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16 Sep 2025 · 43m · 14 chapters

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Agony Abs Special: Would You Leave EVERYTHING Behind for Australia?

In short

“Agony Ab” advice special with multiple listener letters, plus banter from Abby Clancy, Peter Crouch, and substitute Sam (Ross missing). Main segments: relationship logistics (chores/family), job-hiring via connections vs skills, sinus surgery recovery tips, whether to move to Australia, and handling cheating/young breakup, plus a “is she a cow?” birthday/medical timing story and wedding-history embarrassment.

Guests/backgrounds

Abby Clancy (TV personality/model; co-host). Peter Crouch (former footballer; co-host). Sam (stand-in; jokes/dad-joke style). No other guests.

Key claims

Split chores and make effort with a spouse’s family; don’t guilt-trip major life moves—“give it a go” and you can return; cheating “mistake” vs ongoing behavior matters—don’t stay if you’ll constantly check/resent; job opportunities shouldn’t rely on “who you know” (Indeed promotes skills-based profiles); follow sinus post-op routines or symptoms can return; third marriage after tragedy is socially acceptable.

Notable examples

Australia move debate; Daniel’s wife avoids his family and won’t share chores; 19-year-old uni breakup after secret texting; paper round/job-through-connections discussion; Peter’s sinus polyps surgery and routine; garden party dentist surgery anecdote.

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Chapters

0:35

Welcome and Team Update

The hosts discuss Ross's absence and share light-hearted banter while asking listeners to send well wishes.

“When was the last time a display ad changed your mind?”
2:51

Weekly Wine and Communication Styles

Discussion about communication styles within relationships and the challenges of sharing interests.

“Yeah, I reckon this is probably quite a few relationships going through this.”
4:47

Agony Ab Special Introduction

They transition into the 'Agony Ab' special, setting up the advice segment about relationships and chores.

“Things that they're just my passions and they're not your passions.”
6:19

Advice on Chores and Family Dynamics

Hosts provide advice to a listener about relationship challenges, chore distribution, and family involvement.

“When I meet up with them, I always make an excuse why she couldn't come.”
14:00

Job Connections and Their Impact

Explore the complexities of getting jobs through personal connections versus merit.

“of, you know, the bad way to get a job, if you like.”
17:58

Sinus Problems and Personal Experiences

Discuss personal experiences with sinus issues and the impact on daily life.

“podcast brightens up my week in regards to your families uh a question for peter really i've got an ongoing sinus problem and I found out last week I need an operation.”
20:47

Family Vacation Anecdotes

Sharing light-hearted family vacation stories and memorable moments.

“hi guys I just wanted to send a note letting you know I love the show My family and I were on a recent Hawaiian vacation.”
21:25

Squirrel Scares and Animal Encounters

Funny stories about encounters with squirrels and other animals.

“and nothing has been planned how do you know?”
24:28

Considering a Move to Australia

Weighing the pros and cons of relocating to Australia from the UK.

“So I was delighted that, you know, if we ever got attacked and a robber came towards us, you know, I'd be so safe.”
31:11

Navigating a Complicated Relationship

A young woman shares her struggle with trust after being cheated on.

“bye Abby and Pete love the pod been listening for a while but I've never needed to write in until now.”
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34:23

Advice for a Young Listener

Hosts discuss how to move forward after a breakup and the importance of self-discovery.

“It doesn't need to be tied down a week later.”
39:31

The Complexities of Marriage

A listener questions the social acceptability of remarrying after past relationships.

“Okay, so I'm a serious question, but I'd really love your opinion.”
41:48

Football Name Fun

Hosts engage in light-hearted banter about football player names.

“I really enjoyed you doing football names the other day.”
42:01

Name Pronunciation Game

Listen in as the hosts play a fun game of pronouncing various names, including some humorous mispronunciations.

“But I just decided to throw it on the end of the podcast, really.”
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0:00Hello, I'm Monica Reinagle, host of the Nutrition Diva podcast. Summer is here and with it, the hot and sticky weather. A morning working in the garden, or maybe on the golf course, can leave you more depleted than you realize. And plain water isn't always the most efficient way to restore the balance. That's where Liquid IV comes in. Its science-backed formula is clinically proven to hydrate faster than water alone. Whether you're exercising, playing outside, or simply surviving a summer heat wave, it's an easy way to stay hydrated. Shop now at liquidiv.com. Liquid IV, hydration that goes wherever life takes you.

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1:15Abbey Clancy: That is on the Icklessed and Man Who Jumps. I was running away from a squirrel. That's a terrible way to start as well. Oh, man. What a start. it's gone south already the pod I think guys I'm so sorry wanky chan wanky chan wanky chan no hello and welcome to the therapy crouch with me Abby Clancy me Peter Crouch and our Ross is missing today oh what a shame eh I know we might all go tits up and they'll the listeners will realise we're nothing without Ross everyone knows that anyway so our Tudor Bob is ill in bed so we're gonna we would love you to send in some get well wishes for Ross and we can read them out on next next week's podcast when he comes back to just we need to show him some love yeah like it's not like him I just I just yeah he usually gets through it doesn't he yeah but I also said I don't want him in giving us germs oh did you oh did you ban him no he's really ill this time he is bad isn't he yeah well he's never Mr Pod no but he's very ill it's not self-inflicted either yeah you know he did that thing at Farnham he was whinging on about being not very well but I think we thought it was because he'd had a few nights before oh he did yeah so it's a hangover well he can't still have a hangover because he got through that day I think he was just coming down with something and a hangover because he was all over the shop to be honest that day wasn't he so Pete have you got a weekly wine for me?

2:53Yeah, I reckon this is probably quite a few relationships going through this. Okay. Yeah. When I come in, like I did the other day from work, like you just, you seem to never be off the phone talking to your friends. What I want to know is, what on earth do you speak about for that long? Like, how is it even possible to speak? I get on the phone and even if I've got something really important to discuss, once that thing's over, I'm like, I don't have anything else to talk about I don't know how you ring up

3:26Abbey Clancy: Well that's worrying though seeing as you do an audio experience for a living Well maybe I'll just leave it all out here When I'm on the phone especially if I'm on the lads I'll be like are you going to this thing tomorrow night? And they'll say yeah yeah I'm going to go and I'll go right okay okay I'll see you later I actually don't think that's That's literally the extent I actually don't think that's true I don't think you even call them you'd text No I would text yeah No, but it's hard for me because my best friend, Kaz, she lives in Liverpool. Yeah, but my mates have moved away. So I need my daily dose of Kaz.

4:01Abbey Clancy: And there's loads of us to talk about. My mate, Ed, recently said to me, he was like, if my number comes up on his phone, he's like, who's died? Is he, does he need me? He must need me in some way. Is it an emergency? Yes, basically an emergency, yeah. but when I see you it just kind of revolves around Alfie, Kaz, Lucinda mainly you know there's other people as well but mainly those three on a rotation basis so the minute you hang up from Alfie you ring Kaz the minute you get off the phone to Kaz you will then ring Lucinda but we've just got things to talk about things to discuss whether it's the kids whether it's what we're doing what we're thinking we miss each other I think my weekly wine is you can talk to me at some stage.

4:52Abbey Clancy: You don't listen to anything I say. Should we do the Agni abs? No. Where should we go on the weekend? You know, what are you up to? My horse. What are you up to? Things that they're just my passions and they're not your passions. Okay, in future I'll be more receptive to things that you're interested in talking to me about. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. I wouldn't raise an entire round of golf to you. You should have seen this shot I hit on 7th. You'd zone out straight away. Yeah, but it's not even a round of golf. It's even like school things or planning holidays. I think I've been pretty good recently.

5:32We're like Bill Gates. The Gates went the other day and I just out there fixed them, no problem. Yeah, you did. Sophia, you know, dealing with a laptop, setting up laptops.

5:41Abbey Clancy: You set up a new iPhone as well. Set up a phone. Honestly, the things I'm doing at the moment. Very impressive. so thanks for those weekly wines I like them but this is going to be an Agony Ab special yeah an Agony Ab special so it should be incredibly helpful for all of these people yeah we're going to be here we're going to be helping we're going to be giving our advice we're going to do the best we can and we've got Sam to hopefully yeah I'm going to hopefully try and chime in and help you guys out and try and replace Ross but I don't think I'm going to be too much you're replaceable mate yeah you're definitely not replacing him but you can do it for today all right let's crack on uh hi guys love the pod uh want to ask for some relationship life advice i've been married for three years uh together for six we're in our mid-30s i want to start by saying i love my wife she's beautiful funny and my best friend but i am uh the only one who cooks does the shopping takes the dogs out she doesn't do any of it she doesn't want to have any interaction with any of my family.

6:42When I meet up with them, I always make an excuse why she couldn't come. It's always let's do things with her family. I've asked her to help with the chores at Dog and be more involved with my side of the family. She helps and visits with me for around a few weeks, then reverts back to before. Am I overthinking this situation? What do you guys stink many thanks Daniel I think the family thing's tricky isn't it because you know you can

7:12Abbey Clancy: choose your friends but you can't choose your family and just because a couple gets together it doesn't mean automatically that you become best friends with the extended family obviously in an ideal world that would be a perfect scenario but it's not always the case so I do get that what i don't get is the chore delegation see i i think when you when you marry someone you love someone i think if there's if there's people that are important to them then you should make an effort yeah i agree because it's important to the person you love yeah i but that's not always the case for people is it you know if they've had a fallen out then maybe you can you know you can understand but if she's just putting zero effort in for no reason, then, you know, he needs to sit down and talk with him and go, look, this is my family.

8:01Abbey Clancy: I would like you to make more of an effort. But not only that, I mean, like, the fact that he's doing all the chores around the house as well, like, that needs to be split up. Yeah. Because we're quite a good team in our house at those kind of, like, I kind of run the house, but you do have your designated job. So, like, you'll do the bins, you will lock up, you will take the dogs through. I like coming on the dog walk, but we can't always do it together, can we? Well, no, no. You need to stay with the kids. I quite like the dog walk. I quite like the bin walk as well. The bin walk. I don't mind it.

8:34It's all good.

8:34Abbey Clancy: You don't cook? No, I do. I do now. Oh, you do a daddy omelette? Well, I do a few things now. Like what? Well, I was cooking steak the other night. Well, where was I? I don't know. On the phone, probably. Oh, shut up. You had a Monday roast yesterday. Yeah, you did. Yeah, fair play. That was lovely. We were too hungover for our Sunday roast. So we were at our friend's birthday party. What was it, a Monday roast? It was a Monday roast. Or a Tuesday roast. It was a Monday roast. Yeah, it was a Monday roast. Yeah. Well done. That was a good one. So we devoured junk all day on Sunday. Yeah, and then had a lovely roast.

9:14Had a lovely. I have to say, that was one of your finest.

9:17Abbey Clancy: Really? Yeah, well done. I loved it. thank you do you know what I actually really enjoyed it myself I ate mine in about three seconds I did as well I just absolutely smashed it I could eat that now actually I could as well I'm hungry now yeah I think he needs to sit down with his wife and say look I love you but this cannot go on we need to split up the chores and even if it was once a month with his family or once every couple of months you know make the effort invite them around have a roast do a barbecue go for a walk whatever I think he just needs to have it out I have a word Daniel I have a word okay Abby Crouchy and Ross well unfortunately Ross isn't here but we have actually got Sam here hi guys how you doing it's a bit weird being in they say I look like Ross apparently yeah you do a bit yeah but are you as funny we'll have to just call you Scott are you as funny as him though time will tell I don't think I'll be cracking any jokes tell us a joke Sam let me think what do you call a car with no tyres I don't know a house really hard to move sorry that's a classic dad joke that's a terrible way to start as well fuck me what a start it's gone south already the pod I think guys I'm so sorry so guys before we get into the rest of the podcast you're going to be hearing from our sponsors we're going to make a quick cup of tea and remember if you're liking what you're listening to share it with all your friends and hit that red button sexy bum Hello, I'm Monica Reinagle, host of the Nutrition Diva podcast.

10:51Summer is here, and with it, the hot and sticky weather. A morning working in the garden, or maybe on the golf course, can leave you more depleted than you realize, and plain water isn't always the most efficient way to restore the balance. That's where Liquid IV comes in. Its science-backed formula is clinically proven to hydrate faster than water alone. Whether you're exercising, playing outside, or simply surviving a summer heat wave, it's an easy way to stay hydrated. Shop now at liquidiv.com. Liquid IV, hydration that goes wherever life takes you. Quick question. When was the last time a display ad changed your mind?

11:27Now think about the last time a friend told you about something they loved. Different feeling, right? That's how podcast advertising works. A host who's built real trust with their audience talks about your brand in their own words, in their own voice. It doesn't interrupt the experience. It's part of it. With Acast, you can access the world's largest podcast marketplace. Choose the right shows, the right audiences, the right format. Then watch the data tell you it worked. You're not buying impressions. You're buying influence. Learn more by visiting acast.com slash advertise.

12:04Abbey Clancy: So guys, this next part of the pod is brought to you by Indeed. Okay, so that time of year where the kids are going back to school. It has been a long summer. It's been a long summer, but I wouldn't change it. Really? You know, yeah, because I think in term time, we're so busy with work, so when the holidays come, we're desperate to spend quality time with the kids. But by the end of it, you're crawling over the finish line. I bet, yeah. As much as I love spending time with the kids, I also like them to go to school sometimes. Are you all kidded out? A little bit. When I was a kid, I was doing like summer jobs.

12:40So was I. Did you?

12:41Abbey Clancy: Yeah. every school holiday i used to work in my mum's friend's florist val she had a florist in kirby town center in liverpool called floral elegance and i used to love it you know number one i love the people too i love being creative and working with the flowers and serving people on the till and having that little bit of pocket money in my pocket you know it's nice that isn't it yeah i I remember I had a paper round. We knew Bobby from Bobby's News. And all my mates were doing it. So I thought I need, and they had obviously more money than me. I didn't really want to do it. And I was all right when it was a nice day.

13:20But you know, when you just, my dad used to get up really early and I'd look out the window and I'd be like, that looks horrendous out there. And I'd say to my dad, dad, do you fancy doing the paper round? And he'd be like. Did he say yeah? Yeah, he used to go and do it for me. yeah fair play to him yeah and uh yeah he did do it i eventually it wasn't for me i tried to get a job in the shop they wouldn't let me so then i um i said you know what i quit i'm gonna be a football player instead i'm gonna make it i'm gonna come back in here and i'm gonna be on the front of these papers or the back the back hopefully yeah well i i think that's a perfect example

14:02Abbey Clancy: of, you know, the bad way to get a job, if you like. You know, you got that job through a connection, through a family friend, and ultimately you let them down. And they weren't over-pleased with your, you know, ability as a paperboy. Yeah, and then it was kind of a lose-lose situation. Well, I feel like I've been psychoanalyzed there. Yeah. My awful paperboy. Stint. Stint, yeah. Getting a job through who you know and not what you know is quite unfair, isn't it really? Well, I think it can be difficult for the employer as well. Like the employer, if they're not pulling their weight and you've employed them, it's say your friend's son.

14:40Abbey Clancy: Look at our roster example. Been trying to sack him for years. Honestly, he's been trying to sack him for years. Absolute state of him. Liability. Can't argue with that. I can't sack our roster because of our friend. If I would have employed a person who'd sent in their CV, I wouldn't be in this bloody mess. They'd be more competent. they'd be more competent you know easy to hire and fire i imagine but they may bring you to employment tribunal bear that in mind and i think as well like it could be a bit awkward say like if you got a job off your dad's friend and it wasn't working out well or you didn't want to work there yourself you know it's like kind of letting people down it's like calling them favors and yeah if they don't go well well on the flip side of that you've got you know probably someone who's loves the job really wants the job you know is is more competent at the job is being more qualified yeah overlooked for the fact that you know i suppose there's a connection there um which doesn't seem right i also think it affects like industries in general if you're not employing the best people at their jobs and on their merits then you're letting yourself down as a company you're not going to be as productive yeah again exhibit a exhibit a indeed yeah i think if you go down the proper channels you know to get a job sometimes that process can be slicker and quicker and more reliable than you know waiting on a friend's recommendation or waiting for a friend's daughter or son to come in and take that role yeah if it's a professional outfit rather than someone just introducing you to someone you know it's definitely a bit a smoother process there's got to be a better way than people relying on who they know to fill positions for example if it doesn't work out with a paper round it's not going to be much better with a high profile job is it i guess so but that thing is commonplace commonplace now isn't it what could be done to fix it pete it's already happening you don't have to accept this as the norm how's that with indeed we're getting a job or just getting notice shouldn't depend on people you know with indeed you can showcase your real life skills on your indeed profile that way employers can see what you do and not just who you know plus you get recommended roles that match your abilities so you're saying if news agents had advertised on indeed i might not have the job absolutely what i thought sorry my love i think you would have missed out on that one if I'm being quite honest.

17:09Abbey Clancy: What do you think, Russ? Yeah, agreed. Indeed. Nicely done. But the actual job you did get, thank God. International Premier League striker. Absolutely. You got that on skill, ability and damn right hard work. So congrats. That's one of the nicest things you've ever said. Well, I suppose it's just a better way to go about things. Yeah. Getting a job through a connection isn't always the best way for the person hiring or the person getting the job, let alone other better suited candidates. Exactly. your indeed profile will help you showcase your real life skills and experience plus it also helps employers find the perfect fit candidates for for that role so if you like the sound of this all you need to do is download the indeed app and list your skills on your profile and away you go indeed right you can help us with this with this next uh weekly wine okay they say first uh thanks for the podcast brightens up my week in regards to your families uh a question for peter really i've got an ongoing sinus problem and I found out last week I need an operation.

18:10I've never had any type of operation before. Apparently they're going to open up, widen the sinus. Is this something similar to what you had and wondered what the procedure is like, especially afterwards? I'm also sure you've had the ball ache of daily sinus rinses and nasal sprays. Any tips or recommended products? I get the nasal spray from the doctor and I do daily rinses. Sounds a bit of a gross subject i've typed it out now but it's amazing how many people suffer with sinus problems and that's crotch you've spoken before it might be nice to discuss as it can affect people daily yeah i think um having that problem ongoing every day is exhausting and draining you know

18:55Abbey Clancy: you lost your sense of smell taste um but i don't think the opera obviously you can speak for yourself but i didn't think the operation was that bad but yours wasn't sinus you had polyps which is basically like a bunch of grapes inside all of these pockets basically clogged up all my sinuses you had all that removed and yeah it was it wasn't i you know it was a few days of it not being very pleasant yeah and you had like an at-home routine where you had to take this rinse set um different lotions and potions yeah and what i would say is keep up with the recommended what the doctor tells you to do because i ended up going oh i'm cured classic piece yeah i'm very good at this it's like uh i could smell i could taste so i'm going to stop the whole routine i think i'll just stop everything now and then what i realized that doesn't quite work like that they do come back um but yeah good luck with it mate because honestly it is a it's a game changer you don't realize how much you're suffering until you are fixed are fixed and then you you kind of really hits home how much you know smell taste and you know even even your voice but even the doctor said to you your quality of life like in that regard was you know how are you living like you're missing out on so much yeah but allergies are terrible like our son jack he's allergic to horses isn't he and he's in bits every time I come home from the stable so I have to just literally go upstairs now put all my stuff straight in the wash and get a shower can't even touch him he's sneezing away eyes streaming pain in the bum really real pain in the bum but good luck with mate let us know my sinus brother my sinus brother my only sinus hi guys I just wanted to send a note letting you know I love the show My family and I were on a recent Hawaiian vacation.

20:55Abbey Clancy: Oh, I love Hawaii. Amazing. And I was able to catch a shabba on film. As we were taking a family photo, my 10-year-old daughter was being goofy, so the only thing to do was give her a shabba to get her back in line. To my surprise, a picture was snapped at that exact moment. I hope you enjoy the pic. Keep up the good work. Travis from Arizona. I really want to go to Arizona. I'm thinking about that for my 40th. slightly panicking now that it's my 40th is in like four months and nothing has been planned how do you know? because I know because everything that you were going to plan I've cancelled well you're very fussy with it aren't you?

21:33like

21:34Abbey Clancy: I want to go and see Simply Red in Amsterdam alright I really want to do that and I really I just want a good group and a laugh it doesn't have to be like well I can sort that then I know that you just don't trust me on it because you need to get the key people the key people to plan Kaz Lucinda Liberty why can't why do you not entrust my sister why do you not trust me with planning anything because I speak to them all day according to you so they know me inside and out unlike you well yeah I don't get any conversation unfortunately we haven't got the picture at the moment but we we'll get that next week I can kind of picture it the shabbers like it's like yeah face isn't it yeah i remember when i was a kid we were um i think it was our chloe's holy communion i know you're doing the like the standard family picture where everyone's there at the church and it was on like a family video no you used to have the camcorders and film everything and i hit our sean and he was he was probably about six or something so i oh 10 8 so i hit him and then he tried to retaliate but just by chance i just turned around so he swung for a punch back at me and i just turned around and he missed me but i was unaware that he was doing it and then he went to get me again and i moved again just about to pure cuts and then he was fuming and then i just see my dad pulling back and i was completely oblivious to the whole thing and he didn't get he was like that and i just felt like that and he missed me and the whole thing was captured on video oh amazing we need to dig that out somewhere there are those ones you know sometimes where people take a picture and there's like a bird right on their face or something like flying past that exact moment or squirrel jumps or something have you ever seen a squirrel jump it would be hilarious if it did yeah remember that squirrel in Chelsea that once kept attacking us remember in that restaurant and the man said like yeah this squirrel's nuts like squirrel's nuts I have a bit of a phobia of squirrels I don't like them I'm not the keen oh my god so my friend they went on holiday they were out the country for the whole summer a squirrel got into their chimney had babies in their house no and when they came home the house was destroyed because of course they were all trapped in there every single room in the house was destroyed trying to get out by these squirrels they've torn the place to bits there was poo wee and they weren't covered on insurance no no squirrel cover no squirrel cover imagine that imagine coming home from holiday to find your house had been overtaken by a family of squirrels like it's a true story that is insane can you imagine that no i can't imagine that what a way to go wow yeah i just can't i can't deal with animals that like I can't reason with like I'm okay with like dogs and cats but anything that I can't kind of communicate with I don't know stay away from me do you like horses?

24:45I'm a bit scared of horses so near me we have this place called Darling and it's a lovely walk but they have like open field horses there every time I walk past and I see a horse I have to like step back and like walk around them really? I'm just scared they're going to kick me but yeah you're just not really meant to walk behind them yeah yeah I mean I got chased by a squirrel and Chester didn't I remember we were on quite an early date and I kind of walked into the squirrel and it kind of went at me. So I was delighted that, you know,

25:10Abbey Clancy: if we ever got attacked and a robber came towards us, you know, I'd be so safe. I was running away from a squirrel. Screaming as well. It was running at me though, wasn't it? And every time I kind of stopped, it kind of looked at me and then went again and it was like, what are you going to do about it? That is on the Icklist, a man who jumps. Well, I just think, listen, squirrels in Chester, if you're ever in Chester, it's right by the cathedral and all that, wasn't it? Remember? It's about the Roman ruins. Yeah. Be careful of the squirrels in Chester. Should I stay or should I go? For starts, hell of a book.

25:46Abbey Clancy: Should I stay or should I go? I'm hoping for some advice or help. I'm at a total crossroads situation. I've got a comfortable life, husband, kids, lovely home, etc. The problem is we've been offered an opportunity of a lifetime to move to Australia, literally the other side of the world as we live in the UK. I've always thought we'd try something different, etc. but the reality of give it a go when you have a mortgage and kids at school sorry I just need to interrupt you here you saying I'm on the phone all the time yeah it's really negligent because even that for example we me and my we have hypothetical conversations all the time like me and Lucinda redecorated and rebuilt a villa that she rented we'd knocked it down in our heads and we had a three-hour conversation of what we'd do.

26:38Abbey Clancy: You know, we'd take the back out, I'd extend that, I'd have the barbecue there, I'd do... And that was a three-hour conversation. So, to me, that feels like a waste of time. No, it's not, because it's fun. Is it? It's... Okay. Like, even that, when I say, oh, we should move away and just do an adventure, you go, hmm. Literally, that's what you do? don't you think we should like move to Spain for like six months you know we could and it's just finished would you want to take that as a no then from now on it's hypothetical yeah but yeah I get that talking about that redecorating a villa no I don't get that you know we I've had two hour conversations if you won 120 million on the on the lottery like that's a fun one you do i went to bed so excited like thinking it was my life what we do we just surprise the kids take them out to school surprise them with this this and this and then we'd say we're traveling the world now for the next 10 years deal with that and then and then casket go yeah and then you could do this and be like oh my god yeah and then we do you know it's it's just yeah i i like that game that's a good game i'd like to play it with you so is he scared to go on this yeah they're saying you know give it a go it's a bit scary you know you've got mortgage kids in school um it's it's not as free living as i once thought uh let's face it i think we are all in the uk in in a bit of a state of course nowhere is perfect but uh given the opportunity would you uh up and go start again from scratch in another country it's only a day away on a flight but the reality is obviously it's no easy jet quick fly.

28:26We have fantastic family, both sides and friends. So it's making it so difficult because everyone is understandably upset. Are we being guilt tripped? Is it fair not to go because of other people's feelings? We just want to give our kids the best opportunities possible. Be interested in your opinions. Much love.

28:45Abbey Clancy: If you come home from work and said, right, we're moving to Australia tomorrow, I would just go. You'd be well up for it. I would do anything like that. I think, obviously, kids' education is super-duper important, but most of these things, you know, Sophia's doing a GCSE thing at the moment. She's talking about cells, cells in an organism. You know, when is she, apart from having that knowledge, whenever is she going to talk about that? I think the school system, in my opinion, is outdated. I don't think it's equipping kids with the skills they need for the world we're living in now. well they have schools in australia they have school they also have schools after school absolutely you know there's england is like a pinprick on the world you could go anywhere and do anything and the thing is you can always come back if you've got a chance of a lifetime to do it do it and i i actually think the family kind of out of order guilt tripping them of course you're going to miss your friends and family but you can keep in touch and how exciting for them that the prospect of flying over to Australia to go and see them?

29:52Yeah, I definitely don't be guilt-tripped into it. Like, your immediate family there, you make the decision, I wouldn't worry. You know, you can, of course there's people you love, but you can not...

30:02Abbey Clancy: Because I worry about other people, but realistically, most people think of themselves. But also, you know, like, do it for a couple of years. If you don't like it, go back. Jason and Stacey did it, didn't they? They said that the best time of their life. They extended it, didn't they? Yeah. They loved it. they went for like three months and stayed for like two years yeah i think i think definitely go for it yeah so i've got family out there as well and they've moved i think three years ago now it's a long process i think it took them five years but they've loved it um yeah their children like cooks now um they're saying the education over there's great as well so i think if it's something you're going to look back in like 10 years and go i wish i at least gave it a go i'd go and do it i yeah i think that's my like philosophy you can't ever regret giving things a go can you no you don't want to be lying on your deathbed going should I have went to Australia so if they can do it I know it's not you're not going to regret going but you might regret not going you will regret not going 100 % give it a go but what do I know stuck in this house fucking 24 hours a day oh god give Kaz a call about it I'm joking bother me with it I'm joking bye Abby and Pete love the pod been listening for a while but I've never needed to write in until now.

31:16I'm currently 19. I'm living in Leeds where I've lived my whole life until I moved to London for uni last September. The first week I moved there, I met my boyfriend who felt like my first love even though I've been with people in the past.

31:30Abbey Clancy: First week? Boyfriend? We clicked straight away. We're planning on moving in together this September until I found out he had been messaging another girl behind my back the entire time. What a little bastard. the thought I thought if I got cheated on I'd leave straight away but it's been a little bit more complicated he's 23 and he's made a mistake if anything he seems more upset than me and would do anything to have me back but I can't shake that feeling that he's only sorry because he got caught and he will do it again after going away for a weekend with him and trying to forgive him I made the decision to end things I'm so insecure I've got no confidence and not only do I not trust him but I feel I can't love someone the same who betrayed me.

32:13I've now got nowhere to live. I moved back in three weeks. Last year, I lived with the flatmates from hell. Now I'm terrified of this happening again and how lonely I'm going to feel away from him and my mum and dad who are getting a divorce after 20 years of marriage, which has also been really difficult for me also. Everything feels a bit

32:33Abbey Clancy: of a mess please help oh my god that that sounds so awful 19 is so young but we met when we were 19 didn't well when i was 19 yeah how do you feel about that i don't know i think i think you you if you know you know don't you like i think if you genuinely think he's made a mistake and he's he is then yeah but there is that a mistake is one text a mistake isn't texting the whole time they've been together pete no you know you could forgive finding one text um but the fact that she's feeling insecure and self-conscious and lonely and i just my heart breaks all right she's so young as well like you know like i don't think you need to be worried about being lonely and all that is how do these kids find places to live like in the student flats like because you need to just get a great group you know it would be an amazing scenario wouldn't it if she found somewhere to live got a great set of friends who she loved being with and you know staying together you go out together staying together go out together great life good fun yeah i don't think she should be too worried about things that have happened in the past like the housemates from hell or the boyfriend i think she should start again she should do some asking around if anyone's looking for somewhere where she can live who are good people fun kind and i'd let him sweat a bit more certainly what do you think i i don't know it sounds like she's probably never gonna really get over that i think maybe it might be time to move on yeah yeah i feel like i can cause issues later on as well like you don't want to be for the next month two months always checking his phone always stressing out oh why are you 20 minutes late home from work blah blah blah i think that can just kind of make the relationship worse so i think you've kind of got to understand that if you carry on you gotta not pressure him into stuff like that if that makes sense yeah i agree fuck him off yeah there's always facebook group chats as well famous fuck him off fuck him off find some friends and yeah just live your life like in 19 uni's supposed isn't uni supposed to be the best time of your life.

34:50Abbey Clancy: It doesn't need to be tied down a week later. Got your whole life to do that. Got toga parties to attend. What's a toga party? That's what you do in uni, innit? I've never heard. Shut up. I thought that was what goes on there. What's a toga party? Swear togas to a party. Okay, before we jump into the rest of the pod, I think this feels like a pretty good place to take a break and listen to our sponsors. Yeah. And if you are enjoying this content, because it is top quality content, by the way. Absolutely. Hit follow, it makes sense, and share it with your friends. hi abby and pete me and my husband jermaine are huge fans honestly you two are basically us he's from west london i'm from liverpool and now he's fully gone scouse so last weekend i had a big garden party planned for my birthday with three boys and zero child care i needed him on top form on the monday he even warned me don't go airport abby this week by Tuesday yeah um by Tuesday what does he do sneaks off to the dentist gets two teeth gets two back teeth yanked out um one of them by a nerve calls me afterwards like oh yeah they couldn't get it fully out sorry what my party was in four days and he's now half man half tooth he sat there on antibiotics face swollen groaning like a wounded soldier and I'm thinking who in their right mind books cosmetic dental surgery the week before their wife's birthday party could he not just say it's my wife's party on that weekend but no classic man logic i'll be fine i can handle it so there i was throwing a garden party with dj decks and cocktails while my husband's in the corner clutching his jaw like he's auditioning for casualty but still shoving do but still shoving food down the good side of his mouth he was having more shots than usual deffer for the pain but he did power through credit where credit's due but here we are a week later he's still moaning in agony so tell me was i a cow for flipping out or would you have both gone full airport ab too well you've done this to me well i've done exactly this yeah i mean i i had a groin operation when you were giving birth yeah i so with all of my babies i picked a date to get induced because i wanted pete was a footballer at the time and you know he's here there and everywhere so at 39 weeks i would go to the hospital check the baby was in the right position and then i would pick a date that pete was around getting juice go in that morning they'll break my waters and then i'd wait to give birth naturally a week before this or was it less than a week 10 days or something i They told me it would be like a three-day kind of aftercare thing.

37:36Three-day recovery. Yeah, recovery. That's the word I'm looking for. But no, it was more like a three-month recovery. Well, no, I had the operation and then I got infected.

37:43Abbey Clancy: No, you had a reaction to the mesh. Yeah. So his groin was like a baboon's arse. I've got pictures of it. It's insane. It came out here and was bright red. It was friendly. Purple, red. he had a temperature of 40 odd degrees hallucinating and everything hallucinating sweating he was green like when he had his bloodstone the infection in his blood was that high they were like oh my god so while i was giving birth pete was in a hospital bed next to me and then when i had the baby when i had the baby he had to get wheeled to his own room and stay in hospital for three weeks so some would say poor Pete missing like the first couple of weeks of his newborn baby's life but I've got out before me well I was I was in for less than 24 hours I was in when she was going into labor and then I had to stay when I was actually giving birth the nurses were bringing you cups of tea and like wiping your brow and I was like there's something seriously wrong here do you remember that I remember holding your hand and going you if you're all right, babe.

38:50Abbey Clancy: But the worst thing is the next day. You know, I shouldn't have even been out of bed and I came into the hospital to see him because he needed a charger. She was coming in to see me and that was already done. And I said, would you mind bringing me a charger while you're there? I've just given birth and I've got to come and bring you a charger. I said, no. You're coming anyway. And now it's just been changed into that. But to be fair, like I couldn't have a go at you that much because you were seriously, seriously ill. No, I was in trouble there. Yeah. But you know, you did great as well. Thanks.

39:28Abbey Clancy: Yeah, so yeah, ultimately, no, I don't think she's being a cow. No, no, no, no. Hammer him. Hammer him. Yeah, yeah, that's totally fine. Yeah, I agree. Okay, so I'm a serious question, but I'd really love your opinion. To cut a very long story short, I married my first boyfriend at 24, not realising we weren't meant for a relationship and we wanted different things. I then rebounded with someone who wasn't really right for me, but I didn't see it at the time. Four years in, he devastatingly got diagnosed with terminal cancer and passed away 11 months later. Oh my God. We had gotten married three weeks before he died.

40:00I was 31. My love and respect for him will forever be unmatched, but in a completely different way to a normal relationship.

40:08Abbey Clancy: Oh. Fast forward a few years, I'm 34 and I've met someone who ticks every single box. we've been together a year i hope to start a family within one day he's incredible and we are very happy i know marriage doesn't always mean happiness but i'd love to one day have the dream wedding with my dream man my first marriage was a mistake my second was pure heartbreak and i want the one that's going to last forever i can't help but feel embarrassed about my relationship history is it socially acceptable to get married for a third time given I'm just a normal person and not famous I'm no Jennifer Lopez I think in those circumstances too young you know a tragic death I think a third marriage third time lucky under those circumstances is totally acceptable and who does she need to explain herself to?

41:06Abbey Clancy: you know it's her own life if she feels like if she loves him and feels like it's right it doesn't matter what's going on in the past the past is the past but if she wants to you know continue her life with her dream man and be in love and have that wedding why not don't you think yeah i think i think quite often like the same mistakes like if you get married three times you know i make the same mistake each time yeah then you know that does become a bit silly yeah But, you know, the circumstances here are obviously too young and probably not in the right... Tragedy. Yeah, and then obviously the tragic events of the second one.

41:42The third one, you know, seems to tick all the boxes. Go for it.

41:46Abbey Clancy: I think she should go for it. I think. Yeah, and good luck. Good luck with it all, yeah. Yeah, good luck. Okay, I've got an agony ab for you. I really enjoyed you doing football names the other day. Okay, and if this is an agony ab, why? But I just decided to throw it on the end of the podcast, really. There's absolutely no reason for it other than the fact it's my own personal enjoyment. Okay. I've got some names for you here. Odson Edward. Edouard. Edouard. Wanky Chan. Wanky Chan! Wanky Chan! No? Wanky Chan? Wanky Chan? No? No? Have a look. Wanky Chan. that's what i've just said wanky chan you can't say wanky chan wanky chan i didn't say what i said wanky chan yeah wanky chan wang he chan hoa wang wanky chan it's not wanky chan i'm saying the exact one wang he chan wang he chan yeah yeah wanky chan's slightly it's saying slightly different.

42:56Abbey Clancy: Is this a Greek player? Yes.

43:02Abbey Clancy: Constantinos Tomascus. Not bad. Not bad at all. Simikas. Simikas, yeah. Simikas. I like the Greek words, do you? I do. Hung Min Son. Nice. Rasmus Hojund. No? Yeah, yeah. It's not bad. Yeah, it's Huyland. Rasmus Huyland. Huyland. Rasmus Huyland. Is he Dutch? Yeah, he's Danish, babe. Josko Jardewa. Jardewa. One more surname. Josko Jvardia. Yeah, Jardewa. Papi Matassa. Pardon? Papi Matassa. I can't read, you know. Papi Matassa. Bastian Schweinsteiger. Not bad. Schweinsteiger. Yuri Tielemans. Yeah. Mohamed Eleni. Eleni. Eleni. Eleni. Dmitry Pyatt. Nice. Alexander Shinko. Shinkenko. Shinkinko. Shinkinko.

44:19Abbey Clancy: I've been in his house. No, that was Shevchenko. Oh, okay. With you, not on my end. Well done, babe. I thought you did quite well there. My favourite of all time is Andy. Andy Bayor. She said a few times, is that Andy? Andy Bayor. This is actually a good game to play if you're looking to have a baby, this. You think? Looking to find a baby name. You think? Good one from there. Because there's some nice names. Quite like Pierre. Wankily. Caesar Cesar Aspilicueta Why is Steve Finnan on this list? It's so easy to say I just typed it in on ChatGBT like some hard names to pronounce to wind up my wife and Steve Finnan popped up Steve Finnan Steve Finnan Dimitri, I quite like that name Alright Is this going to be a weekly thing?

45:20Abbey Clancy: Humiliate Abby illiterate is that okay sometimes it really makes me laugh I thought you did actually really well there yeah well done thank you better than me no no so guys that's it for today we've loved this this agony app special and don't forget your well wishes for our Ross because we need to cheer him up when he comes back next week and you know we miss him so much we do yeah but Sam you're a great substitute yeah congratulations on your debut cheers guys thank you very much thank you very much yeah I don't even know how to sign this off.

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From the publisher

On this week’s episode of The Therapy Crouch, Abbey and Peter are back with an Agony Abs Special, where listeners send in their juiciest dilemmas and relationship woes for the pair to solve.


With our beloved Ross under the weather, Sam steps in as substitute co-host, bringing fresh energy (and questionable jokes). From partners refusing to lift a finger around the house, to families torn between moving to the other side of the world, to the heartbreak of cheating boyfriends and whether it’s ever okay to marry three times, nothing is off-limits.


Expect plenty of laughs, heartfelt advice, and even a squirrel invasion horror story that left an entire house destroyed. Plus, Abbey and Pete debate hypothetical moves abroad, relive their own hilarious medical mishaps, and round off with another game of football name pronunciations that leaves Abbey completely baffled.


Drop your well wishes to Ross in the comments!


00:00 – Intro

00:34 – Ross is ill, Sam steps in as co-host

01:34 – Weekly whine: Abbey’s endless phone chats vs Pete’s listening skills

05:03 – Listener dilemma: Doing no chores & avoiding family

09:33 – Listener asks Pete about his sinus surgery

12:17 – A Hawaiian holiday “Shabba” photo moment

15:09 – Squirrel invasion destroys a family home

17:17 – Listener dilemma: Should we move to Australia?

23:01 – Listener dilemma: Boyfriend cheats, she’s left homeless at uni

27:01 – Listener’s husband books dental surgery right before her birthday party

31:08 – Abbey recalls Pete’s groin surgery disaster during childbirth

33:18 – Listener dilemma: Is it embarrassing to marry a third time?


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