#2934 RHOC S19E02 Part 2: Hot Pot, Meet Kettle

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1:59Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

2:17Ben Mandelker: So then, speak of the devil, however, however however here comes gretchen scrolling up to jen's house i bet you never thought you'd

2:28Gretchen Rossi: see me again but here i am in all my glory it's been 11 years since i've been sitting on this chair and i would say i look like i've been frozen in time right no plastic surgery not even these

2:44Tamra Judge: suckers.

2:47Ronnie Karam: Gretchen, nobody believes that. Do you? Do you believe it?

2:51Ben Mandelker: Well, my first thought was she's definitely had plastic surgery, but now I'm thinking that maybe she's not had plastic surgery. She's just had injections and things like that.

2:59Ronnie Karam: Oh, maybe. She looks great, whatever you're doing, but I don't know, because they show a montage of her face. You know, it's like, new face. And she does have the same exact face. So, I mean. She really does. You have to have plastic surgery, right? God doesn't love anybody that. I mean, don't tell me the prayer works that well, because I'll have to start going to church and it's still Revelations Month.

3:20Ben Mandelker: I think that she probably has had injections. She probably got her teeth fixed a little bit or whatever. You know, when you change your teeth, it does actually change your face a bit. So I know I watch the McBee dynasty. I'm so sorry.

3:34Tamra Judge: So Jen is like, she's like, yeah, I met I met Gretchen when I'm still going through so much with Tamara. So I slid into Gretchen's DMs and all I had to say was Tamara SOS and I got a call right away.

3:46Ben Mandelker: So, I mean, obviously, by the way, everyone slides into everyone's DMs. That's the lesson here. And as I pointed out last week on the episode, for all this talk about like, I can't believe you're talking to the bloggers and the podcasters. Tamara is part of that ecosystem. She is part of it and she's contributing to it. Let's not forget that.

4:02Ronnie Karam: Yes. And yeah, didn't she just have like a thing where she was accused of running a reality blurb or something like that? and then she had a big fit on, she had a big fit about it. I mean, she was threatening to sue people and then people were deleting stuff and she was getting in all sorts of blogger wars this past year. So Gretchen tells us, she's like,

4:23Gretchen Rossi: yeah, you know, whenever there's a new housewife on this show, they all call me. Talk about Tamara because Tamara's a monster. She's evil.

4:33Ben Mandelker: She really, I mean, this really is like George R.R. Martin of some, this is some bullshit. I'm just imagining Gretchen as the elder. She lives in a tree, a giant tree. And they have to come up to her to bow down and make an offering. And they're like, please, please, wise Gretchen goddess, please tell us. How do we go up against Tama?

4:58Tamra Judge: It takes a special hero, a generational hero that can do it. May the blessings of Newport Beach be with you.

5:06Ronnie Karam: they're escorted out of the tree oh so um they catch up on kids and gretchen is like oh yeah

5:14Gretchen Rossi: skyline has chickens at school she like loves chickens you guys they call her the chicken

5:19Ben Mandelker: whisperer and uh her daughter is five and a half and rides dirt bikes and they're gonna build a coop um so yeah don't like lean onto the show because that could be bad news so gretchen is

5:33Tamra Judge: like, Slade and I never got married, but we're more in love than we were 18 years ago. What was it? We're like Kurt and Goldie Hawn, right? The irony of these women saying, claiming that they have a fake, we have a fake relationship when all those women have gotten divorced since then.

5:50Ben Mandelker: So then we see flashbacks of Gretchen and Slade skeptics like Vicky, and then we see that Vicky and Don lasted from 94 to 2014. Tamara, she and Simon lasted from 98 to 2011 and Alexis 2003 to 2018 with Jim. It's a fair point. It's a funny point, but I also want to point out Vicky and Brooke, Vicky and Don lasted 20 years. Tamara and Simon lasted 13 years. Alexis lasted 15 years. I hate to break it to you, babe. You're at the 12 year mark. You're right in the danger zone. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Like, yes, you have lasted. And I have to say that does take away some skepticism. But also, like, I don't know, you are you have you're not out of the clear just yet.

6:37Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I agree with you. And also, this didn't really exonerate Gretchen because she's like, yeah, you know, like Vicky even said stuff. And then they show Vicky and Vicky's like, well, you know, I'm just saying that, you know, your whole engagement, having a helicopter and a song. I mean, you just obviously did that for TV. And it's like Vicky divorced from Tom. Yeah, but Vicky was correct. They never got married. that was a fake engagement for tv so i don't know what you think you're proving with this but

7:01Ben Mandelker: not much still fun to have you back yeah so jen um jen saying yeah well i mean the other day they

7:08Tamra Judge: were just like coming for katie they're saying like you're unsafe you're coming for our families you're dangerous which makes zero sense and jen's saying that's just so frustrating that

7:18Gretchen Rossi: coming for your family what are they shots what are they vaccines

7:28Tamra Judge: what what are they masks

7:34Ronnie Karam: so you know it's just like it's just so frustrating it's just so frustrating that katie is held to this different standard than all the other girls you know i mean it comes back to the fact that these girls are afraid of Katie. They're afraid of her. They are so scared of her. And I just want to tell those girls, thank you for having me to lunch. Thank you so much. It's just so nice to be here. This was wonderful.

7:56Ben Mandelker: Delicious food. Slade's like, Christian's like, I don't really want to have a relationship with this woman. And Thay goes, I mean, you're talking about Captain Evil. Okay.

8:04Ronnie Karam: All Slade. Still in comedy, I see.

8:07Ben Mandelker: All right. Let's just have another coup d 'etat and just keep mind your own business. So we go back to Heather

8:13Ronnie Karam: and Tamara's like, well, you know, the real problem

8:15Gretchen Rossi: here is Jen, because Jen's reaching out to people that don't like me because she's insecure. You know, when I met Jen, she wanted my boobs. Now she's got my boobs. And then she got a house two doors down for me. Then she wanted my nostrils. And boom, she's got two nostrils on her. And then she lived by Simon. And then she started going to Dr. Ambe. And then we went to the same hair salon, and she said, I want to look like a crazy lady with bleached, burnt hair. And now she looks like a crazy blonde lady who's bleached white hair. Stalker? She's stalking me. Everybody wants to be me.

8:48Tamra Judge: I went to Vons the other day, and I was like, hey, where'd the lean cuisine go? They said Jen just bought the last one. She's stealing my lean cuisines.

8:58Ronnie Karam: She said that she literally went to the hair salon and had her old hair extensions put in her head. Tamara, no one is going to ask to get you sandpaper put back on their head. I saw those. Don't pretend that those didn't just expire the second they were taken off. Those were things were taken off your head and they turned to dust and fell to the ground.

9:17Ben Mandelker: Tamara thinks she's making a case for single white female when all she's doing is making a case for how generic her life is that someone could copy it so easily.

9:25Ronnie Karam: Well, especially in Orange County. I mean, we both spent quite a bit of time in Orange County over our lives. You all look like that. You literally all look like that. You can't say that someone comes and gets boobs and, you know, Botox and bleaches their hair more and they're trying to be you. They're trying to fit in in Orange County, for Christ's sake.

9:45Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Tamara thinking that she somehow is like a beacon of individuality down there. Like, look at me. She wanted, I have blonde hair. Now someone else has blonde hair in Orange County. It's like, wow, congratulations. You all go to the same region.

10:01Gretchen Rossi: She's even doing workout videos with her husband.

10:05Ronnie Karam: like literally every thin person does that every every blonde thin married person does that but

10:10Ben Mandelker: okay yeah we've been watching these rituals since 2005 when luguna beach first arrived okay there isn't you got none of you are doing anything original down there okay they literally went back the same bmw dealership that kristen cavallari got her car from in high school

10:24Ronnie Karam: just last week i mean if anything i would argue that jen was the first one to work out in a parking lot and then you lost your gym and now you're left working out in a parking lot it seems like you might be stalking her yeah yeah yeah so then uh tammy's like what's next let me guess

10:40Tamra Judge: you and ryan are gonna start doing fitness videos together she's saying this as if it's like no one

10:46Ben Mandelker: has ever done that ever before on social media especially not two fitness minded people yeah

10:51Ronnie Karam: she's literally a fitness place owner so yeah she's gonna do fitness you can't like i can't

10:56Ben Mandelker: believe that two people you met at a gym are now going off and doing gym content

11:03Ronnie Karam: so then she pulls out her phone she's like oh yeah well look at her because this is her when i met her and i was expecting it to look like i don't know heather no no i was expecting it to look like um like agatha from agatha all along you know what i mean like someone totally different or like roseanne in that movie where she was meryl streep stole her husband she devil yeah I was expecting it to be that, but it just looks like her. And Heather's like, she doesn't look that different.

11:31Gretchen Rossi: She's like, oh, come on. Her lips look like hot dogs now.

11:34Ronnie Karam: And Heather's like, oh, well, okay. Well, good point, but that's okay. Everyone has hot dog lips. We live in Orange County.

11:42Tamra Judge: Chairman's like, okay, well, guess, look at this.

11:44Ben Mandelker: Here's a full body one. When she was a few pounds heavier. And Heather's like, oh my God, don't show that to me. Do not show a single soul. That person, ever again, that photo was cursed. She had a few extra pounds on her and no one should see that ever again. Burn it. Burn it in the fireplace. I'm going to pour champagne on it. Iconically. Don't tell Eddie. I'm going to spill. I'm going to destroy it.

12:05Ronnie Karam: It is such a Heather response. She's like, oh my God. Well, I mean, what I meant was that's okay. She looks different. Good for her. Good for her. God, she's come a long way. Shouldn't we be celebrating this? What do I do in this situation? I'm disgusted. Should I bring onion rings over here? Please don't tell Jen there are onion rings here. Burst down the door.

12:27Ben Mandelker: I can't believe Jen was heavy at one point. And it's like, by the way, also like them being like, she's heavy. And she's just she had like 10 extra pounds on her. It's like, wow. Wow. Look at her back then. Godzilla. Am I right?

12:39Ronnie Karam: And also Tamara sitting here trying to diss this woman. And then she's like, now look at that. And then she's Jen with a fucking Barbie body looking amazing in a bikini, like leaning up against the thing. I'm like, are you supposed to be dissing her right now? because I kind of want to vote for her for mayor right now.

12:57Ben Mandelker: Well, she's implying that Jen wanted to get in shape because I was in shape. She saw me and she realized she could be in shape someday. Yeah. As if everyone in Orange County didn't also look like that too or try to look like that.

13:10Ronnie Karam: You're like the reading rainbow of implants and diets. Okay, Tamara, you did it. You changed the future for many children.

13:18Ben Mandelker: Heather's like, I don't know if Jen is trying to become Tamara. I mean, I would think there's far more interesting people to emulate. And I thought she's like, oh, probably like I was in my mind. I was thinking like we're going to do a bit now about Heather would think that she'd be a good one to emulate. But then Heather literally goes, um, hello. I'm sorry.

13:39Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry, Tamara. But last time I checked, Jane leaves was copying my hairstyle. I guess we're not going to talk about that. so then we go back to Jen's and um Gretchen's like well is there a way forward with Tamara

13:54Ronnie Karam: and Jen's like well you know I've just I've just seen too much I don't know but you know what can I support a healthy relationship sure I can support that and Gretchen's like well I still

14:04Gretchen Rossi: get messages about what she's saying about me on a podcast it's not very nice and so she tells us

14:10Ronnie Karam: that two years ago, Slade's son passed away from brain cancer. And there are all these articles calling Slade a deadbeat dad because of Tamara. And now she's on her podcast calling him a deadbeat dad the second he died. Tamara's, and we hear a clip from the podcast of Tamara being like,

14:26Gretchen Rossi: oh yeah, but I heard that the wife still had to start a GoFundMe because Slade wouldn't even pay for the funeral.

14:33Tamra Judge: Slade has never been a deadbeat dad and he just lost his son. And if you can't have a soul in that moment, then you don't have a soul. sorry i'm like did you just meet tamra that soul that soul is gone that soul is long gone

14:46Ben Mandelker: that soul that is that is someone walking barefoot because there are no souls happening there so gretchen she's like hence gretchen's saying um that heather said that you have that you have

14:58Tamra Judge: to have grace on tamra because she's going through a lot because of what yet he's going through and i said both people in our lives are passed from cancer so my late fiance and her son so she

15:06Ben Mandelker: brings up Jeff from her season one, which by the way, Tamara definitely did not have grace on Gretchen season one of the show because that's where that famous reunion happened where it was like the where Tamara came in gangbusters on Gretchen. We'd never seen anything like that on a reunion yet. I've never been to that sick, bitch. Yeah, why didn't they ever bring on the person who called Tamara late at night to tell her about Gretchen? I would like to know why. They really dropped the ball on that, those producers.

15:31Ronnie Karam: Yeah, really.

15:32Ben Mandelker: It just happened in the first place. I don't know.

15:34Ronnie Karam: I don't know. So, one one way to find out we're dredging up old stuff. So you never know what we're going to find out this season.

15:41Ben Mandelker: So Tamara's telling Heather,

15:43Tamra Judge: so by the way, does Gretchen remember contacting my daughter?

15:47Ben Mandelker: And so then we see that like, uh, Sydney had posted something that said like, the reason I don't live with my mother is because it's not because of my dad. It's because she is mentally and verbally abusive and not a mother to me. And, uh,

16:00Tamra Judge: Tamara is saying that like Gretchen started communicating with her that that is one of the lowest, most disgusting things you can do is involve somebody else's child.

16:10Ronnie Karam: Oh, really?

16:12Tamra Judge: Meanwhile, isn't it funny? Wait, if I remember correctly, was it last season, Tamara telling Emily, by the way, Katie's daughter, she was saying this about your kids. Bye!

16:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, or going to Brianna to talk shit about Brooks or whatever. I mean, she's done this for years. Give me a fucking break. And also, she's like, so, well, we find out about what really happened later but i remember that post that sydney made that facebook post it was like a page long it was really long and she read tamra for filth on that post i will never forget it like to me that's like my mark twain like i have it i have it on a bookshelf it's like that's why i have the monologues from these shows in books somewhere but that was a classic so um she's trying to make it sound like oh and so gretchen tried to befriend her or whatever so Gretchen did leave a comment

17:02Ben Mandelker: Gretchen commented

17:03Ronnie Karam: you have no idea how your brave words are helping so many who have been wronged by your mother's manipulation and lies as well now I'm going to say this

17:14Ben Mandelker: I don't think Gretchen should have left that comment I think Gretchen should have just like let that be don't get involved with a kid's messy Facebook post just keep on living your life so like for sure Gretchen was being messy in that moment but maybe she thought of that also like well i'm done with the show who cares let me be petty good for gretchen being petty tamra's the

17:33Ronnie Karam: worst tamra is the worst who ever been on any of these shows she is like the blueprint for the

17:39Ben Mandelker: worst so i support it so heather's like well when i joined this group you guys were friends and wendy malik had a career but aside from that what would be cool is if you guys can put some shit

17:51Tamra Judge: aside and just have some fun and tamra's like well you'll see but if you want if you want to dwell on something for 12 years. Yeah.

17:58Ben Mandelker: I ain't doing it, bitch. I'm like, you literally just did it. And you, I mean, you were just harping on Jen, copying your bangs for crying out loud. You're a dweller. Okay. You're a dweller.

18:08Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Heather's like, yeah, we shouldn't dwell on things from the past. You know, I certainly don't want to remember the time when people were calling Wendy Malick, Wendy Bolick.

18:20Ben Mandelker: I hope she and Nancy Travis are having fun somewhere doing the things that out of work actresses do.

18:27Ronnie Karam: Uno anyone?

18:30Ben Mandelker: That's the number of roles Wendy Malick is up for these days.

18:36Gretchen Rossi: So Gretchen's like, oh yeah, I hear rumblings that she's trying to be a new person and she's going to therapy. Well, I hope she changes. I knew. But she's a known liar and manipulator.

18:48Ronnie Karam: Brian's like, facts.

18:50Tamra Judge: When's it going to stop?

18:53Ronnie Karam: Gretchen's here to get retribution.

18:56Gretchen Rossi: him and i love it she's like ready now we gather gather my people we shall make our signs we shall

19:03Ben Mandelker: stop traffic she has been she has been awoken like link in zelda and she is ready to take on ganon

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20:38Ronnie Karam: This episode is sponsored by Butterball Turkey. Butterball. Care hard. Cook easy.

20:44Ben Mandelker: I was watching The Real Housewives of Orange County the other night, and I was thinking so much of this drama could have been solved with turkey. I think that about so many things. Exactly. Just get everyone around the table with a delicious meal. A turkey meal. That's how you bring people back together. What if it wasn't Thanksgiving? Being the Grand Dame isn't a one-day-a-year affair. Every day is a chance to get down with turkey burgers, ground turkey, and more. Eating turkey is like watching Bravo. You can do it anytime, and the more you do it, the happier you are.

21:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Butterball turkey is made for everyday moments that bring people together with ease, and it tastes great while doing it.

21:20Ben Mandelker: Do you think if a Butterball turkey showed up at the Real Housewives of Rhode Island reunion, it could bring everyone back together?

21:26Gretchen Rossi: Maybe it would, girly. Maybe it would.

21:29Tamra Judge: I love a turkey.

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21:49Ben Mandelker: Now it's time for the hot pot. So Emily's in glam and she goes like, Hey, glam person, you want to come to the hot pocket?

21:57Ronnie Karam: It's hot. Fucking moron. God. I would prefer a hot pocket. Oh, wait, I've got one in my purse.

22:07Ben Mandelker: So then let me see Gina talking to Travis.

22:09Tamra Judge: So I'm going to a hot pot and I feel mad. I think the reason why I've got problems is because she really hurt my best friend and I can't keep my mouth shut.

22:21Ronnie Karam: Travis is like, oh, did you just learn this about yourself? So then Tamara's getting glam. They're basically like stuccoing her face, giving her a paint job. They're cocking her. They're cocking her. and Tamara's like well Gretchen's coming everybody

22:38Gretchen Rossi: but I'm at your energy if she wants to be nice I'll be nice she wants to apologize I apologize she wants to mess with some of the children I'll tell her child Lynn from fucking Lynn

22:50Ben Mandelker: so then we see Jen and Gretchen in their SUV heading to lunch and Jen's like well

22:56Tamra Judge: there's always this like looming feeling of Tamara like do you think she'll do you think you want to talk today and Gretchen's like well there's actually Bible verse about this is my favorite Bible verse. It goes like this. The Lord will fight for you. You need only to be still.

23:13Ronnie Karam: Girl, that's how people get run over. Shut up with that. Favorite Bible verse.

23:18Ben Mandelker: No one's being still on this show either, by the way. Let's be honest.

23:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah.

23:22Ben Mandelker: No one's being still except for their faces.

23:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then we go to a restaurant called Nice to Meet You for Hot Pot. And Emily is the first.

23:32Ben Mandelker: This is the last day that restaurant was called that. It changed its name promptly after a call to please stay away. Yeah. Please don't come back to space.

23:43Ronnie Karam: Please don't return. So Emily gets there first. So she's stuck with Katie. She's like, oh, well, this is awkward. Oh, I want to sit at the end. So I'm not going to be by you. I am at the end, though. So you can sit opposite me and you'd still be at the end. No, the other. I just want to be at the other end. I don't want to be by you.

24:01Ben Mandelker: Gina walks in and she's excited because this is a hot pot place. So they have like hot pots embedded into the tables. It's like, like, you know, you can have like hot bubbling water in the table. And she's like, oh, my God, I actually love this.

24:17Tamra Judge: You have a swimming pool in the table. Like, that's awesome. Like a little private jacuzzi we can cook our food in.

24:24Gretchen Rossi: You know what? But this really, really improved the purchase price of this table.

24:33Tamra Judge: Well, everyone, I'd like to announce that Sophie is home. She's lost five pounds. And she is going to a bachelorette party because her generation still believes in love. But they did break up. Her and her boyfriend did break up. So that's too bad. And if you want to laugh, I'm not going to tell her.

24:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then they do some cheers with Saki. And Jen and Gretchen arrive hand in hand, arm in arm.

24:54Gretchen Rossi: They're like, we're a team now. We're a team now, me and you against the world.

24:59Ronnie Karam: So Gretchen comes in and she's like, hi Tamra.

25:01Gretchen Rossi: I'm like, oh my God. Hi, how are you? Maybe I should reintroduce myself. Hi Gretchen, I'm your worst fucking nightmare, bitch.

25:11Tamra Judge: This definitely feels like a Tamra tactic. Pretend everything is great and then like make everyone laugh. And then right before she strikes.

25:18Ben Mandelker: Which is true. so um emily is saying how she met gretchen at her 40th birthday back in 2016 and my friendship with tamara did suffer when i was friendly with gretchen because i didn't know that there was a beef between the two of them well we worked through it though and i'm not gonna make that mistake again

25:35Ronnie Karam: you're such an ass kisser emily everybody knew there was a beef between them and you're such an ass kisser that you're still going to kiss tamara's ass all these years later instead of thinking for yourself you were such a follower how are these people still on the show at least gina's being entertaining. Yeah.

25:50Ben Mandelker: So Emily basically ditched her friendship with Gretchen so that way she could get in with Tamara instead and is not going to go back, which is real kind. So then Tamara is like, oh my god, you want to hear a funny story? Heather did something totally relatable. Oh, yes! Everyone gather around. Picture it. Television's Heather Dubrow walks into the servant's quarters somewhere in Orange County. Is it Tustin? Is it San Clemente? Who knows? It's not the rich part. She walks in with an expensive bottle of champagne. And to show that she's relatable, she opens it up too fast, which is understandable because normally there are people that she employs to do this for her.

26:26Ben Mandelker: And it gets all over an Ikea tabletop. It is hilarious. End of scene.

26:32Ronnie Karam: We all remember what happened with the espresso martinis. Am I right?

26:42Ben Mandelker: Drake, did you see that scene? No.

26:44Ronnie Karam: So they have to get sauces and stuff. So some people start getting up from the table. It's like Jen and Katie, that group. And so Heather's like, do we all have to get up? Can I just stay with the people with money still? Okay, I'm going to stay here. Excuse me.

26:57Ben Mandelker: Where is the bell? So that way a poor person can bring me items from that bookcase over there.

27:02Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry. Is there an Alfredo who works here? Could you just send him over to my table? That would be great.

27:08Ben Mandelker: Did they receive the flatware that I sent over to the restaurant ahead of time?

27:13Ronnie Karam: So Shannon is with Shannon's, you know, looking at the food and she goes, oh, Gina, there's a ball combination. Oh, oh, did I make a ball joke?

27:23Gretchen Rossi: I just did. Everybody.

27:27Tamra Judge: It's funny. It's funny. You know, being on being on Love Hotel. I, you know, I just I'm a funny, funny person now. People sometimes call me Shania Papaya.

27:38Ben Mandelker: You can use that if you want. So Katie's like, she's like, well, everyone, I appreciate you all coming. And I want to start fresh. I think a lot of things happened last year that I'm regretful for. I just want to be better.

27:49Tamra Judge: You know what? I do appreciate the fact that you say you have a regret because now everything you do, I'm just questioning it. Like this thing between you and Tamara and this blogger, I mean, it's not.

28:01Gretchen Rossi: Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm a good person again, everybody. I got a therapy now. So Katie came to my house and she explained everything and she owned up to it

28:11Ronnie Karam: And Katie's like, okay, everybody, I did call her Instagram So I was kind of lying, but technically I wasn't because I didn't call her through a phone number I called her through her Instagram, so it's very different

28:25Ben Mandelker: Yeah, yeah, and you know what? I said to this person, I said, Tamara's, you know, shoot, this person was saying, Tamara's trying to sue me And I said, this is not good because Tamara is emotional. She's a monster. She'll take you down if she wants to. My words, not hers. And, you know, you've got to take down that post. You have to do this. I was trying to save her, you know.

28:44Tamra Judge: Thank you for being honest with me. Thank you, bitch.

28:48Gretchen Rossi: Yeah, but it's still upsetting to me because you don't even remember an entire conversation with this person that created a huge problem here. Like, how does that even happen? And she goes And also for you Shannon Honestly Shannon sorry I'm really upset with you two Because like at the golden door You were totally making it Like we're ganging up on Kitty And you know I was just trying to get to the bottom Of all of these So

29:19Tamra Judge: It's not about the subject matter It's about every single person at the table Going after one person Okay one person You can't do that

29:28Gretchen Rossi: Yeah, but you're making it like we're bullying her And we're not bullying her She's done things to all of us, including you Including me, like she ruined my life Does anybody remember? She like ruined it, it was hard It was really bad, I felt really bad

29:43Tamra Judge: You know what, Tamara Just told me last year that she recorded You at a gallery shoot and then sent the video To Alexis, yeah So, here goes Gina

29:52Ben Mandelker: First of all, Gina distorted the story Tamara said that she recorded it And then she showed Alexis. I'm assuming it meant like right there. I don't know. I don't know what it was, but she says she showed Alexis. But now she's saying that she sent it to Alexis. And also, you don't know the details. And you're spreading gossip that wasn't yours to spread in the first place. And you're being messy and you don't have all your facts right. And Chad's like, wait, what? Wait, what? What?

30:16Ronnie Karam: And Katie's like, there is no video that I recorded of Shannon outside of Instagram. So, Tamara's like, but you actually told me. And Gina's like, yeah, this is coming from Tamron. We all trust Tamara. I mean, Tamara's always honest.

30:31Tamra Judge: You know, me and Alexis and Katie were coming back from a Mother's Day lunch, and we happened to talk about Shannon being nasty to people. And Katie brought it up, and she told me the whole story. Alexis had already heard it, and it was left there. Never thought about it again until recently. And then she smirks.

30:48Ben Mandelker: You're so crafty.

30:53Ronnie Karam: It's so funny, and it works so well. I mean, why isn't Shannon like, OK, well, that was an embarrassing moment for me when I lost my shit. Instead, it's just Shannon falls right for it. You know, she's like, OK, I hate Katie now.

31:06Gretchen Rossi: So Tamara's like, well, evidently you were on the phone with somebody, Katie.

31:10Ronnie Karam: And she goes, yeah, I was on the phone with my business partners. And Shannon, you came in and you were screaming. And I recorded on a voice note and I sent it to Matt, my husband.

31:18Gretchen Rossi: And she goes, oh, Katie, why would you speak to Alexis when I'm in active litigation with her fiance? Are you kidding? Why am I drowning breathing into this paper bag? That's a hot pot.

31:34Tamra Judge: It's very hot. It's very, very hot. Are you fucking kidding me? Katie was sitting right next to me in Sonoma. She's seeing how distraught I was. Now she's recording me.

31:44Ben Mandelker: And then we see footage of her in that bathrobe at that spa place being like,

31:48Tamra Judge: I, I, I, John Jansen. I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

31:50Ben Mandelker: So Katie's like, she's like, no one has listened to that except my husband. And Emily's like, but why would Alexis know about it? And Katie's like, well, we discussed it with Alexis. I mean, Emily, were you not listening to the story that Tamara just said that three of them were talking about it together after coming back from some dinner or whatever? Like, that's, I don't know. Honestly, I don't even think it's a big deal that Alexis already knew about it. Like, I mean, it's shitty if Katie sent her the video, but also don't act crazy. Don't act crazy in a group setting and then be surprised when someone has taken a video of you.

32:23Ronnie Karam: Well, but it's also another thing they're all mad at that never came to fruition. You know, it's like last year. Oh, well, Shannon dug up all this dirt about Gina throwing her husband down the stairs or whatever that was a big thing last year. Yeah, but Shannon never used that information. So why are you guys using it against her? Like if she had gotten that information and used it against you, that would be one thing. So like if Katie took this information, she gave it to Alexis. Alexis showed up to court with these videos of you acting erratic. Okay, you can be mad. But this wasn't even you.

32:52Ronnie Karam: So if she did videotape it and she had bad intent, she decided not to go through with her bad intent. So doesn't that make her a good person?

33:00Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I don't know. I think it's just, I think it's ridiculous. I think Tamara has played everyone like a fiddle here and they don't realize it. Yeah. So Tamara's like. But now Katie's dragging.

33:11Ronnie Karam: Now Katie's dragging Jen into it. So Katie goes, well, we discussed it with Alexis and points at Jen. And Jen goes, wait, we? She goes, yeah, you know, remember when we sat at that drink things? And Jen's like, um, no, I mean, I've never, I don't know. I've never heard any of this. And Gina's like, yes, you did. You did know about it. She goes, no, I didn't. And Heather's like, she just said you were there, Jen. She just said you were there. Are you this stupid? Thank you so much.

33:35Tamra Judge: Thank you so much for highlighting that for me. I just don't know why Katie's doing this. It's just not fair. And I really wish my friend would start answering for herself.

33:42Ben Mandelker: So I'll answer for her. So Katie's like, look, we were talking to an investor and I was upset that I had to jump off the call and I was telling Matt, this is what's going on right now.

33:51Tamra Judge: No, you weren't calling Matt to say what's going on. You were saying you could listen verbatim. It's like, yep.

33:58Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you were also acting like an asshole when she's on a business call at work. Yeah.

34:04Ben Mandelker: And that's being late. Yeah. And you know what? So Katie tells us, at the time I was pissed, it was supposed to be a fun day for all of us. And instead we had to hear Shannon yelling. I'm like, I kind of wish Katie just actually said that. Me too. It was supposed to be a fun day, and you ruined it. And I recorded it to show Matt, to show you melting down. And we were laughing at you.

34:20Ronnie Karam: She needs to stop being so weak in these situations and kowtowing to everybody and saying, yeah, I recorded it because you were acting so fucking ridiculous. I had to show my husband how ridiculous you get because he never believed me. And you were acting like a psycho. And I showed it to him. I'm sorry, but I'm acting like a psycho. I never gave this to Alexis. This was never used against you in court. What are you being so dramatic about? If anything, you should apologize to all of us for ruining our day again.

34:45Ben Mandelker: I actually feel like this is a moment where she could have learned something from someone who's similarly new, like Bronwyn. Because I think Bronwyn would have actually said all those things. She would have been like, actually, I was listening. And I was making fun of you. Because you were acting like an idiot. And my husband and I have a relationship where we make fun of people who act like idiots. Anything else?

35:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah. so um katie but instead to shanna she just apologizes right and then um gretchen's like wait a minute how did you know emily and emily's like tamra told me so gretchen's just like oh my god of course tamra's always the one holding the information like of course it's tamra again so she goes okay so tamra you talked with alexis then why did that even get brought up and she

35:30Gretchen Rossi: because obviously alexis and shanna don't get along and she said i heard she was freaking out at the green screen. And Shannon's like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I need to step away. I need to step away. There are sauces over there. There are sauces.

35:44Tamra Judge: I need to process. I just learned that some of these celery pieces

35:51Ben Mandelker: are not organic. So I'm going to go now. So then, well, she steps away and Shannon's talking to Heather and she's like, I am floored. I am, we have to cook for ourselves. Did you know this?

36:00Tamra Judge: I am also upset. This is what servants are for. do you understand what it feels like to video you when you when i don't remember what i said

36:08Ben Mandelker: do you know what it's like well it's here's what i'll say what it is unconscionable that someone would video me and it wouldn't go into my imdb i mean what's even the point oh my god shannon you

36:20Gretchen Rossi: were unconscionable no it's not what you think it means just be quiet gina so gina's like katie we're not trying to hurt you so there's no need to try and hurt us in that wing

36:32Ben Mandelker: you know what i did some fucked up shit and i regret doing that you know what i miss the most

36:36Tamra Judge: talking and laughing and hanging with gina gina's like oh my god thank you for saying that you know because like you know what katie that's what i hold on to because i genuinely liked you which

36:47Gretchen Rossi: is why i threw you under the bus last year and began to tea so she's like yeah okay thank you for the apology. I like you again. We're friends. And Shannon's like, I have reached my limit, and I think the best thing for me to do is to remove myself and scream at some producers in the parking lot. Excuse me. I will be processing. Do not videotape this.

37:10Tamra Judge: And furthermore, restaurant, it was not nice to meet you. Oh, I gave Katie a gift. Giving her advice to get to a different place with the women in this group, and this is what she does to me? It is

37:22Ben Mandelker: pure evil betrayal. I'm like, And literally the amount of times that Tamara has been so evil to you, Shannon, and like over 10 years and you just took her back over and over and over again. And now here's something that you're finding out through your nemesis, Tamara, who you know is actively trying to hurt you. And you take it on face value and then you're going to be like, oh, Katie's the evil one here. I'm not following.

37:44Ronnie Karam: You can't use this like, oh, you just helped Katie this episode and stood up for her. But this happened a long time ago. So you can't use the thing you did recently to negate the thing that happened a long time ago. You know what I mean? She didn't take what you just did for her and betray you. That happened a long time. There are two different timelines, Shannon. So Jen's like, oh, I thought we were moving forward. But you guys have her ass over the fire. And Emily's like, Jen! She's done things to us that nobody at this table has done to each other. Like gave my information about my kids to a blogger.

38:14Ronnie Karam: unlike me who just went and dug up court documents and anything else i could use to publicly humiliate a woman in an abusive relationship for how she lost her children i can't believe you gave

38:28Ben Mandelker: information to a podcaster who has a platform that's nicely sized versus me who dug up stuff on a national level where everyone was watching with millions of viewers yes so then heather Katie's like I did not give them information Heather starts doing this thing with her finger She starts like circling her finger like she's gonna conjure up Like a little tornado in front of her Everyone has done Things that other people agree Are not okay for instance Jean Triplehorn don't like her choices

39:01Ronnie Karam: And Tamara's like oh move on Gretchen I don't even talk about you she goes uh huh

39:05Gretchen Rossi: A few years ago you were talking about me

39:07Ronnie Karam: She goes oh god what did I even say

39:08Gretchen Rossi: She goes you said Slade was a piece of shit and he was a deadbeat dad.

39:13Ronnie Karam: And Tamara's like, well, was he? Because, I mean, listen, Gretchen, you can stand up for Slade all you want to and you can get all self-righteous about Slade, but I don't remember any of that news back then about Slade and his kid being good, okay? Now, was it right for Tamara to go get on Slade the second after his son died? No, that was gross. But the stuff leading up to it, I don't know. I mean, I think that was kind of like backed up by the wife, right? I mean, it's not like that was coming out of, But I mean, I'm just saying, get off your soapbox, Gretchen. Slade is kind of a douchebag.

39:46Ben Mandelker: So come on. Slade is a douchebag. He always has been.

39:49Tamra Judge: So Gretchen's like, what's one of the first things that comes up on Google when you search Slade? Smiley. Yeah, it's that.

39:55Ben Mandelker: And I, of course, then went to Google. And that was actually, did not even show up on any of the results. That was not a suggestion at all. I don't remember what did show up. I'm just assuming douchebag. Lame. Why is he back with us?

40:09Tamra Judge: but tamra's like well why is she still concerned with slade's death whether slade's a deadbeat dad or not it's been 15 years you're trying to were you trying to convince crutchin slade smiley net

40:20Ronnie Karam: worth slade smiley kids son and joe net worth 2025 son grayson wikipedia age and slade smiley

40:29Ben Mandelker: bless you ben that's thank you thank you i also like tamra saying like why is she concerned with whether or not slay it's a deadbeat dad after she's just like well is he a deadbeat bad dad and then when gretchen's like wants to defend slay she's like wow why are you so concerned it's because it's because you always bring it up tamra that's why but i like that gretchen hasn't even

40:53Ronnie Karam: been on this show for years and has been rehabbing her image or doing whatever she's doing and the first thing she does is come back on the show and remind us that slay it's a deadbeat dad 20 times in a row. Yeah. Gretchen's like, you're the one who's been proven

41:07Tamra Judge: to be a liar. You were sued for being a liar. And you almost got sued again by Ryan. She's like, okay, well, you know, I misspoke. And I apologize for that, Batch. John's like, well, thank you so much for that. But a lot of this pain that all of us have felt, it was hard. You're going to roll your eyes. You're going to roll your eyes at that, Tamara? Thank you so much for rolling your eyes. It shows that you were listening to me.

41:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because by the way, her apology was, I misspoke. But then she's like,

41:28Gretchen Rossi: okay, everybody, when I said that Ryan had a lawsuit i just meant that ryan maybe's business wasn't it am i doing this right everybody so i

41:37Ronnie Karam: don't get sued yeah we all saw that tamra tamra is so ridiculous so uh tamra's like oh yeah you

41:43Gretchen Rossi: think gretchen's crystal clean she contacted my fucking daughter i was the ring i got it

41:50Ben Mandelker: gretchen's gretchen leans forward with like a half smile on her face and she's so calm and she goes I did not contact your daughter Tamra I commented it's the same thing no it's not it's not the same thing and it was there was something about her like not falling for the bait not getting activated not just being like I know what you're trying to do and you're not going to do it and Tamra starts to lose her mind she's like okay evil you're evil she's like you really want to play this game because it's not the same thing I made a comment on the public Facebook post that your daughter made.

42:23Tamra Judge: My next husband made that post.

42:25Ben Mandelker: No, this is what you always do. You blame it on someone else. Your daughter even came out after you said that and said, my mother's lying. This is my account. I made the post. I mean, Gretchen was like ready. I was just taking her down.

42:38Ronnie Karam: She was so ready. They even put the whole quote up there that the daughter said. And Tamara goes, that's not true. Sorry, but the editors hate you. And yes, it is true. And Gretchen's like, yeah, well, that's what

42:49Gretchen Rossi: she did. And I have all the proof. So you can spend your little lives and do your manipulation things like you always do. Because you're a liar beyond liars.

43:00Ronnie Karam: So I like that Gretchen came back with proof. But Gretchen did not come back with a better command of language. Which also makes it fun.

43:08Ben Mandelker: It was good enough for me. Because I felt like Gretchen just had Tamara just like, she just had her there. She just had the tractor beam on her and was just destroying her in this moment.

43:20Tamra Judge: and Jen's like, yeah, you feel like you want to take accountability for any of this? Do you want to take any of this? Do you want any accountability for this, Tamara? Thank you so much for listening to my request. Tamara's like, yeah, I will. I will take accountability for whatever I've done.

43:32Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so Tamara's like, I thought we were going to move forward and Gretchen's like, why would you think that? And she's like, okay, then we're not moving forward. And she's like, well, I didn't say we couldn't move forward. I just said, why would you think that we couldn't move forward?

43:43Gretchen Rossi: And Tamara's like, okay, then I don't have to be a man too then. Then fine, man, bitch.

43:48Tamra Judge: that spatch has been going after me for years 12 years you've been going after me well who started

43:54Ronnie Karam: it you started coming after her for all these years she hasn't been coming after you she doesn't have a platform to come after you you're the one still on your platform talking shit about her all these years it's just so funny because tamra is really really masterful at twisting and turning and like this whole like you were you were communicating with my daughter the way she made it sound was like oh she called my daughter up became friends with her tried no she commented on a post but that's so tamra and so that she had all of her evidence and she's just shooting tamra down it's very good i mean it's good that we're finally seeing a worthy adversary and i can't

44:29Ben Mandelker: believe it's gretchen of all people yeah because gretchen's been practicing she's been waiting

44:33Tamra Judge: gretchen's like it's the same old tamra same old pony dance what's it called again like dog and pony show yeah same dog and pony show there you go i knew there was a bitch involved so heather's like you need to talk yeah it seems like there's like a lot of her on both sides and like maybe

44:51Gretchen Rossi: there's a way to move forward yeah i'm the great equalizer hey wait everybody not all is lost i've

44:59Ronnie Karam: got a hard-boiled egg in my purse wait it's not hard-boiled it's leaking oh my gosh yeah the

45:10Ben Mandelker: episode ends with uh gretchen and tamra agreeing that they're gonna meet and they're gonna try to both take accountability and move forward and emily has has cracked an egg in her purse because she thought it was a hard-boiled egg that she's gonna take for later which she thought she's being funny plucking the hot pot egg she thought was a hard-boiled egg and putting in her purse like like the animal that she is food in her purse that's what makes her relatable to the people

45:36Ronnie Karam: so she's gonna keep it she hit she hit gold with that burrito and her or that subway sandwich in her purse in the steam room and she's just gonna do it now every five minutes i was so happy for that egg that i guess her heather dubrow onion ring it is so that was that that was uh the big gretchen return and the big ronnie return um and the big end of the week so thanks everyone for being here yeah great being back with you great being back with all of you guys we will talk to you next week. Bye.

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