#2957 The Valley S2E17 Part 1: Jaximum Impact

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0:57Ben Mandelker: When there's so much that crappens When there's so much that crappens When there's so much that crappens Who cares what happens When there's so much that crappens

1:08Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens? I'm Ronnie, that's Ben over there. Hello, you little Benoonytoons.

1:15Ben Mandelker: Hi, how's it going? Sa-god.

1:19Ronnie Karam: Everybody, welcome to the show. It's the Valley Reunion part today. We do these on video. You can find those on Crappins On Demand on our Patreon. Also, that's where you get our bonus episodes, which we'll be recording, I don't know, today, tomorrow. Who knows? But it's coming. We also did a Dwell Hello this week, which is a House Hunters recap of the Cougar episode that just aired. Everybody's talking about it. So you can find that on Wondery Plus. And we do Amazon Lives every other week. We'll do that one August 18th at 4 p.m. Pacific time. And also we've got crappy hour coming up Monday, which is on our YouTube channel.

1:58Ronnie Karam: That's at 5.30 p.m. Pacific time. So a lot going on. Check our socials. You know what? Link in bio on the Instagram. Look at the link in bio. What's going on with you today, Ben?

2:11Ben Mandelker: Not much. Just really enjoyed that Valley reunion last night. Still really going strong. That's basically it.

2:19Ronnie Karam: Oh, the stories of a narcissist over and over. like music to my ears i'm sorry okay i'm sorry okay i'm sorry okay i wish someone would just do a super cut of jacks at reunions for what 12 years now just well not 12 because he got fired from vanderpump rules but you know just sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry over and over and still does the same shit ben just pretending just pretending to like own

2:47Ben Mandelker: things. He's like, yeah, no, I do this. I do this. Yeah, it was my bad. I know I need help. I'm a work in progress. I need to, I don't know why I do these things. I got to do them. And he says that every single, every single reunion in a very matter of fact, sort of faux accountable way, it's almost believable. Maybe in the beginning we did believe it, but yeah, same old story from that guy.

3:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Fuck that guy. Uh, so here we are with the Valley reunion bar too. So we open with Andy's, we're back with the Valley Reunion. Oh, by the way, I'm still wearing sunglasses because today I had to get another surgery on my little eye to take out a gigantic bowling ball sized tie. Not to be dramatic, but it was dramatic. Now I look like I really had the shit kicked out of me. So thanks a lot, doctor. Actually, you did a great job, but I hope you did a great job. Who knows? Maybe I have a boob on my eye. I don't know, but that's why. So anyway, sorry for the douche glasses. Okay, we're back with the Valley Reunion.

3:43Ronnie Karam: I'm Maddie Cohen. Jax, I'm exhausted. Also, you've been sober for how long? Jax is not sober. I don't care what anybody says. And I know you're not supposed to say that because the magic words are once somebody says you're sober on Bravo, then everybody's supposed to believe it and go with it. Jax ain't sober. I don't believe that for two seconds. But okay, I'll go along with you because we've got a long road to hoe.

4:05Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, that's also how you would describe Jax's reality TV career.

4:11Ronnie Karam: Not more. that is a dead end hoed road that road has been over hoed Ben

4:19Ben Mandelker: the ho listen one thing about a ho is that it's always there ready to go you know weeds keep growing hoes keep hoeing so Brittany is like yeah I've got a back of a hundred drug tests and I've given them to them sporadically this is what she said last time and then Jack's like twice he says it like accusatory as if I don't know what point he's trying to make. Like, no, she doesn't test me enough. So, and she's like, yeah, he passes and everything. He's like, keep testing me. I want you to test me. I mean, hold me accountable. Cause in my head, if I ever try to slip again, I know that you're gonna test me any time you want.

4:56Ben Mandelker: And I want you to test me. Cause like not only for you, but for me, because I don't want to drug drugs and alcohols again. It like fucked up my life. It fucked up my life.

5:06Ronnie Karam: Really? Cause five minutes ago you said drug and alcohol, drugs and alcohol weren't your problem. It was just anger.

5:11Ben Mandelker: so i do not believe you well that's that's how much it fucked up his life is that it that fooled him into thinking it wasn't his problem he forgot five minutes ago yeah he

5:20Ronnie Karam: forgot by the way uh congratulations on your 156 days of false sobriety 156 days of sobriety no you lie lie so yeah i think he's insinuating it's kind of britney's fault because she doesn't test him enough to keep him accountable and the name of the game is everyone else needs to keep Jack's accountable, except unless it's by telling him stuff he did wrong. He doesn't like that. So, Jack, besides the therapy that you're into, do you have any kind of support for your sobriety? And he's like, yeah, you know, I have a sobriety coach. I have a life coach I really like. You know, I'm doing the AA. The AA.

5:58Ronnie Karam: You know, one more, they'll change my tire for free. Fucking great. No one told me about that. Thanks, Brittany. But, you know, I didn't want to go. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not going to lie to you here because i'm jackson i don't lie right but uh you know i did not want to go to

6:12Ben Mandelker: that i did not want to go to the aa but i did i did hold on let me cry yeah i'm i'm just so grateful that he's doing this um and of course when he says he's going i he just he just means he bought me some batteries you know but i feel grateful for that and like nobody wants him to clean be clean more than me you know for her son and because i have to deal with him for the rest of my life he's like well here's the thing all that matters is our little boy whatever his name is and i want to be a good father that's it i just i want to be there for you no matter what you can call me anytime you can tell me and when our son is finally born i cannot wait to hold him in my arms jay

6:50Ronnie Karam: is three years old and by the way speaking of double a's i asked for double a's you got me

6:55Ben Mandelker: quadruple d's listen i got i got you know i've got my i got so many coaches right now i got double d coaches. I got a coach bag. I got a coach ticket. I've got reruns of that show. Coach, love that show.

7:08Ronnie Karam: He just keeps buying her everything bigger than she wanted.

7:13Ben Mandelker: That is not fit in the carry-on section.

7:18Ronnie Karam: So, you know, he does the whole oh, I'll just do it all for my son. Give me a fucking break. You're moving. I can't list the shit Jax has done wrong to his son again, but nobody believes you. And also you moved into a four-story condo with a fucking tiny child with his bedroom probably on the fourth floor okay yeah so he's like uh yeah my son i do it all for the boys i'm just like well you know i don't trust you because you say things and then you fight with me every day and then you try and flip it and act like i was the one that did something wrong and he's like you're right you're right you know what you're right i start these fights because you know there's days where i'm like you know we should get divorced you know so we're toxic so that's why i start fights you know but But then there's days where we're like, we'll get along.

8:00Ronnie Karam: And I'm like, I could still fuck her. Like there was no one at the A &P this morning. So, and then I'll text her, you know? So it's my fault. It's my fault. But you know what? I do it for my son.

8:10Ben Mandelker: You know how hard that is on me, okay? You know? You know how much that messes with my mind? He goes, I'm confused. What can I do? I know we're not good together. I know that. But still fucking hard. I'm a human being. I had 10 years with this woman, okay? It's not fun to cheat when you don't have no one to cheat on, you know? So Brittany's like, well, you're just saying this, okay? Because somebody's got me.

8:31Ronnie Karam: I'm just kind of a guy who fucks a lot of random people, you know? I mean, there's no title in that.

8:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you know, like, what happens to the cows who can't come home to dinner? What if the dinner divorces them, okay? It's like hard, man. It's like, well, you're just saying this because simultaneously I'm getting DMs. That's direct messages, by the way, from these girls. They say that you're love bombing. okay you're telling these girls that you want to take a bath with their love is that what love bombing is i don't know but you know what then you say that you want them to move in with you how could you do that to your ex oh my god and zaka's sitting over there making his like

9:11Ronnie Karam: looks when jacks is like i've been there i've been here 10 years with this woman he goes that you threw away that you threw away you threw it away uh so he's like you know i don't know how to handle this i just what am i supposed to do how am i supposed to handle it how am i supposed to and she's like yeah you're trying to hurt me with all these girls and you know i don't deserve to have to read this stuff it hurts me it hurts me jack well call zuckerberg you know no one's making you read every dm you get but still yeah anti anti jacks but still she's like i shouldn't have to read dms well now now we're just mad at the internet well let's hear from let's hear from

9:48Ben Mandelker: Jason who we will later find out was so massively disgusted by what Danny did so clearly he will hold Jax the same standard well I will say though that the fact that Jax has been abusing cocaine for like 20 years it's gonna take a while for the depression things to stabilize so Brittany I think you should just sort of suck it up and you know be a good wife to him well you know he's a dry drunk okay guess what he's dry drunk okay he is like that type of shampoo that's powder he's like that I just don't like this personality. I mean, the therapist literally said to us that we could treat depression, we could treat bipolar, but we could never treat narcissism.

10:23Ben Mandelker: And Andy's like, oh, well, Jax, Brittany says that you have said over the years that, you know, I gave you all this. This is all because of me. Chances are, like, she would be living in Kentucky married like a local doctor. Jax, what do you say about that?

10:40Ronnie Karam: I'm sorry. I can't go on. I need to stop for a minute. Jason, fuck off. Like, seriously, Jason, with his, oh, yeah, Jax, poor Jax. He's been abusing cocaine for like 20 plus years. I mean, what did the guy take a secret shot in the closet on a trip? No, why are we excoriating the poor guy? Poor cocaine addict, Jax. Can we just give Jax a break? Dockers, go fuck yourself. I cannot believe anybody has ever liked this fucking guy. Fuck you, Jason. Okay, so, thank you. So Andy's like, yeah, so you think she'd be married to like a doctor? And Jax is like, probably a basketball player. And Jax is like, yeah, I don't, you know, I was never her type, ever.

11:24Ronnie Karam: I was never her type. I don't even know why I dated her. And I think Jax is saying that she only dates black guys when it's not Jax, which, of course, you know, leave it to Jax to, you know, bring a tinge of racism into everything at the reunion because he's not in enough shit. and Brittany's like I was with you for 10 years I don't know what you're talking about like everyone knows that I loved you and he's like the dms I was getting from her friends back in Kentucky I mean let me tell you you want to talk about dms what about the dms I got for people in

11:54Ben Mandelker: Kentucky Jax I was with you for 10 years he's like well it was just hurtful to hear it was hurtful so hurtful you know it's also hurtful when your husband sends you rage checks incessantly and then then acts like he wants to get back together with you. And then when you fall for it, he sends you more rage texts. I think that's a little bit more hurtful.

12:14Ronnie Karam: And she's on you and abuses you and throws furniture at you and punches holes in the wall while your kids is what your kids around and turn your turns your knees black and goes in, stops paying the mortgage after kicking her out of the house with their autistic son. Please. You're heard about the fucking Kentucky DMs. A, I'm impressed that Britney's friends in Kentucky can use a DM because I saw her spinoff. so cheers to them i never thought you had it in you all right am i assuming this is all voice to text um second shut up jacks so jacks is like and he's like what are those what are the people in

12:54Ben Mandelker: kentucky say were there any dick pics would you like to show me well i mean they just were saying that she would never date somebody like that like that she wanted to be on reality tv and Like I'm not even his type. So what he's really saying is Yeah, she used him. She's like JX Okay, cuz it's your fans in the comments. Okay, you're listen You doesn't count when you DM yourself under your Frank Drabbit username, okay? And then you're DMs and guess what we proved that it wasn't even that girl that worked at Hooters Okay, cuz so why you bring that up whenever you know it's a lie? Okay? Cuz I'm I guess he's trying here to make me look a certain way and that's not true JX I'm not trying to make you look a certain way.

13:31Ben Mandelker: I just wanna say the truth JX

13:33Ronnie Karam: and he's like okay so wait let me get this straight so jacks went into his dms and got a girl who was cosplaying as a hooters girl who worked with britney and said she's just some slut that's using jacks okay okay so you're first of all i love that who is that is she in the audience please dm us because that's amazing i love that someone just cosplayed that i worked with britney and let me tell you, she's been using you this whole time. She told me at the ramp station at the Hooters, watch out, beware. You got a beware DM from a fake Hooters girl. I mean, you can't make this shit up.

14:12Ben Mandelker: She would have left Jax a long time ago if she was using Jax. As soon as she saw a good opportunity to leave, which would have been season six after he cheated on her one of the times, she would have left then if she was using him. I'm pretty sure she was not using Jax.

14:29Ronnie Karam: I'm pretty sure that there was probably, well, I'm not pretty sure. I'm just saying I'm pretty sure because you did. But I'm trying to be conversational.

14:36Ben Mandelker: I'm pretty sure you're saying I'm pretty sure because I said I'm pretty sure.

14:38Ronnie Karam: I'm sure of nothing, really. But I think that probably she was using him a bit. I mean, look, you meet this loser in Vegas and you don't move to L.A. because of Jax, because he's Jax. All he had going for him was that he was on a TV show. Then again, is that really using somebody? I mean, when you're dating somebody, you look at all their positives and their negatives. One of the positives was he was on TV and she wanted to be on TV. So why not? Why is that worse than like he had a good job as a, you know, I was going to say a lawyer, but that's really pushing it in this example. Like, you know, very, I don't know, very high up in the world, you know, garbage man.

15:18Ronnie Karam: And, you know, you think that that's a good living for you and that can support you. What's the difference? Like, so what? She met this guy. All he had to offer was being on TV. no one's fucking jacks for any other reason yeah i that's that's what i would have to say i think

15:32Ben Mandelker: it's okay i think it's okay to meet someone who's on tv and be like starstruck and start to like and they're handsome and you see a fantasy where you think like oh my god like i might date this guy who's on tv and maybe i'll even be on tv and i don't think that's like i guess technically that could be considered using someone but i think it's okay to sort of have like a fairy tale moment and And unfortunately, you don't realize that you are latching yourself on to like the monster in the swamp and not Prince Charming. But hey, you know, not all fairy tales can be good.

16:01Ronnie Karam: But if you guys aren't allowed to fuck each other to be on TV, we wouldn't have half of the Vanderpump Rules universe. I mean, that's how most of these people got cast. You know, we can go down the list. James, Jenna is the newer one. Well, she's trying. Jenna's trying. Janet didn't fuck anybody. You know, she cosplayed as a Sheena friend for years to do it.

16:22Ben Mandelker: I mean, don't forget that Stassi was like on The Amazing Race long before Vanderpump Rules ever came around. Everyone is a whore for TV. I'm a whore for TV.

16:33Ronnie Karam: Sheena literally started Vanderpump Rules. She had the first scene in Vanderpump Rules because she was sleeping with somebody's husband. Some famous person's husband, you know, or no, some person's famous husband, I guess I should say.

16:46Ben Mandelker: Lisa Vanderpump. I mean, she was in a music video for Poison Arrow. I was shoot that poison arrow in my heart. Remember? So everyone whores themselves out to become famous. Everyone does it. What's the point we're trying to make, by the way?

17:00Ronnie Karam: The point was that people sleep with each other to get on Vanderpump Rules and just spin-offs all the time. So, you know, it's like, what are you going to get me out of somebody for going to an audition? I mean, what kind of LA people are these?

17:15Ben Mandelker: Well, Jax is saying that you start to get in your head about things because you're God forbid this snowflake gets a DM from a random person in Kentucky and his world falls apart. Meanwhile, he's complaining about people getting it like how you get into your head sometimes. You know, it'll also get you in your head when your own husband tells you you're fat and worthless and stupid and then cheats on you. That'll get into your head, too. I think that's probably a situation he may want to look into. So Brittany is like, you know, you guys.

17:41Ronnie Karam: Something no one is ever going to accuse Jax of is something getting into his head.

17:47Ben Mandelker: And there's so much room. That's the pity. I mean, getting so many ways in so many wide passages in now, there's so much room in there. And just yet nothing has really did the he basically did. You know how like Boston has the big dig where they just built a giant tunnel like under the city. That's what he did with his nose. So like everything can get into that brain. But for some reason, it's just it won't go in. It's like getting a cat to play with a scratching post. You know, it's just the cat wants the couch.

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20:39Ben Mandelker: Oh, um, Jax is saying, yeah, you get into your heads, and Brittany's like, You were the one who came up to me at the bar! I did not chase you in Vegas, okay? I did not DM you! I did nothing! You came up to me!

20:52Ronnie Karam: This is new info, by the way, Ben, because for years the rumors are that Brittany heard that Jax and the gang were going to be in Vegas, and her mom was like, you better get to Vegas and get you on TV. And then Brit went up and then started flirting with Jax and did all this to like, you know, warm her way onto TV. So this is actually fairly big news, I think, for anybody who follows, you know, like Reddit gossip, like me. Excited. Yeah, it's actually not true. I mean, she was in Vegas and Jax was the one who came up to her. So there you go. There's like, that's like the end of Lost. You know, we were all wondering the truth and now we got it.

21:28Ben Mandelker: We all got it. And then Andy Cotland is like, okay, I need to ask a question that's going to bring everyone together. Are you guys upset that Hooters is going out of business? Especially Jax. Everyone, but especially Jax. Brittany's like, yeah, yes. And Jax is like, yes, of course. It's like saying, isn't it terrible that there was an assassination somewhere? Well, of course. No one likes assassinations.

21:54Ronnie Karam: Everybody's all upset. And Jax is like, they're not going out of business. They're just restructuring. and Brittany goes, I wish I could buy one, honestly. I wish I could. Brittany, I think you've invested in enough dead-end streets. You know? Leave it up to Brittany to, like, want to throw her entire life into something that's failing. Like, have we learned nothing? Look outside your window, Brittany. It's an antivan. Get in. I've got a fly swatter in my hand, and I'm ready to teach. Come on. Swat you on your little butt until you start learning some lessons. Hooters? Come on, Brittany.

22:29Ben Mandelker: Let her have her pop-up moment. Hooters by Britney. The Hooters experience by Britney. She's going to be like, you know what?

22:37Ronnie Karam: I wish I could buy Joanne Fabrics.

22:39Ben Mandelker: No. Joanne Fabrics is the head and dying. Now, wait a second. Ronnie? Now, let's, okay. Is Joanne back? I told you Joanne wouldn't. No, I'm just telling you, like, why do you have to bring it there? Why do you have to mention that? Like, we're having fun. We're punching down on Britney and Jax. Maybe even some Hooters. And then you're going to like just add joanne fabrics into the mix like we're some of us are still mourning okay this is

23:04Ronnie Karam: fresh because joanne fabrics has been dying for like 20 years they've been having going out of business sales for 20 fucking years and that store still it's like britney would pass that and think wow that's a good there's a good next chapter for me britney britney so this whole thing

23:22Ben Mandelker: is so messy i would not be surprised if she has some midlife crisis cuts her hair short and then goes on some spiritual quest to find Joanne. She's like, I've had enough. She may be going out of business, but she's not going out of my life. Where's Joanne? I'm going to find her, damn it. I'm going to find Joanne.

23:40Ronnie Karam: Joanne's been to Paradise, but has she ever been to me? Has she?

23:45Ben Mandelker: Well, I got to Banigans, and I was like, well, I found Banigans, so I thought that was good enough, so I stopped trying to look for Joanne. I'm happy now.

23:54Ronnie Karam: Brittany has made so many bad decisions over the past decade, I hope her midlife crisis is just making a good decision for once, you know? Because usually it's the other way around. It's like you finally start getting sloppy at your midlife crisis. I hope Brittany's like, you know what? I'm going to school and I'm going to a relationship coach. Yeah.

24:14Ben Mandelker: I would like her to do some sort of continuing education. And a stylist.

24:22Ben Mandelker: A stylist would actually be even more impressive. I think she needs to like sit down in front of Law Roach. I'm enrolling in community college. What'd you say? She needs to sit down in front of Law Roach and get some assistance.

24:34Ronnie Karam: I still haven't watched that. The Project Runway. It was terrible. You're discussing with yourself. It was. You said it's terrible. But then, so my friend last night was like, oh, it's so good. You should watch it.

24:45Ben Mandelker: Well, we are all allowed to have a difference of opinions because gays are not monolith. Neither are gays and gals. Neither is anyone. Well, you know what? Fine. fine but i didn't like it no i thought it was i thought they like destroyed it i mean i'm gonna watch the whole thing because it's still like the core is still there and so at core it's still good but they made it so stupid they just destroyed all the good parts nina is still there i mean they just they just tried to be they just tried to be really funny and really reality showy and they like the first challenge was like in the lobby of a building and it's just they took away like all the cool elements it's very much like a food network show now it's like very disappointing

25:22Ronnie Karam: elements they didn't take away nina that's all i really need you know i love your buttons i love your seams i love your shoulder pads she yeah they also like don't show the eliminations anymore

25:38Ben Mandelker: you have to wait a week which i think is really so stupid annoying and then their big thing they're like because it's now on freeform they now have the judges sitting on the other side of the runway guys it's a whole new project runway we've changed everything they refreshed it I don't like the changes they made the changes were really bad I think they're like really really bad I was watching it like what the hell why'd they do this to the show it was so unnecessary well

26:09Ronnie Karam: that sucks but I'll still try I'll still try it except I saw that it was a two episode premiere and I already got tired I was gonna watch it last night and I was like, I'm exhausted. I'm watching Avatar instead. And then I watched Avatar and I was like, why do I want to have a nine foot tall thin blue body with a tail now? I'm turning this off. It's influencing me badly. I was like, can I get that surgery? Because they're kind of hot. I love their eyes.

26:37Ben Mandelker: Oh, so you're talking about Avatar the blue people not Avatar the last airbender. No, I haven't seen it. No, that's very Love Island though, huh?

26:44Ronnie Karam: I love it. I love Avatar the last airbender.

26:47Ben Mandelker: oh that's right that is very very nick very nick and sierra anyway um so uh jacks so and he's like jesse you lived with jacks a long time ago when you were both modeling was he doing drugs back then this is a trick question of course he was it's part of being a model isn't it and jesse's like oh for sure and uh jesse's like how do you think i got this hair done jack sniffed off snorted all my hair off in the middle of my head so now i just have this dentier okay cool so is that when you started jackson when you were when you were modeling he's like yeah i think it was when i was in miami probably like a one or so and jenna's like i was in seventh grade exactly like i was 14 uh this is the part of the uh episode where i just

27:36Ronnie Karam: started getting mad because everyone on this show is such a fucking hypocrite like is jackson mess Jesse, you weren't doing drugs as a model with Jax. I'm so sure. Janet, all of you, all of you are fucking cokeheads. Brittany and Jasmine during that dinner in Santa Barbara or wherever they are were totally coked out of their mind. I mean, they all are all the time. So this is the part where it's like, I guess Jax has been caught, so we get to talk about his. But I'm impressed that Jax didn't out everybody on this show. Because I feel like at least 90 % of these people are cokeheads. the only ones really I'm excluding are Nia and her baby and Luke because I feel like Luke wouldn't pay for that Luke is like I'm not paying for coke I will snort some I will get a paper bag and some spray paint I'm going to Kim Richards route here

28:25Ben Mandelker: but note that this does not exonerate Jill who we know is the biggest big coke head huge coke head alright well when you were on Vanderbump Rules there was speculation from viewers, Jack, that you were on Coke? He's like, yeah, I mean, my eyes were bulging out of my head, you know? And so were you doing Coke at the filming? He's like, yeah, yeah, I was. And like the most obvious question. And he's like, when you watch yourself back, what did you think? Um, I thought there's a handsome guy. There's a handsome guy who was duped by a woman who was just using him to get onto TV. Poor guy, poor guy driven to drugs by this woman.

29:04Ben Mandelker: And you're just so disgusted with yourself, especially because you see yourself, You're sweating because you're in love with this woman so much that you start to sweat. It's just gross. So gross and sad.

29:13Ronnie Karam: And Brittany calls him out because she's like, you might feel that now, but you've always loved yourself. Because, Jax, you have a picture of yourself raged out on coke in the Abby Warhol style hanging in your home. What are you talking about? You're so disgusted seeing yourself on TV. You're literally taking the most iconic images of you, coke rage, and making them huge and hanging them in your home with your son. So please stop with this. Like, oh, I'm just so disgusted with myself. And Kristen's like, number one guy in the group. Right. So Andy's like, yeah, you know, such a bad look. And Jax at one point says something like, yeah, yeah, you know, like production did know.

29:56Ronnie Karam: like production didn't know but you know like i was i was doing it production knew i mean there's shots of you guys out of town with you hiding coke from the table you're mic'd up yeah they hear you they hear you trying to exonerate production yeah i would go to dinner with him and he would leave

30:15Ben Mandelker: me like every 10 minutes alone at the table and they're like wow and jack's like i liked it you know i fucking love drugs and alcohol i fucking love doing cocaine it's like we know we know all right well britney jacks what this morning what yeah this morning hey so uh britney jacks told you from the facility that he had been diagnosed as bipolar and you said that's not the first time he'd received that diagnosis she's like yeah i'll tell him me and his sister were begging to go to the doctor before we even started filming the show because they told him he was bipolar and he never even got the prescription filled so he already was bipolar and he's acting like he went he like he really sort of presented to america that he went to rehab to help himself and he got this diagnosis and now he's going to sort of like start putting himself together when he'd already received this diagnosis and was still not trying to do anything and then we find that

31:10Ronnie Karam: he's not even really taking his meds when that happened on the show i remember being like oh watch jacks he's about to use this bipolar let's watch how jacks uses this bipolar diagnosis to get pity or whatever and i got in kind of trouble with with a few people uh in the dms which i'm still traumatized by i had written dm and uh basically yelling at me for being um insensitive about mental health and i'm like no it's not being insensitive about mental health it's being insensitive about jacks it's knowing that a person like this is going to use whatever they can to get out of whatever they can and sure enough it was bullshit he had been diagnosed way before so vindication for those three people on my dms person who probably claims to work at

31:56Ben Mandelker: so britney's like so that's what you'll do jacks you'll start fighting with me and the reason because you because he didn't take his bipolar medication that day it doesn't work like that and zach is like that's not how medicine works and britney's like so why did you tell me you haven't taken your medication and that's why you're acting that way he's like well obviously I still have some problems to work out and I'm still angry you know maybe I'm a work in progress should I say that now and I just feel like I don't have control I lose it because control to me is a very big thing and like rage texting and looking at cameras that's a form of control for me I love god my favorite romcom in all the worlds is Sliver I love looking at cameras

32:37Ronnie Karam: I love that control do you know how creepy it is that you were watching on cameras By the way, could you tilt that one a little more? Can I get the bathroom cameras in the dressing room to my ear feed? Thanks. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, answer. And Brittany's like, oh, yeah, yeah. He was telling me what I was wearing. He was telling me what I was wearing. And trust me, it's much uglier when it's described.

33:01Ben Mandelker: You know what, Jax? Go to the therapist and say, give me the tools that will help me. Every time I get to this point, give me like three things I can do to stop myself out of it. So, for instance, my therapist says I can put on some patchouli oil. The second thing I can do is listen to Landslide by Stevie Nicks. And the third thing is sort of wrap my head in a pashmina. It works every time. Caw-caw.

33:22Ronnie Karam: Caw-caw. I just, I can't get past the Brittany saying Jax was calling her and telling her what she's wearing. I wonder how Jax was describing that. I wonder how accurate, like, Jax's fashion sense is. Brittany, I see you right now. you're a 90 % rayon halter top with cutouts that aren't quite placed properly in a color that doesn't flatter you. Damn it! He's called me again!

33:49Ben Mandelker: So Kristen is basically like, just call me. Call someone. Call me. Call Luke. Call someone. And he's like, no, you guys hate me. You guys fucking hate me. I hate what you did to her, but I don't hate you.

34:02Ronnie Karam: I fucking hate you. I do. I hate you.

34:09Ben Mandelker: So Brittany is like, it doesn't matter how long you guys have known each other. Me and Kristen are far closer. And Jax said, I understand that. But Kristen, I didn't get to go to your baby shower. And you know how hurtful that was. I've been in your life for 20 fucking years. And I know she's your friend, but I didn't get to go to your baby shower. Jax suddenly cares about going to a baby shower. Look, okay. Of all the things that he said that have been bullshit, Tonight and life for 10 years, this has to be the biggest one. Jack's pretending to cry about not getting invited to a baby shower. I don't think I know anyone who's ever cried about not getting invited to a baby shower.

34:47Ben Mandelker: They are wretched events.

34:55Ronnie Karam: So Kristen's like, well, start treating her better and you'll be invited place. And he goes, yeah, but you know what? Not being invited hurts because I want to be involved with you guys. You know, I miss it. I miss it, guys. So Kristen's like, well, okay, but you got to start somewhere. Just start with that, Jax. Just start with that. And they're all crying. Everybody's like, oh, my God. Look at how vulnerable Jax is being. This cast, you know, I have to remind myself that everybody's trash. You know, like you like people more than others, but it's moments like this where I'm like, it's just varying shades of trash.

35:26Ronnie Karam: Like watching everybody go around the room pretending they're dabbing their eyes as Jax is coming clean. as if he doesn't do this nine times a year, you know? So Jax is like, well, but I'm a sabotager, you know? And I'm a control freak. And it's just like, I just find a way to fuck things up. That's just how I am. It's poor me, guys. Poor me.

35:46Ben Mandelker: Janet's like, well, you don't have to keep on doing it, okay? And she's like, yeah, you have a son now. You have a son now. He's like, I do. That's amazing news. But you know what? You can't just change overnight. I'm trying, man. I'm trying. I mean, narcissistic behavior, manipulation control, these are issues. These are like deep-rooted issues. And I don't know where this came from. I can't change a renown, guys. So I'm just saying I have license to keep being a monster to all of you. Okay? Because I'm going to say I'm going to change.

36:14Ronnie Karam: Yeah, that's exactly right. Well, he just says he's putting all of his behavior under the umbrella of illness of some kind. Like, I'm sick. I can't fix it.

36:24Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I'm sick. I need help. Sorry.

36:26Ronnie Karam: so why are you not giving me props instead of you know tearing me down guys you know what you constantly

36:34Ben Mandelker: say that I've ruined your life and you blame me for having to go to rap and not being able to film and losing jobs and this and that and Jax is like no it's not your fault but I needed someone to blame you understand that and of course I'm going to blame the wife the mother of my child the person who stood by me when no one else would you're the best person to blame you're like that's I mean, that was kind of funny, right? When I blamed you, that was funny. I was laughing. Were you not laughing? You weren't laughing?

36:59Ronnie Karam: So wait, now you see that I did the right thing. Do you think I did the right thing? And he's like, yeah, 100, you know, because if I didn't go to rehab, like, I wouldn't be here right now. I would not be here right now.

37:12Ben Mandelker: I'd probably be at a strip club.

37:16Ronnie Karam: I'd be alive. I'd be alive, yeah. If I didn't go to rehab, I'd be drinking somewhere right now. And Brittany's like, Like that was my biggest fear. I was going to find him in a bathroom somewhere. Truly, honestly, in a bathroom. Not necessarily dead, but probably just pooping and ignoring me while I sat at the table. I was sitting at the table. Do you know how hard it is to sit alone at an Applebee's every 10 minutes? It's horrible. It's horrible.

37:41Ben Mandelker: You're going to buy one of those too? Anyway, in his own way through many reunions where I've sat here with him and confronted him for horrible behavior, He has taken more accountability today than I've heard him take. What do you think about the more fake accountability tonight than in other nights of fake accountability?

38:02Ronnie Karam: So Fanny whipping out some congratulations. Wow, he's really doing it, guys. This is amazing. This is amazing. And Brittany's like, well, you know, it's performative. And I hope it's not performative. But I hope that he's there. Sorry. But I just don't trust him to dance is gonna be right. She takes me screaming at me again I'm going and I'm just so tired. I can't stay here anymore I can't do this like how many times like how many times like I can't stay here say it's just gonna stop today I mean like I'm gonna do my best sure like yeah, sure. Can you look at her?

38:34Ben Mandelker: Can you look at her? Can you seriously?

38:40Ronnie Karam: What am I wearing? You don't even know what I'm wearing and it's cute.

38:45Ben Mandelker: Do you know how hard it is to sit in my house by myself? I can't even go to the bathroom because every time I go to the bathroom, she's like, oh look, we found him in the bathroom. I can't go to the bathroom anymore. I'm wearing diapers in my own house, watching myself on my own cameras, in my own diapers and critiquing myself. What sort of way is this to live?

39:00Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, you know what? I just, I just, I just want to be there for my son. You know, it's all about my son. So like, he's the only person in my family. Like everyone's offering hip powder all the time. Like he poops himself, they're offering hip powder. That's fine, I guess, you know? So what I got with him baby powder still though still though

39:19Ben Mandelker: Do you know I just don't feel like people understand I'm so lonely. I'm in my home alone no responsibilities Hot bitches with giant boobs coming over Tom Schwartz next door my best friend living right next door Do you know how lonely that makes you well? You don't even understand you don't know what lonely is okay? you don't know what it feels like he's like yeah but you get to be around your friends i only get to be around many of my friends and i don't know it's just it's hard

39:49Ronnie Karam: and she's like well i'm the one who's home alone with our child every night and there is a difference okay me and you are different and he's like yeah but i just want to be what i said like i want to and she's like you don't even know what lovely feels like this and so andy's saying uh Yeah, you know what? Like, you're in your control. Oh, sorry. He's like, it's in your control, Jax. I mean, what you're saying is control is a huge issue. But if you want control, you have control. Because the more you take control of your actions, the more your life with everybody around you is going to get better.

40:23Ronnie Karam: It can't be.

40:29Ronnie Karam: if you're not going to come at Jax for physically abusing his wife a little bit more I really don't need your shitty Instagram advice on this section

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43:06Ronnie Karam: Oh, so, um, Brittany's like, yeah, you got a lot of yes men in your life. And, um, Jax, oh, so now's the big question. Jax, are you still in love with Britney? Don't, don't, don't. Let's go to a commercial for some depression pills. I love when Bravo's really going off their rails and they're like, are you depressed? Yes, I'm fucking depressed. I'm watching The Valley.

43:34Ben Mandelker: You know, Andy, that's a really tough question to answer right now. Wait, hold on. Let me just, hold on. I brought an onion here right for this moment. Let me just hold it up to my eyes. Oh, it's just a lot to talk about right now. I'm crying. I'm crying America. He's like, okay, well, if you still love her Why do you hurt her? Come on? Just if we just move on Andy, I don't want to move. I just want to move on from that one

43:58Ronnie Karam: It's too much be vulnerable Jax. Just be vulnerable. Okay. Why can't you just be vulnerable? Okay? You're still in love with her Just say it just say it

44:08Ben Mandelker: Are you still in love with Jax? I mean, I said a million times leaving somebody that you actually love is much harder than leaving somebody that when you're done and I was forced to leave the person I thought I was gonna buy with for the rest of my life and it really is hard to leave you know it's like the last time I walked out of that Hooters and I never knew if I would see it again because of corporate bankruptcy and such it was real hard to leave when I love that restaurant so we

44:36Ronnie Karam: talk about their son Cruz and his autism diagnosis and she says that when he was you know first born and like the first year of his life he was doing great he was talking he was you know showing great progress and then it kind of um stopped basically so she immediately went took him to the doctor and got the diagnosis and she basically talks about going through that with her son and uh all that and she's like and then i was doing it alone because jacks you know jacks wasn't doing any of that jacks is off doing rehab or doing whatever and i'm i'm there raising our autistic son alone and jack's is like yeah this would be really hard yeah let's be really hard

45:18Ben Mandelker: excuse me i gotta go pee i gotta pee no mind i gotta go pee i gotta go pee so sorry i should

45:23Ronnie Karam: have started this before the autism section because it's probably a bad time but i've really gotta pee i'm gonna be right now it's like geez could you choose a more awkward time so they're all like okay just go they don't stop the show or anything she just kind of goes off to pee and Andy is talking so Andy moves on to Michelle right so after the bitter separation Michelle moved from one dead eyed man to another dead eyed man but this one's dead eyes were bugging out of his head so Michelle, Jesse began to wonder if his new ex's honey was buzzing around while he and Michelle were still together Jesse, you accused Michelle of cheating on you while you were married did you have any proof that she cheated Jesse's like, well, we sat down with one of our really close friends.

46:12Ronnie Karam: And her number one thing was, I did not cheat on you. And I don't want you talking about it on the show. So my friend looked her in the eye and said, but you did cheat on him. And she got pink in the face, Andy. And she admitted. And Michelle's like, that is not how the conversation went. Okay, that is not how it went. But whatever.

46:33Ben Mandelker: Well, you went out one night. They met these two guys. they both started dating them and michelle's like that's not what i said and he said well did you cheat and she's like yeah well i kissed him well you asked me did anything happen and i explained exactly what happened that you cheated i did finally finally you've known before we started filming and you went on and tried to shame me because you wanted people to hate me

47:05Ronnie Karam: yeah so we go over this whole thing was she cheating was she not cheating so i fully support

47:10Ben Mandelker: her cheating in this you know i don't always support cheating i think generally i do not support cheating at all but i think when it comes to jesse's ass i am fully in favor of michelle having a liberating cheating moment and people can't get all righteous about this i'm gonna say people don't get righteous because how many rom-coms have we seen where someone is in a mediocre to bad relationship and they meet someone great and they have like a uh they have like an affair and we all root for them to leave the shitty guy and go with the guy they like we've all seen those movies we've all liked it i know movies aren't real life but the point is sometimes i'm okay with the rom-com situation happening i support michelle kissing another guy while she's dealing with the living wretch and narcissist that is jesse lally yeah you know cheating's not great But Jesse was out all the time.

48:04Ronnie Karam: Like she's home alone raising a baby and he's going out partying, spending all their money until four in the morning. So what is that? So if he actually doesn't stick his dick in somebody, it's not cheating, I guess, technically. But what else would you really call it? I mean, I would say that's pretty close. You're out partying every night doing God knows what with your friends.

48:25Ben Mandelker: and he probably he's nailing but he's he's nailing her to a cross for a kiss and like i'm not saying that she's like you know again not like we generally endorse cheating and you know i would have preferred it if she had kissed someone after she started the separation but he's nailing her to the cross about a kiss when he's spent all their money and being a totally irresponsible partner and it's just awful and treats her badly and is and is derogative towards her and condescending And I don't care if he's charming and a model and can laugh and reveal all those jack-o'-lantern teeth of his. I don't care.

49:01Ben Mandelker: Okay. How dare you? I'm going to grant her a kiss.

49:06Ronnie Karam: Well, I doubt it was just a kiss anyway. She probably full-on cheated and dated Aaron or whatever. But when you're in a relationship with a narcissist who's constantly degrading you and leaving you alone and doing all of this, and you think you're at the end of your—I mean, whatever. I don't need to excuse—it's not my relationship. but Jesse is just taking whatever he can to not look like the fucking asshole in this relationship because we all watched his season one and we've watched him try and change season two while still going around calling her a stupid whore and all of this other shit. And we've seen the way he treats her on camera.

49:38Ronnie Karam: And if he does that on camera, what is he like off camera? That's got to be terrifying. His dead-eyed terrifying personality is not cute. So when it's off camera, it's a lot different. so you know this whole like i'm going to use this kiss against you to really shame you so that no one's focusing on me and i have to say it's worked you know if you read a lot of comments and stuff we've discussed this at length it has worked um and it just it's infuriating that this guy gets away with that shit so i'm kind of with you i'm like i don't i don't love cheating but

50:08Ben Mandelker: fuck you yeah but fuck you yeah but fuck you i don't care what's right or wrong at this point

50:14Ronnie Karam: And I will not be on team Jesse on this.

50:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Andy is like, Jesse, did you ever cheat on Michelle? He goes, no, I don't cheat on anybody. And she or Michelle, you don't believe him. No. And then Michelle, I mean, Kristen, sorry, I'm back. Don't mind me. Did I miss anything good? Did we accuse Michelle of cheating yet? Oh, good. We're right in the middle of it. Perfect. So Andy's like, Kristen, you said that Michelle had a boyfriend, but that it wasn't. And she's like, oh, okay. Welcome back. ha ha this is funny my water broke but I gotta look I gotta leave gonna leave ha ha ha so Andy's like alright well Chrissy you said last year the mantra that Michelle had a boyfriend so what's going on was Aaron the boyfriend I didn't have a boyfriend now this is where Michelle's being tricky because she insists repeatedly I never had a boyfriend like Christian was lying because I never had a boyfriend and the negative space there is of course an implication like she had maybe a fuck buddy but they weren't officially

51:11Ronnie Karam: boyfriend so she's trying to deny it she's like we weren't closed off so yeah didn't count as what she's doing yeah so that's why i don't believe it was just a kiss and kristen's like but yeah you were seeing someone i know it was not erin so you know the only thing i know about her and erin is exactly what i've said you know like i mean she asked me to text my friend is he like a good guy and like what's his deal and that was none of it that was it so i did it and and he's like well it was a boyfriend it was just a friend uh and jesse's like yeah a friend that she kisses it was a friend who finally gave me attention a lot happened during my marriage but i never

51:51Ben Mandelker: closed it off with anybody andy jesse says she knows cheating and cheaters that's my one thing oh okay he's acting like he's the first person in the world to be upset when he gets cheated on And by the way, if cheating and cheaters are your one thing, why are you best friends with Jax? Just, I just, just curious about that one. Um, and why have you not laid into Jax for doing those things? Especially because it's apparently a trigger point for you, but it may be only selectively. So Michelle is like, that's really interesting because as soon as I asked for a devil horse, you started sleeping with a married woman.

52:30Ben Mandelker: So which is it? And Jesse goes, who's the married woman? Well, you know who it is. It starts with the A.

52:39Ronnie Karam: Oh, God. So now we've got another Pretty Little Liars on our hands. It's going to take us nine seasons to find out who A is.

52:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's, well, we all know it's, it's Anna, Anna.

53:01Ben Mandelker: Paquin. What are you trying to say? Wow.

53:11Ronnie Karam: You went into some kind of coma.

53:14Ben Mandelker: I was like, why can't I think of anyone who's any famous Anna's?

53:18Ronnie Karam: He's like, what? She's so good at the piano. I just can't. So Jesse's like, oh, oh, oh, my ex-girlfriend who hasn't been married in 25 years. She goes, really? She is married. so again I believe Michelle on this one because his eyes say it all you know he does this stuff where he says something and then she calls him on the line and then he just does a really slow eye roll and looks away and has no argument and that's what he did here so that's his tell

53:47Ben Mandelker: yep so now everyone's like chatting we're in a commercial break and Michelle's like do I seem angry and he's like no no no oh, you still haven't registered an emotion for five years. It's okay. Okay, because I still will never understand that term, gaslighting.

54:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah, gaslighting. She doesn't know what gaslighting is, which, you know, I get. I mean, I can see that in her. So Andy's like, oh, Luke, Jesse said you told him at a time where Michelle went over to Aaron's apartment and caught him with another girl. And Jesse, we see that. And Jesse, Luke is saying, well, before I say anything else, really want to apologize. Shouldn't have gotten in your marriage. But when she said that she was seeing somebody, that she went to see this guy and he was with another girl, that's what I said. That's what I said. So that was my one thing to say in this reunion. So I hope I got it out right.

54:50Ronnie Karam: Thank you, everybody. Thank you for coming to my Luke talk. And Jasmine was like, oh, oh, oh, can I ask a question? like like the cheating like like do you think that like emotionally like do you think that like you emotionally cheated on jesse maybe like was it emotional was it like cheating cheating was it emotional cheating what kind of cheating was it and michelle uh jesse's like 100 that's what i said that's what i said emotional cheating yeah because that's what it sounds like i mean it's just what it sounds like to me just spoken to someone who's been a real estate pro for about five minutes

55:20Ben Mandelker: yeah and so and he's like well we're Michelle were you and Aaron in an emotional relationship? No that is so false because he admitted to me in Hawaii you guys used to meet up at the park while Isabella ran around hold on let me finish people who are not interrupting me and he used to ask you for advice on this girl and on the girls he was dating and then you asked him she's like that's not an emotional relationship his words his words you asked him for advice on our marriage and our separation and so we see footage of aaron being like yeah you know i would talk to her about girls i was dating and i would get her opinion and then the only time she ever brought you up is when she said she was going to file for separation big emotional affair

56:07Ronnie Karam: happening over there and jesse's like that is emotional cheating come on a married woman with a child asking a single guy for advice about her husband that is wildly inappropriate no it's not while it's not inappropriate for men and women to be friends jesse and to talk about their lives like what are we in 1930 like well 1950 i guess would be more uh apt but like what what do we what is this puritanical bullshit men and women can't be friends and talk about their relationships Give me a break.

56:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

56:40Ronnie Karam: So Michelle is wildly inappropriate. You told our client that you wanted to eat or out like wildly inappropriate. And he goes, oh, what, what, what are you talking about? And Jasmine's like, oh yeah, get that sale. Get that sale. I'm just kidding, guys. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Harassment's hilarious when somebody else do it. Harassment's hilarious when it's one of my friends doing it.

57:02Ben Mandelker: Did you get the sale though? Did you do it? Yes, you did. I made it. And he's like, yeah, I did. Somehow, Jesse gets off the hook for this accusation because there's like a joke. And then, you know, it's like, and then we move on. You know, so Andy's like, all right. How long were you guys together? He's like eight and a half years-ish. Are we glad that you're not together still? And Janet goes, yes, yes, we are. Yeah, I think we're both happy. Okay, well then let's leave it there because you guys are not famous enough. To keep talking about this. Okay.

57:39Ronnie Karam: Michelle is too far away to hear. I'm not going to lie. Can we see Michelle by the fire escape? That would be great. Michelle's not far enough away from it.

57:49Ben Mandelker: All right. Well, after last season wrapped, Zach made comments at Jax's bar that left friendships in disarray and had Janet wanting to host an exorcism for his so-called demonic behavior. Ha! Ha! Ha! Well, Kristen, when Janet apologized to you at the white party, you said you were reluctant to believe she really wanted to be friends with you. Why was that? Yeah, well, Janet was there, like, that, like, the Janet that's there on the valley is not the, it's not the Janet who I was friends with, okay? Okay, well, what's the difference between the two of them? Well, the Janet I was friends with used to wear her hair a little bit to the side, and the one in the valley likes a ponytail, and that just creeps me the fuck out.

58:32Ronnie Karam: I mean, she used to be funny and super intelligent. And the second we started filming, I was like, who the fuck even is this person? Who is he? And every time I make Critson's head movements, I lose my place on the page. Sorry. Sorry. Every time I see Critson's head movement, I go, oh, I'm going to have to start searching.

58:52Ronnie Karam: So Jason's like, Docker speaking. So what are the examples? Because I hear a lot of this, like big talk about, oh, Janet's doing all these things. She's masterminding. But I'm watching the show and I'm like, what are you guys talking about? Like, what is it? Kristen says, I mean, like, you're just not you. Like, you're kind of Stassi Schroeder. You're kind of Lola Kent. You're kind of Sheena. Basically, she's saying she watches show and she's just copying reality star moves that other people have made long before her, which is what she's doing. And Janet's like, yeah, but this is what you're saying, though.

59:25Ronnie Karam: I'm not out here saying I want to be those people. No, Janet, but you're trying to emulate them. You don't have to say you're trying to emulate them. to emulate them. Dum-dum.

59:34Ben Mandelker: Jesse, you wanted to say something? I heard a whistling through the Stonehenge that is your mouth. And he's like, well, Janet and I have a good relationship and we crack jokes together and stuff like that. And I watch her like a million times bring things back around that don't need to be brought up again. What we should be talking about is that Michelle is a slut who had an affair with me. And yet somehow that only comes up when I bring it up. I just don't like this double standard. What were we talking about?

1:00:03Ronnie Karam: He's like, yeah, basically, Janet sucks. Like, I've always liked Janet, but then I watch the show back and I see that Janet sucks. And Kristen's like, yeah, like she tries to get involved and make it about her. Jesse goes, yeah, it's like she wants to be involved in every little thing. And then all of a sudden, she tries to manipulate it. And Andy's saying, so you're saying she's manipulative? Andy's barely hanging on. He's just like, oh, my God, can I please go to bed? And Jesse's like, yeah, I mean, I watch a show and she sucks. And Jason's like, whoa, whoa, that is wild because I watch a show too.

1:00:37Ronnie Karam: And I just heard this side of the room talking about my wife 80 % of the time they're on camera. Yeah, because your wife starts 80 % of the drama that's on the TV, Jason, that she puts herself in it. That's what they're saying. They're saying nothing has anything to do with Janet, but she manipulates everybody and gets herself in every situation for camera time. That's why they're always talking about her.

1:00:58Ben Mandelker: So Zach, between seasons, what exactly did you say at Jax's bar opening? Okay, so there have been many different stories. Some people say I was totally hilarious and charming and maybe should have been sat farther up the sofa. And then others say, well, I was blackout and I guess I told her I said I wanted her to miss Kari. I don't really know. So Jax goes, that's terrible. That's absolutely terrible. And Andy is just like, I mean, what part wasn't I groaning at? on this episode so andy's like and so why would you say that well you know what that threw me off i'm not gonna lie and i don't know i don't know when i said it it was to britney and it was not i was like coming after her and it was a private disgusting thing to say not a public disgusting

1:01:45Ronnie Karam: thing to say so once again this is something that britney took and took to somebody else to start shit once again like britney does this all the fucking time this is the other 20 of storylines or Britney doing this shit. But this pissed me off, and I groaned really loud and booed at the TV because, Zach, I mean, I stood up for you, so I will have to take the L on this one because I assumed it was Zach saying, since they never went into what exactly happened, I thought that Zach had said something when they were saying, like, you know, Janet is saying you want her, you don't, being stressed out can help her, can make her lose her baby or something.

1:02:25Ronnie Karam: It's like, fine, then I don't care or whatever, something like that but no zach i guess did say like fucker than best carry or whatever he said that's terrible jesus christ and i totally believe it because we see how zach is like in the last in the finale episode where he's like shut up stupid whore like he just goes crazy with that mouth but boo boo i'm just taking the l so jason's look for you again hey everyone this is the end of

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