

29 Jul 2025 · 1h 1m · 36 chapters

GK Barry and Ella Rutherford discuss GK’s “I’m a Celebrity” experience, their relationship as a “fellow wag” couple, and the pressures of public life. They also chat about family life (school events, sports days), UK heat and sleep, and mental health/laughter.
GK Barry is a TikTok personality/podcaster (Saving Grace) who says her initials became her username to avoid bullying; she later blew up online. Ella Rutherford is a professional footballer (former England/Women’s football pathway advocate) and GK’s girlfriend/partner.
GK says “I’m a Celeb” was “one of the scariest” experiences, especially sleeping outside in a hammock and being covered in bites. She describes a trial involving being locked in a box with water, eels/water snakes, and padlocks. Ella says football crowds are intense and that women’s football pathways have improved since she started as the only girl in a boys team.
Glastonbury being missed; sports day wins (dad’s race, tug of war); a “crystal shop” visit during GK’s show; and the “box filled with water” trial lasting about 45 minutes.
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Discussion on GK's experience on I'm a Celebrity.
“You know, I've got to eat five square meals of days to look like this.”
Hosts share personal anecdotes about children's events.
“Fresh on today, still got the label on, you know that.”
Discussion about children's sports events and activities over the week.
“And I had, Sophia had a tennis match at nine.”
Conversation about the hot weather and living conditions in the UK.
“So I dropped Jack off, dropped Sophia off, went back to get Jack, went and got birthday presents for these four kids parties that we had.”
Discussion about missing Glastonbury and thoughts on performances.
“Any extremes like snow, gridlock, heat, we can't breathe.”
Hosts reminisce about their experiences with the band 1975.
Discussion on the band's talent and song quality.
Lighthearted discussion about local phrases and culture.
“People don't like people who speak the views.”
Reading and discussing an audience submission about hangry partners.
“But then he comes home and I'm like, you know, it's early enough for us to, you know, spend the evening together.”
Discussion about food cravings and dietary choices during outings.
“That's not what you don't want when a game is good.”
The hosts share their food cravings and experiences of indulgent eating.
“But with the fridge, it's just because there's something that you don't want in there.”
A humorous recount of a trip to a reclamation yard and the items bought.
“I'd add an egg with avocado and then I was like, I'm starving.”
The hosts read and discuss listener emails about emotional challenges and the impact of the podcast.
“chopping board I've got this gorgeous like big mango it's a what?”
GK Barry shares the story behind her online persona and initial TikTok success.
“So talk me through the name GK Barry, because I know everyone thinks you're a goalkeeper.”
Discussion on the challenges of being in the public eye as a partner of a footballer.
“And then within six months, she was like, I'm going on a celebrity.”
The guests discuss their upcoming tour and the excitement and nerves surrounding it.
“Genuinely, the thought of leaving the house, I have to mentally prepare for like five business days.”
Hosts discuss the concept and excitement of touring their podcast.
“No, because I don't like leaving the house.”
They share their experiences and feelings of nervousness before performing.
Hosts recall their experiences with football crowds and events, including Crouch Fest.
“Do you remember at half time we were looking out and I was peeking through the thing and there was a couple of fellas having a fight.”
Discussion about the evolution of girls' participation in football and its impact.
“Obviously what you girls have gone on to achieve, certainly with the England team as well.”
Recollections of their experiences at sports day and the dynamics of competition.
“And then, you know, when it gets to that age where they have to go in, like they can't play with the boys anymore.”
Discussion about the pressures and logistics of transitioning between football clubs.
“And if you want to pass it on to someone who you think might like this content, you're welcome to do so.”
Insights into the challenges and surprises faced during the reality show.
“He's getting a blow dry soon, I swear to God.”
Hosts recount their trials and survival tactics faced during their time in the jungle.
“Yeah, I looked like, you know those old pictures from like Victorian times when they had the plague?”
The hosts discuss the challenges of living in the jungle, including personal grooming and fears of insects.
“And genuinely, you actually, because it's very low as well.”
A guest shares their emotional experience while watching a loved one on reality television, feeling isolated and anxious.
“My mum was like, it's going to be all right, it's going to be fine because I took her phone off her as soon as she landed.”
The conversation shifts to using crystals for emotional support during tough times, highlighting attachment issues.
“And the woman was acting like you were dead.”
Hosts reflect on their past relationships and what they learned about their preferences and orientations.
Discussion on long-lasting relationships, the importance of fun, and celebrating anniversaries.
“Do you know what she said to me when we first said, I was like, what, I think we've discussed this on the pod before.”
The hosts discuss their lives post-football and how they are now enjoying their freedom and time together.
“That's literally all we do now, isn't it?”
The hosts address a listener's relationship dilemma about trust and accusations of infidelity.
“and he constantly accuses me of cheating since about two weeks in.”
Discussion about a listener's disenchantment over lack of effort from their partner in celebrating special occasions.
“Well, she must go through the phone, though.”
Exploration of expectations in long-term relationships, particularly around surprises and gifts.
“He never thinks outside the box or even takes on board clues I drop into conversation.”
Discussion on commitment issues in relationships and the significance of moving in together.
Analysis of unconventional living arrangements in relationships and their implications.
“I think she needs to sit him down and say, look, where's this going?”

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2:23Abbey Clancy: Hey guys, if you're listening to this podcast on audio and want to submit your agony abs, send us them in, in the reviews, along with a five-star rating. Yes, only five star. Only five star. And don't forget, let us know any topics or guests you'd like to hear on a podcast in the future. Thanks for listening, guys. And remember, if you're liking what you hear, please leave a rating and a review wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the podcast. GK Barry and Ella Rutherford. How are we? I don't know, I'm a celeb. What was that like? Genuinely one of the scariest things. You know, I've got to eat five square meals of days to look like this.
2:58No, but I was going to say, did you run the parent race? Yeah, you came first. Fourth? It was third. What am I not getting from men here? Like, there's something that I'm not getting. I don't really want to sleep with them. I just thought, this is just part of the relationship. I'm just going to open and done with.
3:13Abbey Clancy: I think we all do. Yeah. Hello and welcome to The Therapy Crouch with me, Abbey Clancy. And me, Peter Crouch. And our Ross. How are we? Bloody gorgeous in blue. Yeah, it's nice. It's two pieces, isn't it? It's a bit like a Man City kit. Oh yeah, it does, doesn't it? Fresh on today, still got the label on, you know that. You know that. So we've got some guests on today. Yeah. GK Barry and her girlfriend Ella, who's a footballer. She's a footballer, yeah. I'd like to talk to her about, you know, being a fellow wag and all that. Fellow wag. Well, we're wags. We've got something coming. That went out in the frigging early 2000s, that babe.
3:58The wags.
3:59Abbey Clancy: No, people still call themselves wags. Do they? I've never called myself a wag until now. It's been a manic week here. Yeah. We've just had kids sports days, speech days, end of year plays. We went to see Lib and Airplay. they did The Jungle Book oh yeah and she said it was over two nights part one part two but it was the same show twice so you went twice and the amount of effort we are it took us to get a babysitter as well we've wasted a babysitter did she know what she was doing when she did that yeah she definitely did I think she just was there both nights and like listen I would have been there anyway but yeah watching the same show twice as great as the show was but Lib wasn't even in it what she was just singing a song sitting on the bench like back and quiet the year six is do it and the year fives sing okay okay so I was just watching other people's kids twice I know and it was so annoying because all our friends were all out having a drink on the terrace we were in a look for the burn of society it was a good show though it was fab they did great and they're so proud aren't they the kids when you go and watch them yeah and little johnny crushed sports day did he oh i've seen a video of our johnny actually yeah come on unreal but he won didn't he did great i didn't realize how fast he was yeah he won everything yeah so he won long jump he came second in the throw in he won all the heats of the race and then won the final and there's another little boy who's like mega mega fast and johnny beat him great so super proud and especially when it's kind of Johnny as well because Johnny's not really into football so Pete spends a lot of time with Jack playing football and for Johnny to win just even for their confidence I was really really pleased for him and Jack did well as well didn't he we had Sophia's end of year barbecue as well which was lovely going to the school a lot of school stuff I imagine yeah when you're watching Glastonbury and you think why the fuck did we have kids I couldn't have been there.
6:11What on earth do we have kids for?
6:15Abbey Clancy: Like, my Saturday was ridiculous. You were working on the Saturday. And I had, Sophia had a tennis match at nine. Yeah. Then Jack at 9.30. Jack had a football match at nine. So I dropped Jack off, dropped Sophia off, went back to get Jack, went and got birthday presents for these four kids parties that we had. I was literally hottest day of the year. I was in the car the whole day. This weather is a joke, by the way, isn't it? Oh my God. See what? This studio as well. We're just not built for this in England, are we? No. Any extremes like snow, gridlock, heat, we can't breathe. Yeah, but it's so funny because when you're on holiday, you don't feel like this.
6:54It's because it's... You've got air con. Yeah, everyone's got air con, yeah. And it's also like a bit of a muggy heat in the UK, in the city anyway. It's not like a dry heat, is it? You know what? The summer's going to get hot on that. Air con needs to become part of our life. Agreed. 35 degrees. I've called Adam I've called Adam
7:10Abbey Clancy: and asked him to install it in the whole house have you? yeah it's like people are going to need it in their houses yeah yeah yeah every year we say it's too hot we can't sleeping is the worst I just can't sleep when it's that hot it's hot and turn and all that I don't know why we put ourselves through it were you gutted that we didn't go to Glastow yes yeah I'm getting videos left right and south Rod I just didn't want to go getting called off Wayne Bridge choke hole oh god the time of her life Carlton as well Elle's there my sister all our friends are there oh did she have a good time Holly and Dan yeah I've seen some funny funny videos like Jordan oh Jordan yeah has he missed one ever ever no I haven't seen Jordan for so long I know he's about like he's still about he's a good lad but we were in bed it's just not the same like in bed watching the 1975 which I thought were amazing by the way they got a bit of heat didn't they I don't know I don't know we've watched 1975 since they were well starting I mean he was a waiter 23 years we've been watching them yeah Matt Healy was hardly a waiter in the restaurant I used to go to years ago yeah honestly that's mad yeah he was yeah and he because he I didn't know but I remember when we went to see them and there was there was about 30 people there yeah yeah in Liverpool was it we went to see them we've been seeing them for 20 years yeah like ages ago they had lots of different band names as well I didn't realise they'd been going that long oh my god yeah he said something on stage he was like you served I served you and obviously I didn't remember he said he served me and I said Est Est Est was I alright yeah he was like did you serve he said yeah you gave me a big tip don't eat yellow snow yeah he's happy so we've always I've always liked them I don't know why they got like people were moaning what were they moaning about just saying that they weren't like big enough names to headline oh they're class they're phenomenal like is songwriting is out of this world He's so unique.
9:08Abbey Clancy: Songs are good. I haven't listened to the new album. Is the new album good? Yeah, I have. It's phenomenal. Is it? Yeah. I think he's such a talent. Yeah, he is. It's because he's all spoken as well. People don't like people who speak the views. He's good. He's good. Very, very good. But forget his views and whatever. You know, people are entitled to that. I'm just on a purely music level. And he's a star. They're just girls. They're just girls. Have you seen that in Liverpool? No. they say just scouse not girls but when you hear it it sounds like they're saying just goes which you know girls girls girls but when you go you go just scouse and it sounds like you're saying scouse miss his song oh my god next time let's do it i'm a shoe
9:58what's that feel my knees
10:06Abbey Clancy: I sing it is that though so yeah Glasto was a nightmare well it's just a nightmare in the fact that we weren't there it's very sunny everyone looks like they're having a good time it's really good adult fun yeah it is good adult fun yeah I just think you know I can't believe people said they didn't want they didn't think they were 1975 would have been a big enough act that's the reason I wanted to go to see them their production and their show when we watched it in the O2 or wherever it was I think a lot of people would expect an Oasis though just because the reunion this year and stuff I think they've been given the nods Yeah but they're saving that for their own shows aren't they Yeah exactly not for putting them to BBC I'm looking forward to the Oasis shows Oh my god I can't wait When are you going?
10:51The Wembley one That's going to be fucking mega Okay so we've got guests on today
10:55Abbey Clancy: Got guests on Fellow Wag Fellow Wag GK Barry GK Barry and Ella So you can talk tactics and we'll talk TikTok she's at that in the locker now hasn't she now i'm just literally going on my kids lives now ross i swear i've just thought of it now i didn't think it was that good anyway she rolls off the tongue just rolls off that's not that good that's just what i do literally but um because i've never done a tiktok only when you force me to i've never been on it i've got a weekly wine have you yes so do you remember going back to last week where pete ignored me well a couple of weeks ago pete ignored me for 12 hours yeah while i played golf and then he redeemed himself he slipped straight back in he's regressed so friday slipped straight back into um radio silence yes yes so then i get a call at like nine o 'clock yeah can i bring the guys back and i just said no slip straight back into my routine the next day what were we doing the next day.
12:00Didn't know, did I?
12:01Abbey Clancy: No, you didn't. But then he comes home and I'm like, you know, it's early enough for us to, you know, spend the evening together. And he just goes to bed, fast asleep in two seconds. No, I was tired. Oh. Do you know what I said? Can the lads come back? And then when they did, I went to bed. Yeah. That's like a tantrum, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Oh, you won't let me have my fun going to bed. I bet I had Jarmie's on that night didn't I fucking hell not on their seats but yeah well I didn't have one for you this week you've been a good girl I know I have I'm always a good girl you are good I think you know you have your moments you have your moments but I think this week I think you've been pretty good thank God for that so well done it is a gold star right let's get into the audience wines then shall we um high therapy crouch i'm writing in to back abby up a bit here because i feel like us girls get the rep of being the precocious demanding ones when really it's the boys absolutely a quick example my husband gets hangry but refused to admit it yeah he'll start slamming covered doors muttering fine i'll have toast i'll have toast again like he's some sort of wartime victim it's bringing me back to the days when we had our toddlers and now I've started to carry baby bottles in my bag emergency baby bottles that's hilarious that is funny I do get that sometimes I get hungry you know when you go to the fridge you're like oh for fuck nothing in there or I fancy a packet of crystal I've got pond bears but I'm trying to do like as healthy as possible through every sweet away.
13:55That's not what you don't want when a game is good. Are they supposed to be alright? I think they're alright. You get away with them. Oh God. I want a McCoy. Do you know what I mean? A hula hoop.
14:07Abbey Clancy: A hula hoop. Beef hula hoop. Beef hula hoop. Scampi fryers. You can't be dealing with pond bears. No, you can't. I agree. But with the fridge, it's just because there's something that you don't want in there. That's right. that's what it is yeah but yeah that that hangry thing you get it yeah i do i have to eat now yeah yeah like right now i was so disappointed in myself i've been doing so well in the gym i did three days and then a friend lucinda called me and um said do you want to come to this reclamation yard so we got in the car it's like a nearly a two-hour journey to get there and I'd add my protein shake.
14:51Abbey Clancy: I'd add an egg with avocado and then I was like, I'm starving. So Lucinda was like, oh, I've got - Golden arches. No, she'd just been to Greg's. So she had two sausage rolls spare. So I ate both of them. Two spare? Then we went to - You have two spare sausage rolls? How many did she book it back? I'll get five. Yeah, yeah. No, she bought them for me and Riley as well. Oh, no, no. so then we went to the reclamation yard made ourselves a cappuccino in there and they had cupcakes so we had that yeah then on the way back we had a McDonald's oh go ahead girl then I went to Sophia's school barbecue and had a hot dog is it all in the same day yeah and then Peter ordered pizza in the night and I ate the whole thing what a day that is what a day what I eat the day but like how bad is that diet yeah that's not ideal I got a weekly wine do you know what I could feel it the next day like I felt drained if you put all that shit into your body your energy levels completely delete yeah it's not good delete yeah gotta put the right fuel in babe fuel I've got a weekly wine oh what I just realised it was the secret trip to Reclamation Yard oh okay yeah I saw online three mummy has left the house mummy mummy has completed a 75 mile journey I went what tell me you're getting to the like the horse 75 miles without even telling me because you weren't answering your fucking phone I couldn't tell you you went radio silent I called you three times to tell you that I was going to the reclamation yard and you didn't answer and then he calls me where are you I didn't you've got an absolute cheek asking me where I am you think you can just swan off to the Cotswolds without telling me I was there for less than three hours less than four hours it was an hour and a half there we were there for an hour and then an hour and a half back what did you get at the recommendation yard?
16:50Abbey Clancy: loads of pots chopping board I've got this gorgeous like big mango it's a what? got another weekly wine the more you talk the more I want same as sister oh great the toaster it's gone it's now somewhere else so now I go to the same place the toaster is every time for it not to be there. And there's now pot in its place. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That's not acceptable, is it? No, that's not acceptable. You can't have a toaster there for 10 years and then take it away without even telling me. We actually have had that toaster for 10 years. Well, I'm just trying to make our house as inconvenient as possible so you let us move house.
17:29It's a tactic. Why do you want to move house?
17:32Abbey Clancy: Told you why. Donkey Sanctuary. Incoming. Yeah. Considering you have no weekly rides, you're bloody made up for it. I know, I know. the more you talk the more I want to whine that's a horrible thing to say the more I talk you want to whine put your tongue away why are you doing that put your tongue away I'm laughing put your tongue right out like that that's an ick though put your tongue I just see a girl like that I love my tongue and I thought keep your tongue self-conscious in your mouth please okay i don't want to see it no no no no no next me and my husband were listening to your podcast on our journey from our hometown back to where we live where my husband is based uh you were talking about the instagram abby sent peter about the time with your kids that has already passed i felt emotional thinking of our eight and two year old daughters my husband turns to me and said oh that's cheered me up actually at least I'm closer to the end than I thought.
18:41Abbey Clancy: The worst bit is not only am I married to this unemotional man, but I'm stuck in a car with him for another four hours. Love to you all, Emily. That email came in and the subject line, I think, was my husband is an emotionless twat. I thought this was going to be a good one. That's so funny, that isn't it? Like, he's gone down we're nearing the end. Yeah, yeah. The older I get, the more I value emotional intelligence. Well buzzword that is. Yeah. Just because you don't fucking. I'm consistently saying emotional intelligence. But you don't have any of it. You don't possess it. So. I've got intelligence but none of it's emotional.
19:23Yeah. Okay because the sun's shining I feel I feel like we should finish on shine. Absolutely. Hey guys love the pod. I'm loving this weather though
19:31Abbey Clancy: aren't you? I like it as well yeah. Better than pissing down isn't it? although I am looking forward to getting the fire on and getting the fleece dressing gown back on and hot chocolate on the couch you don't want to snuggle in this weather no you do not you don't want to get cuddly or snuggling you stay away from me I like the seasons I think there's a time and place for each and every one of them I agree I'm quite fond of them I like a season it's nice the fact that we have them so thank you thank you God thank you God thanks Ben thank you for the seasons season's greasings but if you could please make it rain tomorrow because my grass is half dead thank you oh god the sun's good we need it okay just wanted to email and say a huge thank you to all you have massively helped me and my mental health not to bring the vibe down but last year I lost my granddad a work colleague a work colleague to a motorbike accident and a friend of 15 years to suicide all in the space of six months hours in pieces I found life had become too much and the sadness was overwhelming.
20:37So much so that any music would trigger my emotions and cause a journey of tears.
20:41Abbey Clancy: That is so true. On my 40 minute commute to work every day. I didn't know what to do as it was just so routine to pop the radio on or listen to my Spotify playlist in the car and 40 minutes of silence was just as triggering. That is when I found your podcast and I completely transformed my mornings. You guys are hilarious and there's been times where I've had to pull a car over after laughing so much. You guys have helped me at a time in my life where I didn't know what to do or how to manage my emotions and my thoughts. It has given me that time to slowly heal after everything. And you've helped my mental health massively.
21:18I now feel like my normal self again. So thank you so much. I am so grateful to you all, the whole team. And all your guests are amazing. Such a great podcast. Keep up the good work. Amy.
21:29Abbey Clancy: What a lovely message. That's nice to have it, isn't it? Really nice, yeah, yeah. That's so true, though, about music being triggering. It's so emotional, isn't it? Like, if you are sad and you listen to a song, you can sob if you're happy. It's very emotive. It is, it is. Yeah, it is, yeah. It gives you goosebumps. It does. Well, that's good, anyway, because they're having a real dark time and they seem to have got through it via listening to this podcast, which has definitely helped. Laughter is medicine. It certainly is. Laughter is medicine. Totally agree with that. Why don't you get these fucking guests on?
22:06We shall. Welcome to the podcast. GK Barry and Ella Rutherford. How are we? Grace, without I'm calling you, right? Yep, lovely. Not Baza. Baza, Barry, whatever you want, really. I'm here for it.
22:19Abbey Clancy: So talk me through the name GK Barry, because I know everyone thinks you're a goalkeeper. Yeah, everyone thinks I'm a goalkeeper. Barry. My initials, GK, and then it was my best friend's name at the time because I didn't want anyone to find my account and bully me which hasn't worked out very well what account the TikTok account yeah but you obviously blown up on it right yeah no and I downloaded it did that and then like two weeks later I'd blown up on it so I thought I should have just used my name kept your name yeah it was really pointless so now everyone thinks I'm a goalkeeper it's got a ring to it everyone thinks I'm a goalkeeper it's ridiculous oh my god and you're a fellow wag going out with a footballer yeah do you know what though I found it really difficult because a lot of places either don't sell big bottles of Prosecco at the football grounds I struggle with that and also it was hard getting to know all the football lingo, corner I don't know why she's saying getting to know you corner, there's a few whistle blows of an offside if you will there's a lot going on.
23:18Abbey Clancy: Well we've been together 20 years and I've still got no clue that gives me hope. It feels like a similar relationship really doesn't it? I was just outside and she was like so what position do you play and I said she was like oh I don't know you said a cad or something I was like what the hell is that I said calm calm I'm like I've never heard of it someone asked me that on telly the other day I started sweating I was like centre mid attack mid centre I didn't have a clue centre attack mid there we go yeah whatever that means I have to say so who are you then are you like a Gerard yeah like a type player are you a I don't know I don't know footballers though that's where I struggle as well she's like Wayne Rooney I'm like well you should know Wayne you've been in the I know because of Colleen yeah Yeah, that's the issue.
24:00I know their wives. Yeah. Yeah, but that's actually you as well, really, isn't it? Do you know what position Pete was? Do you know that I played? You probably shot a long way because you've got quite long legs. So I'd say somewhere in the centre. Striker. Yeah.
24:15Abbey Clancy: Was it? Wow. Well done. Wow, well done. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Shot a long way. And obviously you've got a podcast, Saving Grace, right? Yeah. That's blown up as well, right? Yeah, I don't know how that happened. massive yeah well let's let's go back to where it starts first right the tiktok like so you're just are you just messing around yeah i'm i thought we were you know i'm still not on tiktok i don't know how to do it i can't even order nando's i didn't know they have their own app now don't go on it because my my brain has just rotted since being on that app for five years but i thought we were all gonna die during covid so i thought let me just air yeah everything that i've got i was airing all my dirty laundry all my stuff about my exes i was just airing it all then I didn't die and I was like right I have to come out of this now but it sort of was just blowing up because I think people related to the stuff that I was talking about like I'd wake up from a night out after uni dishevelled and just post straight on TikTok people loved it yeah thank god it's great it's very funny though and you you're getting roped in as well like are you are you do you want to be involved um to be fair I said this to Grace when I first met her I did not know what she did, who she was in the nicest way.
25:26And thank God. Yeah, I just jumped on board. And then within six months, she was like, I'm going on a celebrity. I was like, okay. I will drag her into everything. I love to embarrass both of us now. It's not just me. Yeah, absolutely. You don't really have a say, which is nice. Yeah. But luckily, you're very easygoing. So you don't really mind. Well, no, but as you know, being a football player on social media, you can't be this big personality. and just you have to be very media trained. Grace shows that side of me, I think, on social media. Yeah, I make your games as pissed as a farm. Yeah, absolutely.
25:59Talking about your bum and everyone's like, right, she's a serious football player. We had that for a little bit, didn't we? Because when we got together, it was, I don't know, people were, it was around that time of the 2006 World Cup where everyone was interested in the partners of the footballers. The WAG vibe. And it was everywhere we went. it was and then I was my managers were very much like keep a low profile try and keep a low profile all we do is go to the cinema if someone takes a picture it's like you need to keep a low profile
26:33Abbey Clancy: that was a mad time wasn't it it was so like the media and paparazzi you don't we didn't get that though like why can't we get papped somewhere I'd love to get papped like nando's or something I would feel like the shit. I would. I mean, we don't go out enough to get packed. We don't leave the house. We don't leave the house. We don't. Do you like being at home? Love it. Yeah. I love it. Genuinely, the thought of leaving the house, I have to mentally prepare for like five business days. I'm like, we've got this. Yeah. But you're going on tour, right? Yes, we are leaving the house. So you are leaving the house.
27:09Yeah. Like my tours are like just feral. There's people being carried out. like it's like a hen do gone mad but yeah you haven't experienced it yet no i'm looking forward so yeah hopefully she stays with me are you not scared doing that no i love doing it i prefer live stuff okay because i find it a lot more fun and you can sort of see people they like put a face to the numbers if that makes sense because i'll get people come up to me like oh mainly people know me now off my podcast so it's weird when i i just see how many people listen to it when you actually meet them. It's like, oh. And they're telling me like, oh, I was going on a walk the other day or I was breaking out with my boyfriend listening to your podcast.
27:52I thought, that's brilliant. Thank you so much. Do you know what it's like? Obviously, when we do our podcasts, it's the same thing. We get people emailing in all the time about saying you've got to go on tour, you've got to go on tour. Have you guys not done one yet? We're apprehensive about it. No, because I don't like leaving the house. Yeah. It's like for me. We're very similar. No, you guys would love it. Even if you did like a couple of dates, it is so much fun.
28:11Abbey Clancy: We get asked every day, please go on tour please go on tour do it I can't grasp the concept of like a pod on tour it's just an excuse to drink you interview someone for like 15 minutes and then the rest you just go in the crowd like you're just speaking to people in the crowd yeah that makes sense so you're just chatting to basically the people that listen yeah doing agony on I broke up with someone's boyfriend for them on tour it was incredible so wow are you not nervous when you go on tour and stuff like before I'm nervous for the first show but sometimes it depends what crowd you've got like some places I go the crowds aren't as lively and I'm like okay I have to like tone it back a bit I did the football podcast I don't know why you say that because it sounds like a twat if I say that Peter Crouch podcast no it doesn't what's worse, me saying my own name or the football podcast it's a bit of an ick when you say that football podcast on that Peter Crouch podcast that's so much worse exactly I just sound like a knob on that Saving Grace podcast yeah it's 20 right it's a bit knobby but when you say therapy Crouch you don't sound knobby no I don't know why that is a fact but it's my own name I don't know I don't know anyway we did Crouch Fest and it was amazing but it was very similar when you see everyone it's a bit like the darts Yeah, it was Wembley Arena.
29:40Abbey Clancy: Wembley Arena. It's a bit like the darts. So like the crowd were... Rowdy. I can imagine. A football crowd. That's my worst nightmare. But like the same thing. It was... Do you remember at half time we were looking out and I was peeking through the thing and there was a couple of fellas having a fight. There was carnage everywhere. That's how you know you've done it right. Yeah, everyone was in fancy dress. I was like, what have we created? I feel like that type of crowd though. Yeah. You know, don't you? Football fans are a different breed. Different. Yeah, absolutely. They scare me. They're the ones that shout I've got no arse.
30:09You've got no arse? I've got no arse. Mine's by my knees.
30:15Abbey Clancy: Literally at the back. It's a harsh environment, isn't it? Yeah. Have you always played football, Ella? Yeah. I'm not always. I started off as dancing, acting and singing. Mum sent us to a dance school, yeah. Which was good, though, because I got my confidence from there, I think. And then I was just like, Mum, no, this is not for me. So then, yeah, I joined football when I was like 12, I think. Yeah. I used to play at a school and that, but I was like the only girl in the boys team. It was kind of that vibe back then. Yeah. Because it was no, it's huge for the girls now. Our daughter loves it.
30:50Abbey Clancy: It's great now, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Obviously what you girls have gone on to achieve, certainly with the England team as well. Yeah. Definitely created a new pathway for young girls to get into it. Absolutely. It's just so nice to see like all girls football teams. Yeah. And it sounds so like, I don't know, if that sounds a bit dickhead-y. No? For women that I grew up being the only girl in the boys team and now there's like just tons of girls just playing now just because they can. Do you know what I mean? So I think that's beautiful. We had two girls in our primary school team who were unreal, brilliant players.
31:21And then, you know, when it gets to that age where they have to go in, like they can't play with the boys anymore. We were like, oh, fuck it. That's our best set of half. Shout out to Katie Hamm. I think still now, don't they still play with the boys at some ages, which I think is good because it builds you up physically. Lime and the Boys is a little bit different. I think it's good.
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34:00Abbey Clancy: Do it now. For our kids, everything's quite mixed at the moment. At young age. At the young age. But the sport today wasn't, that was gender. Oh, was it? Yeah, male. Did you run the parent race? Yeah, you came fourth. Fourth? It was third. Third. It was third. It was third. Oh my God. I wasn't a fast footballer, but bearing in mind There's some Premier League players in this school. None of them were in your race. None of them ran on your race, Pedro. My God. Yeah, like, everyone's going around. Bloody Craig. Craig is just a... You're going to blitz these dads. Alex beat him. Yeah, but hold on a minute.
34:39Alex isn't even an athlete. I wasn't renowned for my pace. I had other attributes. Awesome. It was a new high jump. It'll be all right.
34:47Abbey Clancy: Yeah, literally. Yeah, being fast was not one of them. I won the tug of war. Did you? You won the team. I let you see that for you though. My team. I really wanted to do the mum's race, but I was so scared. No, it seems like you love doing it. To be fair, yeah, I've got nieces and nephews, so it was a bit of a cheat for me. My sister took me to a sports day, and I was like, I've got my running shoes on, my sports gear on, I thought I'm having it today. Yeah. And we won. Oh, amazing. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, it was a mixture of like men and women, but yeah, my team won. Oh my God. Buzzing. I was absolutely buzzing.
35:18It was like a massive achievement for me, that felt like. No joke. after the mum's race
35:22Abbey Clancy: I was like I would have smashed them yeah I wish I would have done it the thing is there's me telling my kids like you lose you don't come home on third in the dad's race you're like shut up dad what are you giving it I know that's so funny so who are you playing for now so I was at the switch last season yeah we just won the league won the league right yeah won the league I'm in the champ now but I've just left I think the travelling for me was a lot because I was travelling from Surrey so it was like two hours there two hours there two hours back so it was absolute hell but yeah I'm just I'm just floating about at the minute just waiting for my next adventure so season starts soon as well so that'll be exciting but obviously can't disclose anything yet until it's out I realise the football world is so stressful like you'll find for a year or a season and then it's like now you've got to just do this mad look probably more like that in women's football I don't know about you but contracts were probably a bit longer for you whereas I mean you're probably getting two three years maximum and then it's like you could be anywhere yeah but I mean I moved so many times but like people go to work in one club and come home and go and I'm going for a medical and you know mental and then I'm not yeah it was deadline day on and I was at Tottenham and I came home and I said by the way babe we don't live in London anymore literally on deadline day and I was and then I was gone because I trained the next day and then he'd have to stay there so then I'd have to find a house pack up all the whole you had to do the football people not do it no well they help a bit sometimes so if he was like a lad on his own but you know we'd have to because we used to we rented for like 10 years because we were up and down the country yeah that gives me anxiety I know we've got it good it can be like that though but I actually liked it but he'd go to work in one house and come home and be in the other and I'd set it all back up and all his clothes would be hung on I do feel slightly guilty about that like I'd literally like just I'd go away like pre-season or something come home to a new house and everything was in like it's like babe where's my where's my pants like she had packed everything away all done wow and i really did that more than once you need to take a leaf out of i need to take yeah yours would still be in the boxes i'm like they're somewhere upstairs wow yeah it can be like that yeah it's a bit mad i think i've tried to stay away from that though like i've had that throughout my career but i've always said now i'm happy in my personal life and i'm settled yeah i just i would just like to stay local we have separation anxiety.
37:50We actually do, yeah. I could not leave you a noodle. That would be absolutely insane. You'd devastate him. So Noodle's a little dog? Yeah. He's over there. He's behind the camera now. Noodle the Poodle. What's Noodle the Poodle, right? He's got dreadlocks currently. He's getting a blow dry soon, I swear to God. He's very cute. Yeah, he wasn't too sure about our dogs when he came in. No, he did think he was a great day. When he entered your house. I was like, right. We lied on the emails. He's very well socialised.
38:21no way so talk us through the jungle going in i'm a celeb what was that like that was genuinely one of the scariest things ever like i don't even like flying by the way no i don't so when they were like do you want to do i'm a celeb i thought yeah that's fine i'll do it whatever this is an amazing experience and then i put it to the back of my brain thinking that they'd like cancel me so i was like it will be fine like yeah they'll find someone else probably and then i got on the plane and was like shit and then obviously you're in holding for like a week and then you get in and it was literally i felt like i was having an outer body experience it was you're just dumped
38:56Abbey Clancy: in the jungle and gone there we are i know and no one is it genuinely like that right because no one even what i find remarkable is that you actually just sleep outside like no one even mentions that part and you're like you're just in a bloody everyone else was sleeping with their legs out I was zipped up every, like there was no holes at all to breathe. Cause I was like, I don't know what's going to come in here. There were rats, these like weird crabs that would walk like that. Awful. I think that surprised me most about you that you slept in a hammock. Yeah. That's insane. I loved the hammock actually.
39:28Oh, did you? Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, that's insane. Felt free as a bird. And people were arguing over the beds as well. And not once did you go, can I have the bed? I thought, are you all right? No, everyone was arguing to get out the hammocks. and I was like, guys, this is like the best I've ever slept in my life. Really? It's like being back in the womb. Oh my God. It was so good. Did you get bitten and all of that? Yeah, I looked like, you know those old pictures from like Victorian times when they had the plague? That's what my body looked like. It was just bites everywhere. It was disgraceful.
39:55I just couldn't do it.
39:56Abbey Clancy: And the hunger. The hunger was insane. Like the tasks and stuff I could do, but just sleeping. I'd love to do the tasks, but I think that, you know, I've got to eat five square meals a day to look like this. No, but I was going to say... Can you imagine what I look like in there? You'd go too far. I'd struggle. I'd struggle massively. But do you know what you do? I clocked halfway through. You say, I'll do the cooking, guys. And just eat all the... You just give yourself the bigger portion. Everyone else was starving way more than me. I was giving myself so much more. Good job, yeah. And I didn't feel bad at all.
40:29I didn't feel bad at all. Hey, survival instincts. Yeah, girls got to eat. Exactly. I couldn't do it for that. You've got to do it. What about trials? and things like that honestly it was like second day i got in there and i think because i reacted very badly to the cockroaches on the first episode which is fair enough i would say um i had to go underground in this tiny cave no that's with like snakes and rats but i don't know what happened there i was fine like i was actually kind of okay but then i think you didn't look well no compared until when I was, no, yeah, you're right.
41:03Abbey Clancy: You did not look okay. I'd be hysterical. But when you get hungry and more tired, like I remember we had one and I was locked in this box and Dean was on top of me and my box filled with water and it was tiny and I had to go under the water while there was eels and water snakes in there to unlock these padlocks and it was, it was like something out of a film. I was banging on the glass. I can't breathe. And I just saw the producers looking at me like, right. No, that's just making me feel ill. I remember that task. They're awful. It's horrible. The tasks are the worst part, but I think the rest is actually all right.
41:39I think as well, when you came out, what I learned is that on TV, you see like 10 minutes of it, but how long were you in that box for? Oh my God, I was in that box for genuinely about 45 minutes. Yeah. The trial looks like it's like three minutes long. Yeah. But she was in there for so long. Were you harsed? No, it was freezing my season. And it was so cold that we didn't want to shower. and like because it was just so freezing the water was freezing it was freezing by the time i got out i had just like the biggest bush ever like had to go through like three razors it was like that was the worst part of the whole experience wouldn't you be scared to get like a bush in the bush like insects in your bush probably probably that was their habitat for three weeks in that little box shed oh yeah yeah i had to start going in the dark so i couldn't see anything that was in there, you wouldn't fit in there.
42:30No, really. And genuinely, you actually, because it's very low as well. I think I'd struggle with it all that, yeah. Yeah, you'd have to do a little nature piss. Yeah, well, I'm fine with that. Would you do it? I would do it, yeah, but like I say, genuinely, that eating thing, I think I'd struggle with that. I'd have to just go, yeah, I'll go in, but you'd have to give me like burgers. You'd have to put five stone on before you went in. No, where's Peter off too? He's just having a McDonald's. Oh, it's good. I hope you're going for a burger. It's kind of not really an experience, but this is how I'm doing it.
42:57Survivor, yeah, yeah. How did it feel as you were together at the time though? Jesus Christ, how did it feel? Getting to this. Like watching it, like that must have been hard for you. Yeah, everyone around me was like absolutely buzzing to see Grace on TV and I thought, I'm not. Like I remember Grace left and I obviously had to speak to her for like the whole week she was in Holden. My mum was like, it's going to be all right, it's going to be fine because I took her phone off her as soon as she landed. Oh my God. So that was hell as it is and then I was sitting there and I think I just got, over that week and I was like I can see her now on the tv it's fine and I remember just sitting my mom going I feel a little bit better now and then ITV comes up news and it's just the cast and I just see Grace and I was like yeah oh my god yeah I was just I was just like you said you's having out of body but I was actually having a mental breakdown back home so I met um one of Grace's friends just for lunch because she was like we need to get you out of the house I hadn't washed my hair showered nothing I was literally like it was like you died yeah so we went to this crystal shop because I couldn't sleep either like we do have actual attachment issues so do we don't we
44:02Abbey Clancy: no joke like a bed without you I literally could die yes I feel like that so do you don't you yeah it's awful yeah it's not nice so yeah I couldn't sleep and we went to this bloody crystal shop and this woman was like I just can't be arsed it was a bag of like lavender with all these little crystals in it and she was like this will help you sleep and I'm like there crying my eyes out in this crystal shop. And she was like, oh, like, it's okay. Like you're missing someone. So I was like, yeah. And the woman was acting like you were dead. She was like, it's all right. Like she's always with you.
44:32And my friend had to interrupt it and was like, no, the girl is not dead. She's on I'm a celebrity. You can watch her at 9 PM every night. Like it was ridiculous. I was being so dramatic. But where did you meet then? We met through a mutual friend. Cause at the time I was said, listen, my time with men is done I've done my work and they're fucking ridiculous Pete seems like a good one though Pete you're a good one I have a good one you're a good one you're a good one it was fucking ridiculous it was hellish
45:00Abbey Clancy: I know loads of women who've done with men and have turned to women it's the only option did you have a bad bad experiences no no you didn't I just thought do you know what's funny I was like what am I not getting for men here like there's something that I'm not getting I don't really want to sleep with them i don't really like i just thought oh this is just part of the relationship i'll just get it over and done with and then i think we all do yeah but then when i got with that i was like oh it's because i like girls uh so that took me a while me and kaz always say we'd be so happy if we got married yeah but listen i i say the same thing i've got loads of mates that i get on great with i'll be totally comfortable with them yeah pete said he wanted to marry glenn johnson but I'm like it was literally the polar opposite well no because we get on great you know if I if birthdays if I forgot it it'd just be like get me next year don't worry about it like he's not gonna give me any grief he's not gonna give me grief totally fine we'd be totally fine I just don't fancy him at all unfortunately you'd have to have like an asexual relationship with him just no sleeping we'd have a great time yeah valentine's nah worry about it I could marry Alfie my gay bestie as well we'd have a great relationship he loves interiors gardening clothes yeah but I think we have we have very gossip we have very different kind of like passions I would say but I think I think it works no well obviously we've been married freaking 20 years yeah it's true yeah happy anniversary thank you thank you yeah it's 14 years married yeah that's massive it's big like that is longer than I actually like when you think about that I've actually been with you longer than I've been apart from him that's a mad thought I've been with him more of my life than I'm not saying that right am I I've been with him more than I've been without him that was a nice way to put that actually that was like poetic wow any tips for a long lasting I think having fun I know it sounds like such a cliche I think letting people be themselves you know I'm totally comfortable being myself around Pete and same for you yeah but I definitely think you two look like you have a laugh a real good laugh and I think it is important no we do I'm just listening we do have a good laugh and I think that is important because we don't argue do we it's easy because I'm a hunk as well what the hell I think you know we've lasted so long because I feel sorry for him because he's such an if I feel so grim.
47:42Do you know what she said to me when we first said, I was like, what, I think we've discussed this on the pod before. It was like, what first like, she just, I thought you just need looking after.
47:51Abbey Clancy: Yeah, he did though. And was I right? Oh my God, that's crazy because you were probably like that with me as well. Yeah, I was like, she needs some help. I had a bad knee at the time and I literally was in a brace, crutches, couldn't walk. She hobbled over to me. I thought, fucking hell. Yeah. And you were like, you must have looked at me and thought that. Yeah. I thought that's how our love started she needs a drink is what I thought she needs yeah she needs a drink yeah these don't drink these footballers though it makes me feel like I've got a problem like when she's in season I'm like I'll just have a straw and a bottle and that will do me and she sat there like right we're living our life back to front now because obviously when Pete was playing you know we didn't drink a lot because you know I'd follow him did you not drink that well yeah we'd have like one big night out a week right but I wouldn't like to sit at home with a bottle of wine, but no, that's all we do.
48:39Okay, good God. So it's only felt better. We have something to look forward to. That's literally all we do now, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. I definitely enjoy myself more than I did when I was playing. But I think you've only got a small window, certainly as a footballer, right? You've got a small window and it's like you just want to maximise the opportunity you've got at that time and then you'll have time to do it after. Have you guys had buzz balls yet? No, what's that? You need to try. Let me tell you something. What is it? They're like these little balls and it's tequila, vodka. What's the history?
49:09It's a woman owned. Woman owned from Texas. Right, so this woman in Texas has made these cocktails and now they're over here.
49:16Abbey Clancy: Oh my God. 14 % tiny ball. Well, that's all right, isn't it? Incredible. Two of them get you like a nice level of blackout. They get you buzzing like, yeah. It is incredible. It can't be 14%. It's 14%. It's tequila, vodka and a splash of whatever. Yeah, but tequila on its own. It sounds like 40%. It must have a drop of it though. I don't do maths. But I don't put like vodka's 40%, isn't it? Yeah, I don't know what it's all. We'll have to Google it. Espresso martini. Oh, we had the strawberry teeny one. We don't like the martini one. You need to go get some. Are they little cans? Tiny little balls they are.
49:53Balls, but what do you do with it? You open it, it's got a lid. Drink. It's got a lid? You can get them from any like dodgy corner shop. I've never heard of these. No guys, you need to have one. I can't do shots. No, but they don't give you hangovers either. They change your life. Honestly. Oh my God. And they don't get you like a bad... I don't drink and don't like drinking. The taste of alcohol makes me unwell. But I can drink them. See, I like the taste of alcohol.
50:19Abbey Clancy: I can't drink them fruity cocktails that taste like juice or... Or maybe try the green one then, because the green one tastes like battery acid. Yeah, but there's like espresso martini ones. There's all different flavours. Yeah, there is. It's like we're sponsored, we're not. You will be after this. We need to try this, yeah. After this, she leaves. We're going to try then, babe. We'll have a go at those tonight. We should. Right, should we help some listeners? Let's help some listeners. We do a thing on the podcast. I think you might do a similar thing, actually. We call it the agony abs. Because we just help people.
50:49Abbey Clancy: Did we steal her idea? Oh, no, no. This is where we help our listeners. Okay. Or we take the piss out of one or the other. We're always in to help. Hello, Avi, Pete and Ross. Trying to write this as brief as possible. I've been with this guy for six months. and he constantly accuses me of cheating since about two weeks in. He's a lovely guy, has a great job, works away a lot, but he cannot help accusing me of being up to no good all the time. It's because he's doing it. Yeah. I express myself and tell him I never would, etc. And he says he will change and get better, but he hasn't. All I do is work, keep her home, and my daughter, who's 15, and I walk the dog.
51:28Advice, please. He's the nicest guy I've been with, but I'm struggling here. she must have been with some pricks before then if that's the nicest one yeah that's not it's not good is that where the bar is
51:37Abbey Clancy: yeah but also she's clearly an older lady if she's got a 15 year old that's like kids stuff isn't it I feel like she needs to dig a little bit deeper because he might be insecure about something in the past oh yeah that's what you meant by me mental health matters and you're like go through the phone I agree with you you're very similar I'm starting to gather on her no phone is safe Pete goes mad because I go through his recently deleted as well. I'm like, I'm not hungry. I don't even know how to get on that. Recently deleted. Yeah, you've got to have a face. Does his half the face ID on now? I know the code.
52:15That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.
52:17Abbey Clancy: I think you should know each other's code. Yeah, I agree. I do agree. Absolutely. Got nothing to hide on there. No. And then at least it's a bit of fun. And now he knows how to do the recently deleted. delete the recently deleted I reckon it's a recently deleted recently deleted if there is you fucking know about it I think this guy if he's he's obviously he could have potentially been hurt in the past this is what I'm thinking but you guys both know he's cheating right a bit of both he works away a lot he's probably cheating I reckon he's away if I'm away I'll be thinking what's she up to and then you get yourself if you're in a hotel you know what I'm up to because I'm at home with four kids I'm such an over-finger you'll be in a room going I wonder what she's doing I'm going to and then just lash out but I don't do that because I'm a fantastic human but you don't care this fella is obviously she wouldn't care what I'm trying to say is I think we could look at both sides of it I think he's cheating if he works away sorry not everyone who works away is cheating I do I think why are you working away for?
53:28Well, she must go through the phone, though. Get a different job. She must go through the phone. Yeah, she must go through the phone. Pick a time. Hold on, he's accusing her of cheating. I don't know why it's got twisted round. No, but he's definitely cheating for accusing her. Going through a phone is stressful. It is. It is. You don't want them to wake up. When you don't have enough time. They breathe funny, you're like...
53:50Abbey Clancy: It's locked back on the side. That's for experience, that. The problem with doing it in the night is it lights up. Yeah, yeah. What is this? Because I know someone at the moment who's doing a lot of phone going through a ring. Really? Yeah. Why? Never mind. Secret. You lot are mad. That's a violation of human rights. No, it's not. It is. Okay. I don't mind if you go through my phone. Well, I do.
54:23Abbey Clancy: It's all coming out. there's no way you'll have done that to me sometimes I do what for what just different audience interesting different change of setting change of setting I just want to see what you chicks talk about he's in the girls group chat he knows where to go he is spicy in there
54:51Ross does a thing
54:52Abbey Clancy: on a Friday called hot girl Fridays where he gets all his girlfriends, sends his girlfriend out the house. What? I know. Sends his girlfriend out and gets his girlfriends round. All the hot girl friends. And they call it Hot Girl Fridays. Wait, what are you talking about? Ross. Hang on. That's what you do. Wait, I'm confused. I just send her out the house. I just normally book it when she's not in. I just send her out. How weird is that? That's not that weird. We've been best mates for 10 years. Who's best mates? Your best mates. He's got girl best mates, best friends, girls. You are a walking red flag.
55:27I have never. That is horrific. Imagine I've been hot mates. I know. Imagine you had hot guy Fridays. I can only be friends with ugly people. That sucks.
55:39Abbey Clancy: But what would you do if I was... Pete, you go out Friday and we have another hot guy. The lead's coming over. Oh, my God. With a four pack. Oh, my God. You would die. You would die. I think it's the most bizarre thing. Eastern around Rossi Live and let live No that's fair enough You said he's secure Don't get any ideas Fair enough Okay let's move on My husband and partner He could be gay We're all a bit gay Yeah we are Okay my husband and partner of 25 years Has never surprised me With a single birthday present I always get discounted perfumes I've taken him away for his birthdays Planned parties for him Paid for him to visit his friend Lives abroad but for me, nothing.
56:25He never thinks outside the box or even takes on board clues I drop into conversation. I planned and organised my own milestone parties and even paid for them. How do I get him to step up and take me to Rome, Paris or New York? All of which I've expressed as places I would like to visit. Maybe it's the cost of living. Me making excuses for him, it's the cost of living.
56:48Abbey Clancy: It doesn't need to be romantic and to be thoughtful. doesn't have to cost a lot. Just invite a few friends around as well. They'll bring their own drinks too. Yeah. So it's not even that expensive. Or he could just get a little, you know, do a picnic, take her out, bottle of wine. Are these anonymous? Anonymous? Yes. Well, yeah, most of them are anonymous. He doesn't love you, I reckon. Too comfortable. Yeah. No, but he's never done that even at the start. Oh. Yeah. Even at the start? Yeah, he doesn't love her. Oh, he just settled down with that. But this is, don't even mind, this is 25 years.
57:1925 years? Husband. Maybe he's gay. Why does she marry him? Yeah. Well, yeah.
57:27Abbey Clancy: Well, yeah. I mean, like what you just said. Because at the start as well, that's when you're trying to impress someone the most and do all the lovely things. Like, you used to write me, you don't do that anymore. Wrote me a poem yesterday. You did write me a poem yesterday. What is it with footballers and poems? Do you do poems? No, but Wade did. No, I think I've got an onset early dementia, really, from heading the ball. I don't know. I couldn't put words onto a poem. That's my excuse as well. Yeah, absolutely not. We write poems and songs and stuff, doesn't he, Rooney? I don't know if I'd get a dick from that.
57:58Abbey Clancy: I do, I got my poems, right? I know, I like mine. I'm going to write you a song. Are they like, stop, don't do it. Get a little guitar and perform it. That would be cute. Me shutting the door. Yeah, I don't know, maybe if it was a good poem. No, Pete's are good. Really? The very roses are red, violets are blue. It's along those lines. A little bit of rhyming vibe. You know, Rujar, a little bit of rhyming vibe.
58:23I'm not a poet.
58:25Abbey Clancy: I love them though. What? I love them. Yeah, they're nice. They're nice little things. That's what I mean. You can be cool and do dishes of love. It doesn't cost you anything. Nothing at all. I agree with that. Yeah. If she came home and he'd, like you said, there's hot weather around him and he'd done a little picnic in the garden. That's enough, isn't it? A little bit of 60p bread from Lidl or Aldi. Get a bit of chicken. There you go. Mayo. oh mayo I was just trying to think of some ingredients it cost you about£20 to get a little picnic I reckon I reckon yeah well he just don't love you yeah I think he just loves you too comfortable lazy alright well yeah maybe not just break up this 25 year marriage but we could maybe just say to them you know let's try a bit harder mate maybe she should go on like a sex ban until he does something for her he won't care but maybe she should try that be like you're not getting any of this do you think there's still sex after 25 years Definitely not.
59:21No. It's too hot anyway. It's too hot. It's too hot. Certainly at the moment.
59:27Abbey Clancy: But how can she resolve it to him? Then she's saying, how do I get him to? You raise it. Definitely. I think you've got to raise it. Step up your game. She should threaten to leave maybe. I'm leaving unless you throw me a party or surprise me. And take me to New York. Take me to Paris. And if he doesn't do that, then she probably has to leave. See with me, I need a little bit more insight here. Because if he's taking himself on holidays and stuff, that's taking the piss. She's taking him on holidays. Yeah. and the man surely works and hi guys love the pod I was hoping you could give me your thoughts on a situation that's been getting me down lately for some context I'm 21 I live in Essex my boyfriend is 26 and he lives in London I've just been offered a job in London so I'm planning to move there soon my boyfriend's lease is also nearly up so I thought it might be the perfect time for us to move in together especially since I'm at his most of the time anyway I can see where this is going he said no but when I bought it up he says no and it's too soon we've been together for just over a year and a half and I'm very happy together so to me that just doesn't feel too soon I can't help but feel a bit hurt that he'd rather move into a flat share with strangers than live with his own girlfriend so now I'm just sat here wondering is he being sensible or am I wasting my youth on a guy who's scared of commitment he wants to shag about we moved in with each other after the first date yeah when you know you know yeah if you're sure so you'll move him a year and a half that's like four years when did you guys move him very soon yeah it wasn't the most romantic pete was like but pete had his own place i still live with my mom i was 19 so i'd stay there often and then one day he just text me may as well move in but not that was cute yeah i apologize oh quite like because it's kind of like just come here do you know what I mean yeah that's cute that's quite cute I don't think it is there you go girl that's what I'm drawing up I was getting ready to justify myself I love you guys you can come again no I I thought that was horrible I thought yeah I thought I wanted him to be like I can't live without you I desperately need you to live with me and it's just like you may as well I desperately need you to live with me I've not I thought like it should have been in hindsight I think it should have been a bit more of a like open a box like a key in a yeah in a car do you feel we did the same thing like after the first date you came back and then I just never left never left she didn't even ask me to move in I just moved in are you coming back tonight she was like yeah I was like cool I live here now yeah and then I just randomly on like a Thursday afternoon got a key and then it was like oh here's a key and I was like oh brilliant no it wasn't even romantic do you remember I just gave you the key yeah it wasn't you just put it on your keys and we moved on yeah literally to this day you've got all this all this room for all your clothes and I've just got this tiny little spot in your wardrobe that's about She only wears shorts Shorts I mean yeah She's an angel But yeah I don't think that's too yeah I think he wants to live his life a bit I think he is a long time to be together before moving in especially if that's that crucial point where they've both got nowhere to live surely that's the natural next step let's do some together There's something fishy 26 is I don't know like it is still young I'm old I'm old now but 26 feels like she's 21.
1:02:42He's not sure about her then. But I just think like, I don't know. Agreed. When you know, you know. isn't it? Mind you, that was ours, wasn't it? What was ours? 24 when I was 23. Well,
1:02:52Abbey Clancy: you were 24 and I was 19. 23, 24, yeah. So yeah. When you know, you know. When you know, you know. Yeah, he's not sure actually. He don't want to be with you. I think she needs to sit him down and say, look, where's this going? Yeah. If you don't see a future of me. Yeah. Because sharing a house with strangers Absolutely fucking crazy. Yeah, that's insane. Then what if he likes one of them more than her? That's what it is. Oh, Christ. He's probably enjoyed the distance. Yeah. But some people quite like that. Some people like their space and stuff. Yeah, they do, don't they? Which I think is also strange.
1:03:25I think that's strange as well. I met someone recently who's married who doesn't live with his wife. What? To be fair, you meet a lot of couples that sleep in separate rooms and they still love each other.
1:03:37Abbey Clancy: Yeah? I think... I don't know where... You'd be kissing. No, because the man starts snoring and all of that. That's exactly right. Yeah, yeah, if you're a snorer, you're on the verge. Oh, shut up. You're close. I don't snore. No, me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not kicking you out. No, no. I'm saying that I'm struggling at the moment. Well, I snore. Do you? She doesn't. I think because it's early days, I'm like, you know what? I'll just put up with it. In 40 years' time. In 40 years' time. Like, I have to get in bed and sleep. How long have you been together? a year and a bit but I'll get a sleep apnea machine if it means you're so good it's like a race to get to sleep it's a race and we get in bed and I'm like I need to fall asleep now because otherwise when she does she's shaking the walls yeah that's me I have to sleep first yeah but I think that can work you send me to bed early I'll go sleep and you come up later in 40 years I mean not now I want to get less sleep yeah because I but I also don't like going to bed apart true and I agreed I remember like before games on a Friday if I had a game the next day and we had a little we had a baby I would sleep in a different room oh and I couldn't sleep oh yeah just because I kind of needed to sleep playing on a tired body is insane you don't want to be doing that wouldn't I I don't move I don't move and I'm knackered all the time anyway well listen girls we loved having you on I really appreciate it we're going to come and watch your show please do I want to come and watch a match next year I was not sure I love your show.
1:05:09Yeah, yeah. I'm so excited. No, brilliant. Listen, you've done so well. Thank you. And you as well, Ella. So it's a pleasure having you on. Thanks for having us. Thanks, guys. Thanks for coming.
1:05:20Abbey Clancy: Thank you.
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On today’s episode of The Therapy Crouch, Pete and Abbey are joined by the hilarious Grace Keeling (aka GK Barry) and her partner Ella Rutherford for a chaotic catch-up that covers everything from TikTok stardom and Prosecco etiquette to celebrity jungle survival. Grace opens up about the sheer terror of her I’m a Celeb experience, while Ella reveals how she coped on the outside.
Meanwhile, Pete’s caught slamming cupboard doors like a moody teen and Abbey’s off on a secret 75-mile pottery mission. There’s also a heartfelt letter from a listener who found solace in the pod after an unimaginable year of grief.
From lazy husbands and ghosting boyfriends to parenting politics and picnic romance, this week’s episode is full of laughs, love, and a few roastings.
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