#2994 Crappy Hour 9-8-2025: RHOC Mess

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0:34Ronnie Karam: Stassi's back, making an entrance and making it unforgettable in the new series House of Stassi.

0:40Ben Mandelker: Watch new episodes Wednesdays on Freeform and streaming on Hulu. Reality royalty returns, unfiltered, unpredictable, and unafraid to say the quiet part out loud. Calm on the outside, crisis on the inside.

0:51Ronnie Karam: Get ready for a raw inside look at her world, balancing family, friends, career, and chaos. No apologies, no holding back.

1:00Ben Mandelker: It's Stassi, direct from the source and nothing like anything you've seen before. From her husband Bo's crossroads.

1:07Ronnie Karam: To bestie Katie M's brutal truth bombs to constant sister strife.

1:12Ben Mandelker: Expect tons of inner circle shade.

1:15Ronnie Karam: Amid the dreams, the drama, and the dark passenger, she's willing to not just challenge the status quo, but change all the rules.

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2:01Ronnie Karam: Well, hello and welcome to Crappy Hour. I'm Ronnie and that's Ben over there. Hi, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How are you? I'm good. Do you know why? Why? Because this episode of Crappy Hour is proudly brought to you guys by Virgin Voyages. Woo-hoo! Love it. So tonight we're pretty much coming to you from Dex Kingdom. All right? Thanks, Virgin. Thanks for being here. We love you guys. Thanks for being here. Pretend we're on a boat. Okay.

2:35Ben Mandelker: Hi, Ronnie. How was your weekend? Hi there. So good to see you.

2:39Ronnie Karam: It was a great weekend. It sucks that it's over as it does every time a weekend ends. I just, I sleep so much. I don't know if something's wrong with me. I mean, if something's wrong with me, it's been wrong with me my whole life, but God, I just love to sleep. It's a problem.

2:53Ben Mandelker: Well, it seems like it's not just the weekend that's over. It seems like your porn sash has disappeared. What happened to it?

3:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I think I'll bring it back next week. I was trying to trim it today because it was a little bit unruly, and I trimmed it uneven, so I looked like I had a hang. Not a hangnail. What do you call a hang lip? I looked like I had a hang lip. Cleft lip. Cleft lip. Oh, cleft palate. I'm a Joaquin. I can't pull that off, you know? Okay. Okay. So it was bad aiming.

3:24Ben Mandelker: It was bad aiming with a shaver. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sorry. It happens to all of us at some point or another. What did you do this weekend? Well, my parents are here in town. So I've been having lots of fun time with my parents. Yes, we went to restaurants and watched TV and cooked some food. So we've just been having a very nice, calm time. And, you know, because of our sort of Bravo dread at the moment, and I haven't had to subject them to as many Real Housewives shows as usual, which is too bad. Well, tonight they're going to get to watch.

4:00Ronnie Karam: Oh, you love your what? Sorry.

4:02Ben Mandelker: No, I was going to say, I love my mom's withering opinions on the Real Housewives.

4:05Ronnie Karam: Oh, well, so good to give them tonight, because tonight you get to watch Real Housewives of London. Yes, I'm so excited. Yeah, you guys have been asking for Real Housewives of London recaps, so we're not going to do the whole thing because it's not playing here in America, but we are going to do the first episode this week because you know we don't have anything you know what else has been really good which i've been watching um is real uh not real house lives but secret lives of mormon wives i know i'm really behind everybody but we covered the first season and the second season we didn't because we had enough shows and i just watched the whole thing wow wow those girls get down and dirty i mean that show is so dark and they act so nice even when they're stabbing each other right in the back like here's how i feel about you you're stupid bitch and I hope your whole family dies in a fire.

4:55Ben Mandelker: I really have to get back into it because I really loved the first season, but the second season came around and I was like there's too much. There's too much going on. We've got a lot to do with the Bravo. I'm just like I can't take this on right now. And then I lost momentum so I'm a little sad. Plus I heard that Great British Bake Off is back so I'm also like really excited to dive back into that. So there's just like TV is happening.

5:19Ronnie Karam: Remember when we did those recaps? That was so fun doing those recaps. It was fun, too. But anyway, here we are. But anyway, here we are under the tent to discuss Bravo Headlines of the Week. What stood out to you this week, or the past couple of weeks, actually, in Bravo Headlines? Man, what are you thinking?

5:38Ben Mandelker: Well, I think the thing that stood out to me is a little bit old news by now. But Karen Huger is out of jail. There's no new update since we last discussed it, so there's not much to discuss there. but I just wanted to acknowledge the grand dame. Okay. This is the first crappy hour she gets to listen to since she's been out of jail. So that's great.

5:55Ronnie Karam: Well, obviously that's great. I would like to congratulate the prison for getting rid of Karen because you know that she had to be making them effing crazy. They just kept making that get out day earlier and earlier. You know, she made them insane and you know, they can breathe easily today knowing that Karen is no longer in there. Can I get a softer pillow? I don't deserve this.

6:18Ben Mandelker: I need a better pillow, please. Security, security. They're like, the only thing around you is security. You can't keep calling out for us. They're like, what? What do you want? You call me one more time. They're very responsive here. You know, here's something I would actually like to talk about, which is not hard hitting or major, but I think it's a nice human interest story to kick off our hour. Okay. and the thing that has jumped out to me is news that Carl Radke takes People Magazine inside Hall, Softbar, Hall, Non-Alcoholic Venture. I'd like to dedicate this to all the

6:58Ronnie Karam: people who said I can't do it. I did it, kind of. It's almost open. It's almost open. Not really open yet, but I'd like to prove that I'm making strides by not wearing white jeans that are tight he's wearing jeans in this picture actual jeans and i don't know how i feel about it carl

7:14Ben Mandelker: i feel like he he may no longer like he doesn't need to have jeans that are skin tight because he just has skin that's skin tight at the moment i mean it's like lucky him god i'm jealous he is it's like it's he is aging in a you know we all age it happens to each and every one of us there's no point in shaming people but what is happening to carl what is happening to our sweet carl like this man like he just he looks so weathered like like what what what has he been doing

7:45Ronnie Karam: who is in a relationship with lindsey i mean if that doesn't weather you i mean that's a constant

7:50Ben Mandelker: storm oh my goodness okay so you know what my neighbors in texas while i was away while i've

7:59Ronnie Karam: been away have just been doing whatever they want i live in a unit where there's two places on one lot so i'm very close with the neighbors we're like a foot from each other okay and open that coke ben i hope that's it's actually that you're opening it's actually just seltzer just seltzer water so my neighbors decided they're gonna get a sprinkler system one of those hose things that has sprinklers in it so you don't like actually put the sprinklers in it's like a hose thing anyway they they aimed this right at my freaking bedroom window okay so the first night I'm home. I thought I thought it was gunshots.

8:32Ronnie Karam: Honestly, I felt like the guy from below deck. I was like, I woke up with gunshots. It was like gunshots. It was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So what the hell is that? I jumped out of bed. I went out there, the freaking sprinkler. God knows how long it's been aimed right at my window. It's not like they can't hear that it's aimed right at my window, machine gunning me. And the whole thing is not the windows not cracked, but all the, all the, um, the paint and stuff is coming off the window now. And let me tell you what it looks like it looks weathered it looks weathered so i think that's what you're trying to say that was a long way of getting to you know what carl just suffered from years of lindsey machine gunning him in the face with her water spat yeah okay and i think maybe that's why

9:10Ben Mandelker: he looks weathered but yeah i sometimes forget that and i feel kind of like a dick because like he's weathered like it's just it's something that's what happens to people it's what happens to people. But sometimes I'm just so shocked with Carl. And he has taken, he takes us on to this tour. There I am. Softball opening soon. So it opened up over Labor Day weekend.

9:32Ronnie Karam: I would like to point out that Ronnie did not call me weathered, Ben did, because Ronnie respects Ronnie respects my fish oil game.

9:40Ben Mandelker: So go ahead. Yeah, no, well, you know, make me unleash the monster in me and

9:45Ronnie Karam: there's no turning back.

9:48Ben Mandelker: But But Carl, he opened this, of course, over Labor Day weekend, soft bar, because that's when they're going to be probably shooting the season finale of Summer House. Loonfee's not the only one going into labor this year. Not to be competitive. Not to be competitive. So we actually get like a tour of it. And, you know, the truth is the place looks great. It like visually, it looks like very like it looks beautiful. But I'm not going to kick a popsicle out of my drink.

10:16Ronnie Karam: I'll tell you that much. He's got a popsicle right in a drink here. Look at this. A popsicle covered with what? Cumin and chili. And that looks crazy. I'm not.

10:25Ben Mandelker: I don't know if it's just imagine that it's just imagine that it's Austin's tongue licking glass.

10:32Ronnie Karam: Ben, I don't know that I'm going to. Maybe that's why they're charging you 20 bucks for a drink or whatever, because they're putting a popsicle in there. Look at that. I don't know. Here's here's here's my concern.

10:43Ben Mandelker: My concern is this. First of all, like the ongoing, like if you, if you listen to his tour, he's like whole over here. We have some really functional cocktails. Or if you need some functional rehabilitation, it's all like some functional, like everything's functional, which I'm like, I cannot believe that this is the true use of the word function. I don't think that's right. But second of all, I, as far as nice as it looks, it's kind of.

11:03Ronnie Karam: What if you had a non-functional cocktail over there? What if you just got it? You're like, this is, what if it was just like a cup of screws? And you're like, wait a minute. why did you why did you why is there hardware in my cup well it's functional it's not fine it's literally not a drink carl get me a drink dysfunctional but i just my worry is it kind of

11:25Ben Mandelker: gives me we work vibes kind of gives me like you know student student center at college it's like where you go you put up a poster to say that you want to like join some sort of like fencing club or something. I don't know. I'm just like, I just worry that that good guy clause is going to be invoked very quickly. I don't know. I actually want him to succeed. Good guy clause. Despite everything, I want Carl to succeed. It just looks nice. Sometimes

11:51Ronnie Karam: it looks very pretty, but you have a whole bar. I have to say you have a whole bar here and well, I guess this is the soft opening of soft. So it wasn't really the opening. And I mean, you can tell because the bar only has a TV that looks like a microwave and then you have, you you know, a few bottles. There's not really a lot in here. It looks like the little room in the Hyatt place that you get snacks, you know?

12:14Ben Mandelker: It's just, it's, yeah, it's just, it's so big. It's so cavernous. And as he talks about, he's like, we could have events here. We could do this here. We could do that here. We could do that here. I'm like, oh no, this is, this just feels so hopeless. Pregnant women come to talk.

12:28Ronnie Karam: You remember that? Yeah, we're going to have events where pregnant women talk about stuff. You know, they can speak. I wanted it to be a place for the community, the pregnant community, the Williamsburg I don't know

12:41Ben Mandelker: I don't know but this is the latest update so soft is soft launched and I guess we'll see maybe a Bravo con I guarantee a Bravo con he's gonna have some like very Austin style kind of trailer they'll be like what are those like trailers that you attach the back it's like so they're sort of like round wheels I love one of those like a little food serving yeah like remember when we got those bagels in Austin like a few months ago. Remember we stopped by that little trailer? Oh, yeah. I think it's going to be like one of those trailers and I'll be serving soft drinks at BravoCon. That is my prediction and I'm sure there'll be like a fake palm tree and like a flamingo.

13:18Ben Mandelker: I'm going to say that right now.

13:20Ronnie Karam: Someone is asking why is the sign so small? I had to look at the picture to see. It looks like it says so feet or square feet. So feet. Right? Like square feet. Love the color of the outside This is my blue I love this kind of blue What a beautiful blue I don't know The exterior paint is great Good for him I mean I'm a dick too though When I saw this My first thought was Is it open or not? Because it's not It's like we're gonna open It's like a welcome party Before we open Open the fucking Open it

13:57Ben Mandelker: You're making me crazy now Open it yeah it looks great looks great i just have concerns that's that's really where i'm at

14:05Ronnie Karam: everyone okay well you know what concerns noted uh but congratulations carl all all fucking with you aside good for you getting that thing yeah congratulations um also didn't they say that's ten thousand dollars a month that doesn't look very expensive for ten thousand dollars a month i say you're getting a bargain good garclaws um okay i mean so that was my that was my

14:29Ben Mandelker: human interest story to start off the episode. What's on your mind, Ronnie?

14:34Ronnie Karam: There have been some rumors of Real Housewives of New Jersey. Are they filming? Are they not? Who's coming back? Who's not coming back? We had Melissa Gorga and Danielle Cabral over at the some awards show. What was it? MTV Music Videos. Is that what that is? Oh, the MAs. Then we had And Marge making an Instagram post that was something like, the bitch is back. Something like that. And people were like, does this mean you're back? I was like, no, it doesn't really mean anything. It was just a post. What do you want from me?

15:12Ben Mandelker: I'm about to post words. It was just words. Words in a post. I was talking about Sabrina. She's back in Tenafly after spending the entire summer in Prague. It's Czech Republic. Okay, bitch is back.

15:23Ronnie Karam: And then there have been rumors that they've been doing test filming with the Real Housewives of New Jersey with Melissa, Margaret, and Jenny. Just kidding. Melissa, Margaret, and who's the other one? Dolores, I guess, would be the returners. Dolores, for sure. But that they're supposedly leaving Teresa out, that they're doing tests without Teresa. So I don't know if any of that's true. That's just some goss on the internet.

15:49Ben Mandelker: I just don't think that Bravo is dropping Teresa. I just don't think so. I think if the concern is that Louis might be a liability, I think Bravo doesn't mind. It's the sort of mess that Bravo likes. I think Jen Aiden is gone. I think that What's Her Face is probably gone. I don't even remember her name. You know, the one with the ski jump nose.

16:13Ronnie Karam: Oh, wasn't that another Danielle? What was that girl's name? The girl whose husband owned it?

16:18Ben Mandelker: Fooda, fooda, Rachel Fooda. Rachel Fooda, Rachel Fooda.

16:20Ronnie Karam: What was the tile company? Yeah, the tile empire. Tile empire. I don't even think. We love tiles. And my husband's very serious about tiles. And you're coming from my husband right now? Yeah, I don't know. I don't need her back, really. I don't even think Danielle Cabral's back. I need her back.

16:37Ben Mandelker: She was crazy. I need her dad back, crying into his fist. Oh! Oh! My daughters don't speak to each other. Oh! My daughter, my son, and that is. Maybe that's why they don't talk to me. Because I called him a daughter. Oh! But he's like a daughter. Oh!

16:54Ronnie Karam: My brother doesn't talk to me. You are the fucking piece. Yeah, I like that girl. I think she's cray cray, and I want her back for sure. Now, Bravo has come up against a lot in the past few years with the reality reckoning, a lot of people threatening lawsuits. And we've seen them kind of react scared in that they haven't settled any of these lawsuits, so they're not scared in that way. But they have kind of backed down in some of their theories. They've tried to show us a softer side of Bravo, I think. I don't know how well it's going.

17:24Ben Mandelker: Like Sears. Yeah, they've tried.

17:26Ronnie Karam: And they're trying to show, like, we're not scared, but we're listening. Well, let me tell you what will scare them. Teresa fans, if Teresa doesn't come back. Because Teresa fans will firebomb NBCUniversal. They'll do it. They'll do it. Yeah, they will. They will. They're not fucking around. So I don't see Bravo doing that. And I think that they, maybe not afraid of Teresa, but definitely afraid of, you know, Teresa's stans. I shouldn't say fans, because, you know, you're allowed to be a fan of somebody. I'm a fan of Teresa. but you know the stands like the real cray craze yeah i just think that theresa i think i think

18:00Ben Mandelker: bravo she's just too much too big too big she's unsinkable i think bravo's keeping her i think she'll be there you know well yeah i feel like was she just on a show i feel like she was just

18:12Ronnie Karam: on a show i know villains or something didn't she just do villains or one of those she did villains

18:17Ben Mandelker: but i thought there was something else that she was on but either way i just have a hard time thinking that she's not on it. I think that rumor is like started by Danielle Cabral. I think she puts it out there. She's like, hey, Nate, go tell people, go tell Dave Quinn, go tell Dave Quinn, Teresa's out. Okay, Cabral's in. Tell everyone, tell everyone a kid's bop too, by the way. Let's get two stones with one bird, okay?

18:40Ronnie Karam: I have a personal question in here from Britt. Actually, she says, did I miss any Bobcat updates? Nope, there haven't been any more, and I've literally sat at that window playing the piano i mean my practice has gone up because i've been searching for that bobcat it has not come back um and i'm very sad but you know i do still have bueller i can't be just inviting a bobcat over and then it gets big no you cannot you know what i mean so i have to be i have to be good i'm doing like nature i'm just doing the nature thing where i'm sitting behind a window and just searching for it and sending my love that way but i'm not leaving out food or anything i'm not crazy because i'm the idiot who would be friend of bobcat and then it kills me You know, I'm one of those people who's like, but the, the bobcat ate my face.

19:20Yeah.

19:21Ben Mandelker: Also let's hold, hold some space for the fact that it might be a mountain lion. So mountain lion babies do have spots as well. That's what people have been messaging me to, to warn you about, by the way, which is like, don't befriend a, just know that mama's nearby. Okay. And what mama wants, mama gets careful. also people are saying that maybe what we're thinking about is that Teresa and Gia are both on Special Forces on Fox and I think that was it. Did anyone even watch that show? That's just a show that exists I don't, maybe not I feel like Special Forces exists solely to get us to react to their casting but no one actually watches it.

20:06Ben Mandelker: I don't think they actually even aired the show. I think they just make casting announcements and they release clips and then that's it. Then it's a wrap because I don't know anyone who watches that show.

20:15Ronnie Karam: um i don't either it seems i don't know maybe it's like people who are really into like war stuff you know like those guys like i have a couple friends who are like bro did you watch bands of brothers like no not no i mean every time we start talking about tv shows they're like that's like one of the best things of all time i think they're just people who are just like into war

20:35Ben Mandelker: stuff you know they do there are people that love war stuff and it's just not me i just don't i don't

20:42Ronnie Karam: find it fascinating but you know the thought of theresa and gia is scary right and war my goodness can we just stop just stop at all all right just stop you want to fuck with me you want to fuck with me theresa going up against putin actually i was just now i'm in i just talked

21:00Ben Mandelker: myself i know this show it sounds great i was reading an article today about um how uh tank like not like tank camouflage has evolved rapidly over the past three years because of drones and the fighting in ukraine and so um they've been having to modify all these tanks to make them partially to camouflage from drones but also like drones will drop like a grenade on them so they have to like add this other thing on top of it and then the drones will fly into the thing and then they have to add chains and the drones will get underneath that do all these modifications which is not unlike being a real housewife in the first place and second of all i just love the idea of like Teresa potentially like modding out a tank and just doing it all wrong.

21:40Ben Mandelker: Just making it look like a big gaudy tacky luxury car. They're like wait a minute

21:45Ronnie Karam: why are meatballs being dropped all over the Ukraine?

21:52Ronnie Karam: Teresa's in charge of the drones too. Oh no.

22:00Ronnie Karam: Oh war. Hilarious. So Alexi Omansky got married to someone named Jake Zingerman, and he must be rich, because otherwise, why would you marry somebody whose last name is Zingerman? You know that that guy's annoying. He's like, Zing!

22:15Ben Mandelker: He may have deli access, because there's Zingerman's Deli of Ann Arbor. Hello, come on to my Zingerman's Deli people out there. Hello, hi-fi. I made a reference. Zingerman Deli? Who is this person?

22:31Ronnie Karam: He looks like a tall version of Josh Altman in little pictures. Let me see. He does

22:39Ronnie Karam: I'm going to say this right now This is a wedding picture Her dress is pretty Mauricio looks like he's in guys and dolls I'm not sure what he's doing Yes Look be a lady tonight Listen look be a lady tonight That's all I'm saying

22:57Ben Mandelker: I love Mayor Winningham On the right I love this lady who is probably the mother Of the groom And she's just like pulled into this like world of Beverly Hills plastic surgery and fillers. And she's like, what the fuck am I standing next to right now? I just want my son to be happy. Mama Zingerman. Yeah.

23:17Ronnie Karam: Mama Zingerman's like, is this a wedding or a convention for cabbage patch doll faces? Zing! Mama Zingerman got one in there.

23:28Ben Mandelker: Mama Zingerman looks like she already cannot stand Kyle at all. Look at her. She's like, this one I have to stand next to? I brought my best angled angled purse. I got my best angle rippled purse here. I got to stand next to this one.

23:43Ronnie Karam: Yeah, they had maroon as their color, I guess. That was a big thing. I've never seen, I don't think I've seen maroon as a color since like high school. Maroon was my junior high color.

23:52Ben Mandelker: Only five people could wear it though. Did you know only five people could wear it? Where's that from?

23:59Ronnie Karam: Oh.

24:01Ben Mandelker: Zing!

24:02Ronnie Karam: What are you, a cousin of the Zingerman's?

24:04Ben Mandelker: You just got Zingerman'd.

24:06Ronnie Karam: It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

24:13Ben Mandelker: This episode is supported by FX's The Shards, a seductive drama from executive producer Ryan Murphy. Set in 1980s Los Angeles, the series follows a group of glamorous, deeply entangled high school seniors drawn into a life of wealth, beauty, parties, and excess.

24:30Ronnie Karam: At its center is Brett, whose reality begins to unravel when the arrival of a new student coincides with a series of mysterious murders.

24:38Ben Mandelker: FX's The Shards premieres August 5th on FX and Hulu. It's a new era, a new reality, and a new obsession.

24:47Ronnie Karam: Stassi's back, making an entrance and making it unforgettable in the new series House of Stassi.

24:53Ben Mandelker: Watch new episodes Wednesdays on Freeform and streaming on Hulu. Reality royalty returns. Unfiltered, unpredictable, and unafraid to say the quiet part out loud. Calm on the outside, crisis on the inside.

25:04Ronnie Karam: Get ready for a raw inside look at her world, balancing family, friends, career, and chaos. No apologies, no holding back.

25:13Ben Mandelker: It's Stassi. Direct from the source, and nothing like anything you've seen before. From her husband Bo's crossroads.

25:20Ronnie Karam: To bestie Katie M's brutal truth bombs, to constant sister strife.

25:25Ben Mandelker: Expect tons of inner circle shade.

25:28Ronnie Karam: Amid the dreams, the drama, and the dark passenger, she's willing to not just challenge the status quo, but change all the rules.

25:36Ben Mandelker: Don't miss one of reality TV's most iconic voices on her terms. Prepare yourself for the good, the bad, and the Stassi. Watch the new series House of Stassi. New episodes Wednesdays on Freeform and streaming on Hulu.

25:55Ronnie Karam: so a photo came out that was uh kyle put a photo out i think on her instagram and it was kyle of course erica rinna and teddy and i don't know if she said fox force four if that was somebody else who said it but everyone's like oh my god where's to read and she said to read and set and we're both at the wedding but they didn't make the picture so they're not part of the five that's

26:19Ben Mandelker: that's intentional by the way when that happens that's not my accident that's what i said i was

26:24Ronnie Karam: Like, don't act like the one picture you post of your friends and say the Fox Force 4 or whatever. You just leave out Dorit on accident, ma 'am. How dare you? How dare you? That is something's up with that.

26:38Ben Mandelker: Yeah, because I think I saw a picture of Bose from the wedding as well, right? Wasn't Bose there or no?

26:44Ronnie Karam: I don't know. I didn't really look at that many pictures. I just honestly copied and pasted the link.

26:49Ben Mandelker: are you saying you're not obsessed with Alexia Umansky's wedding to a rando? Wow. I can't believe it. Yeah.

26:58Ronnie Karam: But good for her, I guess. You know, that's still something people do. So, get married. So, good for her. Yay. What do you want to talk about next?

27:08Ben Mandelker: Well, I think it's time that we, it's time to

27:12Ronnie Karam: talk about Orange County stuff, right? It's time. Yeah, we have to get on. Well, let's talk about one thing first. Because I think Real Housewives of Orange County is going to take the rest of the time. So Brittany Cartwright goes on romantic Mexican getaway with a new boyfriend after his wife blasts him online. Brittany Cartwright and her new boyfriend Brandon Hanson packed on the PDA in steamy new pics in photos obtained by blah blah blah. Who cares? They go to Cabo together. I can't tell if he's cute or not honestly. He's got glasses on the whole time. Is he? I can't tell.

27:48Ben Mandelker: He's cute from some angles. Not cute from other angles. I'm going to say not cute overall. I'm going to look at tattoos. I'm going to say he is not cute. Sorry.

27:59Ronnie Karam: Okay, well, here, I'll show everybody on the screen so you can see him. So this is him. So they had all these pictures on the beach. Yeah, I'm going to go with not cute. I don't, these tattoos. I'm going to say you're not cute because of tattoos, but that's all I can see, sir. So sorry. Let's see. So then he, I'm trying to get to the picture that was so offensive. There's, oh, this one here. So see how he's like touching her belly and she's taking a picture and he's like licking out her earwax with his tongue and all that good stuff. So Gigi, dun, dun, dun. Gigi made a post. And she said something along here.

28:36Ronnie Karam: I'm trying to get it up now.

28:37Ben Mandelker: Well, Nessa, not Gigi Hadid for those, you know, because they do exist in the Bravo universe together. This is, okay, go on. See what Gigi said.

28:45Ronnie Karam: Gigi said something I'm looking for the quote here but I don't see it Gigi said something like is she pregnant or what because his hand's on her belly and she looks pregnant like is this a pregnancy announcement you don't do that what's wrong with you and you've been pregnant

29:00Ben Mandelker: you know what you do do that if you were on the valley golden essa style or Persian style because then you're like that's their way of saying guess what our show's coming soon we're going to start a rivalry with the other show by saying something rude to someone else. I'm not saying I approve it, but like to me, as soon as I saw that Gigi was in like a nascent feud with Britney, I was like, I know what this is all about. She's trying to get that hype going for her version of the Valley.

29:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So I guess that's what happened. So of course, Kristen got all pissed off. I was like, oh, Dario, I went off on Gigi. And then Gigi went back off on her and was like, you don't want words with me. If you think you're going to have words with me, you're going to get some words. And you like words? You're about to get some words. Wordy. Wordy. Watch out. Watch out for those words. It's a Gigi. It's a typical Gigi post. I didn't really understand what it said, but I knew it was threatening. I felt very threatened by it. She's like, you want a piece of me? Come on and get a piece of me. I'm Gigi from the Valley, baby.

30:09Ronnie Karam: Gigi from the Valley. Come get your piece. Chris was like, you come for my friend, you come for me. And then Zach Lickham was like, um, how dare you? How dare you come for a pregnant woman? So I'm not really sure, but they're all in the three. And then Brittany went on her podcast and was like, yo, you know, I don't got no beef with GG, but it ain't nice to body shame nobody.

30:34Ben Mandelker: But it ain't nice to do that.

30:37Ronnie Karam: But some people are like, she's not body shaming you. She's literally asking if you were doing a pregnancy. thing because she was he was holding her belly i mean i don't i don't know but i'm an idiot listen socially i'm an idiot i put my foot in my mouth all the time we all know it okay there's nothing to deny there i'm the worst even i know not to do that gg i mean come on yeah you never ask if

30:59Ben Mandelker: someone's pregnant you let them offer that okay you you don't you don't you don't enter that

31:05Ronnie Karam: into evidence on your on your behalf but to be fair you know how i know that because i've done it before so i you know i did burn my hand that way one time when i was waiting tables many years ago it's in my early 20s just a little babe in the woods and um i said what do you do to somebody oh hell no oh oh no order you just you should have said to order more food because it looks

31:28Ben Mandelker: like you don't have enough come on let's get you some more food eating for two yeah that was I have other things I actually want to talk about before we get to OC. I just really, I just remembered an article that I really enjoyed highlighted. The headline was how Harry Styles swooped in like Cinderella's Prince. Hello. It's called Prince charming to help real housewife star avoid disaster at star studded Parisian wedding. So of course I fell for the clickbait. I was like, who is Harry Styles interfacing with? I thought it was going to be Lisa Rinna. It was, of all people, Carol Radziwell. Carol was climbing up a staircase and her dress was too heavy.

32:17Ben Mandelker: And her friend turned around to take a photo of her. And then he introduced Harry Styles to save her.

32:24Ronnie Karam: Oh, my gosh. Yeah, so she's got that young man on her arm again.

32:31Ben Mandelker: Yet again. I know. Well, I have to say I was happy for her. I was like, you know, there's a lot of real housewives that try to interface with, like, the truly famous. And she did it. So, you know, I say good for her. Good for her. She got some Harry Styles. He looked gorgeous. I'm not even a Harry Styles person. I was like, he looked so handsome right there next to Carol Radswell. I don't know. Maybe she can swim away from Zoe.

32:54Ronnie Karam: Did you see the interview where she was talking about being friends with Robert F. Kennedy? Whatever, RFK? and they're like, what's up with you being so liberal and being friends with RFK? And she's like, well, you know, he wasn't into that whole like anti-conspiracy or anti-vaccinations and all of that. I mean, he was just a guy. He was just a nice guy. I mean, he did have the roadkill. Like, that was his thing. Like, he would find roadkill and he would keep it in his car and, you know, you'd get in there and it'd stink. I mean, it just smelled like death. His van smelled like death. So, uh...

33:30Ben Mandelker: She's really batting 100 between RFK and Jislein Maxwell. I mean, look, Carol's just killing it right now.

33:41Ronnie Karam: Oh, someone says, didn't she date RFK Jr.? Oh, wow, did they date? Yikes. How could you date somebody when you get on the phone and they're like, Oh, would you like to go have a dinner? I don't think his voice...

33:58Ben Mandelker: To be fair, his voice did not sound like that 20 years ago. Oh, it didn't?

34:04Ronnie Karam: I don't know. I'm just realizing how little attention I pay to the news because I saw a clip of him on the news today. I was like, he talks like that? Did he get sick? Is that why? Am I making fun of someone?

34:18Ben Mandelker: It's a condition. I looked it up. He has a condition of spasming. Honestly, don't feel bad. Don't feel bad for shipping RFK. Really? We can shame this man.

34:28Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Well, I think you're still not supposed to make fun of sick people, but I don't know. It's hard because we like doing voices.

34:34Ben Mandelker: And he's like, oh, yeah. I'll make fun of someone who'll make other people sick. How about that? So then, by the way, Debbie in the comments noted she didn't date JFK Jr. She was married to his cousin, Anthony, I think was his name.

34:49Ronnie Karam: You had a brain worm there saying in the comments. Thanks, you guys. God, you know what? We should just always be on here so I could learn things. Robert Kennedy had a brain probably from fucking dead things in his van. Don't those worms worm their way in there? Okay, Ben, go ahead. I'm so sorry.

35:05Ben Mandelker: No, actually, someone actually gave the actual medical diagnosis, which is that his condition is being an utter asshat. I don't know if that's... Thank you, Angela and CA.

35:18Ronnie Karam: Well, I've suffered from that for sure.

35:21Ben Mandelker: To be fair, we all have. It goes around. it's happening right now perhaps to me um uh the other thing that the last thing i want to talk about ronnie because i saw this and i saw this picture on instagram and i was not happy about it craig and madison the croix are going to be guest judges on top chef madison fine like i'll i'm down for madison she is born for corn so give her a corn challenge but craig as a as as a as a judge on Top Chef. I'm just not sure why I buy that one. It'll be like, um, like, um, you know, this tastes a lot like trying to make a relationship work and buying a ring and just, like, not being loved in return.

36:02Ben Mandelker: So, yeah, it's really good. Thanks.

36:05Ronnie Karam: You know, we've seen Madison cooking on Southern Charm, and she jokes that she can't cook, but she's kind of like a little Southern homemaker. And then we see, we've seen Craig cook. Craig's cooking is taking a big bag of frozen meats and just dumping them onto the outside, the outdoor grill. Remember, he couldn't figure out how to work the pan and the stove or something in his house. I don't trust. No, Craig, no. I agree with you. Craig, no. But yeah, it would be fun. Yeah. Yeah. He's sick. Everybody's telling me Robert F. Kennedy's sick. Okay. Okay. SARS. So anyway, yeah, I agree with the note.

36:43Ronnie Karam: But you know what? We have to get into now this news because now we're going to run out of time. so let's get into the Kiki Monique of it all the Real Housewives of Orange County Kiki Monique scandal so Kiki Monique has been everywhere she's been on every podcast she's been getting her story out there thank you to Vanderpod recaps as usual for saving us the time because I am listening to all that I'm watching the Mormon the secret lies of Mormon wise in a weekend. I don't have time for all these podcasts, but she's breaking them down. She was on Carlos King. This is not on Vanderpodcast, but I saw a clip of this looking it up.

37:26Ronnie Karam: Kiki says that producers called her to come on camera with Gretchen, but she wasn't really comfortable just being with Gretchen because Gretchen was one of the people at the party who said it. She was involved in the story, so she didn't want it only to be Gretchen because, you know, it should be somebody else so she asked for gina to be there because she had that piece of gossip that if she told gina that um i guess it was that uh if she told gina that katie was talking about gina saying they agent designers or whatever that gina would be more likely to believe her story so that's why she told her and insisted on her being there at this meeting okay So that was the first thing.

38:13Ronnie Karam: Then there was this rumor about Sheena and Kiki being friends. And so is it Sheena that really started this whole thing? Is it Sheena that said that Gretchen said that she went to the hospital because she was roofied? Because Sheena and Gretchen are friends. So what was it? So she went on, Katie Janela went on Teddy's podcast. Teddy.

38:40Ben Mandelker: Okay, hi, I'm Teddy. Wait a second. She went on to Teddy. Do you mean two Ts in a pod? Yeah, what did I say? Well, you said Teddy's podcast. I just want to clarify that it's two Ts in a pod. A podcast that Tamara, it's Tamara's podcast with Teddy and Tamara who basically started this entire thing about why we shouldn't trust Katie because she goes and talks to content creators is now being welcomed by a content creator who just so happens to be Tamara, by the way. Just want to point that out.

39:10Ronnie Karam: Well, I think this was just a Teddy thing because I don't think Tamara was involved because she has some journalistic integrity. So she's not Tamara to County Day.

39:19Ben Mandelker: Doesn't matter. Tamara will earn money off of that ad revenue for that episode. So yes, the hypocrisy has been flagged by me.

39:27Ronnie Karam: Yes, flagged hypocrisy. So I'm sure that they would argue that they are not saying content creators. They are saying bloggers and they're not bloggers or podcasters. just because, you know, the semantics in the housewives world. So they're talking about Sheena. Teddy is saying, okay, hi, I'm Teddy. So we're going to get into the Kiki Monique of it all. So I heard a rumor. There isn't one part of me. And correct me anywhere that I'm wrong. There isn't a part of me that doesn't believe that you went out to dinner with Jen, Brian, Gretchen, Slade, and all this was talked about. It was. Okay. So we'll get into the Jen of it all in just a minute.

39:59Ronnie Karam: But what I was told, and who knows if this is true, but I was told that Gretchen and Sheena are very tight. Yes. And that Sheena told Kiki. And I've heard that from multiple people too. Okay, okay. Well, I'm glad that we got that figured out. So I heard they're very tight. So here's multiple sources that could have told Kiki. You are vindicated. Hi, I'm Teddy. This is a Hi, I'm Teddy news network. Hi, I'm Teddy. Hi, I'm Teddy. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Hi, I'm Teddy. Hi, I'm Teddy.

40:27Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I mean, I love the idea of bringing Sheena into this, but I just don't really see it. Like, I just don't see this as the as the as the as the as the as a smoking gun. I think that Katie said it. I think Katie said it to Kiki. I think Katie was being careless.

40:43Ronnie Karam: Katie continues. There's clips of Sheena calling Gretchen with Kiki on their podcast together saying, how do we get you back on the show? How do we do this? And it's also and it's also it's this stream of like 20 slides of how it makes sense that it allegedly was them. She's talking about a post that they saw on Instagram. And Katie insists that she did not tell Kiki. And Katie is saying, I was just gossiping about myself. I was sitting at that lunch, and she knew about the episodes that I hadn't even seen. And she had seen screeners that I hadn't even been given. And it was before we filmed a reunion last year.

41:16Ronnie Karam: And I was like, oh, my God, I feel this way. I feel that way. And we were talking about it being a woman of color, the only woman of color, and kind of commiserating on that a little bit. and that's when I told her there are some things that I've seen with these women that make me feel a little weird and that's when I brought up the Gina thing yeah I um first of all I don't think

41:37Ben Mandelker: that like they even have screeners available that far in advance like if if well this would have

41:45Ronnie Karam: been the last oh just for last season right yeah this would have been the last season I guess

41:51Ben Mandelker: maybe okay so i got my time that's confused i don't know like i i think that like i i still i just don't think that this was put forth by sheena and then katie it got like mixed up in that ways i don't think that like sheena told kiki and then kiki is saying that katie said it to protect sheena i just don't think that i i think that if sheena said it i think kiki would say sheena told me this and i i just don't see what she has i don't know why she would have to Kiki would have to like, what motive she has depended on Katie necessarily. I think that Katie told her. I think Katie was being sloppy.

42:27Ben Mandelker: And I think it's like, and honestly, I don't care that Katie told her because I think that it's so, it's so overblown. Like it's really, I just think this is, it's ridiculous that she's losing her income because of this stupid lie when people have lied about far worse and have done far worse on this show. But I just think that like, the shit thing is like funny,

42:46Ronnie Karam: but it's not, I don't, I just. So the allegation is, like, if we're just piecing this together. So the allegation would be that Katie goes to dinner with everybody. She hears all this gossip. She gets together with Kiki. And all she told Kiki was the Gina stuff. Like, Gina said the thing about Asian designers, which Kiki took. And now Katie is alleging, Katie and Teddy are alleging, that just to get Gretchen back on the show, Katie no, Gret, this is so confusing. I need a pen. I need a whiteboard. Didn't Katie say on the show basically that they're going to come up with this whole thing. Okay, well Kiki, I heard this information.

43:29Ronnie Karam: You heard this information. So why don't we make it that we say that Katie was the one who told us because then that'll start a fight with Katie on the show and that'll get Gretchen back on the show. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. It's too far fetched. Yeah, it's cute. There's too many moving parts, and it's honestly not a great story to get on the tab on the show anyway, you know? But also, didn't Katie say, didn't she admit to us that she told Kiki that, like, Gretchen had to go to the hospital and there were drugs in her system, right?

44:00Ben Mandelker: Didn't Katie admit that? I can't keep track of it anymore.

44:03Ronnie Karam: No, Katie's saying she never said that to Kiki. She's saying she got together with Kiki, but she didn't tell her that Gretchen went to the hospital.

44:10Ben Mandelker: So she's saying she never told Kiki this. And so the way that Kiki knows about it is because it's from Sheena.

44:17Ronnie Karam: Right, because Sheena and Gretchen are friends. So Gretchen told Sheena. Sheena told Kiki Monique. And then Kiki Monique blamed it on Katie to give Gretchen a storyline for the show. I mean, it's...

44:31Ben Mandelker: I don't... Yeah, I don't... Gretchen doesn't need Kiki to do that for her. And I don't think Kiki... And I think Kiki knows that. Like, Kiki doesn't need to do that for Gretchen. I think that maybe she did hear it from Sheena at some point, but she also heard it from Katie as well. And I don't know. I just think that whatever Kiki mentioned to her friend, whatever trickled back to Tamara, you know, that is, you know, whether it was originally sourced from Sheena or Katie, it's hard to say. But I just think that like Katie, like I, again, I'm fully on Katie's side, but Katie is like, she is like, she's messed up a lot.

45:11Ben Mandelker: And so it's just, it's not, it just, it seems too far fetched to me that there's this like conspiratorial. Well, I can't really be on Katie's side either.

45:18Ronnie Karam: I'm on team nobody because like, it's hard to be on Katie's side when she's still lying. Like, I believe that she's lying about that too. I just think it's too crazy that she didn't get together and tell Kiki. And then Kiki saying, no, she definitely told me and I can't believe she would throw me under the bus like this. Well, you threw her under the bus by going and telling other people, telling Jacques, which went to Dave Quinn, and then Dave Quinn went and ran to Tamara, which is, you know, I don't know, these journalistic integrities that people have are crazy anyway. I don't know that we're really journalists, any of us, but I think Dave Quinn would be because he's at People Magazine.

45:50Ronnie Karam: That's like a real journalist thing, you know? It's a journalistic outlet. But, yeah, he shouldn't be running to Tamara and tattletaling. I mean, what kind of storytellers are these? Where's my deep throat? where's my where's my bob woodward and what's his face yeah woodward and zingerman where's

46:08Ben Mandelker: woodman and zingerman yeah i yeah this is this is a total collapse of all journalistic integrity and this is what happens when we do not support real journalism obviously clearly um but i just

46:22Ronnie Karam: it's hard to be it's hard to support real journalism because you have to pay every time you read an article. That's true. I even went to see something the other day. Someone sent us about Wendy Malick winning something in Buffalo journalism. And I couldn't even read the article because Buffalo journalism is trying to charge me. I'm like, you are Buffalo. You are the Buffalo newspaper. You really think I'm going to be paying to read your thing about Wendy Malick? I'm not going to do that. You put some ads on there and feed it to me. What the hell, Buffalo?

46:49Ben Mandelker: You're sitting on a viral news story and you won't let it spread because you're putting a paywall on it. The people want to know about Wendy Malick. Okay. Let us read it.

46:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. We get huge Wendy Malick news about being inducted into the Buffalo Journalist Hall of Fame or whatever the hell it was. And I don't get to read the article. What the hell? It's inappropriate.

47:10Ben Mandelker: I think that ultimately in this situation, I think it's totally plausible that like Sheena and Gretchen will be saw them saying like, how do we get you back on TV Gretchen? And like, you know, like, but those are conversations that happen all the time. You know, I, every time I see Leah black, I'm like, how do we get you back on TV? Cause I want her to be a real housewife again. You know, I just, I don't, I think in this case I am going to settle on that. I think that Katie just was being sloppy. And if she would just say, yeah, I said it cause I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I think that would be really beneficial, but I think she's trying to double down and like, I just, it's like, I think it's time to like let the mouse go Katie okay we're rooting for you but you've gotta you gotta you gotta do the right thing here not the right thing you gotta like do the like same thing

47:59Ronnie Karam: I think you know yeah and just admit that you said it oh my god but you know then again it is really taking away from the real thing which is that Gretchen and Slade were the ones saying it at the dinner and now they're denying it probably not to get in trouble with production but even And before that, the real thing is that it happened in the first place. You know, the Tamra moment, the naked wasted episode happened in the first place. That was the real travesty. And I think every bit of blame belongs on Tamra and Vicky and Gina and everybody else. Just shut up. That was nine million years ago.

48:31Ronnie Karam: Okay. Do you want to talk about what I was doing when we started this podcast 13 years ago? No, you don't. I see the Facebook memories of it and it was terrifying. It was terrifying. Okay. And I don't want to have to watch you either. It's like watching your Facebook memories. I don't want to see your gumdrop hair or all your crazy shit that you were doing. By the way, your gumdrop hair has stuck in my head that you called her gumdrop hair. I love that. You just say that right now.

48:52Ben Mandelker: I'm just so happy.

48:54Ronnie Karam: That is stuck in my head. I've laughed about it all weekend. I don't want to see your gumdrop hair or, you know, I don't want to see you 12 faces ago. I feel like I'm an inception. I need to be stuck. I need to stay in the present, guys. It's the power of now. Okay, it's a self-help book. Read it.

49:09Ben Mandelker: and also let's also not forget also let's not also forget as let me just say also five more times in one sentence but we're acting as if people were like like between gretchen and sheena and kiki and katie that people were like lighting bombs and breaking the internet like like like putting this all out there to the universe for maximum exploitation and the truth was it was all just like you know people whispering and having little pun intended kikis and they were like i heard this i heard this but no one was like being outright like oh write a headline about this do this no one was like blatantly doing that and and the person who made it a thing the person who brought it into the public because all these people despite knowing it did not put it onto their various platforms it was tamra tamra is the one who did this and she didn't even do it to say I'm so upset at you, Gretchen, that you would say this.

50:06Ben Mandelker: She did it solely to turn Gretchen against Katie. And it's like, she's so malevolent. I mean, it's wild.

50:13Ronnie Karam: And it worked.

50:14Ben Mandelker: Don't forget.

50:14Ronnie Karam: And as far as everybody else, you know, Katie, you're wrong for taking that conversation. You should know not to sit with Slade Smiley and take anything that Slade Smiley says seriously, because Slade's a fucking liar and a crazy person. So you're bad for taking that and gossiping about it to a blogger. Gretchen, you're bad for marrying Slade in the first place. What a fucking loser. and for gossiping about that if you didn't want to get out and now lying about it. And who else is in this? Kiki Monique, you shouldn't have been taking shit that you heard and then gossiping about it to other journalists.

50:44Ronnie Karam: And then who's the other one? Dave Quinn, you shouldn't be calling Tamron tattletaling. I mean, what the hell kind of magazine writer are you? You can't be tattletaling to all the housewives. I demand integrity. So all of you are wrong, all of you. And it sucks that the person who's the most wrong in this, Tamara, is the one that's winning. You bunch of dummies. You gave Tamara a win. You gave Tamara a clean win. She's even doing well in comments now. People are like, we love you, Tamara. I mean, she's magic. She's a magician. I'll give her that. So you dummies just handed her a win.

51:17Ben Mandelker: I think also the nice thing that happened out of all this was that over the weekend, you know, it was like opening weekend for football. and Katie, there was like a, there's an Instagram story and Katie has like landed some sort of Taco Bell partnership. There was definitely something that said like hashtag Taco Bell partner or whatever, sponsored, SponCon, sponsored link, sponsored content. And everyone has just been delighting in the fact that Katie wound up with a taco contract and Emily didn't.

51:47Ronnie Karam: Oh my God, second person on Bravo because Lindsay was the first. I got the taco contract and now Katie Janela got a taco contract. Good for her. you're going to go to Taco Bell and you're going to order like a chalupa. And then when you get to the counter, they're going to give you nachos. And you're going to be like, um, you said you were going to give me a chalupa. I never said that. Yes, you did. No, I never said that. I ordered a chalupa. No, you didn't. They're going to call Katie, Katie. And they're going to call Kiki Monique and Kiki Monique is going to be like, um, they got a burrito. No, no, I didn't.

52:21Ben Mandelker: I want to defend Kiki on one point here. I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments being like, she shouldn't have talked to this person. She shouldn't have talked to that person. And like, theoretically, sure, sure, theoretically. But the truth is, like, you know, when you're with friends and especially if you're friends in like the Bravo world, you know, sometimes you might say something like, oh, like I went out with so-and-so and they were a mess. I went out with so-and-so and they were saying crazy shit. They were saying this or that. And you sort of like feel like there's like a sort of a code of, I think, content creators a bit where it's like, we don't put it on the air, you know, set behind closed doors.

52:53Ben Mandelker: There's, you know, there is a certain amount of like note sharing that does happen. And like, we don't put like everyone's shit on blast. People don't tell us stuff and then we just go and blab it for sure. But every night we just, sometimes you tell stories about like a real housewife that you went out with or something like that. And I just don't think that Kiki should be like, like hung, like crucified for talking, excoriated for talking to one of her friends and talking to like someone who else is sort of in the quote unquote industry and in the circle. Cause we all do it. Okay. We all do it.

53:23Ben Mandelker: And what's bad is that someone then went and brought it to Tamra. And that's bad. And they should not have done that. But I think, you know, like...

53:33Ronnie Karam: Is it officially dead Quinn? I don't know. That's what Tamra said. Tamra said that on Jeff's radio show. But, you know, look. Yeah, she was messy. I think he was messy. But I also think that, yeah, you're allowed to gossip with your friends. They're allowed to gossip. And we know that she's friends with Jacques. And then Jacques probably went... And according to Tamara, went from Jacques to Dave Quinn to Dave Quinn to Tamara. So then Jacques was messy and talked to Tamara about it. Also, my question is, was Jacques the person who told Katie in the first place that the paparazzi were hired by Heather?

54:08Ronnie Karam: Because you know that Katie said she has connections to someone who knows all the paparazzi. And isn't he Daily Mail? So is that Jacques, too? I want to know. Someone get the answer. I don't know. She was messy. But ultimately, Kiki did not release the information. You know what I mean? She didn't come on the air, and she didn't go on her Instagram. She didn't make it a thing. You know, she gossiped, which was wrong. But Dave Quinn told Tamara, and then Tamara made it a thing. Exactly.

54:36Ben Mandelker: She was messy. But I think, honestly, honestly, I could imagine if I had found out, like, oh, yeah, and then I heard that, like, that Tamara had roofied Gretchen. or Gretchen said that Tamara Roofied her or something like that, or even said there were drugs in the system. I can imagine having cocktails with like, I don't know, like Courtney from two judgy girls and Mary too. And being like, you know what I heard? I heard that. Isn't that crazy after all these years? Like she's, you know, that happened like, ha ha ha moving on, get some goat cheese balls.

55:04Ronnie Karam: And if they went and they, they release that, we'd be pissed, you know, cause you're supposed to be able to gossip.

55:11Ben Mandelker: You're supposed to be able to gossip with your fellow like podcasters. You are allowed to. And again, like there's stuff that just stays with me and Ronnie, but like a stupid shit like that. Cause let's not forget, this is all just like a, a little thing, a little comment, stupid shit like that sort of flies around between all of the content creators all the time. And, uh, someone violated it. Someone violated the pact of the content creators.

55:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You're all messy. You're all messy. All of you. Shame, shame. I just feel like, yeah. Yeah.

55:40Ben Mandelker: I just feel like I wanted to defend Kiki on that note a little bit. Okay.

55:45Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because it does become kind of a feeding frenzy, you know, where I was like, well, fuck her. Yeah, I don't think it's that. I think I hope it's lesson learned, but also it's hard to be friends with all these people on Bravo, right? You know, you can't get too close with these people and then still report on them in a way that people are going to trust you. Like, you can't be going and hanging out with Janet and then be like, well, I like Janet. She's nice. Like, Janet said, like, you have to be able if you're going to recap Bravo, you have to be able to say who sucks and who doesn't suck, even if you like them sometimes.

56:13Ronnie Karam: times just like i'm doing now when i like you you know like you have to be able to do that so i think it would be just very hard to be friends with all these people you know we've we've made arm's length friendships with people but we are very honest with them that we're going to still give them shit the next day and i think that's extremely important to do because you know you can't be you can't be going to standing up for people just because they're being nice to you they're not stupid they're trying to make you say good things about them don't get tricked don't get tricked

56:39Ben Mandelker: Don't get tricked. Well, on that note, we're going to wrap up the audio portion of Crappy Hour. And before we do, just a reminder that this episode of Watch What Crappens was brought to you by Virgin Voyages.

56:53Ronnie Karam: Yes, Virgin. Thank you for the support. And everybody out there, thank you so much for being here. And we will talk to you next time. For those of you staying with us on YouTube and Instagram, we will put a link in the comments right now for you to join us on camera. But everybody on audio, love you guys. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.

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