‘He Sent My Dad a Letter’: Steph McGovern’s Real-Life Stalker Nightmare

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2:15Steph McGovern: Steph McGovern how are you and they started taking photos of me and I'm like oh my god They know who I am already and I haven't been on, but they thought I was Lady Gaga. Because she was going in at Disney. Lady Gaga. So I'll do my tax returns on Christmas Day. Sick. I didn't think it was. Everyone at Black & Decker's going, I'm listening in from me big break. My next one's going to think I'm so romantic.

2:47Hello and welcome to The Therapy Crouch with me, Abbey Cleansing. Me, Peter Crouch, and we have a beautiful guest here. Oh, thanks. Where is she? Steph McGovern, how are you? I'm all right, thank you. I know, Ross with his big ball, I apologise. I know, we were just saying we've got quite an eyeful here. I know, exactly. Ross is packed land. Ross is packed land. They are some shorts. Tasty ladies. Oh, what a great. It's been a bit weird looking at my cousin's balls. I know, because they are really directly in your eye line as well. That's a soundbite, isn't it? he's kind of social that's it so we started with packed lunch Steph like that's what you've done

3:26Steph McGovern: with that now yes yeah I did that for like nearly four years started in lockdown so it was you know quite a crazy time wasn't it where suddenly you know we didn't know what was going to happen in the world I just had a baby she was only a couple of months old and we're meant to be launching the show I'd left the BBC I'd been at the BBC for like years and years and years and then we're meant to relaunching the show and then because of lockdown we ended up doing it for my house so it actually started a bit like this it started in my house which was really weird because it was like being on big brother because obviously no one was allowed near me so they just set up cameras around like the living room kitchen area and then every day i'd just sit and talk to myself and and then sometimes like you there would be no because the line would go down or whatever you couldn't get guests and i'd just be like oh well there's uh maureen putting out her bins outside

4:18Steph McGovern: so yeah so it started there then we went the studio in leeds and then it kind of just grew and grew and yeah but yeah now it's gone sad times but it's a shame like it was amazing success like at the time though and like you must have been staple yeah you must have loved doing it and the people you met and i loved it because it felt like i was hanging out with my mates yeah you know first of all the food that was cooked for me was amazing like having simon room and people like that there and then like people like denise van out and coming in and chatting about what's going on in the world and we had an audience as well which felt like it was just you know a good laugh with your mates and getting loads of different perspectives on what was going on in the world which was just fun we love denise she's one of our good pals yeah she's great fabulous no one realizes how filthy she is in real life as well i don't mean hygienically

5:07Steph McGovern: no but she's really funny her but you must have had one of her voice notes oh yeah all the time yeah she was at your birthday she was a good laugh there yeah she was funny you only find that like sometimes when you probably go to a break or something like that like the carnage kind of like off-camera stuff you want to keep it on yeah the funniest stuff often happens in the break like because that's when you really say what you want to say you should bring it back but after dark i know well i me holly oaks me yeah exactly me and russell cain you know comedian russell cain and denise were talking about this we were like we should do it after hours yes of it but then the commissioner at channel four was like it'd just be you lot swearing yeah we did the therapy crouch after hours not long ago and the edit on that was um but it wasn't really after hours it was just Peter and Abby pissed it was after a few drinks basically we were looser than normal it was pretty loose anyway we'd been to watch Pete in this paddle tournament so I had nothing to do but drink champagne all day and then we had to do the pod when we got home bladded and was it any good?

6:20yeah

6:23Steph McGovern: do you know what You all looked at each other then like, I'm not really sure what was it? Yeah, yeah. I can't remember any of it. I actually don't think I looked at it and I can't remember it. I wasn't as bad as you because I was actually playing paddle as well. So like you just got absolutely bladded. Yeah, but you'd have probably been, got drunker easily after you've played paddle. Maybe exercising. And then catching up. Yeah, maybe. It's not always a good thing. But yeah, so you started it, you grew up in Middlesbrough, right? Yes. And we were discussing just before we started, obviously you do the Rest is Money podcast.

6:54podcast and like but your background is very different so you're like an engineer is that

6:58Steph McGovern: correct yeah so i grew up in middlesbrough and it's a place where um obviously there's it's always at the the bottom end of any kind of league tables apart from cheap heroin apparently it's always like getting slagged off and you know it was it's a tough area but it's a place where i don't think i'd be where i am today if i didn't grow up there because i learned a lot about like resilience and and the school that I went to was like this experiment school where it was sponsored by industry so our school was sponsored by British American Tobacco so it was like a cigarette company that was and they put all this money into really good resources so even though like the kids who went there a lot of them were from quite tough homes and things we had this just great experience of school where we we didn't have assemblies where you go and went and sat in a hall we had like a college news so we did a tv news every week wow you know obviously i wangled my way in there i presented um so we did all that and so it just gave you like a different perspective on life like it made us think about the world of work rather than just thinking about exams and stuff because a lot of especially you know the kids i grew up with a lot of them wouldn't have had like the structure at home to do well in exams because of everything going on in their life so it was just good from that point of view so the big thing was because of the area where i grew up It was very heavy industry and all that.

8:20Steph McGovern: So I just thought that's the industry to go in and make money is like going to engineering. And so, yeah, and I ended up working for Black & Decker in Durham. Didn't you save them like 150 grand or something? Didn't you change them? Yeah. One stat. But you know what? Every time I mention this, because it was to do with the things that blow leaves in your garden, you know, and everyone hates me. I've got one of them. Everyone hates me. I've got the soil out. Do you know, my jet washers are working. can you help me fix it i'm not even joking yeah it's lost it's lost lost the pressure oh yeah no i could have and i don't know why can we have a quick look at that after you haven't got anywhere to be i actually thought that when when when i was reading the black and dark thing i was like my freaking jet wash isn't working yeah i can get you on that i could yeah i spend quite a lot of time testing out uh pressure washers oh i love them there's a sense of achievement when you've cleaned something with a pressure she loves a pressure washer loves it don't you do the other On a patio?

9:18Yeah. I love it. I do all the window frames and everything. I'm so sad. Yeah. I'm so sad. I am, but I love it. I totally hate you. I love a pressure washer. And a ride on the other one. So where did you get into TV and things like that? Yeah, so you go from Black & Decker to, you know. It's lunchtime to television. I know. How does that work?

9:37Steph McGovern: So it's because. Everyone at Black & Decker's going, I'm listening in from my big break. Totally. yeah no so it was because I won a competition when I was there um I wouldn't it sounds ridiculous now but I won this young engineer for Britain title and um so I then started being interviewed by the medias and I and it was when like the BBC had money more than they do now and they paid me to get the train down from Borough to London to go to television centre and I was like 19 and I got there and I was like I want to work here this is class because it was I'd watched live and kicking coming from there and children in need and I was like I want to work here so I basically just stalk the people that I met there I just used to be like can I can I do anything can I carry your bag can I answer the phones can I do whatever and that and that's how I got in I just went in I used to answer the phones on a radio show all about money and I'd obviously been dead interested in all the business stuff anyway so that's how I ended up doing business journalism because I'm just dead fascinated about who's making money how why where does it go and so then that just sparked my love of like doing business news and explaining all the stuff going on in the world god and so what was your first role at the bbc so first after answering the phones then i just i kind of just worked my way up from the bottom really you know so i was a producer behind the scenes for a long long time so I used to um do like the the 10 o 'clock news or the main bulletins as as a producer so it'd be my job to like help the reporter put their piece together and interview people and decide what we're doing and all that and then one day I was walking down the corridor with the lad I was producing at the time who who was who I do the podcast with now the rest is Robert Preston yeah so I was walking down the corridor with him and then the uh the boss of business news on the radio was walking past and he said have you ever done live radio before Steph and I was like no no uh uh and then and then like got a nudge off Robert and I was like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah totally I've done loads and he went great I need someone to go on to Chris Evans's show this afternoon on radio too and do the business news because the lass who did it Foxy Rebecca Pike she was uh ill or something and he went can you go and do it and I was like oh, I've literally never done anything like this in my life.

12:01Steph McGovern: But it was the day that U2 were performing, not U2, obviously. I can't remember that. They were performing on his show on the roof of the building. Oh, I love U2. That's our favourite band. Our wedding song was Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own. Oh my God, you're going to love this then. So I turn up at the studios and it's from Broadcasting House, which is another building. You'll know, not Television Centre, it's one in the in the center near Oxford Circus and I got there and the streets were full of people because everyone was waiting for you two to come out and um I was walking in and there was all the paparazzi and it was a sunny day and I had sunglasses on and they started taking photos of me and I'm like oh my god they know who I am already and I haven't been on but they thought I was Lady Gaga because she was going in at Disney but I did have proper crazy I suppose it is quite right now but I anyway so I went in and I was I was proper nervous but I was thinking I've just got to you know do it so I went in and the producer said to me right um you know just do the business news quick get on with it but we haven't got time we you know it's all about you too um so I was like fine fine so I got in the lift and went up to the sixth floor where it where the show comes from got out of the lift and there is Bono I love him I love him well I walked out the lift right and I thought i don't know how to approach bono because at that point i'd never really met many you just got a bow i reckon yeah well i went to shake his hand and obviously and i was like hello mr bono like an absolute twat and then and then obviously he didn't respond with a handshake so i put my hand over me.

13:43Steph McGovern: Oh no. Cringe. High five. He grabbed hold of me, right? And he gave me this big hug. Oh, lovely. Yeah, he gave me this big hug, but it was at the same point as Chris Evans had come out of the studio. And you're like, fuck off, Chris.

14:01He thinks of Lady Gaga.

14:04Steph McGovern: He didn't think you were Gaga as well. I suppose he could have done, actually. Now I can't think of it, I'm deaf. but um so i was he was still holding us and chris came out and i'm thinking get off us bono and and then chris is like hello you all right and i'm like oh hi yeah yeah but obviously i'd never met crispy's before because i was it was like a last minute filling so then i went into the studio and there was a song playing and i sat down and chris goes to me what are you doing and i said oh i'm uh i'm doing a story about mobile phone insurance and he was like oh and the song finished and he faded up the microphone and he said well we've got this northern girl here to do the business news and i thought she was bono's bit on the side and i was like that is do you know that instant relaxed me because i just thought he's fabulous chris though isn't he i love him as well yeah and we had a laugh and i and it made me better on air because it made me laugh so much so did that become a regular thing then after that Yeah, so then I used to do that show quite a lot.

15:06Steph McGovern: Whenever Rebecca couldn't do it, I'd go in and do it. And I loved it because I was going from doing all like the super serious stuff on the news, like all the credit crunch and, you know, talking about all that and behind the scenes to then going on air and doing crazy things like trying dog food spray with Chris or like, you know, doing the FTSE 100 in the voice of the Godfather. Like it was just a proper laugh. and that's made me love being on air then Do you know what was so good about the Brexit situation or bits and pieces like that we have no idea about it so when people are asking about it we'd have a running gag Brexit, don't get me started That's an easy way out Don't even get me started I can't do it again We've been discussing it all night we're not doing it we're not even going to go there and if I went you're right let's change the subject that is a genius we're doing it unreal I do that to most topics don't get me started yeah anything I'm going to try that yeah don't even get me started on that yeah and if we've been discussing it all night yeah yeah didn't realise people have caught on the face so much I haven't got a clue about anything you do that's not true you do that's not true we just have we just have a laugh This is what I don't like about how people think about business use and current affairs.

16:31Steph McGovern: You do because you're a shrewd businesswoman. You wouldn't be as successful as you are if you didn't. It's just that society likes to... I just use Pete's money instead of my own. That's my strategy. You've done your own stuff. That's my strategy. What's yours is mine and what's mine is my own. Even then not blowing all of his money, that's it. We're getting there. I'm joking, I'm joking. We've learnt a few things along the way. Yeah, but it's really interesting to talk to someone, like we were just having a quick chat in the kitchen there before, but it's really interesting to talk to someone who genuinely understands this.

17:04And, you know, do you get kind of caught up in it or do you want to just, because obviously you can tell that you like a good laugh as well, but the stuff you discussed certainly on your podcast is, you know, it's serious stuff.

17:15Steph McGovern: Yeah, it is. And it's, but I am really obsessed with helping people understand what's going on because actually, you know, if you - You don't get taught it, do you? No, you don't. And that does my nutting. Yeah. Like, how can we leave school and not know what things like mortgages are? But we know the square root of Pythagoras. I've said this out for a long, long time. There's a place, don't get me wrong, if you were really into pure mathematics, go for your life, do what you want. But I'd love it if we just had kids leave school and they understood what interest rates are and why they change and what, like, you know, if you're buying stuff on, buy now, pay later, how it works.

17:53I made that mistake as a teenager. open one of them store cards. And everyone does,

17:59Steph McGovern: but that's how they all make their money by you not knowing at the time because no one's ever taught you. I forged it as well. I think I was about 14. Kate Clancy. Kate Clancy. It does feel weird that you come out of school and you don't get the mortgages. What's benefit for us not to? Because if we knew, we'd be like, F you guys. Mortgages, overdrafts, bank accounts, loans, buying a car, buying a house. You're not supposed to know, that's the point. Because all these companies wouldn't be able to run because they're taking everyone's money because everyone's naive and don't know about it. It's terrible.

18:33Yeah, it is. That's my big beef about it. Well, after you've fixed the back of deck, you can educate us on it.

18:41Steph McGovern: So I've got the pressure washer. We tax returns. Exactly. Got a few things we need to run through. Oh my God, tax returns though. I interviewed this mathematician once though. He was like super big professor in maths and he'd cocked up his tax return that year and he was saying like, that's how complicated it is. You can be a hard core maths person and still not know. It is really hard. And so you've written a book, right? I have, yeah. Obviously, I haven't read the actual book. I've read the synopsis and stuff. I'm like, this feels like mega. You didn't say that to me when I brought my book out.

19:14Your book's incredible. Which one? Remember my name. Abby Clancy, remember my name. It's still in all of age. You will be getting a signed copy when you leave, Steph, don't worry. We've got fucking five likes of them.

19:30She actually wrote her own. Yeah, yeah, amazing. But listen, it sounds like there's going to be twists and turns. It sounds like it could be a TV show.

19:39Steph McGovern: Yeah, well, I hope so. So, I mean, the synopsis is it's a reporter live on air in the middle of an interview, like one of the most important interviews in her career. There's millions of people watching at home. And then when she's doing the interview, she's told in her earpiece, because you'll know this from doing live telly stuff, you have like an earpiece in and it's people telling you like what's going on and all that. So while she's live on air, someone says in her earpiece, I've kidnapped your child and your wife and you have to do everything I say in order to keep them safe. So it's like, it's the whole point of the book is just why is the hijacked happened and who's done it and what are they trying to get out of this interview?

20:18Steph McGovern: like why are they making this reporter ask this person specific questions and then everyone at home's watching it going what the hell's happened and so all happens over like 20 minutes of being on air and then it kind of takes you back five years so it's like is it about a stalker is it about terrorism is it about grooming is it about corruption and it's all of these different twists but it came from me sat on broadcast when I was on BBC Breakfast literally sitting there and saying to my crew like what would we do if we got hijacked what would you all do now and everyone had a different like opinion of what they do yeah so everyone was like you know like one lad would be like oh listen i've got kids i'd run and just leave you to it cheers lad thanks for that mate lovely and then another one of the cameramen was like no and he'd been in the army and stuff and he was like i'll be with you i'd take them down and i just thought it's interesting like how everyone would react and also did you watch um what's that show with jennifer aniston and reese with the morning show something like that happened on that yeah well it is it's so like i think people think that when you're doing the news it's dead secure and there'll be loads of people with you to stop anyone like approaching you and they're not it's like you'll have done it from football matches or whatever anyone can just run up and yeah like i don't know well a scouser broke into the queen's bedroom didn't he yeah yeah of course he was so my dad my dad loves that story why does he love it just because it was a scouser yeah

22:03Steph McGovern: okay so it's deadline it's called right it's called deadline yeah and um i mean it's it there's a lot of like my life in there so like the stalker stuff is based is that i was gonna say didn't you is that a hit experience yeah yeah yeah so i did i had a stalker when i was on breakfast telly because i think there's this really interesting thing where people think when you're on the telly some people like a minority that you're talking specifically to them and that they've got a relationship with you and so it's great in lots of ways because you want i feel about the cast of Nashville when I watch it.

22:38Yeah, so you'll feel like you know them. Exactly. And Grey's Anatomy. Yeah. But I think that's what a good broadcaster does, right? We're told, when I work on TNT, that they said they want you to, people to feel that you're talking individually to them. And I think if you're good at your job, that's what you do.

22:53Steph McGovern: Yeah. And in the majority of cases, that's totally fine. Because people know that in real life, if you saw like, you know, the Nashville lot, you wouldn't, you know, follow them out. Maybe I would. Yeah. But in a few cases, there'll be people who genuinely think that they are in a relationship with you. Then you might maybe, I made the mistake in this particular case of replying to a message sent on Twitter. So this was like 10 years ago. So it was before Instagram and everything, but it was Twitter when Twitter was massive. And I replied a couple of times to messages he'd sent. So then he started turning up at places.

23:28Steph McGovern: And because I'd said where I was sometimes, like I'd be like, oh, tomorrow I'm going to be live here in a pig farm, blah, blah, blah. oh my god then he'd turn up and he but then he'd start saying things to me like oh can i give you a lift home again i've got your favorite snacks and i'd be like you've never given me a lift home before and how do you know what we're saying then you're like you just so it was a it's actually not funny did it get i mean how bad did it get well it got to the point and this is kind of like that gave me the one of the ideas in the book was it it did get to a point where this man thought that um thought that we were in a relationship and he found out my mom and dad's address and then he sent a letter to my dad just saying oh like like it wasn't a nasty letter it was a really nice letter but it was him totally being a fantasist thinking that we're in a relationship so he was kind of saying to my dad oh i want to marry your daughter blah blah blah so my dad rings me and he's like yeah who's this fella who sent us this letter and I think I was like what what you on about and then I realized it was this guy and so then but but to be fair to the BBC like then the whole security stuff kicked in and yeah because obviously there'd been that horrendous murder of Jill Dando that had happened so then there was a security team that then spoke to him and blah blah blah and so it all got sorted in the end but it was just it was weird because you know but it couldn't that could end up in a really bad way.

24:57You don't want it going on too long and too far, do you? No. It was like getting, not sympathy off people, but I imagine sometimes people are like, oh, you've got a secret admirer or I wish someone had stuck, you know, someone fancies. It can be weird for maybe people to emphasise with that and it's like, actually, that's really messed up. Yeah.

25:13Steph McGovern: And also, like, he didn't ever do anything, like, nasty. He never threatened me. He never did anything like that. He just thought we were in a relationship. Yeah. So it was just total fantasies. At least he got a book out of it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's all material for the book. Who's the real one, isn't he? Yeah. Probably your royalties or something. Yeah. So I've seen it. Obviously, you self-confessed, like you're like spreadsheets organisation. That's why we're very similar to myself. Oh, sure. Spreadsheet? Love it. Absolutely love it. He doesn't even know what a spreadsheet is. No, it's just organising kids stuff, really.

25:49Holidays and, you know. I haven't got the time, so I just put it all on a spreadsheet. Piss off. Share a calendar. Share a calendar. Share a calendar. We have a shared calendar that's about as organised as we get, which he doesn't even look at. But you do? You like organisation?

26:04Steph McGovern: Yeah. So do I. No, I love a spreadsheet. Do you? And I do tragically like doing my taxes every quarter. You enjoy that? Because I don't know why I do yet. I know that's really sad. Sick. I don't think it's always... Never mind the stalker. I don't think that... Are we doing the cupboards, organising the cupboards? I think that's impressive. I think it's incredible. I think it's amazing but I just it's amazing that you can do it but the thought of enjoying it I know what I do sometimes I'll do my tax returns on Christmas day oh no stop it stop it I know you I'm bullshitting but there'll be a lull in the day and I'll be like do you know what I'm going to use this time now to get it done and I'll enjoy it I'll enjoy stapling my seats together you've got to be in yeah I've never kept a receipt have you not taken a photo of it not used one of those apps where they do it all for you no that's the next thing we're going to do I'm going to show you one of those apps afterwards where literally you can just take a photo of all your receipts and it puts it all in the right fold and everything for you and for doing your tax returns you're literally both like no no that's impressive I don't think Abby wants to see your receipts though I think it all becomes a bit of reality doesn't it it didn't happen shit she's definitely hiding a few from me I know that it's hard to blag that Peter's on Discord and she's kept the receipts it's hard right are you organised you know in every other aspect of your life like relationship wise like if you're booking a holiday like who's taking charge of that yeah so my partner she is the one who's brilliant at all the kind of like cooking and all that i'm terrible at me and i've been talking about this yeah like i have no joy from cooking i i couldn't if you gave me a cupboard full of things i'd be able to make nothing with it i just see an empty cupboard yeah i cannot do that i'm terrible at it i'm great at putting out the bins I'm terrible at cooking so and I don't want to do it I just I know you know people are like oh I love baking and no that's not me so I'm rubbish in that side but thankfully my partner's really good at cooking and she loves it like she'll properly go out of her way to follow recipes and get books and stuff so she's doing the Christmas dinner and you're doing the Christmas spreadsheets yes it's a vision of labour that is what happens yeah but that's a good that's a good combination I know it works perfectly You'll do dinner and the spreadsheets though.

28:23Huh? You'll do dinner and the spreadsheets. I'll have to do it. I do everything. You don't do that. What are you good at then? Not a lot. You're a great dad. No, I'm good at it. He's good at playing. I do spreadsheets, no. You'll do the Christmas dinner. Yeah. I'll do the Christmas dinner. Would you like cooking though? No. No? Not really. Because I used to really enjoy it when it was just me and Pete. and you know we'd come home from work and we'd open a bottle of wine and we'd mix it on lovely yeah that was nice so we'd kind of go together sit down shut up eat your dinner and they're like i don't want that i don't like this i did so it's not the most relaxing time at home yeah feeding time at the zoo we call it um it's just a bit hectic and i kind of just want to get it over with yeah i love food but you like eating it i love eating food yeah i know that's the thing

29:17Steph McGovern: isn't it? But you're right, with kids, it just gets way more complicated because you're not eating the same thing, are you? Yeah. Well, I used to, my brother used to live with us for a bit when he was a teenager and he was the best. I felt like I had a private chef living with us. And he loved doing it. He enjoyed it. It was phenomenal dinners. And he'd make really creative things from whatever was in the fridge. Amazing. I just told him. Yeah. Oh, sorry. No, no. I was just telling him. I thought I missed it or something. you gave a great example as well you said so what did you say if he had like an apple and a piece of ham and a pot of cream yeah he could make the best yeah yeah it's sort of weird isn't he amazing yeah he's good at that he's a top chef he's good at that are you good to cook Ross I'm quite a good cook I'm eating better eater to be fair I was just saying like all my friends all their fellas cook do all the cooking in my next life that will be on my list I've left that I forgot about that what find a man who does that yeah DIY and cooking yeah DIY cooking yeah more of an animal lover well I like animals I don't but you don't love them well what do you but if you're too similar that would be boring wouldn't it but you bring animals home and I look after them yeah that's so true I can't believe So you could actually say who loves them more on day to day.

30:44You love picking up dog shit. Dog shit, walking, feeding. Yeah, she does the old pet every now and then. I love animals so much.

30:54Steph McGovern: I can't believe you've had your cat for 20 years. Yeah. So you've got your cat when you first got together. So when Pete texts me, you may as well move in. Which is horrible. I didn't realise it was a romantic gesture. I just thought it was a transitional thing. it was very much like I hate that word do you have transitional? Well it was just very much like it made sense Logistic Yeah logistically Logical I mean All of those Yeah I just thought I didn't know it was a romantic thing I've never had anyone live with me before Is that what you texted? So I just texted Yeah you may as well move in Why didn't you go and get more stuff Maybe you should move in Maybe you should move in May as well But I didn't realise I should have done a grand gesture I know that now Well even a phone call My next one's going to think I'm so romantic

31:39But I am my mum would never let me have pets growing up and i thought now you know you must have had

31:46Steph McGovern: pets no to love them so much because you do jen you want a whole farm don't you yeah exactly i i just love them so i the there's a road in liverpool um county road or scotland road and back then you could buy cats and dogs and pet shop and i just went in there was two little kittens left and i was like please can have them they were like one of them sold i was like no i need to keep them together yeah so turned up with these two little well actually stopped off got my hair extensions done in a box i'll be near yeah and then um i turned up with them and that that was it we still got them but now they're incontinent with the thyroid issue and we all impressive that though.

32:37I know. Yeah, it is good. It's good. And they're good as well. They are, they're going strong really, aren't they? Apart from that thyroid issue in the consonants. Well, Maggie's got osteoporosis. Yeah, but I think they look pretty well. Did you get a box? On set of kidney failure. I did see one of them leap onto the kitchen side. That's Maggie. That's the one with all the, she's got first signs of kidney failure as well now. Oh, goodness. Oh, listen, that happens to us all. you also got something else in common dancing are you a trained Irish well trained is probably a stretch but like I did Irish dancing

33:13Steph McGovern: so I did it from being a kid because the girl over the road did it and I just went with her one week and I was like this is really fun and it was before Irish dancing was cool so it was before river dance or anything so you just looked a bit a bit weird doing it but I loved it I just liked the I don't know the crack it was like just good fun and you would because there weren't that many people doing it back then you would end up traveling a bit to go to competitions so i had friends in all over the northeast and i'm still friends with them now my irish dancing girls are still like my best mates yeah yeah and they all went off and did river dance and lord of the dance and everything oh wow yeah wow yeah i know and i'm so proud of them because they're like proper geordie lasses who've done good and all went off into shows with flatly and everything and traveled the world and now we're all back in newcastle is that your party trick punchy by the baby does that come out yeah i can see that yeah i'm seeing that it's absolutely get that river dancer as soon as any of us put bewitched on the c 'est la vie oh yeah when i did mass dancer and you were judging it and that's unbelievable and that's i did did you do that yeah and that was it yeah i remember yeah because i was dressed as a tomato yeah you came to watch who's the tomato i got my memory you know i can only remember the prawn who was the prawn again I was knocked out by Kimberly Walsh yeah that was right she was like a bag of washing oh yeah she was socks yeah oh sorry odd socks here she was odd socks I was going to call her a bag of washing I know yeah because there was the tree in the post box wasn't there yeah that was David Seaman yeah there was yeah I don't know where the prawn was I remember the prawn I don't think the prawn was Matt oh I don't know I remember some of my guesses were like Danny Dyer and Ray Winston and people like that yeah Danny Dyer will be on there soon I reckon yeah it wasn't well I think did you do that Did you love it?

35:03Steph McGovern: Yeah, I loved it because like, obviously you did Strictly and amazing on it. But I've got, I don't know if I could do Strictly ever because I'd just be, I don't know if I could do it as me. Do you know what I mean? And I love mass dancing because no one knew it was me. And therefore - You still get to dance. Yeah. Because I love dancing. I absolutely was a fit, but I just thought I don't, I'm quite competitive as well. And I thought I don't want to do Strictly and then be rubbish at it and feel self-conscious. yeah whereas because as soon as you have to dance on mass dancing without the mask on when you've been booted out i was terrible yeah i was just because suddenly i was like oh i'd like to do i love singing and i'd love to do like something like my singer but the thing that puts me off is we have to take it off and then do it without it i'd be like yes i feel like you i don't wouldn't want to do it as me get a few shandies down you'd be absolutely laughing you've seen you doing shallow at every party ever what's your go to song shallow yeah yeah and my my friend uh lucinda's bradley is yeah she gave off of me as bradley yeah because you just you wrote the tune and then you wrecked it i've got a new one now from the same soundtrack never love again i sent you the video or something yeah in that barbecue the other day you did you replied which one was You replied saying, oh, you're so shy.

36:23Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I did see that one. Did you think it was good? Yeah, I did think that was good. You are a good singer. No one's ever done with that. Can you sing as well as dance?

36:30Steph McGovern: No, I can't sing at all. I'm terrible. I do like to give it a go, but not ever publicly, you know. Yeah. I'd love to be able to sing, though. I think it's such a brilliant skill. It is. Yeah, I agree. I wish I could sing. No, no. Awful. You can. I'm awful, babe. Come on. You're not that bad. You got rid of me as Bradley Covey. You just ruined them so you kicked them off your karaoke team because he was that bad. Yeah. When I was growing up, my mates were all good singers and we used to go around a lot of karaoke's where you won money and clean up. Oh my God. So like one of my mates was, oh, she could do like Diana Ross and stuff.

37:01Steph McGovern: So we used to win like 30 quid and stuff. That's amazing. There's nothing better. I got my daughter an amp and a microphone and all that for her birthday. Lib. Which was for me really.

37:20we had my son jack's sixth birthday a couple of weeks ago some of the teachers kids are in his class so i had all like a few of the teachers around and we were free drinks and on the karaoke and jack was like pushing the kids out the way why is miss such and such singing in our house drunk

37:39Steph McGovern: I went to my daughter's first little show the other day. Oh, does she do dancing? Yeah, she does. She does like a little class. And it was so cute. Like, I didn't realise how emotional I was until every time I see it, just do anything. I just cry. Same. It's mad, isn't it? Yeah. Like, literally, she wasn't even that good. I know. She was totally out of time. They were doing Reach for the Stars. And every time everyone jumped, she did it a bit later. All eyes on it. Everyone will be watching it. We were the same in sports day today. We were crying out loud. Yeah, we were in sports day today as in pieces.

38:15Finished second at throwing. And I was like, oh my God, incredible.

38:19Steph McGovern: He's a superstar. He's a superstar. And where did you come in your race? Sorry, we're moving on now. Fourth everyone, he came off. Fourth in his dad's race. There's some quick dads out there, I'm telling you. Alex won. Have you met Alex? I don't think so. Yeah, Alex won. One of our best friends. I bet he's been training for months though 100 % You said he's good at all sports He's very good at sports Yeah, lots of sports He's good at better than you at golf as well You're alright as well, Pete, if you've heard Yeah, I've got certain sports in the locker Not running, it's not one of them Yeah, not knowing if you're based Hey guys, we're just going to take a quick break While you hear from our sponsors And remember, if you're liking what you're hearing Hit that follow button And if you can be bothered, leave us a review Because we love reading them Don't we think?

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41:11We're big advocates of it on this pod. Either that or we just take the piss out of them. Okay, hi Abby, Pete, Ross and Steph. Love the pod. So my husband is an avid Man United supporter along with my three children and now seems I'm a fan too. constantly screaming at the TV and we've spent date nights at Old Trafford which is totally fine we've been together for it sounds like it's not going to be it sounds like it's not going to be in a minute we've been together for almost 15 years in which time he's invited me to loads of away matches we're in Mallorca for the Europa League final he found tickets and a flight but didn't go for the night he has been invited to watch England abroad we also spoke about taking the kids again We didn't go.

41:57In fact, any night, day out or weekend away, he gets invited on without me or the kids. He doesn't go. But the problem is all of a sudden he's been invited to Manchester United versus Leeds Friendly, which sounds shit, in Sweden.

42:11Steph McGovern: Is that her saying that or you? This is what she's saying. He's booked flights, hotel and tickets so fast. It's as if he thinks Sweden's going to get wiped from the map any day. Anytime I mention it, he does a smug smile that I could slap off his face and says, all I'll be doing is sightseeing. He's told me before that he has a Swedish pen pal that he met on holiday. Am I being unreasonable thinking this is highly irritating or is he a twat? P.S. I've cut his passport up before and I'm not afraid to do it again. Oh, wow. This is toxic. Thoughts on that? He doesn't go anywhere without his family, apart from Sweden.

42:51Where he's got a pen pal. Where he's got a pen pal. and the Swedish chicks are hot aren't they and the fellas are they? yeah Swedes in general yeah they are

43:01Steph McGovern: why didn't she just go with him why didn't she just do surprise I'm coming just turn up and see what happens let's have a look at this pen pal of yours yeah yeah yeah it's a big pen there's a pen in your eye pal I think it's even more weird that she enjoys going to all these football matches I think she loves her I think she loves her fella. Family time. It's nice, isn't it? It's a nice thing to do. You should come with me sometime. No, you're all right, hon. Cheers. I like going to certain matches. No, you don't. What's he trying to hide there then, do you reckon? Yeah, it's just a bit odd that he never goes.

43:38And now with this one chip, he's two foot in. Yeah, he's a bit of a strange one.

43:42Steph McGovern: I mean, right from the beginning, it just screamed a fair, didn't it? Yeah. Felt a fairy. Felt a fairy. Yeah. But she, if she wants to find out she should just go out there and see shouldn't she she should just throw in air tagging his undies there you go what's it called foppy 360 daddy's landed in sweden do you have that um live 360 thing no what is it really good oh it's really good so basically you just see where everyone is so all your family so you connect the phone yeah it's really good so you've got like little profile like this right so we can see that we're all at home here set it up so I'm mummy and I'm daddy so it's like daddy has landed daddy has arrived it does sound like sinister daddy's left the house daddy's arrived home daddy's been the Swedish pen bar

44:36he's been the Swedish pen bar

44:39Steph McGovern: don't you ever want to like not be tracked though not because you're up to anything but I don't look at I don't look at it it's no it's for the kids it's for the kids really that does track me at the golf club sometimes what will you do no but we all do a little bit of oh yeah I set off half an hour ago it's just a traffic's bad yeah you don't want to be seen where you actually are not because you're doing anything no Pete just ignores me for nine hours that's you know that's my that's my weekly whine that Pete went to the golf club at nine and got AM and got back at 9pm and just ignored me 36 holes was it Pete but I could see he was just I could see he was just like sitting on the terrace in the golf club for nine hours drinking I don't see what's wrong with that there's nothing wrong with that I feel like I don't want to get involved yeah thanks a good nap anyway there's nothing wrong with it to be fair I've actually got a weekly shine I know we've done this in the wrong order we do a weekly wine where yeah gets something off our chest weekly shine is a nice thing so Pete played golf again and he called me literally every 40 minutes and then came home and didn't bring the whole golf club back to our house.

45:53It was borderline stalkery though. He called me too much. Can't win, can you? But I thought, but the weekend was so nice because it's, you know, I'm playing on a Friday and then I'm not only not speaking to him because he's like ignored me all night. Yeah, the weekend goes, I'll play golf, have a few drinks. We don't speak Friday night or Saturday and then we can't do a family thing on Sunday. That's our weekend. That's the perfect dynamic. Yeah, but this weekend was fabulous. We got up Saturday morning, booked on a cup of tea, babe, because we loved each other so much just because of that simple phone call.

46:26Well, yeah, what I've realised is after probably 20 years of being together is that as you just check in every now and then and ask your partner how they're feeling, how their day is.

46:35Steph McGovern: Even if you don't care what the answer is. Yeah, it really goes a long way. Yeah, it does. And I've realised that now. But I think it happens in all relationships because I've been like that with my partner. I've been away quite a bit and I realised we were basically barely speaking to each other and then when I came home we had a massive row and then started speaking to each other loads again and we're like oh actually we do really love each other so I think it's just that's just relationships yeah it's relationships it's the same with the kids when you spend too much as much as I love the kids it's very much kids activities all the time and then we go away together on our own and we go I remember you yeah you were great we're making it up like we hate each other you were great you were great So what about you?

47:19Have you got any weekly wines? Anything you want to get off your chest?

47:22Steph McGovern: My current wine is bad manners. It's really driving me nuts. You know, if you like hold a door up for someone and then they don't say thank you. I now always scream after them. Thank you! Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're welcome. I did it this morning. I dropped my little girl off at school and then I was walking down the road and this woman nearly ran me over on her bike. So I stood back to let her pass. She didn't say thank you. She didn't say anything. Mad. I nearly chased after her and pushed her off. But I find that with... But I wouldn't have done that, obviously. I find that with... Do you know, even when, like, little kids coming over, they go, give us your autograph.

47:55And I'm like, excuse me, where's your manners? Yeah, please and thank you. It's a huge thing for me, manners. I was on a train the other day, and, you know, really busy train, and someone got on, and he was holding a little girl, and this little girl was crying her eyes out. Daddy, I want to sit down, right? And I was thinking, I was, like, basically the other end of the carriage. I'm like not one person right and the man he's been shopping all day he's got a pram he's got a baby that's going I want to sit down and I had to get up and walk the whole length of the carriage and go mate there's a seat there because everyone

48:31Steph McGovern: heads down there was a woman also standing up and went like she shouted it well done you know what I mean like all these and a lot of teenage boys sitting down everyone like sitting down I couldn't believe it I thought that that's ridiculous I hate that I broke my arm at the beginning of the year, slipped on the ice outside my house. It's on the ring doorbell. It's very funny. It was very painful. And I sat the top of my arm. Get that on you've been framed. 250. 250. They can't still be paying that, are they? Are they really? Because I got one recently. I got this 250 pound payment and I was like, what's that for?

49:06Steph McGovern: And it was for something off telly where it had gone wrong and they used it. No way. I can't believe that's still going. but um my arm i broke my arm and then i had to go and i was in like this brace thing so i totally snapped the top of my arm and on the train similar thing i got on and i could barely like you know move without it hurting and not one person got up and let me and i sat on the floor and i was going to newcastle from london wow sat on the floor right in the middle of the carriage as well fuck you i know but everyone just put their head down yes don't look at it don't look at it and I've got a new one as well like I've used it recently you know when you know if you make a mistake where you're driving yeah or you're in the wrong lane and you go to get out and you can see people in their own car go yeah yeah shouting at you and just like shut up didn't you think someone was shouting at you once or something and you pulled up next to them and they were like did your lights wear on or something like that it kept beeping me and beeping me and then I pulled the lights and I was like what's your fucking problem and you're like oh sorry love your hazards are on and I was like oh god And I'm so sorry.

50:11I'm so sorry. That's a shocker.

50:15Steph McGovern: Easily done. Isn't it mad how enraged you get though when you're driving and someone does something to annoy you? Yeah. Like yesterday I was going down the road and stopped at red lights, but the lights in front of me were green, but the ones just slightly further in front were red and I couldn't work out if it was a red light or not. The man behind me was absolutely raging, held his horn down and then pulled out up next to me. and then we had this blazing row through the windows and I thought, why am I rowing with him? I know. Like, where is that feral animal come from that's now telling him he's going to die of a heart attack?

50:48Steph McGovern: Yeah, exactly. So true, that is not... Yeah. Why is it? Anyway. That's several wines. Several wines. Which is what we should be drinking. Exactly. All right, let's move on. Hi, Agniab, please. I've been with my boyfriend for four years. It's a whirlwind romance and after falling head over heels, he moved it, moved into my first home with me after three months dating. We've lived together ever since and in the last 18 months, he has bought and renovated as a home. We've designed the entire thing together. This was going to be our home. After a huge row over nothing, he decided to move into the new place on his own for some space.

51:33We still see each other regularly and don't row at all with the space, but I hate it. I don't want to be a part-time partner. I know I need to give him an ultimatum of I move in or we're done, but he's kind of stubborn enough to push away from an ultimatum, even if it's not what he really wants. What should I do? Thank you. Was it really a row over nothing? Sounds pretty big to say you kicked out the house. Or has he created a row and gone, this is my guy. He's got here to design the house for him because he's got no taste and then he's got a belted house and then just jipped it off. Well, you know, yeah, you've got to think of all aspects of it.

52:12True, 4D chess.

52:13Steph McGovern: Yeah, I think you're not going to solve it by an ultimatum. I think nothing's solved like that. No. Because if you just put someone under pressure and they just say yes to make the piece and they don't really want to do it. Yeah, or no, and then it's all over. I just think ultimatums are not a good thing. No. The fact, did she say that he just went out and bought it? yeah it's his house does he it's his house he's bought for them so to me this sounds like he's been using her yeah for somewhere to live while he does this house up get her tips for the interior that's that's that's nasty that and then he's got the house and gone fuck this thanks for the shag pad see you later oh no well that's a that's a that's not a nice way of looking at it but that's definitely the way it sounds really 100 % that's very cynical of us I think so therefore she should do the ultimatum I've completely gone U-turn because then she just needs to find out, doesn't she?

53:08Or just turn, just when he comes home from work, just be in there. What are you going to do now?

53:12Steph McGovern: I mean, that's a bit creepy. The slow moving. I don't know. That is a tricky one. Yeah. Yeah, it has to be an ultimatum, doesn't it? It's like, look, I feel like we built this together and you've kicked me out. But did they build it together or was that just, because if he bought it and they've only been together four years, that's not that long is it? I think that is long. You'd be born to 18 months ago. They've lived together for 18 months and like you don't go from living together to buying a new house that they're not living together. Oh I see what you mean yeah. 18 months, you're right. He's been using it while he does the pad up to not paying rent or whatever.

53:51Why do I call it a pad by the way? What? Why do I keep calling it a pad? I think they said pad. Pad. I think I've ever said the word pad. I haven't said it three times.

54:02I'd get rid of him I think an ultimatum is definitely yeah you've got to say look we were living together and now we're not what's going on

54:10Steph McGovern: yeah that's a good way of putting it actually hi Agony Ab I've been with my boyfriend for a few years now we live together and it's all great he has a daughter from a previous relationship who I've never met and his reasoning for this is that he's terrified the ex-girlfriend would stop and see in the child as she's admitted that she would I'm not a secret we've just not met I want desperately to meet her so that his life is easier more than anything and so I feel like that I'm part of his whole life I feel like his ex has a hold over him I know there's no feelings there but with a child obviously she'll always be around and I'm just beyond jealous of her any advice Anon it's so tricky with kids because you can see it from both points of view can't you because that'd be really mean though of the mam to not let him see her his own kid again just because he's got a new girlfriend like that feels harsh i think i'd do that but you could invent a reason couldn't you spiteful yeah yeah vindictive spiteful yeah i'm brun nasty yeah but it's not you would not do that because you know why because you i wouldn't want anything to affect the kids.

55:22That is actually... I think there's petty rows with kind of couples who split up because there's no crime against, you know, people falling out of love or a relationship breaking down. But I think you need to be grown-ups for the sake of the kids. Yeah, you totally do.

55:38Steph McGovern: It really winds me up when people weaponise kids. Absolutely. It's just not fair. No. In the long run, you don't achieve anything by it, do you? And the kid will know once they get older and my mum will let me see. Yeah. Because she could have a nice relationship with the new girlfriend as well yeah yeah and they could all get on yeah let's all move on people split up let's get that commune have you told everyone your idea about this commune yeah I tell them all the time that I just want to build a no one's really boring isn't it really no one wants to live with me just me I'll just end up like bloody Bridget Bordeaux with a million animals Mish Havisham Mish Havisham yeah I think she just needs to meet with the mum and bash her out there privately before she Oh, that's a good idea.

56:21Steph McGovern: As in, she should, independent of him, go and see. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Just say, look, we need to crack on with this for the sake of the kid. Yeah, that's a good joke. Yeah, definitely, right. Okay, Steph, before you go, there's just something we're doing now that Ross has created. That was a big sell. Yeah. Ross came up with it till we didn't. It's quite awkward asking people what the bong beat is, though. Favourite bong beat? It's favourite tune. What's favourite song? you know like yeah favorite because you're listening to it having a shit it's a bit of a shagging song you said bog beat no no but well that's a good one as well that's a good show that's a new one that is totally awkward asking someone that so what's their favorite well yeah that was that we discussed it and we didn't have one we didn't have one if you put music on and come just kind shimmy over to me I'd be physically ill that's an ick for me yeah 100 % yeah so I'm I agree I am not partaking in this bit yeah yeah yeah but what give us a song then that you like favourite song oh I love all music like I'm but I suppose my ultimate go to for like not for shagging but like it would be C 'est La Vie it would be something like that because it's just walking over like that yeah yeah you won say we'll do what I don't say the truth it is a tune there some people say I look like my dad I still know I still know some people say I look like my dad double denim holiday read holiday read would be my own book yeah plug plug so when is it out deadline so it's out now woohoo yay I can't believe you didn't even bring me a signed copy for my holiday I know Oh, well, I'll sort that out afterwards.

58:17Steph McGovern: Once I've sorted your pressure washer and your spreadsheets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your texture turns. Your texture turns. And then I'll sort the book out. You know, yeah. But no, I love reading. So I've got, I could literally do about 20 recommendations for your books I've read recently. That's good for the books. I read a great one the other day, Verity. Have you read that? Oh, I haven't read that. Is it good? It's quite kinky. Is it? Yeah. I like that. I like that. The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo is a really good one, if you like. I haven't read that. Really good. Yeah, it's about this like film star who, when she retires, she does this, she never does interviews and she does this one big interview and she goes through all of her husbands and why she married them and everything else.

58:55That's like that Elizabeth Taylor documentary. Have you seen that? Really good. That's phenomenal. Yeah. So there we are. Interesting. Okay. Recommendations. Ab's favourite quote is, if it's not, what is it? If it's not a hell yeah, it's a no. If it's not a hell yeah, it's a no.

59:09Steph McGovern: I stole that from Margot Robbie. Okay. If it's not a hell yeah, it's a no. yeah that's a good one have you got a quote that you live by erm work hard and be nice like that's a really good one I've literally got that on a post I like that have you yeah I know that's a bit tragic but it's a famous Anthony Burrow post work hard be nice yeah it's so simple but so effective live your life by that yeah absolutely that's all you need you don't need to do anything else what's yours actually erm man in the morning oh god man in the evening is a man in the morning Man in the morning stallion at night No I would go by something like that Like I think You know And also like If you're successful at things You don't have to be a knob Yeah Quite often people that do well Then Yeah Become dickheads I know You don't have to be Oh yeah I will You really don't Yeah Ross your balls You need to get them away honestly kind of the fact I've got big balls can I Christ almighty apologies okay have you got a favourite film The Godfather part 2 Belt Out 2 that's a Belt Out that is the best Godfather as well I come here on the day of my daughter's funeral you know I've never seen The Godfather haven't you not it's so good I've never seen it I love gangster stuff you watched they're making what's the series oh yeah that was fabulous I can't remember what it was called that was brilliant have you seen that The making of The Godfather?

1:00:42It's basically like a... Dramatisation of The Making of... Yeah, dramatisation. But you know the true story of the actual mob got involved in the making of The Godfather just to make sure they were portrayed. It was called... I know the name of what that's called. It's HBO1, isn't it? It's on Paramount. Right, I'm going to sit with my tongue. It's the guy from War Dog. You know that actor from War Dog? No. He's a good actor. It's a really good... It's a big... It's really good.

1:01:09Steph McGovern: It's called... I'm not rubbish at remembering actors. Have you watched Mobland? Yes. So good, isn't it? Yeah. That was good. Tom Hardy's good in it, isn't he? Tom Hardy's amazing, isn't it? Peaky Blinders as well. He's good in that, isn't he? Yeah, he is, yeah. I love a gangster. So do I. Yeah, that was brilliant anyway. Yeah, The Offer, it's called. I haven't seen that. It's very good. It's amazing, yeah. It's very good. The making of The Godfather. You should watch that. Very good. That one I'm watching last night, I stayed up till 1am. What was it? It's called We Are Liars or something, or Little Liars.

1:01:40oh yeah little little lies big little lies no we were liars i think it's called it's a new one

1:01:47Steph McGovern: is that a thriller a drama yeah i think that's based on a book actually yeah it is it is yes it is from a book though oh brilliant it's really good that's what i mean that loads of brilliant series now are coming from books out there yeah are you hoping for yours yeah totally that was like the biggest drop ever so if there's anyone listening who works for netflix or paramount or after tv or any of the it's got all the drama it's like it's got all the ingredients can i be in it who can i be what character could i play you could play the one that's basically me if you like them please gaga i thought i was going to gaga can i be the snore car I can be really weird I can be seriously weird

1:02:36you are weird to please Steph you know what obviously you come across as always lovely whenever I watch everything but you're expecting me to be a bitch

1:02:49Steph McGovern: we talked it was all fake you know what it's like you've been great really pleasure having you on good luck with the book thank you yeah hopefully we see it on what Netflix or something yeah we will and the sequel and the sequel yeah I'm writing the second book now so you never know is that going to be connected to it well there's going to be a couple of the same characters but the storylines are totally different okay yeah so it's not about being on telly it's going to be when do you have time to write the book do you know it's my like escapism that's what I do to chill out because I've got one of those brains where I'm constantly working and wanting and thinking, what can I do next?

1:03:27Steph McGovern: What can I do next? So that's how our relaxers go off into this world and murder people, fictionally. It's your Christmas Day come now after the spreadsheets.

1:03:39Steph McGovern: Yeah, exactly right, exactly. All right, well, you know, that black and deco won't do it itself, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, come on then. We better crack on. Thanks, Deb, thank you.

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