Larry & George Lamb: Gavin & Stacey, Wild TV Tales & Exposing The Food Industry’s Dark Secrets

0:00I'm currently trying to conceive... Sorry, I'm currently trying to convince a totally different thing.

0:10Blaylies. Blaylies. Bloke. Hello? Bloke-a-cola. I've got far more in my locker than that. Exactly. You know, I just dumb them down for her.

0:26Such a twat. Hello and welcome to The Therapy Crouch with me, Abbey Clancy. And me, Peter Crouch. Put your phone away. I'm actually working. I am actually working. Working on what? Well, at the moment, I'm on the Peter Crouch podcast notes that I put in. I wasn't actually working on this podcast. Charming. Oh, Ross, I forgot to introduce you. Don't worry, I'm here for you. I'm here for you. And Ross. I'm back. And Ross, he's back in the room. I'm back, baby. How does it feel to be back? Oh, great. I've been waiting for this moment all my life it's still late again I see it was not late hang on I sent you the screenshots of those trains that was no no no hold on a minute the screenshot of trains doesn't prove the trains were delayed yes it does no what I'm saying is it doesn't prove you were on that train no but it also doesn't matter but it does because I arrived at the time that the delayed fucking so what you need to do in future is get the hour earlier train that's exactly right so this is my problem people who say they're late right is they're timing it to be on time Pedro Pedro Pedro sorry you know the other day to the Peter Crouch podcast sorry you were slightly hungover again to record that we had yeah I was hungover because you had another Sunday session and how early did you get the did you get the hour early train or were you an hour late to the record yeah but that's my prerogative it's called that Peter Crouch podcast yeah that's my prerogative this isn't called the therapy pit you know it's not the therapy fucking Ross is it no the therapy pit fuck he's coming there yeah no so what to avoid delays one should always get the hour early change okay yeah yeah one should but I will recall the fact that we did build a studio in central London that you decided not to come into but we don't live in central London yeah I don't live in fucking central southern it doesn't matter like do you think everyone do you think do you think when the NHS nurses are going into work they're saying do you mind moving this the royal free to right outside my door no such a good point no no such a good point now that we know that we can do the remote maybe we just do that have we no we won't no we won't no yeah yeah like shut you the fuck up how have you been anyway guys oh god don't be late again I've finished that we'll be good yeah we've got guests on today I'm actually going into Alan Sugar and going listen your office is too far from my house it's absolutely absurd new kids yeah do you know Peter used to travel to Stoke from Surrey did he every day and guess what he was never late I bet you didn't PC didn't complain once because I was playing football yeah oh was this a chore for you I didn't complain once driving me laundry I was fucking stoned fuck off hey listen if this is a chore for you we could quite happily get someone else we can't we actually can't because we proved that one week just I have notes I took notes being taken and I do apologise and I don't want to hear about how yous get here once more because that's not our problem no it's not I don't care how you get here Get here when we sit

3:35Anyway It's good to be back I've missed this It's actually lovely to have you back Thank you guys It's absolutely not the same without you Ross And we could not do the therapy couch without you Good to have you back in health How are you? Good You both look great by the way Well we shouldn't we've had the Lanza crew here all weekend oh okay the Lanza crew for anyone who doesn't know our cousins who live in Lanzarote yeah who came over to come and spend time with us and watch Oasis it was third time we went to Oasis yeah yeah second time for me but yeah it was it was phenomenal I mean it's so good but yeah they had a lovely time we had quite a heavy weekend and then we got out and played golf I took took them to play golf just Carl play yeah yeah it's decent yeah we had a good day and we had a few beers some sausages over I've never met that side of your family though I'd like to meet them I've heard they're a good laugh it's all you've had that side isn't it yeah unbelievable you have met them when you were a kid maybe when I was a kid but I can't like as an adult I've never gone for a pint with them oh good for now weren't you there when they stayed in John's I might have no no no I've met Natalie is it Natalie yeah she's a good laugh she's a good laugh fabulous Natalie yeah so we we had them over so we had fun packed weekend shenanigans lots of shenanigans lots of wine great company so yeah just back on the Hell's Wagon this week back on the heels oh mate I'm on the heels big time daily greens oh yeah I've quit alcohol I've quit it I have three heavy days there yeah sometimes you need that though to stop can I ask you how your hangovers have developed as you got older because I feel mine are a lot more impactful the past three to five years mine are worse now yeah so we're most at a point where I don't want to go, I don't want to go that far, you know, from Monday to Thursday, but then Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, come around, it's Friday.

5:32Then I'm in the same position. I think, why have I done, why do I feel like this again? The quality of time in the days that I just, I don't want to, I don't want to lose them. Agreed. Yeah. My hangovers have definitely got a lot worse. You shouldn't, you know, it's not every day you do that, but when you've got family and friends over and you're hosting and you've got, a packed itinerary of you know centred around food and drink and parties and your scouse family as well like we we have a part we have a baby don't we it's like you know it's um it's inevitable I enjoyed every minute of it I'm not gonna laugh and you're not gonna look back at that weekend and go oh I was so hungover you gotta be looking back at that weekend going at the best time of my life and did you yes oh that's good that's really good I actually wasn't that hungover we didn't have it wasn't that bad the late nights it was just it was a consistent drinking for three it was an accumulative effect yeah I get you I get you you did have a kebab on Monday morning I don't know what to hear about this no I went to the the Kreet approach I went to the Peter Crouch pod and it was I had a kebab on the way there but I sat in with the Turkish lads and they sat with me they had three Turkish fellas who only all Galatasaray fans because Liverpool were playing Galatasaray in Champions League so they just they were chatting about that and I just had a kebab did you tell them that you scored that goal yes most one did you tell them you scored that great goal for Galatasaray against Galatasaray yeah yeah he was there so that's why it all started so he said Peter Crouch I said yeah he said I was there at Anfield and you scored the scissor kick why didn't you bring me one home you're a cheek actually a rat this just leads me right on to my weekly wine but it wasn't afterwards it was before so it was like breakfast it was my breakfast no because when we went to Oasis we had lunch at one Pete came home around we didn't have any dinner basically so on the way home like driving through Wembley there's so many kebab shops and I was like please stop and he was just going to Lay Lay just drive we're going home we're going home he said Lee told me this morning that you said to him I'll just do some toast when she gets home you tight ass I'll do some toast when we get in we all woke up absolutely starving like because we didn't get I think because you drilled into my head about kebab all night I thought to myself you know what I'm going to have one he was just hiring the music up in the front of the car and not telling it wasn't happening drowning out my voice so that was my weekly wine to you when I want a kebab give me one yeah good choice alright fair enough Pete any weekly wines from you Paul well it's just at the moment we're going through something at the moment last night Ab was in bed I was so tired she was showing me rescue horses okay no change and I was I was saying yes to a lot of stuff that I didn't in a cold life day I'm not sure I'm so on board with no so I'm gonna re-home some she found a website where you can you just get these horses that need rescuing or some of them are quite young as well aren't they there's a lot of young ones okay like foals no no some have been like rescued they've been treated badly uh rehabilitated homeless yeah um and there's actually quite a few charities in the uk who do this most of them are non-backable you'll be able to ride them yeah so just companions um but you know what better way to live out the remaining years than in the crouch clan yeah yeah yeah yeah there is something to be said about equine therapy because often you don't ride and it's strange the way it is a lot of horses you don't hear like mind you dog and cat therapy maybe but equine there is something that I think majestic about horses that can help your soul I think it's like when you get down to the new forest and you see them running wild in Lyndshurst and kind of Brockenhurst areas yeah I love it down there but just when I go to the stables it's just it's just my happiest place how is Enzo?

9:43gorgeous yeah although I haven't been able to ride them for two days so I'm miffed because the weather's been glorious. Great, great work. So, back in the saddle. But you see, they're quite nice weekly wines for you guys actually. There's not a lot of attention here. I like it. It's one of those. Last night I was very tired. I was drifting. Yeah. And I was worried that I'd, you know, basically opened up a horse sanctuary. No, but they have to come and vet us. They have to come vet us to see if we're suitable. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, I kind of like, there's no vindictiveness lifting these weekly wines they're quite damn nice weekly wines you must have had a good week you must have had a good week yeah well we just wined at you didn't we yeah you did yeah kind of got it all off our chest yeah yeah let's do the audience wines let's do some Abbey, Pete and Ross I was recently catching up with your with the your mum episode I thought that you'd all appreciate this my husband and his stepdad frequently have football debates that sometimes end up quite heated his stepdad is a hothead Spanish Liverpool fan and my husband is a lifelong potter.

10:45You're very popular in both houses, Peter. And I have noticed that whenever they get to the end of a discussion, my husband's stepdad often ends with muttering of Spanish. And I recently found out that he says, I fuck your mum. Is that... Put a dimmer? Tu put a madre. Tu put a madre. So your mum is apparently the best ending to an argument in more than one language. I love the pod and I often get looks from people wondering what I'm laughing at when I'm laughing to myself in the car. It's always you three. Yeah, but like, that's funny because obviously when I played football, there was a lot of Spanish speaking, Portuguese, but like, you would end up hearing some of the horrible phrases more than once.

11:33I could say them in French, Spanish, Portuguese. Italian. Italian, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like genuinely, I can only say those kinds of words. it's like Jack my son's got like he says so many cute things they've just started playing on the Nintendo Switch yeah and he calls it his Nintendo instead of Nintendo well I'm correct didn't you say something similar about the Playstation what did you call it the Game Station the Game Station he calls it the Game Station Jack calls it the Game Station but then last night I didn't know how to sync these two Nintendo Switches so I went mum just ask chat cheaty bdd he didn't even say chat it was just ask ask should this be seen and I was like what you'd be like around by John too watching so funny I know so funny hello guys on one of your recent pods you were talking about fake things like copy uggs and how sometimes they're actually not that bad I've got a pair of fake uggs haven't I these are actually yeah we've got real uggs on today yeah we both have I've got them on as well look my man it's slipper season isn't it yes oh yeah without a doubt I love my slippers you can't beat an hug do I love about your house you have like this box of like you know because we're not allowed to walk on the rim and it's like the guest slippers but they're all fucking hugs what else do you walk into the guest slippers and hugs the rim's gone totally out the window have you seen the state of the rim no I haven't the rim is black filthy rim filthy filthy okay it reminded me of me and my boyfriend we have this little joke where we call anything fake or a copy by putting blag in front of it.

13:13So fake magnums from Aldi become blagnums. Oh, good's that? How good's that? That is good. A blagnum thing. Fake Fanta is a blanter. Oh, it's a belter. And so on. We always end up cracking around, walking around the Aldi or the Lidl, adding blag to everything, especially as it's quite blatant. They're trying to cop the big brands. Play videos. Oh, I love the pod. Oh, that's class. That's so good. Blagnum Blagnum's a bell set isn't it So what What have we got Like that's What do we have That's for A Blas bar What They You know It's kind of like It's the exact same packaging And it's the same The same product But it's like M &S's own Or Tesco's own Yeah yeah yeah Irish Medda Yeah Irish cream Blah Irish cream Blah Irish cream The bled-o Irish bled-o what's blader I don't know it's because he's got Irish mad he's got Irish blader what do they do they just put a bler before blader blader blader blader blader blader blader blader bloke bloke bloke blader whiskey and bloke oh fucking hell I love that okay so this feels like a pretty good place to take a quick break and hear from our sponsors and remember if you're enjoying this top class crouchy clance Tudor Bob Ross content don't forget to share it with your friends and family this episode of the Therapy Crouch is sponsored by Citroen right babe I think it's time to start thinking about a new car ooh I love a new car what do you need from a new car well I need space we've got four kids you know I need to fit all my riding gear in there your golf clubs why what are you thinking well no I think it's got to be comfortable it's got to look good though right got to look good like me comfortable everyone look good sleek really practical i just think we do a lot of long journeys we're always ferrying the kids everywhere so you know that's got me thinking about you know ways to pass time in the car well you know what we do in the car obviously that we've got we've got a few games sorted yeah what's your favorite my favorite game when i've got all the kids and the dogs in the car is to whoever talks first thinks of her we normally get a good uh 15 10 minutes no we get 10 out of it for back and back.

15:36You probably don't even get 10, but you know, silence in a car when you've got four kids is golden. You know what is good though? When you, when you, we play a game as a whole family. Yeah. I went to the market. I love. I went to the market. Please explain. I went to the market. So I went to the market and I bought a lip gloss. I went to the market. I bought a lip gloss and a laptop. I went to the market and bought a lip gloss, a laptop and a kitten. I went to the market, bought a lip gloss, a laptop, a kitten and a new car. I like Guess the Animal though, and I spy. The story game's crept in though now, hasn't it?

16:13I even like playing that with adults though, not in a car, around a dinner table. No, it's actually, it is good that one. But Long Journeys are good for that one. Okay, should we do a little demo with that one? Once upon a time there was a man who was tall and handsome. his new girlfriend I was going to say car I was going to say car his new car I wasn't even talking about you anyway tall and handsome long and bloody as you can see this is a great game for all the family to play it's weird you know when you when you've got something in your head about what it's going to be and then someone just changes the direction that game babe you've got to love a car game it's fun for all the family And that Citroen C3 Aircross would just be perfect for those long journeys with the kids.

17:06You're not wrong. First off, it's got seven seats, so we can fit the whole crew in. No more leaving anyone behind. Inside, you'll find the best-in-class comfort that turns every journey into a joyride. We're talking a ride so smooth you won't even notice the miles going by. And here's the best part. It's all yours. Without a huge price tag, they've packed it. Premium design, top-notch quality and smart tech. Yummy. It's like a lounge in there, babe. search sitch and c3 aircraft to find out more so we've got some guests on today pedro we certainly have we've got so one of them is from one of your favorite tv shows of all time yeah and stacy yeah um and one of them i used to work was back and like we worked out it was like 20 years ago mad listen i've been in showbiz for um 20 years now yeah she has I think it was the last time and it shows I think that was the last time showbiz is talk about X anyone who says they're in show business can you imagine if I came home and said I was a footballer and they said what do you do now and I said I'm just doing showbiz Google me me showbiz now no but so many can you imagine it's like all show friends I'm going to show you a business, baby.

18:23Giggle me. I'll have a spice latte, please. No, it's... But some people, like that Joan Collins era and the biggins. Oh, yeah. That is showbiz, baby. Bruce Forsyth was in showbiz. They're of the generation of showbiz. People don't say it now. They'd say, what would they say now? I'm in the arts or the industry. The industry. It's even that one. So how long have you been in the business? In the industry. the business of showbiz you got to talk if you say the word showbiz in general I think no you're not well I have never said no I'm not saying you I would have disowned you when people when I have after like filling a form and it says occupation I don't know what to write I write housewife not author don't you write showbiz you should write just write showbiz next time I get that just write google me if you're not sure write google me here's my name google me how funny is it just like I am in show business show business occupation I'm in show business occupation I'll be clanser occupation surrounded by fucking nobans YouTube so funny it would be so funny if you actually did that shall we get our guests done yeah let's get them on let's get them on right huge therapy crouch welcome to Larry and George Lamb how are you you alright hey I'm sorry yeah basically I forgot It's been a while.

19:51It's been a while. Yeah, really good, man. Really good. It's a glorious day. We're in a beautiful part of the world. It's nice to see you guys again. I haven't seen you since we worked together. I know. I think I've seen you briefly. In 2000, I was trying to think when that was. I think it was 2007 maybe or something like that, which is nearly 20 years ago, which is wild. You only had one grey streak then? I know. It's really, it's come on. It's come on. It's come on. And that was the first live, I think it was the first live thing I ever did. And I actually remember dad coming down. I remember having, I was having kittens basically out the back and being really worried about it.

20:30And dad came down and was like, when you, like, everybody's here to have a good time, you know? And so like, but when you, and rather than actually, he was like, rather than come from the side of stage, go through the audience and go and say hello to everybody. And then you'll just realize everybody's on the level and they're nice. And so I walked through and shook lots of people's hands and it was a big, like all of a sudden my shoulders came down and I was like, okay, we're going to be all right and then we made this silly show about, what was it? It was called The Fashion Show or something.

20:57I don't think I got employed since doing that because I was so bad and I've got like full memory blank and was just shitting myself. It was stressful and Michelle hadn't done it either. But she was really confident. She's ended up becoming a comedian. Yeah, she's fabulous. I loved her. Yeah, I follow her. She's really funny. So then here we are. We're working together, right? ECOVA, Game of Loads, the Great British Dishwasher Debate. Talk us through that. Yeah, so we've basically been working with ECOVA for the last couple of months. They put a whole study out. You'll know this, guys. More than half the households in Britain have been having arguments about the way you stack the dishwasher.

21:38Yeah. We're no different. It doesn't stack it. All right, so what you just... I'll leave it near it. I'll leave it near it. That's one way of doing it. Something will happen at this stage. You're the kind of machine up fairy comes along. Puts it all in, yeah. Yeah, basically. So, yeah, basically all the hell, everybody's arguing about it. They've done this study. What it boils down, so I come from the kind of raccoon archetype, so I'm just chucking everything in, hoping it's all going to work out for the best. And now I'm neat. Dad's very neat. You're obviously a neat person. It turns out, retrospectively, I've found out, if you're packing it neatly, it's actually way more efficient.

22:13So it's better for the planet if you're packing it neatly. not only so now I have to eat my humble pie that actually dad was right after all. Well, you're staking kidney. Yeah, exactly. It's happening a lot, I tell you. And so, yeah, and then they also teamed up with Tetris to do this fully loaded version of Tetris. Obviously, you know, we would have played it when we were kids and it's quite amazing. I don't know if you've played it recently, but I hadn't played it for 20 odd years and immediately you're back in the zone. You remember all your tricks. There's all the little hacks. I used to have that phone.

22:43Was it the T11 that you played Tetris on? Yeah. Yeah. Weren't they just fully loaded? Like Tetris was like, it was like the iPhone when you got U2's album. It was already on there, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally, so, and then if you want to get, if you want to remind yourself how to do good stacking and how to live an ordered life, then Tetris is a great tool for that, basically. Yeah. I was talking to you outside and you were talking about obviously doing Celebrity Gogglebox as well. And obviously, that kind of kicking things off for you two really, again to do stuff together because we hadn't we hadn't been working together for quite a while and then you know and then our the agent just said like would you like to go on uh google box so i'm an hour i'm an hour yeah why not and then all of a sudden it we're back together again on the on the telly and here we are in the country with you two but i think there's nothing better than working with your family like our whole team yeah it's brothers cousins and i just think it's because even doing this Pete and I it's not often you sit down and talk about every like because you know you're busy with the kids you're going to work you're doing this but like once a week we sit down and discuss everything and I think it's lovely it's nice because you're always doing other things you never get time to sit down and actually discuss things we did it with my dad though Gogglebox and he was that on the PC he didn't even feature really he was just sitting there like I think Rich Seymour who's a bit too spicy for Gogglebox a little bit spicy just a little bit old school he's doing the X-rated version basically I couldn't be he just all of a sudden got Tourette's but it's like when he's nervous that's what he does he just went mental as you know with Gogglebox though it really is does feel like you're in the front room like the cameras are in the front room and the cameras are hidden there's no one in there with you and I think he genuinely just thought he was he was on the couch you know so you were there like tone it down a bit come on you know what I mean yeah it's good fun that show I love it it's amazing how many people watch it and so as dad said we haven't done things for we did a show together probably 17 and 18 yeah so a while ago doing this thing Britain by bike where we were travelling round and it was really lovely and then I've obviously set up a farming business been working in that for the last however many years which we need to discuss which we'll discuss and then And then, yeah, we got this opportunity to go on Gogglebox.

25:10And then out the back of that, we've had loads of great jobs come. So it's really lovely. And as you say, like getting to, you know, 100 years ago, we all would have worked with our families. Yeah. And for some reason, that is falling out of our way of doing things as a society. And I think it's a real shame, actually. I think it's a beautiful thing to spend time with your parents. I think it's authentic as well. Like, I think the way so many people resonate with it, it's an authentic relationship. And people like to see that. You can say what's on your mind, right? But yeah, just being able to spend time with your parents as adults, I think is also a really interesting thing.

25:43You know, like your kids now get, you know, someone becoming kind of, what are they, 14, 15 or whatever? 14, 10, 7, 6. Right, so that whole dynamic will start changing as they move out of being children and start to be their own person and then you build another relationship with them, you know? So that button gone again, babe.

26:04We just had a couple of pies. No, no, no, no. It's super weird. You come into Abby Clancy's house and you're just eating steak and kidney pies in the middle of the afternoon. You wouldn't think it, but she is. It's a weak Magnus on this button, obviously. Right, okay. Every time I breathe, it's just popping up. Because there was this terrible stat. Ross, what was that stat when it was like, by the time your kids are aged 10, 18, you've spent 90 % of the time you'll spend with them so like trying to encourage that relationship later on like kids with adults is great it's nice to be able to do that I mean there must be times where you you know if there's a washing machine needs stacking or a dishwasher needs stacking then there's a problem and that's the only time I get the job he said there must be times when you fall out about stuff dad's got hearing aids in and they don't really work so if you just talk to me I'll tell him what you're saying and then we'll just bounce it around you know eh half past three dad half past three yeah Tuesday is that just not a tactic men do though because Pete does that to me like just selective hearing yeah well it's what my old grandad used to call cocking a deafen and that's what you do what's he doing he's cocked a deafen yeah nice that's nicely said expression for everything yeah what are you like around the house Larry are you good with the dishwasher yeah I got trained by my gran when I was a little boy.

27:32I lived with my gran and my nan, like a lot of girls of her age, that period, that she'd gone into service from a respectable home. If you're from a respectable working class home, your mother could take you along to an agency where they hired girls into houses because loads and loads of people had help in the house. So my nan had gone into service. She already knew how to do things. But I went and lived with my nan and stood alongside my nan. And when I was 5, 6, 7, no, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, I learned how to run a household properly. So you knew how to buy all the meat, everything else you knew, and you knew how to do every little job.

28:09All the shoes, they were my job. I used to, when there were six people living in the house, I would clean on a Saturday morning. I would polish all the shoes in the house. You're taught how to iron, ironing shirts. You're taught how to, you know, mend everything. So, yeah, I'm all right. I'm all right on the housing thing. Yeah, so that's Ab's problem with me. He's like, I'm not very good. And our children. And our children. Very good at like banging them in top bins. But not like putting the bins out. I could have had a corner in from, you know, five yards. But even our kids are useless. No, but you know, like I'm good.

28:43I'm clean around the house. Like I tidy up after myself. I do. You're clean, but you're messy. No, but I do like in the kitchen, I'm saying. No, you know. In the bedroom. Oh, yeah. Here we go. It's a different show, isn't it? I'm filthy. I'm filthy. I'm totally filthy. I didn't mean it like that. I'm sorry. It's all right, too late. No, but our kids, like, when I was, like, Sophia's age, I could make a roast dinner, I'd, like, clean the house top to bottom. Yeah. She, like, she was just like... Yeah. It's because we don't make them. No. It's like, what do you want for... That was an expression that I never, ever heard as a child.

29:24What do you want for dinner? No, you just get what you're given. It was dinner. Yeah. right? Dinner is what you eat. But that's such a good, I say that to you, don't I? That's so right. Yeah. You don't. It's just like, nobody had a choice of anything. No. It's so, yeah, exactly right. Sausage and mash. Yeah. So what are the kids having for dinner tonight then? We had sausage and mash last night. Well, it was. I'm sorry. yeah. Have you heard what I said? Yeah, yeah, Not just any pie, that's good. TK's pies, yeah. So George, talk us through the farming because obviously, I suppose, you know, when I first knew you, when you were working with Ab, yeah, I didn't see it going that way.

30:03No, I didn't see it going that way. I think it had got a bit scary and said you were going to finish out with Farmer. Although George actually weirdly means Farmer as a name. That's what it means. So maybe it's all just some kind of fake. I was in my early 30s. I was doing all right on the telly. I had a whole kind of bit where I was just like, what am I doing in my life? I realized my star or I felt my star hadn't been called down out of the ether to become a game show host. And when Ilfond, you know, decided to renounce all worldly goods and had a big E pray love and, you know, go off to the East and try and figure out who I was.

30:40Had a couple of years, you know, exploring and introspective stuff and felt like I'd got some good downloads, was ready to come back to the UK and like, you know, get stuck in and try and be George 2.0 and see how I could be in service. and then I was like, just as I was coming back, I thought, you know what? Fuck it. I might just have one last summer in Ibiza. And so I rented a house there and then I went to, somebody said, come to this club. My mate's DJing. He's a really interesting guy and he's had some big life changes. I think you two will get on. Went into this club. He's literally, he'd be the same size as Peter, massive geezer.

31:19And he looked, he looked awful, right? But like not five-day Ibiza bender or fool, like just a man on the edge kind of like, you know. And so the first things I ever said to him was, are you okay? And he's my business partner now. He's called Andy Cato and he had a band called Groove Armada. I don't know if I said that already. He's DJed. He's been in the DJ booth. I've got a photo of me and him in the DJ booth and I'm pretending I'm DJing. And he's let me take the photo as if I'm DJing in front of the thousands of people. Okay, well, that's perfect. So is that the big blonde guy? The big blonde guy, exactly.

31:52And so he basically read an article on the way home from a gig, and it was talking about the industrial food system and how it's the number one cause for soil deforestation, soil degradation, and biodiversity collapse, basically. And so, unfortunately, the way that we're eating is actually wrecking the planet, and it's also making us sick. He decided to have a go at being self-sufficient, started a vegetable patch. the vegetable patch became a polytunnel. The polytunnel became a stall at the local market. And then before long, he decided that he was going to sell his publishing rights, which is basically your pension as a musician.

32:31And he bought a farm down in France. Now, when he bought it, he didn't know what he was looking for. And so really what you've got to look for is how much soil organic matter you've got. And to test the soil. And he didn't know to do that. And after 80 years of conventional maize, which is heavy duty industrial agriculture and a lot of chemicals, Because the organic meat doesn't, it depends on the grass because. Of course. If it's in the grass, it's in the cows, basically. Yeah, it's not organic. And the worms, as I've learned, that's the key thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The worm count. Worms are keeping us all, keeping the wheels on, guys.

33:05I love all this. And so, yeah, so anyway, he bought this farm. He was trying to bring it back to life. When I met him, he was at risk of going bankrupt, basically. And so he was DJing in Ibiza to make some money to prop the whole exercise up. And then not soon after I met him, he found this book by a guy called Sir Albert Howard, who's been dead for eight years or whatever. But the basic premise of the book was that plants and animals have developed over millennia, working together and finding a perfect solution. And when you separate them, you take this perfect solution, you create all sorts of problems, basically.

33:38And so he got some cows. And before long, this kind of sterile dead land was coming back to life. And they're eating and they're pooping and they're stomping and all the biodiversity and the birds and the bugs and the bees. And all of a sudden it comes back to life. and that was the bit where it was like hang on there's something here and and so yeah i went down to the farm met him saw what he was doing and and was just like i don't know anything about farming but i can help you and i know how to tell stories and to amplify stuff and so yeah and so we're now i don't know we met in 2013 he's now back in the uk we're a network of about 150 farms we've got this company called wild farmed um and we grow predominantly wheat uh but but barley and oats as well anything you can grow in arable and then we have a lot of livestock in rotation in in the system and and so you know it really ties in with with all the stuff we've been doing with ecov you know how do we how do we find ways where where like normal people everyday working people can do a little bit to try and move things forward you know we know we've got a big problem with the environment well you can just you can figure out where you're spending your money you know and and and you can make choices that really in life like where we spend our money is how we make our choices and and if we want to support a better food system then we can buy from from companies like wild farm then if we want to support a better um environmental system then we can buy from stuff like from from ecova you know like that's how we're that's how we're going to try and move things forward you you've just got to decide like that one's polluting and that one's actually you know sorting the planet out and they both do the same thing i want the one that that sorts the planet out i think the kids are so receptive to that now like all our kids like and if they bring stuff home, they're like, oh, that's too much plastic.

35:15This, I'm not eating that. Is that organic? Is this? Yeah, well, the word has got through to them, you know. They're canny and the word's got through. There's something to be worried about here. And they're saying, if these grown-ups start saying, what are we doing, what are we leaving to our kids and our grandchildren, we better be aware of what this is, you know? Slightly worrying times that the kids are kind of teaching the adults, really, like, about it. I think the only people who can teach you anything really are your kids. Certainly if you're a fully formed adult, you know, you're going to, you've got all your belief systems.

35:50You'll be locked into those patterns. You've been into it for a long time. Me coming as an outsider and saying, hey, I think you should do X, Y, and Z. Immediately you're going to, you'll be like, really? What's his angle? Whereas your kids, they love you unconditionally. And they're coming to you and they're like, mum, dad, I'm telling you, you've got this wrong. I think you really need to have a thing. And you might, you naturally resist at the beginning. But after a while, they're the ones, I think, the only ones who can kind of wear you down, you know? And they are so tuned in to all everything that's online.

36:19They're tuned in to everything. We're tuned in most of the time to really what we want to know, you know? But they have got it all around them all the time and they've grown up and continue to grow up with it. So they're always going to be slightly ahead of us. We want to farm. That's why I need you to convince me to give them life. I think it'd be amazing. Really? We will get there, I imagine. You know, even if, like... Shut your head. Yes, dear. But that's my dream. Great. What a wonderful dream. And he also started a charity with a big school out in the north of London. Yeah, I saw him. Great big, about 16 acres or something.

37:02And the whole project was to get the kids growing their own food and to have, like, a farm there with animals and everything else. And the interesting thing that I found is that the potential take-up of parents for that school, once the numbers of people that were coming to view the school with the idea of maybe sending their kids there, by the time that system had been working there, they were having to run two evenings to get the potential parents going to that school because the parents were hooked into it via their kids. That's a mega, that. yeah I think you should do it I think it'd be amazing really I laugh and joke about it like saying oh it's upstream and not mine but the thought of being somewhere like that and so peaceful living off your own land like it's a beautiful dream to have yeah it's hard work as well like you know like Andy talks about he says he's never been so you know philosophically or physically or spiritually challenged as he has been when he's been a farmer because all the time you've got to find, it's finding solutions, you're problem solving all the time as a farmer.

38:12And if you're doing it properly, it's about observation. So you're watching what's going on. For sure, you can read books and you can get information from other people. But you're - It's like experience, you need to be in their hamster. Well, that field here is going to be slightly different to the one who your mate's telling you that he looks at in Norway or Cambridgeshire or wherever it is, you know. So people can give you a bit of a steer on it, but then you've got to be there every day, see it, feel it. hang on a minute that doesn't work you know and and and uh and i think that's again that's something we've really lost you know like you know several thousand years ago we were all living outside in nature we were part of it our existence was we were totally interdependent on the whole thing and our understanding of it and so then we've moved further and further into these houses and we've become totally separated from nature and totally separated from the food system and no wonder uh you know nature's in trouble and everybody's getting sick everyone's getting sick yeah so larry i have to ask you about gavin and stacey obviously the christmas special was was incredible right i mean it was amazing yeah it was i mean i'm asked a lot about what my favorite scene ever in gavin and stacey was and that last day of filming that end when nine times out of ten when you're doing a tv series the first thing you're going to do is the end and the last thing you could do is the beginning right because they just do it all according to the locations but they'd engineered that so that we would be filming the last day and we always knew we'd be filming the last day on the last day of work and it was just extraordinary because they figured okay let's make it easy we don't nobody has to be learning lines worried about whether they're going to drop the ball you know what we're going to do is we're going to make this like a party and it was absolutely unforgettable for everybody and you could feel because like when you've been around the crews we didn't you couldn't always get the same crew all the time but there was a sort of a core the the the director and the first assistant director and the second assistant director were always the same people they were always the core of it right there and and then each time the crew came together they all became a part of this ever extending family and so you know halfway through the day most people are ready to cry and as it went ticked on ticked on ticked on all towards the end and then you know what you know clearly the audience don't see you know but when the dancing scene happened it was like come on so all the crew were in there you know and having the just the best time so yeah i mean it was that whole thing was unforgettable well why did gary's why did it resonate so much with the audience because it's all about love it's all about you know when i got you know we we won that you know let's blow the trumpet we won that national television award the other day you know and it was they'd asked me to say say something and i said to you look you know when ruth and james wrote gavin and stacy they created a family that everyone can belong to because everybody wants to be part of a big loving extended family and you can belong to this right and that's what it was totally inclusive because it wasn't about people who are you know who are pretending to be something there was no pretending there at all it was so carefully put together with all those characters and people would say oh and it always feels like it's real and and that's like that's the skill another one of these totally unknown skills that people have to put together a cast of people they think they just get a bunch of actors but to get you know you can imagine slotting those people to but finding that couple for playing Gavin and Stacey who had to fall in love on camera and you had to believe them falling in love.

42:03And if you didn't believe them, there was no story there. Well, finding those two people who didn't know each other, never been in a room together and get them together and then looking at it and thinking, yep, that's it. We've got Gavin and Stacey there. It's just extraordinary. I think what's so clever is that everyone's got like mates like Smithy, you know, all the lads. and also the, you know, your character, you know, there's definitely parents like that. You kind of, you put yourself in your own family and go, do you know what, this is exactly like us. Exactly. And they just got it right, you know, because they are so canny, those two.

42:42You know what we did before the England, we went away with England for the World Cup, Smithy came, James Corden come in and did that sketch. I was in that with all the lads, when he hammered all the boys. It was amazing what he did. where he came in and was just like we were told look this is going to take one take he's going to hammer you a little bit you've just got to try and not laugh and we stood there and he did it all in one take and we were like I was like what it was very fun it was very hard not to laugh and then we just got off on a plane for the World Cup I was like wow that was mad he's the pair of them the pair of them together they just I was you know I always referred to them as the dream weavers the pair of them you know they just very talented They watch something and then all of a sudden it becomes a part of something.

43:28So clever. Yeah, so this isn't the first time you've worked together. What other things have you done in the past? Do you know what, actually? The first thing we did together was that parent trip. You did that with your mum as well. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. Here you go. We went to India. Did you? Yeah. We went to Namibia. You were in the Amazon or something? When you were in the rainforest? We were in the desert. We were in the desert. The desert? The Kalahari Desert. That was an incredible show. Yeah. I mean, really, it was a fascinating thing to do. Oh, my God. Yeah, fascinating thing to do.

44:03But it was all going really well until they insisted, because we were with this tribe and they live right in the hinterland like nothing else is there. But they have to give you a farewell feast. So the farewell feast means they've got to go to their herds. They've got cattle and they've got goats. So they go to the herd and the chief goes to the herd of the goats and they bring a goat along. So they bring a goat that you're going to eat, right? Yeah. And then you have to help kill it. Then you have to help skin it. Then you have to help gut it. And then you have to help read in all the guts when they lay them out on the foot because there's a message in there about how your journey is going to go all the way back to Acton or wherever it is.

44:47But somehow or other I think they can transfer it to any place in the world. But anyway, so we're going back to London and they're looking at this. It's like, oh, and the other one goes, oh, no, no, no. And then they move it inside and they say, no, it's all right now. They move it because you're going to Acton.

45:08So then the next bit is we have to start the feast, right? So they get the fire lit and somebody gets what looks like an old paint pot that's been around. They found it in a dump somewhere about 100 years ago. And they put a bit of rainwater in it and start boiling it. And then the chief gets the machete. And evidently the key part for warriors on the beast is this bit here. They chop the breastbone out with the ends of bits of rib and all the rest of it there and pop that in the pot. and boil it, right? They just boil it and then you've got to eat it. So they only boil it for about five minutes and then they pull a bit out and he has the...

45:54It was pretty... I was a vegetarian at that point. No, no, no. But it was the roughest thing I've ever... It was really rank. Yeah, and Dad will eat anything because he was born in 1947 and even he was struggling. He was struggling. we were waiting for the dog to come around so we could just palm it off a little bit me and my mum were the same they'd like just dig a hole and get like some dirt off the street and like wash the pan yeah it was a campsite and i'm like i've never been in a tent in my entire life i'm not and i just burst into tears like i was like i can't do this i just can't not because i'm being a princess i'm petrified of anything i'm like oh really snakes and all that no not snakes just like being outside and like some like getting kidnapped or something you've got a film crew with you babe what's he gonna do but by the end of it i was galloping on camels and i come home and pete met me at the airport got home the house was a tip there was no food in the fridge and i was like pete these poor boys have been packing our campsite up every day then we travel on camels for like six hours a day then they'd set it all up then they'd make our dinner and he's been lying at home for two weeks and he's been and he's been and I was just like I've been working he's banging goals in my cinder babe yeah yeah I just loved it she because obviously David Day worked so hard like 12 hour days I'm like she came home and looked at me you're an absolute disgrace like because I hadn't bought I think tea or something milk milk there wasn't any milk in the house sorry I brought that one up because I actually don't think yeah then we went on to make a show called Britain by bike basically there was much less arguments about what and no we went we went traveling around all over the UK like we went to over two series we went to 10 different areas of outstanding national beauty and it was such a like we're so quick to get on a plane and travel halfway around the world and go and find somewhere that's really beautiful and got interesting people and all the rest of it and actually going into your own country and meeting people and working with people and like we were running sheepdog some days we were we were re-shoeing horses we were abseiling down things yeah i wasn't very good at absolutely i'm not very good with heights just me kind of like you know are you no good either i'm abby's horrendous but i'm i'm okay i'm not awful am i am i pretty well yeah yeah yeah yeah It would be a bit weird if you didn't like heights, wouldn't it?

48:32My eyes have been up there for years. I cannot do heights. Like, if you have to... There's no way. I don't know. Did you do it, Larry? I could do heights. I'm not worried about heights. Did you do the abseiling? Underwater. No, I didn't do the abseiling. No, I didn't. He was a specialist for that. You know, my thing is going underground is not my favourite thing, you know? I'm all right. Underwater or underground? Underground. Is it claustrophobic? Yeah, I can become claustrophobic. I can as well. It's like, but underground. Fortunately, there's not loads of people trying to make you do potholing all the time.

49:10Everything's all right. My poor old dad getting demanded that he's got to go potholing again. It's another potholing job. But yeah, that was great. And then I had a whole kind of breakdown and realised I didn't want to make telly anymore. where did you go so when you that part of my career right where did you go no but was it was it interesting i went yeah i went like i spent do you remember that uh i don't know i think danny wallace wrote a book about called the yes man where and so for a year i just said yes to whatever like if i ran into you and you were telling me something interesting you said i'd go you know like you should go over there yeah okay cool and i just followed my nose and followed my nose and then when i met people they'd say something interesting is happening over here do you want to come yes you know i spent a lot of time in latin america spent a lot of time in brazil now in the jungles went down went to uh spent a lot of time in thailand was in a lot of kind of retreats and all that you're right mate got a bit of indigestion yeah um and uh just trying to be in nature as much as possible you know and i was doing a lot of plant medicine and and and just trying to you know spend some time getting out of the environments that i felt you know even just this weekend being out in this little cottage i've just rented and being in exodus woods and just like i feel totally different and and i've spent my whole life i was born in the city i've lived in the city my whole life and and you you buzz or you thrive off that you thrive off your ability to know how to navigate the city and how to how to just to move at the same pace and then something happens in you at a certain point in your life where you're just like this thing's moving too fast I feel exhausted by just it and nothing I don't really see nothing's really happening and so I made a decision to just get off the treadmill basically and I was very lucky I'd had you know I'd been kind of financially successful for a few years so I was able to take some time off not most people and I didn't have any I wasn't I didn't have anybody who was dependent on me didn't have any children didn't have a big mortgage or anything is I was just like right, I'm going to go and be free for a few years.

51:19That was obviously the right time to do it. Yeah. To me, I like to go away and just be on my own, you know. People say, where do you like to go on the seaside? Empty beach. I don't want anybody else there at all, except maybe him, and a big pile of driftwood and a box of matches, and that's it. I sit there and have a fire all day long. How do you find it, Larry? Because obviously you are on EastEnders, right, where you people know who you are and think they know you and gavin and stacy right it's a huge show as you've been doing it for a long long time like people must come up to you all the time the interesting thing is that the people the people that that come and say something most of the time are people that watch gavin and stacy because gavin and stacy's audience is so broad It really, you know, I can walk into a room and I can tell by the way that people look at me if they're a Gavin and Stacey fan and lots to do with the demographic.

52:21You know, there's certain people who when it started, they were just going into their teens. So by the time, you know, they're mid-30s now, you basically know that there's a 90 % chance you become a part of their lives, you know. And so EastEnders is slightly different and people, they'll say, oh you were archer i've had people say to me you were dirty denham aren't you well no he's not quite but you know but he loves it he loves it is your answer he basically if he could have his his favorite job in life is just to go around and shake hands with people and have a chat that's literally all he does i was doing i'm doing this book promoting my book right and And a lot of the people that do that book thing, book festivals and the rest of it, kind of know how our authors work.

53:12Well, I work a different way. I go out the front when everybody's coming in, walk down the line behind them all and say, Larry Lamb can't come today, sorry, because then they all start turning around and it's like, so this whole thing. And then I go inside and I stand there. And like the other night I was in the country down in Devon and they said, we've got 300 people coming here tonight. It's all right. So I just stand there and I shake hands with 300 people. It's what I do. We discovered that my mum was adopted, so we didn't know anything about where she'd come from. We discovered that we came from a long line of people who owned travelling menageries.

53:54They shifted portable zoos around the country before zoos became the thing. Gosh. And so I was basically doing what my ancestors, my predecessors did, just the showman, right? And I never knew why I was in show business. I had no idea. How on earth? I always felt I was gate crashing at some special party, but I wasn't. In the blood? It's in the genes. Yeah. It's there. And I go in and say hello to people. Where are you going? If I go and say hello to 300 people and they're all sitting down there, I'm linked to them and they're linked to me and it just makes the whole thing feel so much different and it took me a long time to figure that one out I tell you well it's the same thing you told me when we were starting but now you're maybe just doing I'm putting it into practice because you were having to put it into practice then you know it's a hard thing because not everyone can do that it's a hard thing to do no but it's surprising what you can do if you force yourself yeah you know If you decide you're going to go one step further than your comfort zone, it's surprising how you can surprise yourself.

55:04It really is. Because it's like, particularly if you're going along to things like a festival of literature, you know, where people are writing books and they're there to talk about their book, you can be a bit standoffish. But that means when you get in front of them, they don't know you and you don't know them and there's a whole big bit got to get done first. you've got to get at ease with each other and you'll see people's faces if you don't do it. And you'll see them, all of a sudden you'll see some face down near the front and they'll go, ah. They've kind of clocked that you're all right because they're sounding you out.

55:41Yeah. Because they don't know you. But you shake hands with them. Hello, what's your name? Boom, boom, boom. You've got cold hands. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's 300 people there that know you. You're good at that though. Yeah, I think I'm not bad at that. He's a really successful footballer and he's eight foot tall. He's got to be good as hell. How are you doing? You all right? No, but if someone said to you, like, get up on the stage and come to 100 ,000 people and do a dance, you could easily do it. Famously. That's all I'm known for, I think. True. You just play them with pie and they'll be all right.

56:18Yeah, there you go. Right, guys, hopefully you can help us with this, but we have a thing on this podcast called the Agony Abs. This is where people write in and we try and help them. With their problems and we'll try and... Quite often, we're not much help, but we have a go. Hopefully you'll be living in over. Right. Hi, Abs and Pete. Absolutely love the podcast. I'm currently trying to conceive... Sorry. I'm currently trying to convince a totally different thing. I was like, I don't know.

56:55convinced okay i'm just gonna reiterate that my 17 year old to start a podcast with myself just to talk about mother-daughter relationships and our life through the years as she has been my ride or die through so much do you have any advice just a regular mum thinking of starting something that i think would be a hit love you both yeah good idea really good idea but don't you know don't it doesn't have to be a podcast start with a conversation you know really get to understand each other and i can think of nothing better to do than particularly at that stage of a 17 year old young woman you know and and chatting with the mum who's already gone through this whole thing of life and you know just to understand that the the power the hope the only hope for me in the world is that women, some or other managed to get back in charge of it.

57:47Because at the beginning, when we started to become civilization, the women were in charge. It was matriarchal. And then it all went a bit wrong and the guys have got hold of it. And as we know, you know, not necessarily, they may be good at football and maybe do it to all sorts of stuff, which, you know, all that, right. but you know there's certain things where you know going away don't leave them there and expect to come back and find the house is all in order right because they well i can't do that so to me if you've got a woman you know a mature woman and a 17 year old woman the more they talk the more they understand about each where the other one's coming from the more chance we've got this world gradually getting sorted out that's my opinion nice hi all my partners recently started having a kickabout at work during a lunch hour.

58:37They often have matches, 8v8, etc. However, sometimes it could be as little as 3v3. The group ages range from early 20s to late 50s. It's not even Sunday league level. However, me and my partner took the kids for a lovely walk in the local woods this weekend and my partner refused to go on the rope swing hanging from a tree as she didn't want to get injured and have to miss the football. It was a fucking rope swing. it's not that high off the ground Abby is there anything ridiculous Pete refused to do or join in with due to football or maybe more recently his tennis career I'm not talking skiing or bungee jumping we love the pod and I know she'll be listening in the gym well the only thing you won't do which I'd love you to do is get on the horses yeah no not for me it's not for me feet touching the floor no no it's not He doesn't like them.

59:33Like the thing is, I've been on four horses in my life and thrown off three times. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, like I think when I walk into the facility of a horse, it looks at me and goes, no way. Is that thing happening on me? It's not happening. Yeah. I mean, Frank Skinner said it, he was talking about me once, when going into a tackle with me is like throwing a bicycle at someone. Yeah. A lot of pointy edges is difficult. It's not all great. So I think a horse sees me. A bike on a horse. I think a horse sees me that way. Fair enough. Also, if you don't feel, I don't feel particularly comfortable around horses.

1:00:09Oh, God, I do. And so they feel it, don't they? They're incredibly perceptive animals. And so they're getting a weird vibe. You're giving the weird vibe off and then it's a disaster. When I go to the stables, they all walk behind me. It's like it's bizarre. It's the way it is. They sense it. They won't be used to seeing a two-legged person as tall as you. That would be something to do with it. because they don't you know they I totally get it it's bigger than me yeah I like them that height right I don't like them that height no who does I do she does thankfully 6 foot 5 minimum okay please keep me an honest these are always good these ones yeah I've got a domestic dilemma that's been going on for so long it deserves its own Netflix series I'm 46.

1:01:02My partner's 49. We've been together for 23 years. We've got three wonderful kids, 22, 18, and our little one who's eight. Life is busy, noisily, and mostly brilliant. But the battleground, without fail, is bedtime. When our youngest was born, she joined us in bed. Fine, I thought a few sleepless nights, maybe a couple of years tops. Except that phase lasted a full five years. Eventually, I cracked, said enough's enough. she's going in her own room parenting win should have been wrong because my partner promptly moved in with her and she's and she's been there ever since in a single bed that was three years ago I get that though so now I get that I get that I love sleeping with my kids so do I so do I but not for three years every night with your own set up so now I'm in this bizarre set up they're crammed into a single like two penguins clinging to the same iceberg while I've got the king size all to myself I stretch out like a starfish, hog the duvet I roll from one side to the other I live like royalty and I won't lie, it's glorious Here's the big question Am I an arsehole for not swapping or should I nobly hand over the king size and squeeze myself into the single and let them spread out?

1:02:31Or do I keep shtum and carry on enjoying the best sleep I've had in decades? I'd definitely go with that choice. Without a shadow of a doubt. I mean, that's unbelievable. I genuinely thought he was going to say, you know, I'm gutted. She's out the bed. But he's gone, I'm living the dream. I tell you what, I've been basically on my own for over the last, what, six years, and I could not get used to sleeping with anybody. Really? Do you sleep with an animal? Oh, God, no. Oh, no, no, no. He doesn't really like animals. I do like them, but, you know. Like a cat. Oh, no, not having a cat. Oh, no. Oh, no.

1:03:17See, my cat literally sleeps on my head. She just... You know, I know people that... Not by choice. I would prefer her not to be in there, but that's the way she just sleeps. My dad, if he comes to the house, he thinks it's revolting that there's an animal upstairs or in the kitchen. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I know people that are happily married that sleep in different rooms. Yeah. A lot of the reason they're happily married is going to sleep in different rooms. You know. Yeah. I think he should swap beds. What should he do? Swap beds. I don't have kids, so I don't really know. I don't know if I can, I don't know how much I can offer on this.

1:04:00Well, I mean, he's... Think forward and think how you would feel about it. Well, if my partner was off living in another room with the kid, I mean, I'd encourage her to come back. Yeah, exactly. I think he's missing a chicken. Leave the kid. They're both saying there, like, should I swap or should I stay? how about you try and get her back in the bed I think that's the vibe there I think it's just going to make it worse if all of a sudden your missus and your kid are in the main bed and you're in a single you're going to feel bad about your life yeah I take it as a fully grown man right well obviously he's got like a 20 year old kid when he's walking into the single bed huh no 8 it's got a super weird no they've got three kids older ones and the youngest is eight whatever they're old enough to be in their own bed exactly that's where they went wrong they went wrong by getting involved in that and allowing it to happen in the first we had this friend and she had a seven year old boy sleeping in the bed with her and he kept trying to breastfeed

1:05:33so where can we play this Tetris game you can play it on the on the ecova website you just go on there and you'll find you'll be hours later and you'll just be stacking away and feeling like a kid and then just imagine how efficient your dishwasher is going to work after this He'll be a changed man. Please, God. What else have you got coming up, guys? What have we got? I've got a TV series that's coming out shortly called Art Detectives. You wrote a book. I wrote a book. And then I'm starting to work towards publishing my first book of poems. So I've been starting to do my first poetry gig at the weekend and just writing poems about things that really affect me and things that I feel need to be addressed and, yeah, observations.

1:06:26I wrote a load of poetry in the 80s. It just came flowing out of me, all about my life as a little boy, how things, you know, affected me with my mum and dad being the way they were. And then now what's happening is I'm kind of revisiting some of those things, because it was a really, really hard time when I was a little boy. But when I was 36 and looking back at that time, and now I'm 78 and looking back at that time and writing poems about them that have, you know, as I've matured, I'm going about things in a different way. But yeah, so that's where my head is at the moment, is writing poetry.

1:07:09That's incredible. Fantastic. You write me poems. I do, yeah. It doesn't sound like it's not going to be as fulfilling. It's like Rosa, Red, Violets are blue. That's all right. Don't underestimate me. I've got far more in my locker than that. Exactly. You know, I'll just dumb them down for her. I'm going to go down. Such a twat. Oh, dear, oh, dear. It's going to be good. Oh, dear. I'd like to read that book. We'll do stuff together. I'd like to read that book. Yeah, well, it might be long. It's like people are pushing it. Yeah. because I write a lot about women and I keep on thinking, why is he able to write from the point of view of a woman effectively?

1:07:49You know, it's because the women in my life have really guided me along, have taken me along. I wrote an autobiography in 19, in 2011, and it was a big discussion going on between me and the publisher about what was I going to call it, and they gave me all these choices of titles. I said, no, that's not the title to my autobiography. Yeah. So what were you going to do? I said, it's Mummy's Boy. Oh, yeah. Because that's what I am. That's what I was, Mummy's Boy. And it's the women in my life that have made the world go better for me. That's so nice. And so I write things from a woman's point of view.

1:08:26Nice. I love that. I've got two Mummy's Boys. When it's published, we'll send you a copy of the book. We certainly will. Thank you so much. Well, thanks, guys. That was amazing. Thanks so much. Good luck. Nice one, guys. Thank you.