"Who Wants A Chinese?!" Big John Fisher & The Romford Bull Talk Fame & Fights

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2:24I'd love to see her turn around and go watch. Imagine that. I'll tell you you want her to defeat this fashion. I'll tell you. There you go. Have some of that. Hello, welcome to that. Don't you dare. Nearly. Filthy pig. Hello, welcome to the therapy, Crouch. You're taking too long, so I'm going to do it. All right, go on. With me, Peter Crouch. Me, Abikansi. And me, Gaz. Hello, guys. How are we? I feel like Olaf Kilton now. It's by the front. It's totally wrong. And also I was almost announced that Peter Crouch podcast. I could tell. Bore off with that pod. I've been doing that for years. Bore off.

3:01You mean bore off with that pod. It's my livelihood. I absolutely adore doing that pod. I know you do. You seem to have a better time on that than you do on this one. Well, I get ripped on this one on a regular basis. So do I. So do I. You do not. We've got some special guests today though, Peter, haven't we? We do. Bosh. Bosh. I was hoping you'd say it. Big John Fisher and Johnny Fisher. Yes. Very excited. Yeah, I love them both. Listen, you know, obviously, Johnny's got a great boxing career. The Romford Bull. He's flying at the minute. Are you saying bull or ball? Bull. Bull. B-U-L-L. Yeah.

3:36B-U-L-L. Like a bulldog. Yeah. Yes. Romford Bull. Romford Bull, not a bad name. You know, he's doing great, but obviously the original Big John Bosch. The Chinese order, phenomenal. I've been craving a Chinese the whole day. Well, you crave it even more now when he rules off his order. I know. But yeah, good to have him on. I think he's got a show out. He does. Yeah, it covers his life. He gets a prostate exam in like I think the first episode we've had a little look. The ultimate shabba, if you will. That's a top shabba, isn't it? That is a top shabba. Have you ever had a, you know, a prostate vibe?

4:07I'm glad you've raised this. Not in like any medical sense. You should? How old are you? In a sexual sense. What? But not in a medical... Sorry, there you go, viewers. Yeah, I set a finger up his arm. what the hell what a thing to admit impartial I haven't even if I did big John and watch this episode I can't wait to watch it instantly this impartial to a finger up your ass is that true yeah you've got to try anything don't you yeah I would say I'd recommend it but yeah maybe you do have to try it I think you do have to try it but no prostate exam no have you I imagine being a footballer or maybe no I haven't had an exam I don't think women have prostates.

4:53I don't think they do, do they? No, they don't. Who knows? No. No, they don't. Check. Do you want to just make sure? I am a huge advocate for checks. I have all four checks. Yeah. All four. So would you get them in the playing days or would it be more like just after post, like, you know, football? I think generally you get a prostate check after a certain age. I think it's like 40 or 50. I should be getting checks. But you had your full body scan with Ezra? Yeah. So that's... Well, no one kind of did that to me. Unfortunately. I feel like I've, you know, been let down by the system. I can get you booked in.

5:33Yeah, I just feel like, you know, it's a boo subject, isn't it? But, you know, these things need to be talked about and they also need to be, I think you need to be aware. But there's a lot of things you can do with, like, urine samples and poo tests. You can check for bowel cancer and stuff like that with simple poo check and it's literally as black and white as that, yeah or no? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I might have to do that. Well, yeah, I think you get to a certain age where you do have to look at these things. Absolutely. Pete, do you have a weekly wine for me, darling? There's a few things regarding the house that the budget kind of being blown out of the water is one wine.

6:10But another one, obviously, you know, having raised that issue, then going to Florence to choose an oven? It feels extravagant. Florence for an oven? No, basically it's the oven that I've chosen for my house. It's a Fissiangulo. And there is so... It's a Fissiangulo. Play for West Ham. I always forget that. The holding midfield floor. There's a huge amount of craftsmanship that goes into it and there's a huge history behind it. and we're going to go to see where they're made and we're going to get taught how to cook and use the oven and, you know, it'll be... Just think of it as a dirty little weekend.

6:52That's a different story, but going on an oven weekend feels strange. Well, don't come then. Well, no, you've told me that there's other perks. I meant dirty ass and your hands are going to be covered in flour because you'll be making your own pasta. That sounds fine. I love Florence anyway I really do I really can't wait to go but it just feels that I don't know an oven holiday feels strange in my defence my weekly wine for you is it's like you know Abi you've blown the budge out the water you've blown the budge out the water why? because you you know all the things that you put in that I don't care less about like what?

7:34AV AV? televisions AV LED, AC, bloody speakers. I don't care about that stuff. And that's taken up so much of the budget. You need a television, I would suggest. Well, some could argue you don't. You know, air conditioning's a luxury, but I think with global warming, you know my thoughts on this global warming situation? You dug the front garden up for nothing and then put it back in. So it's not me who's blowing the budget, it's actually you. yes I have chosen some things that are on the higher end of the budget you know but I've also saved in other areas so if you kind of level it out we're kind of in the green ish out of green amazing but look it's our forever home and as I said before no one anyone doing a house renovation or a house purchase no matter what the budget is you're always going to stretch yourself because you want it you know it's your home yeah to your right fair enough hi audience ones um charlotte from liverpool says hi guys just listening to the app about chachi pt and how abby struggles to say it when you when you read it you can say it but it's chachi pt yeah you've ever done straight off the tongue is it she's saying b oh is she saying b it's chat chat gbt chat gbt chat gbt b yeah yeah try and say p with me chat gpt gp it doesn't make sense it's impossible to say without putting a b in it if you say it quickly you could think of a better name than that yeah like yeah I wonder what it stands for there is it does it stands for something generated go on That's a good guess.

9:31Personal. Personal tool. Data. That's T, isn't it? Oh. Generated personal. Generated power tool. That's a good shout. What have we got here? It is generative pre-trained transformer. Chris, they're saying that's lame. Pre-trained transformer. I've got one of them. That was great. That was great. I think you're more bumblebee. Do you reckon? Not Optimus Prime. How do you know that you want to be Optimus Prime? Yeah, I think so. Do you remember when we got our dog and our kids would like bang into the, what are they called again? Robots? Transformers? Transformers. Yeah. You wanted to call Ralph Optimus Prime.

10:17He did, yeah. Our dog. Doesn't really roll off the tongue though, doesn't he? Not so easily, no. Come here, Optimus Prime. Shit. Optimus Prime. Okay, sorry, I got lost there. And is Bunny Rabbit's nutcase? Nutcase? That's a good name for it, yeah. Called as Bunny Rabbit nutcase. That's great. Okay, me and my mates, Scousers of course, just like to call it Chat Chippy Tea. Chat Chippy Tea. Oh, I love that. Chat Chippy Tea. There you go. I'm going to say that. Chippy Tea. Chat Chippy Tea. Should we get a Chippy Tea? That works. It rolls. Chippy Tea. It rolls easier than Chippy Tea. It's simply effective because we all love a Chippy Tea.

10:52I will die on this hill forever and forever call it this. Chat Chippy Tea. Chippy tea. So in Liverpool, we'd go, which of a Friday normally, it'd be like, should we get a chippy tea? Which would consist of chips, curry, and then one Chinese dish, like a special fried rice. That's what we'd do. I found it strange in Liverpool, they've got like, it's a fish and chip shop, as I'll probably say, with Chinese in it as well. I think it's sacrilege to me. Scouse chips are so much better than Southern chips. Like a fish and chip shop, they're not the same as a Chinese chippy. ships are definitely better.

11:30I know what you mean. That's probably factual. And I think the fish is probably better as well, up north. If you're trying a Grimsby fish, is it good? What's a Grimsby fish? They're renowned for it, aren't they? You've got a big fishing thing up there. There you go. Very fish up there. It's incredibly fishy. Grimsby. I reckon we'll talk a lot about food on today's app, do you? Whoa, with that. Since the Bosch Father's got a Chinese. The Bosch Father? The Bosch Father General. Yeah, it is class what he does. You know what? It brings a smile to everyone's face, I think, when you see him kind of doing his stuff.

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13:57Thank you, babe. I appreciate that. No, it's not a compliment. I'm the one doing the food shopping, reading the labels. I'm the one planning the meals. And he's just sat there. I'm just here shaking. I'm just here shaking. Shaking a hule? I'm here with a black edition, 40 grams of protein, high fibre, 26 vitamins and minerals. Don't have to think about any of it. That's what annoys me. The trick is, babe, you've got to be lazy enough not to want to do the work, but clever enough to find something that does the thinking for you. You didn't find it. I bought it. Small details, babe. And now I've started Nick and his.

14:32So if you're the lazy one in your house or you live with one, I'm giving you a limited time offer. Get£10 off with our code therapy crouch, plus£30 in freebies for new customers. Well, welcome. We've got Big John and Johnny. Hello. How are you? That's all good. It's a pleasure to be sitting amongst to esteemed people so thank you for having us on I can write back at you thank you very much you guys you guys are on fire at the moment let's be honest for your boxing career and obviously the new show coming out what have we got to expect there the big big John's Bosch do you know what on Paramount Plus we haven't even seen it ourself oh god so we're a bit apprehensive because there's been a lot of arguing a lot of tears tantrums I'm looking forward to watching it I really am but I'm just a bit apprehensive oh yeah it's dawned on me the last couple of days because when you're in the moment, they got me, with me and my girlfriend, we went to Cornwall for a bit and I probably got bullied into doing like holding hands on the beach.

15:29So you worry about what your mates are going to say? What my brothers and my dad are going to say? He said to me, he said to me, did they ask you to do things? I said, yeah, I just told them I wouldn't do it because they would. I wouldn't do anything I wouldn't normally do. Yes. He went, oh, I went, what have you done? He went, holding hands, walking along the beach. I wouldn't normally do that. What do you hold your girlfriend's hand, Johnny? Why wouldn't you normally do that? I don't feel like I need to. No front of your dad or your brothers. I do it on my own, but now I know it's going to go to people worldwide.

15:53Oh, well, you do do it. If you do do it, you're a wuss. I don't do it for the purpose of doing it for a TV show. It feels like I'm staging it. You've been staged. Keep it real, Johnny. What we always try and do with everything we do is keep it as real as we can. So I hope it don't come across that way when we're doing that. No, it won't. Where did it all come about then? A television production company reached out to us because we don't, people get this misconception, oh, you're trying to chase this. We don't chase anything. We really don't. And if it all ended for me tomorrow, it ends tomorrow.

16:25I couldn't care less. Johnny's obviously a boxer, so people know Johnny for his boxing. Yeah, someone reached out to us and they said, we think it'd be great to have a show. And we sat down as a family and we said, what do you want to do? And we said, all right, we'll give it a go, you know. But it has taken up a lot longer than what you thought. It has been intrusive. But it's saying that we can tick off and say we've done. Yeah. You know? So it'd be good to look back if I'm still alive in 20 years, look back and it'd still be on there. So what are they doing? Following your whole family dynamic, does it delve into, obviously, not just you, John, but, you know, your boxing career, you know, you've got siblings.

17:00It delves into, we go to Australia to see William, our youngest son, moves to Australia, heads his A-levels, going to uni. Johnny changing from matchroom to Zufa. Johnny fighting in Monaco. Johnny fighting at the Copper Box. Just everyday life. Me with Eddie Hall with weight loss. It covers such a lot. You lost seven stone, I read. Six, seven. Six, seven. Six, seven. Just under seven stone. Looking good. Because everyone just goes on the jab now. You could do it even. No, I don't trust the jab. If people want to do it, they do it. I think the jab, if you're, sorry to say, morbidly obese like you was, it's probably a good thing for people that it can save a lot of lives.

17:35Yeah, I've not got anything against the jab. And I might even go on it myself. I'm not saying don't go on it or don't do it. But I met Eddie Hall, who's a good friend of ours, a film premier, Jason Statham. and Eddie just says it straight. And he went, John, if you don't lose weight, you'll be dead in two years. And like Johnny's always told me, my wife's always told me. It's different when your mum and dad, when your son and your mum are saying it to someone like Eddie Hall, who's a bit of a, he's a nice, really nice man, but he's a bit of a scary character as well. And he's been weighing me.

18:02I've been going up there and being weighed. That's on the show. I'm looking forward to seeing that. That's an amazing achievement, Seven Stone, wasn't it? It is, isn't it? Because I did get too fat. Do you know what I mean? When I look back on things now, you think bloody hell I can't believe I did and he said where you played like sport in the past football I was always fit I used to box I used to play football you get stuck in that mindset of thinking you're always going to be that way you still think you're fit even when you're fat you still think you're that same person do you know what I mean I know it's strange but the funny thing is what I'm looking forward to watching we do swimming with Eddie and they get this on the show and we do the swimming and I'm shattered and he comes up to me and he takes my pulse on my neck like I'm an animal and he's just like he was like enjoying it And I'm looking forward to seeing that myself.

18:45Because I hope they put it in. I really do, because that's just like, I can't wait for that bit. So obviously, you know, we're going right back to the start, John, when you kind of do one viral video. And it goes viral, yeah. And I suppose that's to do with a Chinese order, right? So have you cut down on the Chinese as well? No. Just cut out the carbs. I've just been craving a Chinese... No, because we obviously knew you were coming on today. All I'm thinking about is I just want to check. We had a blue walking last night. Did you? We had a blue wall kid last night. So how do you adapt your order?

19:15Because obviously I've seen your orders and they're, you know, they're pretty extensive. It's so much better. Eddie said to me, just eat as much meat as you can, cut out the carbs. Still eat a few carbs, you know what I mean? You don't need carbs to survive. But I'm not having the rice, I'm not having the noodles, I'm not having anything fried, so I'll just have some roast chicken, some roast duck. You don't need lots of carbs. You're not doing high-intense exercise and things like that, but you just need enough to function on a... You don't know what I get up to, Johnny. He's a fat bloke. it assumes I don't do eye-in-sensitive exercise.

19:43I can't really see you doing a high-rocks any time. My brother just won that. Can I swear? Yeah, you can swear. Fuck high-rocks. Fuck high-rocks. Fair enough. Look at me, I've done a high-rocks. Fuck you. You're making so hard. You can't do one, that's why. Yeah, it's because I can't do it. I imagine, obviously, your diet must be strict, Johnny, right? And your training regime, especially when you're on camp. When you're in camp, it feels like a prison camp because you're eating a lot of food and I've got to eat a future. That sounds a bit like marriage. Yeah. Thousands of calories, but it's all clean, healthy eating food.

20:21So you're just putting pasta, rice, you know, from your plant days when you load up before. But, yeah, it gets monotonous. I can't just go and say, all right, I'm going to cheat and have a different meal this time. And you've got to eat so many calories. It's the volume. It's the volume because I've got a higher metabolic rate. I've got to just constantly be putting food in all the time and that becomes a pain in itself. that becomes a mission to go and do that should you look forward to food I look forward I'll get sick of food whereas other boxers who are making weight they're laughing at me saying what you're sick of eating food I wish I could eat food because they've got like a half a chicken breast for dinner and things like that so on the other end of the scale is a heavyweight but every athlete is different every boxer has got a different challenge when it comes to their diet you know so on a new show do we follow the boxing journey as well because obviously you've had the issue with Matchroom you've decided to leave Matchroom you know has that all been covered?

21:08So it starts in Monaco on the matchroom show and there's not really any inkling of me me changing at that point. It wasn't really on my mind and then yeah, that fight happens and then I'll get the contract running out is the next point and then it's like I've got the negotiations with Eddie, I've been talking to him throughout the whole time. We actually get a really good part of that. I've seen it with me and Eddie having quite a frank open discussion. Yeah, I mean how does that? It's quite awkward and it was quite hard because Eddie's my mate but he's also extremely clever and he's good at talking, isn't he?

21:39He's very good at talking. So I thought the best way to combat this is just to go into his office and have a frank conversation with him. And we did that. And it's great that Paramount were there taking it because the people are going to be able to go and see it now. And then I got a fantastic offer through from Zufa, which was a lot bigger than what I was being offered from Eddie. And I spoke to Barry as well in this process as well. And you can't really moan at the offer that I took. You was up front. You've been up front from day one. Yeah, but I think, you know, you can't... a frank conversation with a boxer then.

22:08No, no. I think what it sounds like you've gone about it the right way and obviously it's been documented as well, you know, boxing fans can understand the reasons and what You've got to do what's best for you at the end of the day. You've got to look out, you've obviously got to, you've got to be loyal but you've got to be loyal to yourself because if Johnny lost his next fight in Monaco, I wouldn't be. No one would be loyal to him. Yes. No one cares less. They don't. Like you as a footballer. Yeah, exactly right. If you have five or six bad games in a row, you ain't getting picked. Do you know what I mean?

22:35And the thing with Matchroom, with Zufa, Frank Warren, all these different outlets, they've got 80, 100, 150 boxers. I've got one career. And it's a short shelf life to be a professional boxer and a dangerous one as well. So I've got to maximise my earning potential. You've got to pick yourself. And give my fans great nights and exciting fights. And that's what we're going to be building towards in the beginning part of next year. Yeah, I mean, what is the plans for you so forward? We're going to fight again in February. I'm going immediately to Vegas in about a week or a week and a half, do some training over there.

23:07And then we're looking at the Copper Box again in February against quite a big name. And then in the summer, they're talking about someone like Dillian White or someone of that ilk, which would be amazing for me because I've come from my background as a boxer, not having an extensive amateur background. And then they're linking me with these names like Deontay Wilder, Dillian White. So very, very exciting times for me and my family and fan base. Do you not get scared watching them, John? I couldn't watch my son. I could barely watch you playing football. I've seen that nerve-wracking. Do you know what?

23:40I used to get more nerve-wracking watching sons play football because I know how hard he trains. I know what he puts in there. But I'll see him spar quite regularly as well. So when you see the sparring, sometimes the sparring is a lot harder than fights. So you get a bit used to it, but you still get nervous because when it's boxing, fight night, it's not only about his health. His whole career is on the line. The whole world is watching you and people are quick to chop you down. Yes. But at the end of the day, if he doesn't do well and he fails, it's his career, you know? So it's more than just the fight.

24:08And also, talking about the sparring and the training and the build-up, what we're going to see in these episodes is I probably went a bit too far and trained a bit too hard because you care so much, you're trying to do everything you can. And I probably left a bit in the gym a week or two weeks before. We went to Devon, myself and my wife. Went to Bobby Castle, lovely place. You just go down there, you just chill out. We was going for two nights and I saw he was looking tired over training. and I said, Johnny, why don't you just come down for two nights, take the dogs, do nothing, just walk. I should have gone.

24:36No, no, I can't. I can't. I've got to carry on training. I've got to carry on training. And that pushed me over the edge. You just need to. Yeah, he trained too hard for his last fight. I didn't have much left for the actual fight. Like, you think a week's enough to rest in a cover-bottom fight where you're doing media, you're doing all different things. Oh, yeah. My body didn't rest properly, and I've paid the price a little bit. You're learning. You're always learning. And luckily, he won the fight. It was a good fight, and you can learn from a winning position, which is always a better way than learning from a losing position.

25:03Because we haven't even told anybody this. It's like, he had a little problem after the fight because of the overtraining. We haven't even explained that because you don't need to. No. But it's just, you've won. You know, now can we make it better next time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can always go for the next one. Everyone has problems and niggles and this was a serious one but it's one that I came from a winning position so we get to move on and momentum builds. Yeah, amazing. What about you, John? So you've got to tell because of the start, really. I mean, were you, was it, what were you doing before kind of all this kind of kicked off for you?

25:35At the cheese firm. Yeah. Hard work, a lot of bad debts, a lot of money troubles. But I pride myself, I've never knocked anyone in my life, always paid my debts. And at one point it was, the weight of my shoulders was immense, like money that we was owed, that I owed and we was owed. And then one day we had a video, I came in, we went out from Hill with Steve Potts, He paid for the milk. It was his anniversary. I said, well, pay for the drinks in the pub where my dad used to drink. God rest his soul. The drinks come tomorrow in his meal. We went home, ordered a Chinese. I come in with a box, went, who wants a fucking Chinese?

26:11And someone was filming it. That's when the video happened. Someone was filming it and it had about 300 million views. No way. I was already on TikTok through my other son just posting me eating Chinese. It wasn't me. And then this one blew up. I think it's we'd already had a massive dinner that night. We'd already had a massive dinner. We've ordered a massive Chinese. So someone's going to have a look at this. Let's get this out. This is unbelievable. And then from there, I got some nightclub appearances for uni students with Fish's events. Fred, become a good friend of ours. Proper friend, didn't he?

26:38Yeah, he's a good man, Fred. And I used to drive my van to like Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester with the cheese on it, do my nightclub event and drive back to London and deliver the cheese. So that was just a little side hustle, you know. It started as a side hustle. But I mean, listen now, mate, it's blown up. It was such a vital side hustle. Listen, that side hustle will be truthful. when you get 700 quid to go to like a nightclub in Liverpool, or 100 quid travelling, 100 quid... That was a life one at the time. And I'm clearing 600 quid. I felt I was the richest man in the world. You know, because 600 quid then was...

27:09Pressure's going. Yeah. And I said to my wife, I can't believe this. I said, he promised me I can do three of them. And they were so busy, I ended up doing a nationwide tour with a big nightclub event. I did like 25 in a row. Is this the bingo thing that you did? No, this was just pure nightclub PAs. for 45 minutes. I still do them now. I still do them and I still do them for the same money with the same people that started me off. That's so nice. I've still got a few now because they're the ones that started me off. Yeah. You know, and to be honest, when you do these nightclub events, a lot of people do them six months later, you've forgotten about.

27:40So I honestly thought I'll do this for six months and then it'll just drop off. So it'd just be a little bit of a side and here we are four years later, we're still doing things and we've got our own show coming out. But again, if it all ends tomorrow, it ends tomorrow. Do you know what I mean? it's given me like meeting people like yourself, travelling to places, and that's all it is basically. You know, I couldn't care less. Went to the Brits, was there live on the Brits, was invited to the after party afterwards. I went home because the Chinese were waiting for me. What is your go-to order?

28:13I'm desperate to know. Oh, yes. Favourite question. I'm not telling you. Oh, no! If I'm ordering for us family of six at home on a Saturday night. Are we going to bosh after it or not? Can I just say, I've got like... I've got to do something. Get ready for this. We do a weekly wine on this show. I just need to interrupt. And you, I've got a weekly wine for you. It's that you've done for the sweet and sour chicken, a veggie option. Yeah, yeah, they keep going to that. And it keeps coming veggie. And it's like a ball of salt. Do you know what? Order again. Order again. I'll take the mickey out of vegans.

28:44I'll give you a bit of meat in there. I'll take the mickey out of vegans with a Chinese. But when you get vegetables that are Chinese in black bean. Oh, yeah, they're nice. They're beautiful. You put a vegetable sweet and sour chicken, so instead of the chicken bits, it's like a lump of God knows what it is. That's all wrong. Top of vegetables is fine. Don't need any fake meats in there. If I was ordering for a family of six, like Josh, my daughter's boyfriend, and we just found out that we were just sorting chili king prawn, and that's a dish me and Johnny share, and he just told us that that's his favourite, and he never gets any.

29:16He never gets any because we take any. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. That's an elite dish. He's the last one up. You can't just share your elite dish. I would get an egg fried rice, special fried rice, shredded chicken charming, plain charming, Singapore rice noodle, sweet and sour chicken pork, sweet and sour chicken Hong Kong style, sweet and sour pork Hong Kong style, shredded chili beef, beef in black bean, chicken in black bean, king prawn in black bean, roast chicken Chinese style, roast duck Chinese style, chips, pork crackers, curry sauce and spring rolls to Charlotte because she likes it. And we've been getting charcery pork and the odd occasion I might get lemon chicken.

29:43I like lemon chicken as well. Not sitting, not sitting, not at home. Duck and pancakes is sitting. Do you know why? If you've got your duck and pancakes at home and all your other stuff's there, you're eating that and you're thinking, I want to eat that. When you're in a restaurant, it comes out in stages. When you're at home, there's no stages. It's just free for all. So duck and pancakes, restaurant only for me. Okay. The way you've just rattled that off, could you review their Chinese owners? Will you guys give them your ideal Chinese takeaway? Mine feels weak though. Yeah, mine feels weak as well.

30:15I'm a dim sum-y girl. I like dim sum again sitting. When you start as... Well, I've just bought some online. She likes the shumai's and the shumai's. I like shumai's, hambau, chasubau's. I like, I do a duck, sweet-sour chicken. There's only soup in there. You're not a soup person. I love the soup. Not at home. I like a hot and sour. Oh, it's a different scenario. If you're in a restaurant, then I'd have a soup, duck, mixed hors d 'oeuvres, then go on to your mains. Yeah, yeah. But this is a takeaway. When you're eating the Bull Kid, by the time you get to the mains, you're full, aren't you? Because you've had three courses before that.

30:49They'll bring out crab, lobster. always scallops like they did a sizzling scallop dish last night which is unbelievable so you know the Blue Orchid for instance like you've given them a hell of a lot of press right is this in Romford is it? Romford's been the same family since 1953 I want to go there now they must be buzzing off the press that they've received listen I've been I've been going to Blue Orchid since I was seven years of age with my dad it was a special treat place since you were seven stone now you've heard since I was six seven now the truth is if we've got a takeaway with my mum and dad you wouldn't go to the Blue Orchid, you'd use the takeaway because this is a restaurant.

31:23But if you were having a special occasion, let's go to the Blue Orchid. Oh, you know, like people used to dress up and go to the Blue Orchid and have a nice sit down. Nice. And I've been going in there. Me and my wife, Charlotte, used to go in there when we went out, before we went to the pictures. So we've been going in there for years, right? And I've been in there when they've been struggling, when they've been through tough times. But the food is so good, isn't it? It is excellent. And the people, you've got Stingray, he's 70 odd years of age, you've got his two sons Ruthless Richard and Dangerous Daniel they've become friends and there's such anyone goes in there you're going to come out of there thinking well and you know when you go in a restaurant and sometimes you don't want the staff to talk to you you just want to be left alone to eat you don't it's great they know which way to go and it's nice having a chat with Richard and Daniel even before we become close mates with them because they just put you at ease you know but I wouldn't shout it out I go to many places and people think oh you're shouting out places you're getting paid I don't get any money off them you know So you're the Samrat?

32:18The exact same. I had the exact same. So on my football podcast, Peter Crouch's podcast, we talked about my local Indian restaurant because I grew up there. Yeah, exactly. From eight years old, I was going there. It's called the Samrat. And I've given them a shout-out. But they still haven't given you one, Peter. No, no, no. They never let me. I've never had a frigging coffee at the end for free. No, no, no. Yeah, but you like it in there. I love it. And I only shout them out because I love them. You like it, yeah. And we did a podcast from there. Bear in mind, we had loads of people come down, like famous people, like everyone was eating in there.

32:49He still didn't turn the takeaway off. No, really? So they kept ringing. Yeah, but that's right. The phone kept ringing right away through the podcast. It's proper. And it's the same with Blue Orchid. They'll look after us and they'll try on special occasions and say, that's on us, John. But we pay. Do you know what I mean? You pay your way. And it's a proper people. And they're the same family. I love traditional family restaurants. And there's not enough of them anymore. Yeah, they're all gone. They're all gone. Listen, you change, some of them are good, but I don't want to eat in chains. I want to eat in a proper family restaurant.

33:18Fancy Chinese is not for us. Proper home cooks, comfort food Chinese. And you go in the blue walking, I've been in there on dark days. I've been on happy days. Whatever mood you go in there, you come out happy. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I want to go. And they're proper people. You'll have to come. You'll have to come. We'll take you up on that. Yeah, I know, definitely. Well, how have you found, obviously, both of you now, obviously with your boxing and obviously with the viral career that you've got now, and obviously the show, I imagine, will bring a whole new audience as well. How have you found people kind of recognising you?

33:48You know, is there a time where you go down to the local shop and you just don't want to read a Chinese order to someone? Do you know what I mean? Or say Bosh. It's more so when you go further afield, I find, than in America, Australia. How have you found it? Has it been crazy? Listen, people come up to me and go, I can't believe how friendly you are to people, but I still can't believe people want a photo with me or a video. The only time it gets me down is like, you can't go out of a night when people are drunk you have this you know like you have it bigger than me Johnny has it as well people in pubs when they start wanting to grab you and I don't like that don't touch me do you know what I mean if you grab me I'll grab you back I'm no one special I've seen him when people get photos at the nightclub events and someone I saw someone squeeze you I had two big blokes bigger than me one was that side he put his arm around my waist one the other side he was squeezing that way he was squeezing that way so I had my arm around him I just choked him he had locked him I said to him I said We can both fucking push.

34:44I'm a normal bloke. You know, if you ever got me, I'll ever go back, no matter who you are. Do you know what I mean? But thankfully, I can count on one hand the times that's happened. But I don't put myself in situations. I can't really go out to a place where people are drinking or... Yeah. And it's not in a bad way because I quite like being at home. When I've got a spare night, I just go home. Do you know what I mean? I think being at home and sitting indoors. Yeah, Johnny's the same. You know, you're a boxer, so you keep that. We're in between houses at the moment because we've bought a new house and we're doing a renovation.

35:08I love this. And it's nowhere near done. but I cannot wait to just be in my house. There's no place like sitting. There's nothing better than coming in, getting on the set, eat your dog next to you. I know. I'm talking about Arnie, not my wife. The dog next to you. Putting a telly on and a bag of crisps, some sweets. Do you know what I mean? A good series on or film on. The only trouble is when you've got so much. Eating on my new sofa. No crisps on my new sofa. You've got to do it wherever you can. But the only trouble is now when you're flicking, there's so much stuff. too much especially on Paramount Plus you mentioned your wife Charlotte there I saw a post every day 30 years together is it this week congratulations that's unbelievable it was on Monday yeah so we just stayed in London for three nights supposed to be two we extended another extra night I said look while we're here we might as well be here yeah 30 years is a long time to be married to someone that's a long time how do you celebrate what is the it's not paid for what is 30 it's Pearl Pearl oh yeah yeah she did better than Pearl so don't worry about that she did all right how long have you been married yeah well no it's a oyster sauce tiny chicken balls chicken balls in bowl sauce how long have you been married we've been together 21 years but we've been 14 married no it's longer than that 15 15 years married I get it wrong 15 that's an achievement in itself especially in this day especially with high profile like what you are and four kids and four dogs and two cats I've found I've found when you're married or you've got a partner it's the kids that keep you together because when I was a young man, there's no way I'd want another man bringing up my kids.

36:44Do you know what I mean? If you split up. So whatever problems you've had or you've got, your kids keep you together. I love my dogs as much as I love my kids. What dog have you got? We've got a Rottweiler, an XL Bully and a Labrador. And Johnny's got a Rottweiler as well. I like them. They're beautiful dogs. They're lovely. Unbelievable dogs. A bit misunderstood as well. They're just, they're groaning, they're growling is their way of communicating. It's the same as a cat purring. It's the same sort of thing. Also loyal, such a loyal dog. We've got a lab as well. We've got a lab, a cab of poo, and then we've got two dogs that big.

37:14Yeah, really. My little girls' dogs. Yeah, the dogs are great dogs as well. The best. Oh, they're labs. We've got a lab. We always have a lab. Whatever dog we've got, we'll have a lab with it. Yeah. Yeah, beautiful dogs. So we've spent a Rodford Bull. What's the, how's that come about? I was actually in Las Vegas sparring when I was a uni student. I was at Exeter Uni. I got asked to go and spar out with my good friend, Joe Joyce. And I sparred this American amateur heavyweight called Jeremiah Milton, who I still talk to bits and bobs today. And he was one of the top American heavyweights. And I weren't really, I'd had one senior amateur fight at that point.

37:47And I just thought, let's go in there and have a go at it. And his trainer at the time said, you fight like a ball, man. You fight like a ball. Where are you from? And I said, I'm from Romford. And he went, well, you're the Romford ball. Pretty simple, actually. He's a Romford ball. His dad's known as the Romford beach ball. So it works out well. But yeah, I've had some great, I was never meant, if I think about my career, I was never meant to be a boxer. I studied history at uni. I was going to go and try and attempt to be a barrister with the guy who was the manager of Joe Joyce, Adam Morley.

38:16He had a law firm. I wanted to try and get some work experience there maybe off the back of the sparring. And then after that, he said, why don't you just turn pro with me and see what you can do. Sam Jones was with him at the time as well. So I'll give credit to him as well. And then Eddie sort of signed me because I was from Romford. He'd give you a year, didn't he? Yeah, we'll take a punt. One year, see what happens. and the first couple of fights were in COVID. No one was there, obviously, because it was all locked down. Then we fought in Eddie's Garden on the Matchroom show. And then the first one in front of a crowd was at the O2, a proper one.

38:48Yeah, that was a big one. We watched that. Yeah, but Dillian White pulled out and the whole show had to be cancelled. Yeah, the whole show was going to have to be cancelled, but you kept it alive by soon. But I didn't know. I'd sold about 2 ,000 tickets for that one, but you don't know what 2 ,000 looks like. And then it was my first time in front of a crowd and it was covering the whole bowl of the O2. and I couldn't believe it and that was a nerve-wracking experience. But now I go in front of the crowd because I've done it since I was four or five fights in. It feels quite normal now, which is great, but just good memories looking back, you know.

39:18You don't realise how good their memories are until you look back. In the moment, you don't think about it, do you? It must be the same with your playing career until he's five, ten years later. I look back at it now, like I've said in my football career now, it's like an out-of-body experience. Someone will show me a goal and I'll be like, I can't believe it. You know, I was doing that, you know. Because you're too in the moment thinking about the pressure and the strain of it all, and then you can only really enjoy it once it's all done, you know. Are you from boxing, John? Was that your whole background?

39:47I had amateur. My granddad was a professional boxer. My dad put me into boxing. I had 10 amateur fights. I was okay, but I was never, I knew I'd never gone and make anything out of it, but I used to love the training, used to love the discipline. But I played for Latin Orient up to the age of 16, but I used to do the football and the boxing. and I should have concentrated on one. There's a lot of players I played football with, Chris Bart Williams, Darren Kaskey, Danny Sains, Tony Richards, like they become good players, you know. So I played at a high level at football, but I was always big. I was always like, when I was 15, I was like 17 and a half stone.

40:23No fat, but just probably too big for football. You know, what's the heaviest footballer, 13, 14 stone? Yeah, I know. You know, so it was just that I knew at a time I'm never going to make it as a footballer. I had great experiences at football. Big part of my life. Yeah. Right, guys, we've got some listener questions. Is that all right for you? Yeah. Okay, Callum P says, Big John Johnny, legends, can't wait for the new show. If you could remove one takeaway fast food from the planet, never to be eaten again, what would it be and why? Sushi. Yeah. Do you know what? I'm with you there. Takeaway.

40:55Yeah. That's a takeaway. Yeah, and the idea of someone rolling their fingers along a sushi roll and just touching it in cold and slimy fish, just not for me. It makes such a... Total sense. So such sense. I'm going to say Nando's overrated. Nando's is a little bit overrated. Nando's totally overrated. I do agree with you. And they've just ordered some. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know. We have just ordered it, but... It's convenient. I do agree with you. I do think it's overrated, to be fair. I prefer to make my own chicken pitta. I like the chicken fire pitta. That's one good thing they do in there. That makes total sense.

41:26Well done, boys. Okay, got another one. Big love. Bosh. The Bosh farmer. My question is, If you could witness one person, living or dead, shout the word Bosh back at you, who would that person be? Other than my dad, I'd love to speak to my dad one more time. But I would say either Alfred the Great, greatest Englishman that ever lived, or Queen Elizabeth I, who defeated the Spanish Armada. Really? I'd love to see her turn around and go, Bosh. Imagine that. Bosh. Historical Bosh. I'd say you were allowed to defeat the Spanish Armada. Then go, Bosh. Have some of that. That's a tough one. that's a really tough one that's really tough what about you like who's standing over in the boxing ring like dead or alive standing over and bosh have that not standing over but imagine in one of his speeches Muhammad Ali giving him one and going bosh at the end of it that would be an amazing one or Russell Crowe just as Maximus yeah and in his speech he goes bosh at the end of it he's delivered that one imagine that what's the speech she gives father to a murdered one.

42:34I did it outside the Coliseum. I looked so fat. But I did it on father to a murdered chicken. When I did it, I changed it. And it had quite a few minutes. Maximus Boshmuss. My nickname at school used to be Tallest Maximus. Yeah, I did think then when you're pretending you don't know the spiel from Gladius and you know every single word. When did you start getting tall? When did you start getting tall? Always. Would you always be ahead? above everyone else. Because sometimes when someone's ahead, they get caught up, don't they? Yeah, yeah. Never got caught. Never been caught. Never got caught. No.

43:09No. I'm definitely going to be the smallest in our family soon. You will be soon, yeah. Yeah, but you're not short. My daughter's six foot. You're not short. She's six foot. Wow. She's a tennis player. Yeah, that's good. Oh, lovely. That's good. That's good. All right, one more. Dying to know, so hoping you can read out my question for the boys. What is the maddest thing that's happened to him since he's gone viral? And also, how is the weight loss journey going? I opened a shared online recently. This is priority. And I'm in need of some good workout tips. Well, for you as well, the workout tips as well.

43:40The weirdest thing at the moment, like, you remember, like, I'll remember things that have happened. I was walking when Johnny was in just before fight week, about a few weeks ago, and Radio 1 rung me up and said, oh, we've got someone wants to talk to you. And I said, okay, put them on. It was Florence Pugh. Oh, my God, I love her. She's rung me up saying she wants to come for a Chinese. So I'm a big fan of Florence Pugh. Me too. Yeah, she's great. It's a surreal moment, you know what I mean? I'm getting off at Stratford. I was asked to, I won't mention any names, a Saudi Arabian billionaire took me from Vegas to Ibiza for one night for a birthday party and then flew me back.

44:16Oh, my God. For lunch. For lunch. Just to have a Chinese review. It was actually Chinese. It was a bit of Chinese, a bit of fancy Chinese, Asian, but it was his girlfriend actually doing it to surprise him. No way. He was like besotted. and I'm thinking, fucking hell. That's amazing. I was there, like racing car driver, a few other people were there and then I flew back the next day to my wife and daughter in Las Vegas for one night just to fly home with them. Wow. Yeah, so just strange, strange. That's a good job, isn't it? What would you do? I mean, this is talking about your workout tips here as well.

44:49Like, what have you been doing? Like, have you been helping as well with this way? I think Eddie's taking most of it. It's just walking. Eddie, Eddie's just so simplified it for me. Being a fat bloke, saunas, swimming, walking, but when you walk March. A plenty of fluids of water. A plenty of fluids and electrolytes, you know, and just simple stuff. You know when you need simple instructions? Yeah. He says you're overcomplicating things. I think a lot of people do that now with fitness. It's simple. Just keep it simple. A routine you can stick to. And going to bed, getting enough sleep is really important as well.

45:20That's the one thing I don't do enough of sleep. I still don't sleep enough. Because that's where your body's repairing and getting better as well. I just bought a power plate. What do you think of them? Are they the things that you stand on by breaks? chicken balls on. Power plate, yeah. I just heard the word plate. You stand on it. You stand on it. You stand on it and it's supposed to like shake your fat off and turn you. I don't know how true. But it's good for like getting your system going or like like your lymphatic. It must do something, yeah. Your lymphatic system going so you feel good.

45:50Johnny's right. I think just stick to something that you're going to stick to. Yeah, if there's something that you're going to use and stick to then you're building a routine of it. If you build a routine of anything, it's like any life. It's like me saying, oh, I'm going to go for a jog three times a week and I'm going to do this. I'm not going to do it. No, me neither. Do you know what I mean? But I've got three dogs so Eddie knows you can walk. Walk them. A brisk walk. Walk. Two brisk walks a day and then get your steps in. He said, he said, steps are no good if you don't do the brisk walk when you're losing weight.

46:12And he's right. So for 25 minutes twice, I'm fast. You need an incline as well, don't you, Ben? Yeah. And the thing is now, if I, this is what, to all the fat people out there, this is, I'm still fat, right? I've still got weight to go, A long way to go. But before, if I saw stairs, I wouldn't even attempt them. I'd just look for a lift or I'd go down. I remember there was a restaurant. There you are. With 10 steps. Oh, yeah. And there was a lift next to it. There was literally 10 steps. He said, no, I'm taking a lift. Like, what are you doing? It's wrong. It's wrong. But at that time, when you're carrying all that weight, you don't want to walk up 10 steps.

46:44No. So for me, as a fat bloke, now being able to walk up steps. I mean, me and my wife come out of the, we was doing something else for the show, and we had to walk up 70 steps from a train station. I would never have dreamed of doing that. Like back in the day, I would have done when I was fit, but when I was fat, like heavier, I would never have dreamed it. And it might not sound like a big freak. You know you can walk up steps. No, but you should be proud. You feel a lot better in yourself. People say to me, what's your weight goal? I haven't got one. It's just about feeling better. Feeling good.

47:14Like after I have dinner now, I'll go for a walk. I'd never do that. I'll just lie on the set. and this is to all the fat people out there that can relate to this you know because there'll be fat people at home now having their dinner not wanting to go for a walk just go for a walk even if it's a short walk you feel better but I even think if you're not fat if you're out of exercise it's hard to get motivated I had a break after my fight and then I feel like the first couple of sessions you feel like you haven't trained and you can be thin and unfit you can be thin and not have a healthy heart that's me

47:48All right, we've got some agony abs. We've got these, basically, we just help out the listeners, but they're designed to, well, with you in mind as well. Boschmeisters, Abi, Pedro and Gaz. Abi's mentioned many times on the show that she only gets, she always gets banned from attending her kids' sports events because she gets too passionate and shouty. My dad turns up to every football match and I play and shouts louder than anyone else on the touchline. I love him, but I'm 19 and it's genuinely mortifying. Big John, you've been the dad in the crowd for Johnny for years. How did you manage yourself and guys?

48:24How do I ask mine to tone it down without hurting his feelings? Can I just say, I used to play football. Many a times I've looked over on the sideline, my dad's having a fight with someone. Because someone's only got to say something about your son. I'm not condoning that, but I have seen my dad, God bless you, so I had three or four fights at a junior football match. And I've watched many of football matches, and I find the worst people are the mums. They are? Oh, my gosh. When me and my wife used to watch any of our sons play football or even Hetty playing netball, I'd say, I'm not standing with you.

48:58Because she used to be, why is he not doing this? Why are they not doing that? Why are they not doing that? Terrible. And do you know what? When I watch Johnny Box, I'm silent as a mouse. It'll be a odd thing. I might shout one thing. My mum and dad and my granddad, when I remember football, football was worse with my parents. Like, you don't get involved with the boxing. No. You don't get in a change room, nothing like that. And that's how it should be when you get to that level of sport. But it can, people, parents watching their kids just never enjoy it. You're never going to stop parents being passionate.

49:24It's their kids, it's their life. You know, yeah, reign it in. As long as all I say is be passionate, encourage, encourage anybody, but never be detrimental to anyone else playing on that pitch. You know, support your son, support your daughter. but don't take any anger. Don't be angry and just rein it in a little bit. Don't do what Grandad did. So Fika used to be able to, when she was a swimmer, she'd moved from swimming for tennis and she could hear me screaming while she was underwater. Yeah, we don't. I was that loud. We know people that support their kids swimming. While she's underwater.

49:53Literally. What are you like watching her play tennis? Oh, I'm barred. Because that's a bit more reserved. I'm barred. I'm not allowed. Yeah. I have to do it. You can probably guess. I find it very difficult to be quiet. She's got to barring you herself. Yeah. Yeah. Because she don't want that pressure of you. Yeah, she's not been officially barred. Not yet, not yet. I'm not allowed to watch her train. I'm not allowed to watch any of her matches. How old is she? She's 15. And so that's crucial age now at tennis, isn't it? But Pete was actually a tennis player. He had to choose between tennis and football.

50:25You had the right build for the tennis. Yeah. Not them are tall lads, didn't they? So they're a good mix because he's very calm and watch her and courage is where I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? No, but you've been through it as well. So you know whatever happened. You know, there's highs and lows. Well, I'm not going to help her in certain ways. You know, certainly the mentality of things like that. But you're not going to help her by being neurotic? No. No. No, exactly right. I know, I know. I'm left at home. Even when I see the boys playing football and I don't know football or particularly like it, I don't know the lingo, so I'm like, run, kick!

50:56I don't know what to show. But listen, you're never going to change that. It's because you care as well, that's good. And I don't think, I think life's becoming too sterile as well. As I said, never abuse anybody. worry about your own child, but passion's a good thing. Do you know what I mean? Especially when it's your children, because there's too many kids out there now without anyone looking at them playing sport. Do you know what I mean? So if you're a child and you've got someone coming to support you, embrace it, because there's a lot of kids that haven't got anyone supporting them. And they'd love to have someone supporting them.

51:24Do you know what I mean? Mencar journey is on the way home from a football match when you know you've had a bad game. It's been a game, bud. You get so many people online like they're coming, you think that was good? You used to see me play when I was young. I never used to do that. A lot of people live their lives through their kids. Do you know what I mean? I throw it more football than I do with boxing. It's weird, isn't it? Football is worse. Right, guys, good luck with it all. Big John's Bosch family. Paramount Plus, November the 5th. Is that right? We'll be watching that tonight. Thank you very much.

51:54Thank you for having fun. Thanks, guys. Cheers.

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