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3:00i'm gonna get into some listener questions what does it say this involving shabba if you're walking up the stairs you put your finger up as well and go shabba you've got to walk up this one is from peter crouch did you once for a milkshake at abby when you were younger Yeah. I might have spilted. Spilted.

3:25Hello and welcome to The Therapy Crouch with me, Abbey Clancy. Me, Peter Crouch. And today, I've got a beautiful, clean wine. Where's the beautiful wines? You know what, I was going to start with you in a full night. I've just done this before as well. How are you? All good, mate? All good, yeah. Yeah, very good. Nice to have some scousers on. Do you know when we were having that fight last night? Yeah. You were so scouse to me, by the way. Was I? I keep forgetting to tell you this. Was I? I've only just remembered it now, yeah. You're like, who are you talking to? Was I? Was I? Oh, my God. Like that?

4:00Oh, yeah. You're like, I know. You're the odds one out now, so you've got an afterthought. I know, exactly. That's it. So talk us through the show, right? You're on Disney +, Real Roodies. Talk us through it. What's it been like filming it, first and foremost? Because we're so often ever doing something essentially similar. how have you found it it gets easier yeah it does get easier i think at the beginning we we had a little taste of it when we both done our our individual documentaries so they touched on a bit of family life whereas obviously with kids it's totally different when you know when there's more filament so when we first started we said listen we're we are a normal family obviously living in this extraordinary world your house is amazing thank you but you know there's days where they might want to and they might play up or whatever and then that's fine with us but you've got to expect that there might be kids missing some days when you want them there but there's not one we could do or add it yeah there was a few days where yeah i was sweating and he was still in bed is there ever that time though like you come down the stairs you see the cameras and go yeah and go back up.

5:12Yeah, my aunt Clay, Clay, a few times, he'd come down and he'd go, oh, why are these here? And I'd be like, just don't get him today. And he'd go round and eat his breakfast like somewhere else. But he knew that was like, it was bad. It was bad, isn't he? I think it's, obviously when you do your work and then you come home, that's kind of like a safe place. I know we divulge a lot of our lives on this podcast, but I found it like a completely different thing having them in your house. You're exposing yourself, aren't you, as well? You as parents, as husband and wife, and so you're putting it all out there for people to see and judge, really.

5:53I'm like that Scouse meme. Have you seen it where the dog eats the dog? Fucking I didn't have! But that's, you've just hit the spot there. Everything plays out on socials and that nowadays. And remember years ago when like the Osbournes and that on it, it was like, oh my God, they're letting us into their home. Whereas now I do think it is quite normal. Yeah. But not just for people in the public eye, for everyone. Yeah. But you guys obviously have been so thrust into it from so early. And you've been like, yeah, I suppose for me, when I got in England, it was like 2005. By that time, I was like 24, 25.

6:31You were 16, 15, 16. People knew about you really, like 14, 15. you were making waves as a kid then 16 you're together and then it just goes crazy right as soon as you make your debut yeah so really as as adults we've been used to it our whole life really and so we've had to learn to deal with the pressure of that and and it's been difficult at times it's been really difficult um I know I struggled um at times with the pressure of it and probably didn't show that then but when I've looked back I've realized um how tough it was and so that was why it was such a big decision for us to do that and our kids, you know, pictures of them are in the papers they have been since they were young or they're on social media and we spoke to the kids before we were doing it and they weren't sure, as any kids probably wouldn't be but we made the decision to do it and the more we were doing it, the more we were filming the kids grew into it and enjoyed it we actually had a cry the other day, didn't we?

7:33saying to us, we should do more which I was shocked yeah he's seen some clips of it and he was like yeah it looks alright actually I always show Sophia Kai oh yeah because he's doesn't he speak Spanish yeah he's playing the football he's just done his GCSEs and he got a nine in Spanish didn't he and he's doing his Spanish A level still like obviously he's in full time football but he still has to do the education but it's you know every time I go away we're thinking like the girls I'm in a taxi coming home from a night house and I'm like that, Kai, speak to the taxi driver. And I put it on lads like a proud mum and he's like, you were your way, what are you doing?

8:15I'm like, just speak to him. He doesn't know, he knows quite well where we're going. And then I just love, and he's done it all himself. Obviously he's learned it in school, but he's had no extra. He's just picked it up himself. That is so impressive though. It's incredible. Sophia dropped Spanish and I'm like, when you're going to be a tennis player all over the world, you're going to need that. And they just don't listen. but for yours to do that on his own. That's a good thing because when I was pissed, she's fluent in French as well. I actually am. I genuinely can't remember when I'm sober.

8:43I can't remember it, but like when I'm drunk, I'm like, it all comes out. It all comes out. But with regards to that, obviously, you know, I suppose you signed up for it to play football. You get in the first through at 16, there's going to be a spotlight. I suppose you just together, right? You end up in that world. How was that for you in early days? Yeah, obviously that picture of going to school, that was the first picture that was in the press. Now, if you thought of that, it's like, oh my God, there was this man taking a picture of me walking to school. But I think what was good, we was young.

9:16We had to grow up quick, but we were in it together. Even though we were in totally different positions, he dragged me into it. But then... Drag you into it. And then we just, we went through it together. And I think having that, you know, young head on your shoulders, you don't take it too seriously at the time. And then obviously you have your ups and downs and you do have to live everything in the media and the spotlight. But the Gov thing for us, we've had a really solid support system. I think that pays a massive part in it. It pays a massive part in it. And that era as well, it was so diabolical.

10:01Like the press. They could say whatever they wanted. It was awful. Like my dad, like when me and Pete first came together, my dad still got it framed in his kitchen. It was like a picture of me like out with the girls, like pissed. And they'd like cut me out. And then Pete like looking all innocent in his little England kit. And the headline was... Little? Little, yeah, big. It's too small. The headline was, My Hell with Mad Abbey. And my dad still got it framed in his kitchen. I think it was on like the front of the star or something. I was just like, oh. But you know, it's kind of being like propelled into the public eye because of who you go out with.

10:37It's a lot of pressure. I've been married 18 years now. Yeah, it's a long time now, isn't it? Yeah. See, I've had fun. I think it's gone quite quick. No, I think 18 years is like when you think about that. Yeah, it doesn't seem that long ago. How long have you been married? 15? 14? 2011, we got married. 15, yeah. But we've been together 21 years. Yeah. It's a long time. Yeah. I've been with them longer than I've been half my life. Yeah. It is a long time. And I think it's, I think it's always trying to keep it fresh. And you have some bad moments, hard moments, tough moments. And unfortunately for us, that's been all over the newspapers.

11:25Same. No, but then you have to be strong and to get through that moment, you have to be strong. And we have, haven't we? we've got to them moments and I think fast forward into today it's where we're in a place and you'll see in the show I was struggling with getting sacked and I didn't know where you know when you stopped playing football and I stopped coaching and then you didn't I didn't know where to go really to try and go back into coaching to try and do a go down TV route and whatever and then you see that early in the show don't you where I'm struggling and that's probably why I was having a few layers.

12:04That's a hard time. You had a bit of a wobble at that stage as well, didn't you? That's all you've ever known, right? It's all you've ever known is that, you know, especially for you, you know, because you were like, you know, straight away it was like liftoff into this world and all you've ever known, that adjuration and the fans and everyone knowing you, you know, and then all of a sudden it's like, bang, right? Well, I'm at home now. And obviously, you know, whatever's happened with management and that's happened and like, where do you go now? And it's difficult to kind of get your head round and you struggled with it and it's good being honest, I suppose, with it.

12:34Yeah, no. And getting back into routine with the kids as well. And I find it hard because I think I've lived most, like, all my life planning without him in it. And then if he's there, it's a bonus, you know? Like, so I just think, just plan ahead and then if he's there, great. But then him coming back in full time and then asking, do you want me to do the school run? you know like well it's your kids as well just you know it do you get that heart to get that i've been i've minded the kids all day i'm like they're your kids you haven't minded them is like when when you say oh is is wayne babysitting or is peter babysitting no i know they're fathers i normally hate not hate weekends but like weekends i know that'd be the same for it's like tennis, football, swimming, this, that.

13:33And it's like crazy. And like Pete was always at work and now he's not working. He was like, I want to quit weekend work and stay a lot of time with the kids. And now he's like, fuck this. Is this what weekends are? That's where it's from. From my point of view anyway, you're having four boys. Oh yeah. I think because it's all football, isn't it? The weekends and they're getting earlier as well, aren't they? This weekend. Oh, thank you. Like an hour away? It's like, come on, we don't leave that time for school. Yeah, I'm like, how is this my job? Doing all the eight-hour football tournaments and I know nothing.

14:07I'm like, run, kick, shoot. You must be incredibly proud of your boys. Like, you know, I mean, you've got two at United, one at Everton, is that correct? No, the youngest ones, he got let go. Oh, that was the hardest thing ever. How did you deal with that? Because none of them, like, the older two have been there and have stayed there at United. So Cas was at Everton and he was only under sevens, wasn't he? Oh my God. And he is a massive Evertonian. So he's got a season ticket. He loves Everton. So the fact that he was there as well was like everything wasn't it to him. And we knew because it was a big squad and then obviously going into the under, he was in the under eights and then going into the under nine to get signed then.

14:53So they have to do the squad little. so we knew that he wasn't going to stay because there were stronger ones there and then the day came when we got the phone call and I was like oh I phoned him and I was like you're going to have to tell him and then I had a moment with him before he came in and he was on his own in the house and I was like Cass I've had a call from Dave and you're not going to be going into the next and he was like threw his head on his hands and he just burst out crying and I was like ah but an hour later He forgot about it. He was fine. He still played for his grassroots team.

15:28I was like, you've still got all your mates in your grassroots team. And now he was on the phone, wasn't he, straight away to my mum and dad, like saying, Evan have released me. I was like, oh, but. How do you deal with that? They're like, they're kind of rejected. When it's your baby, it's like. Yeah, but if you think about everything, really, even at school, you know, you have people in higher sets. And so that's part of life, isn't it? I suppose. And in football as well, the amount of players we've played with who maybe don't make a Man United or Everton or Liverpool but then they go and play so there's still an opportunity to have a career there and you forget they're so young.

16:05I didn't, I said to him, I said, I didn't join Everton's Academy until I was nine. You've been in there now or something? Yeah, no, no. It was slightly later. So actually you've got loads of time just to enjoy playing football and then if it comes it comes, but that's part of it. Therapy's biggest impact doesn't show up in some dramatic breakthrough. It shows up in the smallest moments. You bite your tongue instead of escalating. You put your phone down instead of firing off that text. You say what you actually mean instead of what would hurt someone else the most. Nobody applauds those moments, but they quietly change your life.

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18:08It was on New Year's Day and booked an appointment in just minutes. It took so much of the stress out of the already stressful situation. ZocDoc makes it easy to search and compare over 250 ,000 local in-network providers across more than 200 specialties. So you can find the right doctor or dentist and book instantly. Taking care of your health just got easier. Download the ZocDoc app today and book that appointment on your to-do list. That's Z-O-C-D-O-C. ZocDoc. I enjoy what you're doing now with regards to obviously you see everywhere like match of the day and you're doing the World Cup it was BBC you were working for wasn't it Amazon podcast stuff you're doing are you enjoying that side of it yeah it's big match of the day's hard it's a tough match of the day I've done it early I didn't last very long because it's hard it's a long day it's helping Manchester yeah it's a long day and then you get all your clips together and then you don't have that much time to actually talk through it.

19:12Where if you watch the games of a weekend on Sky or whatever, you have a lot of time to talk and, you know, go through whatever clips they're going through, go through and talk about the game, talk about individual players where matches are quick. So that's tough. And that's been one of which I do need to get better, that I feel, and I'm still trying to improve on that. But I just think with footballers, just because they've played football, it doesn't mean like they're kind of a natural presenter. it's a lot to take in isn't it I think that is more a present real like match yeah it is I said that and it's live and it's you can see sometimes everyone's rushing to try and get as much as they can yeah but it's easier when you're at the stadium and you're at the games or when we do the Champions League games or at Jordan of World Cup when we were out there for me that's where I really I love that that's me that's where you're watching the game you're not having time to think about it to write things down you're literally speaking what you see and for me that's where I'm at my best I feel where I'm watching the game speaking how I see it speaking natural honestly about what I see and then that's where I feel I'm better I think that's become your thing now because obviously having played with you you were very honest I think you'd always say what you feel and I think that's coming across now in what you're saying obviously we were at the World Cup final and the half time show I loved it by the way you said it's crap I've said that was fantastic.

20:40I love Justin Bieber. I miss bloody Post Malone because I was getting a hot dog. Missed him. But that was all right. So before the game, because we were in there early, then that speed lab was on. Post Malone was on, Jennifer Hudson, I've still done National Anthem. And that was, I enjoyed that. So we went, but then at halftime when you've seen Madonna, then Justin Bieber comes out with an acoustic guitar. in that atmosphere and then who else come on Shakira with Shakira on yeah Coldplay and just think this is terrible and then they've wasted no but then they had the cheek to put the half times at 30 minutes as well so with football it's not broken don't change it if you want to do stuff around it then listen you can but don't it's not NFL it's not football don't change it and I just didn't enjoy it do you know what I think there's something out there there where you just analyse kind of music shows.

21:40There's a show on there. Get on Disney+. But the thing is, I actually like Justin Bieber. I love Justin Bieber. I like his songs, like his music. Whatever, but just the way it was put together. I think Chris Martin put together, didn't he? So if you're listening, Chris, why is this laughing? I also love Chris Martin. No, but we've seen Coldplay a few times. I don't mean to be like hip-hop. I embarrassed my one of the worst moments of my life was when I met Chris oh my god it was so embarrassing so it was on the Brit Awards and where they have to do like the takes in between Ant and Dec a walk around back in the day and Chris Martin like bent down next to my chair because you have to get out the way of the camera and he's like hi I was like hi and he's like I'm Chris and I was like I'm Abby and he was like what do you do and I went nothing nothing I shit myself because I loved him it gets even worse than that because he does a charity called, was it War Horse?

22:41no, War Child so War Child was the charity and he went something about he said I've got my gig later and I said oh yeah for War Horse and he went no War Child and I was driven in sweat because I love Chris Martin as well so I literally had a heart attack didn't they? Outrageous. But, Kaleem, your side of things, certainly on the show. Yeah, I want to know more about your Primark stuff, all the girly bits, less this football, Chelsea. I did like on the show, though, when he said, it wasn't the crap half-time show for me, it was, what's the FIFA president got on his feet? What did he... You see, now I've turned into like a little fashion.

23:28Yeah, yeah, yeah. You haven't seen that, mate. It's the best of saying. Can we have backwards? Did he have a Chinese with a suit? But he said he should have been, yeah, which you actually did wear. For me, it's, I'm like a traditionalist, so if I go far, I think you should wear a suit and a tie and whatever. So I'm just thinking he's the president of FIFA. I know he's getting a lot of stick anyway, which he rightly saw. But he's walking on the pitch with the president of the United States and he's in a suit and white trainers. I'm thinking at the work of final, just wear a pair of shoes. Well, I think that about the players who wear the socks down now.

24:03Have you seen that? Yeah. I hate that. What was it? The football players now. You always say that to our kids. Socks down. Socks down. Socks down. Push the socks down. Yeah. And you can see the shinies. And I'm like, that's so disrespectful. Or the other little tiny ones. So our kids, when you say pull your socks off. Yeah, I hate the socks down. I'm scared to wait. So I look at my shoes now and think, what the fuck's she wearing? I was thinking that before when I walked in. These are trendy, apparently. Get in here. so talk about your primark stuff because you followed that a lot on the show yeah so on the show you see like the initial start of the primark so me meeting with the team in ireland and then you see if you follow it all the way through until it's um launched in store but no i've loved it i've done stuff like that in the past but i took a massive break just to be with the kids and um you know be a mum obviously you can do both but i just felt like i just wanted i don't think you can do both to the best of your ability not to the best of you no it is this i think i'm lucky because i can try and work my daddy around being there for the for the kids but i went through a period of years of being at everything that they did and you know doing everything for them and i loved it and i know there's other people that would love to be in that shoes that can't that i've got to work and then the opposite people love working because they don't want to do all all that stuff but um going back into do i i enjoy it and i do you know it's something that i've always loved like fashion and yeah um but i always say if i pick something to do i want to do it properly so i want to put the time in and do it you know have a proper involvement in it so you'll see that on the show you said that when you watch some of the stuff he was like didn't know you'd actually done that work i thought they'd just done it for you no you see you see where people put the names to brands on you and you don't really do much for it.

25:55But it was actually when before, when I watched the show, it was actually really good. Because I was interested in it. He thought I was saying I was going and doing stuff and like just going for lunch or something. Well, normally that's what happens. Do you still have all these ladies lunches? I don't do them much. Do I? Not any odd time. Not many. But there's never a, like a men's meal, is there? Oh yeah. Joking on, yeah. he just come back from a four day golf trip where I had zero contact that's different yeah we're actually not speaking today trying to protect that's one thing on the show that we would come down like and it's so hard that when you don't talk and we were like oh but it was in the Zari to film so I'm not going to change it so we carry stuff yeah so we do this like once a week there's been a few times where I've gone this is this is unacceptable I am not doing it and obviously the guys will tell you here like No, there's a little turn off and he's like, I'm not doing it.

26:54I'm like, will you grow up? Like, you've got to be professional. I'm not talking to you. I'm not doing this. And then he'll just leave and we're like, okay. Yeah, proper diva-like behaviour. There must have been times where, is it, do you get through it? Or do you just... It's not that we're not talking. It's just that Colleen's not talking to me. Oh, whatever. No, that's what it is, because it's an only... Yeah, because it's his fault. I'm saying it's normally something that I've done and she's not on, but then I'll... Win me round. I'll just make a joke or something. Yeah, he just starts being stupid and acting stupid.

27:32He was on it. We were going to Scotland and he played golf before we left and I was waiting for him for about two hours and he was just having a drink in the clubhouse with his friend who he'd just met. No, he'd just met. So it actually wasn't a friend. It was an ex-player at Man United, Cleetton Blackmore, who I was sat with. And it wasn't someone who I'd just met. And Clouty, you know when you play golf, the etiquette is you go in the clubhouse after. It's literally etiquette. No phones on the golf course or after. Lose track of time. and if Clayton Blackmore's in the... You can have a two-hour one drink with him, yeah.

28:20Then it's a full debrief, you know? No, but mine was... This golf trip you just went on, he was like, I was like, why didn't you call me, like, literally the whole time? And he was like, I've never laughed so much. I've never had such a good time in my life. Why are you stopping me from having a good... That's literally what you said, and I was like, so basically you're saying you don't laugh at home or have a good time with me? Look at us now. Look at us now. Like, you know, anyway, piss off. Anyway, that all happened. That happened. Yeah, so with regards to football stuff, are you happy where you are, Wes?

28:56Are you happy doing what you're doing? Yeah. Would you get back in again, management? That's out of here. Listen, if the right thing come up, and I've said this before, if the right thing, and probably the only two clubs is Everton and Man United, I would go into, which is very unlikely. which is very unlikely. Not big fans of either of them too many. No, so I very much doubt that I'd be going back into it. And then in terms of the TV, I'm enjoying it. And I've got a good balance in my life in terms of going to work, but then also having time with the kids. So I'm actually enjoying, you know, getting up, going into work, taking the kids to school, going to watch them play football, whatever.

29:38So I find that my life is more balanced now. I saw the clip of you when you're like, the baby's asking if you've put the trainers in, trainees in the bag. Pete, every day. So I pack, how many times he talks about this? One day they have to go in in the PE kit and bring the uniform in the bag and then the next day it's swim kit with the PE bag. So there's so much planning that goes into these bags the night before every day from me. And Pete drops the kids off at school and leaves the bags in the boot of the car every single day. It's not every day. I just, it just blows my mind. Do you do that or are you organised?

30:16I'm not, I'm, so I'm day to day. I'll just, I'll pick the bags up at the door. There's no plan in the head. At the door. Yeah, I'll pick the bags up at the door. But takes them to school and doesn't. But I will get them out the boot. Well done, mate. I will get them out the boot. But this is the thing, haven't I? Like I'll be planning for the next day, like I'll put on all the stuff in because they come home and peak it one day, but then they've got to take it back the next day. And then it's, and he's like, what are you doing? Come on, we want to watch something. And it's like, there's so much to do.

30:48Yeah, no, but being in mind, I remember seeing, I've ordered the Chinese takeaway right at seven o 'clock. I've picked it up, got it. And I'm still sat there waiting at half ten at night. So I think I've got right to say, are you going to sit down? I remember seeing on your Instagram, like your kid's wardrobe's ready for the new school. With all the stuff, I was just like, that's... That's the kind of vibe you like. It's my vibe. Yeah, I am organised. Yeah, me too. But then that's where it's hard. It's hard for me to then, because if Cleen's not there and you start organisation, it's just like, what is going on?

31:27I can't do that. I'm the complete opposite today. Yeah, it's not for me. So how old's your youngest? He's eight. He's eight, okay. We've got an eight. because um you know is there anything like you know because they're not far i mean you got you got how old's your oldest boy now 16 17 yeah so you're almost kind of you know they're almost self-sufficient this is the one like summer holiday where i wasn't desperate for them to go back to school like every other year i was like i can't wait till they go back can't wait but because they are that little bit older you're not having to see to them 24 set you know like they are very needy I think that's a boy thing as well boys like they'll literally go outside and say come and watch me on the trampoline do you know like but this year I felt like it was it was nice it was a bit more calmer and I wasn't desperate for them to go back we feel like that don't they they're a good age now although I'm missing the babies but I'm not allowed anymore I know you talking about that on the show having another baby maybe but you can't maybe like would you have another baby I got the snip no chance mate he was always against it and then once we had four he was like I found out about four and that was me done literally I know no chance I'd love it listen it's great we've got a busy household great I remember remember you you rang me when we lived in America when you fell I think it was when you were pregnant with the fourth yeah yeah do you know the story about it do you know the story that one was not planned Johnny was like four months old or something then it was like you're pregnant I was like what?

33:07When he went to Washington yeah do you know they called me first yeah and we were planning to go and they took you instead yeah they said we're going to go Faroonie don't be playing with me we're going to go Faroonie but if we don't get him then it'd be you and I was like I was so excited I said there's no way he's going there there's no way I said babe we're going to Washington it's going to be unreal three years we were looking at houses schools the whole lot and then I seen it on Sky Sports News a three year contract for a bastard I didn't have a Burnley you did bloody Burnley listen I enjoyed it you were in England that was it it was a long it was a long way to go like it was hard work wasn't it I think with the kids I think I remember speaking to you a bit when you were there it was hard with the kids it was like I went back the second time as manager yeah saying that you It was easier.

34:04And then you could obviously see it a bit more with the kids. Obviously, I was going to training or we'd go away for games and you were on your own with four kids. But we'd only ever moved from Liverpool to Cheshire. So it was a big move for us. Whereas I think with you, if you've moved around the country, it's different, isn't it? You're used to being away from your family. Yeah, exactly right. So the show's out now. What are you most excited for people to see? What are you? i think that you know people think that people in the public eye don't live a real life yeah so you're like robots whereas i think you know we we do do normal things like the school room we do you know day-to-day stuff and i think even though we're lucky to live in a gorgeous house and go on nice holidays and stuff all them things still do happen the kids are cheeky they don't behave we argue so I think people will look at it and think do you know what we do that and they're just like us and we've not even though we've been in the public eye since we're 16 we haven't changed you know our lives have changed but we haven't changed as people that's nice I think I'm funny on it well that's a change is it no Pete said before he's hysterical No, because he was life and soul.

35:30The England dressing room. I don't know, I can't sit still most of the time. When he was away from England, he'd be like, he'd be all, he'd never ever be in his room. So he'd always be like bouncing around in the treatment room, in the massage room. And I knew that if I come out of my room, he would be around doing something. I was very honest on that. If anyone else got bored, they'd come to you. I'm the man to come and see. Genuinely, that's how it was with England. I thought you were the class clown. Yeah, but I wasn't there for that long. He was there the whole time. But yeah, listen, we had some great times.

36:09Yeah, we did, yeah. I saw it mentioned once about... What's his name? Todd. Todd Tugger. Yeah. What's that called? Yeah, the accordion. Remember we walked past the bar every one day and we heard it. It was like, what's that? We were in the England system. The man just sat in the corner of the bar and I was like, what's going on here? There was a World Cup 2006, that. Oh, God. Yeah, we came back and he was playing the accordion. Took out of interesting times. But like I said, we had the best times there. I think, going back to your question, I think in terms of everything we've been through, it is important that people see us and I think one of the things we've always maintained is, you know, we're two kids from Crocs, obviously Liverpool, and that's never left us.

36:53and then even though we have been you know fortunate enough to make good money throughout football or work and and whatever and live in a nice house but actually being down to where it's houses it's never left us I think that's that's for me anyway that's really important that people still see that yeah without a doubt nice answer I'm going to get into some uh listener questions if that's all right with you yeah um okay nice question from yeah okay Jace 2022 if you could have if you could both have a day where you weren't famous how would you spend it it's a good question do you have to build yourself up like you know like i suppose where you live in your area people must know you've by now but do you build yourself up and go like for instance today you leave this hotel now you're thinking i don't know it's not gonna be quiet yourself you know what i mean yeah i know it depends on where we're going to like theme parks or stuff.

37:48Go build yourself up. Yeah, you'll have to. You get it as well, the same obviously because you hate it as well. And people will recognize you, you can't hide it. I'm a world class. No, but obviously, people will recognize you easily. They normally ask me to take the pictures of them. I'm like, well, that's what I said recently is like, on the show, the kids say, who's the boss? And they say, me. And that's because I've always took charge, you know, if we're in a bar or something, I'll go to the bar and get the drinks because if you guys, I'm waiting for an hour for him to come back. So there's certain things like that where I look like I'm taken to it, but it's because it's easier.

38:22Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mess around more as well, don't I? You do all the serious stuff and then I'll mess with the kids. It's kind of my role as well. But what would you do then? Where would you go? Would you do something? I don't know. I don't know. I'd go somewhere. Probably do like a festival or something. Yeah, I think we have done Glastonbury a few times in the past and it did result in us arguing. Yeah. Because. Never see him. Well, he went missing for two days, I think, on one of the festivals. Seems to be a team, yeah. Because we were arguing and it was because people were stopping to eat and he wanted to keep moving, but then we were with a group, so it all ended up and he said, I'm Gavin.

39:05Yeah. I couldn't find him. And that was that. I had one of my friends phoned me and was like, who lives in London, who I hadn't seen for ages. Wayne's with us in this part. I was like, leave, I'm fine. Just leave from there. Remember that wig you got for Glastonbury's your disguise? He had a ball of claw. I thought he only had his eyes on and still got his eyes out. He got a long wig. I think like a big game, like a World Cup final or something, where you can just go and take it in as a fan. Take it or enjoy it. I think enjoy it. I went to the Super Bowl a few years ago in Phoenix and I could do it.

39:40It was like a lot of American people there and I could just blend in. But to do it at like a World of Famous where no one recognised you, I think that would be a good thing. Yeah, nice. Do you have a family tradition that you have every year? Do you do a Christmas thing? Is there anything, birthdays? Is there something that you do? Yeah, Christmas is always, you know, your pyjamas. Matching jammies. And the kids, like, as they get older, they hate it. Why are you putting me in these? What else do we do? And the adults. And the adults, yeah. Other traditions? What else? I'm just going on that, what you said, the pyjamas at Christmas.

40:16It throws my head in. I love it. No, but why do you don't put pockets in the pyjamas? That's such a good point. What are you putting in your pocket? What I said, in your pyjamas? But you just put it on the couch? I know, but it just annoys me so much. I agree with that. I've got a problem with that. You're also half-masked every year. Every year. So if I want matching pyjamas, I've got to wear like three quarters. so they're triple XLs. Like, you cannot get the fees like within an inch of its life so it stays up. So gather, drive away. And then it's half-mast. Half-mast. And everyone looks great and I look horrendous.

40:53So, yeah, cancelled the pyjama. Do you know what I should do? I should buy two pairs and cut them off the knee and then get them sewn. That'd be nice. I always forget. I'll do that this year. Okay, this one is from Peter Crouch and he says, did you once throw a milkshake at Abbey when you were younger? Yeah.

41:14I might have spilt her No I think Going back years ago Obviously I'd be by the Showcase at McDonald's Cinema We were like children How old are we talking 12, 13? Yeah And then I think we probably had Disagreements or something And then Yeah Yeah I think I got her So we all We all Like we all knew Of each other So you moved by ours didn't you when my mum and dad split up we moved by them that must have been a very early teenager yeah we used to go dancing together i was gonna say yeah abby used to sing you are you've got a good voice haven't you yeah she has um you used to sing when there's a little mermaid yeah what was the other one that used to sing i used to sing stop no what was the other one um that early in the morning Superwoman Superwoman yeah oh I haven't heard that one my son can live as Capaldi he's had it oh fairly good it was so bad he was so off key and just ruined it all I'm joking so you would buy him on actually in DC we went to Waterloo's Capaldi we went back to see him after and there was only literally him his dad and his manager I'd had a few drinks and I was like I'm like, let's use him a song.

42:37So I'm singing with him. And I sang the wrong words. One word wrong. Wrong bass. I sang one word wrong and he pulled me up on it. Oh, my God. He didn't pull you up, he was laughing. Yeah, no, laughing. But I was thinking, I've got to wave that. Just no, stick to him. He's a great lad. Yeah, he's fabulous. And he wasn't off key, just that was a joke.

42:58We did something called the Agony Abs, which is where, obviously, Abby helps people out. And we've listed your help today, if that's all right. okay first one is anonymous which is usually always the best ones my children go to this amazing nursery and have done for eight years so they really know me and my kids i got pulled aside the other day for a serious chat what does it say this involving shabba so a shabba is something that pete does it's like if you're walking up the stairs he puts your finger up his bum and goes shabba drives me mad drives me mad head so like you're gonna walk off side yeah i mean that's what it is it's like and but now our listeners they're all doing it all over they do it yeah so they they love it and now everyone's doing it but like kids are doing it to mums and it's like sure but you know like jack does it to me all the time it's a bit of fun i mean it's a bit of fun well maybe i'll just read it out anyway my youngest has been chasing the nursery worker around the outside area trying to shabber her they were seriously concerned about their safeguarding and couldn't even deny it i told them it was completely innocent it was just a game from this podcast and uh and i would talk to my girls about playing only with the family but i was dying the next day i was desperately trying to find the episode of the podcast where explain the game and show them so they don't need to report me.

44:26I even get told that as a teacher, I should know better. What advice could you give me so that I don't use my job over the shabba? So the teacher was doing it to the kid? No, so the kid... Shut up. Are you messing? Don't. Who's the advice to him? No, so this lady is a teacher and she's saying I should have known better. She's saying her daughter or son, I think it was daughter, is shabbering at nursery school to teach her. But she's only learning at home, right? It's not her fault. It's actually our fault. It's your fault, yeah. But, I mean, how do you get around that? She just needs to find the clip of us talking about it and say, sorry, this is where it was from.

45:08Yeah, I think you've just got to try and, if you say, listen, to the people who you know and you're close to. Yeah, exactly right. That's the, you can do it to them. So when you leave... If there's anyone you don't know, then... No shabbering strangers. Nice, rule number one. Sometimes I get like the edge on an escalator that it's sort of... So if there's one thing you take away from today, it's that Danny movie. Okay, okay, we do one more. This is from Riley. I'm a long-time audio listener from Australia and I've had a couple of Vinos watching your Instagram reels. Absolutely dying. My partner and I are getting married in a couple of weeks.

45:46I live in Australia, so we're planning to do a mini moon after the wedding. What is that? It's like before the honeymoon, is that right? Well, it says before we do a proper Euro summer honeymoon in 2027. My question is for all of you, what is the number one top place you'd recommend that are the perfect mix of romantic, relaxing, a place where you can enjoy each other, but also somewhere you can have a good time? Make a racket and find a crowd to boogie with. That's from Riley. Maybe. there for me I think you can have that nice we've done it a few times different like so gone and had like more of a chilled one and then gone and had a mad one yeah it's a lovely island as well a lot of our friends live there and they love it for like the chilled yeah it's gorgeous and I think every time you get your family I prefer it like I went on my stag doing in 2008 and obviously we just partied wherever but obviously but then the places you go, the nice little beach clubs and I think...

46:50It's them like little restaurants in the middle of the way. Obviously, getting a little bit older, you didn't have that crowd rather than... And we don't even go to nightclubs normally, do we? No, we went in the summer and we had one night, didn't we? We went out, we prefer to do the days and just go with the flow and then not plan anything. We went with our friends and we'd all go for like a boozy lunch and then they'd go to bed and get up at like 1am. and go out to the clubs. That's what you used to do when you were... And I was like, and they're like, some of them are older than us and I was a bit like, come back from the lunch at like seven o 'clock.

47:25And I'd be like, I don't want to go to bed now. I'm pissed. I want to like stay up and have a few drinks. So we'd be going to bed at like 11 and they'd be up at 1am and go out and then we'd be having brekkie and they'd be coming in. I'd be like, I just can't do it. I've done that in Vegas once, didn't I? After the pool party. I went back to the room about six o 'clock we'd only just got there hadn't we and then I slept for 24 hours got in bed and I woke up 24 hours later and she just left me she didn't even wake me up yeah because I think you were you were drunk and you were annoying and I thought I could do without him he slept for 48 hours I was out of time yeah yeah that's not 24's not for me no I do like I've had to go in and see if he's still alive sometimes that's funny not now like you're full of energy now but you know when like i'd say maybe last year you'd do a 48 hour oh my god i don't think i've slept longer than eight hours in my entire life oh yeah i just feel like you're missing out on something something you need to do in that time no i would get up and go and get a pack of chips but something like that Another 24 Oh my god I'm starving Let's do another 24 That sounds ideal I'd love that That does sound like a good time Oh but listen I love spending time with you guys I genuinely I really really enjoy spending time with you and good luck with the show Yeah it's amazing We love it We are big fans already You know we're big fans so we'll be tuning in And everyone Go watch the show.

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