The Guest That Accidentally Put The Podcast To Sleep!

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1:51Abbey Clancy: I've got a whole afternoon looking at some knobs today, which is going to be great. all day. I'm looking at knockers, you know. Do you know what? If I want to get my beautiful wife on top of me, all I need is a blackhead. She's all over me like a rash. You'll never believe it. I've just got a message from someone who wants to have a quick chat. Do you mind if I just put you on the laptop? No way. Oh my God. Hi. Obligado. Hello and welcome to the therapy crouch with me abby clancy me peter crouch and me gaz how are we oh you got your legs out today i've got my fins out today no more linens no linens he was asking the girls yesterday um if we think he'd look like a toddler if he wore t-shirt and shorts so we were like well what else are you gonna wear in the heat no are you with me on this actually you're in a t-shirt and shorts so maybe my theory doesn't hold water but women on holidays wear beautiful dresses beautiful outfits and men it's just t-shirt shorts like little rugrats i just feel like Tommy Pickles or whatever he's called just like or deal Pickles so what you want to wear linens so I thought yeah linens and some sort of like crazy get up I don't know but then I boil my you know my arse off sweating away you've always got your legs out that's my wine actually this morning I got up you were nowhere to be seen and I got a text you had a tennis lesson it's like still not over getting beat no I just I just thought when I squeeze it in I just got I got involved with a little lesson today.

3:20Yeah. Just work a few things out. Making a few too many errors. What was it? Double faults or something? Was it last time? Is that what you're trying to iron out? My serve was my forte back in the day. And that's, it's not, it's not quite there yet. So I'm just honing. Are you one of these guys, if the first serve hits the net, you're going as hard second time or do you go lightly second time? No, it's not light. It needs to be, that's the problem needs to be kind of a different serve you change your grip and maybe do a kick serve why do they do

3:53Abbey Clancy: the second serve later well so because you don't want a double fault do you so the first serve is like should win the point if it goes in really and the second serve is more like the percentage needs to be more in and out and less speed hmm yeah yeah it's all really interesting stuff it is you were straight and with it is that your wine the fact that I wasn't there this morning yeah i rolled over for my nice morning cuddling you did you leave me oh that's a lie where's my coffee bitch that's more like it that's more like it but you get the kids ready will you nice do you have a wine um well i suppose that really just you know kind of leave it you know I know we do different jobs in the morning, but I feel like maybe I'm probably doing too much.

4:51Probably doing too much in the morning.

4:53Abbey Clancy: Really? Yeah, I think, you know, mornings used to be my own. I used to watch you get the kids get ready. Look at my wife and children, they're beautiful. And do something else. I feel like I've been really, I've really been integrated into that morning now. The kids are kind of at this phase in their lives where it's like three against one. Obviously, Sophia gets up, does her own thing. She's not... Lives to some degree, does her own thing. But they just say no to me. Do you know what does me in? So I'm like, Pete, I need your help. Yeah, this is my actual one. That one was, yeah, semi-true. But my actual one is packed lunches for school.

5:36Bullshit. School dinners. No one likes school dinners, do they? I love school dinners. I do as well, actually. I know lots of people don't.

5:44Abbey Clancy: I had, like, sausage chips and beans for about 15 years of my life every day. Unbelievable. With the sponge cake with the icing on it. Yeah, yeah. When we went to high school, you used to take money in and buy it, like a canteen. Like, the first school was free. Well, not free, I don't know. It was free or not. But I felt you probably paid it kind of through, I don't know if you did pay. Tuition. Maybe it was free. Every school's a bit different, I think. Yeah. Every single one's different. But anyway, the first school. But the second school, I remember you taking money. I'd take in£3 or£2.50.

6:12And you could buy a burger at break time. I'd do a burger and a pizza at break. A burger and a pizza? Yeah, then I'd go healthy for lunch.

6:20Abbey Clancy: See, my mum would give... Why am I not the size of a house? My mum would give me like 20 quid for the week. And I would blitz that on Monday. Would you? So I'd go to the tuck shop, buy loads of sweets. And then I'd go to the dairy every morning and get this big piece. You know, those, like, meat slicers, they used to have this big turkey, and they used to slice it off, and then you'd get a big, massive barm. Wow. Big, white, floury barm. Sounds good. And they'd put all the turkey on salad, loads of onion, loads of salt and pepper, and then I'd eat that, and they used to do this chocolate cake, homemade chocolate cake, which is just sponge with, like, the chocolate icing.

7:00Abbey Clancy: Yeah. So I used to have that every day before school, then have no money for dinner. So then I'd go round to all the kids, excuse me, can I lend 20p? for like 20p and then you'd like make up your pound for your dinner and then I'd have no bus fare so then I'd be like have you got 5p to let me 5p I was one of them oh no bless you I used to buy like 20 Wham Bars Wham Bars and all of that and just have no money that Wham Bar rip your tooth out that deli sounds banging though like a fresh roll the dairy it was called the dairy we had one near us Westside Pitsanga Lane has a great sandwich it was good Top sandwich.

7:38Oh, nice. Still going. Herman, mate, we're in India every day. Ooh. Could believe the exact same. I love a sandwich.

7:44Abbey Clancy: It's my favourite thing. Yeah, a fresh roll. Yeah. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, good sandwich. Big doorstop one. Yeah. Yeah. I can't have... If I make my own sandwich at home, though, I like a Warburton's toasty bread. It has to be that soft white bread, but loads of layer pack and ham. Mm. That'll do me. I like a crusty one. Yeah, a crusty carb. The bakery where we live is phenomenal, isn't it? The sandwiches. Those sandwiches. Ham salad. That ham salad's the one, isn't it? I'm starving now. Do you want to hear some audience wines? Yeah, go on. These wines are all ick-related, by the way. Ick-related.

8:24The icks have popped off, must I say. Icky, Icky, Icky, Icky. Ew, wait. People love an ick. Snoop Dogg. Okay, hi Pete and Avingaz. Nay point beating around the bush. Let's get right to it. Me and my husband were watching TNT. There are other channels available, and Pete was on. And we discovered our first Pete ick. Ooh, first Pete ick. We have to ask Pete, what's the issue with the mic? Pick a hand and stick with it. The thing was getting tossed back and forth like a tennis match. So you, Pedro, were our biggest ick. Loved the pod, but Pete just hold the mic in one hand. Were you not doing this?

9:01This is something that I've had quite a bit recently. Really? Yeah, the other one is on the football pod. Yeah. It's me going, when we've got guests, they'll be talking and I'll just go, I'll be like this in the moment. That's so, you know what? I did see a comment.

9:22Abbey Clancy: It's better than, when we first started this pod, your heavy breathing was outrageous. So do you know what? I've developed a bit of a complex because of this. I've had a few people saying to me what's the fucking deal with your hmm because obviously I obviously do that in real life but with a mic it's a bit different if you do it you do it to me when I'm talking at you and you're not listening this is what I see from you hmm hmm hmm there's a few habits that you only notice on camera right it's like I think yeah it's something that so now what I do now is I try and I try and leave the mic oh do you well so I've still so I'm still going mmm mmm but not in the mic see my can't hear it yeah exactly the thing I pick up from you when you're doing interviews and stuff or more serious work is the amount of times you blink yeah everyone watch it now from now on even look back why are you bringing everyone's attention to my fault it's our fault no but it's our fault so Pete will be like I do what Do you know my mates?

10:33I've just switched mic hands by mistake as well. Oh, look at him go. But like, let's do all three. I'm looking at you, right? And then when I talk to Gaz now, like I've just left the mic there. Oh yeah, seamless. Right? Seamless. So, but it is, I do get it. I do understand the mic.

10:55Abbey Clancy: That's not an ick though. I don't think it's an ick though, is it? Let's be honest. It's obviously pissed Andrew and Leanne off. It's an annoying habit for people maybe, but it's not an ick. Well, I just think there's worse, isn't there? To be honest. You know? I was listening to someone on the radio yesterday and it was the first time she'd ever been on the radio and all I could hear was... Oh, yeah. What's that called? Dry. You could tell she had no spit in her mouth. And it was like... Oh, I didn't even like that. The noise goes through me. Mastication. Oh, Jesus Christ. But you know when I first started, let's be honest, right, I'm not professional at this at all, right?

11:36So, you know, we've done it a while now. Could have fooled me. But you know what I mean? So there's not like, I'm not polished, is what I'm trying to say. So when I, certainly when I played football, when I did an interview after, I think I've got better, but I used to blink nonstop. Bless you. Bless you. Nonstop blinking. I don't know what I was. Maybe it's a nervous thing when you get, you know. I don't think you can change it. I think literally, try as you might, you'll never be able to change it. I never blink. I just think when you're not thinking about what you're doing, you're thinking about the other thing you're doing.

12:11So that just takes over. Yeah.

12:18But I've really tried to stop that. Imagine if you didn't do it. You'd just be staring at them without making a sound for like five minutes. That is my point.

12:26Abbey Clancy: But you say that when I'm doing a photo shoot or something, I'm like... No, so when Abs stands next to me, right, and it's quite often when it's, yeah, like someone's taking a picture, she'll stand next to me and I can just hear her kind of, it's like a noise for each pose. She goes, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. I love it. Does that help you get into the flow of it? Must have. No idea. I don't know. Oh, I love that. I think it's a smile, but not a smile. Yes. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. We're not polished. Like, look at the kip of us, what we're wearing now. We're like fucking stylish. We've got no clothes.

13:09Abbey Clancy: I arrived here with 12 suitcases and I've got nothing. Yeah. I genuinely, I haven't got one smart jumper. Really? Smart jumper. Not one. They're all hoodies with like, you know, the fitness club. Sports brands, yeah. Yeah. Fitness club. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, God knows, I've got to... I'm just wearing a tennis outfit now. Yeah. Oh, well. We'll get you down the shops tonight. Piss off, Leon and Andrew.

13:36Jess from Hull. I have an ictusher. I was staying with this lad from work I've been seeing casually, and the other day his mum came round and said to him, how are your toenails? Do you need me to trim them yet?

13:49Abbey Clancy: Say that again, sorry. I was just looking at kitchens. You weren't interested at all, weren't you? I've just got to sign off my kitchen. I gave up whining about that. My new kitchen. I just lost that. It's literally like a sixth finger. No, we've got our new house in the UK and I'm very excited. It's my dream home we've been waiting for for 15 years. And it's getting very exciting with Jo, who's helped me do it. So just the anticipation when she texts me with something wonderful. and incredible for me to sign off. I'm like, oh. It's like Christmas Day. I've got to look at handles. I've got a whole afternoon looking at some knobs today, which is going to be great.

14:33Nobs all day.

14:35Abbey Clancy: Yeah. Might change the habit of a lifetime. All different shapes and sizes. I'm looking at knockers, funny enough.

14:44Oh, you guys. All right, I'll start that one again then. I've got an ecto shirt. I was staying with this lad from work. I've been seeing casually. And the other days, mum came around and said, how are your toenails? Do you need me to trim them yet? Like, what do you mean? Your mum trims your toenails just from home? Have you ever done Pete's toenails?

15:05Abbey Clancy: All the time. Yeah. Yeah, but I think a wife and... Yeah, but I think if you're an adult and your mum's still cutting toenails, I think that is maybe beyond... I think a wife, like, you do all stuff like that to me. If I've got eyebrows, they get plucked. any ear hair nose hair gets ripped out spot let's be honest a spot you don't get spots really no but if there is one you're quite you're all over it like a rash yeah do you know what if you ever want to get if I ever want to get my beautiful wife on top of me here we go all I need is a blackhead oh yeah she's all over me like a rash

15:45oh god

15:47Abbey Clancy: do you remember when you had that spot in your head and I've got the whole family in like to squeeze it and I even had Lucinda on FaceTime because she's equally as gruesome as me and we wanted to see what came out. Oh God. Everyone loves that. I'm sorry. Yeah, what's squeezing this spot? Female, yeah. I couldn't do it to a stranger, but... No. She's FaceTimed. She FaceTimes her sister. Lucinda. Sophia will come down for it. Lib will watch. It's a show. Yeah. And Ab will be on top of me like pinning me down. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Sick, sick man. You sick, sick. I'm not a man. Sick. What did I say?

16:26Abbey Clancy: You're a sick man. No, I think I said, I wanted to say mad and sick at the same time and I said man, sick man. Stick man, you mean? I don't know what that, yeah, but yeah, you are, it's a bit mad, isn't it? Yeah, I think mums should not be trimming grown men, grown adult sons' toenails. I'm sorry. I think we're all in agreement. But it depends, though. He's probably mortified, doesn't he? Because if you really like your mother-in-law, it wouldn't be an issue. But if you hated her, it'd be like, that's so fucked up. No, but I think you just, you know, when it's a little bit old and stuff like that, I think he'll be mortified by her, his mum saying that in front, you know what I mean?

17:06He's probably done it all his life. He's just, if you're around, you're like, oh, I can stay in those times. Because you'd do it to Johnny and Jack if they were 30.

17:14Abbey Clancy: Johnny's nails grow like you would not believe. I have to trim them at least once a week. Really? But he's got like 10 heads of hair. It comes in threes, doesn't it? Skin, hair and nails. You don't, you have good all three. You don't have good one. Yeah. I've got shit nails, shit hair and shit skin. Like, as a rule, thin hair. You don't? I do. What are you on? But Johnny's like you. Your nails grow so quick. I had a mate before we went to Magaluf, who's 18. I went round his to pick him up for the airport. and I came in, he was topless and his mum was there shaving his back and a little Tupperware of water and she was just like refreshing the razor and doing it.

17:52Now, where do we stand on that?

17:54Abbey Clancy: I think that's fine for an 18-year-old. Do you think? As long as it wasn't as nuts she was shaving, it's fine. I just think mum's so great, aren't they? Me and my sister waxed our John's bum. His bum cheek. His cheek? He's got a hairy bum cheek. Just the one? No, both. Oh, right. He's like half man, half wolf, but only on his bum. We pinned him down. We thought it was hilarious. He was dripping in blood, bruised. It was so funny. All right, let's do one more. Charlotte S says, hi, Gaz, Pete and Av. Just wanted to share a quick that happened recently. I'd love to know Avie's thoughts on this. My partner was looking at his phone recently with concentration, so I asked what you're up to.

18:41I think it must be fairly serious, what he's reading. Turns out he was tracking the flight of the football team he supports. The worst part, it's not even an international flight, they're only going down to Southampton. What on earth? This man doesn't even know what flight we're getting on to go on holiday or even what airport we're flying from. Yet somehow he's casually monitoring a football team like he's clocked in for a shift at air traffic control. P.S. Love the pod.

19:06Abbey Clancy: How would you even know how to do that? Do you know Chris Stark from the Peter Crouch pod? He does this. He looks like a flight tracker, though, to me. But you know what? You know what's good about it, though? Reeks of it. You know what's good about it, though? Is that you can track, like, you can track, like, Air Force One and stuff like that. Like, private planes. If you get the number, you can track, like, he's tracking, like, Elon Musk and things like that, like, travelling across, like, the world. You can track various planes. So weird. It's strange, though, isn't it? It's amazing, though.

19:40I guess so. but it's a strange fascination, isn't it, to just want to know what's going on.

19:44Abbey Clancy: They're called plane swatters or something, or train swatters? Well, I imagine they're called plane spotters. It's plane spotters, isn't it? You'd have a great time here with the amount, you're on the flight plan, aren't I? I know. We must say, in case you can hear it in the background, there is some noisy, literally right on cue. I don't know if you can hear it. I wonder what that is. Yeah. It's a Boeing 318.

20:06It's quite interesting. When you watch, I think there's a screen.

20:09Abbey Clancy: Is that called flight scanner or something like that? Something like that, yeah. Yeah. It's quite interesting. That's cool. But, yeah, checking his own football team. It's quite interesting if you're a serial killer. Like, why are they? Checking his football team's hilarious, isn't it? Yeah. The fact that he doesn't take any interest in where he's flying. That's another level of fandom. It's like Claire knows how to do that, because I'll be like, has Pete landed yet or whatever, and she does a thing that you can look at to see if the plane's landed. Yeah, that's easy. I can do that. It's flight status on whatever airline you're flying with.

20:42Abbey Clancy: All right. I do do it. Oh, my God, guys. You just checked me on Life360, anyway. You'll never believe it, but someone wants to say hello to you. I've just got a message from someone who wants to have a quick chat. Do you mind if I just put you on the laptop for a sec? Is that okay? Thank you. So, guys, this seems like a perfect time to hear from our sponsors. And if you're liking what you're hearing, like and subscribe.

21:09I'm Dr. Susan Swick, a child psychiatrist and the host of TalkAboutable. This season, I'm talking with parents and experts about how we tackle the everyday challenges of raising kids. We'll get real about those pebble-in-the-shoe issues we all face as parents and how to build resilience and community through our own experiences. TalkAboutable Season 2 from Lemonada Media. in partnership with Montage Health and their Ohana Center for Child and Family Mental Health is out now. Pool days call for cookouts and lots of laundry. This Memorial Day at Lowe's saved$80 on a Charbroil Performance Series 4-Burner Gas Grill.

21:50Now just$199. Plus, get up to 45 % off select major appliances to keep dishes, clothes, and food fresh. Having fun in the sun is easy with us in your corner. Our best lineup is here at Lowe's. Ballot through 527. While supplies last, selection varies by location. See associate or lowes.com for details.

22:12So guys, in a previous episode called Abby's ASMR, we had listeners write in and tell us how they found your voice really relaxing.

22:20Abbey Clancy: Mine? Yeah, yeah. Mine? Like your voice? Do you remember that? No. So anyway, you told us how you found someone's voice very relaxing, a particular man on a particular app. So I'd like to introduce you guys to... You haven't got Chibso Carriquet. Oh, my God. Hi. Hey there. No way. This is Chibso Carriquet. Oh, my God. Are you guys sitting comfortably? Yes. I listen to you every single night. There you go. Well, I am sleeping with quite a few people around the world, as long as you're okay with that. I'm not exclusive, but I'm glad to be joining you and Peter Crouch. And by the way, what is that Aussie, horrible Aussie accent you've both been doing on your show?

23:11Did you not like it? I'm from London. Choose our car, Guy. I thought that. I thought that. Like, when I'm hearing you now, I like... So it's not Australian? No, no, no. I was like, what a stitch-up. I was like, yeah, I feel very honoured to be, you know, to be on your show. But, yeah, I don't like these accents that you've been doing. Hey there, this is Chibzo Kerrigue. Are you guys feeling comfortable and lying down and beautiful? No.

23:39Abbey Clancy: I am flabbergasted. I was going to Australia when I was sleeping and I was in Australia. When I've heard you now, I can see you quite clearly from London. Yeah. So, yeah, I have been in Australia for about... I've been in Australia for about 20 years, and now I've been back in London for a couple of weeks, so my London accent is probably a little bit stronger than it normally would be. Oh, so it's not completely out of nowhere then, the Aussie thing? It's not completely out of nowhere, no. It's definitely not what you guys were doing the other week. Jesus. Yeah, yeah, we definitely stronged it there.

24:15But you know what? Genuinely, like, she's been across all the apps and everything, like sleep, you know, resting. What's the word? meditation and genuinely the the voice that that sends you off to sleep is is yours mate so what what's the deal with that well i didn't realize i actually didn't realize right so i thought i was the stress and burnout expert the mindfulness expert and that's what calm wanted me for right you know because i'm this you know thought leader in this space turns out no i've just got a pretty voice and nice teeth so they decided to uh to employ me but i only found that out about maybe about a year in they're like oh can you do a voiceover for us for one of our adverts i'm like i'm trying to speak to my mates i'm like that's really weird i wonder why they want me to do a voiceover for their advert and they're like what are you talking about why do you think they hired you in the first place i'm like yeah i thought it was because i was a burnout expert but no so is that is that your uh role like what would your role entail like what's your quantification turned into more sleep okay so i've kind of done that seems to be yeah there's kind of two sides of what I do so it's mindfulness for I guess high achievers um and it's kind of my whole shtick is how do you shoot for the stars without burning out um so mindfulness for high achievers there's stress and burnout so how do you stop burning out um and then there's the sleep part and that's what you know it's it's probably my favorite thing to do I do love the idea that I'm going to bed with millions of people around the world not in a creepy way but um you know it is you know I do feel very privileged and you know it's a beautiful thing like it's one of the like I remember when I had my you know when my little my daughter she's now 17 but when she was little one of my favorite parts of the day was actually sending her to sleep you know when she was falling asleep you know the chaos has all ended and you know and then I just see her go from that chaos into sleep so yeah so it's a really beautiful thing to be part of people's you know wind down routines and sleep routines because it's a real problem for

26:32Abbey Clancy: everyone oh it is and it's a new thing for me because obviously like generally we go to bed put the tv on you know watch like a box set and what what depending on the type of thing you're watching it could either rile you up and you then or it could be scary so you can't sleep so we started this let's go to bed let's just listen to the calm app and but the thing is i'm awful at apps i actually paid for like the upgrade so i can have loads of options but there's only like four of you well there you go have a word with calm you know i know but i'm like the needs because sometimes if i wake up in the night i'll listen to maria lupes drifting back off to sleep.

27:14Abbey Clancy: But, you know, I've tried them all, but yours is my favourite. Yeah, well, you're going to have to go onto YouTube then. I've got like a big YouTube channel and there's probably got hundreds of sleep meditations on there. So I've even got ones. So Crouchy's going to be really happy about this. I've even got ones which go all through the night with me talking softer and softer. So listen, I love you to pieces, right? I do love the voice and stuff like that. But it gets to the point once I have to sleep, I've got to turn you off, mate. I don't think I last for 30 minutes because I do the 30-minute one.

27:49No, you don't, because you'll go to sleep and then I'll have to get across to you. Because the other night I thought,

27:53Abbey Clancy: oh, I haven't had this bit before. So I must have stayed awake longer that night. Longer than normal. Yeah. Because I prefer the sleep one and the breath work. I think that really, really helps. I think it's incredible, more so than the tenser muscles and release one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that makes me more awake, I think. And that's the thing. everyone's so different when it comes to sleep so that's why I've got you know I've made so many different styles and lengths and types and background sounds at meditations because everyone's really particular you know and my audience in particular is is very sensitive I think you know so there's a lot of um it's a very kind of female skewed audience um there's you know I guess it's mainly kind of 40 to 60 years old is the kind of you know my kind of my youtube analytics shows me i am part of that demographic unfortunately only just babe yeah but um you know and it's um you know and i think sleep gets more difficult around that age for both men and women but i think particularly women and so yeah that like there's this kind of sense of safety that people need to feel before they can get to sleep a lot of the time and it kind of yeah it gets it gets more and more difficult as we get older so yeah it's um yeah it's really really important and i'm yeah really privileged to be kind of you know part of this and to have found this this lane for me to really focus on for the rest of my career yeah chips have you got anything you know so for our listeners um who maybe haven't heard you as we hear you most evenings is there anything you can give them for a little a little taster of chips or caracol yeah well I won't um I won't do one of my sleep meditations because you know we want to keep the engagement up but what I can do um so as I say what I do I'm a stress and burnout coach so one of the most important things that I get my clients to do is to do little micro breaks during the day just to keep ourselves kind of balanced and relaxed and kind of focused so how about we do like a minute or two quick meditation and you can see how this see how this feels and so yeah i'm all over this okay sit back and relax pedro sit back and relax all right so i will uh i'll start this with my trademark hey there i'm chib zocara okay welcome to today's meditation right love it so just get yourself into a comfortable position you can have your eyes open or your eyes closed if you are going to have your eyes open just Just have a soft gaze in front of you on the floor, because for some of us, sometimes when we close our eyes, the mind gets even busier.

30:38So feel free to leave the eyes open if that makes you feel more comfortable. And I just want to start off by checking in. So how is the body feeling right now? We're not trying to change anything. We're not trying to make anything happen. We're just noticing what the body is feeling like at the moment. So is the body relaxed? Is the body tense? What's the mind like? Is there lots of thoughts going on in the mind or is the mind kind of quiet? So there's no right, there's no wrong, just checking, just noticing. And let's notice what the breath feels like right now. So without changing the breath, without slowing down or deepening the breath, how is the body breathing right now?

31:33Is it a slow breath? Is it a rapid breath? Are we breathing into the stomach or into the chest? Is our inhale longer than our exhale or is our exhale longer than our inhale? So we're just noticing.

31:55Now what I invite you to do is to slightly deepen and slightly slow down the breath. So we can slowly breathe in through the nose and slowly breathe out through the nose or the mouth.

32:15Breathing in through the nose and breathing out through the nose or the mouth.

32:25Let's take one last breath in and a slow breath out. Keeping the eyes closed if they're closed, just notice how does the body feel now? Is the body more relaxed, less relaxed? How's the mind? Is the mind busier? Is it more quiet? Again, there's no right, there's no wrong answer. So we're just noticing. And whenever we're ready, we can gently crack open the eyes and come back to the room. And let's take one last breath in together. And a slow breath out. Welcome back, guys. So how do you feel after that?

33:12Abbey Clancy: Great. That was amazing. Jesus Christ. It just really chills you out, doesn't it? I think that's the best one I've ever had. There you go. That really was. That was a live Chibso Carriquet special. I tried a lot more for the live sleep meditation Chibso Carriquet, by the way. I can't believe that, mate. I genuinely cannot believe that. If you've got a manic day and you just sat there. Five minutes. On the calm, you can do all different time. You can do two minutes, 30 seconds. and it just puts you back into a calm state genuinely you know this is only a two minute long meditation so it doesn't take long to give ourselves a little break you know and it's not necessarily going to get us from a 10 out of 10 stress down to a zero but sometimes it can just get us from a 10 to an 8 or an 8 to a 6 but sometimes it performs magic right but you know Yeah, it does.

34:09Abbey Clancy: It definitely does. And I think the whole guided meditation is so much more beneficial, especially for me, because I could not sit on my own and do that. I would have to be guided. It's like, you know. I just genuinely see the benefits of that there. Like you say, two minutes there. I think another couple of minutes there and a little bit less noise around the house. I think I could have been asleep. And then I could have a 10-minute sleep set my alarm. have a 10-minute sleep and be back. If you think about what it does to the body, like resets the body, stops all like the cortisol spiking and all the manicness going on.

34:50Abbey Clancy: It does work. That's why I listen to it every night. I do get it. Yeah, good. That was really amazing, mate. Well, that's class. Yeah, glad you enjoyed it. My kids listen to it as well now, don't they, as well? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right, Chibs, listen, that was fantastic. I've got to ask you about hot chocolate.

35:12That sounds a bit weird, doesn't it? It does. It does. But I've been told to ask you. Click that.

35:25Abbey Clancy: What's this hot chocolate about? I had no idea. I've just been past something to say, ask him. Well, funnily enough, we've just done a soft launch in America, so I've got a product coming out. And it's Sleep Hot Chocolate. So there you go. So completely on brand, of course. But yeah, I'm really excited about that. So we've just, yeah, as I said, we just launched it in the US. And it's, yeah, it's a beautiful, delicious hot chocolate that can kind of help you wind down before bed. It's got all these kind of great superfoods in it and sleep supplements, magnesium and inulin. And yeah, a bunch of different things.

36:05And yeah, so I'm really excited about launching that. Unfortunately, it's not going to be launched in the UK for a while because we've just had to go through all the different regulators. So it's FDA approved. But yeah, now once we've launched that in the States, then we'll launch it in the UK next. But yeah, excited about that. I'm sure we'll definitely have some of that. Yeah, amazing, mate. Listen, Chish, please keep in touch, mate, because we'd love to have you on again. I think this is really going to resonate with people. I think people that maybe are a little bit sceptical, and I have to say, I have to include myself in that, about meditation, about kind of helping with sleep.

36:39Abbey Clancy: I just think because you don't know about it. I think because I've not been kind of educated about it. Like that two minutes, I think, is going to go a long way, definitely, to changing a lot of people's perspective on this stuff, you know, and thinking they're all right when maybe they're not and maybe a bit of help could help. Well, that's it, yeah. Well, you just mentioned it, thinking you're all right when you're not. So, you know, we tend to, especially when we're stressed, we get into this autopilot, right? and then we don't even notice when we're stressed. We don't notice when we're hungry.

37:07We don't notice when we're tired. We don't notice when we need a break. So that's why mindfulness is really helpful and just, you know, as I say, even a couple of minutes in the middle of the day can make a real difference. Yeah.

37:18Abbey Clancy: And for someone like me who is completely manic and I've got like very strong willpower or like I never thought anyone would be able to get in enough for it to have a positive effect. you know because I thought I was too headstrong it would never work and when I tried the meditations on my own it didn't but the guided stuff and especially you know if you're a busy person a parent you've got multiple tasks on your hands it's a perfect way to wind down at night, clear your head and have a deep sleep and it really really is beneficial for your body so thank you again for coming on and it was great to be with you guys with us.

38:02Abbey Clancy: Yeah, amazing. Top man, mate. Good luck with everything. We'll see you soon. Thank you. Take care, guys. Bye. Thank you so much. Bye. Right, well, Chibs Okarake. See, I told you. You converted. From London. Chibs Okarake from London. No, but he has got that Aussie twang. And he's lived there for 20 years. Exactly right. I don't even think he knows how Aussie he is. Yeah, it's very Aussie. But it's... What a legend, though. You are completely converted, aren't you? That little two-minute thing was, I think, almost better than the apps. I wonder what it is. It must be a certain tone of voice that resonates with, like, the human body, because there are authors or speakers or whatever they're called on there, which I can't even listen to the voices say, hello, and I'm like, oh, off.

38:52Yeah. So true, though. You know, you know. Yeah. You just know. It's a calming voice, isn't it? Yeah. You know, it's people's persona as well. You know, like you can be with someone and you can see the, like, and you're on edge and you can feel the tension. Whereas if there's someone that just goes, come on, like, relax. Relax. Don't need to be like this. You know, like, it just puts everyone at ease.

39:18Abbey Clancy: That doesn't put me at ease. It makes me want to strangle you to death. I wind you up here, but that's just marriage. That's just marriage, isn't it? Like, at first I did calm you, didn't I? You were a very anxious person and I brought you down to a calmer level. now I just wind you up with my calmness yes so obviously that's not going to work whereas Chibs is you're not calm you're just freaking I'm calm uninterested you're going to say I'm not calm you are calm no because you when we were first going out you'd say I was calm now you say I'm uninterested yeah that's fair that's just marriage and time together always love a calm voice what about radio voices where do you stand on them you know like hi good morning hi hello yeah wire me up oh my god wire me up they sound like Scream if you want to go faster!

40:02Abbey Clancy: No, not for me. I can't stand a manic. Because there's some radio stations that you listen to and they're on their own in the room. They're not even with people. And they do not stop talking. And it's such a phony... It's contrived. It's the one where they think that they're on their own and they're not having a good time. They pretend they are. You're right, yeah. They don't want to be there. There's a couple of radio stations that, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I think it's changed a little bit now. I think because they know we're onto them. Yeah, absolutely. Should we get into some agony abs?

40:37Abbey Clancy: Yes, please. Hi, Abbie, Pete and Gaz, big fan of the show, and I've listened since the very first episode. Your wedding episode from early on has inspired me to send in this dilemma I'm having with my wedding guest list. I need your advice. Me and my partner are getting married next summer, and we need to send out Save the Dates ASAP. We want to invite two couples. Let's call them Tony and Trish and Scott and Sophie. Fake names in case they are listening, of course. Both couples are close friends from different friend groups. The issue is Tony and Sophie used to date each other. That is until Tony cheated on Sophie.

41:13Firstly, we are worried about Sophie being uncomfortable having to face the man who cheated on her again. And we aren't sure how she will react. Secondly, I know that Trish is a fiery girl. and we are afraid she won't be happy seeing her fella's ex in the flesh because it will cause drama. Thirdly, we don't know if Trish knows that Tony has cheated in the past and we don't want this to come out by accident and for things to kick off on our big day.

41:38Abbey Clancy: Tony and Trish cannot go. Tony and Trish. Well, they say here, we can't imagine our big day without them. But all the priority here is not having drama on our wedding day. What would you do in this situation? Do we make the decision to sack off one couple or because Tony couldn't keep it in his pants. Yeah. Any advice would be great. Okay, so it looks like Tony has caused all this drama by not being able to keep it. Tony's been costly. Tony has got to go. It's a no for tone. It's a no for tone. Simple. No one wants drama and beef at the wedding. No one wants, you know, bitchy new girlfriends potentially attacking the ex.

42:18Why don't you speak to Tony and say,

42:21Abbey Clancy: Tony, you balls this all up. This can't happen. And I think he'll be like, this can't happen. He said, why don't you take, is it Trish's girlfriend? Or Sophie? One of them. Whoever you're with, take that one on holiday when the wedding's going on. Just take her mind off it. Go away. And we'll just invite the other couple. With that in mind, though, let's say like divorced parents, but then the kid gets married and wants them both there. but let's say someone had an affair or something, that's what led to it. Would you still invite both? Well, that's why I wasn't. That's a difficult one, that. Yeah.

42:58Abbey Clancy: I still invited my mum and dad and they were split up. They just had a table each. Yeah, but they're way past that now. Yeah. I mean, I think if it's pretty raw, imagine you, you know, it happened and then they got married, you know, a year later and you need your mum and dad there with their new partners. Oh my God. That would be hell. And I reckon that happens a lot. Oh yeah. Must do. must do it's a common problem but i'm just obviously because my sister's getting married and we've just been doing the table plans and there was all that oh but i need my mom with me but then my dad will be upset and i want my dad with me and then the scots mom and did it and i said what you should do is just do what we did for our wedding we had because that's a long chunk of the wedding the meal the speeches you want a cracking table yeah so we we had our best friends made of honour best men on our table.

43:50Abbey Clancy: Then we did my dad and my dad's side of the family on one table and my mum with my nan and my aunties and all of that. And then Pete's family at their table. And they were all with people they wanted to be with. And they enveloped our table so everyone felt like still in pride of place. And it just made a lot of sense, but everyone was happy. I think that's the way to do it. what I would advise certainly with our wedding is don't it's a no dickhead policy like even if you've got an uncle you feel like you should advise uncle no bed uncle no bed yeah he should not come unfortunately you have to be ruthless they're going to get over it this can't happen this could be absolute drama there could be you know when you see some of those fights and stuff like that weddings that's potential to escalate and you don't want one of those weddings where people are fighting no No, I'm with you on that.

44:46Fair enough. So it's maybe leave Tony out of the equation this time. I think you should speak to Tony.

44:53Abbey Clancy: Or if they didn't want to say that to him, they could just send out the save the date with a week later. And he turns up to the wedding a week after and they go, oh my God, there was a massive error with the invites. They could do that. I like where your brain just went there. That is genius. Evil genius. Okay, well, let's move on. The Clans do by Dez and Gazza. I might stay anonymous for this one because my wife does occasionally listen to the podcast. Occasionally, cheeky bitch.

45:30I've been married for just over a year now, but we've actually been together for 14 years. We got together when we were both 15. We've all had a really solid relationship and I've never given her any reason to doubt me or think I'd ever play away from home, so to speak. Recently, though, I took over coaching a local ladies football team, well, Gaelic football in Ireland. I absolutely love it. I enjoy coaching, being involved with the community, and helping the team grow. But ever since I started, my wife has grown very jealous and uncomfortable about the whole thing. She hates talking about it.

46:04She gets awkward whenever it comes up, and I can tell it's genuinely upsetting her. The problem is there's genuinely nothing going on, and nothing ever would. I love my wife to bits. Until it does. I love my wife to bits and I also really enjoy coaching. I don't want to give it up if I don't have to. At the same time, I don't want something that's meant to be positive causing tension in our relationship. So I suppose the question is, how do I handle this property properly? Do I keep doing something I enjoy and hope she comes around to it? Or should I be looking at things differently? And how do you reassure someone you already feel like you've never given them any reason to not trust you?

46:40love the show and not on it's a tough one isn't it it's a real tough one yeah because he's not done anything wrong and he enjoys doing it but I think it's probably put an opportunity

46:53Abbey Clancy: in the way maybe do you think though? yeah because you know if the wife could potentially think oh you know he's leaving me to go and teach these women they're probably all having a laugh what if he just you know has a little spark at one of them and then it goes a little bit further and then it's like, should we grab a drink after training? Because nothing's ever happened until it does. You can't go through life like that. You know? No, I'm only trying to think of what she might be thinking. Letting her sort of toxic thoughts invade her brain. Yes. Like what could happen. Yeah. Like Benny like Beckham.

47:30Did you ever see that? And like she falls in love with her coach, do you remember? Keira Knightley. Yeah, Keira and Jasminder, they both love the same coach, don't they? I don't think I've ever seen it

47:40Abbey Clancy: have you never seen it you should watch that it's good it's so good it's a bit like it's like a it's like a love story it's not a football film yeah well you know it's barely football related yeah yeah I will I watch it it's good it's set like near Ealing is it Hounslow I think she plays for yeah might well be yeah six degrees of Ealing but then on that relationships are a bit of give and take if one person in the relationship is doing something that really makes the other one sad they should try and re-evaluate it. Why don't you integrate her into it? Like you know be, she can be The ref? Some sort of coach or something as well.

48:25Like just get integrated and involved in it all. You know just calm down, you'll love the girls get on with them. I'd be like what?

48:32Abbey Clancy: Love the girls? Why? What's so special about them? Why would I love them? So you're basically saying you love them? I wouldn't integrate you, no. I'd have to... I know how difficult that would be if it was me. Well, that just couldn't happen, would it? Just couldn't. I'm going to coach a load of women. Try coaching yourself first, loser. You've missed a few games lately. Average. Well, you know, I'll tell you what, I loved having Chibs on there, you know? How good was he? Yeah. Great, wasn't it? You know what we should do? I genuinely think like send in maybe some questions for him and we can maybe get him back on.

49:10Yeah, some kind of dilemmas, sleep dilemmas,

49:15Abbey Clancy: how to turn off your brain at night, how to get through the day without feeling overwhelmed and overworked and burnout. If our audience send us some things and we could do a full session with him. Nice. And help our audience because it honestly, like it's changed my life. I think if you take 10 minutes out of your day, you think about how small 10 minutes is, right? You don't even need 10. I know you don't need 10, but I think you should have a little power nap as well. So you do it for, say, he just did their two minutes there. I reckon another one minute I'd have been asleep. And then set your alarm for that 10 minutes.

49:50We had a sleep coach that came in to football once and he said, you have 10, 15 minutes of deep sleep. It's as good as like four hours. And it just gets you going for the rest of the day.

50:01Abbey Clancy: For a lot of people, a 10-minute nap in the middle of the day is impossible. An hour's lunch break. If you could get, do you know what I mean? You have an hour's lunch break, you get a bite to eat and do it 10 minutes. I think you can do it. I think anyone can do it. They even do like 30-second resets where it's just breast work and it just... It does reset you and it gives you more energy for the rest of the day. Yeah. Agreed. 100%. Yeah, get them in. Write them in. Write your questions for Chibs and we'll try and get them back on. All right. Well, get your questions in for chips and we'll chips you later.

50:37I don't even know what that means.

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