#2952 The Valley S2E16 Part Two: Lost Sporkle

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1:24Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Happens. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're like, hey, wait a minute, I didn't hear part one. Guys, it's because we put out a lot of recaps. Go back and listen to part one, okay? It's before this one. Bye. Enjoy the show.

1:42Ben Mandelker: So, Jan, it's like, you know, nobody's putting a gun to her head to date you. And, like, Jason's advice was don't date somebody who agreed to share their life on camera if she feels very private about it. so jesse's like oh well sheena was very vocal about that sheena called my girlfriend and said no one will like you as long as you're with jesse listen i mean i don't think she was wrong

2:04Ronnie Karam: i know but she was also with brock so i don't know i don't know that sheena has many legs to

2:10Ben Mandelker: stand on in this one true but brock has an australian accent and jesse has a hair dent so i don't know i'm still gonna say jesse's worse sheena who tried to get uh ariana to make up with

2:21Ronnie Karam: Tom so she could still have a show to shoot on. It's like, don't be nice to the bad guy. So Andy's like, so Jesse, do you think Michelle is anxious to finalize her divorce so she can get married to Aaron and start a new family? And he's like, if that's the next step, that's fine. I can't wait until I stop her new babies from seeing her dying mother.

2:45Ben Mandelker: All right, Jack's hearing all this. Were you listening, Jack's? He's like, no. okay well do you think it's gonna be hard for you when Brit starts dating a man and she introduces him to Cruz he's like yes do you think it's gonna be hard for you when she just dates a man without introducing him to Cruz yes do you think it's gonna be hard for you when Brit just sees a man yes do you think it's gonna be rough on you when

3:08Ronnie Karam: Britney starts eating chicken wings alone in her bed sorry it's already happened okay Britney and she's like well he starts with five of me every day about who I talk to and who I'm around every day. Every day, Andy. Okay? Every day. And he's like, well, why do you have any jurisdiction about who she's talking to? He's like, I know. I know, okay? It's just like a tally. Like, I'm trying to work on it, Andy. I am. I am. It's me and Jax. You know, I'm trying. You're looking progress. You're becoming a newbie, Andy. I'm becoming a newbie. I'm like a little flower, buddy. God, it's just new Jax. New Jax, Andy.

3:40Ben Mandelker: Christine goes, just keep it yourself. Just don't say it to her, okay? I get triggered, though.

3:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I get triggered. I'm triggered. do you have a therapist yeah do you have go to the therapist

3:55Ben Mandelker: do you listen to therapists

3:57Ronnie Karam: yeah yeah you know I do like every every Monday I go you know I've been to four therapists Andy none of them have worked out you know not one of them has told me what I wanted to hear so you know I finally found one I've been to twice so you know that's pretty good you know you know me back in Vanderpump I had two or three you know there was a reiki chick trying to fuck her there was another chick I don't remember what she was doing. Trying to fuck her too, though. Then I went to that meeting with Laura Lee or whatever the fuck her name was. Dumped her outside of the AA meeting. So that was like therapy, right?

4:26Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I've been trying, Eddie. I've been trying.

4:29Ben Mandelker: All right, well, have his Monday therapy sessions approved anything for you? She's like, no. Eddie's like, okay. Well, Jesse, I want to talk about your budding romance with Kristen and Luke. You reached out to Kristen with an apology at the beginning of the summer. Why would you do that? Aside from the, you know, we know, because the producers told you to do it. He's like, well, listen, Kristen sent me the most gracious text message. I was like, wow, that's very, very, very big of her to take that first step. It basically said, do you mind bringing napkins to our park wedding? And I thought it was nice for someone to see some utility in me.

5:05Ben Mandelker: And I started to just think about what my role played and what happened last year, which is, of course, all Michelle Lally's fault.

5:13Ronnie Karam: I love Kristen and Jesse are just both so full of shit. You're friends because you both hate Michelle and Michelle hates both of you. You have now teamed up so that you have allies. Like, why are we acting like, wow, they became friends because they were really kind to each other in a text. But whatever. So she says that she was wary of him inviting her over, but she went anyway. And, you know, I don't think he really understood, Andy, that when he does things like slams his hands on the table. or yells at a woman or threatens her that that could be triggering to women. You know, because sometimes women go through those things.

5:49Ronnie Karam: So he just had to understand that little part and then we were good. Oh, I love it. He's like, I know that threatening women was triggering.

6:00Ben Mandelker: So I like that. It's like, oh, just a slamming on the table had nothing to do with the words that came out of his mouth or his personality. It was just merely that he made some loud noise and that was triggering.

6:12Ronnie Karam: okay great yeah um so there was no i'm sorry but it was easy to give her give him a chance once he realized he was a triggering person so next question is to michelle you know you told jesse he loves to cry so people think you're cold and insensitive which we've gone over it's true and she's like yeah i'm guarded it's hard for me to cry but he can cry you know at the snap of the fingers and people love to see a man crying and being vulnerable and then they show a montage

6:40Ben Mandelker: which is great of him just fake crying throughout all the years and the best one was when he was

6:47Ronnie Karam: crying michelle's like oh give me a break and he's like and he turned evil and tears right

6:54Ben Mandelker: yeah so kirsten's like i think the conversation like the conversation that last one the montage that was one of the most raw and vulnerable conversations from both of you but then it turns out after that nice conversation at the end of the season it went sour right afterwards which which is like not a surprise. So Jesse explains that he's like, you know, he is a crier. He's like, I've seen Rudy 40 times and I cry every single time they carry him off the field. I don't know if that, that you're still a faker. You're still a fake crier. You can cry at a movie and still be a fake crier. I hate to break it to you.

7:29Ronnie Karam: Jesse making another hilarious pop culture reference to, you know, get his charm out there instead of just fessing up to being a fucking fake or manipulator. You know, He's like, it's a Rudy Suits. Janet's like, well, I like Dave and Buster's. So, yeah, Janet calls him out for that, like, fake cry when they dried up really quickly. And he's like, which conversation was that? Michelle's like, the scheduling conversation. And Janet's like, yeah, those cheers were really gone. And then it just cuts to Zach going, um, we could say the same thing about you.

8:06Ben Mandelker: Zach getting a nice little lick in there. So Jesse was like, those tears were like the first holidays since, you know, since we separated that we wouldn't be together. Those were holiday fake tears. So Jason's like, well, I think like at the time we were filming, I mean, you guys were only separated like less than a year. So I think you guys are saying like, unless Jesse is a complete sociopath, he wouldn't, he would have tears. Like it's an emotional situation for everybody. No, we are saying he's a sociopath, Jason. That is exactly correct. We are calling him a sociopath. Yeah. And there's no two ways about it.

8:36Ronnie Karam: It's all in the eyes, Jason. but glad you're here to stand up for another abuser piece of shit male okay jason's like

8:42Ben Mandelker: i mean unless you're calling him a cold manipulative asshole i mean i think he of course would be emotional like yeah we're calling him a cold that's exactly what we're saying jason

8:52Ronnie Karam: you'd be really great at balderdash uh so uh andy because this is balderdash for the one where you explain things and people have to figure out what they are sort of yeah definitions yeah mailed a balderdash joke okay so andy's like okay we're back nia i heard about your new house in santa clarita sucker what made you fold so quickly and she's like it's really big i have five bedrooms i mean sometimes i drive back to santa clarita and i look around and you know i do what most citizens do in santa clarita i go oh i'm in santa clarita but you know the house is really big

9:30Ben Mandelker: she really is like oh my god what is this choice i made just remember you have an extra room now

9:39Ronnie Karam: someone's not going to be president of like the chamber of commerce in santa clarita

9:46Ben Mandelker: jasmine just realized you're here did you sell them the house jasmine's like no i don't work in that territory i'm just kidding i'm just kidding just in case i got transfer there but no i would never sell a house in santa clarita all right well as multiple marriages were coming aboard at the seams a thread known as boys chat was going strong fueled by drama scandal rumors and apparently lots of vagina pics jacks for all of us who are not lucky enough to be on boys chat pull the curtain back for us no i that's not the same as show us your dick although you can if you want okay pull the curtain back for us and what kind of things are you guys

10:22Ronnie Karam: talking about well it started at schwartz's wedding you know just kind of started i was like all the guys talking and you know because like we were all living in little houses on the property so we started sending texts and stuff oh yeah they were sending pictures like uh vaginas to each other slipper vaginas i don't know what that means but vagina pictures you know and degrading women

10:45Ben Mandelker: 24 7 okay and he's like okay who on this stage is still in the boys chat is it just just jackson jesse and is it true that kenny from love island season six is in the boys

10:57Ronnie Karam: ah that turned out to be horrible i never saw i would like to think of myself as a pretty good judge of character i never saw that coming from kenny did you i did not i always thought like

11:11Ben Mandelker: Like there was, it was an odd duo, the two of them. You know, he's always showing up in khakis. And I thought like, really? Like I just didn't think that like a guy in khakis all the time was going to be like up for like flashy social media. I wouldn't even think he would be on Love Island. And then it turns out there's a reason why. I don't know. You can wear khakis and not be like a racist and all the things that Aint Cloud Chaser like Kenny is.

11:41Ronnie Karam: I'm just saying that like, yeah, well, for those of you who don't know, this is a couple, like one of the favorites from last two seasons ago of Love Island that are now on this Love Island, you know, be on the Villa show. And apparently she went through his phone and found all these texts where he's like, I don't even like black women. And it was calling all these names and yeah, like horrible. Allegedly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I just, I just see what I see on the internet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying. But yeah, it's. Yeah.

12:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So he turned out to be a real piece of garbage. Yeah, he turned out to be a piece of shit. I thought it was so nice. He talks like this. He cried.

12:19Ronnie Karam: You know, usually I believe the criers. I'm so proud of you. Yeah. Yeah, I failed on that one for sure. So anyway, Danny, Zach used to be on it, but he left. He's like, I literally got out because of what they were saying. And also because of vaginas. And also because of vaginas. They were terrifying. It was a terrifying chat.

12:43Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Jack is like, one vagina and Jack is out. Sandy's like, okay, so it's really just Jesse. Like, it's only Jesse and you were in the boys chat right now. And Danny, you're not in it.

12:55Ronnie Karam: I used to look at it when I was with Jax. Jax would show me everything. Jax would show me everything, which is hilarious because Danny got kicked out for showing people. And Jax was doing it the whole time. He'd show me Jesse's messages. And he would talk about how horrible Jesse was and all this. Like he did not like Jesse, I don't think. And like, not at all. Like not even a little bit. Colton short, you know, all sorts of the dead eyes, you know, sort of shriveled up little tiny people. You know, you're showing all these naked girls and everything. Just a lot of dirty, dirty, nasty things in there.

13:22Ronnie Karam: And Jax is like, locker room talk. Locker room talk. Works for Trump. Works for Trump. Yeah.

13:27Ben Mandelker: So locker room talk. Look, look, boys will be boys. We can say all these things to just locker room talk. It's because we're not saying it publicly. We're not saying it to their faces. We're just saying it privately and perpetuating our ideas.

13:39Ronnie Karam: Boys chats are disgusting. I mean, I have a boys chat with my gay friends and it's disgusting. You know, we don't demean women in it. We demean other men, but you know, I can only imagine what straight guys chat is like. Ooh.

13:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Um, it's like, uh, well, I just, I don't know. Like I'm sort of like, I have a weird feeling like when Brittany was like, yeah, I used to watch it. Jack's used to show me. I would see all these things. and like i on the one hand i understand you know you're gonna protect your husband because it's your husband but there's also an element of like i don't know i kind of feel like as soon as this marriage was falling apart she should have been like okay i'm not gonna protect him anymore and this is what he's been saying and this is what all these guys have been saying i don't know there was there's something like there was this i got the sense that britney was still protecting the guys and because she was seeing all this stuff and she said nothing we didn't have any indication until right now she's like oh yeah I saw this and I saw that and I saw that I was like you're really going to keep protecting these guys I mean I'm sure there's more to the story than that but I had a weird reaction to it

14:45Ronnie Karam: I mean I think that when you have a husband who's in a boys chat you're just like it's boys chat I mean what are you going to do they're disgusting I think a lot of people are just like wow they're boys that's just what boys do they have a boys chat

14:58Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I guess when we watch these shows, we expect more purity. You're like, well, why didn't she take a stance?

15:04Ronnie Karam: No, I don't expect more purity from Britney. My God.

15:09Ben Mandelker: So, all right, Danny, you broke the number one rule of boys chat, which is don't speak about the boys chat to the wrong person, I should add. Why did you tell Luke that Jesse and Michelle, but Jesse said Michelle is sleeping with a billionaire for$1 ,500 a night. Dan's like yeah hand to God one hand to God oh by the way God I am so sorry I did not remember that I put my hand on you like that I am so sorry it will not happen again okay hand near God I should say I obviously had my mic on and we were talking and like and I just like having a conversation about Jesse and Michelle and I was just I thought we were wrapped for the day I didn't know I didn't know are still being filmed.

15:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's like, I didn't know there was a camera right behind me. That's literally why I'm whispering. No, that's not how it happened. Sorry, but the camera was not behind you. Didn't we see him full on? There were cameras surrounding you, sir. It was not like some hidden camera footage. Liar. So you did that on purpose because you brought it up to Luke on camera. And then, yeah, no, he did not think you were right. So Danny's like lying. And Janet just mumbles. She's like, we all know how cameras work. He's an actor. Well, he's a voice actor. Well, he is also an actor. I guess, does he actually play the zombies or do the voiceover for zombies?

16:30Ben Mandelker: He was on the OC. He was, he had, he had a role on the OC once. So he knows how cameras work. He's also shot a reality show for an entire season. Yeah.

16:39Ronnie Karam: I just thought that was nice of Janet to say, because I never thought she would give him credit. Like he's an actor. Oh yeah.

16:46Ben Mandelker: Let's elevate his career that way. Yes.

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20:08Ronnie Karam: he's like jesse did you really believe it and he goes oh the second i said it the second i sent it i regretted it even though i've said it 20 more times during the season and probably said it

20:19Ben Mandelker: multiple times in that chat you did not regret it whatsoever you regretted it as much as danny didn't realize there was a camera on him so uh michelle you told the girls that jesse spent all your money and is broke tell us more and jesse's like well i mean i seem to be living fine right now she's like oh yeah who is paying your rent who's paying daddy's bills ah and uh he goes well

20:47Ronnie Karam: i am and you know i've been paying my rent and i have been since you moved out and she goes and who is lending you money to pay your rent and he just like looks defeated he's like he just rolls his I was like, great. Thanks a lot for bringing up the gay guy again. Yeah.

21:02Ben Mandelker: Well, you talked to the Zen party that you were overwhelmed financially. It's okay to admit it. He's like, well, it's double the expenses with half the income. And we sat down in the living room and talked about her moving out. And we had actually talked about the two of us finding a new place together. By the way, why is it double the expenses? It should be the same amount of expenses with half the income. So she's like, whatever happened was you said I had to leave the house and you were never going to leave because it was your house. And even though we both pay rent in the house and you said, I am not leaving over my dead body and you sleep downstairs and it was unbearable.

21:38Ben Mandelker: So I finally found a place. I bought new furniture. I paid two rents and that is what happened.

21:45Ronnie Karam: So she's paying two rents, I guess, because she's still on the lease. That's probably. And that's such that's such the man that man thing to do on this show, too, because that's just what Jax did. That's exactly what Jax did. So shitty. And also, why don't you just break the lease and move? I mean, get the fuck out of there. And it's been over a year anyway, right? Maybe there's a two-year lease. I don't know. But they've been living there since the beginning of the show. I don't know. This is all like struggling. It's also struggling to keep the lifestyle that you can no longer afford. But also, it's...

22:21Ronnie Karam: What was I going to say about stupid Jesse in this apartment? Never mind. There's too much rage going on in this show. It's making me tired. I'm like, oh, God, is there anything fun in this show? Oh, it's also him trying to manipulate her into just staying, right? He's like, well, you can stay downstairs or you're stuck paying your rent anyway. So let's see what you do, thinking that she's going to be too poor to go get a place and pay rent there. But she did anyway. So good for her.

22:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Andy asks, Andy's like, so Michelle said that you got douchier over the course of your marriage. The more money you got, the more douchey you got. Did the money make you douchey?

23:01Ronnie Karam: He goes, yeah, well, I think I was pretty douchey when I was at the caddy at the golf course making$150 a loop. So listen, I could be douchey at any income level, Andy. That's the thing about me.

23:15Ben Mandelker: Janet goes, he used to have a tongue ring, so I think he's always been a bit of a douche. But he goes, I had a tongue ring, too. don't just don't dive in let let jesse be the tongue ring douche britney don't you don't have to dive in i started laughing fucking britney of course he did so andy's like okay we're back uh

23:35Ronnie Karam: you know we started the season with the shock of jacks checking him to himself into a mental health facility treatment whatever so i want to start at the beginning what led up to that are you going to blame lisa vanderpump because it seems to be a very popular thing to do right now Brittany, just days before filming started, you and Jax were separated, but talking about getting back together, and then you had a fight, and then text messages, and blah, blah, blah, and Julian, and blah, blah, Julian, Julian. Let's talk about Julian. So Jax is like, Julian and I were friends. We were hanging out all the time.

24:09Ronnie Karam: It was basically my best friend. He was like my brother. Like, I love Julian. Like, Julie, Julie, Julie. You see Julian everywhere. It's like always on my arm. Like, he's my best, best friend. Like, he's my best friend.

24:19Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, so how long after your separation did you start seeing Julian? Oh, I'm probably like a little something like that. It's like quicker than that. No one one quick girl. All right. Well, Jack's no, no, I didn't say Julian that quick. So Andy's like, Jack's where were the rules that you and Brittany established about dating inside your friends at your friend group?

24:43Ronnie Karam: Honestly, we didn't like have a rule on the front thing. It's just like you automatically assume, you know, like I think it was like a little suited than about i mean i don't know i don't know like it was just it was hurtful it was hurtful and it was hurtful and it went against what i said too you know i had someone at the house too she goes multiple people multiple people you had one person with the boobs of 10 people

25:02Ben Mandelker: show her picture show her picture just boobs fill the screen the giant boobs okay i'm not trying to start a war here how just you know just that's what it was hurtful to me and this is just what made me spiral that's that's all so extremely aggressive so now she talks about how he threw the coffee table it landed on her knee her knee turned black he threw both bar stools he threw her stanley cup and broke it uh he threw her phone and broke it he threw her laptop and broke it and then she says he threw me into the rose bushes i didn't know about the rose bushes part i mean now we've been keep on saying you know we've been saying obviously it's always felt it always has been domestic domestic abuse but we didn't actually know he had literally put his hands on her and done something but now she's saying he's thrown her into a rose bush and he doesn't

25:55Ronnie Karam: even really deny it yeah actually he says i did not throw you into the rose bushes and she goes yeah you did you know we my close friends have seen videos from the ring came from the ring came We nearly threw a coffee table at her and made her knee turn black. So it's always been that. There's never been a question on this. No, I know.

26:13Ben Mandelker: But like, it's never been, you know, it's never been a question about that. I'm just saying now it's like another element in it is that he's actually physically touched her. Jesus. And thrown her. And everyone has seen it. Everyone's like nodding. And he does. I don't know why I said he doesn't even deny it when he literally says, I never did that. Right next. But everyone's like nodding. Like, we've all seen it. and like it's also the balls on him that he's going to deny it when he knows it's true everyone knows it's true and everyone has been protecting him because everyone anyone could have said this at any time on the show or in the press and they haven't probably out of courtesy to him which i don't know why they had that and yet despite despite that courtesy he still wants to deny it

26:55Ronnie Karam: no yeah so um britney's like uh you know everyone's seen the videos jacks and so the question is how long did she date julian and she's like i didn't date him we were just hooking up and another thing you know like whatever maybe it was weird that i hooked up with someone that was around my friend group but my confidence was at an all-time low i mean this man degraded me he put me down he body shamed me constantly he hit the ranch dressing okay julian gave me attention and i needed that jack stole my sparkle you stole my fucking sparkle i literally lost my sparkle and jacks just rolls his eyes it's like enough with the sparkle sparkle everyone that's just what i want to say

27:37Ben Mandelker: that's how i'm talking about myself sparkle i mean i had your son and you body shamed me for stretch marks okay you body shamed me i never did i never did i'm sorry i was still laughing at sparkle not stretch marks but i just want to go i love my sparkle hey literally called me a tree trunk because I stretched my

27:56Ronnie Karam: because I didn't do that. And they're all like, yes, you did. The one that you love? The one that you're supposed to love? They're all saying, yes, you did. We've seen it in the text messages. You fucking loser. You not only did it verbally, you did it in text. Like, it's evident, sir. And it's like, yeah, you called me a tree trunk. And he's like, no, I didn't. And Janet's like, just apologize. He's like, okay, well, you know, I'm very sorry about this. Like, I'm sorry about all of it. Just everything. Just everything, to be honest you know it's like the last thing i wanted you know everybody's seeing this like everybody's seeing it i can't control it you guys i have anger i can't control it

28:33Ben Mandelker: well more importantly britney on watch what happens live says you're bad at sex let's look at this this is more important so we see that britney gives him like a low low low ranks says sometimes it was like a seven or an eight but usually it was a two or three so um jack's like oh, come on. You know, when you're in a toxic relationship for so long, you know, you just don't have the interest anymore. Like, you brought the toxicity, wasn't her? Well, of course she had some of it, but like, you were pretty much the toxic waste in this situation.

29:04Ronnie Karam: Yeah, well, you didn't touch me for years. He did not make me feel good about myself. He put me down. He barely had sex with me for the past three years. I mean, why would I be like, yeah, he's great in being. Yeah, he's great. I just love having sex with no sparkles. And so, Jack, he's like, yeah, you know, I pushed her away. I did everything in my power to get me to leave me. She just wouldn't. I caused so much pain and so much drama. All the alcohol, the drugs, that was just the icing on the cake. I think you'll agree with me. When I started to get bad, it was when I lost my job at Vanderpump.

29:33Ronnie Karam: Because not only that happened, COVID happened. And then my wife's pregnant. And I'm freaking out financially. Like, what am I going to do? How am I going to handle this? And then Brittany, and she goes, yeah, he started turning on me. Because I was the one making money instead of him. And instead of being happy for me, he held it over my head and he held it against me.

29:50Ben Mandelker: Well, shouldn't you have been happy that she was bringing in the money? He's like, yeah, but like as a man, you just want to be able to support your family so that you can hold over their heads when you cheat on them, you know? And Brittany's like, well, we weren't in competition. We were a team, okay? And I loved him so much. And I was trying to make our marriage for years. And I was trying to make it work. And then I brushed it off. And I forgave him every single time. I'm not gonna apologize. And I promise that he promised that you change. He promised he'd get better. He promised to bring my sparkle back.

30:19Ben Mandelker: And I really believed him because I loved him so much. Like you can never deny that I tried everything I possibly could to make this relationship work. And you treat me worse than anyone ever else anyone would.

30:29Ronnie Karam: So didn't she say somewhere in here, like he got jealous of her making the money and he tried to call a lawyer on her, like to get some of them. Like I could have sworn she said something like that. I don't have it in my notes, but they asked, Andy asked about an agreement about co-parenting and she has full custody. And when the divorce is final, she'll give him every Wednesday and every other weekend. And then like, if I need to get my nails done or something like that, you know, like he just has to pass the drug test. And Jackson's like, yeah, I agree. I agree. So has Cruz been to the condo?

31:01Ronnie Karam: And yes, he gets to see Cruz now. And it took some time, which I totally understand. Totally understand. You know, like, like, I don't want to approve our said like Brittany knows that. I don't want to uproot our son. And they all start laughing because she's like, yeah, because I had to be the one to take our autistic son and move into an Airbnb because you wouldn't move out of the house knowing that he needs stability. I mean, this guy, this is just like we know all this, but it's just so painful to watch him sit up there and try and be the victim over and over. And everyone knows I just want stability for my baby.

31:36Ronnie Karam: You kick them out of the house.

31:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah. and she's like yeah you made you know like you you you didn't pay that you kicked us out and then you didn't pay the mortgage for seven months because yeah well not on the mortgage I didn't pay my car no I didn't pay anything he says it as if it's like oh so this it makes sense in the context of these things too it's like no that's even worse you're totally irresponsible you're an irresponsible person and you definitely do not should not be in a position of like being a guardian to this child well he's no end in a way that's like yeah I

32:06Ronnie Karam: I didn't pay my car. I didn't pay anything. I just let it all go because I was just done. I was just done with this depression. Surely, America, you understand what I'm going through.

32:18Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, after the explosive fire with Brittany, Jack's made the decision to seek help at a mental health facility called Denny's. Denny's does mental health. Is that true?

32:30Ronnie Karam: He's like, well, you know, I had to. You know, my job was on the line. My son. You didn't give a fuck about your son. And I'm so sick of you bringing up your son over and over again. Like that's your shield. You know, you don't give a fuck about your son. You never have. You fucking make, kick your son out of the house. And now you're going to sit up here and cry. Your son, every day you, I want to see my son. You never tried to see your son when you got out of there. Shut the fuck up about your son. You don't care. Do your son a favor and never go around that kid again. Let the kid pretend that you're fucking dead because that would be better for him.

33:01Ronnie Karam: And then his whole, yeah, my job was on the line. Yeah. you went there because they threatened to fire you unless you went after you abused your wife again

33:09Ben Mandelker: yeah and note that he listed his job first before his son so uh so and he's like and so your job with the show is like yeah i was just in such a bad place i i didn't want to go i didn't think i needed help but thank god because my job and my son those are the two most important things to me especially the job and you know carlos or whatever my son's name is also important to me so once you start taking those, you know, those things away, it's just like, Jesus, you need to go to rehab, you know? And he's like, well, you actually went twice. Like, yeah, I relapsed. Although, does it count as a relapse if you were never quite like unlapsed in the first place?

33:47Ben Mandelker: Isn't it just the first time? I don't know what it is, but they made me go back another time.

33:50Ronnie Karam: I was trying to get the timeline of this because it's been so confusing over the season, you know, like what we've seen and then what's being reported. So from what I've been able to find out this comes from a report on britney talking about it on her podcast apparently he went the first time when the show made him uh which we saw on camera he went to this whatever fluffy duffy outpatient type thing where like he could leave is what i mean uh which is the one we saw on the show and then he was using so he got sent back to he went he went to an actual rehab and then he didn't like that because there were you know they're going to be a lot harder on you in like a real rehab.

34:28Ronnie Karam: So he left that after two days and then he fucked up again and then went back to the floofy-doofy one and then left after 17 days because he couldn't handle that either. So this guy's never made a real fucking effort.

34:40Ben Mandelker: No, he really hasn't. So here he's saying that, like Brittany is saying he was out the first week and she says, the thing with him is the first time he acted like the drugs and the alcohol were not a problem. and he's like, no, drugs and alcohol, I think, are not the big problem. I feel like, you know, you're just masking hurt, like whatever you're going through. Fighting, all the stuff I was doing to Brittany, and I was angry, and I would use drugs and alcohol to take away just for a couple hours, because I'm the one who's the real victim here. I'm like, well, maybe it's all of the above. Maybe it's the drugs and the alcohol and the emotional shit, but he now says he's been sober for 156 days, except for weed, and he's like, do you believe that he's sober?

35:26Ben Mandelker: And, you know, she's like, well, he does a drug test and he passes. And, you know, I've given him I give them to him sporadically. And he's like twice. You only gave me drug test twice. Shouldn't you be happy about that? I know he's like trying to hold her.

35:41Ronnie Karam: Well, that's his also his big thing that he's hinted at a few times. Like, well, you know, I only got like this because Brittany let me. Like, I don't know why she put up with it this long. You know, like I didn't realize how out of control I was. And Brittany just let it happen. And she's like, yeah, I've got a hundred pack of drug tests. so you know i can test him he's like yeah he did it twice she goes well i'll get a call every monday from a guy and you know it's like tom schwartz like hi i'm just um i'm just calling to say um i've got to test back from jackson oh he's just a boy he's 100 just a boy so boys will be boys so jackson's like oh yeah yeah i make sure they call britney to let him know i'm passing you know you know it's very important to me that they call britney and she goes yeah but Who's the person that made it happen?

36:25Ronnie Karam: He goes, okay, well, no one made it happen, but it was just the right thing to do. It was just the right thing to do. She's like, mm-hmm, I made it happen. Oh, by the way, are you on steroids? And he's like, no, I'm not a steroid. She goes, yeah, yeah, really? Because your attitude and your personality, and this is a thing that Stassi had problems with too, right? Like he was losing all, he was having rage fits and all of this shit too, and she went and got rid of all his protein shakes and all this other shit. It's also roiding out. so um she's saying his personality is so crazy and she's like okay so if it's not drugs and it's not steroids and it's not alcohol and it's not this or it's not then why are you still just

37:00Ben Mandelker: as crazy as before are you saying his anger has not improved what so you worked on your anger he's like no i'm i'm trying to work on my anger and i'm still very trying to work on that i'm very trying and he's like but it sounds like she's saying it hasn't changed he's like he's like i I think it's gotten a lot better. I mean, do you agree it's gotten a lot better? She's like, someday's okay. But she's basically like, no, it has not gotten better. So Andy's like, well, I would assume that you would agree that if you were on steroids, it would be detrimental to your anger issues if you thought about this, dum-dum.

37:32Ben Mandelker: And he's like, look, I'm not on anything except steroids and everything I was doing before. Keep testing me. I want you to test me. Hold me accountable in my head. If I ever try to step again, I know you're not going to test me. I want you to test me. he's like getting he's doing the exact same thing that you said where he's still kind of like putting it on someone else to keep him on the straight and narrow instead of himself he's like

37:54Ronnie Karam: yeah please keep me straight please because i don't want to touch drugs and alcohol again because like it's fucked up my life well we know that's a lie because you just said two seconds ago that it's not drugs and alcohol it's anger so we know that this is a prepared bullshit speech that the owner of rocko's gave you to read so please with this yeah and he's like it's just so hard you You know, like, and I know I'm not the victim. She's the victim. She's the victim. You know, not me, but I'm just human. I'm human, you know, and some people think I'm the devil and I get it, but I have feelings too.

38:25Ronnie Karam: Like it's the hardest fucking thing to do in front of God and everyone, the audience. Please. You've taken nothing but joy in being an abusive piece of shit for years now. I do not believe you. I do not believe you. I don't even care if you're sober. I don't care if you get your shit together. To me, it's too little, too late. goodbye. Stay off of my TV. Stay away from me and stay away from anybody who is a decent person. You are a piece of shit. You are irredemptive. I don't care if you get clean. I don't care. It doesn't even matter. You're a terrible person.

38:59Ben Mandelker: Well, you knew you were filming whenever you did these things. Yeah, I knew, but I'm not thinking about that timing. That's why our show is the real shit. Because I put everything out there. Basically, Bravo, you should hire me back. Despite all this, I make great television. I'm sincere.

39:13Ronnie Karam: okay thanks so much i put everything out there you've done nothing but lie since you've come on this show you've never been honest even right now in two minutes you got caught with lies what are you it's not drugs and alcohol it's drugs and alcohol ruined my life i want nothing but for my son to have stability you kick them out of your house like there's too much to even list

39:34Ben Mandelker: with you just shut up yeah wow well that was the first episode we got two more to come there's gonna be a lot of stuff to cover on this piece of shit oh and by the way congratulations to danny

39:45Ronnie Karam: who brought out on the season finale that jacks was fucking his employees over at jacks's bar and grill and then jacks got fired the same week yeah nailed it so good all right everyone thanks for

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