#2932 RHOM S7E6 Part 2: Narcs and Recreation w/ Amy Phillips

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2:48Ben Mandelker: check in the feed and be sure to subscribe so that way you always get your episodes but enough of that let's get right back into the episode okay so daniel is he saying goodbye now okay good he leaves daniel says his goodbyes and uh lisa comes out of the bathroom and gertie's tells us as i'm having my issues with julia all i want is to have someone say you know what i have empathy and let me help you make it right with the other which by the way that would have been a good role for Daniel to play. Someone saying, I have empathy and let me help you make it right. I mean, if only there were, if only there were like a self-help guru here, like a mediator that could actually, you know, help them direct them.

3:34Yeah.

3:35Ben Mandelker: Somebody specializes in interpersonal relationships. God, too bad they didn't have one, but Gertie decides that, you know what, if no, just because no one did that for her, doesn't mean that she wants to still pay it forward. So if no one does it for her, she can do it for someone else. So she decides she's going to mediate between Larsa and Lisa. So she gathers them. She gathers the two of them and she brings them over to like, she brings them over to like a little bench. A lot of bench. So many benches in this garden. Yeah. It's a metaphor. Not every bench has a back. So you have to learn to hold your back up straight without any help.

4:20That's why Alexia is in a large throne with golden wings on it because she doesn't know how to stand on her own.

4:28Ben Mandelker: It's important for me that you're sitting on a metaphor because what we want to do with this narcissistic behavior is bench it. So we're going to take it and we're going to bench it. It's the name of my next book called Don't Let Benches Affect You, Stupid. Help me pick the color of the bench. So they sit down. Okay, just the two of you. Just the two of you. Okay, listen to each other. Listen. Listen to each other. Okay, have a talk. Communicate, okay? I will be right over here. I'm going to watch you talk. Okay, Larsa, would you like to start talking? larsa please start and please please say please say what you need to say to lisa i was i was trying not to fight with you today i know you and i have and i just wanted to talk i i this has been going on since another season which i think we only have summer here don't mention in miami but i feel like it's happened since even four summers ago and i feel like i feel like i've been okay okay okay I need to moderate.

5:35Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry. I'm coming in. I'm a mediator. Okay. All right. Am I wrong? Okay. You sit there. Lisa, you keep sitting there. Okay. All right. Scene. I'm going to sit right over here. Okay. Now continue. Larsa, I have been a good friend to you lately. He's been a good friend. Okay. A good friend. Well, I have been a good friend to you in the past. And a good friend back in the past. Yep. Yep. Yep. And Gertie, we don't need you to. meditate. You do. I'm going to meditate. Say the thing about Jodi. They need to be alone. Say something about Jodi. Jodi, you need to be alone. Is that what you want? Okay, you know what?

6:22Ben Mandelker: This isn't really working. The fact that the two of them were talking and Gertie kept on jumping in. I was dying. I was cracking up in this scene. It was one of the best scenes I've ever seen. It really was. And she was far enough away, like a ref would be, you know, like a baseball ref, like behind, you know, home plate or it was just so good. She was like talking back to the screen. It was like she was at the movies and she was talking back and they're finally like, OK, let's just go meet at a restaurant. We can't do this with Gertie here. it's not going to be fixed today yeah it's not going to be fixed it will we'll figure it out but not today not today no so uh then now this whole party is officially over and now we see some stuff going on around around town um adriana is um she has a textbook out and she's talking to her dog about personality disorders?

7:22Ben Mandelker: Is she studying? I know it's the DSM-5. It's like the official book, the official, official, official book for that all therapists, counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists, everybody. It's the Bible or dictionary, if you will, of what every single mental health condition and and beyond means and is and it gets legitimized in this book and that's why it's five because there have been five versions this is the fifth version so they update it as things get you know you know how you change things from i don't know um so for example uh what was the um munchausen by proxy okay that's that is no longer called that that's called fictitious disorder.

8:13So I, yeah. So because Munchausen was like the person that discovered what this is. So they named it after that person and it's just such a weird name. So they're, they're calling it what it is instead of after that person. So they go in and they change it in this book and correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I understand it to be. It's like the go-to.

8:32Ben Mandelker: Wow. So I wonder is Adriana, is she studying to be a therapist? Is that something that we learned somewhere along the way that I, like it sounds vaguely familiar. It does, but I know I'm confused too. I'm confused also, and also concerned for her future clients. So let's be honest. Could you imagine your therapist is Adriana DeMora? What about me? Let me ask you a question. Have you heard hit song, Miami's On Fire? Well, remember when she did ketamine last year? She is on this journey of therapy. So maybe she just has it for her own sake. And she is very scholarly. She has a few degrees. She speaks a lot of languages.

9:21Ben Mandelker: Does she have a degree from – this could be totally wrong, but does she have a degree from Harvard or something like that? Or University of Paris or I don't know. She does have degrees, art degrees, and she's very intelligent. yeah she is she has she's like very studied um so this makes sense um lisa is getting some like her butt electrocuted so it's like like yeah this is the equivalent of 20 000 squats she's like i'm in wow and then we just see her butt just just bobbling undulating bobbling bubbling and bobbling Kiki takes her daughter to dance class and now we arrive at Julia's house and a social worker named Connie shows up and Connie's doing a check-in to make sure that the new kids are okay, etc.

10:15Ben Mandelker: And so Julia's, you know, being very nice to this lady and she's saying, like, I just cannot stop smiling because Martina is spoiling the boys so much. They have this incredibly cute relationship and Martina is good at everything. Of course, she will be a great mom. It's another scene of them talking about their growing family, which feels a little cringe in the wake of Martina's tweet earlier this week about how surrogacy is wrong. You saw that tweet. She said, surrogacy is wrong. Sometimes we can't have it all. I'm like, you are literally sitting through a two-year storyline about your adoption process.

10:55Ben Mandelker: Sometimes you can have it all, by the way. I would like to say it was, it was very insensitive and, uh, close minded, you know, just having blinders on of not recognizing what's really happening in the world and, and, and other people like, yeah, it's just, uh, it's also just like, it's like what a random hill to die on. Like, why, why are you coming for surrogacy? You know, if it helps people like achieve the dreams of their family and help someone else actually earn like a paycheck, like why not? I know. You know, I was pretty shocked by that. Yeah. Yeah. It was gross. Um, so Julie is just going on and she basically is having this whole scene where she talks about how, um, that, uh, her kids came over or her family came over and then the kids were very trepidatious and she recognized that.

11:43I appreciated her talking about that. Yeah.

11:46Ben Mandelker: I wonder, like, I'm just curious. I wonder if like, is the, like, is the approach to protect the kids until they feel more comfortable around strangers or, Or is it like exposure therapy to be like, no, like you're going to have to get used to people coming by. I'm very curious of what the actual what seems to be the better approach for something like that, because there's a part of me that feels like, oh, don't like like don't start like sheltering the kids away from strangers too much because then they may like not socialize properly. Oh, I don't know. It's a good point. I don't know. I don't know what the right you know, but then those kids have gone through trauma of having to different households and stuff like that.

12:21Ben Mandelker: and there is some desire to have normalcy. So this is interesting. I thought about, I think it's smart to pull back at first. If she noticed that that was the reaction, I think it's smart to be overly cautious, at least for a while. And then they are, they are new in the house. Yeah. Wow. And make it make life like safe and, you know, calm for them. Yeah. Get that foundation. Yes, exactly. Sing, just sing some opera to them. Just calm their nerves.

12:53Ben Mandelker: just calm those nerves with some sweet tunes um now we go over to stephanie she's having a dinner with with her husband masood and her parents nelly and joe biden i was like

13:12Ben Mandelker: you're so funny i was like what joe biden has a secret family here in miami hilarious i didn't that's really he looks just like joe biden yeah i didn't even think about it but you're so right when he smiled yes it was 100 joe biden so um stephanie is like anything that has to do with my parents worries me i mean if they have a migraine i worry if the hurricane's coming i'm devastated i installed their nest and ring cameras in their house and i haven't even told them i can see them in their house is that weird i think it might be criminal i mean it's not criminal right it's your parents what if they fall i want to know i was like um jacks is that you the spirit of jacks lives on yeah um so she is really attached to her parents and um her dad is only about like a year or two they're not that two i think right two years yeah just two years 65 that was yeah shocking that's really close i mean i understand may december relationships it happens that way but absolutely that's really close it just yeah it really took us to the reality of what that must have been like for her dad or her mom even just hello nice to meet you but they're such a match that's what's wild about it is they really do she's an old soul she loves to work and they just they work together he loves doing tiktok dances so he's a young soul

14:49Ben Mandelker: and yeah they um they are just a wacky wacky duo i want him to show up like with a skateboard be like at a boom box be like hey what's going on i'm a young soul yeah bandana young masood young masood dj young masood dj young masood so um stephanie is talking uh about business because she loves business she goes you know i feel like a lot of what i am as a businesswoman comes from my dad it really does i mean i was literally raised like a boy okay like learn to ride a bike don't cry you can do it you're not quitting keep going it was like that and he told me the weak people will never survive and then the dad is like yes it's a saying of mine always have a knife in your mouth

15:42my dad always says that i love how he has these things it's so good it's so much better than

15:46Ben Mandelker: those things in the mirror mirror it's just like great just they're threatening yeah they're borderline threatening but they make you a stronger person i don't can i just say this hot take. I don't want a knife in my mouth. That feels dangerous and scary. What if I trip? I don't know. I'm sorry. It's not safe. That's not safe. You should leave your knife in a holster or some sort of sheath and leave it at home. If I saw Stella with a knife in her mouth, I would say, young lady, you are coming back to Orange County right this moment. You leave that rave right now, young lady. I see. I can see you on FaceTime and that knife is not in a sheet.

16:33Ben Mandelker: Have you been out after 2 a.m. dancing with a knife in your mouth, young lady? You are leaving Paris right this moment. God, mom. Can't even have a knife anymore. If you have a sheetless knife in your mouth, you'll die. You'll die. You'll die. Someone will die. Someone will die. Earl the Pearl. I saw him holding a butter knife and I said, don't put that in your mouth unless you've got a sheath for it. He said, why are you always coming down on me? He said, I'm trying to be a pirate. And I was playing games. I was playing sex games. I said, I don't like that. It's too dangerous. It's too dangerous.

17:12Ben Mandelker: Maybe if you ate some more vegetables, I would trust you with that knife. But until I see you using that knife on a carrot, I just don't know.

17:21Ben Mandelker: Earl the Pearl, the original pirate. The original pirate. he's the first ever people don't realize

17:34oh pirates new song i'm working on and now for limited time only countess luana and julia julia julia julia blosh in russian what's her last name again uh herzegovina i don't know

17:55Ben Mandelker: Julia and Countess Luann sing the hits in a round river in a canoe on the moon river paddling slowly even though the moon is covered by a cloud cloud I don't really know the lyrics to Moon River beyond Moon River. Moon River. And then I'm like, I don't know the rest. Sure. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

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21:07Ben Mandelker: so uh stephanie starts talking about her her her her siblings and basically they they're not talking and the siblings aren't talking to the parents either and that they're like oh god they're so sensitive no one talks like oh my god and so stephanie's saying she wants to make it better and she is planning to make it better but i don't think it's gonna get i don't think it's gonna get better i think this could be one of those classic situations where it's going to be like, well, you keep talking about us on your TV show and you're just making it seem like you're the hero and that's going to make them like her even less.

21:39I agree, Ben. And then the dad getting in there. You're welcome. And then the dad getting in there and being like, you know, because Stephanie said they're very sensitive. And he's like, a lot. A lot.

21:54Ben Mandelker: Oh, God. Not even a toothpick in their teeth. Right. Let alone a knife. Let alone. Yeah. And I just thought, don't, don't, don't do this. And the best thing that happened was the mom was like, please don't, I'm going to cry, you know, because this was starting to be dangerous for her making up with them on this show, which I know she would like to do. So our only hope is if the sisters are thirsty enough for fame, that they'll be willing to make up on television. one can only dream um it's there's not a great track record with these kind of things but yeah but yeah the dad uh going on tv and being like oh god they're so sensitive it's not gonna be very helpful from a different planet he said i forgot from a different they're like aliens and not like the not cute sexy aliens they're like elf it's like i've got two daughters and they both look like elf who wants that bad it's really bad dad stop it so um now we go to gertie and russell and they go to couples therapy and it's just a very nice scene where um they talk about um you know the trauma of cancer and Gertie's saying how she really wants to like she wants Russell to be in a couple with Russell again and not that he has to be the caretaker as much anymore.

23:27Ben Mandelker: This was such a lovely scene and I got a little misty eyed I'm not gonna lie as she talked about like the struggles and how she there was a point where she was saying that she like was like I don't care what happens maybe if it's my time to go it's my time to go and then he was like no I need you. And I was like, that kind of like, that kind of got me a little bit there. Me too, Ben, because I mean, this is the part of like, when you struggle with cancer, a lot of the times you don't see the rebuilding portion when you survive and you're, you're, you may be continuing treatment, but you don't really get to hear about the trauma with your partner during that time.

24:08And it was so touching to hear Russell say, well, no, when I look at you, I don't it's not like I feel like a caretaker when I look at you when I look at you I'm in awe I I'm so proud of you I can't believe you're so strong and we got to see Gertie hear that for the first time in this therapy session and she was so emotional it was amazing I got like chills

24:29Ben Mandelker: when he said you know you always say I'm traumatized I'm not traumatized I'm amazed I'm proud of you I was like oh I was like that was that kind of took my breath away a little bit Like that was just such a beautiful and wonderful thing to say. I mean, like season after season, Russell really shows up to be like a great husband on this show. The greatest husband, one of the greatest husbands I think we've ever seen. Yeah. Because how many husbands have we seen or boyfriends on various other Bravo shows where like the wife is going through something, whether it's pregnancy or postpartum or something like that.

25:06Ben Mandelker: And then the husband like steps out on her and it's like, well, I just wasn't getting the attention. yada yada yada you know we just are reading the gossip about sheena and brock how he cheated on her when she was pregnant he was like i just felt like i didn't deserve to be another fall though again there's always some bullshit excuse right but then it's like nice to see someone like russell who's like i'm just gonna stand by my wife's side and be like the best husband i possibly can be to her unbelievable it's great unprecedented really yeah he's so great um and then gretchen talks about um her abandonment issues that she has and she talks about how she was basically dropped off in miami and like the rest of her family got to live in france and so she kind of felt like left out and that may be like the root of of like a lot of her reactions to things yeah that that is traumatizing i mean yeah wow it's wild and then we got to see her react to russell in that moment for the first time and then in the confessional she had another epiphany she was like maybe that what happened to me i'm like oh my gosh she's really knowing it all she's she's having like a triple header of epiphanies because she was like she's like i mean i mean you don't understand what it's like to be dropped off at a cousin's house and then you don't see your parents for another you don't see your father for three more months and you're just wondering when's he gonna come back to get me wait a second maybe this is why i act the way i do i never thought about that before.

26:30She doesn't even need a therapist to come to her own conclusions because she's talking so much. She can direct herself into that discovery.

26:39Ben Mandelker: She can do it all herself. So she gratified her therapy. So now it's the main event. We Lisa and Larsa are going to meet up to finally settle the score. Let's move forward. Get back to being the best friends that they are. yeah yeah yeah so let's like sit down and like let's talk yeah um like how long can it be before we like sit down like honestly like right right well so like i just feel like um you weren't um i wasn't well i don't want to be here but i'm here so um i just really feel like you're not a good friend so wow wow okay well you know what there's like a lot to dive into okay um because like you know what like there's a lot yeah but like we've been having issues since the summer because i've never been thrown out of someone's house before like yeah and i've never been sworn out like that at my house before okay so let's see the flashbacks of like the first episode when they like fought you know and Lisa threw her out of the house you know and Lisa's like you know what you know Jody he got heated because of Marcus because it's a touchy subject Marcus Jordan very touchy subject for Jody

28:01Ben Mandelker: obviously you know Marcus is a very central person in Jody's life very like you have to tread lightly they're so tight so tight bros bros before hoes you know it's never truer and then when you look at marcus and jody i know and and larsa's always like he met him through me he met him through me he met him through me is that true yeah because jody i mean uh larsa's the one who brought marcus into the group right okay so they didn't actually know each other before the show no jody fully latched on to marcus and i'm just it's also like really can't you do better jody so larsa's like well jody said to me you're the one that had the paparazzi take the photo of Marcus in the south of France.

28:47Ben Mandelker: And I said, me? What am I? The CIA? And that's what started it all. Well, the paparazzi guy told us and he told that to Jody and Jody told me and then I told Jody and Jody told, I told, so that's how it happened, Larsa. What? What? Wait, you're full of shit. That's the sound. I'm doing the foley. I'm doing the sound effects on the soundtrack. that's who said that's you're such a narcissist who said you could even do the foley and the sound effects that should be split up amongst all of us as a cast and you didn't even talk to any of us about doing that and lenny oh i'm sorry jody has a problem with that too why are you saying that why are you saying that i'm full of shit also why why why why you know why because you're running low on friends and i'm the only friend that literally took the time to meet you for lunch because guess what?

29:42Ben Mandelker: No one else is at this lunch but me because I'm like the only one that took the time because guess what? I picked up my watch and I was like, look, I'm taking my time because I'm taking the time because it's a watch and I took it. Stop. Okay. Okay. I'm not running low on friends. I'm running low on cocaine. I mean, I mean, I mean, oh, it's AC. I mean, I'm running low. No, she gets some AC. you change you change friends like you change like like you change uh underwear slowly and one word at a time just choose here's what i do look around find an object that's near you and then use that okay okay okay so you you flicker your friendships like that fake candle over there that is never going to go out like it should.

30:37Ben Mandelker: You know what? You can't be in my son because you're like that awning because you can't be in my son, the awning face. See, it works. Just find an object. Okay, that was actually a good one, but I'm not an awning face, okay? You should worry about your window treatments inside of your house and not mine on the outside because your darkness and your drapes need to be trimmed. Well, I'm sorry that you don't like the window into my personality because it's a personality that has a lot of options like a menu and I'm going to order a crab cake from myself, my personality and a Diet Coke, please. The waiter's like, you don't have to keep doing your bit while I'm taking your order.

31:36How about you order, how about I order also to split the tuna tartare with you and your stupid games that you play? Please.

31:47Ben Mandelker: Tuna tartare, something that's not cooked at all. Like Lisa's personality, ha, raw, you're raw, but not in a commendable way.

32:02I'm not sure she would say that. But yeah.

32:14Ben Mandelker: I did like when you mentioned before, when Larsa was like, you're a narcissist. You know what? I'm a narcissist. You're a narcissist. I was like, okay, Lisa, that was pretty good. Lisa has had such good ones. Last week when she called Stephanie, a boss baby in her confessional, she had me. I was like, nice. that was good you know she gets it right like once at least once an episode she gets one in she does so so lisa goes off to the bathroom and she calls alexia to cry and she's just like she's going on she's like you know you know it's doing that lisa sobbing venting thing and um alexia is just like that does not care alexia is clearly like getting her nails done and just giving her like generic support you know she's like oh yeah lisa's like oh my god i can't She said there's red flags.

33:00Ben Mandelker: Everyone hates you. You have no friends. Yeah, no, yeah, no, that's terrible. No, that's not nice. That's not nice. That's not true. That's so generic. No, no. I want the poppy, poppy red. What? No, you're just popping red mad right now, Lisa. Don't worry about it.

33:23Ben Mandelker: I'll do the paraffin, please. What? I mean, you are a parent and you are fantastic. Oh, okay. Right. I am. But hold on. I'm getting kicked out of the bathroom by a stranger. Because there's a lady in the stall. Lisa, she is sobbing and she's going on and on and on. And there's a lady in the stall. And you just see the camera just keeps showing this woman's feet. Just like, oh, my God. I want to leave this bathroom stall. but there's a woman having a meltdown outside by the sink i can't believe if my feet were filmed under a stall i would feel so violated it is kind of violating yeah and then they cut back to larsa and larsa just waiting and larsa is fine she's like i don't care how long it takes she is on her social media she's like watching a trump speech that was amazing that what we need more of that i want to see what these housewives are looking at she's like oh wow but then she goes from like the trump speech to like uh like a makeup tutorial yeah yeah it's some sort of influencer yeah just passed at the time just a day in the life of larsa pippen going from trump to uh makeup tutorial fashion whatever so then lisa is like lisa is like really she's now she's moved from the bathroom and now she's just gone into the restaurant and she is top she's like and another thing i mean you know it appears everyone's piling up on me i just lost my dad i mean it's so horrible can you understand and the host comes up to her and goes um miss excuse me hi you're being a little loud can you go outside please oh yeah oh you outside okay okay uh-huh it happens to her all the time she's used to it oh my god it was so amazing yeah she didn't even she didn't even get mad at the host she was like uh-huh uh-huh yeah i'm just heard it before right it just rolls right over yeah i know the drill i know the drill it's it's amazing to me because they go into these restaurants and when they have cameras they feel like they're infallible they can just do and say whatever they want in a public place and and they never think that they're going to be approached about saying about shutting up or quieting down ever yeah and it was like i think this is the first time we ever saw someone on the history of the real house we ever saw an employee say you're being a little too loud we're going to need you to step outside okay that's what i thought that's what i thought there's a very strange lady out there watching a makeup tutorial maybe you want to sit with her i don't know oh that's your friend great even better yes see how quiet she's being that's your example they're gonna give her and give lisa one of those like ipads that's like for kids it's like in the shape of like a frog like here would you like this right and some crayons and the menu like a kid's menu a maze oh god lisa'll be stuck on that maze for a few hours yeah lenny used to do all the mazes what's even the point why are you in the maze in the first place so she comes back and and she's like you know i don't even know what to say like i'm really hurt like and i think that like maybe you wanted that maybe you wanted to hurt me and lars is like how am i trying to hurt you like by trying to by telling you to be a better friend like like what have i done to you besides be there for you and xyz and this and that yeah so like you always say that you always say that you're always saying stuff like that you can call me anytime i always answer okay the moral of the story is that like i was like looking for you like to be like a better friend to me and this and that and xyz and like that's where it all stemmed from because like i love you and i'm sorry i came to jody's party and called you a bitch even though you were totally being a bitch i'm sorry you lost your dad and it felt like I wasn't there for you, even though it was totally there for you.

37:30Ben Mandelker: You're being such a bitch about it. Maybe I should have been like, I don't know, more there for you because you're such a bitch. You don't even realize it like that. But can you accept some responsibility in being a bitch?

37:42Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I don't know. I mean, if I would have known all that stuff was happening and I would have known about your emotions, I didn't know you had feelings and emotions because you've never called me to tell me that. And you've never told me about that. You even had them or were given them by anyone. So I'm sorry for that, that he didn't know you had emotions. And I, I, you know, I'm just like, when you have your feelings and you felt them, like, I just didn't think they were real. So it was like hard to understand you.

38:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, no, I get it. So, um, I think we both just have to do a better job of communicating and like picking up the phone and then like putting the phone down again and then picking it up and then maybe put it down again. It's called a workout. Not everything.

38:31Ben Mandelker: Our situation went too long. It's gone on forever. Like, I hate it. I hate it. I hate, I hate you. I mean, I don't like having conflicts. So, I mean, I'm okay with this. And I got a really good storyline right now. So, I mean, it's probably about time we make up. yeah and so they you know they basically like we don't like conflict we don't need to do this anymore and like i miss you and i love you and so they hug and the customary larsa versus lisa early season fight finds resolution at long last and we'll see how long it lasts but for right now they are smiling and happy and in a good place again so

39:15Ben Mandelker: it's beautiful that that julia came to celebrate that moment for them truly so that was it that was the end of the episode amy a joy as always i just have so much fun so much fun talking to you okay oh my god i'm sorry you're just a serious person i'm sorry too i'm sorry i'm sorry too okay thank you you do it i was talking to my my best friends slash daughter avery and you said doesn't matter what she said because she looks older than i do okay avie looks old i look young okay sorry oh my god she does probably say that verbatim well for a while she said like we look like we're sisters but now she probably says like well my daughter looks older than me that's how good my skin routine is okay somebody said to me the other day i was shopping okay i was getting i was getting ingredients for chicken a la Florence.

40:09I can't remember the chicken she was making during COVID. It was like, oh damn,

40:13Ben Mandelker: it was like this. Chicken a la, chicken Mar-a-Lago. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. And someone said, you know what? You look younger than your daughter. And I was like, what? Okay. All right. I'm going to say it. I'm going to repeat it. That's what it is. And I do. And you know what? It's all thanks to this painter's tape. It's called Stick Blue Painter's Tape. And it's really good. And I love it. And I use it a lot. And it makes me feel young. So everyone go get some painter's tape, okay? This is a sponsored post. Stick Blue Painter's Tape. Because her sponsored content is her SpawnCon is hilarious whenever she's like promoting something.

40:55Ben Mandelker: Ugh. Yeah. I'm just a terrible person. Terrible person. But hilarious content. Oh, you got that right. Mm-hmm. Well, you also provide hilarious content. could you remind everyone where they can find you so that way they go like subscribe to your podcast and all those good things well thanks guys just um subscribe to drama darling anywhere you listen to podcasts give it a follow give it a like give it a nice review if you if you'd like and then also over on patreon you can find me and all of my other darling co-hosts uh there i'm at meet amy phillips we got at dna m chang we got m derizis jam moyer i mean all the stuff thanks for listening and thanks for having me again of course you are a darling and uh thanks so much for filling in for ronnie twice really appreciate it and we will catch everyone on our next episode bye everyone watch what crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors ain't no thing like alison king it's always a party on alison block our way is the amber way it's the foster and the furious it's amanda foster she can run my country it's angie mcgovern it's always automatic with ashley auto put your hands together for carly clap get on the right foot with chrissy offutt she's not just a sheila she's a daniela itchels we never miss her call it's diane call aaron mcnicholas she don't miss no trickless hava nagila weber you'll never hide from heidi eleanor jones I go, you go, we all go for Hugo.

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