#2948 Crappy Hour 7/28/25: Jax’d Off with Guest Misha Brown

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2:28Ronnie Karam: Oh, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, Rondola. How are you? Good. How's everything going over there for you, babe?

2:42Ben Mandelker: It's great. It's great. It's another Crappy Hour. I'm excited. How's everything going over for you?

2:48Ronnie Karam: Good. We just did an Amazon Live and I gave myself a nice red light facial. So I'm feeling very relaxed and as you should at peace, at peace with the world. And you know what else really made me feel at peace? Jax is fired from everything. So I'm feeling so good. I feel like the universe is finally starting to pay attention to our audience. Okay. That's such a nice feeling. Yeah. But before we get into everything, we would like to introduce one of our friends, our pod friends, fantastic podcaster. You guys have heard his podcast, I'm sure. And you've at least heard us on it. If you have any kind of goodwill.

3:30Ronnie Karam: His name is Misha Brown. He is from The Big Flop. Hello, Misha. Hi, bestie. How are you? Hi. Oh, my gosh. Rolls of reverse this time. Pressure's on. I like it.

3:45Ben Mandelker: You win the award for literally the best camera we've ever had. Like a guest have on crap ends. I've never had such a crystal clear, beautifully lit guests. So congratulations. Thank you so much. I know.

4:03Ronnie Karam: And you and Ben look like you could be kind of next to each other on the same set. I'm just somewhere random with sunlight.

4:09Ben Mandelker: You look great too, Ron.

4:11Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Stop it. Because you're in your nice, moody little places. I'm like, yeah, skin cancer. Let's do this. Misha, it's good to talk to you, babe. What would you say are your flops? You celebrate flops, the big flops. So what would you say are your big flops for the summer so far? Ooh, big flops for the summer. So listen, I caught a little bit of heat today, not going to lie. Really? Because today's episode of the big flop is on Katy Perry. and so some of her fandom came for me a little bit being like she just got a she just got broken up with and i was like well we did we recorded it before that got announced to be fair that's very floppy but like with making people who just got dumped she earned that she earned it perry she earned it yeah she did but honestly like i think the the biggest flop though is is like she cannot sell that tour um yeah live nation reached out to me they're like do you please come i was like I'm not traveling to another city to go see Katy Perry for free even.

5:10Sorry. Yeah, I think that's a pretty big flop. You know what was not a flop was George Santos going into prison.

5:18Ben Mandelker: I know. What a great anti-flop. Yeah, he's a flop. Yeah, he's a retching.

5:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah. What about you? What are your flops? I think that George Santos counts as a flop, don't you? Yeah. He really tried it. Although he did come far for a flop. He was a flop who really gained a following. Yeah, and a lot of money on Cameo. Yeah, a lot of money. He reversed Katy Perry. Katy Perry is more of a flop because she was really famous and now she's coming down. And he's different because he was little and came up and is now going to jail. So it's better. George Santos beats Katy Perry. That's what I see.

5:59Ben Mandelker: I guess flop for me, I guess I'll just bandwagon and go for the Epstein files. why not like that's a flop yeah all the way around no no i mean that they're not on release

6:12Ronnie Karam: of the epstein files man i've been i've been waiting for those things for years those things ain't never coming well did you see today's plane the files are not coming did you see today's little headlines that just just after the doj goes and talks to glane maxwell she's like wait we should read we should talk about overturning my conviction actually oh yeah and then trump was like he's like um i mean maybe i'll think about it so i did it for the christies hey why not i can

6:41Ben Mandelker: do it for you she's like i'm gonna unflop myself look santos is in i should go one in one out right

6:47Ronnie Karam: that's how it works that's how it works speaking of flops and the christies getting out of jail was that their name chris the chris yeah the chris lees the chris lees yeah yeah them getting out of jail did you read that the husband is it chris chrisley what's his name what's the I think so. Yeah, I think it's Chris. He's like, ew, my wife coming out of jail, that look was a turnoff. Like, oh, really? So that's what finally did it. That's what did it for you, huh? Chris Lee. What a little asshole.

7:13Ben Mandelker: He probably had a great time in jail, let's just be honest. He probably.

7:16Ronnie Karam: His wife came out of jail looking hot, by the way. I was like, yes. I mean, she looked like she could serve me lunch in the fifth grade, but also kick someone's ass, but also kind of hot, like ride a motorcycle. I was into it. Okay. Good for her. What's her name, Dana? Good for her. I don't know. i don't know i don't follow them me either i don't know dana chrisley we'll just say it

7:38Ronnie Karam: dana chrisley hey dana hey dana she gives me chrisley energy you know it's not a flop

7:44Ben Mandelker: because we were just talking backstage uh that you went to backstreet boys also a week or two before us but we just went and we had the best time that was reverse flop same loved it so much that was like you know what i was anticipating i'm going to be completely honest. I was going strictly for the nostalgia factor, but I thought it was going to be a little cringy just based on how long it's been since we've performed and been a boy band together, but I thought they were really great.

8:13Ronnie Karam: They did a great job.

8:14Ben Mandelker: They were so good.

8:16Ronnie Karam: We got a bottle of massage in the seats because the seats vibrated. You know what I loved about it too? Most of the audience was of a certain age, and so most of us were sad. I loved to that. I told Ben that because I'd gone to see Beyonce the night before and there were only a couple of times we could take the anti-sitting down break, you know, like I call it the anti-hour or whatever. But man, in Backstreet Boys, we got to sit down for more than half of that show. I loved it. Sat. I was like my back, my lower back is loving this.

8:49Ben Mandelker: Just watch videos. Watch spaceships going through space, the desert appears, like the wave, big giant crashing waves over your head. It was like being at the planetarium. We have an update, by the way, in the comments from CSBS, who reminds us that the Chrisley's names are Todd and Julie. And Chris Chrisley is just our brain melding Chris Christie with Todd Chrisley. We don't follow those. Thank you so much. For everyone who is losing their minds.

9:18Ronnie Karam: So sorry, Dana. Whoever Dana Chrisley is out there feeling attacked, I'm so sorry.

9:22Ben Mandelker: The big flop is the three of us on our Chrisley knowledge.

9:26Ronnie Karam: It's us. I hope there's not some lunch lady named Dana Chrisley out there somewhere feeling extremely offended. Just like an avid Watch What Crappens fan. She's listening right now, just like tears.

9:38Ben Mandelker: Some lunch lady, they'll be like, Dana, I heard that you were in jail and that you got a makeover. And that you looked great, yeah. I heard that you looked great. All right, let's go into some Bravo news.

9:51Ronnie Karam: We have been, I have personally felt so unattacked by the world. You know, like, I feel like lately the world is just not going our way. There's just so much going wrong in it. What do you mean? I don't want to get specific. But, I mean, the Chrisleys were let out. You know what I mean? Things like that. Dana Chrisley, free again. Free to abuse people at lunchtime. But things have not been going well. But you know what? That bad luck turned the second we finished the last crappy hour, almost. Jax was fired from the Valley. I don't care what they say. He did not take time off for rehab because he's not going to rehab.

10:27Ronnie Karam: So if he took time off for rehab, he's not going to spend it wisely. I'll say that. Jax is gone. Ding dong. The Jax is dead. What say you? You know what? I have such a love-hate relationship with Jax because, I mean, he is a whole mess, right? We can all agree that he is a whole mess. But he also really makes good TV. And I do love watching him. I think he's aware of who he is, and he's playing that villain character pretty well. But, oh my God. Here's how I think about it. I think that I would have loved to hate him if we were friends back in my party days. I just grew up 14 years earlier than he did.

11:09I realized it wasn't a cute look after a certain age.

11:11Ronnie Karam: Well, who doesn't love a friend with Coke? Right? I would have loved to fight with him. um but you know i i think with this whole season i was kind of riding the fence with him on how i felt about this journey because i'm someone who gave up drinking and i'm you know sober and i was like okay you know good for you that you're trying and you can see the steps and and all of that um and i was just like man everything's coming at him from every different angle and then i think when i watched him like just hone in on danny i was like oh wait there's the little child boy who hasn't grown up yet uh so we're just the same jacks from 10 years ago nothing's really changed so um yeah i'm same with you i'm like good some time away might be good for you yeah yeah i'm i don't think

11:58Ben Mandelker: it's even gonna be i don't think i don't think he could be fixed at this point i really don't i think that like he has never learned his lesson he's gonna wind up finding an audience that's going to embrace him and he's going to lean into narratives of cancel culture yeah anything anymore and like what happened to when like a woman supported a man he's gonna do that whole thing it's like it's so inevitable his entire his entire rehab journey just just felt like yes like I just I just never heard that you could be in frequent contact with with people in rehab I didn't know that was a thing believe it or I actually used a weird corner of my career is that I used to write reviews for rehab facilities oh my gosh did you know this ronnie no i'm trying i'm like going

12:48Ronnie Karam: back in my rolodex of all the things we've told each other over the years and i do not remember that you don't even do anything you don't i have to explain drugs i was like i was like a rehab

12:59Ben Mandelker: travel writer i would basically go on the website i would call them up i'd get information out of write blurb that was like this rehab offers these kinds of services. You have to, you can have no communication. They have, this is the food schedule. This is what amenities they have. I was like, I would do this. And I don't seem to remember any of them that were like, you get full access to your phone all the time. You know, none of them said that. I, I don't ever want to hear the phrase rage texting. and he said that so many times but he did you saw though you could see the little like the little shots of her phone and he was going for it yeah and the whole like i don't believe he

13:45Ronnie Karam: went to rehab because he was taking calls you know i think that that's a fair point i don't believe he went to rehab because his pupils never changed and he continued screaming and yelling and sweating all over everybody so that's why i didn't she said his forehead is greasy his pores are greasy. His hair is greasy. That was my favorite part of the season when she's like, I used to love him so much. Now this is greasy. It's just so greasy.

14:11Ben Mandelker: That was such a great epiphany for her to finally see the grease. It's like she finally, like it was everything was lifted. The mass was lifted and all she saw was grease. So much grease. What we've been seeing for all these years on TV.

14:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah. She's finally found a chicken wing. She does not want. so um uh andy says i'm very pleased with his decision i think is reading the room well and i think the most important thing is that i hope that he can work on his issues and comes up uh and this comes up at the reunion he comes up at every reunion andy it's every single reunion he's been like i'm changing i'm changing i'm so sorry but i'm changing i'm working yes the

14:50Ben Mandelker: problem with jacks taylor is that coming seems to be a constant problem for him it gets him into trouble a lot. So things do come up with him for sure. I, yeah, like, um, yeah, like, well, he's good at this. I'm so proud of his, it's such a canned response from Andy to be like, Oh, I'm so happy. I think he's going to really work on himself. I'm happy. This is like, he's doing this. It's like, I don't think Andy is actually sincerely happy. He just has to say that because he has to be, you know, friendly to all the Bravo stars. Yeah, yeah. You know, I just think it's funny. For me, it's like, you quit a reality show that you started because reality starts catching up with you.

15:32And I was looking at a lot of comments over this. Once, you know, we got our, we knew what we're going to be talking about today. and there are so many comments of people suggesting that he is faking this and the only reason he's letting go of his name on the bar and stepping away from the show is so that

15:50Ronnie Karam: britney will have to pay him alimony yes well that's another thing he wants to get alimony from britney so if he is showing no income then that's one way what a trash reputation to have he's going to do that either way though because he's not making a ton of money from jacks's he's that's a licensing deal you know i don't have his financials in front of me but he doesn't actually own that place it's like some little have you been over there i have not been over there because i have pride and taste no offense if you've gone but um it's just a little back proportion of rocco's a restaurant that's out there that they put a different sign on and let him sell some booze so he maybe gets like a small percentage of that bar but he's not making he's

16:31Ben Mandelker: not rolling a dough from that yeah well and he may not be anymore because uh the news is that Jax Taylor is stepping away from his Los Angeles bar, Jax's Studio City. And you know what's so funny? Just looking at it written out, Jax's Studio City, it looks like he probably reads that as like, this is my version of Studio City. It's not like it's Jax's located in Studio City. Jax's Studio City is like, yeah, this is my town. I own this place. That's the way he probably thinks. This is the heart of Studio City. This is my Studio City. But he has left it. He made the decision to terminate his partnership according to TMZ.

17:08Ben Mandelker: He got fired from that too. Yeah. He said it was a carefully considered and necessary step to prioritize his sobriety and mental health. You were fired from your own bar. We all know it. And if you get fired from Jax's, that's just sad at that point because like Ronnie said, it's not even like a real bar. It's just like a backroom with some fake succulents and a beer tap. Crazy. You know what? I will say, I do jump on the bandwagon of like if Andy really meant his sentiments toward the situation because I just always think about these people like these are not next gen NYC cast members these are people in their 40s they're full grown adults and you know that's all well and fine for them to like act like this on national television for themselves but they do have real children who did not make those choices but do have to deal with those real life consequences of mommy and daddy choosing to reality stars.

18:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's true. And I mean, look, I always feel for the kids, but I'm going to feel for Jax's kids no matter what's happening because they're... One thing that I really loved about the Jax news is I was thinking, well, we already got our good news about Jax being fired. Is that my good news for the year? You know, because I was still in kind of a negative place. And then the season finale of The Valley was on last week and Jax was doing his whole attacking Danny, you know, coming for him and trying, you know, doing whatever he was doing to him. And Danny came out with his revelation. You know, Jax is fucking all, you know, employees from his bar.

18:40Ronnie Karam: And I loved that Danny, who's really been coached by Nia the whole season, to just keep your peace, Danny. Let him steal your peace. I love that he finally volleyed one back at Jax. And it could have gotten him fired. I mean, he got fired right after that. Yeah. So they can take a lot. Like, they'll take a lot as long as it's famous. And we see the old guy, you know, who owns Rocco's or whatever, hanging out with Jax now, like trying to be one of the group. We saw him on the season finale again. We saw him try to tell off the, you know, the group of friends like you guys went in and took over his bar last night and put Brit's name on it.

19:15Ronnie Karam: Like we saw him like standing up for Jax. So we know that that guy would actually be standing up for Jax. But now it's come to attack Rocco's business because you can't have that. That's sexual harassment, sir. so I really like that Danny ended up kind of getting one over on Jax in the end yeah well and I it was his behavior towards Danny was I was it came out of nowhere it was just like he had his like sights set on him it was like you know a wolf stalking his prey it was it was bizarre to me and I was just like what okay even if all of the things you're saying are true like I just don't understand why we're spending so much energy on this it's a massive deflection he just does

19:54Ben Mandelker: massive deflection yeah he's like he knows he has messed up and he was just waiting to find someone else to drag down i mean it is truly like crabs in a bucket and he he he he heard that there was a talk about danny and he's like i can go up to danny make him look worse than me and then i won't be the worst guy here like that's what he's always done and it just did not work this time it really he just he couldn't he couldn't get this thing off of him yeah beautiful that it happened

20:21Ronnie Karam: on another season where he said, this is my show. You're on my show. That's what he got fired from. But Zach, too, this season was that last episode was wild.

20:34Ben Mandelker: Zach did a great job. Did a great job. Oh my gosh. That was a chaotic finale. I loved it. It was really good. Low-key, my favorite part was when Zach just dropped his arm into two tuna tartars. I don't know why. I was like a slapstick moment of the night for me. I was like, this is a great finale. Yeah. It's time for a commercial.

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24:15Ronnie Karam: So news that shocked nobody but one person whose name is Kenya Moore. It is that Kenya Moore confirms she's not returning to Real Housewives of Atlanta. What are all thoughts? I saw that. I mean, there's so many things, right? Okay, listen, so we, there's the dirty photo scandal, which, you know, people are saying there's a lot to do with that her, you know, leaking those photos. But I think the biggest bombshell that has me at the end, because Atlanta is one of my favorite cities in this, in this universe, and her saying that there's gonna be two new cast members and that there would be well known people, like names, has me on the edge of my seat.

24:59Ronnie Karam: you like who she mentioned let me see who she said did she say well she hinted and then people are guessing okay i didn't see any guesses um i did see them and i don't have them here so i'll shut up for a minute and research while you guys

25:14Ben Mandelker: talk about it um well i i agree i think that like i think that if she is to come back to atlanta it's just too soon after that scandal especially since Brit is threatening to sue Bravo I think they can take a distance a little bit for you know until that blows over I think they will have her back though because the audience was firmly anti-Brit and so Bravo's usually going to follow what the audience is saying especially if their show is struggling a little bit so maybe they'll try to reach out with some new people but if they bring on two new people I wonder who's out well Brit is I guess Brit and Kenya but Kenya was a friend of so Brit is definitely out and I wonder if they'll drop anyone else or they'll just expand.

25:57Ben Mandelker: I think they're keeping everybody.

25:58Ronnie Karam: I think they're keeping everybody. And then the rumors are that, let's see here, Kay Michelle and Pinky Cole set to join.

26:07Ben Mandelker: Oh, Kay Michelle. Kay Michelle, okay. That's very cool. Those are the rumors.

26:13Ronnie Karam: So we'll see, buddy. By the way, Kenya's doing a fun job just kind of making her own confessionals on YouTube. she seems to be kind of a fun idea yeah to just like well just said i'll just pretend i'm on the show and do my own confession we should do that ben we should have our own confessionals we should transition this podcast just just just confessionals when kenya said that i really felt like what are

26:43Ben Mandelker: you talking about you're my best girlfriend like who is this guy i saw her walk into that salon

26:49Ronnie Karam: I thought, oh, no, poster boards, Kenya.

26:56Oh, you guys, it would be really good. I'm on board for this. I support it.

27:00Ben Mandelker: Just bespoke fanfic confessionals. Not bespoke.

27:06Ronnie Karam: My hairy moobs coming out of a ballgame. This one sounds fun to me. I love the headline. Real Housewives of Potomac alum Candace Dillard Bassett unfollows Real Housewives of Atlanta, Portia Williams, after filming The Traitors. Dun-dun-dun. Wow.

27:27Ben Mandelker: How do you feel about this? Yeah, let us know. What do you think? This has me very excited because I love The Traitors. I was almost cast on season one, actually, before they went mostly famous people. In the early rounds of auditioning and casting, it was just going to be regular people.

27:45Ronnie Karam: and um need to be what do you need to do to be considered famous you've got like a zillion followers well this was years ago so i've grown a lot since then but um yeah they were interested me because i had know what that's like some sort of good for you yeah but um but i i've been in love with the show ever since and so um no because right these two girls like they have these two women they have a lot of history with each other back to bravo's chat room and real housewives ultimate girl trip and everything. So for them to have that, that, that history of drama, then going into a reality show where there is murder and backstabbing and you're lying right to each other's faces.

28:26It's like, what, okay, what, what caused, you know, the official act of the unfollow, you know, very, I can't wait, very exciting stuff.

28:35Ronnie Karam: Do you guess it's something that's like murder based, like where one of them had to betray the other one? Or do you think it's just like personality stuff? I'm going to go with just personality stuff. I think it doesn't even have to do with like plot.

28:47Ben Mandelker: I think it's going to be a mix of both, to be honest. I mean, personally, I didn't, I thought they already, I didn't even know they were on good terms because my memory of the ultimate girls trip that they did on Peacock a few years ago, Candace and Portia had beef back then and they were like not getting along. So when it's like, Oh, Candace unfollowed Portia. I was like, I thought they already didn't like each other in the first place, but maybe they had mended or something along the way. I think when I was looking, when I saw the headline and I read into it that, you know, they had kind of lost touch, I think was one of them said we've kind of like, I don't know, just slowly parted ways.

29:25But I don't know if the unfollowing, you know, it was like they still followed each other on Instagram or whatever, but something happened.

29:31Ben Mandelker: but this is also candace and like honestly it may be just as simple that candace was you know was up first was in the line of fire and everyone voted for candace and portia voted for candace like everyone else and then candace comes home and is like the fact that she would vote for me and we were both on the real housewives that just bothered me because she built an entire rivalry against Robin on Potomac. Very similar. I can't believe you would say that. It was so tenuous. She's good for a tenuous feud. I think that's the Housewives franchise. It's every season of The Traitors. They're just like, but wait, we're the Housewives.

30:14There's no other series. Other people are like, we know each other. We've met each other. Alliance, the other ones are like, we're Housewives.

30:21Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's it. It would be interesting. Well, they have to on that show because they get kicked off first every time. You know, they get rid of all the housewives. Yeah.

30:29Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So good. Jealous of their fan base. By the way, Misha, before you go, I just want, I feel like we forgot to mention, we did not even pour a little drink out for one of the biggest flops, which is the Aaron and Michelle relationship from the Valley because Aaron and Michelle have broken up. Oh my gosh. I know we all thought they were going to be a forever couple. There was another unfollow there. Yeah. Oh my God, I forgot about that. I know we thought they were going to last forever, Michelle and Aaron, but they are splitsville. Their relationship was announced to be deceased just a few days ago.

31:07Ben Mandelker: I cannot believe it.

31:08Ronnie Karam: I can't believe that Aaron would die. How do you feel? Did you think those crazy kids were going to last forever, Misha? I don't think any of these people are going to last together. listen the only thing the only thing the only aspect of their lives that i'm jealous of like i i watch these reality shows and i see that like literally every time they get together it's over food and i'm just like that could be me i could get on board with that aspect of being a reality tv star because they are just they're at brunch or there's just little snacks on the table they're having you know cocktails i'd have a mocktail sounds fabulous but then the rest of it is just such garbage.

31:44Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, I agree with you, except when you really think about it, because I used to think that too, like I have like eating issues. Like I just always want to eat. Like I go up and down 200 pounds within a year. Like I'm not even lying multiple times. My heart will pop soon. But I always thought that too. I was like, I want to be on these shows because all you do is eat, but they never eat because you look crazy when you eat. So you're basically going to all these great places and being served free food and then you can't eat the food. So it's actually kind of like the seventh circle of hell.

32:14Yeah. I don't know. There'd probably be memes of me, just like shoveling shrimp in my mouth. Yeah. I would not care. Yeah. It's free food. That could be me.

32:26Ronnie Karam: I love it. Well, thanks so much for being here, Misha. You can follow Misha on Instagram at your bestie Misha. Also follow the big flop. What else? Is there anything else we should? well I mean it's a while away but my debut book Be Your Own Bestie comes out February of 2026 oh nice I love it congratulations that's awesome well let us know so we can plug it when it comes out it's been great talking to you I always love chatting with you alright we'll see you soon bye alright everybody we will be staying here for a bit and then taking your calls towards the end of our hour here. So Ben, what else would you like to discuss today on Creepy Hour?

33:12Ben Mandelker: Well, we've been talking about some heavy stuff. You know, we're talking about like addiction and rehab, talking about scandals with pictures from Kenya Moore and everything. And I just wanted to, as long as we're talking about serious shit, let's talk about, if we're going to talk about serious shit, we're going to talk about serious shit. so the thing that we must address of course is that Bethany Frankel is maybe not going to go to the Hamptons that much this summer oh my god yeah yeah I went on to my phone like a few hours ago and there was a video from Bethany and she was like guys normally at this time I'm in the Hamptons I'm not in the Hamptons right now because you know what something's a little off something a little off over there and I've been telling people it's not off it's not the same and I said you know what I'm not going to go to the Hamptons normally I'm always in the Hamptons I'm always in the Hamptons I'm always there it's a town full of fishermen it's like people it's like young people but you could not get me closer the congestion is terrible so I'm staying closer to New York for three minutes she explains with the urgency that it's the night before an election and you have to vote otherwise the country's going to go to hell and with that sort of intensity she's like And that's why I'm not going to be in the Hamptons.

34:30Ben Mandelker: I go down to Florida. Florida, you know what? It's 10 degrees hotter, but I go to Florida instead. But I'm not going to Hamptons. She's trying to make Florida happen because she got a place in Florida.

34:40Ronnie Karam: And so now everything is horrible except for Florida. She's going to really try and make it look like Florida is now where everybody goes. It's not, Bethany. I mean, people do go to Florida, but people who enjoy the Hamptons are not necessarily going to automatically like Florida. Florida's hot as hell, girl. No. Okay. Hamptons. I say Hampton. I say stick with Hamptons. I saw a little Bethany thing earlier where they were like, millionaire Bethany Frankel slams idiots for going and spending$7 a day on coffee. He's like, what are you, stupid? I use coffee. What are you, spending$7? Like, what are you, dumb?

35:14Ronnie Karam: What are you, moronic? Hamptons? Hamptons dwellers? Like, who does that?

35:21Ben Mandelker: What are you... I don't even understand. I don't understand what this is all about. I mean, in Florida, the coffee's amazing. I just want to point that out. The coffee in the Hamptons kind of off. It's off. I don't think they even have coffee there anymore. Just dirt. Just dirt with water.

35:36Ronnie Karam: Bethany Frankel still making headlines over stupid shit every day.

35:41Ben Mandelker: Well, technically, I just want to say that for the record, there was no headline about this. This is a Ben mental headline. I just saw the video and was like, this lady is still, she's making announcements. God bless her. God bless Bethany Frankl.

35:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So let's see here. What else do we have in here? Well, there's this Aaron and Denise Singh. I wasn't here. I'm sure you talked about it. This Aaron and Denise Singh, a lot of people are asking us to talk about it. It's really rough to talk about because there's nothing I'm going to say except a rageful fuck you to Aaron Pfeipers. I don't care what Denise did. He can try and go do any interview he wants and do any TMZ article that he wants and accuse Denise. One of them today is he accuses Denise of Vicodin addiction. Yeah, no shit, Aaron. Do you think we don't have eyes? We've been watching this show.

36:35Ronnie Karam: Okay, we've seen her with her whatever she's addicted to. Most likely that or Zanny bars or whatever the hell else she's going on. Nobody's necessarily surprised by that. And guess what else? It's not a reason to fucking beat your wife, you asshole. Fuck off. I don't want to hear anything more from Aaron. So I don't really want to give that any attention until he goes to prison because fuck that guy. And also his whole like, oh, she says she's supporting my family. My family takes care of her dogs. My family does all this stuff. They're unpaid. They don't even have hot water in the house. Maybe they should get fucking jobs, Aaron.

37:06Ronnie Karam: They're living in her condo that she paid for. She's not. Now she has to pay their bills, too, because they watch her dogs. Fuck off. Does not give you a right to abuse your wife. So mostly I'm going to avoid that because this is all you're going to get from me.

37:18Ben Mandelker: Great. is right um and so in other news in other news uh so the sheena book has been really you know uh making its rounds on the on the circuits here so uh did sheena on the hollywood

37:34Ronnie Karam: on the hollywood circuit this made this book is making as many rounds as sheena's made

37:38Ben Mandelker: it's impressive yeah well you know i did try i did date a lot of people like shane west um Shane West and the guy, Shane West three times, and also Shamar Moore, the guy from Access Hollywood, the camera guy from Access Hollywood, just to name a few. Went through a lot of them.

38:03Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So let's go through some bombshells from Sheena's book. What we need to know. This is a People magazine, and I like that they've started doing the Daily Mail thing where they're like, people are too stupid to read. so let's just say in bullet points at the top i love a bullet point so what you need to know sheena shay's new memoir um she has some big book bombshells okay she opens up about how she discovered how she had an ocd to finding out about eddie sibrian and leanne rhymes's affair i'm trying to tell my truth of my story shay tells people so let's see what are the biggest bombshells been you read it i read it i mean i read this thing and if you guys want to hear a

38:43Ben Mandelker: really in-depth discussion about this. Go check out Glamorous Trash where Chelsea Devontes and I break it all down. And we, you know, last week, last crappy hour, we talked about the Brock cheating thing with Kiki. But now people are getting, learning more and more things about what's happened with, like with Sheena. One of the things is that, that there's a lot of, a lot of talk about Jesse Metcalf because she talked about how like she was dating Jesse Metcalf and that like she was like she wasn't drinking in support of him and things like that and jesse mccalf um uh basically was like i don't know why she keeps talking about me why it's like sure i'm

39:26Ronnie Karam: two episodes of desperate housewives why is why does anybody think that that's a giant score jesse mccalf he's like the sweaty gardener from desperate how like he was on two episodes why are I don't understand how that's a big bombshell.

39:41Ben Mandelker: But one of the other bombshells is that she, in the book, when she talks about joining Vanderpump Rules, she basically is like, I was working in Villa Blanca, and Lisa was like, I need you to work. Like, darling, I need you to come work at this party tonight. And then Brandy's there, and Lisa came over and was like, oh, I didn't know she'd be here. Oh, goodness, here, have some water and get off. Don't work here anymore. And so Sheena thought like, oh my God, it was this honest mistake. But then like the big twist at the end of the book is that it's confirmed that Lisa Vanderpump did know that Sheena, Sheena and Brandy's past and that Lisa used Sheena to launch Vanderpump rules.

40:26Ben Mandelker: And of course she knew.

40:27Ronnie Karam: And how did she know? Because Sheena told her like, we really think, listen, you really think that Sheena didn't know that Vanderpump knew and set this whole thing up? Of course she did. Sheena looked so fucking excited. That was Sheena's breakout moment in TV. That was one of the most exciting things to ever happen to Sheena. It made her a whole life. It gave her a whole career. For Sheena to act like, I'm still so victimized that she heard me. Really? Because you did 10 years on her show and kissed her ass until recently for book sales. I'm buying that from you, Sheena. Biting the hand that feeds you.

40:59Ronnie Karam: And I loved Vanderpump's response. She's like, I don't give a fuck. How about that? I don't care what that idiot has to say. I'm not giving her any air. Okay. I've just started another fire, allegedly, in my new Las Vegas hotel for insurance money. Just kidding. Just kidding. Don't sue me. But yeah, I love that her answer is now like, fuck off. And then Peter was like, well, you know, I don't even like any of the people from Vendor Pump Rules anymore because they all bite the hands and feed them. And Lisa made them all famous, which I agree with Peter. But then Sheena posted receipts saying, oh, really?

41:33Ronnie Karam: Well, it looks like Peter's mad now that I won't come on his podcast. because she posts receipts of him being really nice and asking if she would have somebody come on a podcast network or something.

41:44Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Did you see the teaser for the new Vanderpump Rules season? No. Well, it wasn't much. It was just like, it was like, you know, sort of the spectral sounds and it was like, the faces are all different, but the rules are the same. Vanderpump Rules coming soon. That's all it was. But, you know, they're getting ready. You know, getting ready to spice it up. Although I have to say, if you say the faces are all new, but the rules are the same, that could just mean the cast is coming back because it's always new faces every season. Let's be honest.

42:19Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. It's Bravo. You better have a new face. You're not coming back for another season. Another bombshell from Sheena's book. And listen, I have to say, I really like Sheena. I loved her on Vanderpump Rules. We were always Team Sheena. I mean, even when Sheena was damn wrong, I feel like we're always on Team Sheena. Sheena's getting on my damn nerves with this whole publicity tour about her book. Everything I'm reading about it is annoying me. There's not one thing that's come out that's not annoying me. The Brock stuff annoyed me. And she's the one who got cheated on. So I'm not saying she's annoying.

42:50Ronnie Karam: But that whole Brock thing. I'm like, I didn't talk about it because I really want to protect my child. So I wanted to wait for she was able to read. Because reading about it would really be more intellectual for her. You're trying to protect her. You just put it in a book to sell books. What are you talking about? So that whole Brock thing, I think, is kind of hypocritical to hold that and then accuse everybody else on the show of hiding things or not showing enough for TV and not giving enough of her life when she literally hit a huge thing to not villainize her husband, who's already been accused of sexual assault and all of that and lost custody after abandoning his children.

43:25Ronnie Karam: So, you know, it's a little much her bombshells from the book. But this one I thought was hilarious. Shay realized she might have OCD due to her fixation on Instagram followers. You don't have OCD. You have narcissism, girl. You have MPD, not OCD. Maybe you have both.

43:45Ben Mandelker: Well, she also had another bombshell. So this is on Reddit. Biwig Hello Drama reports that Sheena says the season nine finale of hashtag pump rules was scripted in Us Weekly. the cast has been vocal about the show not being scripted but you write about another moment in season nine that was also orchestrated a confrontation with lala kent about you and brock getting engaged during james and rachel's engagement weekend oh yeah i can tell about this this is from the book yeah so basically um sheena we all remember that sheena and brock got engaged while during during the party for James and Raquel which was of course everyone was mad at them for that and so basically all the girls were like you know what we can do we can start a fight to kind of like distract away from it so she was like yeah we absolutely scripted that finale like Lala pulled Ariana and Katie aside and we're like okay we're not going to show up and do our job but like we're going to we're not we're going to show up and do our job but we're not going to tell production that we're going to fake a fight because production won't know we did that until this comes out and so basically like they faked a moment and she just says it was a one off and the only time they ever faked anything um because they wanted to uh save their jobs and get another season so they were just being martyrs

45:05Ronnie Karam: guys but yeah she's basically like jesus um that's ridiculous and also it's just bad it's just bad reality stardom because it's like gross sheena and you're trying so hard to get on the valley and you're having problems with credibility and this is not going to help sheener so when she began another bombshell when she began dating brock she was questioning her sexuality with a female friend oh no possible bisexuality like what are you a reality a 50 year old reality star on like real housewives

45:38Ben Mandelker: where they're like oh my god a bisexual she had she had like met this girl and they had become like really good friends and then they had like made out and then their whole thing was that they would like they would go out and then they'd like make out and stuff like that but then when she started dating brock they like made out she was like she told this whole story about like and and then like we like my friend i forgot the girl's name let's just call her casey i'm saying that because i don't know i think i saw casey somewhere on screen so she's like so casey and i like went to vegas and like it was there to celebrate her for her birthday but i'd like left my sweater behind and so like brock he totally like drove out to vegas with my sweater just so that he could give me my sweater and then like i made out with like casey and then he was like really bothered by that and he was like don't make out with girls in front of me and like i never even thought like oh my god like that like they could be bothersome so like she basically says that she stopped like she always thought of casey as like her friend that she would go to parties with and they would make out but like she realized that like now that she really likes a guy it's actually insulting to the guy and she had to tell Casey that they had to have boundaries and then she and Casey their friendship just kind of fizzled out after that it was really tragic it was a sad story

46:47Ronnie Karam: that is that is huge and it's you know what else it's also a huge bombshell so I'm glad she shared that another bombshell Andy Cohen allegedly handed Shay a fake court filing from Rachel slash Raquel during the Vanderpump Rules room people are still calling her Rachel but I think she went back to Raquel, didn't she?

47:05Ben Mandelker: Did she?

47:05Ronnie Karam: She's a very confusing person. I thought so. But anyway, Andy Cohen allegedly handed her a fake court filing from Rachel during the Vanderpump Rules reunion. I guess there was one filed, but they didn't have it, so Andy just gave her a prop. And tricked her. Everybody's just tricking Sheena, guys, at all times. Poor Sheena.

47:26Ben Mandelker: The way that they're able to do such easy prop work around Sheena,

47:29Ronnie Karam: it's like, it was a CBS receipt, Sheena. Like, all you had to do was look at it. She's like, okay, let me read this. It's like 10 feet long.

47:41Ben Mandelker: Wow, I can't believe they bought all these supplies before the court case.

47:46Ronnie Karam: Yeah, this, Taylor says, Sheena gives the Kiss Girls to Get Attention vibes. And I 100 % agree with that. She's like, oh, my God, I was almost like gay one time. Yeah. Michelle says and well yeah Andy's not a process server so chances are he didn't have that when you didn't have it Gina

48:10Ben Mandelker: yeah it's a silly book I'm not gonna lie it's a very very silly read but it's also hilarious just imagine just sitting with 200 pages of Sheena voice everything is like oh and here's like a really funny story so in the book she has one moment she's you know she has the first few chapters are about like growing up and she's like yeah and i like would get bullied in school because i was like really smart i just wanted to fit in and i wanted to do my makeup like all the other girls but they'd make fun of me because i wasn't doing the makeup right and put me into a locker and then i went to college and i did really well in college and i had so much fun in college i did really good i was really good at college but i wanted to be it was an actress and then all of a sudden she has a chapter because wait guys hold on before i go any further let me tell you the craziest story so this one time i was like i wanted to be a waitress for Hooters.

48:55Ben Mandelker: So I went in for the interview and the guy was like, okay, here, like put on the uniform in this trailer. So I put it on. Turns out he had a hidden camera and he had actually secretly videotaped all of us Hooter waitresses while we were changing. And there was a class action lawsuit. And then they said, then Gloria Allred, yes, vlog Gloria Allred contacted me and was like, would you speak on behalf of the victims? And I was like, oh my God, because I was so good at testifying. They wanted me to speak for all the girls. And I really was like, this is like my moment. So like I spoke for all the girls and And then he went away to jail and hopefully it will never happen again.

49:27Ben Mandelker: But anyway, isn't that a crazy story? And you're like, what the hell is this chapter that just fell in the middle of Sheena's like, and then here I got ice cream in West Covina. And I love that her takeaway.

49:36Ronnie Karam: Thank God I finally learned how to do makeup.

49:38Ben Mandelker: And her takeaway was like, I've always wanted to be a performer. I've always wanted to be in front of a camera. And look, I got to be the one who spoke on behalf of the class action lawsuit. Not like, whoa, look at this creepy guy. I mean, she does say this guy's a creep, you know, but like, Her takeaway is not more introspective than, wow, it turns out I really do have a natural talent, just like people always told me as a little girl. It was amazing.

50:05Ronnie Karam: And also, I like that she's name-dropping Gloria Allred. She can't stop name-dropping even when she's, yes, the Gloria Allred. She really does. I was like the best speaker for the victims.

50:15Ben Mandelker: She name-drops throughout the entire book. At one point, she's like, so this one time, I went to a bar with my friend Stacy, and then it goes like, hyphen, she was the bartender on the hills, And so we went to this club and we had so much fun. Thank you. Thank you for, thank you for filling in that very important detail that this like tertiary character in a mid to late season of the Hills you went to a club with.

50:36Ronnie Karam: What's tertiary.

50:42Ronnie Karam: But good for her, you know, good for her for having a book. Cause I, I honestly never saw that one coming and I'll never see it unfolding either. So, it's an amazing time of script so now is the time where we turn the show over to you dear audience for everybody just listening on audio this is it for you, we're done but we will be back in a couple of weeks so join us then everybody else, thank you so much for being here we'll take your calls the rest of the night we'll talk to you next time guys, bye

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