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2:16Abbey Clancy: Wayfair, every style, every home. Peaches said, oh, just been invited to the England-Spain game. And I said, I'll come. His face just went. That'd be nice. That'd be lovely. It's your fault for having two children. It takes two to tango. Hell yeah, it does. Abby, I know you have separation anxiety. How did you cope in Nashville? Save a horse, ride a cowboy. Riding cowboys. This goes to be pretty creepy. hello welcome to the therapy crouch i'm getting into it quick because some of the gold is is kind of it's getting lost so you said potentially gaz could be on the verge of man's no no i was just gaz is just you know gaz tell us a story you had sleep paralysis last night yeah last night oh my goodness it was a long story short i heard wailing like a banshee in my sleep horrible screaming so i turned to my girlfriend in like what felt like slow motion and was trying to say can you hear that and then i looked at her face in real life she was just fast asleep but in my mind her eyes were wide and she was staring at me like a ghost from a film and i wanted to tell her you're scaring me but i couldn't get it out so i was and i kind of tried to move my arm up and everything i was just stuck and frozen in this moment and then about an hour later i came to and she was like rubbing me and basically saying like consoling me so uh like a Night terror?

3:41I guess maybe it's more that, but like fixed in pipe. I couldn't move. So then...

3:46Abbey Clancy: So was she, were you screaming at her or was she screaming at you? I was screaming at her, basically. I was trying to. I was trying to. In my head, I was saying it loud. It's like clear as day. I was like, I'm terrified. What's going on? And then in the morning, she said, oh, you weren't making any sense. You were just like trying to talk, which is weird, right? Like quite muffled. I tried a little whiskey before, but I don't know. A few scoops. Two jars. How did we end up though off air with him having man boobs. No, because Chris said what that is, it's, you know, when you're asleep, it's your...

4:16Abbey Clancy: Hormones. Your body gets flooded with hormones to keep you still in your sleep. I am quoting this from Chris. I don't know this as factual. Don't take this all as gospel. Never, Chris, he's thinking it. Chris is our sound engineer, not our doctor. But it's when your brain hasn't caught up, so your subconscious is awake, but your body isn't yet. Is that right? Yeah, pretty much. Okay. Then he said he's hormonal. So I said I'm hormonal. He said he's got too much estrogen. And I said, are you starting to sprout? My areola were expanding. Do you know... Have you been leaking recently? I've been leaking a lot lately.

4:55Abbey Clancy: All boobs don't leak, Pete. That's only when you're pregnant. This is funny. I'm expecting. This is funny if he was leaking. But if you're starting to get like little pointy boobs, it will be because you're drinking too much tap water because it contains so much oestrogen because obviously from women who are on the pill, they have wheeze and it goes into our water system. And even though the water's cleaned and filtered, whatever, Is this a wives' tale or is this factual? No, this is true. It's not factual because people wouldn't drink from the tap if it was completely factual. It is factual. I understand this is a potential thing, but it can't be factual.

5:31Abbey Clancy: Sam, is this factual? Is the oestrogen in tap water? Because it definitely is. That's why so many young lads have got man boobs. Well, that's an interesting topic of debate, but I think there must be room for error on that statement. I just love the way you turned to me and went, do you know tap water gives you tits? And I was like, does it? That was an off-air statement. Go on, is this true? Whether there's debate, whether it does actually cause spikes in estrogen or not. There is room for debate. However, there is notes on reducing it, so you can filter your water through normal filtration and also boil your water.

6:04So it's enough for there to be, I guess, advice on whether to do, but there is an argument. What I'm saying is a conversation. It's a topic of debate for the therapy crowd in a safe space. You get mobs off our water.

6:17Abbey Clancy: Yeah, but you just had asked him if his penis is going back in. Yeah, that was off air. I was again an off air statement. Making me out to be this horrible person, asking if he's grown boobs. This is something we were discussing kind of off air. I'm not sure. I'm still not sure if I was willing to say that one. Have I ever had one of those night terrors? I don't think so. Have you never? You snored a lot last night because I was awake all night and you slept well last night. Snored? Do you snore? Not normally. Just when you're wrecked? After a three-day bender, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm the same.

6:54Abbey Clancy: Yeah. Yeah. But no, terror-wise, no. You snort like, I just don't understand. And like Pete is like, I would just be having a full, like when we were lying on the sunbed in Mallorca and I'm having a full blown conversation, we're lying together. And then I haven't even finished my sentence and he's fully snoring. And he's just less than a half a second ago was responding to me and having a normal conversation. Like how you can go into a snore sleep. It's so deep like that. So quick. Yeah, I suppose it is a skill. My dad had it. I class it as an ability rather than a you know you do wake me up when I'm snoring I don't you do I just do that yeah that's what I mean I think that's like that's not what a partner should do no I do it and then pretend that I haven't done any and he goes I'm like what I've done anything you've welcome me up I do know I do know exactly what you're doing I love that snore sleep though that's what I mean it's perfect for me because I'm recharging there you know that's like and to get kicked in that manner is not acceptable could you sleep on the team bus when you was playing or would you get pelters would they would you get pranked yeah i mean listen you know we moved back down to kind of london when i was playing towards the end of stoke and um when i was kind of when i was coming back from um from start to get the train I had millions of pictures of me fully asleep on the train gone someone would just take a picture and post it back to me you're a mouth open sleeper is that a problem?

8:35Abbey Clancy: no it's not I just like I sleep with my mouth closed I've got a picture if you want to see yeah go on so Lucy and James came to visit us before they were leaving and they said they didn't want to wake us up because this is I mean I haven't even seen this picture here we go I'm going to guess. My mouth's wide open and Abby's like a dainty. Like a little angel. Like a princess in the pea. Her smile's indicating that. With a beautiful little face. It wasn't like that last night, let me tell you. I don't look beautiful at all.

9:11Is that in Mallorca? You do look beautiful. Got a great ass. You sound a Brummie then.

9:17Abbey Clancy: You do look beautiful. You always have your mouth open, but you sleep on your back. and I think when you sleep on your back it's like a vampire like this do you on your back perfectly straight like a dark he sleeps on his back with his mouth open and the chin varnishes down his throat

9:40fucking hell honestly Jesus let's get into these fucking whatever they are go on

9:48Abbey Clancy: we haven't said any weekly wines because I've got one you shouldn't ask me anything It's a totally different scenario. No, we're doing one today.

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11:48Abbey Clancy: Pete just said, oh, Pete just got a nice little message. He said, oh, I've just been invited to the, um, England Spain. England Spain game. Um, I said, oh, how many? He said, me plus one. I said, I'll come. His face just went. Oh, yeah. That'd be nice. That'd be lovely. Are you sure, babe? I said, oh, that'd be nice. Oh, yeah, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? So, that was my wine. Like, you just really hit me. might be. Is it? Yeah, but you winded me up. No, if I got two tickets to something, got two tickets to Lady Gaga, I want you to come. Yeah, but I think, I don't know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that I could do that.

12:29But I just don't, I don't think in Spain would have excited you. I think that's more like, you know, I've got two tickets to the, um, Gun Show. The Fashion Awards or the Interior Design Home Show or the Chelsea Flower Show.

12:43Abbey Clancy: You love the Chelsea Flower Show? Yeah, I do like the Chelsea Flower Show. That's a bad example.

12:50I don't know like the the Gardens of the Year Awards or something I don't know I just think

12:57Abbey Clancy: stop making things up it's England Spain I'd love to go there see our champions our world champions play again I'd love to see it I'd love to revisit so this is difficult because I'm actually going to completely you're not going

13:14brilliant let's be completely honest about it you're not invited but then I've got one you know obviously my lad Johnny is obsessed with Lamin-Numal yeah and Jack's I would suggest probably loves his football but Johnny this could be the game changer I don't know how it works now

13:34Abbey Clancy: why didn't you just text the man back and say I've got two sons I need two yeah yeah yeah but I'm just obviously I will do that but yeah or you could just do a daddy daddy and Johnny day and just not tell Jack but then I'll be stuck with Jack all day crying and I can't be arsed with that I hear you I do hear you on that yeah it's your fault for having too many children thanks I think it takes it takes two to tango hell yeah it does can I

14:08oh you guys

14:09Abbey Clancy: right go on ask me things alright I will okay and on Manchester dear abs Pete and Gaz love the pod love the Ellen Scott episode My wedding is in six weeks. And my mother-in-law has bought a dress and it's white. White. A bit like this cream debate Elle was going on about with Abby. Anyway, it's floor length white. When I very gently mentioned it, she said, oh, it's ivory. Like that's a defence. Like I can't see. And then she said, well, nobody will be looking at me anyway. Which is exactly what someone planning to be looked at says. my fiance won't say anything because that's just how she is how do I stop this woman from turning my wedding into a two bride situation without starting a war I'll be fighting for the next 40 Christmases I think his son just has to call the mum and say look no one is allowed to wear cream at the wedding cream, ivory, white any other colour they can wear and he's just got to grow some balls and do it I think most people it's etiquette not to wear that yeah my outfit for Elle's civil was butter lemon oh yeah I remember listening to this it wasn't cream um you can dress it up all you want no but my you know I just think it's bone was it bone was it bone it's not bone monument grey oh god I I I understand I know this argument right yeah I don't get it if I'm entirely honest right so why not is my, why not?

15:46Abbey Clancy: So the bride, she's the only vision in white ivory cream on her own. I don't personally get that. It's just tradition and it's etiquette. Whatever suit I'm wearing, for instance, right? If someone else wore that suit, wouldn't be arsed one better. Well, everyone did wear it. It was Elsa's black tie to every member's in a black tux, a black dicky bow. Yes. And it just looks so slick. It's just etiquette. It's just tradition and manners. Yeah. Is ivory white then? I always thought it was black. What is ivory? What is ivory? I thought it was a rhino's horn. What colour is it? Numnots. I don't know.

16:27Look at the colour of ivory.

16:29Abbey Clancy: Ebony is black. Ivory is cream white. Nice, okay. Bone. Got you. I thought the horns were black, no? Dark grey. A rhino is a black horn. I've never really seen one, to be honest, Pete. No, it's a... Truth be told, mate, I'm not... I've never seen a rhino in real life. Been to a few zoos, maybe, but yeah, I haven't looked at the horn. Have you not? I genuinely don't know what the... A rhino's horn is probably grey, yeah? I'm going to Google it. An elephant's tusk. Well, an elephant's tusk is definitely ivory. I don't know if it's made of ivory, but it's definitely... It's not white. Like, that's...

17:07What colour would you say? Oh, God, what would you say that is?

17:11Abbey Clancy: That's not a real... Well, I suppose that isn't... That's not real hard. I suppose they are the same colour as... They're actually not... So I'm thinking of an elephant's tusk, really. So what is a rhino's... I ain't got a clue. It's made out of keratin. Keratin? Same as your hair and nails. Is it really? So, yeah, I just assumed it was ivory. But an elephant is ivory tusk. Okay. What colour are your nails? That was a question someone threw to me. It depends how healthy you are. If you're really healthy, they'd be whiter. Okay. If you've got weak nails, they'd be more clear. Oh, really? Is that right?

17:51I thought clear was good and white was bad.

17:55Abbey Clancy: No, if you have white dots, it means you're lacking in calcium and some kind of vitamin deficiency. But your nails, where it grows, it's quite white because your nails are so strong. Where some people's are more clear if they're thinner. You've got a lot of keratin. Well, I think my best qualities as a human is my nails. Your toenail's like a fucking elephant's tusk. It's unbreakable. Unbreakable? You couldn't break my toenail. Unbreakable. Nice. That was a good thing or a bad thing. A lot of character. I'd just call her up and say, listen, you, you're a witch. You're not wearing white to my wedding.

18:30Abbey Clancy: End of. That's how the nails actually went to go. There you go. Good advice. Happy Pete and Gaz. I hope you're all good. Getting ready for the kids to go back to school. I recently discovered your podcast and absolutely love it. I'm from Neston on the Whirl. Cue the warm plastic Scouse and comments. No, we're bigger than that. You are. I love hearing the familiarity of the Scouse accent. Actually, Liverpool, not Whirl. I just wanted to say thank you for what you do. My 14-year-old daughter went away for nearly three weeks this summer, which left me at home alone with all Cavapoo. It was the first time in my life I'd ever really been on my own.

19:07I grew up with lots of siblings over the past 14 years I've always had my daughter for company this might sound strange but I discovered your pod about a week into her being away and after that I genuinely stopped feeling as lonely that's nice isn't it that's nice to hear every episode makes me laugh I listen to you help me realise that I'll be okay on my own Avi I know you have separation anxiety and often speak about being a par from Pete on the pod how did you cope in Nashville thanks

19:35Abbey Clancy: save our hearts Ride a cowboy. So riding cowboys. Riding cowboys, that's how I can survive. That's how she can. She can have me pretty quickly. To get over someone, you have to get under someone. Whatever that saying is. No, I actually didn't. At night, I cried. Really? Every night, I was like, what? I think, you know I did, because I was on the phone to your FaceTime and said, don't be so rude. I was, I think I was fine in the day. i've finished are you gonna continue to lie no um so i in the daytime i was fine because it was full of act we had so many activities going on and but every time i got into bed at night i was like might as well have a nighttime thing when it hit home yeah yeah and then i just you know miss my kids miss my husband but you know i was there for my sister i'm not a big one of going away without Pete or the kids like on girls trips and stuff like that it's not really it's not overly for me I prefer just like all our couple mates to all go together don't have as much fun without you I'm a terribly homesick person aren't I but it's nice to know that our pod seems to help with that yeah a lot of people say that I think because people can relate to our pod you know we have the same issues as most couples and people can see a bit of themselves in us and that's how they like and it makes it feel like home yeah nice to hear okay um this is from mac and mac from chiswick hey guys hopefully you can help me quick dilemma i need you to help solve i've got a friend i've known since we were five we're now 45 and i've slowly realized over the last year that we've drifted apart to the point where i now want to block him and delete pictures of him off my phone oh gosh here we go i won't bore you with the detail uh but we are basically brothers so close we've hung out twice a week for the past three decades very recently he announced he's going through a divorce he had an affair on his wife and i discovered he kept using me as a cover-up whenever his wife asked where he was going on these late nights so when his wife who was also one of my best friends found out she naturally accused me of covering up for him and I had absolutely no idea.

21:55Abbey Clancy: It's hard to break up with a friend, isn't it? There's no mechanism for it. No text you can send, but I think it's the right time. So do I fade it out slowly or is there a kind of way to let a lifelong friendship go? I honestly don't know and it's been weighing on me. Mac Chiswick. Tough one. See, I think it's hard, isn't it? Especially when you're in friends as couples and knowing what that... Let's all be honest, having an affair full stop is not the right thing to do. it's not morally correct. You know, it's not a crime if relationships break down and people don't want to be together. But to go behind someone's back, use a friend as a cover-up is not right.

22:35Abbey Clancy: I actually don't think they need to split up as friends. I think they need to talk it out. Like what led them to do that? Why did he use him? What was he thinking? This isn't like you. Why didn't you tell me you were unhappy in your marriage? I think I think they just need to talk The problem is here is obviously like Mark who's like done nothing wrong you know like he's just been the kind of victim of the blame and then all of a sudden he's lost two friends there you know what I mean which so just shows you that kind of thing is going to hurt everyone around so yeah oh well it's it's one of those things I think I think you don't have to let each other go I think time can be a healer I think it would be hard letting a friend who's been your best friend for 40 years out your life.

23:25Abbey Clancy: I think he needs to get a deeper of understanding why he's done this. Talk it out. Talk it out. Everyone blames the best mate for stuff. Yeah, to be fair. Yeah, that's great advice. That's really good advice. This is heavy. What you need to speak to him. And, you know, if he's a really good best mate, you know, you listen to him and he'll hear him out. Yeah. That's what you can do. Yeah. Sage advice. We've got Grian here, is it Dublin? Is he Grian? Grian. He says, Dear Dut, Tim. Do you want to have another stab at that? Do you know Dear Dut? He's not German, is he? No, he's from Dublin. Is he Gaelic?

24:04I imagine, but I'm not. You pronounce it Dear Gwich, if I'm not mistaken. Have you heard that? Did they say that when you went to the wedding? Is this hello? No. Dear Gwich, hello, yeah.

24:13Abbey Clancy: Hello. Hello. Okay. It's from Dublin. as we guessed. Got a question for Pete really but all of you can weigh in. I play Sunday League and we're right at the bottom of the pyramid. Absolute dregs of football. As a result, we get no audience or much of anything as it goes. Last week I scored what can only be described as the greatest goal of my entire life. 30 yards, half volley, top corner and it doesn't exist anywhere. No footage, just a bunch of blokes and a few people walking dogs witnessed it. That's the only record that'll ever exist and it's killing me. Pete, you scored some crackers on telly forever.

24:51You always have them to look back on. How do I cope that mine only lives in the memory of 22 men and a few Dusham? Because I think about it every single day. Did you score a corker in training that no one else saw for whatever reason? Mr. Guy, Grian? Green. Yeah. South County Dubs.

25:13Abbey Clancy: Oh, I remember when you did that trick and we got it on the CCTV camera. You kicked the ball from one side of the garden onto the trampoline. The trampoline had a basketball net. No way. And you did it first time. That was unbelievable. Second time. And we got it on CCTV, through the hoop. Yeah, it was unbelievable. So yeah, it had a loop there. Yeah. And it was inside the... So it's a big trampoline with a net around it and inside the trampoline was a basketball net. Good 30 yards out. Jesus. Maybe just clipped it. Proper trick shot. Staped through. Second time that was. Oh, my God. First time videoed.

25:50That was unbelievable. One of my finest moments. Have you released that? Yeah, I tweeted about it. Did you? Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, amazing. It was my brother-in-law, I couldn't believe it.

25:59Abbey Clancy: That's so hard for him, though. It's a killer. I hate those moments when you do so amazing and no one sees it. And no one sees it. Yeah. I don't know if you remember this, the Tanta years. So you're really too young for this, but you had to kind of like, they took over like from Sky for a little bit. Yeah, Satanta's ball. And it was like Satanta's ball. Yeah. And it was like a match to the day on me. I almost lost a match to the day. And it was like ITV. Football went a bit weird for a while. And I scored one of the best goals of my life in the Satanta years. And you know, you go like, you have the Sky years.

26:33Yeah. And they're all the goals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you think sometimes you go, oh, that's that year. And the year before, what a Satanta year. So one of the best goals I've ever scored in my life was in one of those Satanta years. So they won't have the rights to it.

26:45Abbey Clancy: So what? Was it filmed? It was Lost Forever. So it was Lost Forever. Where's that gone now? Where is Satanta gone? I think it's still in Ireland. It's an Irish channel. Is it? I'm sure we can get that footage. Let's call it out. It was a bicycle kick in to Stoke. Was it? I've got that picture. I think it's on YouTube. It's very similar to my one against Galatasaray. You love doing them, don't you? I do. I hate to do that. I used to love it. I used to love it. You could break a bloody bone, break your ribs. Oh, overhead kicks. I wouldn't like to do one now. But by then, it was like, I was fine.

27:24Did you love it? Loved it. Just launch yourself in the air. Yeah.

27:27Abbey Clancy: It is quite remarkable how high footballers can jump off the ground. That picture we've got at home is basically horizontal. Did you just say horizontal, huh? Horizontal. Basically horizontal, huh? Well, I might reshare this trick show. Hey. Hey. I think we should reshare it on the social. Yeah, reshare the one where I clip it in because it's in our garden. Yeah. It's a great moment. So I'm really rubbing it in for old... I'm agreeing. Agreeing now. I'm really rubbing it in. So, listen, keep going. Those men will live on in their memory forever. And that is all that matters. Exactly. Exactly. And you know, and I believe you.

28:13beautiful are you okay yeah what's on your mind should we go for dinner should we quickly get something to eat before we go and see the kids oh you should

28:23Abbey Clancy: what have I had today it's probably an off-air chat this one I've had half a crumpet that's it half a crumpet I've had a cheeky Nando's on the way home he'll be alright well I thought that was a nice ask me anything still recovering from the wedding and this little got a golf trip on the weekend Have you? God, your bounce back ability. Fair play to you. You can't say ****. I think you can. You can believe it if you want. You can. You can. My language is so bad. No, because posh people listen to this and they're appalled by my language. I think they've said every now and then if I'm on a golf trip, I'm allowed to be all ****.

29:02Yeah. It's an applicable word. No, it has been fun. I've got estrogen, I've got tits and rhino horns aren't white. Yeah, yeah. I got that so wrong. Sorry, I was hammering you and they're actually not ivory, are they? They're part of their skin, aren't they?

29:16Abbey Clancy: No, they're not. That's called a trunk. That's an elephant trunk. Oh, fuck. I'm really going to read off on my animals. Yeah, me too. Jesus. Okay. Okay. See you next week, folks. Yeah, we'll see you next time. Ask me anything. Shabbat.

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