Pregnancy and football, with Josie Green

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0:36Clo: Welcome to Upfront, I'm Chloe Morgan and today I'm joined by one of my best mates, yes best mates, Crystal Palace's Josie Green. Josie and I go way back on and off the pitch so I'm very excited by the fact that she's pregnant and we're going to talk all about it. On today's episode we discuss pregnancy in the context of football, player support and the present and future of the Welsh national team. It's a big episode, so let's get stuck in.

1:08Clo: I could not be happier that I've got one of my Bezzers, a Spurs OG, in the booth with me to discuss some really, really exciting news. I'm beaming, you're beaming.

1:21Josie Green: It's because it's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.

1:23Clo: Yeah, generally. We've been through it. We've definitely been through it. And I've definitely said some very shady and weird and just some odd things over the years. I get that. But the nicest thing is to obviously talk about that you're pregnant. Yes. Congratulations. Thank you so much.

1:40Josie Green: How are you feeling, mate? Yeah, I feel good. I feel strong at the moment. The first trimester humbled me. I will be honest. What did you go through? What's that like? Tell us. Horror and hell in part. It's not going to lie. And sugarcoat it. The exhaustion was killer. yeah crazy and I think being an athlete you're so used to being in control of your energy levels and being able to influence them but yeah you really couldn't I was napping nearly every day um but still managing to train and power through um and yeah second trimester I feel like a new person a lot stronger and um mentally starting to like adapt a bit more too because that's been such an adjustment for me as well um but yeah I mean you're glowing oh yeah absolutely glowing when

2:26Clo: you walked in here you're absolutely beaming it just feels so nice to like sharing this like gorgeous news and um i remember obviously we met up in january we went to nando's really unsuspecting we're expecting a teammate jenna scalachi to be there and former pod um guest but we've not really heard from jenna in quite a while we haven't a little bit elusive is jenna jenna if you're listening it'd be lovely to get a text back um that'd be great um but you know sitting there eating my chicken, minding my own business, catching up on life. And then obviously you drop this like lovely, gorgeous bombshell.

2:59Clo: And yeah, it just feels like a really like special moment. Like I've seen you like grow up in a way. We've been at Spurs for years and years. And then obviously now you're at Palace and we'll talk a little bit about that.

3:09Josie Green: But yeah, we went through such a journey together. And we've known each other years through the football space. So yeah, it was really a lovely moment to share with you. And yeah, I feel like Nando's is our special place now.

3:20Clo: It literally is. Nando's on South Woodford High Road. If you've not been there, definitely give it a try. It's different from all the other Nando's. But yeah, I mean, in terms of where you're at, so you're 21 weeks gone. Are you doing the whole fruit thing? Like how big is your baby in comparison to a kiwi or like a nut or something?

3:37Josie Green: We are. And I go in every week at training and it's so sweet. The girls will be in the change room and they'll be like, Joes, what fruit are we on this week? And then they'll go around and then they'll guess the size of the fruit. And I actually, last time, I was like, this is so cute I need to document this moment so I filmed it um the 20 week one went around and

3:56Clo: filmed what fruit they guess wait let me guess because I've not seen this vid yet no I haven't

4:00Josie Green: I'm gonna oh it's not dropped yet no it's not but it's it's it's gonna drop soon but it's it's so just so lovely that I can share that with them um so I think it's core memory but yeah guess

4:09Clo: 20 weeks you're halfway through I'm gonna say it's gonna be smaller than a kiwi I think I think smaller than a kiwi kiwi's quite big isn't it I'm not going to give you any clues a tangerine no much smaller much smaller Christ what's smaller than a tangerine you can tell I don't eat a lot of fruit anymore and also know a lot of pregnant people it's very very true I'm going to go for what's a massive nut like a Brazil nut no what's the walnuts that you crack with the flipping metal thing

4:46Josie Green: The Christmas nuts. Yeah, the Christmas nuts. I know what you mean.

4:48Clo: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go for that.

4:50Josie Green: Absolutely so far off. Really? You could not be more wrong. Yeah. Go on. So the size of a large banana. Shut the fuck door, that's massive. That is absolutely... More in the length than the actual shape, obviously.

5:03Clo: Right, okay. So you're carrying, I mean, it's like, what's that, like half a ruler? It's about 15, what's that, like 10 centimetres?

5:08Josie Green: Bit longer, probably, yeah, 15 plus.

5:11Clo: I'm not, I don't know off the top of my head, but... I've really taken this conversation sideways. Are there any mums currently at Palace who have kind of been through what you've been through? Are you now the oldest? Because I remember you being one of the youngest and now are you like the mother of the camp?

5:23Josie Green: I am the mother. People do, even before I became pregnant, Amy Everett did call me mum. So I feel like I gave off mum vibes before I became a mum. Not the oldest pair, but yeah, first one ever, I think, to be pregnant at Crystal Palace. So yeah.

5:43Clo: Oh my gosh. and your baby's gonna have like so many younger sisters to like be around to be supportive so

5:48Josie Green: many role models my god yes honestly the girls have been amazing and so supportive and such like a sounding board for me and just going in and um yeah they've made my time a lot a lot easier so

6:02Clo: yeah very grateful for all of them definitely and I've been seeing you doing the absolute most on socials at the moment documenting the journey influencer mum vibes I've been absolutely love it how have you found that kind of being away from the girls a little bit more because obviously you have a different training schedule which we'll talk about in a sec but like also like making the most of like sharing and documenting your journey which has been lovely to to see it feels like

6:21Josie Green: you're enjoying it yeah and I really wanted to do it um just because I think when I went into it I didn't really I knew that there was obviously other people that have gone through it in football um from other clubs but I've never been in a club where someone's been pregnant um and I really didn't know what to expect or what the journey involved and I just think it's um important to share and it be more visible so that maybe you know people can feel comfortable to if they get pregnant come and ask me and then that shortens like the learning curve for them because I've reached out to other people um who've gone through the journey and it's really helped me just to like reassure me ask some questions because you know every athlete's different everybody's different and just to kind of know what their journey looked like a little bit really gave some reassurance to me because I've never been around it in in that setting so yeah who did you um who did you

7:13Clo: speak to because obviously there's quite a few mothers in the in the WSL and two years ago we sat down with uh Dagny Brunestotter uh she was at West Ham at the time and she was talking about her pregnancy and how she'd sought loads of advice from other players and now you've become kind of like one of the roster of players that people can speak to about um this experience but yeah who's

7:28Josie Green: been like your go-to for like motherly WSL advice um well I spoke to um Claire Emsley who's a good friend of chloe arthur on our team and she kind of linked us up and put us in contact and um she was brilliant she's in the ndo sl now but um had some amazing points for me um gave me some a lot of reassurance and um just knowledge that you know you're in this and you're fine and you can do it and um i spoke briefly to samoa mcgill who's also pregnant as well um it's just such a community of people out there who are just willing to speak and reach out and give you the support so it's been really nice to go through and from that aspect do you have a mum's whatsapp group is it like a wsl mums there is i'm i'm yet to be that's something i'm not yet added but i am it's

8:17Clo: on my list of things to to do and get myself on you have to wait until the banana becomes like a what like a melon or something is that that's a cut off maybe you mentioned obviously you're still at palace like quite a bit throughout the week um three days a week at you know during training but what does that look like week to week like day to day like what kind of things you're able to still do what kind of things you kind of like throwing back a little bit from yeah so um i'm in three

8:41Josie Green: days a week um it's um not all that i do though so i do four gym sessions and two swim sessions but my training's just really intentional um so instead of like chasing numbers and kilometers that I'm doing which I was so used to doing before um now it's more about kind of how does my pelvis feel how does my body feel I'm really going off like how I feel as trusting yeah trusting my body as a player and a person um so that's shifted me and a mindset that I've had to shift as well because you know as you can identify it's quite difficult to slow down sometimes when you're in the thick of football I think you always think that you everything has to be competitive you're

9:25Clo: always trying to chase like the number or like the person who's in your position or whatever it is so yeah to kind of step back from that competitive element and just listen to what your body needs in those moments is as tough for you as well because you're a mindset gal I am so that has

9:38Josie Green: been a real shift for me um and something that I'm still adjusting to um constantly being um held back a little bit so I obviously like to try and push and do more um but yeah in regards to what I can can and can't do um still doing lots of training on the pitch just shorter spaces I don't like doing any diagonals it kind of hurts my pelvis long balls can't really do um and any really like high intensity conditioning sessions i don't do anymore um so yeah it's been an adjustment finding out what you can and can't do and as the weeks go on it honestly it evolves so much like what i can do this week next week i might not feel comfortable doing so that's interesting adaptation is um or being able to be adaptable is key at the moment so are you i'm

10:28Clo: assuming that you get rid of the old stat vest as well because i used to hate wearing the stat vest because they're so when i was at palace we used to have this um screen uh that andy green used to set up yeah still there yeah and it was a screen on the edge of the pitch you'd walk onto the pitch and oh god the bloody screen's out again and you'd have your stat vest on and it was like a little like tracker that was stuck to the back of your neck and then like you'd go into your session then you'd come in from the session you'd all walk past this same gate and screen you could see and it was just like chloe amy i don't know jamie jenna whoever it was and it was just like you could see like the level it was like a bar chart yes and obviously because i was a keeper and not a very fit keeper because I was in my 30s and because I was getting on.

11:05Clo: Nothing wrong with age. Take that out. My bar would always be about here and everyone else's bar would be about here. So it's quite nice that you don't, I mean, I'm assuming your bar was like highest every single week, but it's quite nice to like not have to think about like those kind of things. Yeah.

11:19Josie Green: Well, they still track it. The stat vest is still on and the GPS is still on, but I just have my own, it's on my own, or on the physio's phone and separate from everyone else. So we don't look at everyone else's. We just look at mine. So that's nice.

11:32Clo: I love that. That's really lovely. Was this kind of a decision that you've been thinking about for a long time? I know we've kind of spoken about, you know, when the right time is. Like you've always said that, you know, you want to be a mum at some point. And I think it's really hard to kind of choose the right moment because obviously you had the Wales, you know, your Wales career going alongside that. But yeah, do you think it was quite difficult to kind of like choose when the right moment was for you? Timing's really difficult. tournaments playing for Wales something that you know I absolutely adore contracts length of them

12:07Josie Green: transitions when you transition from different clubs it's a really difficult thing to find a right time and I don't think there is a right time for anyone but life doesn't always you know align with a season or a calendar so it's just something that um I really wanted to to do and it felt like the right time for sure yeah and also I think on top

12:31Clo: of that also you can decide it's the right time but like your body and everything else and the whole process and stuff might decide that actually it doesn't happen for six months or it doesn't happen for a year or like it's really hard to kind of pinpoint you can't say oh well this season I'm gonna fall pregnant yeah exactly it doesn't work like that no it really doesn't and you know with

12:47Josie Green: someone that I don't know if it's too much TMI but someone that's had irregular periods and has found it difficult to track and um know where i'm at you can't find this guy that also brings a whole nother element to definitely to it as well so yeah you never know you never know

13:05Clo: but it's worked out really really well um i feel like it's um yeah it just seems so happy and i'm just so happy for you i can't wait for like i know little baby cuddles and things like your sister's only just down the road for me so i'm gonna be like all the bloody time as soon as you start. Auntie Chloe Cuddles. 100 % move aside Jenna. You've got the number one spot at the moment. Yes come on. On record. Back in the jersey come on. In terms of kind of pregnancy in the WSL like you mentioned a couple of people you're going to for advice but how do you think pregnancy is perceived in women's football not just within sort of Crystal Palace but but more generally because it feels like it was only yesterday like May 24 that FIFA institutes proper protection for players and coaches during and after pregnancy and then allow players allow clubs to sign players outside the transfer window if a player had to take maternity leave but do you feel like it's um I feel like the space is is in a good position to to be pregnant as a as a female player

13:57Josie Green: I think you know when you think back historically I think it's not it was it's not got negativity around I think it's more uncertainty um and especially with our bodies from a player perspective um our bodies being our job like there's that uncertainty of how your body's going to react and um it can feel risky when you're out of control um and I think you know you see more people doing it that helps these protections that have been put in by FIFA um in regards to maternity helps um so I think you know as a space of women's football's evolving these things are evolving too but it takes time and I think there's still improvements and um you know as everything with women's football it's not perfect and it's not smooth sailing at the moment so I think there's still you know room for growth in that aspect as well definitely no I hear you on uncertainty it

14:51Clo: kind of feels like it it feels almost weird that some of these regulations and kind of frameworks around maternity have happened so late I mean maternity and you know women female players having babies has been happening for years and years and years and yet only in the last like what two or three years we've really seen there being kind of like structure around it which is which is wild um and I think also I mean there's uncertainty with the women's game with contracts and the length of contracts and things like that so it always feels like there's a bit like there's heightened anxiety anyway when it gets to like your I don't know February March time and you're like oh is the is the I don't know the club gonna have a discussion with me and whatever it is

15:23Josie Green: so um yeah no I hear you but I think you know seeing you know players that have gone through it before and they've managed to do it um really helps and sees that you know you you can do both and that's been a real comfort for me seeing those players and then hopefully that's something that I

15:38Clo: can achieve as well definitely I also feel like you're the kind of person who will like look at this experience and where maybe there has been sort of um I know things that haven't or they could have been smoother sailing and kind of do something after your pregnancy to kind of help others I just I just I feel in my bones with you um but obviously I think outside of the you know still able to do with the club and you've always been interested in well-being and holistic support of players I mean when we're at when we were at Spurs one of the one of the nicest things that you did because obviously like Spurs we were like oh my god we're finally made this the WSL this is absolutely wild we don't know what's going to happen all these new players were coming in we're training this like weird training environment like one one day we're training we're in front of 38 ,000 people next day we're in front of about 50 and you know and it's just like this really weird environment but like it was yeah you kind of brought us together most mornings to kind of do this yoga session which how many times did you come I think maybe the first one yeah um and it wasn't through that I didn't I didn't appreciate the sessions it was more that like yoga for me just felt too static like it felt like I needed to do something so the teacher needed to improve no no it was more that i like like yoga is a concept it's like i need to do something dynamic like i need to like burn calories like just run and do things whereas i felt like yoga was like a bit too um it's too calm yeah yeah but like how do you feel about that stuff now because obviously like you've been working on the sort of the yoga and holistic stuff outside of um palace so can

17:07Josie Green: you tell us a bit bit more about that yeah i think it's really helped me um and helped me increase my tolerance to stress and my resilience so like you were talking about how you just need to burn and just get through and push through and I think I used to think that as resilience and think that that was a way forward but I think I see now um through you know doing this mindfulness and yoga practice that um understanding how my nervous system works is so important to um how you know I feel and if I can recognize when I'm stressed that means I can regulate it so doing things like yoga my mindfulness um journaling and you're you know I can tell you where's this you're not on board with you I don't know if you know they're little things but I think they're really impactful in my life um and I genuinely feel like doing these things have managed to help me regulate stress become more resilient and especially in stressful situations in football you come up against them all the time big crowds yeah constant stresses I could list literally a whole book of them as could probably you so it's really helped me and also I've learned that through pregnancy you can't push through it's your body doesn't let you listen yeah you have to listen so if you're stressed it tells you even more so than if you weren't pregnant and if you've done too much it tells you so having these tools in my back pocket have really helped

18:40Clo: god you're so well now you're so mature no there's been tough moments these are just like the highlights you've launched a wellness gratitude journal across the floor fuck this no to be fair i i went through a phase of like no drinking i was at crossfit all the time and then i was um what do you think i was like doing a wellness or gratitude journal i'd write down three things i absolutely like I you know I loved about the day it could be something stupid like I petted a cavapoo puppy today or it could be like I saw my mum and dad whatever it was and like that was really nice because it changes your mindset into looking for positive things so like I used to be a bit kind of like oh I feel a bit wishy-washy things like that but actually when I was doing them I noticed the benefit really quickly so yeah and you've got to find what works for you what works for me might not work for you but um I just say to yeah just keep trying little things

19:27Josie Green: and yeah, it does make a massive difference as well as for me, especially. Keep petting the capoos and money.

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20:27Clo: let's talk a little bit about world because that's obviously been such a massive part of your journey um they begin their world cup qualification campaign tonight against czechia yes i'm so excited to watch them play yeah are you like how do you like feel about it kind of watching from a distance now i just do you know what after being at the euros and watching the

20:47Josie Green: amount of fans that turned up and the support that we have um it just gets me like so it like you say like trying to look at it from a different perspective. And I'm just so excited to, you know, watch the team as more of a fan and really just enjoy watching them play football. But don't get me wrong, it is tough to be on the sidelines and not be so involved. But I'm so excited to look forward to seeing the campaign get underway.

21:15Clo: Definitely. I mean, you mentioned the Euros there and I was lucky enough to, we had you down at a watch party for the Euros final in July in London, which is amazing and you're on stage with Claire Rafferty kind of talking about what it'd been like to literally just leave the Euros two weeks earlier a week earlier um I mean obviously you and this group of players took Wales to their first ever major tournament um tell us a little bit about what that experience is like I could listen to this account over and over again about the fans that you came across and and the vibe out there in Switzerland yeah honestly it gives

21:46Josie Green: me goosebumps still even now talking about it and I just remember one um a standout moment for me and that was the first game in Lucerne. And we were in the meeting room getting ready to leave the hotel and get on the bus. And you could hear the sea of Welsh fans outside the hotel and they were all singing the national anthem. We were trying to have this like really serious team meeting getting ready for the first game and you could just hear the anthem and all of us just looked at each other like, what? Is this real? Crazy, is this real? And then we got to the stadium. When we walked out for the warm-up, just the sound and the view and the sea of red shirts, it's like something I'll just treasure forever like it was unbelievable what does that like when

22:26Clo: you reflect back on it now obviously you've had a bit you know you've had almost six seven eight months to kind of look back on that experience I mean it was such a historic thing to have done with the club do you feel like you've actually appreciated the significance of the moment country but close the club the country even yeah but do you feel do you realize do you think like you've appreciated like how big that that was for you in terms of like as a personal moment but also kind of on a wider level about what that did for you know Welsh football I think when you're in it

22:52Josie Green: not so much but yeah like you say reflecting and taking that step back you do realize kind of what a historic moment it was and I think it's given the whole team that drive to push and go for it again because we don't just want our legacy to be one tournament we want it to be multiple so I think it's really added some more fuel to the fire which is I love that yeah which is fighting talk

23:13Clo: dragons yeah um what do you feel like you've learned sort of going through an experience like that because obviously it was a massive thing that that happened for for you guys but also it was a super tough group it was um you went through some very battling experiences and as a kind of i don't want to be a more mature player because you're still super super young in my eyes you're still a baby to me and jenna um thank you but yeah i paid her to say that give you the 10 pounds later but yeah what do you feel like you've learned and what do you feel like you um give to kind of like the younger players at Palace I suppose because I think they'll be aspiring to kind of do what what you've done really absolutely do you know what I think for me the big takeaway

23:50Josie Green: from all of that was just how it inspired the younger generation and just Welsh women's football in general and the group was so tough and you know the results some of them weren't obviously what we wanted as a team and collective and some of the performances weren't but if you just look at kind of the whole of the experience for not just us as players but for everyone who came out I think it just shows it was just such a great great showcase for for Welsh women's football on on the global stage so I think that's something we can take away and be really proud of.

24:28Clo: Rhianne Wilkinson said this is quite a big period of transition um you've had some sort of massive retirements as well uh two players like you know Jess Fishlock uh Kayleigh Barton as well I mean what do you kind of see for this Wales team sort of going through this maybe pretty much maybe sort of similar to what the Lionesses did when they you know when Jill Scott and Ellen White and and they're sort of like were moving along and then the next generation was coming through do you see

24:49Josie Green: a kind of similar pattern with with Wales really absolutely there's got to be a transition of um of players and it's just the nature of the game and um Jess and Kaylee moving on they've left such a legacy and there were such big players and characters and Jess is now coaching for um or is on the coaching staff for um this window and I think that's just so important because she brings such a wealth of experience and um having her in and around the team can embed those values that she's had and her knowledge um through the younger players as well so her still being involved I think is massive for the team but also um that period of transition for the younger players going through it's so important for them to go through these qualifying experiences so um when they get to a major tournament they're ready and um ready to put their best foot forward yeah definitely do

25:40Clo: you feel like it's something you'd like to do in future kind of um be a part of you know how you build kind of more you know player support and structure around like well-being and you know the emotional support that you give players kind of going through this moment like you've lived and eaten and breathed a really difficult kind of major tournament don't get me wrong there were

25:56Josie Green: some really tough times and being together as a team and having that you know being around each other we weren't used to being on camp for I can't remember what it was in the end but you know three four weeks pushing a month um you're around together all the time so there are stressful testing moments and difficult conversations you have to have as a team so navigate navigating those if you know it's a great experience as a person and hopefully um something that like you say is that something I want to do in the future I'd love to be able to give some of my um some my experience that I've gone through in in a coaching role or something similar in a psychology

26:35Clo: or well-being role I think something that I could yeah really thrive in how what were the big personalities doing in those moments in the changing rooms when you're just about to go out

26:44Josie Green: to those big games yeah what were they doing to kind of calm nerves um good question um there's always a playlist I feel like that was um managed by Rachel Rowe loves to um put a bit of good upbeat music on um then you have Kaylee Green absolutely amping up if a banging tune comes on loves a boogie and um I feel like Jess Fishlock's very like reserved in the zone um very much focused on like her pre-act routine stretching does all the things she needs to do around you know her her knee injury that she had um very much in the zone so I feel like there's a real contrast of personal personal big personalities in the changing room but you can see everyone just doing what they need to do to to get in the zone for the big games so a massive mix then cool calm collected and then a little bit of chaos with the music yes and then also we have this team tradition where put on Proud Mary.

27:49Josie Green: Okay. By Tina Turner. By the way, you have to go and listen to it. So you can get the vision of us all just having a boogie going out before the game. And the volume is turn up to the max. Yeah, we're all in a circle, having a great time to really bring us together before we go out.

28:08Clo: Do you know why that song was choked? Like why that's become your anthem?

28:11Josie Green: No idea.

28:12Clo: No, not a clue. No. Everyone's accepted it.

28:14Josie Green: Someone will know where that's come from. I can't think right now, maybe it's my baby brain. But yeah, that's just something we put on. And it's brilliant.

28:23Clo: I can't imagine any of the youngsters really even know who Tina Turner is, to be honest. They're just like, this has just been happening for years and we can't stop it. There's nothing about it. You would hope so, but now they're educated. Or maybe this next gen of like Welsh footballers will just be, I'm not doing this anymore. Put Dua Lipa on and, you know, stop this nonsense. Probably, yeah. And that's the time you walk away from the whole thing. in terms of the next generation of talent like who do you think are wells's next biggest shining brightest stars who do you um oh there's there's a lot of young welsh blood coming through i don't

28:55Josie Green: know if you've heard of mara griffiths um recently well she's on loan from united to sunderland and um scored on her debut i believe not bad absolute worldy goal if anyone has seen it brilliant brilliant finish so you know you've got players really youthful players like that you've got players like Carrie Jones who's still I feel like you know she's been around forever but she's still such you know a young and upcoming player who can offer so much technically to the team and yeah you've there's really a wealth of talent I feel bad singling out those two people because there are so many coming through.

29:36Josie Green: But yeah, it's just an exciting time and I'm excited to watch, hopefully, them in action in the upcoming games.

29:42Clo: The next year, I'm kind of taking that next step further. Yeah. We're talking about the next step then. What do you feel like are the next steps for you? I mean, babies born in June, July or so? Yes, around that.

29:54Josie Green: Well, I feel like you can't plan these things. They do come when they come, I've heard.

29:58Clo: They never keep a tight schedule, the babies. um I've heard from none of my I'll be on my toes in summertime okay yeah um but yeah what do you feel like are the next steps after baby's born um you know do you foresee a world in which you go back to to football and kind of I don't know I see for you kind of like one of those moments where you've got like green on the back of a little baby shirt and you're walking out funny you said

30:22Josie Green: that at least did um get me my only baby item that I've got in my house is a Wales kit from Elise Hughes love that um and it's hanging up and it's got mum on the back and it's the cutest thing and fitting that the baby is going to be a girl and her first thing is a football kit so 100 % yeah just I have a vision of me you know hopefully coming back and coming out with baby girl with her mum Wales kit on I just think that would be unbelievable oh my god mate I absolutely see that for you putting no pressure on it but yeah if it happens it happens

31:00Clo: and I also see like there's a I don't know like a retirement thing whenever you choose to do that kind of like a guard of honour you and your little girl with green on the back or like yeah mum on the back of her shirt kind of like oh mate I'll be in bits you've got to tell me when that game is because I'll be dehydrated. Thinking a bit too far ahead

31:15Josie Green: but not thinking about that.

31:16Clo: No, I'll be dehydrated from tears. I'll tell you that for free, mate. Yeah. But yeah, thank you so much for joining us. Oh, thank you.

31:24Josie Green: I didn't get to give any of my stories from back in the day, but maybe they're just not that appropriate for the podcast.

31:32Clo: What happens in the Spurs training ground stays in the Spurs training ground. Okay, we're wrapping it up now. We've talked about this many a time. I know what Josie's alluding to. we played a game of two truths and a lie and it didn't go well for me and that's all you need to know about it

31:45Josie Green: maybe for another day

31:47Clo: maybe for another pod but yeah really appreciate you coming down and we'll definitely have to have you back on maybe we'll have our first baby on the pod I don't know how it goes in terms of sound wise nor do I, I'm saying yes now yeah you're like there's absolutely fucking no chance that I'm wheeling a baby into central London for you yeah I'll see you in Woodford Nando soon mate absolutely yeah let's get a date in the diary

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