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2:13Acast helps creators launch, grow, and monetize their podcasts everywhere. ACAST.com Let me just say, listeners, this is complete I'm not going to lie about GCSEs You're literally doing it to one base now I'm not Hi, I'm being Pete and Gaz Every time he gets a shower He feels compelled to do the helicopter dance Balls are funny, aren't they? Just hell no You know what you're talking about? Conspiracy theories Birds aren't real Oh, shut up Flat Earth theory Obviously, with your three A-stars in science You'd be able to tell us Maybe I'm not Christopher Columbus Obligado Hello and welcome to the Therapy Crouch with me, Abbey Clancy and me, Peter Crouch and me, Gaz how are we guys?

2:58Good, you look like you've got a bit of a tan there, Gaz I think I've caught one day in One day in the sun Already glowing I know Dressed like the Cuban pimp again I do apologise I can't leave the linens alone It's in you It's in you The minute you go into sunshine you just think it's got to be linen I think so, yeah I don't know who I think I am No, linen's good good option in the sun? No, I think it's a great option in the sun, but you could go for shorts. Yeah, you look more comfortable than I do, to be fair. Well, yeah, I've just come straight from a highly intense tennis match. That's why I'm dressed like this.

3:27How did it go? Well, it didn't really go to plan, if I'm being totally honest. I think I bit off more than I could chew. It's so bizarre for me to have you come home having lost something. I'm sorry, but I can't even look at you.

3:48Pete said come and watch me so you know I thought I took the kids to the bloody shop to get these neados you know this craze that the kids did like all these squishy things so I went there I'd been to the animal shelter volunteering this morning then I went there and then I thought I'm going to go home get a shower I just dropped in that you volunteered at the animal shelter that's a whole episode and then Pete was begging me to come and watch him so I got there the guy turned up looked fit as a fiddle springing his step and I sat there obviously you know he had the full bag when I saw the the Yonex coming out the boot I was like he's in big trouble this guy needs business and he did he did mean business so I couldn't I couldn't watch you know when you just know but Peter's got a torn ACL and a damaged yeah no listen to me the first set I was rusty and I think, you know, I got beat comfortably there.

4:48Second set, I mean, I was three nil up, got back to three all. I went to five three, back to five all. He ended up doing me seven five. That's painful, yeah. It was really frustrating. I should have took it to the third set. That's what done me. I'm fuming with that. And I'll be honest with you, I'm angry. I'm angry at myself, I feel like my family down. I've got butterflies. I've got severe anxiety over it. Well, listen, let me tell you now, by the time this trips out, that man's going down he's going to be he's going to be so happy that he beat you as well like Pete he had a full audience really?

5:23yeah oh it was it was an intense match oh you are good though babe I am good and you know I think he's he's obviously very good I take my comment back like I said to you yesterday about what? where I was like I actually think you could hold your own with Sinner and Alcaraz that was a big call when you say hold your own like I could have a rally with them and it'd be fine there's no way I'm going to win a match against them it's like you're talking number one and two world tennis aim high aim high aim high it's a pretty big game do you reckon you could beat Sabalenka? I don't know I don't know probably not beat by a girl but anyway what does it feel like when you are 5-2 up and it slowly starts slipping away can you feel it can you feel yourself losing a grip just becoming a little a bit tentative like I haven't played as much as I liked and I grew up with tennis and football obviously and I just haven't played enough and I think once I do which I really want to do I want to get into it a bit more now and play a bit more I think that you might need to call Diogo up a bit and get some lessons at this rate well that's what I'm thinking that's what I'm thinking I feel funny I feel so weird in what way because I'm normally married to a champ you still are married to a champ I like winners not losers sorry my chump today it's alright babe listen I'll be back as we say on the Peter Crouch we're back stronger exactly we get knocked down we get back up again you better hide otherwise you're getting dumped I'll make you proud of me again don't worry babe and you were volunteering this morning yeah so obviously animals are a huge passion of mine and last year when we were here in Portugal we found a little tiny baby kitten and we you know we fed him we kept him we brought him home to the uk adopted him i became aware of this the most incredible rescue center here in the algarve it's called ara um animal rescue algarve and the guy sid who owns it was just phenomenal good was he oh my god so he's been here for decades and he's got a huge passion for animals and animal rescue and when he saw you know the conditions of like the main animal rescue centers here he just thought you know this is unacceptable and while people are trying to do the best and you know sometimes it's understaffed over crowded you know some of these places are like huge pens with 50 dogs in them and you know little shade you know this place was like a hotel i was like no dog's gonna want to be rehomed after living here you know it was just mega it looked like some of the rooms were like actual front rooms so he he was obviously fully aware that there are some dogs that cannot be rehomed because of their past trauma you know these dogs have come from the most cruelest horrendous conditions and some of them you know just can't go to families so what the dogs who are going to be there long term he's made like their kennels with like a sofa in no way a coffee table a rug you know an armchair so they have that sense of we're at home and obviously so the dogs some of the dogs are in the kennels today but they all live out they go on walks twice a day they heavily rely on donations and but just just the program he was doing like they go you know he is very very um passionate about teaching the younger generations about how to look after animals and animal welfare um so they go into schools and they take some of the dogs and you know it was just it was incredible there was this one dog that had been tied up and left on a field for god knows how long and he was completely emaciated he was blind he had skin condition and you oh it's even crazy and um he was still like wagging his tail you know when we went over like it was horrendous and you've never seen an emaciated body like it and he said we've had him a month now if you would have seen him you know he was on death's door um but you know i think that's the lovely thing about animals even after everything they go through if they have like a really bad time they still want human love and um so i went i took the girls we went did a big shop and bought a load of food and we got to hold some beautiful kittens tiny tiny kittens because you know they have this policy of like 40 in 40 out like a month the rehoming program is just incredible they what what they do and like if dogs come in in pairs you try and keep them as pairs and you know it's you know especially when you go to foreign countries there is a a culture of you know the the care for animals is you know not what like i'm used to you know our pets are in our bed they're taken everywhere with us we'd love them like we'd love our children and i think you know starting at that level we're educating the younger generation hopefully things will change but you know it's it was just a phenomenal place and you know they've said i'm welcome to go there and help out they've got lots of volunteers there they've got like staff accommodation on site where people are coming for months on end just to volunteer but it was just mega i fell in love with one particular dog called ghost um which was like a big white kind of German shepherdy, saluki mix that I really want to bring home with us.

11:14That was the worry. You know, there was some sort of animal going to come home with us. I held a kitten. That was a week old. The mum came in pregnant and had the babies and they were just, it was amazing. It's just like my... So it's a lovely thing to do. And it was immaculate. But the work this guy has put in, it's just you wouldn't believe it some people are great aren't they just looking after you know helping out like that yeah dedicating their lives to it yeah it costs 900 ,000 pound a year to run is it yeah wow yeah because even like things that you don't think about like he was talking about like every kennel and everything that they need to have you know fire extinguishers and an escape route because there's so many lives there like when Portugal was had terrible weather a couple of months ago there was consistent rain the whole place flooded so they've had to put in an infrastructure if that happens again because they're in the bottom of a valley like they've had to build walls to divert the water it's just like they're building this big outdoor cattery which is just it's just amazing it was just a really really heartwarming morning and then you ruined it by getting beat at tennis what a contrast but yeah shout out to Ara can I just say if you go on their website which we will add a link to you can go on and see the incredible work they do and donate because you know these guys need every bit of help they can get Nicely done, just moving on babe we asked Abby to get her GCSE examination results do you remember because she said she got entirely A stars she's produced a document here and I don't know what to make of it I mean, it says GCSE examination results.

13:05Summer examination, June. There must be flaws in this because this has been doctored. It hasn't. This has been edited. Because English language, A star. English literature, A star. Mathematics, A star. Science, double award, A star. Science, double award, A star. French, A star. History, A star. Geography, A star. And additional science, A star. Yeah. So you're an A star in your science. Yeah. Three sciences from the looks of it. I did triple science. Look, I don't need to lie about this. Nine eight stars. Yes. Someone signed it at the bottom. That's all I can see there. 2002. When were you born?

13:481986. Is that check out? Quick maths. Yeah. Let's check out, yeah. 16. That is the only thing. Like, it's that little bit of... Blurb. are you gonna be honest now i asked claire rpa to write to the school and get the documents and she has so there you go fair play i mean you can't argue when this came through the other night you were like what in the chat gpt is this but looking at it i mean it looks legit i can't lie it's 100 i'm not gonna lie about gcse is that right you're literally doing it to my face now Anma? This. Let me just say, listeners, this is complete bollocks. But, you know, listen, you're a very bright young lady.

14:40Why do you find it so hard to believe that I've got nine eight stars? Well, can you give us some French now? Yeah. Le samedi matin, je jouais au tennis avec mes amis. Well, listen, I love you so much, I'm going to move on. Prove me wrong. Yeah, you'll like today's out then if you're well into your triple science because we've got some crazy theories to do with conspiracy theories to do with science. So you might enjoy that. I'm pretty old. She loves science because she's got three A stars in it. Definitely loves it. Ask Holly. Ask Charlotte. I will. You can't. I'm not going to lie. I don't, I don't, I'm not saying you didn't do well.

15:18But I know you're incredibly bright and you're able to do that. I don't think you did enough work to get A stars. I don't think you were there enough. In school. I was. Pete are you joking I went to college instead of doing my A levels and I didn't go to college because I just sat in the cafe at least that was honest let's go to Sayers do you remember Sayers yeah it's just a critics isn't it yeah and we used to get like toast on like thick crust bed with loads of butter we used to sit outside eat the toast whilst sociology and our history A level lessons were going on So not quite as good at A-level level.

15:59No, because I wanted to be a pop star then. Did you? I was in my band, so I was like... Did you have a band? No. She did, mate. Yeah, Genie Queen. She's put her hand up. Fantastic. What was it called? Genie Queen. Genie Queen. Can we find that online? No, we can't. It's out there, mate. Is it out there? No, it's not. Oh, my goodness. Look, I'm too cool for school. It's fine. You're very cool. Have you got a wine for me? Just losing at tennis, really, isn't it? Yeah, not really. No, actually, I've got a wine. When you left, I gave you a job to do, was to pick up the dog poo. And it's still there.

16:36Why is that my job? I didn't even want the dogs. No, because you don't want your wife picking up poo, do you? And then, like, stroking your face later. What about me? You don't stroke my face? I do. I'd love to. No, sorry, that is a blue job. The blue jobs. That is. Oh, yeah. Blue job for a blow job.

16:57you can't say that I think you'll find I just have I thought you could suck your own knob anyway I've tried I think we've all tried haven't we everyone is I haven't she got I haven't got a wine for her because she's been really really well behaved I think I'm relaxed you are aren't you yeah because since like October I've been worrying so much about not finding a house and da-da-da-da. And now, you know, things are starting to fall into place. I think maybe this is kind of, us coming out here has really been a good, good for you. Well, it's a bit of a reset. It's family time. It feels less hectic.

17:42I've really enjoyed our company. A bit vitty. I think there's nothing that's pissed me off. Well, that's great. Yeah. On the topic of resets, actually, I've got, you know, of these would you rather scenarios like would you rather sneeze glitter or poo glue would you okay this is one about i don't think you'll have heard it about a guy called dave right if you reset now and you were back to square one you didn't know each other you had no money no assets right and you could either have three thousand pounds in your bank account every month or whenever you want to buy anything you have to conjure up this man called dave he comes out of thin air and he's got a horrible attitude problem he's really horrible to be around he moans at you for calling to me he's like I was tired I was in bed why have you brought me here and he'll fight with you too for nail but eventually he'll buy you the thing you need so if you're at a shop he'll get it for you eventually and it'll happen every time so you can have anything you want or would you rather three thousand a month I'd rather have Dave because it sounds exactly like Pete so I'm used to that I'm used to begging him to buy me things so that's why grumpy old Dave well yeah you're classing me as the grumpy old man that comes out and goes I don't want to buy this for you but ends up doing it anyway yes well you're not grumpy you're not old but i do like you know well yeah i put the brakes on sometimes um i i would just take the three going would you um i don't want the energy in my life i don't want that energy in my life no i surround myself with people who aren't like that would you i was thinking would you not like call dave out a few times to buy you a big house a car all the big things oh yeah if you can touch yeah You do all that and then you just ask your partner to get the milk and the groceries.

19:22Listen, for the big things, you've got to, haven't you? You can't have both. Well, that's what I mean. I don't think you can have both. Dave will do anything for you. He'll get you anything. Yeah, but I think you've got to choose one or the other, haven't you? Dave all day. Dave all day. At least he gets shit done. He's a grumpy bastard. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's move on to the two audience wines. Go on. Hey guys, Jay here. I have a mother-in-law situation I'd like your advice on. She comes up three times a week to walk our dog. When she returns, she will sit with him for half an hour, then leaves.

19:54But when I return from work, things have happened. We recently moved into a new house and spent a lot of money and time getting the house nice. When I return from work, I will walk into random things such as the kitchen roll and toilet roll being turned around, missing items out of our food cupboards, things in the wrong bins, things put in places I didn't put them, and then leaves mud and her dirty pots in the sink for me to clean once I return home. I'm stuck in a tricky situation of do I say anything to her and risk causing a family feud with her and my partner or do I have to keep spending half an hour a day tidying up after when I return home from work.

20:32Cheers, advice would be appreciated. Well, I think it's a tricky one, isn't it? Because the mother-in-law already sounds like she's trying to be a pain in the arse and cause trouble. so on that note sisters I'd just keep quiet I'd take the half an hour of cleaning up and she'll eventually get the hint that no matter what she does it's not going to rise her up and she'll stop doing it yeah I think she's looking for a reaction by the sounds of it I think this is calculated yeah what I've learned in my old age silence is key when did you learn that? today? while you're of the animal shower. No, but I mean, no reaction.

21:15A load of baloney. No reaction is the biggest reaction and it just winds people up. That's such a lovely thing to say, but you are not capable of that. I don't possess that quality to be quiet and shut the fuck up. But you're advising Jay to do that. That's what I'd like to do, but I am like Roger Rabbit. Like where... yeah you just you can't let things go there was one situation the other day right and I said this is the nuclear option what we need to do we'll go right to the we'll listen we'll work it out and then we'll just our trump card basically in an argument with someone so bear in mind we had a call I think it was like in an hour's time bear in mind so she's already on the call before the actual call and has gone nuclear before the calls happened she did the nuclear option and I said right to the end do you remember you went nuclear before the court even started it's a flaw I've got it is a flaw but that's not look I'm not perfect and I'm saying to people don't be like me in certain scenarios you're telling Jay don't be like you yeah yeah great okay that's good advice yeah yeah good advice good stuff John D 'Ema from Liverpool hi Abby and Pete and Gaz Absolutely love the pod.

22:36I look forward to driving to work and listening every week as it's a great start to my day. I was listening to your pod about icks and I have to share my ick with my husband-to-be. Now, I'm not sure if it's a male thing and some women may even like it, but every time he gets a shower or gets undressed, he feels compelled to do the helicopter dance. And all I can hear are his balls slapping against the skin. he has a smile on his face every time he does it and might think that I find it amusing but I find it the biggest turn off and a real ick I feel bad if I say it's horrible is this a normal thing for men to do and should I tell them I don't find it attractive at all very interested in your thoughts Emma from Liverpool the biggest thing about that is so I just don't understand why she doesn't find that attractive

23:29I think that's just a it's a male thing is it to do something funny like that balls are funny aren't they you can do funny things with them no and I think you know I don't think I've done that to you I don't think I've ever done that to you never helicoptered well no we've all surely helicoptered us part of life you're about flicking like backwards and forwards Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's slapping. I get that. That's right. It's amusing. It can make a funny sound as well. I don't understand how balls could make a sound. Yeah, you can slap them around, can't you? Just hell no. I don't know. I mean, listen, he's obviously comfortable in his own skin.

24:16And, you know, he's probably trying to half impress and half... Tantalise. I don't know. I think it's mainly for fun reasons. but she isn't like it so I think maybe it has to stop not for me that would knock me sick if you did that I think it maybe has to stop do you reckon I think potentially do you helicopter your girlfriend I was going to say let the man live yeah it's a bit of fun but she always responds kind of with a giggle it's meant to be goofy right yeah she kind of in but then I think on the flip side let's say she had like very long I just picture a new helicopter not the image I'll punt in my head I do apologise no but let's say had like let's say like very long breasts and started swinging them around like the female equivalent of a helicopter if you actually think about that yeah it would be weird that is fucking mental isn't it like no no girl's ever got that but look at the just swinging them around swang her boobs around I don't know how I'd feel about that it'd be surreal wouldn't it it'd be like an art exhibition what are you doing yeah I think I think there's no need for any of this.

25:24I think men are just different. And I think that would be funny in a male scenario, but perhaps not. Not in a female scenario, maybe. No, I'd just tell them, you're not going to be sick and stop it now. Please stop that. Okay, good stuff. Good info. Evie says, Hey, the Clance, Carly P and Gaz. I hope your cups are full because it's wine time. I went to the supermarket recently and I bumped into an old school acquaintance who I haven't seen for years. I don't remember if she used to be something of a nightmare when we were younger, but she was very sweet to me and suggested we go out for a drink sometime.

26:00After much deliberation with my boyfriend, who suggested it was a good idea, I went out with her to our local town centre, Warwickshire. When we were out, all she did was mention the school days and all the borderline bullying and horrid stuff she used to do to me, finding it hilarious. I cringed and smiled my way through it all made out of an excuse to call the night early and then went home since then she's been blowing up my phone phone non-stop and wants to hang out and get closer but I can't physically bring myself to befriend an old high school bully I thought we'd got past it have you ever met anyone from your past that you didn't like and how did you handle it?

26:38Wow Good question It's quite a brutal scenario isn't it for poor Evie I think I'm quite good at culling like for a new person it's kind of like a one chance policy and they're out for people who've been in your life for a long time they kind of have a few more chances but I think I think you're you're very much like if you've been wronged by them they're out and they go off and get back in I think I think life's too and that's not me like holding grudges I just think if you're unkind to someone they're not your friend so you don't need them in your life. I only want to be surrounded by people who absolutely love me, like warts and all.

27:21Do you know what I mean? But I think this girl here is trying to give her a chance, even though she was horrible in school. Yeah, because you think that she could have thought, oh, we were kids then, you know, people grow up, they mature. But the fact that she still finds that funny because a lot of people get real serious psychological damage from the bullying they suffered in high school. So just, I'd just block her tell her to fuck right off I think that's I think that's fair I think that's fair as well you know it damaged me at school and you're not taking responsibility for it I remember seeing a bully in my school once being out as an adult and I just you know it does come back and you're like ooh give them a wide berth I've seen people that have been trying to be you know horrific to me at school who you know try and be a friend all of a sudden you're like nah Yeah Yeah I think that's it You've got to have your morals And your standpoints Yeah Absolutely Yeah Not for me Okay Crazy conspiracy theories Whoop whoop whoop I love a conspiracy theory Right it's the perfect time To hear from our sponsors And if you're enjoying this Then please Like and subscribe

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29:55These are good, babe. You know, we were talking about UFOs, conspiracy theories. Well, we've got some here. The first one, birds aren't real. Oh, shut up. Have you heard of this? No. I've not heard of this. This is a great one. You can hear them now. Do we hear them? Well, can you? Are they real? Is it a conspiracy theory that suggests that birds are actually surveillance drones operated by the United States government? No. The movement was started in 2017 by Peter McKindo, who for years positions himself as a bird truther. A bird truther. The main theories behind why you believe birds weren't real were recharging.

30:37Birds always sit on power lines to recharge. Surveillance, birds droppings are actually a liquid tracking device. Yeah. The movement gained hundreds of thousands of followers. It's coffee in the US. Yeah. Particularly among young people. On January the 6th, 2022, Mackindo threw up during a live TV interview with Chicago-based WGN9, claiming they were trying to poison him and that the interview was a hit job. What do you think about that then? Birds aren't real. They're just watching you. They're little robots. Well, we had a dead bird. You didn't even pick it up? I did. I did. It was under the table again?

31:20No, it wasn't. Where did you put it? I threw it outside. With great care. Where about though? Because it was back in the house. I don't know where. It was back in the house. No way. Where did you put it? Outside. Outside where? Outside. Tell me where. Near the neighbours bit. I've heard a recent conspiracy theory that Bill Gates is putting boxes of ticks. Ticks? Yeah, to give people Lyme disease so they can bring out this new vaccine. Where were we the other day? And you went, what are you talking about? It's always Bill Gates. Because he does all the vaccines, that's why. Does he? I thought he made windows, that guy.

31:59Bill Gates. How's he that rich making Windows Do you not know who Bill Gates is? Windows PCs I mean computers Yeah yeah Why is he doing vaccines? I was thinking about Windows Oh not like Windows Windows No No Windows PC No he's massive with all the vaccines Bill Gates he's like one pushing all these vaccines I don't know I don't know He's always involved in the conspiracy Bill Gates Is he? I can tell you This Birds Are Real is 100 % not real It was a parody designed to show how crazy conspiracy theories really are And hold on and people believed it or not people believed it people backed it he did go on a real chat show I watched it and he did puke live on the chat show and then was like they're trying to kill me they want to silence me I'm a bird truther and he was just he was absolutely having everyone on no way people still believe it now even though it's kind of even though he made it up even though he said I've made this up they're like there's got to be something he's been forced to say that he's made it up oh there's a conspiracy within a conspiracy do you believe he's a bird truther you pro-makindo pro-makindo Okay, let's get into the flat Earth theory.

33:01Flat Earth is a 21st century resurgence of an archaic conspiracy theory claiming the Earth is flat, a stationary disk rather than a sphere. Other followers of the theory often believe in a dome-covered world, a central North Pole, and an outer ice wall, often rejecting established science regarding gravity and global navigation. Obviously, with your three HRs in science, you'd be able to tell us... I'm not Christopher Columbus. I've got an A star on GCSE level. I can tell you everything you need to know about photosynthesis or a cell mutation. But I don't know if the Earth's flat or round. What's your theory, being a top scientist, though?

33:44I'd say it was round. I'd say round. I think there's... You're with round. I'm going to go, what do you think? Well, you know, listen, the flat earthers frequently allege that images of a round Earth from space are fake, frequently citing conspiracy theories including NASA and New World Order or secret societies. They argue the sun and moon are small, close to the Earth and move above the surface. Whilst scientifically wrong, social media has fuelled its growth with a notable percentage of younger people, 18 to 24, expressing scepticism about around Earth. The horizon argument. Proponents believe the horizon looks flat and water appears level, which it does to be fair yeah to be fair when you look out on the horizon it is flat it's not round is it it just kind of goes off flatly into infinity the ice wall supporters often claim Antarctica is not a continent but an ice wall surrounding the flat plain so what they mean by that is where does the edge of the world stop it's a giant ice wall is what they're saying but I think this has been again very debunked by NASA they've ran experiments and tests to show that you can in fact go it's a globe you ever know I think it's pretty round I just think there's been far too much I don't know anything about the world being round or flat really I would say they would know that by now I don't think they landed on the moon all those years ago you don't think they did no I don't well that is coming up later so you can give us your I saw that like that documentary and it was like where the shadows are it was all kind of artificially lit because the shadows are at different positionings for each different shot.

35:30We had an astronaut at my golf club once and been into space. That was interesting. I think it was great. What did you say? I like how most things gravitate back to golf. I kind of love it. There's six degrees of golf. I love it. It's interesting you said gravitate as well. Oh, yeah. We discussed that. Gravity? Gravity, yeah. What did you talk about? Why is he saying it's obviously floaty? but I think it's it's very much I think it's very much round if I'm being totally honest I mean I just think we've got so much evidence you know when I'm watching Attenborough I believe everything Attenborough says I'm sick of that imagine if it come out that Attenborough was just me and everything yeah well on his show he has a circular but because of AI now the whole world could be alive that's a new conspiracy there you go we've created one the whole world is a lie but you don't you don't need anything do you because you don't need movie stars because ai can do it you don't need models because ai can do it you know everything can be ai'd now so bloody attenborough could be out of a job well that's an interesting talking point because there is now an ai actress that's doing really well she's really popular online and there's an ai band you can put in anything now online I think Robbie Williams was in an interview and he said someone put all my like database into a thing spat out a song better than I could do it in my style so kind of where does that lead us going forward it's quite topical right now yeah I agree yeah well I don't have a laptop so it doesn't bother me I found out the other day when she was actually reading one of the ads that we do on the pod that it's called a laptop she had it on her lap went oh my god it's a laptop I saw that it was very cute well I've never had a laptop I've never needed one I've never had an iPad why now so would I need one of those you don't I haven't even ever had headphones really no have you found life better not being tethered to technology or has it gone in the way well no I just have one of Pete's

37:44we share There it was. We share our earpods, don't we? We do, yeah. It's nice. All right, do you think the moon landing's a hoax? Before I get into it, do you think... I think the original one was, yeah. I think there's legs in this one. In this one? Are we talking about just the very first moon landing, right? That one? Yeah, I just think it's so long ago. And why aren't we there, like, all the time now, if it was that long ago? Why aren't we going on holiday to the moon? Yeah, like, it's not really moved on since then, is it? Yeah, no. We're still just landing on there. And did you see the bloody rocket as well?

38:16Like it was made out of bloody tinfoil, it looked like a school project. Yeah. Do you think that there's like a, you know, there was a real battle between probably, I don't know, the Russians. It was the space race, wasn't it? Yeah. You'd have loved it. They played golf on the moon, supposedly. You'd have had a cracking game like that. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if they did. Didn't Lady Gaga go to the moon? Or Katy Perry or someone? Katy Perry went to the moon, yeah. Did she really? She did. Up in the rocket and back down again, yeah, with Elon Musk. Listen, conspiracy theories claim that some or all of the elements of the Apollo program and the associated moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA, possibly the aid of other organisations.

38:55The most notable claim of these conspiracy theories is that six crew landings, 69 to 72, were faked and that 12 Apollo astronauts did not actually land on the moon. Since the mid-70s, various groups and individuals was a claim that NASA and others knowingly misled the public into believing the landings. Others believed the moon landing videos were filmed by famous film director Stanley Kubrick in the studio. I've heard that one, yeah. Opinion polls. It does look quite studio lit to me. Yeah. You've seen a documentary about it, do you say? Okay. 20 % of Americans, 25 % of Britons and 28 % of Russians surveyed belief that the crew landings were fake.

39:40I think it was that's just how I got feeling I think I just don't understand how they they've got there in those times like if you think about the cars even in those days they weren't actually that great were they yeah yeah yeah they still have most of those cars in Cuba don't they they're kind of old retro yeah like I don't know you talk about Cuba like five times I'm really obsessed with Cuba I've never been never been I'm gonna have to go it was like the stray dogs it looks like a straight dog and take yeah they've got them in Cuba as well it's the same thing they've got cars in Cuba I'm obsessed these dressed Cubans oh my god I'm going to have to get to Cuba what's his name Scarface yeah is that in Cuba Tony Montana that's it Tony Montana

40:33that's the interesting thing about conspiracy theories they're neither right or wrong more often than not they're probably wrong let's be honest what do you think about chemtrails there was something in the news about that the other day about the chemtrails because it came up on my Google alert things it's a strange one that isn't it every time you see that thing it's not a thing from the plane then well it is though isn't it it comes out of a plane but not all planes have them some have and some don't yeah and some stay in the sky longer than others for a while surely that's just due to the day wind you know some days are cloudy some there's a blue sky they could linger longer if it's like a cloudless sky there's a plane I can hear it now you might be able to hear it on the audio yeah and there's a chemtrail behind it is there?

41:24yeah where are you looking? but you know if you like close your eyes and imagine that's a boat in the ocean I do that a lot I do that all the time I do that a lot what do you mean? pretend it's a boat in the sea Or psyche upside down. And if it's a completely blue sky, it looks like a boat going through the water. A boat going through the sea. Really? Yeah. Oh, I'll do that. I'll have to do that. It's a really good game. You should do it. You should do it in Cuba. It's a cracker. We love that. You guys. You guys. Let's go to the Agri-Aps. Let's go to the Agri-Aps. The Clan's Pete and Gaz. I just want to say your pod makes me feel like I'm at home when I'm feeling homesick.

42:08So thank you for cheering me up every day and keep me feeling at ease. I'm a third year old woman. I live on an island in the Caribbean and I've been here for six months. I had a career in the UK, which I loved, but I left it behind to become a stay at home fiance so he could achieve his goals. I can't help feeling like I've lost myself. I used to abseil from buildings and have loads of hobbies, a big social network. Now I just cook, clean and nag my other half and ask him for money. it seems to be ruining the relationship and i don't want it to because i love him so much i've come up with a plan which means i would work in the uk for three months and come back for three months and repeat however this means i leave my fiance it's a holiday destination where it's full of hot american influence influences but i can't help but think he might be unfaithful while i'm gone but i have no choice i wasn't born to be a housewife i was born to be a pocket rocket how do I keep the spark alive love the pod you are living legends thanks the board anonymous stay at home fiance wow she's bored stiff that's a hard one but why can't you just get a job there in the caribbean that's a really good question actually that's a good point I am a for me long distance relationships would just not work it just does not work if it wouldn't for me yeah no I think it's very difficult isn't it um yeah I don't know can't she get a job there if she's going to be away for three months it's like that's a bit much isn't it three months is a long time yeah god yeah that couldn't work you guys couldn't you could never do that could you you can't be apart you can't do three days yeah three days well I can't you can no you can't do three hours no but I'm I think I'm a needy person aren't I you are you can't you can't if I didn't need you though oh yeah I like you needing me I mean it's cute maybe that's needy

43:59stop being so needy I need you to need me I think I think she should just that's going to be a recipe for disaster in my opinion I agree I agree I think she needs to just get a job there or get a hobby or volunteer at the animal shelter yeah that's nice yeah there you go she could you know she could do loads of activities if she doesn't have to work if she's talking about abseiling there let's go and abseil get into that again yeah that's true find some hobbies go for it find yourself again start up your own abseiling club yeah that's a great show you know get people in make a great group of friends there on the island you know become a yoga instructor and do like yoga on wakeboards not wakeboard paddleboards on the sea in the Caribbean that's great that's great advice open a little ticky bar and cocktails on the beach superb yeah great go for it do that sound agreed Benji says hi guys obsessed with the pod I'm begging you to release a mug with Avi's iconic line that's hysterical on it because I would buy it over do I say that?

45:07you do say that you do say that do I? yeah that could be your catchphrase right on to my dilemma so every single cousin in my family who's 18 plus got invited on a night out except me lovely for context I'm the only male cousin but I'm literally a girl's girl like Abby would 100 % vouch for me. My sisters and even my auntie was saying how horrible it was. The look on my auntie's face and everything. But here's the thing. My sister still went even though they were saying how out of order it was. I went out with my own friends in the same area. We literally shared a taxi and they're in the car piping up like this is so bad yet still attending the event.

45:48Make it make sense. Anyway, a few hours later my sister messaged me telling me to come join them. Not the cousins who didn't invite me, by the way, just my sister. And I'm sorry, but at that point, I felt like an afterthought, like, oh, now I can come. I just felt completely frozen out and I would never do that to them. Basically, I'm the group's honorary gay best friend, for fuck's sake. So I said, I'd just get a taxi home and suddenly I'm the problem. My sisters are messaging me saying I'm overreacting and it's not that deep. I'm sorry if it's the other way around would it not be that deep so please tell me if I'm being dramatic or is it actually weird that I was the only one not invited because why would I want to go somewhere clearly I was invited in the first place so every girly day I have my gay best friend Alfie comes he's one of the girls do you know what I mean so well he prefers to be with girls he does yeah and we wouldn't have a girly day out without a girly night without Alf.

46:55So I think him being hurt is well and truly justified. A hundred percent. You know, the cousins are probably just the utter girl thing, but, you know, the gays love being with the girls. What's the bloody big deal? And I think he did the right thing. Yeah, he's not an afterthought and he needs to tell his sister he's not out of reacting and it's hurtful. It is hurtful when you don't get invited to things. Yeah, I can imagine, yeah. A hundred percent. Particularly family things. You'd never do that, would you? What? Never happened to you. It has. It has. It causes. It says. It's when you find out that something's gone down, you haven't been invited, and they're supposed to be your friends or family, even worse.

47:37It is a bit like... Yeah, that's no good. I've had it from friends and family, where I haven't been invited, and it's like, fucking hell. I still go.

47:47No party without me. Exactly. party without you babe party without me a party without me okay James says what would be the best thing to say it's been four weeks now since my girlfriend and I have been in no contact she's very stubborn I don't want to go to hers and knock on or push her away by bugging her I know she misses me her name is Abby and mine is James she lives in Manchester and I'm in Liverpool we met at the gym and then it's been a whirlwind I know I met my person we both have hectic lives and we made it work as much as we could I am renovating my house up for the two of us for the future but in recent months we kept arguing about silly things, not spending time together other commitments, work life and we both just were stuck and then we had a talk from then on we just went to no contact now we're both not talking I want to reach out and I don't want to push her away she knows if she reaches out I will be here to talk I know she watches every podcast episode so I hope she will love that I've gone to ask you for help I'm stuck at what to do oh have you had this in the past that people written in with similar kind of dilemmas in the past on this show yeah we get some real ones we get some funny ones yeah we get some heartbreaking ones yeah I think unfortunately obviously we don't know these people personally and for me four weeks no contact especially after months of arguing it's a bit of a god you know it's not a good start is it?

49:30not a good start I know what you're saying I think it's a good thing that he's kept a distance I think he's kept a distance but I think now might be the time to reach out do you think? yeah because it's killing him obviously the thing is it's so hard if one person is more in love than the other yeah it doesn't work sometimes you're just gonna have to get over it and move on because i i think are you really gonna be that stubborn for no contact for four weeks that feels to me like you know i think you because you don't want to be in that limbo of not knowing i would reach out and say like where where do we stand now and then if she kind of You'd be the one ignoring me for four weeks.

50:17You're so stubborn. If she pies you again, just be like, okay. And just go about your life. And sometimes you become more attractive that way as well. Sometimes. Always cracking on and, you know, may get a hot new girlfriend and then she'll be like, you don't want to. Hold on a minute. Like Shallow Howl. Oh, yeah. What a film. Shallow Howl. You know Shallow Howl, but not the mummy. What's going on here? hello howls not in the same league it's fucking the mummy the mummy's just not on my radar I love your taste in all sorts yeah you hated elf we spoke about that the other week it's good elf's funny no I said I hate Will Ferrell oh okay right fair enough I think that's harsh but he is elf he is literally he is elf I don't like him he goes into creeps I don't know why I just don't like him at all I don't think he's that funny I don't think he's funny no I think maybe Back to this poor guy who's clearly heartbroken.

51:17James, yeah. Reach out, I think. And then if not, you've got to go your own way. I think he needs to just sit and write. He needs to write some pointers down and go back. Why were they arguing? Was she picking the fights? Do you think that's her trying to call it off? Because she might know that he's way into hair and she's not. So she could have been causing arguments. But this is me being a bit of a conspiracy theorist as well. She could just be going. It's on brand for this episode. You know, she could just be going. No, you know, I've had enough. I'm going to show you. I'm staced up in four weeks.

51:53So he needs to write down everything he wants to say. Say it calmly. Maybe write her a letter. Put it in a big long text. Or just reach out and go and see her. And say, look, is there a chance or am I wasting my time? Because I'll move on. The girl, you know, does listen to this podcast as well. I hope she doesn't just go, grow up. After this big long text. imagine yeah that sounds like it might hurt him so if you are listening please don't do that to him because he he just wants a little chat it was the best ever that was big long massive text message someone wrote a big text message to him and he said what should I respond and we just got his phone and wrote grow up

52:36yeah so well I hope they do work it out yeah I hope they do work it out it's giving notebook vibes he's getting the house ready for her she's off in a strop and then hopefully she'll wake up and realise that she still loves them and they'll get back together and live happily ever after that's the outcome we want and they should keep in touch and let us know I keep hearing birds now I'm just thinking they're like drones they're not they're spying on it they're really not on that note but hopefully they're not because there's freaking loads of drones around here at the moment look at these drones there was a dead one in the bloody kitchen there was a dead drone a dead drone cat pawling dog dog alright guys listen we'll see you next time see you next time

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