experienced no doubt the same. So then you try and get tickets for a match, but then that's not good enough. It's got to be a match and the lounge afterwards. And then even I got to the stage later on in my career, I went, we're not too worried about the match, but can we get in the lounge? Because it might be a free bar or they might see a player they want to photograph for an order. So that followed me throughout my career. A lot of that was my own fault, trying to please everybody.

1:08:13Has it crossed your mind if they don't win it this year? Of course it does. What do you think my head was in my hands when the tackle was on the ball? Patrick, before the game, said now or never. Even just a few Arsenal fans, obviously not the same sort of stature as Patrick, are saying, to be fair, if we don't win it this year, we'll never win it. I don't believe that. No, no, no, write it. I'm sorry, I know that's just a statement, but my point is that is the feeling. If you don't win it now, it's almost like... Yeah, but Gary, you're kind of like forgetting the fact that we've tried, for the last three years.

1:08:41This anxiousness is what's going to happen. The other teams are in a different place now, right? Yeah, they're in a different... I'm not interested. Liverpool are out of it. I'm not interested with Liverpool or City at the moment because we are in the... But you can't not win it this year. It's in our hands to do it. Yeah, but you can't not win it this year. Do you agree with that? What do you mean, we can't not win it? You can't not win it. You have to win the league this year. You must agree with that. That's not putting pressure on you, by the way. It is putting pressure on us. No, it's not.

1:09:05We can't not win it. Do you see how we played the other day? if something don't change you know that's something that you have to worry about no Arsenal Football Club are the greatest clubs in this country and in Europe and you basically got to get back to winning titles you haven't won one for 20 years and it's there in front of you you must have a mentality of we have to win this league this year you have to well that's what I'm hoping they've got that mentality no not hope yeah but you're hoping because we've just seen a result where it looks like well mistakes you know we're losing a game obviously it's against United it's a big game for Arsenal United but they've lost a game that would have been a brilliant marker if you won that game and moved on again.

1:09:41Righty, were you surprised at the Nottingham Forest game? Because you know when City dropped points, I thought they were going to go to Forest. As a player, you're like, they've dropped points, I'm going to Forest. Are they making sure they're not losing? I was like, going to a 3-0, I'm going to a 4-0. This is what people are saying as well, Jill, is that the way our manager is is that he's more worried about going to win than just like trying not to lose. And I don't think you win anything Honestly, people might say I'm applying pressure to Arsenal. Absolutely not. Everybody hopes to win the title.

1:10:15Everybody wants... No, Gary, right at the start... Everybody hopes to win the title. At the start of this, when we started the season well, I remember you saying, oh, it's Arsenal's to win. After, like, eight games, it's Arsenal's to win with Arsenal, if Arsenal lose from here. After eight games, Gary was saying that to me. Right it. Everybody wants to win the title. Everybody hopes to win the title. Arsenal need to win the title this year. They need to win it this year. This is their year. City have dropped. Liverpool have gone. This is it. The door's open. Don't start sort of like being half-hearted.

1:10:46I'm not being half-hearted. You are a little bit. I'm not being half-hearted. I'm trying to explain where they are in their heads at the moment. What I'm saying is not applying pressure. It's expectation levels of a football club like Arsenal. Yeah. I put them up here. I put them right up here, Arsenal. I'm trying to make the last step, Gary. It's nervous, Gary. No, you're not trying. You've got to make the last step. We're trying to make the last step. We're going to say that then. That's what we're trying to do. We've done it for the last three years, Gal. We're in a position now, Roy. You guys know because we're at that stage of the season where the pressure kicks in.

1:11:18Of course I think we'll do it, but the fact is it's not going to be easiest part of the journey. That's all I'm saying. Right, I absolutely agree. Never easy. But my point is the language coming out of the club, the language coming out of the fan base should be, look, yeah, I get it. We've lost games. We're going to lose games in a season. but this is it. We're winning it this year and we're going to get through this. They're asking a lot of our fan base as well. They've seen it for the last three years. I know, they have. So you've got to expect them. Even me sitting there with my hands in my mouth.

1:11:45They feel like that as well. They still want to be positive about what's going on but they're afraid. It's up to the players to make us realise it's going to happen. That's the word. I think Aston Villa could do it. They're scared. This could be the fourth time. That's what they're afraid of. You can't expect the fans to not feel like that. It's up to the players to eat that. My last statement on this is it feels a little bit unthinkable for Arsenal not to win it, I'll be honest with you. It feels a little bit unthinkable in terms of the impact that that might have. I'm not even going to mention his comment that they're going to be the worst team ever to win the title.

1:12:13If we win it, we win it with more than 77 points like you've got won it. Fuck's sake, I'm scolting it. Is that my mate there? He's just shooting from the hip. I meant to say most boring team, not worst team. There you go, correction. Word of direction. Put him on record. It'll be boring. I'll take boring. It don't matter how you do it. I'll take boring and win. It doesn't matter how you do it. I'm very excited because, again, like you say, I believe, yes, we do have to win it. Thank you. Right? We do have to win it. That's the only statement. And I'm confident enough that we will do it. I agree.

1:12:45I'm confident. Gabby, I have to mention how good United were. Oh, no. Chill. Of course we're coming on to that. That's really clear. Jesus. Have you seen how much we talk about Man United when they haven't done anything? All your bit would be edited out. No, no. Yeah. That arsehole bit will end up being about three minutes. Will Tottenham go down? You said no. No. You said no. 100%. Just staying up. Get all your money. How much money have you got? Just put on Spurs staying up. Guaranteed. Go on, do it. Brought to you by Skybet.

1:13:22What is the odds for them to stay up? What is the odds anyway? What are the odds on Spurs staying up and going down? What are they, seriously? Are they even? Spurs are staying up. I messaged you a while back going, City to win the league and Tottenham to stay up. Oh, yeah? I definitely did. Did I respond to it? No, probably not. Probably just a selfie. But I wanted to know the odds. Have you seen Jill on Instagram dancing? Have you seen that? Yeah, it's brilliant. I love it. Yeah, it's a bit of fun. I love it, Jill. Shall we show one of your pictures, Roy? Shall we show one of your pictures? Can we see Jill dancing?

1:13:51No, let's look at your pictures. Shall we see you dancing, doing a rap song? Show Roy's, like, thingy face. He sent me a really nice one. That one the other day was a nice one. I can't remember. The last one. He was happy. There you go. There! We don't get a response. Yeah, but that's my answer. That's his answer. Read my facial. Right, let me... So you want a shoot there? Yeah, you want. I like when we ask a question. I like when we ask a question in the group, right? And then you do one of your answer question face. Yeah, thanks, Ian. I like it. You don't need 20 texts between them. Come on, man, you know.

1:14:24trying to get... Yeah, but you don't ask... Royce, other reply to you? That's the one. This is all he does. It's like, are you coming to the shop for a coffee? Get one more. Get one more. Do you get the juice of it? Do you get the juice of it? Get one where he's walking Riley or something. It's always cool, Riley one. There you go.

1:14:45Were we at the coffee... You don't get words. Were we at the coffee house last week? Yes. Scramble egg on toast. Right, it. I don't expect you to travel all the way up. That's a shut-the-up face. What's happening? We down on what? Look at that one. Hold on a second. Right. Is that Sophie? It's called Rambles. It's called Rambles, that one. Right. Tottenham going down, yes or no? Yes. Yes. No. I don't want them to for football. You don't want them to go down, do you? No, I don't want them to go down. But like I was with Arsenal, I don't know how they're going to stay. It seems to be the momentum's not with them.

1:15:21It can happen. It's like everybody's thinking, oh, it can't happen because it's Tottenham. It can happen. I think it might happen. I think it might happen. I think they could now. I think they could now. I do. That 2-2 was a real death knell. Just remember, they're staying upright. Mm-hm. They're all sitting on the fence. What do you want?

1:15:45Which is technically, do you think, the goal that would be most difficult to score? The Canios. The Canios. The Caneos and that ball. Do you remember the Caneos? It's coming from that side. I could score the Caneos, but I couldn't score Bergkamps. I could score the Caneos in training. You couldn't score anything. Gary. Gary. I'm telling you. Gary, I'm telling you. The hardest two, I think, is the Caneo and Skolze's one. Skolze's one. Is it the... Yes, that one. If you put 20 balls in, I could do that. Look, hang on. We're not watching. You've got to watch this. If you put 20 balls in there now...

1:16:17Somewhere you can do. I could do that as a sort of... I could get it right once. Don't do that again, please. No. You know something. You don't look like you've even played sports. You look like a schoolteacher. This has been a Global and the Overlap production.

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