“I Thought I’d Go Out First”: Shona McGarty Opens Up About Anxiety, EastEnders Fame & Jungle Truths

0:00Do you feel like I've got no chin? no you say it she said it

0:07and I got them really well with H and would you it's a smear I've already asked to rub that in the kitchen wow we've had a little chat yeah cheers

0:23okay so Pete what do we need well we need people to subscribe because obviously we're making this top quality content and I do hate these little bits where everyone goes please subscribe we really need it but it just does make a difference so if you like it then please hit the button yeah like link and subscribe you can never say that it's great like link and subscribe that's staying in hello and welcome to the therapy crouch with me abby clancy with me peter crouch and our gorgeous ross hey guys how are we okay yeah really good really good we've got a guest on today from i'm a celeb yeah i'm quite nervous about this one actually because she's so bloody gorgeous and I know you's all going to fancy her in the room most definitely I definitely am I've had the crush on her since she was in EastEnders to be fair I'm a day one-er I'm a day one-er she is absolutely stunning and a great singer fabulous I was so shocked when I heard her voice well not the qualities that you possess beauty you yourself and you're a great singer so you fancier then?

1:28this is what I'm talking about I try and pay a compliment and it's like I'm in trouble but no one fancies me it drives me mad I don't know how I pay you compliments all the time and you say shut up I don't want to hear it from you all I hear is you go oh Abby ugh you should pay me compliments I pay you compliments all the time John Moss pay his friend yeah John Moss does his daily affirmations now yeah your mum he's an amnesty the other day my mum was in the changing rooms and came out giving like a little fashion show and this old lady said to john she was like is that your wife you must thank god every day that you managed to get someone so like beautiful and effervescent which i don't even think my mum is effervescent but whatever and then john was like no i don't and my mum went no he doesn't actually so now since he's got home he's been doing daily affirmations which i heard there's a bit of resistance to at the start but now he's coming with a cup of tea in the morning going i'd like to thank God that I managed to secure such an absolute blonde bombshell it's so effervescent oh my god what a lovely positive way to start the day yeah definitely yeah but I do give you compliments a lot you know but you don't your compliment is when I get out the shower and I'm in the mirror trying to get my makeup done in peace and you come over to me I pay you compliments a lot a hell of a lot but I just feel like you don't hear them I always pay you compliments it's a shame really I always pay you compliments don't you used to we've told you you've given up with that now well listen how is everyone's new year we're back in the swing of things now happy to be back new year new me yeah surely looks like it no I'm 40 in like a matter of days yeah so that's all I'm focusing on what are you going to look at like with your what is your new what do you want to go for next year I just want to be more present and I want to feel less manic I totally agree with that yeah I just want to you know last year especially towards the end of the year my hours felt like seconds weeks felt like hours do you know what I mean so I just want to find a way to just chill and by that I don't mean not work and do this and that still do everything else but with less franticness and less mania around it.

3:51I just want to be more zen. Yep. Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think, like you say, you're approaching into the 40s now. We have to do an episode on that. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, I think all this... Naughty 40s. There we go. Thank you. All this sorting and, you know, I've got so much to do and this and that and forgetting to live in the moment is like that. you'll be 50 and then you'll be like you'll be there before me sister yeah but I I feel like I I do live I do like I don't do as much of that as you do you know what I mean like I feel like you do need to slow down with that yeah I think you just feel more benefit for it I'd like to take up tennis okay because I'm the only one in my family who can't play that's something you and Sylvia could bond over as well yeah exactly but I think I can't even hit a ball so we can't even have a rally we can't even play baton ball so I would like to get some lessons but I don't think any of the coaches would want to teach me yeah because everyone I looked at Sophia three years ago yesterday on my phone phenomenal the difference if you think to yourself that's two and a half years for her to get where she is now to where she was two and a half years ago you can do that because I saw her and because I'm so hard on myself in my riding lessons and Anthony showed me a video of where I started basically on the lead like crying I'm scared get me down get me down yeah so now like when I'm going around the arena like my horse likes to skip the corners so we put these things in the way so I had to go around it and just go tight into the corner and I didn't I didn't know what I was like oh and he just jumped over the box and I was like oh my god and you're not expecting it no you can't because he's not a jumper yeah I think that's so much fun but he said you need to stop beating yourself up because you've come so far and just enjoy it so I want to yeah I just want to take me time a little bit more what about you yeah no I just think that that's so true like you you don't you forgot to remember how far you've come as well as where you want to get to it's always about where you want to get to and no you never take stock of how far you've come and I want to be a better cook I send like I'm really really January is the start I'm going to be such a better cook because I think if I'm slowing down I'm at home manage my time better I make up I send Lucinda these videos every day of these amazing meals that are so easy to do yeah everyone's got a playlist I never do it should we get some weekly wines you got any weekly wines for me I haven't got a weekly wine or a weekly shine i've got a weekly kick up the ass that it's only four days to my birthday fyi yeah yeah so it's just a little weekly a little weekly rewind yeah you're getting a weekly reminder oh i'd love a weekly reminder yeah i think we should get some weekly wines okay hi all i need to whine about how unnecessarily complicated everything feels simple tasks now need five logins a verification code and an app upgrade i tried to change my address the other day and nearly gave up halfway through even apple like even apple tv has an update where i need to scan a qr code every time i open the app and catch up on slow horses which is great by the way if you haven't started it we know gary oldman so he said it was good nothing is ever just simple anymore and it makes me feel about 70 years old yeah i'm only in my mid to late 20s totally agree with this and if you're in your mid to late 20s wait till you get to your 40s like me yeah and you i'm not there yet so i'm fine i'm in my midsley 30s do you know what sophia sophia did to me the other day you're not gonna believe this so i was just sitting there minding my own business right now it's a list that i need to do and she's uh sitting next to me she said mom uh can i have your face for a moment so i said she held her phone up to me i went like that and i was like and i went oh what's that for love she said google's saying i'm too young so i needed your face wow I was like facial recognition for age and it just six days away yeah approved I was like Sophia no way how horrible is that yeah like a knife through my bloody heart yeah see those QR codes I didn't realise like I took it it's actually good when you're setting up the TVs and stuff because you just do that and it goes on your phone and then you're kind of already logged in and it does the face thing and then you kind of log straight into the TV no see i can't even return things to zara anymore they've made it so difficult that's so true normally well first of all they just come and pick it up now that's stopped so then you have to go this whole thing and print off a bloody label and then take it to the post office which is fine but now it's this whole new system where you can't even find the bloody return option so it just stays in the house you need that on purpose i think we should start a thing now right especially when you go to restaurants and things like that, right?

8:58We always ask for a paper menu. What if I haven't got a phone on me or I haven't got, I think it's not on charge. Got no internet, got no, yeah, exactly. I have to guess what you've got on the menu. I never have charge. Or get an old lady or something or an old man. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's an outrage. I can't imagine my nan or my auntie Cattle doing QR codes, do you know what I mean? At all. No. Agreed with you. Sack them off. They're everywhere now, you know. You know what, some of the kids now, when they're, you know, they're just, gives you QR code do you know this the dating scene yeah I've seen it what you just thumped the fence one of the lads one of the fellas I know his son you said how'd you get on last night son got five QR codes no way what the hell is going on with the world here no give me your number it was bad enough when you had to give out a bloody mobile number it's the house phone numbers like 4286261 do you know what I mean BBN PIM yeah so easy and now it's like it's actually mind boggling that we can remember a whole phone number really isn't it 100 % if you think about how many numbers yeah but I can remember all my mates phone numbers from from school but I can't remember I don't know mine yeah you don't remember do you know mine?

10:05no I know yours it's all just in I know me mum so we don't say it will you? the only number I need to know of yours is your credit card pin pin code which I do know certainly do so does the whole family but I look to it but yeah it's so funny Liv the other day she's going out shopping with a friend and I'm like Liv let me give you some money and she's like it's fine I've got dad's card on my phone I forgot about that she went on a to a party and she needed it so I put it on I thought I need to take that off now but I haven't I haven't taken it off bin bags from Sheen arriving daily at the door no I need to you need to turn that off her because she's got no concept I know I need to get rid of that you're right fucking hell and I need to get rid of yours as well.

10:49Please remind me, Ross. She and the most the one that Net-a-Port are coming in together. Oh, mate. Fucking hell. She's the worst. Sophia has had it for a couple of years now. She's good as gold. Me and Kev have got a little secret code going on now. Have you? You hide some. Is my, yeah. Put it in the skip, Kev. Put it in the skip. No, Kev, do not come near our house when you see Peter Carr on the drive. because I can't hide all the boxes from him you'll call me it's a coast clear it's clear come on drop him off he's alright Kevin to be fair I like him oh I love him ok hi gang what is it with people without just getting back to that one we do sound really old when we say that are we comfortable with that we do sound really old I'm 29 though and I'm agreeing with you completely yeah it does feel a bit I don't know you're on your 40s but we want to be down no I don't want to be down I just don't like I don't want to be one of those older people that goes...

11:46Okay, squiddly-rizz then. Skiddle-ly-rizz. I want to be more rizz. I want to be more rizz. Do you know what I'm saying, bro? Skiddy-dabby-dabby-doo. Skiddy-dabby-dabby. All right, hi, gang. What is it with people ringing without warning? Or even worse, ringing off an unknown or private number? No text, no heads up, just a call out of nowhere. My heart immediately jumps like something's wrong. If you want to chat, fine, just ask first. otherwise I spend the whole call slightly panicked for no reason it feels the same as when someone pops over to your house unannounced after 6pm and you'll shit yourself trying to figure out who it is on the doorbell before you answer I'm totally on board with this massively this is my vibe I don't answer I very rarely answer phone calls no do you know me and Lucinda called each other at the exact same time yesterday shit off so she called me her phone was off my phone was off I called her my phone was off then I got a text saying and you missed a call from Lucinda and she got it and we called each other at the exact same time.

12:47How mad's that? Yeah, I mean, I've never seen anyone more on the phone than you. I know, but my friend lives in fucking Dubai and the other one lives in Liverpool. Yeah, but she lived around the corner and it was still the same. I know, but... No, I've never seen it. Like, never not on the phone. I come home from wherever I come home from. It's so funny because we'll do... I just talk to Ab and Lucinda or Kaz or Alphie, whoever it is. I just talked to them like they're my wife as well like they go have a nice day Pete how are you and I go like yeah I've had a lovely day what have you been up to I'm straight into this three way conversation and the thing is sometimes I'd have people like come in and she'll have the phone in her hand and she'll talk to me and I'm assuming that we're in private and then she'll go yeah yeah whatever blah blah blah and then she'll go anyway Lucinda gotta go I'm about to film the pod and I'm like fucking hell I could have said anything in front of Lucinda do you know what I mean like having me pals killing me but we can say anything in front of Lucinda that's the point mum was on I didn't realise that I was allowed to be kind of what did you do you said you were running around the house with no knickers on and I went I've just found that strangely erotic and Karen went I'm here you know laughing

13:59laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing no because I I had like my boots on but nothing else because I was trying on different I did have knickers I had just my knickers on not no knickers FYI Okay, well, yeah, whatever it was. I think, you know, it was just the way... She shoots these girls. It's the way Karen just went, I am here, by the way. Should we get our guest on? Let's get the beautiful Shona on. Right, this is one of those call to arms little interludes in the podcast, which I hate, and I'm sure you hate as well, but it actually does make a huge difference if you subscribe because we're making top quality content, and if you want more of it, we need you to subscribe.

14:40so hit the button. Hello and welcome to Shona Magarty. How are you? Hello! I'm so excited for this. Thanks for having me. Well first, we absolutely loved you on Am A Celeb. Thank you. And you are so beautiful. Oh, thank you. And such a good singer. Coming from you, thank you so much. No, but I couldn't go on there solely for the no makeup thing. Oh yeah, that was a struggle. You look so good at makeup. I was like, bloody hell. Thank you. No, we loved you. She was saying that every night. It was like, oh, she's so beautiful. she's so beautiful you kept consistently saying that she's not just saying that because you're here I'll vouch for it thank you if you're saying that and then obviously when you started singing as well listen she's been known to hold a note or two she can sing yes so she knows a good singer when she sees one yes you should sing I'm not as good as you but everyone says oh you know everyone that says I can't sing I can't and everyone says she can you can I love singing but I'm normally pissed and would grab a mic off everyone anyone in a bar wouldn't I Russ but no thanks for coming on yeah thank you for having me so tell us some juicy goss is it really no food cold water showers yeah like no food at all rice and beans and I never want to see a grain of rice again it's put me completely off I don't like rice anyway don't we know it because I'm a big fan I don't eat rice I just won't cook it I'll have rice if I'm having like a Chinese.

16:10Yeah. Yeah. Or an Indian. Yeah. You know, if I was making like, I wouldn't put anything with rice. No. You always go mad at me for it. I quite like it. I know, but... But I probably wouldn't if I went in the jungle. Yeah. But you enjoyed the whole experience, right? So... I did. Yeah. What was the first impressions? First impressions, I walked in and I just hoped that everybody was nice. Mmm. Oh. Oh, are you alright? I saw a little... I thought someone's tummy rumbling then. Hello. He's so sorry. Bam, that's Bambi in the background growling. You know, I took him out on the, we've just got our new puppy, Bambi.

16:48And I took him out. I've got two other dogs already, a lab and a cavapoo. And I took him out and he was obviously in Liberty, my daughter's handbag. Yeah, yeah. Growling at every dog and like snapping at them. It's like an Alsatian with that big. Small dog syndrome. They are the same. He's crazy. Anyway, going back. so yeah first impressions first impressions I walked in and I just hoped everybody was nice yeah and I think that was my worst fear is that people would be bitchy or you know just full of ego and I I thought oh I might have to walk out but actually everyone was really nice yeah it was a great line up yeah yeah and I did strictly with Lisa Riley and absolutely loved her she's amazing so she was great I loved Tom H Ginge yeah who else Jack loved him Jack Captain Jack I just thought they were all fabulous.

17:37Yeah. Who did you connect with the most? I feel like Anne and Dec have probably asked you this. Alex. Loved Alex. Yeah. And I got them really well with H. Yeah. Yeah. And which would you... The smirk. I've already asked to rub that in the kitchen. Wow. We've had a little chat. Okay. Where was I when that was going on? You're making your ham sandwich, you know? Yeah, you're eating a toast. Fair enough. But it's that... It's apologies. I was hungry. are you going to speak to everyone still is there a WhatsApp group like what's going on there is a WhatsApp group yep we speak regularly we're all just trying to get back to normal life yeah it's really weird when you come out yeah you know because like everyone knew me before it's like Whitney but now it's like you were on 20 years I didn't realise it was that long yeah yeah yeah that's ridiculous yeah yeah yeah it's crazy it's mad yeah so when you come out people are shouting jungle at me yeah and I'm like oh hello that's a new thing new thing yeah jungle not even shout it's jungle but you've been called Whitney for the past 20 years when someone sees you in the street yep yeah yeah never gets never get your own name no you never get your own yeah but I suppose a lot of people resonated with Whitney as you say because you weren't there for so long as well yeah like what was it like when you were on EastEnders and how hard was it to kind of transition I suppose from being it's almost like in an institution like that yeah it was it was weird like i grew up in boring wood where it's filmed and um it was my dream to be in extenders and then it happened and my mum said oh i'll do my shopping in tesco's and you work in extenders and we used to laugh about it and then it happened didn't know what to do that is hysterical yeah yeah yeah how did you get into all that then I just I got an agent when I was younger so me and my sister went to like a little local drama thing because we were both quite shy well my sister was I was the naughty one I think my mum wanted to keep me out of trouble and then I got an audition and I got it I couldn't believe it wow and the day of the audition I was in court because I didn't do anything wrong I got I didn't want to watch I didn't want to ask that.

19:58I thought you said Cork. Yeah, I was in Cork in Ireland. Yeah, I was in Ireland. But I didn't want to say, was it Cork or Cork? I was in Cork. I got mugged at a train station. Yeah, beaten up really badly. No. Oh, my God. Yeah, so we were in Cork and then I went for an audition and got it. It was really weird. Funny, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So life was, you know, sort of. Wow. Yeah, not great at the time. But how old were you then? It changed my life. I was just 16. okay yeah and it changed your life you think i remember you coming in because i was like she's so gorgeous then oh little girl oh thank you yeah it did it changed my life really did well what's like the day-to-day of that like because i think like i'm for some reason i'm comparing comparisons to my life when i played i played football for 20 years yeah so i feel like there are some and you're kind of like you go to work every day and then you're kind of in that zone for so long and and you come out of it and you're kind of, what do I do now?

20:52So what would a day-to-day EastEnders cast member like yourself, but what would a Monday be, for instance? 12 hours. Really? You could be in every scene or you could be in one scene. And you have to be there the whole time? You're just waiting around. That's like when I was on that bloody Cockham with the Stars. Got voted out second as I be there all bloody day. Oh no. Human. I'm still not over it. Yeah, she's absolutely fuming. I'm not over it. That bloody... What's her name? Catherine Ryan. Beat me on that bloody chocolate fondant. And she's made loads of them before. It's my first time and it was basically a draw.

21:28Still fuming around. Yeah, she's not took it well. No. No, I'm not competitive at all. Yeah, so, and then, is that five days a week, six days a week? Five days a week. But hold on, whether you're in one scene or all of them, you're still there all day? Yeah, you can be, yeah. they just keep you waiting they say we might get to your scene we might not it's a lot you know but then again you could be working the whole week or you'd be working one day yeah and then you're just sort of pottering around yeah but because EastEnders is so strict you can't go anywhere if you want to go on holiday you have to like book it well in advance gosh yeah who did you get on with on the EastEnders set?

22:13Natalie Cassidy yeah yeah yeah yeah she's so funny yeah Natalie Cassidy me and Natalie who were like inseparable. Yeah. Yeah. And Patsy as well. Yeah. Yeah, I suppose like, because there's so many like household names on there, isn't there? Like, because you've seen them so much like, well, as a 16 year old growing in there. Kind of part of your life, aren't they? Yeah. You're watching it every day. Yeah, but like as a 16 year old going in there and obviously you've definitely grown up with your ambition to be in it. What's that like to kind of walk in and see these people that you've seen on, you know, on your TV screen your whole life?

22:46It's weird. I remember walking and I saw Adam who plays Ian Beale I knew you were going to say Ian Beale but in all honesty when I asked that question all I had was was Ian in my head Adam well what about Barry because we've worked with Barry a few times oh yeah yeah with Paddy Power Sean yeah he's lovely I just called him Barry the whole day my friends he come on I do a football podcast we had him on right and he sang what did he sing didn't he sing My Way no I'll do it anyway I'm gonna do it anyway oh that's brilliant when he's at Crufts that video have you seen that no I haven't have you not seen it no I haven't oh you've got you've got to get got to see it you'll have a bit of homework when you leave it get on Sean singing I'm gonna do it anyway at Crufts okay brilliant at Crufts it's at Crufts like the dog thing yeah but I kept calling and Barry the whole day and I was like Barry Sean Sean Sean I think he gets that a lot right oh yeah do you get that Barry I get yeah I get Whitney yeah like even Eddie in the jungle he was calling me Whitney and I was like oh really it's not my name that's hysterical and then he was calling me Shauna yeah so in the community meetings that we had every morning you know Ruby would be like is there anything anybody wants to see this morning and I'd go yeah Eddie my name's not Shauna it's Shona and I didn't keep it in I'm gutted he was like oh my bad oh yeah yeah oh amazing yeah so sorry before we interrupted and said I knew you were going to say Adam.

24:18How do you know his real name? What, Adam Woodiat? Yeah. Oh, shit. Look at that. He'd be delighted. Oh, it's good. I'm quite good at that. I used to know the entire neighbours' real names. I used to. Not anymore. Kylie, Holly. No, no. No, I didn't. My mate was better than me, but we both had a try for a while. Carry on. So when I walked into EastEnders for the first time, I saw Adam Woodiat, Ian Beale, the legend, the icon. And my shoes were too small. But because I was new and I really wanted to be there, I didn't make a fuss. And they were like two sizes too small. But he overheard me telling my mum and he was like, oh no, we can't have that.

24:59So he went into costume and he sorted it out and he was like, you've got to, you know, you've got to speak up. And I was like, okay. Oh my God, it's Ian Bill. So he's actually nice Ian then? Yeah. My favourite thing was when he, I think it was the National Television Awards where he saw Thierry Henry. Oh yeah. Have you seen it? he's so excited he's so excited he's an Arsenal fan right yeah yeah oh he sees Thierry's can he's on stage receiving an award that's a star oh he's amazing he seems like a nice guy he is lovely but I suppose his character's like yeah people are like come on he's a bit down isn't he yeah his character's like all about business and you know being selfish isn't he Ian yeah but that must be no one likes Ian I don't like Ian love Adam hate Ian yeah that must be hard playing a role like that well like you know I think you were well liked I suppose I think so I did get quite a few messages saying like when are you going to stop crying and I kind of get it because I imagine Whitney is like in Harry Potter you know you've got Moanie Myrtle like whiny Whitney sitting on the top of the toilet door just sort of crying but it's good juicy storylines as well yeah it was it was really good actually I was never not busy yeah so that was good I got to do lots of stunts which was my favourite yeah love a stunt and you love singing love singing was that something that was in you obviously that's what I suppose is that what you're looking to move into that's what you want to do and yeah and is that something that was always your number one always since I was little my first ever school assembly when I was like seven yeah it's something I've always wanted to do I love singing but the thing is like the whole nation have heard you sing now on TV so surely it's now now is the time to we've just been listening to your new single which is incredible so you've got fans here thank you so I hope it all goes what are you going to do what's the plan with all the singing the plan is to just get in the studio I've got loads of songs that I've had under my belt for years yeah I'm just going to get them done put them out and see what happens see what happens yeah amazing yeah and how how is does the West End compare to doing the TV show what do you prefer I prefer TV only because I'm lazy like musicals is hard yeah it's a lot of graft you know it's like twice a day twice a day sometimes three times for like four months it's a long old schlog yeah you know you gotta be up so early and do it hurry times it is hard like and also I get I get a bit bored with the same script.

27:43Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's the goals with singing? Like, you know, obviously you're going to get the songs that you've got already and you're going to sing that you're going to put them out there. Is there anything you want to achieve? You know, is there festivals you want to play at? Do you want to play at a place? I always feel like, I love that question, but I always feel like if I were to be honest and say where I'd love to be, is it cringe? You know what I mean? No, it's not. you've got to manifest it you have haven't you yeah yeah I'm really into manifesting yeah you should just put it out there yeah and make it happen yeah I think because if no one knows how do they how can they help you get there that's true that's true you should just put it out there and be like that's happening I'd love to sing professionally yeah I'd love to be on a massive stage you know O2 Wembley amazing do we the Britz yeah You never know.

28:39Why not? I just want to just be myself. Yeah. I want to express myself through like fashion and things like that as well. But I think going on something like The Jungle, it can go amazing for you or it can be the complete end of your career. Yeah, yeah. And has been for certain individuals. Yeah. But I think you came across so well, so authentic. You were yourself the whole time. You've got an incredible voice. so no one can say you're hiding behind auto-tune in the studio. Do you know what I mean? It's like, you know, and I think having done that show, you're going to walk away with a lot of fans who will definitely buy that ticket to come and watch it.

29:17Thank you. Definitely. It means a lot. No, it's true. And I think another good thing is that you opened up a lot about your anxiety, which is something we talk about on this pod all the time because I am riddled. Is that how you feel? Are you going through that? Have you got better or have you got worse? It's got better. but it's it's just finding ways to cope isn't it finding ways to deal with it when it comes up yeah and like you said people don't understand and that's fine you know if they're not anxious that's great good for you but it's like when you say to someone I just feel quite anxious today they're like well why I know what have you got to be anxious about yeah well I think obviously for someone who's not anxious is like is trying to understand it you know get yourself together will you love because you're saying here on one hand I want to sing in front of the biggest audiences in the world right but then on the other hand you're like I'm anxious so to someone who doesn't understand it being anxious that looks like it's counteracting each other but she might not be anxious on the stage that's why I'm asking the question good singer and feels comfortable that might be her place to shine rather than stage fright it's not the same thing so for me I get social anxiety so like without having my coping mechanisms today would have been like you know just just chatting to you guys as lovely as you are just like the fear of doing yeah you know this podcast or going to meet new people things like that it's got so much better i think for me i'm just trying to do things that that do scare me yeah yeah putting yourself in and then you're kind of overcoming them.

31:02What are your coping mechanisms then? What do you do? I do a lot of meditation and just breathing. Yeah. It sounds so simple, but it really works. Yeah. It really, really works. It's just trying to be present. And I think things like caffeine isn't great. I realised that in the jungle because day four I had the worst headaches. Yeah. From the caffeine withdrawal. It's like, gonna die. Everyone did. that's what I couldn't cope with the no coffees the no food my biscuits and my cup of tea before bed yeah it was bad it was really bad I had a coffee literally we pulled up we had to stand down because there was a storm before we went into camp I had a big flask of coffee it was like oh right okay I know I shouldn't have done that can you what were you drinking then just water boiled water oh yeah I quite like boiled water it tastes like arse I don't know what the arse tastes like.

31:59Well, you do, actually. Simba's last. Yeah. Kangaroo arse. Nice. Kangaroo arse. Kangaroo arse. So are those trials as bad as they look? Yeah. Yeah. Really bad. The green ants are the worst thing. Were you covered in bites? Yeah. Well, they just get everywhere, those ants. Everywhere. Yeah. Are you allowed an antihistamine? Yep. Oh, good. They give you an antihistamine and a bit of cream. But then they sort of say, suck it up. Off you go. is there anything else that bites in there like you know in camp like when you're actually not even in a trial just just sleeping outside and stuff like that yeah you got obviously you got mozzies yeah that's what I mean there must be loads of those bit into pieces yeah they love me mozzies oh god so bad it's horrible horrible and what else was there cockroaches bite they were in knickers at one point see if I saw a cockroach I would die I would absolutely die yeah it was horrible we've seen cockroaches over the years yeah exactly And you freaked out.

32:57Yeah, I know. So have you. Yeah, I know. The rats and the mice. Yeah, I didn't mind the rats. Crocs I can do. Snakes I can do. Anything underwater would be in. Actually, I'm not going to say this in case I ever go on it and then they just put me in all them things. Just play this out. I'm sorry, is there anyone you'd like to duet with maybe? Or is there anyone coming up that you'd like to duet with? I mean if you're going to sing I'll do a joke with you yeah babe I can't sing I'm a disorder Ab does shallow most of our listeners have heard her do shallow she does it every time we go out but it's only because you film me and then put it in places and people yeah but it's she's good at it very good yeah she's given up with me being Bradley Cooper so yeah it's such a shame that I haven't got my own Bradley it's such a shame that I can't sing you haven't got a Bradley

33:53I don't fancy Bradley Cooper in anything else bar that movie by the way yeah it's a weird one isn't it I fancy from Piggy Blinders Killian Murphy but only as Tommy outside of it no normally I'm the same with Jack from Star is Born, Bradley yeah weird isn't it yeah if we go on a night out I'll sing with you great oh there we go that's gonna happen when I've got when I've got a bit of Dutch courage yeah that's usually how it goes because when I was a little girl I thought I wanted to be a singer but I'm so I've got too much stage fright I'm just too nervous but then she hasn't as the evening wears on yeah really really confident yeah about singing we say our Ross looks like Bradley Cooper in Star Is Born yeah you know right at the end you know right at the end of that film even left in the microwave Jesus so we do a thing on this podcast where it's like bonk beat someone wrote in to us about you know music on in the bedroom this sounds a bit weird ah right okay Ross's what's yours let's get it on yeah I can't tell you I shouldn't be allowed I just think right you can't if you if you're like you know it's about to happen what's that army no it's just like wait wait it's about to happen no it's like wait excuse me it's about to happen right and then I just went let's get it and I think you'd look at me and go I'm going to be physically sick see I'm not a person who would put a music on and then think it'd just have to be on in the background yeah because otherwise it's like a lot of pressure in it yeah it's pressure like rhythm what rhythm do you do I'm in yeah Yeah.

35:49Draw and bass. Draw and bass. So we've had people who have written in and one of them was Susan Boyle vibes and the other one was Swedish House Mafia. So when they came together, totally different rhythm. Yeah, of course. Of course. So, yeah. Smack my bitch. You're in for a wild one. I think you've got to know the person pretty well. Yeah. You sure do. Fuck it up. I don't know what my bonk beat would be. I think it depends what rhythm you're after. Yeah. You know, or maybe just, this is the rhythm of the night. Yeah, exactly. And just, you know, let him do what he likes. That's a very good one.

36:32Yeah, there you go. So another thing we do on the pod is the quotes we live by. And mine is, if it's not a hell yet, it's a no. Okay, that's nice. And that's with anything. Should I buy this dress? If it's not a hell yet, it's a no. Should I do this job? Should I go to this party? whatever did I eat this cake whatever there's various other ones as well like if you're losing an argument quite often as well you just finish it with like oh grow up even if it doesn't make any sense that is literally what Amy says all the time it's perfect and it kind of kills them because they're like you know you're acting like a child I'm not even going to bother that kind of thing and quite often if you're losing the argument if you tell them to grow up you've kind of won it yeah they're coming back from that it's true you say that all the time yeah since we were little grow up yeah the way you do it is where you go grow up it's great it is really good it's really good and the other one is I was about to say there if someone's talking we used to do it through Brexit really and if someone said Brexit oh you know what do you think you're like don't get me started I can't do I'd be like I can't do this conversation again basically I've got no fucking idea what it is yeah yeah yeah don't get me started I can't even yeah you're right people go yeah you're right you're right let's change this conversation that's a good one did you have any times like that in the jungle where you were

37:59no luckily nobody spoke about politics because I hate it as well so do I because I don't understand it so I'm just like there's also no rather not it's a difficult one and if you've got real strong opinions on it you alienate half the people voting for you yeah that's true yeah competitive sportsman yeah I just don't think you can win unless you're running you know then just keep fucking quiet

38:30that's my that's my politics for the day I do like you know when you try and find the positive and the negative yeah so I say like shit stinks but it's warm that's true that is nice I like that yeah yeah how was it going for numero dos in the jungle oh my god it's just a bucket really is it bad everything seems as bad as what you as it's made out maybe even worse it is well I thought I thought oh maybe they'll give you a little cup of tea every now and then there'd be things behind the scenes no no you shit in a bucket and you don't eat oh my god sounds like a house retreat yeah yeah people pay thousands but it's true literally yeah it's true oh my god I lost 10 pounds that's amazing my arse and my dignity in one show you know but you wouldn't change it is what I'm getting the I'd have my arse back but dignity's gone you could have done some squats while you're standing there in the bloody jungle I know Vogue was all over it no she's fit though isn't she yeah she does not that you're not I mean but she's like I was exhausted watching her yeah I know I was but I remember when we were in Portugal and we were like are you coming she's like no I'm going for a run and I'm like I'm going to the bar baby yeah yeah yeah and then she's like is there any rice is there any rice not going to be able is there any rice and I'm like where are you putting it she's eating all the rice exercising she's having a lovely time she looks great yeah she does she does not jealous you look phenomenal So what was the highlight of the experience for you?

40:15And what are you most proud of yourself? I was proud for singing in the Jungle Arms. That's what I wanted to do. I thought I was going to go out in the first week, but I can't believe I made it so far. And I can't believe I made it to the Jungle Arms. That looked like such a good night. It looked fun, right? It was so fun. It really was. We were all just like... You were like pretzels! Yeah, pretzels. and I hate pretzels so do I yeah they're the worst snack of them all yeah like loft insulation yeah it was horrible it was like eating kitty litter yeah honestly it was disgusting but I'm like oh my god pretzels are so salty you know just like yeah twiglets I hate twiglets you were sneaking the bloody things in I know can't believe you did that I know what was our thing to bring in air freshener she brought air freshener air freshener well I found it on the way to a trial oh okay and then I was like actually we all stink and the dunny really stinks so I was like I'll just have a little bit of that and it was lavender so it helped us all sleep I was doing it for the family oh that was okay oh you found out a trial that's freaking out yeah who's dropped that Ant and Dec who's dropped that I think it's so many more questions I could have asked there but that was the one that sprang to my impression no who did drop it but I always think like when people sneak in the salts and the butter and all that it's hilarious because you're just gonna definitely gonna get caught I found some butter in the trunk I ate that it was Lurpak slightly salted ooh nice my thing yeah great I like a bit Kerrygold though as well Kerrygold is the best butter ever oh yeah or the M &S French salter butter have you tried that?

41:57no you need it in your life French dick that drop dead gorgeous oh amazing yeah it's unreal French dick with French butter yeah exactly match my in heaven isn't it really

42:14what did you miss the most from home then like was it was it was it you know what give us the the meal or snack you missed the most and and the person missed the most the person i missed the most is my sister are you tight you're close yeah we're 10 and a half months apart oh i've got i've got that situation going on oh yeah got six and seven six seven yeah but um yeah we're so you the same age for a bit yeah we're the same age for two weeks oh really weird oh my god yeah it's really crazy mom yeah my mom and dad were told that they couldn't have kids and they tried for like six years and then my very irish granny was like i'll pray i pray for the kids i'll pay for the babbies and then she prayed to St.

43:00Bernadette, which is my middle name. And then it went bang, bang. And then my mum went, oh, you can stop praying. It's fine. Hell yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I miss my sister the most and the snack I miss the most was pickled onion monster munch. I love them. You like them, don't you? Yeah, I'm on your wavelength. I'm more of a bicky person. That's where I got this chin. No, it's my favourite chin. It's two of them. I look like a thumb. No, you don't. Bloody gorgeous. Everyone could do that. Did you ever want to quit? I never wanted to quit. I never wanted to quit because I'm not competitive at all, but I just wanted to do it for my family.

43:47Yeah. I really did. I could just imagine my dad saying, you know, go on girl, don't give up, you know. and I think because I was so quiet I think people expected me to give up but I just had that little bit of fire in me to keep going yeah before you went in there where did you have yourself placed and did it exceed expectations or disappoint where I had myself placed was going out first I honestly thought I'd be gone because everyone had these like massive personalities you know they were sort of sharing stories that were quite bougie and you know me I remember me and Ging was saying about you know we're shopping Aldi and you know he was talking about his little house and I was talking about my little cottage and we just felt like I don't know maybe not not good enough but like a bit imposter syndrome big enough yeah and then I was felt a bit like oh I don't know where I fit in this group and then actually everyone was so down to earth yeah everyone was fab it was great and they all sort of took their masks off if you know what I mean and it became therapy camp which was weird yeah and we were all crying and hugging and loving each other we just needed a bit of like ayahuasca and it would have been a little bit show I loved Ruby as well yeah she's fabulous fab isn't she I woke up I was in the hammock hated that hammock I've never been in a hammock oh don't bother have you ever been in a hammock?

45:19no of course you have I haven't of course you have certainly when? when have I ever been in a friggin hammock? I'm sure we have do you remember we used to swim out to everyone in the sea? I didn't go out because I was too scared to swim out I didn't go out I thought you did that once I didn't because you saw a shark so I went back no we did yeah I was in the middle of it you know like where you swim out I was in the Maldives and he swam out to his hammock we did it and then I saw a chalk swim like so from where I was it was like in between that and the beach I said now I've got to get back in there swim past that thing so I said to my Sophia who was with me I said do you go first no you didn't although she's a champion swimmer so she would have been alright I wouldn't do that to her I was in my hammock and so when when you're sleeping all the lights sort of really slowly go down and I used to like staying awake to watch it happen it was really amazing and then you just see like cameras everywhere little red lights when they're recording it was really weird oh yeah that must be weird yeah really weird and then when someone would get up to use the dunny all the lights would come on so Ruby they didn't show it and I wish they did they've got this thing called the voice of God which is just a speaker it's like they're there if you know i don't know someone's going the wrong way for instance ruby went to go for a wee down at the creek instead of the dunny because she was half asleep so the lights had come on are you allowed to wee in the creek no no no you can't wee the creek she got up and she was like couldn't see where she was going ruby you're going the wrong way over the speaker i was pissing myself hysterical in my hammock and then this big australian security guard comes in and goes all right Ruby we're going to take you to the Dunny just hold on to me darling she's like this is my boyfriend she was lovely amazing she's so funny yeah she was amazing yeah she's such like she was like the granny of the camp you know everyone's like she'll kill you saying that granny oh she will yeah she will kill me now the queen of the camp the queen I meant the queen yeah when you get out of the camp do you watch it back because I always think this about contestants like you know what we've seen and your experience do they correlate so i've only watched the first two episodes so i saw myself jumping out of a helicopter oh no no thanks oh my god and my licks are like this and i'm going ah like honestly like something out of me myself and irene you know i love that scene literally and i'm like oh i love that everyone's seen me like that you know and then it got worse um so yeah i've watched up to that much i i'm gonna try and watch them there's so many to get through yeah yeah but i will watch it because i think i think it's good to yeah no you'll be proud of yourself watching it you agree yeah yeah you should be proud of yourself and you should be proud of your single as well unapologetically me right yeah yeah uh it's difficult for me to say that try and sing it but no it's a beautiful song we had it on earlier yeah oh thank you yeah lovely before you go can you just help us with some agony abs yeah so if you're not familiar with them we have our listeners write in with some problems that we need to try and solve okay okay hi uh abby pete ross uh shona uh i'm starting to worry i've accidentally branded myself as the reliable one at work and i hate it if someone if something needs staying late i'm asked if someone's off sick i'm the can you just person if a job's gone wrong i'm brought in to fix it meanwhile other people seem to float through doing the bare minimum uh and still leave me on time and still leave on time sorry the problem is i did this to myself i said yes too often at the start because i wanted to to look keen now i feel trapped if i stop helping i look difficult if i carry on i'm knackered and resentful i'm starting to feel like a sports direct size mug and everyone knows it, which I can't be having anymore, what should I do?

49:30Firstly, those Sports Direct mugs are pretty great, actually, and I've got one myself. I know them well. They're very good. Good size. Great size. You can fit one of them mini footballs in one of them. Yeah. I mean, I apologise for what we've given you there. That's pathetic. It goes with the Feng Shui of the house. That's it? no no that goes like it goes well yeah no no I like your design I know I like your design just don't like the size of it you can't get any tea in it I would say that he should start I mean he started as the yes man he now needs to start saying no there's nothing wrong with saying no I struggle with that with myself same like I've struggled all my life to just say no yeah and actually it's okay to say no I think he should just very politely say I just can't you know I usually would but I can't and also when you say no you feel like you need to back it up with an explanation when no is enough that's true you know what I mean I can't do that and actually then it's on them because if you start going oh I can't because I've got to I've got to do this or I've got to go here then it gets into a big thing if you just say oh sorry I can't today yeah end of that is great advice I've started doing that so have I so have I Kaz read that let them book oh yeah you've got that yeah it's good and she gives me all these little tips it's great yeah and you feel so much you feel so much more liberated because you just you're not worrying about people yeah just go can't do that yep just let them okay hey the clans the chinless wonder and tbr do you feel like I've got no chin no you say it she's saying it oh

51:24I said he's got a little tiny chin you're telling me like I said like quite often the beauty in a man is a strong jawline that's what I keep hearing is a strong jawline I'm going to tell them I've got no chin what's the other thing you said to me? receding hairline no eyebrows receding oh no it's like fucking hell no not one after the other no no no it's been said over the years it's throughout the day well I think you're gorgeous babe thanks babe chin chin I mean cheers I love your little chin no it's lovely it's lovely it's not it should be it's a big chin it's a big strapping chin Johnny Bravo yeah exactly okay hoping you can provide some of your world class top quality content to help me out of a little pickle I've found myself in I agreed to something weeks ago when I was in a good mood and now it's coming up I really don't want to go I'm not even sure what the thing is I'm not even sure what the thing I'm expected to go to is it's some sort of immersive experience in London like an escape room or Cluedo or something equally as shite nothing bad has happened I'm just tired skint and craving a quiet night in at the time saying yes felt easier than explaining myself is it better to cancel and feel guilty or go and resent everyone silently ooh see I'm the queen of bailing me too I would cancel I would I would cancel and just say to be honest I'd probably lie and say something's happened I would I'd lie and say oh no you know grandma's been run over or something I think on last week's podcast I think we were discussing things where people will ask me would you like to do that and I will look them dead in the eye and know full well that I've got no intention of going to this thing that they've invited me to but I look at them and say yeah that'd be great that mate give me a bell and he knows and I know but I feel like sometimes he's thinking like that's nice of him to lie like that yeah but I'm that person I think I'd be a bit harsh have you seen that thing on I know do you know what I mean have you seen that thing on Instagram and it's like I want to be invited to everything but still don't want to go yeah that's me yeah if you're someone that keeps saying no to everything then you don't get invited and then you're like why wasn't I invited I didn't think you'd want to go I've seen that happen to people yeah and that that is the problem that happens to me so you need to say yes enough yeah to get the invite go to the odd one to say no yeah but yeah I think you're right in this in this case they just I think they just I don't think he'll feel that guilty when he's on his couch in his fleece dress and gown watching a nice movie no and also if he goes to an escape room there is probably no escape that's a good point that you know what I mean yeah although I do fancy to go to one of those there's a few little things yeah I've never done it no I haven't no I'd like to do the traitors one there's a traitors thing I'd quite like to do that yeah I'd be shit at them puzzle things yeah crystal maze I'd be rubbish at that see the thing is if you do that you get locked in you're just locked in that's you done that's you done now I'll shit at that and I'm just gonna stay here I'll be traumatised no I couldn't do it yeah well that's that and you know good luck with the music and everything obviously like I remember I've spotted you straight away if she was a talent scout she'd have been on you straight away because you you need to get bloody Sharon Osbourne on the case that's a good point yeah yeah she could manage you that would be nice that would be wouldn't that be cool yeah Sharon Shaz is that you thanks so much for coming on we've absolutely loved you on the show thank you and you're beautiful and you've got the best singer voice and we wish you all the luck with everything thank you so much good luck thank you shout out thank you guys thank you guys if you're liking what you're listening to hit that subscribe button because it really helps us and it's nearly 2026 and we want to get bigger and better so show us some love by hitting that button