“I Nearly Quit Music” – Miles Kane on Arctic Monkeys, Paul Weller & The Dark Side of Fame

0:00I give you a little reach around every now and then. Clip that one up. Basically, I was living at me mum's and... How's that going?

0:13And what was the quote you said? Duke of Edinburgh.

0:19Hello and welcome to the Therapy Crouch with me, Abby Clancy. Me, Peter Crouch. We're just jumping straight into it. Snooze you lose. Yeah. And me, Ross. Are we okay? Yeah, we're all good, mate. We're all good. Yeah? Yeah. Bit of a funny one last night. Go on. Ab was trying to do homework. My weekly wine is the sheer amount of homework that our kids get sent. Yeah. That I can't do, basically. And it's just, you know, I don't know if any other parents feel like this, but, you know, the kids, you know, we leave the house at like half seven, quarter to eight every morning. The kids get picked up at nearly 4pm.

1:013.45 then they'll have if they haven't got a club so football athletics gymnastics more football tennis so by the time they get home have dinner bath then you've got to do the homework before bed it's a 12 hour day really isn't it 7.7 yeah and they're babies like it's absolutely ridiculous and the fucking homework yeah it's insane but Ab said Ab shouted like she was like why can't I do this so obviously I had to step in I came over I came over and read what the homework was. So let me explain what that's a reason. I realised why. Because it was verbal reasoning. Something she's incapable of. It's got the word reasoning in it.

1:43Leave it to me. Give it to the reasonable one. But it was ridiculous. I can't do all of those problem solveny. You can't do them because you're too impatient. It was like two words and you had to take a letter out of one word and put it into the next word to make two words. so it was like pound yeah so what was that one so that went into pond yeah you take one of the letters out and the other one and two of the others and make a three letter word okay it was I can't explain it now yeah but at the time it's just problem solving anyone could do it but they need to focus and take their time with it and that other one something that Abby finds very difficult and I've realised that my daughter is actually taking after you which one she was getting so angry Liberty she's so angry about I don't get it I'm like I'll just relax just calm down and work through it it's all they're just trying to trick you we can work this out and I've realised that reasoning is not something that you're very good at it's not maths and percentages she's not interested but she did get 10 eight stars that's why I was so flabbergasted we're all yet to see these that's why I was so flabbergasted that she couldn't do this just google how many just google me just google how many stars That'll be Clancy again.

2:59Literally. Just Google what did Abby Clancy get in her GCSEs. You said it in interviews. You lied in interviews. I haven't lied. I haven't lied. As if I'm going to lie about that. If anyone, if anyone was Abigail Clancy's teacher back in school, St. Julie's, I believe the school was, please get in touch with your knowledge of Abby's 10A stars. Well, I used to just copy of Kayleigh anyway. Kayleigh Bannon. How do I know that name? How do I know that name? I love that. Kayleigh Bannon. That is mad. Yeah. Give me a name of some of your school friends and see if I can get a surname. It's Kayleigh Bannon.

3:44Holly. Mealy. Yeah. Nice. Charlotte. Peacock.

3:52Do you full name everyone as well? Do you do that? Yeah, I do that. And you said I don't listen. you didn't even know well you know Holly obviously but like Kayleigh Bannon I've never met her I've never met her in my life how old? 4, 15 or something? she'll be buzzing off that if she's listening 15 I left school so that was kind of like a joint Mickey Ryan was that? are we kind of double teaming on that one? yeah I think so it was a bit you know it made me laugh when I came over though because I didn't know what the home life was I just came over and I just what is it? I just verbal reasoning if I can tell my sense an absolute I know about you.

4:28Have we got any audience whilst Pete? We have actually. Ross, thanks for asking. Okay, I just want to tell you about a time I recently used to grow up. Perfect. I told you to grow up the other day, didn't I? Yeah, I think I've had a few grow ups recently. A genuine one, a genuine one. Like a genuine grow up, Pete.

4:51Peter Pan. You've run to your kids doing homework together. Grow up. Grow up, will you? I misjudged a space where you could pull in and there was a parked car on my side of the road I was sticking out a bit and the car coming the other way decided to excessively beep at me God I can't stand a beep So I laughed and told him to grow up he pulled up beside me window down looked me in the eyes and just laughed in my face and did the wanker signal bearing in mind it was about 10am on a Saturday with my 11 year old car and he was a 70 year old man. So I laughed back and we chuckled each other for a minute and drove off in our separate ways.

5:30Good times. That sounds quite friendly. That happened to me. I actually beeped someone the other day. Did you? This effing cyclist was, it was two lanes and she was driving down the middle. Yeah. The middle line. I hate that. So I couldn't go in either lane. Yeah. So I beeped her and then she moved over and then I went around and she went, you fucking dickhead. so I thought fucking dickhead so I just I went I just drove like crawl next to her so Sloan put my window on and said what did you just say she said dickhead and then peddled dead fast I remember saying there was a family member who remained nameless right an elderly lady in my family right not an elderly lady as she thought but when she went across the zebra crossing a fun fella went hurry up you old bag

6:26she's absolutely mortified she's not an old lady no no old lady at all I'm mortified old bag imagine getting old bagged off you go from getting wolf whistle like a year earlier to getting old bag hurry up you old bag that is terrible I people just say something cutting yeah I was I was getting my nails done the other day I went to the shop forgot to tell you this and this guy you know you know that kebab shop on the corner is the railing some guy you know there's always like bikers that go outside that like cyclists so I let him go so he jumped over the railing and I was flicked over oh no right in front of you right in front of me he tried to style it out like do the old jumper and I was on my own and like had no one to discuss it with so funny did he look back because I think in those situations just continue to look forward He was severely injured as well.

7:24Severely injured. I think he got full winded. But he literally did a back flip over the rail and went to like do that little jump and just his leg got caught. He just went. Was he in the gear as well, the lycra? Yeah, lycra. Well, that makes it so much better. There is definitely an issue between motorists and cyclists, isn't there? On a Sunday round here, it's insane. So you know those Duke of Edinburgh? I like this already. So, obviously, they were... Do you know that Duke of Edinburgh? Do you know what? Duke of Edinburgh? They go hiking and tenting, whatever it is. Tenting. And anyway... There's loads of teenagers like that.

8:04There's loads of teenagers, they all had the maps out and they were walking and I had wound a window down and I thought, she's going to say, you know, how you're getting on, boys, or something like that. Yeah. And what was the quote you said? Duke of Edinburgh wankers. Duke of Edinburgh wankers! I don't think it was that I think it was Bag Wankers Bag Wankers No Camping Wankers Was it Camping Wankers It was that That's fantastic So yeah I thought she was going to give him A little word of encouragement These you know 15, 60 year old lads Camping Wankers Burn the window off Funny Can you imagine I was camping son I'm sorry I swear I'd be glad To put me a Camping Wanker

8:49it's only a bit of fun it's all a bit of fun it's kind of building for them anyway that's all good it's all good fun okay Hale my partner are massive fans of the pod however I feel she's misunderstood a key feature of the shabba rather than taking advantage of the exposed but closed but clothed buttocks clothed or closed but clothed clothed say bending down to pick me up to pick up something or etc she's going for reach around shabbas when i say uh oh like underneath and when i'm coming in to say bye and give give me a kiss a traditional shabba isn't a high point of my day but eye contact while stood upright as she reaches around and pokes my arsehole feels demeaning

9:37can you please give a definition or clarify when shabbas are acceptable i'm concerned my kids will pick up on this and start dishing reach around Shabbos at school thanks to this backstrong or Sam yeah I love the fact that we are the the nation's voice it's as if we're UEFA or something stating the rules of the game reach around's not an option that is not it's supposed to be catching someone I give you a little reach around every now and then I know where clip that one up no I'm not like a shabber and I enjoy it every time if you give me a hug I'll sometimes shabber you yeah yeah like I think a hug it's always the whole thing about shabber it's the element of surprise so if we're in the you know clenched hugging scenario a shabber from behind works because you I can't see where your hand is whereas if I'm bending over from behind I think it's got to be a bent over or up the stairs for me as a shabber I think if I was necking my partner and then suddenly she just gives me that necking it's more like just a oh see you later like cuddle show up it's a nice little pie isn't it it's like oh see you later babe show up do you know that's quite a nice one I think I'll have to try it when I get in see how I get on give it a go let us know make sure you email in I'll write it to the pod yeah okay hi Ross Abs and Pete love the pod keep up the good work Ross do us a favour lad he's a scout have a word with your abs Scousers don't say dinner it's breakfast, dinner and tea end of and for all those weird southerners who say dinner why do they call school why do they call at school dinner ladies dinner ladies at dinner time put this to bed for me please it's definitely breakfast, dinner and tea isn't it I did grow up saying that but I don't say it anymore I know I've grew out of tea a little bit I would Tea's very normal No I would say What are we having for our tea What are we having for tea Yeah I would say actually And you do say that And you do say that I don't really Not anymore You say dinner now Yeah You've been down here For a long time Yeah And I would only say dinner Yeah I've never said tea in my life Haven't you Never Never Well it's a cup of tea And dinner Afternoon tea Yeah Yeah but that is still A cup of tea Good point It is an afternoon tea But I ain't aware of To me mums I would only say tea To be fair Do you say what we having For lunch Or what we having for dinner Dinner What we having for dinner for lunch yeah and then would you say lunch no I wouldn't say that no I'd say what we have for lunch I'd say breakfast lunch and tea I'd say breakfast lunch and dinner would you ever would you ever say supper no no that isn't it that's it for me anyone who says were you coming around for supper oh no no that's a posh thing that's a posh thing well it's incredibly posh I think a supper to me is like if you'd have like tea and toast before bed that's like a supper yeah that's yeah but you can't say the word supper still yeah no no no midnight snack's better yeah no but you can't say the word supper it's not acceptable in any capacity no I said to you babe would you like a little bit of supper

12:48supper on this can you imagine that I think you'd physically grow up I find you revolting little bit of light supper supper yeah so I mean I would always say dinner but I think it's definitely a northern thing saying tea my mum's side of the family and you know Maccasfield they always said tea but he has got a good point with the dinner ladies as well you would say dinner ladies wouldn't you for dinner time school dinners school dinners that's dinner dinner dinner yeah that's that makes that's true that is true but tea is a rogue word but when I ask the kids I'm like what do you have for your lunch in school yeah and you say pack lunch wouldn't you pack lunch pack dinner you'd say pack dinner so like the thing is the people who are eating the exact same period have a pack lunch or school dinners yeah can't remember alright moving on alright okay well let's get into the pod then shall we got a guest haven't we we've got our gorgeous Miles on we haven't seen him for ages yeah we used to knock about him I used to knock about him every day I've heard a lot of stories about your days with Miles they were the best times of our lives yeah because you know we were in North London we had a great crew of friends like our John was in the band we were going to gigs like every week yeah going to see Miles and we were walking down to Camden walking down to Camden and seeing a gig every other night yeah you know it was brilliant yeah it was just fabulous we'd go and see if Miles would play like I remember going to see him the Roundhouse the Arctic Monkeys yeah you know he was mates with them so we'd just have a beer he's best mate he's best mate Alex isn't he yeah that was a really really fun fun time love seeing all the live music he gives cool vibes to be fair yeah like a guy that you want to hang around with he's got the best wardrobe yeah like literally and I reckon all his clothes would fit me as well so yeah very infectious personality as well yeah he's bubbly yeah yeah he's good northern lads why should we get him on then let's go miles cain hello you too thank you for having us what a long time no shit isn't it you know pete and i were just discussing when we first met when was that it was it what show was it do you know what it was i think it was graham norton did a 24 hour charity talk show and do you know what Abby was on it but Abby obviously she goes into makeup and gets ready for a few hours and I basically sat in this chair in the green room and it was like I was Graham Norton because people were just coming in and out and like I was meeting all these amazing people and you were one of them go away yes that is why I'm here today you had a red suit on you know what I do remember it was like Stuart there everyone was loads loads of people that's what I'm saying I was sitting there Lily Allen and all these legends and I was a big Miles Kane fan thank you no huge fan and when you came in I was like this is it and we hit it off right and obviously your band yeah with Jay and Phil yeah we've had some good time and so that's going over what's about 20 years 15 years 15 odd years I didn't even have Sophia then and she was 15 in March yeah and you dared me to say the word whale I was on Lorraine the next day.

16:04I think we had no sleep. What? Yeah. Do you not remember this? My brain has been battered, so please let's reintroduce it. I was going on Lorraine Kelly or something the next day. And you said I had to say the word whale. As like, just as a weird in joke. Yeah, just get it. So I said on Lorraine, I said, oh yeah, I've had a whale of a time. Oh my. She's the best. Got it in, mate. You've got it in, mate. But yeah, that was the start of our friendship, which is. But then we obviously, you know, we lived in North London for a while round by you. We ended up going for a bit of dinner and stuff for a few lunches.

16:42I know, I remember them days, Belsides Park, wasn't it? They were such fun days. And we'd go, yeah, the Stagpub, Roslyn Arms. Wasn't it? We had a good little crew there. I miss those days. Yeah, there were some nights as well then. We used to come and see you play as well. Yeah. It was awesome. Yeah, you've been big supporters of me in them early days, isn't it? and it's always been you know the doors always open man do you know I was telling the lads one of the coolest things I've ever seen me and you went to watch the Arctic Monkeys in the roundhouse in Camden yeah I don't know if you remember this no we can't clearly I'm sitting here next to you go ahead and you go you go I just got to go and do something and I said yeah you said come with me yeah so then I remember walking down and we're at the side of the stage some fella just hands you the guitar and you walk on you didn't even tell me what you're going to do and then banged out and then banged out 505 stop this riff peter i need to get on with it he said i've just got i've just got on this riff that is my favorite and then hand the guitar and then we went back and had a beer i went wow that was fucking cool yeah they probably said yeah where should we go now wow that's great that man this is a this is a therapy session remembering all this stuff man it's amazing you forget don't you in life and the way tangents life takes you and stuff like that these moments it's nice to have a little reminisce to be fair it makes you feel warm you know what I mean and you're saying you've had 11 albums which is mad so this is my sixth solo album that's coming out 17th October Sunlight and Shadows and in total it's the 11th so it's like kind of like you know you started properly when you were 17 18 39 now so it's like a 20 year sort of stint of grafting away and it's you know it's ups it's downs but it's been it's it's magical and it's like it's the best job in the world and you know i i still fucking love it so much that you know it's like it's my drug almost i need it and i enjoy it and and uh and i think you know it's uh i hopefully you can just keep going for another 10 20 years yeah absolutely you're only 39 yeah well i mean how did it all start so in little flames it was uh it was made it was mainly matt and eva they were it was the eva was singer and matt they were like they were the little flames basically and two of my mates joined because they were putting a band together they were just like a duo and i basically just wedged my way in to play guitar and at that time they were signed by delta sonic which was a liverpool record label that had the coral and the zootons and you know remember that that was a bit of a scene at that time i love them boys um james and ian from the coral and my cousins so i remember i think we were watching the white stripes in the royal court in liverpool and our james and ian and alan wills was there from delta sonic and i remember at the start that i wasn't a good guitarist and he was like no they need a little flames need a really good guitarist and i was he's more of a rhythm guitarist about me yeah and i remember going over to him being like listen mate i will fucking absolutely nail it and i will be a good guitarist please i basically begged him to let me join this thing and you know And then I did actually, and then signed and, you know, you're getting 50 quid a week so you could start and stop doing any like part-time jobs you had.

20:17And we just would go in that practice room every day, you know, for a good sort of two, three years basically. And that's really where I learned my craft. You know, just go in there all day, every day. And I learned how to be a guitarist and learn how to write songs. and then I started and then once I started to write songs I was sort of singing a bit but I was so nervous to sing but in that band I would do BVs but I would That's back and vocals for any of you, doesn't it? Give it to these musicians in Yes Yes, baby and then like I would I was so shy that not it would come out but I liked the the stance yeah do you know what I mean I like the stance I like the microphone and you know some people be like yeah you should be like a singer you should be and then I was getting I was like yeah I want to be a front man now so again I just taught taught myself to sing basically and I was living at my mum's and how's that going?

21:27don't leave me like a dad come in here mum and that was it And I just had this little tape recorder, four-track recorder, and would record myself just, you know, singing. And it would sound terrible for ages, but that was the start, really. Wow. And then the three of us left to join the Rascals when my confidence was up to be a singer. And that was kind of really shouty and punky. but it was almost like this sort of release of uh this freedom of i don't know just having your own thing i think yeah at that stage and then you know then we and during the little flames that we met alex monkeys and all that stuff that was it yeah well they seen our video on mtv um because we had a couple of singles out before they they they was just starting up as well and uh the the original plan was we were doing a double headline tour wow right so we did that and it got button each night was going to rotate the first night though in sheffield we went on before them and then they went on and then i was like we can't go on after you know because it was it was like like the beatles i mean still is for them but uh so that's sweet quick uh quickly got to switch to be like we had just opening up for them because it's like you know we were like the velvet underground and a weird mad weird band so uh but that was how all that started really mate and our friendship and not long after that meeting all yous and all that and here we are you know what i mean and then probably al in them early days would give me confidence in me writing and to say to sing as well and then that's when we did that first puppets record so that was kind of all around that time of like 20, 21.

23:18And, you know, then it's just been, you know, up and down for 20 years, basically. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, you still speak to Alex and stuff? You still write, you don't write him with him? We're not, no, we're not doing music, but he's one of my best mates, mate. You know what I mean? So it's like, I love him, but we're not doing anything at the minute, no, mate. Tell me about Nashville. You've just been to Nashville. yeah so I made this new record there and uh we were me and James we were talking about this next album and uh in the midst of touring last year we were like oh it'd be great for me to go and do some work with Dan Airback who's because we're massive fans uh and I didn't think he would because you know he's highly thought of respected and I thought he'd be like nah fuck that kid off or whatever but he didn't in there as soon as I met him we just had this mag I was meant and I went to nashville on my own there's part of me prior to going even though this is something i really want and uh almost a dream come true there was part of me that was like i wish it'd cancel you know that thing you get in your head sometimes that which is kind of like there's a slight self-sabotage yeah yeah in us all that i do think that sometimes that does creep out but i remember as soon as i got there and you opened the door and i was just made to feel really warm and welcomed and uh and we hit it off straight away on a work basis and I remember after the first day he was like I'd love to produce this record and oh my god then he was like would you sign to me label and I was signed to my cousin's label the choral are on and all that but anyway because it was family they were like this is a great opportunity we're not gonna hold you back and stuff so it kind of it was one of those moments that probably not for a long time that you know when everything just free flows and I kind of wish everything was like that it was one of them moments where and the writing of it the whole thing of it the way I feel about you know with the touring for it is next year mainly but uh the way I feel about talking about these songs the way I feel singing them the process of making it it was just uh it's you know it's a beautiful thing to be honest and I think it's that's how I feel in my life as well I don't know if that's transcended into I think you can tell that into the music you look happy doesn't he you know what I mean there's like just a bit of a calmness maybe we found I think that comes with I think maybe it's just fucking getting old I don't know no I think when you when you actually hit 30 I was saying this the other day you get like a clarity you're 30 yeah and then I'm like I won't take any shit I don't want anyone who's not who doesn't love me and I don't love them in my life and I think that that intuition becomes a lot clearer and brighter doesn't it yeah sort of the old you get and i think that sort of going down that road of that feeling brings all this shit in life that i think is is a powerful thing and it's just getting rid of the fucking yeah do you know what i mean basically like like because there's so many of them mate and they're all fucking two-faced little twats like so i just no you know what i don't like is when they talk about people who aren't there and i was like no that it didn't even fucking happen yeah or you know what i'm saying anyway but and i just think getting in tune with that and not because sometimes you sort of bend and you can play along with those twats and at times and you're like and i'm just like i just i'm having none of it and i haven't been for a while and i think that I feel strong in that right here today, if that makes sense, you know what I mean?

27:03Well, I always see you, we've seen you loads of times live, but I always see you, like when you're kind of playing live, you just feel like the energy's insane, the crowd's amazing. Do you still get the same buzz performing live? You know what, mate? I do. I do. And it's like, and it's, I feel like I'm itching now even too, because it's sort of been a minute and I've been doing these little acoustic bits for, which is like a promotion, like incentive for people to buy the records and you go in the stores, but to get on there with the full band and the rocking thing is something. And to play these new songs, yeah, that energy is still there.

27:40Yeah. I think. Oh, I'm looking forward to seeing it. I can't wait. One of the ones you did recently, was it Transmit? We did Transmit. That was a little last minute job. Someone dropped out and we just went there and that was amazing. Is that Scotland? Yeah, it was like, it's like kind of what team are. Stars go green, isn't it? They're always a great crowd though in Scotland, aren't they? Yeah, you can't knock it, mate. So, yeah, that's it. And then tour, we're announcing in a couple of weeks. And have you seen that your fan base have followed you through all your different bands for these past 20 years?

28:11Yeah, you know, it's kind of touch wood, you know what I mean? It's kind of, we've, it goes, it's been a bit up and it's been a bit down. And I think now it's somewhere in the middle, perhaps, to be honest. But it feels, yeah, it's good. and I feel since the last album, there's definitely, there was a younger vibe coming. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Young kids, young girls, young lads. And when you do these signings that you're doing to promote the acoustic stuff, you know, some will come with the mums and dads and then you've got the older mod geezers or whatever. So there is this real sort of mix of, but that young gives a new energy and it gives a new life to the gig and the sort of, the scream isn't as, it's more like, you know what I mean?

28:53You know, like, it's kind of, it's a different thing. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's a kid. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's a bit that, but I'm all for it, mate. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's what Rick Astley was saying since he became a meme. Yeah. He's got all the kids. All the young ones. Like, Sophia knew all the words of my 14-year-old. I'm like, how do you know this song? She's like, we'll get with it. Yeah, that's great. Because he's had a great career, mate, hasn't he? And, you know, he's maintained. And if not, he's probably as big as ever, probably, playing his gigs that he's doing now.

29:22So that's, it's amazing. He said he's doing his biggest gig in his life. There you go. And if he's 60. 60. Hopefully I can do the O2 before 60.

29:35Do you know, I've got a great photo of you. I think it's me, you, Serge from Kasabian. It's Paul. You won't be able to remember. No, I'm just going to tell you. It's Paul Weller and Carl Barrett. Have you got this photo? I've got this photo, right? Can you say it? I've got it. I've got it on my phone still now. I'll show you it. Go ahead. I want to know what the haircut's on. Yeah, the haircut's on. I think you had a bit of a molly thing in it. Oh yeah, have I got the mod thing? Yeah, I think so. Good. But what I'll say, like, for me, obviously, musically, legends, right? But who's been kind of the biggest influence for you?

30:10Like, because I know Paul Weller was a big influence for you. Yeah, I was just going to say, before you said that, I would have said Weller, and we're super tight now as well. And I think, so she knows early days, I've loved him before I met him, but he definitely um gave me opportunity and called me out as a young artist I remember the reason I worked with him is he mentioned me in an interview they said who do you want to work with and he mentioned my name so you know he sort of had my back for a long time really and uh he's yeah he's he has been like a mentor and at times and I he said to me that thing when I was in hitting 30 about your 30s that you said and that always stuck with me yeah and also i think when i was younger you'd get jealous of younger artists that maybe would overtake you that were a bit like you and you'd be like oh fucking what you know and he was like nah don't rise above it you got your thing you know your little things like that and the thing with your 30s and he said little nuggets that you just stay with your 40s are better yeah and you know those little things they stick with you and I've been in the position where I've said that now to younger artists or mates people whatever you know what I mean it's like certain advice is real and does work definitely if that makes sense well how do you think about the the music industry at the minute like you know when I looked at you boys and the bands and kind of that indie music yeah there's not as much of that anymore is there and is there still a place for you know because i i think that myself i'm like and then i'm like am i just not looking hard enough yeah or is it just that on a more of a main not that we're mainstream on that sort of main you know like i think radios and stuff don't really play bands new that's what i mean but there's still a thirst for it but but it's like there's no i don't know are they going to stick them on the tv shows you know what i i mean we used to go and see a new band every week yeah i remember there was loads like all those this feeling gigs and there was just millions of bag yeah bands i know i i'm saying am i being so naive and not looking hard enough or is it just they are there and they're not getting this this opportunity i think it's probably a bit of both and it's probably is all there's the social media stuff and that stuff i think it's like people look at that first than to see what's out there do you know what i mean i don't even know anyone new now do you oh who do you like out there if you're not who do you listen to new bands i mean well i mean no what i'm my i've been loving she put a new album out joy crooks's new album was out last week i like uh my favorite band are uh i love the sleeper mods i don't know if you've heard that jason williams's lyrics are like unbelievable it's gnarly and it's like uh you know a bit like that fall thing where it's like quite a lot of lyrics punky you know i don't know but a lot of people a bit like a baxter jury does it in the most speaking way but jay the sleeper mods for me lyrically is uh it's kind of what all i'm listening to at the minute to be honest so you'd like them though yeah real deal gear proper you know what i mean i used to always ask you about like bands and stuff and you'd give me a few little tips.

33:32I'll check them out. Yeah, I'll probably, I'll send you a playlist of what's going on, but the Sleeper Mods is definitely one to get you pumped. But in Sunlight and Shadows, are you, what are we going to expect? What's happening in this album? Is it going to be Black Kesey? It's probably some of the guitar tones are because I was using his guitar. But it's, yeah, it's got that rock and roll thing. I think it's kind of an amalgamation of like, you know i love that rock and rolly thing i love a bit of the the western surf you know the morricone stuff the t-rex the beatles oasis you know what other greats can i mention you know what i mean stylistically musically i'm talking before it all kicks off and uh and i just think it's like uh it it it's it's got all those style of tunes that a bit puppetsy the ballady that that and that and it sort of shows where i'm at i think as a 39 year old man one making music and two in my life i think it tells that story to be honest okay it feels like a pretty good place to take a quick break and hear from our sponsors and remember if you're enjoying this top class Crouch content don't forget to share with your friends and family I've got to say Miles you've always been a stylish young man thank you I've been looking very sharp today do you remember when we both went out in the same red leather pants can you remember that yeah yeah that's not even a joke the worst thing is around that time we were going out as a free ball quite a lot and both of you had red strides yeah yeah yeah you slapped my ass me loving it as well oh peter don't stop it do it again yeah enviable clothes yeah no it's actually something that i've always loved you know what i mean it's like you know even from you know early days wearing a trackie you know what i mean and picking out you want that all black lacoste one i remember you know what i mean like there's a chicness to that yeah i think and i think that's kind of just in our blood really scousers you see Pete yeah what do you think about Pete's cardies I'm like in this the cardie vibe double flannel but with the suit pants I think I like that style like the suit pants with the little t-shirt and the vest it's like a t-shirt and like the leather jacket or the cardie it's a hint of a Steve McQueen yeah it's understated chic it is he calls himself Almaffi Coast chic Almaffi Coast chic there you go you know if you hadn't gone into music is there anything that you'd have done hairdresser I love getting my hair cut but or you know what like say like clothes like design clothes for myself like this is a tailored suit and stuff that I wear on stage and you know I've had some of those phases where you'd be in like a jumpsuit you know and it's like you're sort of combining your love of like Bruce Lee attire, WWE and you know boxing WWF then Panda yeah it's probably it's in the post and I just take inspiration from these things and you know so maybe it'd be something in that and designing clothes as well do you still work with that guy you used to make Ray Brown now he's in he moved to America now but he did a lot of my stuff that was around that time you know and it's just making those classic little bits with those subtle edges and stuff that is something I'm always interested in and just do it for myself.

37:16Or we did, I did a little thing with Fred Perry where we did four collections and I do actually really enjoy that design things or being like, I like the length of that sleeve or put it on a jacket with a collar, you know, stuff like that. It never, you know, your trousers have got to be a certain length, whatever I'm getting. You know what I mean? But Pete can't do that kind of ankle length. No, no. Because it looks like he's got ankle swingers on me. They're too short. Yeah, but... Because he's so tall. But not, you don't want it crumbled. at the bottom, you know what I mean? Like, I think you got the right...

37:47But I think there's something about that. Like, I was actually with Serge from Gersavian recently and he's very similar. Like, I think if you... Because you're writing, you're in kind of the arts, if you know what I mean. You've got to be creative. Good artists. He's like that as well, isn't he? Fashion, that kind. And I think you sort of... Some days you want to wear the suit. Some days you want the red leather pants on. You know what I mean? It's kind of like... I just go on that feeling because some days putting the red leather pants on, it doesn't feel right does it or you think alright chill out mate I can't fit in mine anymore yeah I definitely couldn't fit in mine so it but yeah because sometimes you feel like it looks too try hard so you just have to go in that mood of whatever you're in at the minute I just wear jobpers now every day that's all I do because I ride my horse what's the what's the tune that you love performing what's the one that really resonates with the fans I mean you're talking of Don't Forget You Are or probably I love her come closer though as well come closer is the one for me yeah you know what I mean it's come on makes me want to have it now actually yeah I'll go come closer yeah spell to that we've been in the mixer for that yeah and it's great that those like I still get that buzz of playing them tunes and like there's even more energy around them tunes now which I I embrace will you be putting them in your oh yeah yeah put the bangers in yeah be a fool not too good do them twice start with come closer then with it it's not a bad idea what's the banger on this album have you got one I think it's the song sunlight in the shadows yeah it's that's and I think dare I say it I think that'll be that's got that sing along riff thing it's kind of in the same world as we come closer so and I don't forget you are that I think that could be the set closer once this album's out I'm feeling and there's something in that at the minute people are picking up on it before it's released.

39:46And I think I've been doing it acoustic and sort of humming the riff, thinking they wouldn't, then they started singing it back before it's out. So I feel, probably won't be now because my radar's off, but it feels like that will be like the big one off this album. Do you get nervous before you drop an album? Are you looking at all like the critiques? Yeah, no, I'm trying not to. I mean, Shivani, I'll get sent the good ones if there is any, but I can't be arsed reading the bad ones you know what I mean because it's like I don't know what good is that going to do you you know what I mean that's the same as me yeah same you were reading one this morning no but if you because if I because we've got rhino skin all of us right you know what I mean we've had it all we've got to we've been sniped left right and centre you know what I mean we've got tough skin so it's used to that so I don't really want anything why sort of read something that's going to like you know put a fucking dent in that or whatever or try to make a dent in it I can't really be arsed so and it does even if you you can bat it off after a bit it kind of it will sit with you it does sit like if you get 10 million good ones yeah even if it's like for 5 minutes you feel like what was that fucking someone said it to you today didn't they yeah but it does get it'll make creeping later on what did you say it was one of the comments on this that the fucking old crowd she looks rough today

41:10you should have just said what what I'm Alfie Cochie you should have said fuck you and um do you know what though like the fact that I told you and I'm laughing about it now it shows you how bothered I was by it if I was bothered by it I would have got I had a little cry and then not mentioned it again I look great anyway yeah really overcompensating don't worry you do Peter you look fine thank you what is what does day-to-day miles k look like and i i know i've been around you a little bit but there's people out there i reckon that that probably think you walk down the street in you he does i know he does you see me in the big sainsbury's mate it ain't far off but that's it you are this is you right i mean i live and breathe it and i think that thing with the clothes or whatever yeah it's like or even if you've got the trackie on i'll have to have the full track you You know what I mean?

42:03It's just, yeah, whether I'm doing this or doing the gig or going to frigging Sainsbury's, it is, there's no difference really. What is a day-to-day, Miles, Ken, or what are you into now? Obviously you've got the little dog here. I'm just kind of on a bit of a chill I'm on at the minute, to be honest. I'm on a bit of a zen mode, you know what I mean? Off the booze and all that at the moment and stuff. And just kind of trying to be a bit healthier. I think we all are, aren't we? Yeah. we're in our oxygen tank and our LED bed and all of that now go ahead I'll have to have a go at that yeah I haven't had a go at that it's so good is it?

42:39so good you just feel like phenomenal do you feel like you've got to look after yourself more you know listen let's be honest back in the early days it was very much and it's one of them and I think don't get me wrong I love to have a go now and again and I just think it's like finding that when you've again it's listening to that listening to your body sometimes you just can't be oh I'm like I just want to come and do this today or go and do my gigs and feel fucking great. You know what I mean? And just be present and I don't want to linger in dustiness of some whatever. You know what I mean?

43:13So that's where I'm at with it all. And it is, it's just like, it just, you know, doing your exercise and the basic stuff does make you feel good. I was saying that to the doctor yesterday. I was like, I don't feel like I'm getting up like bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. It's like when I got my horse, came to me in a, this is a boring story, came to me in a really bad state now it's so healthy and it's like it's coat is like glass it's hair it's eyes are sparkling but your energy is probably like enhanced that I've got no do you feel it's the horse taking your va-va-booms no no it's because it's because it's getting trained every day yeah and it's eaten well and it's just like the picture of health do you know what I mean so I'm like but you think you don't feel like the horse no I don't feel like you just get that and you get her and you I feel like I feel like we're getting the therapy crouch here from Miles Kane.

44:04It's boss. Actually, a new coat might do the thing. Yeah, actually, can I have one? Yeah, I think it... Fred Leather. So, are you touring this new album? I'm touring this album, yeah. January to March, UK and Europe, and then hopefully Fezzies and all that. What date in January? It's my 40th. Is it? Yeah. When's the London gig? we'll find I'll text you we could do a little Miles Kane reunion yeah that'll get the go all the gang back together exactly so yeah hopefully next year should be quite full on films and gigs and stuff so that's it so Jan to March is the tour and then hopefully yeah see what comes after that that's UK and Europe okay Jan to March so we'll see I want to know more about Nashville what was it like there fabulous just amazing and again it's like you know it's on our list Nashville we're not being you'd love it oh honest to god and I was like I didn't know if I got an impression of it because because I went to work and I'm really happy with my work did I get a false impression of it but yeah I didn't I loved it and I think the people are there and well the the sort of circle of people I walked into made me feel so love and respected and you know just like how you want to be treated to be honest and that's how I I felt everywhere in Nashville, to be honest.

45:27So many, because Edwin's there. And there is so many amazing musicians and there's no, there's no, it's very free and open in that sense. There's no bitterness or jealousy. I'm sure there is, but not from what I saw. Everyone's kind of like, we're in this together and let's have a good time making some special. I want to go to a bar there and sing Shallow. Did you go out and see like the live music? Yeah, yeah, I did. Just random people just up there. Did all that, mate. And that's what I mean, from 11 in the morning, these bars have got these incredible musicians playing all day and all night.

46:04For real. And also the band that we used, that Dan put together for the album, was two of the lads from over here, but most of them were from Nashville and America and stuff. And that was, you know, these highly regarded musicians that I've been fans of for a long time as well. So to be right in the middle of that and to sort of have that all around you was one inspiring, made me raise my game. And, you know, just beautiful, really. You know what I mean? Like when you're on your own in a stranger's land, shall we say, I was made to feel, you know, gay, yeah. Part of the family. They're buzzing as much as I am and we're just having a great time doing it.

46:44I think that's Americans there as well, do you? They're like, they are welcoming and upbeat. yeah definitely yeah there's a lot of positivity from what I've been through with this right Miles can you help us with our our listeners always need our help they write in to us we call the Agony Abs and they they write in we've got to give them a little bit of advice so if you're happy to help us hi team I live in a terrace street with a small shared alley my neighbour keeps letting her dog do its business right outside my gate it's not my house and not picking it up no that's one thing I'm very good at I don't if I don't you know what I mean if I don't have the poo bags on me I'll go and get them I think it's disgusting when they don't pick it up every coat you've got you've got a freaking roll of poo bags I'm the same yeah yeah everywhere I left a polite note she ignored it then I left a less polite note she picked it up and posted it back through my letterbox I'm this close to leaving the evidence on her doorstep with a ribbon on it how do I solve this without starting a full scale I wonder what the note from the neighbour was that she posted oh did she write her own note back to her or did she just posted it back she just posted it back oh sorry I thought you meant posted the poo no no she wrote her a note and she just posted it back I wonder have they had a face to face confrontation to say listen sorry your dog keeps shitting outside my house do you know what I mean I guess it's only been in a note kind of a tricky one to navigate that with not just got to have it out with them I think so yeah I think she should scoop them up with a shovel put them in a bag and post them through a letterbox say sorry these are yours or the next time it's outside their house go and knock on the door and just say you know I've got to deal with this again now can this not happen again do you know what I mean it's like the most calm but then she may not be in so then the shit will be there just post the shit my nan used to like clean the alleyway with like a bucket hot water and all that like if the dog went outside she'd swill the alley well get her round to go get you down to go round

48:56alright let's move on give us more of this okay it's good it's good shit this yeah go on go ahead okay I've just survived my daughter's sixth birthday party and I'm genuinely genuinely traumatised we hired one of those soft play centres 20 screaming kids a bloke dressed as spider-man who smelled like like a hangover, and one mum who brought her own Prosecco. Half the kids cried when the cake came out because it wasn't bluey themed. And one little boy threw up in the ball pit. So what an absolute nightmare for the six. It's too extravagant for a six-year-old maybe. Is it bad that I'm considering telling my daughter she's only allowed quiet birthdays from now on?

49:35Nah. No. I don't think so. Do you? That just sounds stressful. It is. And the kids aren't even going to remember that anyway. No. Am I being brutal and calm? No, no. I think I'm being real. I think you're being real. I agree. I think patients, like, do you know what I mean? Ten, they remember, don't they? That's what I'm saying. I'm a long into wimpy. But for all that palaver, could you be asked? No. Yeah, do you agree? No, I agree with you. Sophia's first birthday, we had 50 adults and one child. Yeah. She was the other day. She used to having a belter. Yeah, well, that's fine. It's your thing.

50:05But I did get her a mini farm, didn't I? So I had, like, baby lambs to feed with bottles and, like, a Shetland. She was just playing with the whole thing. She's one year old. She didn't have any mates. That's the only person she ever spoke to. No. I'll be honest with you, some of the biggest nights out I've ever had in my life have been our kids' birthdays. Is that? Yeah. I couldn't have heard, because all your mates are coming. All our mates, come round. Go on, celebrate. Where's the baby? Oh, well done. See you later. Let's crack on. Yeah, kids' parties. They're every week for me. Every week now.

50:41But now, obviously, you know, they're all like they do their own thing now don't they they've got their hates now my son Jack's party he wanted a gold chain and a lizard for his birthday so I had to have like the party how old is he six what did he want a gold chain yeah he wears like a gold chain and mad stuff yeah he's cool he just wanted lizards and everyone to wear gold chains oh I like to say yeah he's cool he's out of five he's fab alright last one so my partner recently got an Amex card. When he signed up online, he also got me one for his business, which he did all the details for. When the card came through, everything seemed fine until a letter was delivered with my name on it.

51:23Turns out the idiot has only gone and put his ex's first name down as my middle name. Do you reckon that seems like a first world problem to me? No. Why doesn't she just say... I thought she was going to say it only had a five grand limit on it. She was going to kick... Exactly. So she's still using his card. Exactly. So if she's that arsed about the name, he surely can change it or just be like, fuck it. I've been with him five years. You should know my middle name. Furthermore, now that it's definitely not his bloody ex's name. Am I wrong for being completely pissed off by this? Yeah, I think she needs to grow up and go and punish him by going on a huge shopping spree.

52:02Use that card and say, listen, sister, do that again. And it's done. What she could say is it wasn't me anyway. It was Deborah.

52:14don't use your ex she went shopping and bought all that that's not my name yeah yeah yeah so true come on oh good boy listen mate good luck with the new album thank you so much it's gonna smash it it is gonna smash it and we can't wait to see you on stage again thank you so much yeah we'll definitely be coming mate so I appreciate you great to see you again appreciate you I love you love you Miles Kerr

52:42Thank you.