#2982 Crappy Hour 8-25-25: Sober at Sonjarita's

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1:42Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Crappie Hour, August 25th, 1975, the day of my birth. I've just come out of my mother. And I've seen my first real housewife smoking a cigarette, drinking a bottle of, or drinking out of a box of Franzi in a hospital, and saying, you, I was going to call you Rhonda, but you've got a wiener. So I'm adding an L to the end. Welcome to the world. Hello, everybody. I'm Ronnie, and that's Ben. Hello, Ben.

2:12Ben Mandelker: Ronnie, hi. Happy birthday. Happy Big 5-0. This is so exciting. I'm celebrating on my side of the screen. Birthday balloons on your screen. Thank you, Ben. I'm celebrating. We love you.

2:24Ronnie Karam: Thank you, everybody, so much for being here and in the comments and reading your comments. Thank you, guys. Thanks so much for being here. Wow, this is 50. What a crazy time. It was just like yesterday, except I'm older. God bless it. It's amazing. I'm just going to keep getting little pieces of skin chopped off for the rest of my life once a month. So we'll see where that goes. Oh, and last night, I watched The Substance to celebrate. oh you did how was that yeah well it really gives a new meaning to like there's a thin person in me just dying to get out you know my god that movie was disgusting oh my god but hilarious too right yeah it was really good it was pretty good um but i was very i was like if you look like demie more and you're really that upset we're all screwed like demie more even looked amazing in that movie i was it's not like they made her ugly or fat or anything she's just like i'm doing more but i want to be younger and prettier and i was like girl then the rest of us are just like let's just the rest of us let's just all commit mass suicide because what the hell

3:33Ben Mandelker: yes but like um when late in the movie uh demi more looks a certain sort of way and she puts on her little earrings that was to me my favorite thing i saw in the past year her putting those little like it was like little eyelashes or something on when she's in a state of disarray yes and one of her transformative moments honestly like when i saw that i was like ronnie has to see this movie it was really just about that scene i just wanted you to see that scene of her getting ready and glamming up that was like i just died i was like this movie is so crazy i can't believe they're doing this i think is the perfect thing to watch on your last night of your 40s

4:15Ronnie Karam: yeah because you know me i want to get everything done and i mean ever since miami this season started airing i've wanted to get my knees done i've never even thought about knees being wrinkly i feel like bravo just gives me these things that i want to go under the knife for you know

4:31Ben Mandelker: yeah um that's it is funny that bravo is creating some sort of knee anxiety anxiety at me um well i mean now that you're 50 you now have to list 50 things that you've learned for the rest of the episode and we're all waiting oh god let's just start with 50 pieces of gossip

4:46Ronnie Karam: from bravo because we all know i learned nothing we know i learned nothing that's that's the joy of being 50 you can finally admit i learned nothing and i'm never gonna learn nothing

4:56Ben Mandelker: and i'm fine with it i learned nothing nothing nothing if i don't have you

5:08Ronnie Karam: One thing people are asking us quite a bit about is Real Housewives of London. We are not watching it. And the reason we're not watching it, even though we are both completely in love with Housewives, obviously, is that what if they put it on Bravo? Like, what if they license it and start airing it on Bravo or something? Then we'll have to do it all over again. Although I suppose we could recap it for Patreon and then put it on the main feed if they ever release it. I mean, I don't know. What do you want to do?

5:32Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I don't know. I've got to think about it. But I don't think the demand has actually been super high. And I feel my concern is that a lot of people will not be able to access it. So I say let's just let that one ride a little bit. And if we need to call upon it, we will call upon it. But I think that we, you know, I'm sure that the Bravo schedule is about to ramp up. This happens. A lot of people have been talking about that we're in sort of like a dead zone with Bravo right now. But this actually happens every year. It just feels more dead than usual because they put Miami on the same night as Orange County.

6:06Ben Mandelker: So we have like a full like one or two nights where there's just nothing on.

6:09Ronnie Karam: But we'll all get through it together. That is weird, though. It is super, super weird. One thing we will be recapping is the Love Island reunion on Patreon that comes out tonight. So I'm psyched about that. But yeah, I think another reason it's weird is because a couple of the things on we're just not watching. Like we're not watching the King's Court because, honestly, I just I think that was my fault. but I was like, I've had enough dating shows. You know, I don't come to Bravo for dating shows. And Love Island wasn't on Bravo. It is now, though, if you guys want to watch it. They're showing it all now.

6:39Ronnie Karam: But Love Island, that was a lot. And then Love Hotel. And then this other one came out. And I was like, I'm sick of fucking fake dates. Okay, I have enough fake dates on my own.

6:52Ben Mandelker: I've only watched, I think, one or two episodes of King's Court. and like obviously as karen huger says like the eye candy is i guess that'd be arm candy but like obviously these are like three of the hottest guys we've ever seen on dating shows i mean it's tyson back for the most famous male supermodel of all time i mean that's really if you wound up on this show as a contestant you really hit the jackpot i think but that being said it's like

7:16Ronnie Karam: no because he's like douchey and i'm sorry i watched the first episode of it to decide that I hated it and um he started crying about how traumatic his like love is so traumatic and it's not any less traumatic for him just because he's a model and I was like fuck off like I'm not gonna sit here and listen to the prettiest man in the world cry because you think it doesn't make it easier but it does sir it fucking does and I don't want I'm not gonna sit here and listen to you cry

7:44Ben Mandelker: about it sir the the hard part i had was holly robinson and her husband rodney like hosting i don't know if they also do queen's court but they're like this weird like piano lounge act on the side of the show who they're like sitting at the end of the table like so looks like you guys had some dates why don't you tell us about it i feel like they're gonna break into song any moment i'm like they're they're acting so strange on this dating show um but yeah no it just wasn't it just wasn't a very good show i was sort of in it in the beginning but then when they went on their separate dates they went skydiving and painting i was like this just kind of feels like scripted crap and i know that i know everything's scripted but if i if i can really see it and sense it you know it's just not gonna really be for me unfortunately yeah so i think that's why we feel

8:29Ronnie Karam: more barren in the landscape because we've got uh that that we're not really watching and then mcb which we're watching but it doesn't feel like a very bravo-y type show you know so but we do have two housewives on at one time and we've got a pretty solid below deck season i know some people hate it because it's like new and datey and all of that but i mean i like it i even like the

8:49Ben Mandelker: instagram wall since we've argued about so i'm fine i'm i i um i think bravo is giving us the best and the worst these days i think that orange county and miami are like excellent and they're doing great great great work and i think that below deck is i'm i'm not really enjoying this season i'm not gonna lie and you know my feelings on mcb are you know that i'm happy for you ronnie so the point is it's you know it is a little bit like up and down but i'm excited salt lake city is around the corner and i'm sure there's gonna be like a million other shows that they're about to drop i'm sure um mediterranean's got to be coming out soon they just they they there there can't be much time left on below deck and uh yeah there's got to be shows there's got to be shows

9:32Ronnie Karam: three boots coming up i think in the fall oh yeah we've got plenty coming so it's all good and you know we we should always be grateful for what we have we've got a good season of miami a really good season of oc so you know what thank you lord that's what i'm saying today okay thank you jesus for everything that you've given us okay so now let's move into some gossy goss from the bravo i think the biggest piece of news this week that still has me reeling and it's actually really upsetting to me i just mentioned jesus which leads me to blasphemy of course and uh did you know that sonia reeds his house on the real housewives of new york she sold her house they got it for a steal and it's been turned into a sober living facility what yes the fuck that is like opening a gay porn studio inside of an old renovated church how dare you how dare you

10:26Ben Mandelker: Listen, we saw poltergeist like this is so I just want to say, by the way, I was on Rachel Lindsay's podcast is coming out tomorrow and we discussed this. We discussed this this situation here. And I'm going to say to you what I said to her, which is that we saw poltergeist and we saw what happened when you build a house on a burial ground. It's not good. And that's what happens here. This is a this is a sobriety burial ground. I just don't think that there's any way you can stay sober in that household. There's no way. There's too many memories. It's like built into the walls. You have to torch it down.

11:00Ben Mandelker: You cannot make that a sober living. Not only could you not be sober in there, you shouldn't be sober in there. That is a space that is a testament to one lady's drunken descent into madness. And I don't think that anyone should have to be forced to be sober in there.

11:16Ronnie Karam: I think that's such a good way of putting it like a burial ground.

11:19Ben Mandelker: you know nothing good is gonna come of that yes it's not it's like you know that scene in poltergeist as long as we're talking about horror movies you know when it's like the skeletons like emerge out of the pool and it's like what is this like you built it on a burial ground and you never told anyone it's like that you know yeah nothing that's gonna happen there that house was built to

11:39Ronnie Karam: be a shit-faced you know good for nothing in i mean that's what that house is for that's how it should remain i don't believe in reason and also i feel kind of bad because sober living listen that's hard that's a rough road to hoe and they're out there trying to hoe it in a hose house like in an old house who just you know just first of all sonia this might get sonia sober just so she can move back into that penthouse she can be like a sober living sonia will probably be the one to bring the booze back to that house she'll sneak her way back in she'll bring everybody capri sun bags they'll all be filled with titos but um also i feel bad for the people who move there because that house is not in good repair i mean it's falling apart there's brown ice the the hot water doesn't work the pipes are all broken there's mold in the walls so do sober people need that they're struggling okay they're already struggling enough without putting them in a tent

12:33Ben Mandelker: encampment okay we don't we don't need people who are trying to stay sober to be in a building where one day they will go down to the basement and find the bones of pickles okay that is going to send people to the bottle all over again they're like you know what somebody keeps coming up right

12:49Ronnie Karam: behind me i don't see them but i feel them and they're offering to order me a door dash just it's pickles buried in the basement underneath all the mammies that they kept in there and all that weird shit that she kept in her basement they're gonna wake up in the middle of the night

13:05Ben Mandelker: and there's gonna be like the ghost of her facialist just like massaging their faces and just gossiping to them about stuff. They're like, wait a second. And then she just disappears. I could have sworn there was a lady gossiping with me, being messy.

13:20Ronnie Karam: Australian Fly Girl says, it's next to parking, decent location. Yeah, Sonya's building gets a lot of crap because it's a townhouse next to a big parking garage. And so people are like, oh, how so low, Rhett. Everything's next to something. I mean, I don't see that big of a deal with that, do you? I would personally love that.

13:38Ben Mandelker: I mean, that's great for throwing parties, parking for your guests, honestly.

13:42Ronnie Karam: Well, also, a parking garage is a great place to score Coke.

13:45Ben Mandelker: Mm-hmm. Or probably to have some sort of like, I wonder why if you had so many gays there on the Wednesdays. Like Wednesday nights at Sonya's, they just go bang in the parking lot afterwards. I think that's great. I mean, look, like you said, everything in New York is next to something. you know to have a townhouse in new york like when you can normally only afford like a closet that's that's that's living that's nothing kdc says hopefully the people don't get left outside in the rain in the cold sony makes them all wait in the lobby

14:19Ronnie Karam: so many memories from that town home i'm sorry sonya i know that has to hurt because you know people have been asking sony to get sober for years and now to do this to her home that she put so much non-work into is just it's hurtful yeah yeah it is it's the worst thing that they could have ever done to this piece of real estate let's be honest yeah really so and to the sober people like they deserve better so um here we go this is from the u.s sun work in progress jacks taylor loved bomb had sex with then discarded several female employees at his la bar before he was fired. I am shocked.

15:01Ben Mandelker: I actually read about this, not in the sun. I read about it in, I just can't believe it quarterly. Really? It was a headline news and I can't believe it quarterly. Like who would have, and then I was also, they also picked it up on who would have thought weekly this, this thing. No, Jax has been sleeping with his employees, which was, he was already accused of it. we didn't even need to wait for Danny to accuse him of it or bring to mention it on on the valley i think we all saw it coming we're all like well he's pun not intended but like we knew the moment when he was interviewing people last season like he's sleeping with these people he's he's he's gonna sleep with these these women and that's exactly what he did and apparently what he did was he would um text them all and be really flirtatious and what he would send the messages that was like um i'm not supposed to be talking to the staff because it's like a violation like but you're like i feel this connection or whatever like you're the only one i want like i feel like it's worth breaking the rules for he kept on making it making them feel special like they were the only one he was texting like he was breaking the rules putting his job in jeopardy for this person and they would he'd give out numbers that way they wouldn't talk on socials and he would be like really vulgar and whatever and so he would just sort of like they just and some of the women say like didn't really know what to do uh because he's the boss and some of them were like well i resisted at first i was hesitant but then he made me feel so like you know feel certain sort of things and so he but apparently he was saying this all of them so every time he was like you're the one you're the like you know i'm i'm i'm willing to break the rules for you he was saying that to all of the women at the place according to this article and he was which is like so manipulative and of course the big thing is that of course he did not use protection but he would buy them all plan b or offer to buy them all oh that's great i mean

16:55Ronnie Karam: you know the article's gonna be good because the uh byline not the byline that's who wrote who wrote it right the headline number two or whatever like there's a headline that i read and then the second headline is multiple women claimed he would not wear protection but always offered to buy plan b i mean that is that's a thoughtful guy it's a very thoughtful guy you know really it

17:18Ben Mandelker: It truly is. And apparently he would be going well. And then all of a sudden he would like turn on them and get like really like nasty and mean and get paranoid and be like, you're the problem. You know, all the stuff that we would see him do on TV is basically doing sort of really much more aggressively and more disgustingly even to these women, according to the source that spoke to the son.

17:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he's he's disgusting. So congrats, Danny, because you know what? He tried that shit with Danny in the end of Vanderpump Rules. Or not Vanderpump Rules, the Valley. And so Danny outed him for this. And then the next week, Jax was fired from that restaurant. They closed it. So, you know, the ultimate revenge. But yeah, what a piece of crap. But also, just like a general public announcement, don't work for Jax. And also, don't fuck Jax. Like, seriously? I can't believe in 2025. it's like telling people not to eat those little bags of silica that come in things that have been delivered to your house.

18:23Ronnie Karam: You need to be told not to eat that. You're going to die. You're going to die if you eat the pack of silica. OK, we shouldn't have to be telling people in 2025 not to fuck Jax Taylor. There's like over a decade of evidence. Like, come on, man.

18:37Ben Mandelker: I think the rule of thumb should be that if you're being manipulated by Jax, it can be very hard to see the logic. You start to say, oh, well, actually, he's really nice. He's very sweet. We've all seen him do his charm attack. And you feel these things and you think, well, maybe he's different. Maybe he's changed. Just know, no matter what you're thinking and how much you're starting to like him, don't sleep with Jax Taylor.

19:02Ronnie Karam: Don't sleep with Jax. Don't even talk to him. Don't do it. Don't even talk to him. You know, we were doing this a few weeks ago, and I was telling you I saw a friend who's a sweater gay who lives in Valley Village. And he said that he always sees Jax driving around on this golf cart and doing his cameos while he drives. You know, like holding his phone up and being like, hey, I'm in a golf cart. And we got a couple comments being like, that's ridiculous. That's a lie. I don't believe that because it's too busy of a street. Like you can't just ride down Ventura on a golf cart. Like that's dangerous.

19:38Ronnie Karam: It would never happen. He'd be pulled over. And then literally the next week, there are all these pictures of stupid Jacks rolling down Ventura on his stupid golf cart. And no one doing shit to him. Okay. This is L.A. You can get away. You'd be surprised with what you can get away with here.

19:55Ben Mandelker: That little a-hole Jacks. Yeah. The next stop for him, I guarantee we're going to see him pop up again in the manosphere. And he's going to be actually more repulsive than ever. And he's going to start doing annoying things. He's going to start doing lots of crossfit. Or there's this new thing. What's it called? Like Hydrox or Hybrox or something. He's going to do that. He'll be in shape, but he'll be kind of annoyingly right-wingy. And it'll just be just the worst.

20:22Ronnie Karam: Yeah, he'll make a turn. He'll take a turn. But hopefully he won't be in the, you know, the zeitgeist for that long. Just get rid of him. I don't even want to hear about him. And I know I'm promoting it by talking about him. But, I mean, come on. We had to talk about this one because it's typical Jackson. It's just something we all saw coming for a long time. So we were all right. Yay. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. show. This episode is supported by FX's The Shards, a seductive drama from executive producer Ryan Murphy.

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23:23Ronnie Karam: They're not going for brevity in the links, you know?

23:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah. You know what? You shouldn't even apologize because really I should apologize because it's your birthday and you shouldn't even have to have done any of this. You shouldn't have to work on your birthday except for this very moment. So that's my. You know, I love reading.

23:37Ronnie Karam: I love sitting in bed, copying and pasting. I know you do. You do. Definitely one of the times I was like, I get to say this is my work. There is no complaint at all.

23:47Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I'm going to go right to the next thing that's on this list here because I thought this was funny, this link that you put up. And then I had simultaneously seen this other link that goes right with it right when I read this one. So it's about Stephanie. This is just a stupid story. but um this is uh so stephanie's stylist is is clapping back at the haters because haters are gonna hate okay so the stylist someone um someone somewhere on social media said something like nothing about stephanie's personal style clicks in place for me if it's not the bangles it's the bun if it's not the bun it's the makeup it's not the makeup it's the color of this dress if it's not the color of the dress it's the dress itself and then the bangles then the bun and then the makeup and then the color of the dress and then this dress her personality but whoever wrote this please write a musical because you are the next stephen sondheim i'm telling you this right now the the the rhythmic nature of this beautiful comment is so perfect um her personality isn't much better either although it's nice to see a woman unafraid to wield her private jet like a weapon it's her only good accessory so someone wrote that so the stephanie's stylist has using set to the tune of Voila Traduction which I don't know is that like an Edith Piaf song or something he responds thank you so much People Magazine for your opinion oh I guess People Magazine wrote this

25:12Ronnie Karam: yeah this is a People Magazine article I was just waiting for you to get to that because I was cracking up that you thought this was just a shitty person on the internet now the shitty people have taken over the internet okay we're now running People Magazine

25:25Ben Mandelker: People Magazine just trolling Stephanie, hardcore Oh wow, that makes this even Funnier, I thought it was just someone on Reddit Just writing an amazing Comment, but no, this is People Magazine So Rob Angel Says, thank you so much at People Magazine for your opinion on how horrible You think my work is Heart emojis around my face, I love it A weak person would be devastated to see this However, a confident person like myself Knows that whoever wrote this article has absolutely no taste because sweetie she looks stunning the cyber bullying on myself

26:02Ronnie Karam: at cesar and at stephanie shakaji is appalling and if you think after a few fs if you think a few episodes of a tv show means that you know everything about a person and their personality it just personifies your ignorance have a blessed day and get a life You are never coming on the plane. You are never coming on Stephanie's old man ball plane. Okay. You will not be driven by old dangly nuts air. So have fun on the train, bitch.

26:35Ben Mandelker: Wow. Wow. I'm glad to see that this person is not a weak person who is not devastated by this.

26:45Ronnie Karam: I love to see a non-insecure person. I love how screaming that people are so insecure while you're ranting and raving on Instagram going crazy. I'm sorry, Rob Angel. You're trying to do a Jackie O thing on Stephanie and we're just not buying it. Okay. Jackie O earned that status. You don't get to just come take it. And then what he's proving to us, like his proof of his great styling. And I'm sorry I'm stuttering, but I'm trying to bring up this window right now. I just want to shake the picture.

27:16Ben Mandelker: It's a birthday stutter.

27:18Ronnie Karam: it's uh this is his example i mean i personally think this is okay you know this is one of her better outfits i think i agree it's just interesting that he chose to dress her like kind of a golden crappy it's like she's kind of poop emoji she's kind of giving poop emoji in this picture if you really look at it long and hard so uh i um what you know what's so funny is that um

27:44Ben Mandelker: And also another shout out. I was on two judgy girls. Then the episode is airs today. And Courtney clocked something that we both missed, which is that Stephanie on the latest episode of Miami was wearing like a red jumpsuit kind of thing. And this was a week after Stephanie was the only one in the cast who did not wear red to dinner because she said she had no red. And then all of a sudden she had red for the next party. so i just want you to know mr angel we are also aware of your complicit activity in lying on the dress code okay because we know you had a red number for her and you lied you lied and and you participated in the lie that that she did not have something red when everyone else was wearing red don't think we don't notice these things even though we didn't notice and had to be told by someone but now we notice and now we see it all yeah she's the that's the girl who shows up to white to somebody else's wedding yeah yeah um yeah like alex mccord um at a wedding in quag so um yeah uh the other thing is that she first of all this guy is doing his he's doing his duty You know, he is a loyal gay to his to his boss.

29:02Ben Mandelker: And like the first rule of being a makeup and hair gay or stylist gay is that when people come for your boss, you have to attack on their behalf. So he's doing the right thing there. But also what's so funny is that literally just as I stepped on for tonight's broadcast, I happened to see on Twitter from Queens of Bravo. They put up this tweet, some social media posts from Stephanie. And their headline is Stephanie went to a drag show in an attempt to show that she's fun. And we see two back-to-back Instagram stories. The first one is Stephanie wearing this like a Kermit the Frog, like Fraggle Rocky green thing.

29:42Ben Mandelker: and the caption is wait before i start you didn't think i was boring right because i have rules but i'm not that uptight so she's literally being like guys i'm not jackie yo look at me i'm wild and crazy and we see her in this outfit looking so silly and she's like clearly dancing and clearly like oh my god i'm with like a drag queen right now this is actually like so cool i'm like so i'm so relaxed i'm so fun the gays love me they absolutely love me and then the next shot is her being like that was fun right just trying so hard to prove that she's fun yeah i went to a drag show

30:15Ronnie Karam: this weekend because i was in palm springs and we went to this like fundraiser for trans trans people basically i mean it was like a longer title but for basically a trans fundraiser which was really good it was like a community fundraiser thing and so they had a bunch of really good queens there well they also had a lot of drag kings and i haven't seen a ton of drag kings you You know, they're just not as popular in that world. So they had this drag king come out. And he was small. He was a small guy. And so he comes out and he's doing this like manly number. By the way, I think that's why drag kings can't catch on.

30:47Ronnie Karam: Because no one like really jams the same to like Willie Nelson in a drag bar. You know what I mean? They actually probably would do Willie Nelson. I'm trying to think of a better example. But like Nick Lachey. Like no one's going to go crazy over Nick Lachey. Anyway, that's not the point. so the drag queen comes out and there's a bachelorette party there because of course there is there is at every drag show and they were really cute and the bride the drag queen immediately eyes the bride and comes right up and picks her up and carries her to the stage and drops her ass on the ground oh my god he dropped her he dropped her on the ground okay and she's like i'm okay i'm okay but she took forever to get up i don't think she was okay and then the hostess, you know, the drag queen who was hosting it, we were sitting right by the backstage entrance, you know, like where they come on and off stage.

31:39Ronnie Karam: And at the end of his number, he's waving and he's like smiling and she goes up to him and she pushes him behind the camera. She goes, get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. I died. I died. But anyway, yeah, Stephanie was like the girl they drop in the drag show. It's like her first time, you know, she's like, I'm totally down. and it's like you're the girl she's the girl that you're rooting for that drag queen to drop um but yeah i saw her posting on instagram this week like oh my god hey everybody these are all the friends that i pay for look at me buying friends i must be buying them right that's why i'm surrounded by friends and it's her at some party just doing her silent laugh and then um i'm like you paid for all those people like you're paying for the dinner like why are you How is that not buying your friend?

32:28Ronnie Karam: I don't know. The whole thing with her is she cannot be this defensive. You can't be a housewife and then getting offended at every little thing. Because you could be the sweetest housewife on the planet. And people are still going to show up on your Instagram and go, you dumb bitch. You're all shadow stupid. You know, it's just the nature of the beast. You need to calm down over there. Question for you. Yes. I'm sorry. Say what you're going to say. I'm such an interrupter.

32:54Ben Mandelker: I was just going to say she's going to have a tough time next season because, you know, she's going to be a villain next, like a really big villain. You know, they're going to go for her next season.

33:01Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, Kiki and Gertie have done interviews. Kiki unfollowed Gertie. It's like a big deal. Everybody's like, why, Kiki? Why? So they've been doing interviews. and they've both said in their interviews that this is going to be a record-breaking reunion because something that's absolutely never happened before on any Housewives reunion happens at this reunion. So people are asking, like, what is it? I don't know what it is. I have a guess. But what's your guess?

33:39Ben Mandelker: Something that has never happened before. Maybe the announcement of the new cast member. Or maybe someone gets promoted live on the show, on the reunion.

33:49Ronnie Karam: Oh, like from friend of to regular?

33:55Ben Mandelker: Maybe someone gets fired on the spot. Although kind of Adrian Maloof was sort of fired at the reunion once. That will be your last act as a Bravo housewife.

34:06Ronnie Karam: I think Stephanie's going to quit. That's my guess. because Stephanie posted something after the reunion that people were like, did you quit? I don't even remember what it was because it wasn't that dramatic, but it was something like, oh my God. I don't know, whatever it was. People were like, are you going to quit? Are you quitting the show? And she said no. It's going to happen to most reunions. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm wondering if that's what, that's my only guess. I don't know what else it could be.

34:31Ben Mandelker: Hmm. Oh, well, East Awesome has a prediction. Air conditioning was discovered at the reunion. Maybe that's what happens.

34:37Ronnie Karam: Carrie says someone shits the couch and Emily says Larza reveals her plastic surgery someone says something that's never happened probably Andy not asking about plastic surgery and Amanda says at Carrie, surely Ramona pooped on the reunion couch before, I don't think

34:55Ben Mandelker: I don't think that would be the first one I have to say one thing that I was really shocked about was that on Friday I saw that Larza was trending and lots of people i went on and i looked and lots of people were just like super angry at larsa for being mean to lisa and saying how lisa's such a nice girl and everyone's ganging up on lisa yada yada yada yada and um everyone's just like coming down on larsa which they should because larsa is like literally like a demon that's come out of hell but like it's just funny to me that everyone is so kind to Lisa. I'm like, does everyone forget that Lisa's an asshole too?

35:36Ben Mandelker: I feel like they're both two assholes just going at each other. It's like death becomes her, right? And it was just very funny that to me, the audience was super sympathetic to Lisa. But I think that just goes to show, no one likes to gang up on these shows, no matter what. That's why Katie's doing so well in Orange County.

35:55Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think so. Although Katie, I mean, I don't know if she's doing so well. Do you think she's doing really well? I think she's kind of a mess. I'm kind of embarrassed for her because I've been rooting for that girl, but it's just getting worse and worse.

36:08Ben Mandelker: No, she's very, she's very messy, but we're all rooting for her. And like, we're all rooting. We're like, oh, and then there's always pictures. Like every time I go on to X, people are like, there's always a picture of Katie looking, you know, drop dead gorgeous. They're like, look at her. They could only wish they could only want. And they show up like a picture of Tamara looking like she just climbed out of a washing machine. And they're like, look at Tamara trying so hard. So like people I think are like on Katie's side, even though I think we all at this point acknowledge that she's lying too much.

36:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah, she's full of it. I mean, she's extremely artless. I would say her art level as a housewife is sad. Like it's bad. It's really bad. But maybe with some practice she should be – she could be better. I mean, I just like that she stays so calm. I think that there's something to that about having that level of just icy calmness that no matter what you say to her, she's just like, that's not true. I didn't do it. Whatever. Shannon forgot her sandwich.

37:06Ben Mandelker: I think Katie is sort of like a Willa Ford type, you know, like having her moment. We're rooting for her. We know she can we know she can do it, but she's like maybe slightly too clunky to really be legendary. You know, like she has to, she just has to kind of get a little, tighten it up, tighten it up and have like a, like have some longevity there, you know?

37:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Get your lies straight. But this week or last week when they had her confessional and she's like, okay, so should I say what really happened or what I'm supposed to be saying? Or like, which, which do you guys want right now? Am I supposed to say the truth or do you want me to keep lying? Should I go with this lie or that lie? Which one do you guys want? And they're like, okay, tell us the truth.

37:48Ben Mandelker: Yeah, exactly. Emily says, kudos to Katie, considering this is her second season and she's already got the monotone lies down. That's exactly right. Monotone lies. I'm really excited for this episode of next episode of Orange County. But anyway, let's go on to some more headlines. Well, let's get this one.

38:06Ronnie Karam: I'm going to do another OC because we brought up Katie. You want to talk about the art of lying and how to get it down, Pat? There's no one better to ask than Slade. Smiley, ladies and gentlemen. This is from the famous French magazine that we're all subscribed to ever since the 80s. Realty, blah, blah. And Real Housewives Slade Smiley reveals what he told Katie's husband, Matt. During the call is Gretchen Rossi Blast Katie. Oh, for lies. This was written by Barnell Anderson. Hey, Barney. So there's quite a bit going on with the Real Housewives of Orange County. Blah, blah, blah, blah. As fans know, Katie and Gretchen were on good terms, blah-de-blah.

38:51Ronnie Karam: Gretchen was on the recent episode of Juicy Scoop with Heather McFuckin' Donald. What about that? Glad to see Heather doing well over there. Hey, Heather, we're proud of you. Keep on keeping on. Look at you. Where she discussed her issues with Katie. She said, we're in New Orleans, and Katie is swearing that she did not tell Kiki this fake story. And she's like, I swear I did not tell Kiki this story. And she's like, adamant. Where's the Slade quote? Can we just get to the Slade quote? We know what Gretchen's going to say. Now they brought up naked wasted. Gretchen said, by the way, I'm not trying to protect Tamara from anything.

39:26Ronnie Karam: So then Katie and now Matt are doubling down. And Matt is now claiming that Slade called him in New Orleans and said, protect Gretchen. Hold the line. She was very disappointed in Matt. And he was just saying, don't speak to bloggers or media. That's all it was. Because Slade himself says he was asked if it was true that Katie had been calling bloggers and he denied that it was true. Slade added that he told Matt Janela, well, well, neighbor, I don't want to hear a month from now that she actually did it. Because Oakley Oakley, that's been her track record where she denies, denies, denies. And then all of a sudden she flips and there's an admission.

40:05Ronnie Karam: And that's exactly what happened. Now she's changing her story after denying it on camera. Not to say she won't be welcome at my house for pudding anytime soon, because she's a neighbor, and that's how we do neighbors. Hoodly-doodly-snoodly-doodly. Slate Smiley.

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42:47Ben Mandelker: I just don't what I don't. It's like Gretchen being on camera telling Tamara. Yeah, well, I got I was really, really drunk. And the next day I went to the hospital because I was so sick. And then telling us I never went to the hospital. That to me is a harder pill to swallow. Like that's like like we're talking about like, oh, Arcadian Matt lying, whatever. like katie obviously did lie but her next like potential lie makes more sense that she and she and and matt are protecting gretchen because there was a request that gretchen you know that they were the protect gretchen now whether or not that's true we don't know because katie has lied but i think gretchen having a more of a blatant lie means that i just don't believe gretchen as much and slade's you know history of being sort of a housewives vengali does not work in his favor either so in this case i i'm going to side with katie i do believe that slade said something along the lines of like hey like don't like just let's not let's just deny everything deny everything i don't want this to become a whole mess and but now it has a hundred percent a whole

44:03Ronnie Karam: mess yeah yeah i mean it's a messy season because they're all lying so much and it's a couple crazy things are happening. One, you've got Katie. I mean, obviously, Katie goes to dinner with all the couples. Gretchen says, yeah, that night was really bad. I felt so sick in the morning. I went to the hospital and they tested me and I tested positive for something or whatever she says, which was probably just exaggerating. It was probably something like, I woke up and I was so sick I thought I had been roofied. But, you know, God knows what she actually said. Then Katie was so excited to get gossip that she immediately went out and started telling bloggers or a podcast host, which is not a blog, but still.

44:42Ronnie Karam: And then she got caught and then Slade was like, hey, keep this off camera. We don't want all this on camera. We just got Gretchen back on here. We don't want Brockles getting rid of Gretchen. So that is all amazing because they've all proven now to be such liars that actually Katie is believable now because everybody else is lying so much that it's made Katie believable, which is crazy. But the even crazier part is tamra is such a fucking mastermind that she was the one who perpetrated naked wasted and now she's got everybody else fighting over who's a bigger liar between gretchen and uh katie i mean yeah and you know that's pretty smooth you can say what you want about tamra but that's art

45:25Ben Mandelker: yeah someone someone in one of our instagram comments said something like gina keogh is the one who's getting away with murder because if you go back to the episode it's actually gina who tells Ryan to go check in.

45:35Ronnie Karam: Well, Gina's not on the season and Gina Keough's not on the season and it wasn't Gina's son with her hands all over Gretchen and making Gretchen's drinks all night. So, yes, Gina's also an asshole. And if you wheel her ass out here, we'll give her shit too. But right now, we're talking about Tamara because that's who's on here.

45:54Ben Mandelker: Now, the other thing is...

45:56Ronnie Karam: Sorry, that was pretty harsh, right? I didn't mean to you comment. I loved it. I was like, listen here, young lady.

46:03Ben Mandelker: I drove by a store today that was like that's had the name Kio on it. I was like, I wonder if that's like Gina Kio's daughter. I love that.

46:11Ronnie Karam: It sounded so rude. Sorry, commenter. I wasn't yelling at you. I'm just saying I read that book. I read All Diamonds and Rose and I listened to a lot of it because Amy Phillips voices it beautifully. And I did listen to it. I did read all that. But I don't. First of all, Gina, I believe. But I don't believe everything in that book. first of all because it's a lot of it is what the producers say and we all know we've been lied to by producers for 20 something years now so we should know better than to believe everything that comes out of a producer's mouth um but the gina thing yeah i mean gina was at fault too and vicky was greatly at fault too but people are leaving vicky out of it because we're talking about tamra and tamra is the one who brought this all back into our minds you know tamra is the one

46:53Ben Mandelker: brought back what's interesting to me is what i also can't figure out is when um when katie allegedly said this to kiki i'm wondering what katie's motivation was because i i can believe it going 50 50 in two ways i i can see 50 50 she's gonna bring some some some gossip that she's hoping that kiki will say on the air and we'll get tamra but i can honestly i can also imagine, I'm not, I really am not trying to be a kiddie apologist. I can really imagine a world where she thinks she's just like gossiping, like, Oh my God. And guess what I heard thinking like, Oh, naked waste was years ago. So who would care about that?

47:32Ben Mandelker: And then she sort of says it carelessly. And then all of a sudden it spirals into a big thing. And so I, I don't know. I wonder which way, which way do you think she was really, do you think she was trying to push a story or do you think she was being careless i see both things being totally viable and then i'm really split on

47:51Ronnie Karam: how how how it what her mindset mindset was i mean going to lunch like planning a lunch with someone who hosts a show on radio andy that gossips about housewives i mean maybe she just did it to kind of get curry favor because you know we know doing what we do a lot of people will do that they'll try and buddy up because they think we'll make fun of them less until they listen the next day but um you know they do do that but i think when you're sitting down with someone and you let information like that go i think she's definitely trying to come for tamra don't you i don't think she was trying to come for gretchen i think she was trying to come for for tamra because now she's all upset that gretchen's not standing behind her when she's like you did say that she doesn't understand the concept she just thinks that she probably because of how they've acted her first season yeah how they acted was like well katie this is all out in the public domain so you can't get mad at anybody for saying anything so she's thinking the same rules apply to her and she just doesn't have the numbers on her side you know yeah um

48:57Ben Mandelker: yeah i'm i'm interested there is a part of me that also thinks that if she she was telling kiki this with intention, I can imagine Katie thinking like, fuck Tamara and I'm going to help, I'm going to help Gretchen out. Like, you know, I'm just for Gretchen. I can almost imagine her thinking. And I, again, I'm not trying to be an apologist about this, but you know, it, it just is, this is such a funny controversy to me because it's so old. And also it's such a distraction from like, from what Tamara did and also from how Tam, what Tam's behavior has been all season. And so, I mean, Tamara is kind of a genius.

49:35Ben Mandelker: I mean, she drops really a stupid bomb. Like Katie told Kiki about like that you said that I roofied you. It's such a convoluted and like just it's just an old story thing. And it has gone off like wildfire.

49:50Ronnie Karam: I'm so sorry to interrupt you, but you just reminded me something that I was thinking about as I went to bed the other night. Because isn't this what everybody thinks about as they're trying to go to sleep? I was thinking for weeks, I've been saying, what is Tamara's motivation? Why in the world would Tamara say, why would she bring up the fact that she could even have possibly roofied Gretchen? It just doesn't make sense. What I think, I think I found the answer in my sleep the other day. The whole thing with Phaedra coming back, people were having a fit that Phaedra was coming back, even that she was put back on the traitors because they're saying, you accused Candy of trying to roofie Portia, which is a rape allegation, basically.

50:30Ronnie Karam: How dare you? And it kind of put Candy in this, like, not hero position, but it put Phaedra in the worst villain position ever in Housewives history, really. And deservedly so. Phaedra earned that one. I'm not standing up for that. Do you think that Tamara considered that the same thing and tried to get herself the same Candy edit by saying, like, look, someone over here is trying to accuse me of rape. and it's going to make her the ultimate villain of the show and it's going to make me kind of a hero in a way. I think she was reading old bad housewives humor in her, or not humor, but lore. I think she was remembering housewives lore in her mind and she was trying to use something from another show and it backfired on her because no one's going to think of that because we have the footage of you where anybody would believe that you did roofie her and your son was being such a fucking creep.

51:19Ronnie Karam: But just the way that Tamara looks at herself, I was thinking she was trying to give herself a candy at it.

51:26Ben Mandelker: I mean, I love the conspiratorial element of that. I don't think Tamara's thinking on that level personally. I think Tamara's thinking, let me say something that's going to turn these two against each other. And she's going to pretend to care about Gretchen's feelings like, oh, my God, Gretchen, can you believe she was saying this? She's making it sound like you're lobbing accusations. and I think that she was actually I mean there was there is an element of like she's saying these things that could put you in a situation that Phaedra was in but I don't think I think that she's merely just trying to turn people against each other because this is all an effort to isolate Katie and somehow this leads back my conspiracy is that somehow this leads back to the ongoing war of Tamra versus Shannon and I'm just trying to figure out how this all

52:16Ronnie Karam: works and i can't quite see a lot of the comments are split some people are like hell no and some people are like that makes sense um one of my favorite was d who said yes and then she said wait no so i think that's kind of where i fall on my own my own uh theory cgeb says tamrat is not that smart but she didn't pull it off so ultimately she wasn't that smart it wasn't a well thought out plan but i think tamra after the last season was so villainized you remember how quiet she was at the reunion, she wouldn't even speak. She was just like, yeah. And that's why I said, I'm sorry, guys. I'm a different person now.

52:52Ronnie Karam: I'm autistic. And so she was trying that whole thing in the last reunion because she got spanked online so much. And so I think that was going to be her play at having a hero at it this year, of being like, can you believe someone would accuse me of something like that? But that's only a half-baked theory. And yes, admitting it is a lot because it is admitting that I think of Tamara before I go to my mind. I think of these shows. I do. I'm like, what are they really doing? What are they doing to me?

53:19Ben Mandelker: Did you say this or did Courtney say it on two judgy girls that Katie and Tamara seem to be friends now? Or is that just a fabrication in my mind that I'm just spreading false?

53:30Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Tamara and Katie are friends now. Weird. What? Because now Katie and now Katie is against Gretchen because she's going to call Gretchen a liar, which puts her on Tamara's side because that's all Tamara's been wanting to do.

53:42Ben Mandelker: And also Tam and also Tamra breaks down Katie isolates her from the pack and then takes her in under her wing. And that's how Tamra also like gets her power in this group. This is how she like gets people like Gina and Emily like under her wing or even Heather, which is wild because Tamra spent an entire season trying to destroy Heather an entire season two seasons ago. and now heather is on the show such a tamra defender she's the one having you know lunches with tamra at that place with a hot waiter you know being like i am trying to find out what is going on with you and so i think that tamra has this like amazing technique of just like destroying isolating and then taking in these people yeah yep did we ever find that waiter by the way that did the there was like a lot of talk on friday like who is cody the waiter did anyone find him has cody been found i'm asking our audience right now oh god do people still look

54:44Ronnie Karam: for hot guys like that i mean what are you gonna do with them go you just want to look it's just a look just to go get your tiramisu from a hot guy huh no no i'm not i don't want

54:57Ben Mandelker: to go there i'm just saying we all just want to see his instagram etc you know it's cody Cody the hot waiter? You know.

55:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't care. I don't care about hot waiters. They're a dime a dozen, darling. All right. Let's go into... Sorry, Cody. I hope Cody's not somewhere, like, deflated. Because I was like, fuck hot waiters. Who needs them? Give me a good old ugly waiter anytime. They'll work harder. Okay, so Miami legal drama. Stephanie Shojai and her husband... Shohaji? How do you pronounce that? And I don't mean to be rude. I just don't want to be problematic. Shojai? Shojai maybe? Shojai? Okay, Stephanie Shojai and her husband, Old Balls Blaine owner, intend to sue former Real Housewives star Anna Kinonsis for defamation.

55:44Ronnie Karam: Oh, no, Anna. The boogeyman of Miami is Anna.

55:49Ben Mandelker: What happened now?

55:51Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, it's a video for some reason. I guess it's a clip. Anna Kooks, but it's with a Q-O-O-K-S. Anna Kooks. Breaking news. Reality Court has officially made it, folks. We've just received our first I intend to sue you for defamation letter. A real threat of a frivolous lawsuit, and we are going to have so much fun letting this play out in the court of public opinion. None of this would have been possible without our judgy something, judgy juror something, who tune in every week and keep us fueled with hot tea, side eye, and unsolicited opinions. because apparently she has been talking about all the gossip that Stephanie, and by the way, we can't be sued because I'm not coming out with this gossip.

56:38Ronnie Karam: I'm just repeating what I've already heard all over the internet from Rob the stylist. Okay, I heard this directly from Rob Stephanie stylist, okay? Okay, great. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. It's just shit that's been going around on the internet and YouTube videos, etc., that Stephanie was the wife's assistant at the company, and then she ended up basically stealing that lady's life and taking the husband and getting her out of the house and doing all of that stuff and now claiming that, you know, all this other stuff. So that's the goss. And I guess Anna was talking about it and is now going to get sued.

57:12Ronnie Karam: Oh my goodness. And somewhere I just heard Leah, she's here right now. She's in town right now. I just heard her saying, on my back.

57:25Ben Mandelker: maybe they'll bring Anna back for another scene where she awkwardly sits there and like doesn't do anything and we all get excited and then get let down I know she really is good on the bench

57:36Ronnie Karam: but man once you get her up there she's like never mind I don't want to be here anymore

57:40Ben Mandelker: bye she is awkward I'll always remember the season of Food Network Star that she was on and she was very ill-equipped for that show, which was hilarious. She was. What was her schtick? Cuban food, I think.

57:54Ronnie Karam: Was it Cuban? I think it was Cuban food. Yeah, but you can't just do... No, but I mean, what was her emotional schtick? Because you know how they all had to have the thing on it. I'm the sexy chef. And I'm the, you know...

58:05Ben Mandelker: I'm going to look. Anna Concosis. I never know how to say her last name. Food Network star. Concosis, I don't know. The skinny Latina. um i don't know food network star a day doesn't really have much what's the one thing you want to i'm trying to look there's there's not much i i don't know i don't know what her thing was i think it was just she was anakin i want to say it was sexy i i know that there was that was penny i know

58:37Ronnie Karam: that penny was sexy well a few of them have done like the sexy wasn't hers like romantic or like dating maybe it was she did something like that i don't know i don't remember but that's the point yeah that's why she didn't make it because we didn't remember

58:52Ben Mandelker: um can we do a piece of uh gossip that's um i feel like we never even addressed but i'm looking at one of these articles about southern hospitality rumors and i don't know how we missed it but i didn't realize that will culp was fired from the show um or that he's leaving but people are saying that he was fired because he didn't go to that reunion. And now, I guess that happened last month, this news. And now the gossip is Ali, aka Ali Bali, has been hanging out with the cast a lot. And the rumor is maybe she might be on the show. Although I guess the source is saying she doesn't have a role in the show.

59:34Ben Mandelker: She won't be a cast member. Would you want to see Ali Bali on Southern Hospitality?

59:41Ronnie Karam: no not really but i'm not like anti or anything i thought she was a very nice girl on vanderpump rules and i certainly feel for what she went through with james but i don't know what she has to offer other than just being like yeah guys give him another chance like i don't really remember anything that she did she was nice though maybe they could use that or maybe she could be like the card reader when that flaky ass grace lily's like oh my god i got my chakras did y 'all. I got my chakras did by this girl.

1:00:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Nice. And bring her on. That sounds very accurate. That's exactly what her role will be on the show.

1:00:23Ronnie Karam: I can see that. Wow, the time has really flown. It is time to talk to you, the listeners. So the audio portion of this that goes out to the public is ending now. So thank you so much, everybody, for being here. If you guys want to come on camera and chat with us, we're every Monday at 5.30 Pacific time. Just join us on the link that we're about to provide and we'll talk to you next time.

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1:01:32Ronnie Karam: Kristen the Piston Anderson. Get a bee in your bonnet with Lacey B. Que sera, sera, whatever we'll be, we'll Lauren Sillsby. Brigging the funk, it's Leslie Plunkett. She gets an A from us, it's Lindsay D. Let's give a kisserino to Lisa Lino. Fresh as a daisy, it's Maisie McHenry. We love her on the rocks, it's Melissa Cox. Megan Berg, you can't have a burger without the Berg.

1:01:56Ben Mandelker: This is Livin' with Michelle Vivian.

1:01:59Ronnie Karam: I love a ya, Olivia Williamson. Tastier than Flanderson, it's Rachel Manderson.

1:02:04Ben Mandelker: She sure is swell. It's Raquel.

1:02:07Ronnie Karam: Yes, we canna. It's Sadana.

1:02:09Ben Mandelker: Cast a spell with Shannon Spellman. Let's share with Sharon Eldridge. Darn Skippy, it's Tippi.

1:02:15Ronnie Karam: And our super premium sponsors. She's VVIP. It's Amanda V. Can't lose when you're with Amy Baldwin.

1:02:22Ben Mandelker: Somebody get us 10 cc's of Betsy MD.

1:02:25Ronnie Karam: We're taking the gold with Brenda Silva. Let's get real with Caitlin O 'Neill. Don't get salty with Christine Pepper.

1:02:32Ben Mandelker: can't have a meal without the Emily sides who what why where and Gwen Pentland let's go into

1:02:39Ronnie Karam: the woods with Guy Tubbs it's our queen it's Queen Laifa nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall

1:02:46Ben Mandelker: hail the cork master the master of the cork Jennifer Corcoran we got our wish it's Jen Plish she's not harsh she's Jill Hirsch my favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo we love him madly It's Kyle Pod Chadley In the study with a candlestick It's Leslie Peacock G it's Lisa H We're ride or die for Lisa Ryder Baron She's a whiz it's Liz Sarthy Always killing it it's Lo Alkalani

1:03:11Ronnie Karam: The incredible edible Matthew Sisters She eases our woes It's Melissa St. Rose There's a chance of meatballs It's Rebecca Cloud Neat it's Ronit Feldman

1:03:21Ben Mandelker: She's the queen bee it's Sarah Lemke We cannot tell a lie it's Sarah Telafsun Shannon out of a can and Anthony. Please don't stop. It's solely in pop. Let's take off with Tam La Plain.

1:03:34Ronnie Karam: It's always a good time when you're wasting time with Bravo. She ain't no shrinking Violet Kuchar. We love you guys. This episode is sponsored by McDonald's.

1:03:46Ben Mandelker: I'm having my hot Caesar summer, Ronnie. Yes. Caesar sauce. I feel like we don't talk about Caesar sauce enough because it's so, so good. I love to dip everything into it. Have you ever dipped fries in Caesar sauce before?

1:03:57Ronnie Karam: I mean, I just have. It is delicious. Caesar sauce is like a Parmesan, garlicky blend with some lemon in it. And you can dip anything in there.

1:04:06Ben Mandelker: One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go to the drive-thru and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the Caesar sauce. Also, the Krispy's drips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good.

1:04:20Ronnie Karam: Listen, I say if you put Caesar sauce on something, that automatically makes it better. Yes, that's really all you need is the Caesar sauce.

1:04:28Ben Mandelker: I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times.

1:04:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I'm a straight up French fry and Caesar sauce kind of a boy. That's what I love. And that's how I'm going to go down.

1:04:40Ben Mandelker: Right now at participating McD's, the$2.99 Caesar snack wrap is making me rethink my go-to order.

1:04:49Ronnie Karam: Caesar sauce at participating McDonald's for a limited time. Prices and participation may vary.

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