#3005 RHOC S19E11 Part Two: Safety in Slumbers

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2:38Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right back into the recap.

2:52Ronnie Karam: So let's go over to Beverly Hills. Gretchen is looking for her phone. It's like Siri, where are you at bitch?

3:00Ben Mandelker: Where you at? Gretchen! Gretchen! Where's your phone? I can't find it. I'm looking everywhere. It's with someone. Oh, hey, I found it. So they're like saying, you know, Emily's like, I need to hear the song. I'm not gonna let her off the hook. This is what happens to sleepovers. You drink fireball and then you talk shit about your nemesis. I was like, I don't remember drinking fireball when I was 11 years old at my friends but that's fine.

3:31Ronnie Karam: We all grow up differently, I guess. So then Gretchen FaceTime Slade who is so excited. He's like got his ring light out. He's like got like bronzer It's like ready to go. He did his full like face contouring. He's like hello. He's holding microphone He's like, hello, it's me, Slade. Just another casual night at home. What can I do for you, ladies?

3:52Ben Mandelker: Ding, ding, ding. Yeah. And so Emily's like, well, it has come to my attention that there's maybe an audio recording of Tamara singing in a studio. And he goes, oh, what? Well, the story goes, this was her trying to record a song. And then the two of them started messing around. And then they forgot they were recording. So the audio of their extracurriculars is on there, too. Isn't that hilarious? What? It's a song of them having sex. Oh.

4:21Ronnie Karam: Well, that's what I've been told. I'm not really, you know, I wouldn't know. Wait, you said you had the audio. No, I said I heard the audio of her in the studio trying to sing. Did you hear the other audio, Slade? He's like, yeah, it was played for me. No, we wanted to hear her sing. I don't care about the other stuff.

4:36Ben Mandelker: I really, I don't, that's just so, ooh, it's just so, urgh, it's just so poor, so poor. if i wanted to hear a possum groaning i would just tune into some of wendy malik's acting choices so emily is like slade i mean he literally like salivates at the mouth when he gets to talk about tamra i mean shane would have just told me shut the fuck about tamra move on then again he says that about really anything i say so slade just like feeds it he feeds it and feeds it and feeds it.

5:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, Slade's gross. And so now of course they don't have the recording, you know, and then Slade tells us when it comes to Tamara, I'm not really interested in, you know, sharing dirt on Tamara, but I am interested in telling the truth.

5:24Ben Mandelker: Oh, yeah. Slade. Thank you for being a true warrior in this moment. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for this.

5:32Ronnie Karam: Bastion of honesty. Slade Smiley, ladies and gentlemen. You slime bag. Get the fuck out of here and take Gretcher's with you.

5:40Ben Mandelker: So Gretchen says, I have a recording of Tamara singing. And then it becomes, oh, I don't have it. Slade has it. And then it becomes, yeah, I have a recording of her singing. And then they forget the mic is on. So then they start having sex. You hear the sex. And it's like, oh, but actually I don't have that. It was just played for me. And oh, we don't have that audio. but we have audio of her singing, but then we still don't even hear the singing audio. So, huh, it's hard. Just saying, you know, when we've already seen you say, I went to the hospital, I didn't go to the hospital, and now this story is rapidly changing while we're hearing it.

6:26Ben Mandelker: We're really supposed to believe that Katie is just like the one who is totally fallible in this entire stupid situation earlier this season. I don't think so is what I'm trying to say. I don't think. Yeah.

6:38Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, it's hypocrisy. These people. But he didn't say he actually has a recording, right? Of the song.

6:46Ben Mandelker: I don't know. At that point, let's see.

6:48Ronnie Karam: I'm just you guys. I'm just like interested in the truth.

6:51Ben Mandelker: Gretchen said that they had a recording. Well, she just say this right in here somewhere in the middle. Now I'm going. I'm going. She said she has the recording of Tamara.

6:59Ronnie Karam: But then she said, no, Slade has a recording. Then Slade says, no, I don't have the recording, but I heard it.

7:04Ben Mandelker: and they were fucking in the recording. And Gretchen says, no, I said I heard the audio of her in the studio trying to sing the song. So now it's like, do you have it? Do you not have it? Because you are lying. You are a liar.

7:20Ronnie Karam: Yeah, lie. Lie. So then Emily's like, okay, well, if you're not going to show us the song, we're going to go back to our slumber party. Bye, loser. So they hang up on him, and Heather's like, let's go do what girls do hang out in our beds i could really use the comfort of mosquito netting surrounding me right about now yeah and gretchen's like you guys can't go back to tamra and tell her

7:46Ben Mandelker: this because this is gonna be a problem oh no you're with emily simpson okay and also you just

7:56Ronnie Karam: brought it up on camera and called slate on like what do you think is gonna happen so now she's going to try and turn it. I don't want the girls to say anything about the extracurricular activity because that's not why I called Slade. I called him because I wanted to hear the footage of Tamar in the studio sounding like a drowned rat.

8:14Ben Mandelker: So, not to beat a dead horse, but you know what? Sometimes you just got to beat a dead horse. It's dead, right? Who cares? So now

8:29Ben Mandelker: Gretchen wants us to believe that when Katie says that there's a cover-up that Gretchen called and said, don't talk about this shit. Don't talk about this, what I said at Javier's or whatever. Like, we're just going to deny, deny, deny. Don't say that I said this on camera. And then when Katie says, she said this and told me to say this, and Gretchen goes, what? That's crazy. I never said don't say this. And yet, now, literally two episodes later, Gretchen is dropping some bombs and then saying, don't tell anyone. Don't tell anyone. Don't tell anyone. And now we're supposed to not believe Katie on this?

9:04Ronnie Karam: Yep. I'm sorry, Gretchen. Literally doing the exact same thing again. Covering up. Another cover up.

9:09Ben Mandelker: Yes. I actually, controversially, am greatly enjoying Gretchen's return this season, but she's full of shit.

9:17Ronnie Karam: She's full of total, total shit. Yeah, she's a liar. So back in Temecula, it's pool time. Gina lights her joint, and she's like, I'm what they like to call a California a super and like I enjoy a little THC okay so you know they're going to get Shannon to smoke and say I can't I have a cough okay since 2008 so I can't I can't do that a 2008 cough she's like she's not like dark holiday like does she have like a black lung like come on I No but I did go to a barbecue Once and they were using a cold barbecue I am afraid that I may have Developed some black lung from that barbecue So please don't joke about that it's very serious 2008 was a tough year Tough year for all of us Well I'm going to say this and I hope you don't take offense To this Shannon but like I like you I really do and I worry about you Because like Matt just had a heart attack And it freaks me out and like I worry About you Shannon and she goes I'm good.

10:27I'm good. Thank you. Thank you for your lukewarm, passive-aggressive care. But I'm fine. I'm so glad that someone had to almost drop 10 before you had some shred of concern about me. But it makes me feel any better. I eat salmon regularly, occasionally stuffed with cream cheese. And my heart may be broken, but it is good. So don't worry about me.

10:51Ronnie Karam: And Tamara, who just a couple of weeks ago got so wasted on booze and benzos that she had a breakdown and ran away and quit, now says, I think Gina's concerns are the same concerns that I've had. And it's Shannon's drinking. It just takes a toll on your body. Please be quiet. We've seen you wasted and making a fool out of yourself on this show for over a decade, man. I believe the term is not wasted. I believe the term is sloshed. That is the pot calling the kettle one black. And I will not stand for it. So you think you were going to call her and she's not going to answer someday? You think that's what's going to happen?

11:33He was like, no, it's just like, you know, it's like over 40 now. I'm like very aware that you could have serious health things that happened to you. It's just like freaky. Like, I don't like that. It's weird. I feel bad. Well, inside I'm 26. Well, 28. Okay. I turned 28 inside. Okay, I admit it. My inside is 28. Are you happy? I'm 28 on the inside, but I'm a dignified and classy inside 28, unlike that slutty outside 28 on the beach. Okay, all right. You know, the girls are out of the house, and she's like being by herself, and I just like truly believe that it's like way easier to make bad decisions when you're alone.

12:18Ben Mandelker: That's all. I'm like, well, yes, based on your fashion sense, I would agree. You can make some really bad decisions when you're alone.

12:26Ronnie Karam: But based on the lack of improvement in your fashion sense and the fact that we've seen Matt watching you pack, I would say your decisions don't get much better with a partner.

12:36Ben Mandelker: And also, I would say, based on all the word art in your home, it seems like you can make bad decisions when you're out in public around people and marshals. Well, I'm sitting at home with my dog. I'm watching news. I'm doing my Sudoku and I'm, I'm timing myself at every single one and I'm really getting good. So I don't bring up this kind of stuff because I have a very good life right now. It's very good. I'm very good at time Sudoku. Yes, I do my daily puzzle from, um, lonely people's quarterly. They have an app and they, they release a daily Sudoku while you wait for the next edition of only people's quarterly.

13:10Why do they release it only once every three months? I've really been into a new game called Curdle where every day, find five different kinds of milk to jot down. I don't know. Yeah. I like to play a game called spelling bean. It's not spelling bee. It's spelling bin, B-E-E-N, as in everything's past tense for you now. You're a has-been. You spell things. You only find words that are in the past tense.

13:40So back in Beverly Hills. A word that's very popular is left, divorced, and used to be betrayed is one big compound word. Betrayed. Cheated on, which is weird because that's two words, but they accept it.

13:57Ronnie Karam: So, back in Bev Hills, it's time for bed, and they all led the slumber parties, and Gretchen's like, oh my god, legit, this is my favorite slumber party. Stop talking, Gretchen, I'm trying to sleep. But it's my favorite slumber party. I love you, girls. goodnight John boy shut up Emily I love you goodnight Emily shut the fuck up Gretchen goodnight does anyone want me to sing them to sleep you're never gonna break me you're never gonna bring me oh yeah oh yeah it's like a mashup she should do a mashup with Tamara okay yeah she really should So Temecula, it's time to wake up. And Shannon is stressing out because she's making something from a recipe and trying to turn on ovens and play with all of her bakeware.

14:54Ronnie Karam: And she's just stressing out going over all of her stuff. And Tamara's like, you need help cooking? And she's like, well, I may have a pot for you to stir. Okay, don't bother me. I'm very, very busy. I am making what everyone wants when they wake up. Cauliflower rice. Hash browns. So does anyone want some non-potato hash browns made of cauliflower? That's what everyone wants in the breakfast, right? Hope we're down for some watery hash browns.

15:26Ben Mandelker: So Tamara's like, so, she's like, Sup, how's your new house, Shannon? Are you ever going to invite me over? Do I ever get to the Archie ever again? Tell me about the house. It's a hot house. Can I handle a hot person like me, Shannon? She's like, I just have to focus on the cauliflower rice hash browns Because if you don't do it right They crumble apart Sort of like my marriages Okay Well, okay I'm sorry I'm just trying to concentrate I've got one cup of blonde And another cup of beech And another cup of I've just left you for a dumb blonde whore on the beach God damn it I hate hash browns I used to tell David Why don't we hash it out And he said Why don't you make me a hash brown And oh, I love when he would say that Gotta get back to the hash browns.

16:10Gotta get back to the hash browns. So, is that a no? You don't like your hash? Nothing fighting me over? What are you saying? I'm saying I am trying to concentrate on our... There's five doors down from my other place. Okay, now I need more sugar. Could you look in the thing and see if you see sugar? Just see if you see sugar, Tamara. Okay, it's very important. Listen, please don't distract me. I'm trying to make some sugary cauliflower. Can you please not distract me? This is going to be a delicious, sweet cauliflower breakfast. I'm on the hook. I'm on the hook right now. Hey, what's your favorite thing about me?

16:40My favorite thing about you is your hair, Shannon. I love your hair, Shannon. Okay, you know what? I really, I just, I have a job to do. I have to serve these women disgusting little hash browns, and she is distracting me. I would love that you smell like jar of olives. You smell like a jar of olives. Hey, you should have your own candle. It smells like a jar of olives, Shannon.

17:03Tamara's like, oh, you're an Aries. You're just like, oh, you can't even talk about something else.

17:07Ben Mandelker: You know what's so funny? I was just talking to my friend Neil about how like there are certain zodiac signs that people always like announce that they are. People are always like, oh, it's Leo season. I'm a Virgo. No offense. I mean, I'm a Sag. People say Sag. I'm a Sag. People are like certain ones. People are always saying, I feel like I never hear people say, oh, I'm an Aries. Aries season has started everyone. Aries. I was like, I even forgot Aries was part of the, I was at the party. I didn't even remember Aries was a zodiac sign. So just so funny that I mentioned that two days ago. And then now here comes Eddie.

17:38Ben Mandelker: There we go. And Aries. Of course he's an Aries.

17:41Ronnie Karam: And so now what we know about Aries is that they just want Shannon to shut the fuck I mean they just want Tamara to shut the fuck up in the kitchen. That's like all any Aries wants. It's in all of their horoscopes.

17:52Ben Mandelker: Yeah. That's a really uninteresting story I told about Aries right now. I'm glad everyone enjoyed it.

17:58Ronnie Karam: No, it's actually true. I don't really hear people say that like, oh my god, what an Aries am I right? Like with me, people are like, oh you're a Virgo shocker Ronnie. Yeah, of course you're a fucking Virgo. People always talk about Virgos. Anal and judgmental. And, you know, so I can, I'm used to that. People just being, oh, you're such a Virgo. But yeah, you're right. You never really do hear it about Aries people.

18:18Ben Mandelker: No one does like a shtick about Aries. People do it about Virgo. They even do it about Geminis, Leos. I don't know if people do it about Sagittarius.

18:28Ronnie Karam: People do it about maybe Libras. Well, maybe people try to say things about Aries and Aries people are just like, please be quiet. I'm trying to concentrate. So nothing really ever gains traction. You know?

18:40Ben Mandelker: Is Ares even a sign? I don't even know what Ares is. So, sorry, there'd be so many Ares people that'll be like, how dare you? Do not erase us. Do not erase us.

18:52Ronnie Karam: This is Ares erasure. How dare you? So, Shanna's like, I've got a job to do. I'm trying to get breakfast on the table. Oh, yay, Ares. Ares face. You know what? Tamara's making an effort. But it's really like a guy trying to hit on a girl and she's just not interested. Oh, my God, Shannon, just stop. Stop, Shannon. I mean, stop, Tamara. It's embarrassing. Hey, guys, what do you guys think the girls are doing at the sleepover? And Gina's like, oh, probably getting out of their silk pajamas. And Jen goes, yeah, somebody else is definitely cooking.

19:25Ben Mandelker: And Gina's like, yeah, I don't know how long Emily's going to endure fancy pants before she fucking blows. And then we cut to the sleepover. It's the morning. They're waking up. and there's not just a private chef, there's like a private chef and a sous chef in the kitchen making eggs. And they have little menus. This is like the most unfun sleepover in the history of sleepovers. I'm sorry. I understand that it's like luxury. And again, if this were the orphan movie, this is what you expect in the orphan movie, which is like a kid wakes up and there's a private chef and a butler who's very dismissive, but warm and also going to guide them along and like all these like, oh, Master Johnson, wake up and da-da-da.

20:11Ben Mandelker: But this is like, in real life, this is just patently ridiculous. There's like a special person to put a

20:18Ronnie Karam: stick up your butt, you know? It's like, hello, welcome to high tea. It's a fucking egg, Heather. Okay, we get it. You're rich.

20:25Ben Mandelker: You're rich, Heather, okay? Yeah, and this is not even me being like, oh my god, she's so rich. How obnoxious. It's more just like, I just don't think the vibe, the spirit of a sleepover is that you then bring in a chef and have menus in the morning. I think it's that you go ahead and you make some shitty eggs. You know? It's like, I feel like growing up, it's like, yeah. Or like mom would come in and make some eggs or something like that. Or like you'd like hunt around. But like having a, like a fruit spread and little pastries. Heather, you just need to do a better sleepover. It needs to be better.

20:58Ben Mandelker: Sorry. Yeah. So Gretchen's like, Hey, this looks so good. Is there any place to get a Starbucks around here?

21:05Ronnie Karam: And the chef's like, we have coffee service that will be happening for brunch.

21:11Ben Mandelker: Unfortunately, I do not have my own currency. You were saying Starbucks? No, I don't have my own dollars. Starbucks. Yeah, tie me over. Tie me over with something.

21:22Ronnie Karam: Oh my God, these people. So she's like, I'm feeling a little hungover, not going to lie. Hope I don't get in trouble. Gosh, I do not let loose at this age. Although I have been to the Goat Hill Tavern. And we see a flashback to Emily being like, you'll see, we're like real Midwest. We drink at taverns. Oh, I've got a piece of pizza in my purse.

21:44Ben Mandelker: Gretchen patting herself on the back for going to the Abbey and like a dye bar at 6 p.m. at night in both cases is like the most hilarious thing in the world. Like you are not letting this, ma 'am. I hate to break it to you. And also the way she like when she mentioned the Abbey and she like ran her tongue like through her lip. she did like this look i was like i was like am i watching v all of a sudden this was too much this lizard tongue thing that she did commercials here comes one right now your space should feel like you and if it doesn't that's probably not a taste problem it's a budget problem and wayfair really can fix that what did your space look like before wayfair ronnie what were you most excited to change or refresh about your current space?

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24:12Ronnie Karam: back in uh temecula shannon's like oh god i just need to concentrate could you please beat these egg whites until they're stiff please okay okay i'm just worried you're gonna have a heart attack and die shannon i mean come on calm down okay it's a little too fluffy so fluffy that you're gonna die are you gonna are you dying shannon might be dying you guys i'm so worried about shannon you over you over whipped the egg whites you you you did it you ruined it you ruined it and now he's going to leave you. He talks about nothing. I'm fine. I'm fine. I love being alone and I definitely do not talk to my egg whites in the morning.

24:47I don't do that. Okay. Let's put these. Let's get these egg whites going. All right. So everyone, I hope you're all excited for a delicious breakfast of sweet cauliflower rice hash browns and egg whites. Okay. Is everyone ready for this? Ten times in Demecula. Wow. You really whipped those. You really whipped this stiff. Gina? She goes, yeah, I have that habit. Travis is an easy target, though. What do you mean, Travis is an easy target? He's stiff? He's always stiff? Yeah, because everything I do makes him really stiff. Yeah, and it's like fun, you know, because me and Travis.

25:26Ronnie Karam: Please do not make me think of the tiny baby thumb sticking out of that fupa. I did not come here for this.

25:33Ben Mandelker: No, I don't want it. No. I do not want Steph Travis in my hand I don't know if I want I don't know why Gina insists on giving us details about Travis it's just that like the details themselves are boring you know it's just I don't need it so Jen's like I'll have a question do you think you and Travis will ever get married well you know probably maybe I don't know like waiting for Bravo to give us like our own special you know and like it's gonna be called I feel bad that I'm not married yet but like unfortunately like the offer hasn't really come through yet so it's just like a lot of instability because of his circumstances you know yeah like the fact

26:17Ronnie Karam: that he's not fucking divorced maybe like hello aren't they still not divorced like why are they talking like yeah I just like have to be ready to be in the right please yeah and he's still married hello yeah well it's like Shannon's taking shots for lunch you have a lot on your plate you know

26:40Shannon, you know, you've got a lot on your glass. We've got a lot on the plate, but Shannon's got a lot on her liver. It's a lot. Okay, we just like wait to see what's going to happen next. And like, you know, like I'm just like not focused on things like a wedding. Because it's like it always seems so unattainable. Because like I know that's a priority. And like that's always.

27:04Ben Mandelker: I hate to break it to Gina and to Bravo, but literally no one cares if these two get married. Like, this is not top of mind. This is not a concern. There's no curiosity around it. There's no mystery. No one's wondering, like, when are Luke and Laura going to tie the knot? Like, this is, we don't need to spend our time on this. Thank you very much.

27:23Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So she's saying that he has a court date and he's trying to get full custody of the kids. And he's in Boston. And I feel bad. and it takes a lot out of you, you know. So then she says -

27:38Ben Mandelker: At least say the scene goes on for five minutes. It goes on for five minutes of her talking about the situation.

27:42Ronnie Karam: Do not give Gina lines. Like why, I feel myself deflating reading, even reading the lines back. I'm like, oh God, please make it stop. I feel me. Yeah, he's been through so much trauma. Yeah, I'm like, I've never seen anything like it in my life. You know, he's like, he's so into his children and it's like really hurting my feelings. Please fast forward. Okay, let's go back to Beverly Hills. So the chef is like, ladies, and I use that term loosely, we've got brunch for you. All the pastries are warmed. Okay, they're already going into your purse. That's sort of my thing.

28:17Ben Mandelker: So he takes orders, and Emma's like, can I have a couple eggs over a word? And the guy's like, you can do that, right? He's like, well, you want it really cooked like that? You think I'm crazy? He's like, well, I would never serve that, but, you know.

28:36Ronnie Karam: He just goes, I would never serve that.

28:43Yeah, I would never serve that to anybody in my entire career.

28:46Ronnie Karam: He's saying, yo, make them however you want, okay? Just make them travelable in a purse.

28:53Ben Mandelker: Ladies, ladies, we have a chef here. Get your eggs the way you want them, okay? hey, he's just so happy he can see daylight because he goes back into his cell after this. Can you do poached eggs?

29:08Ronnie Karam: It's like, oh my God, you guys are just being a pain in the ass to be a pain in the ass.

29:12Ben Mandelker: Well, I think this was a fair request because it's breakfast. It's fancy breakfast. And if you're doing fancy breakfast, you have to imagine there's going to be a poached egg request. And then the chef seems shocked. He's like, uh, I can't. I'm like, sir, you're, okay. Eggs over hard. Yeah, that's a surprise. But the poached egg, I think he should have anticipated that a little bit. In fact, I think he should have had some already made.

29:36Ronnie Karam: I think he's just grussed out by them. He's like, you're poor. You're all poor. Like, can I just put some powdered eggs and whisk them through to you, please? Like, you people have no taste.

29:49Ben Mandelker: You have no taste. But also, you have to imagine they're each having one egg, right? Like, one egg over hard, one egg poached, probably maybe two. heather's gonna have an omelet they hired a whole ass private chef to cook basically four eggs

30:05Ronnie Karam: yeah and put store-bought croissants on the tray some croissants yeah i like it well done he's like oh well done okay yes you've got it okay because that's not a crazy request over hard is but well done eggs not crazy at all okay so it's like hello terry's here everybody it's my it's the partner that I have lots of sexy time in our secret sexy time penthouse. The incredibly sexy hunk, Terry Dubrow. Hello, Terry.

30:35Ben Mandelker: Terry! And he's like, hey, everyone, I've never slept so much in my life. He's coming in like he's hosting the match game. He's like, alright, we asked 100 people. He said, my wife has such fancy sleepovers. How fancy are they? She says that When you go to sleep a lady and you wake up as a blank, fill it all in. All right, everyone, you're at Terry DeBrow's match game.

31:04Ronnie Karam: This is why he's on television. All right, Heather, sit down. Terry, sit down and be wacky. You know, everyone, Terry would love a sleep divorce. Wait, what does that mean? It means you sleep in another room. She's like, oh, yeah, that's what's happening right now for Slade and I. He just snores so much, I make him sleep on the couch.

31:25Ben Mandelker: do you guys ever think about getting married sorry Gina asked me that they asked her that's all I want to ask you that she goes um you know it's just like I've never had an issue with like wanting to get married so like yeah I would love to well I remember years ago I mean this was so long ago I think this is when you were claiming that a casting producer wanted you to be in Malibu country which of course the goal went to me eventually but it was a hilarious thing that you tried to even attempt to be an actress like I do I mean I last time i checked your imdb did not have a pilot for cbs that was based around you anyway i remember years ago when we first talked about it you were worried about financially getting were we talking

32:04Ronnie Karam: about it in my trailer i don't think that you ever got to come into that were we talking about that while i was having coffee with reba mcintyre no yeah god where was that was it craft services

32:18Ben Mandelker: oh maybe I'm confusing with when I was on Hot in Cleveland and I was talking with Betty White and she said that if times were different she would have liked me to have played Dorothy on Golden Girls it's hard to remember

32:33Ronnie Karam: now I don't remember if you were there but I do remember Betty White suggesting I get you spayed so was it then

32:41Ben Mandelker: oh so that's where it all happened she said you need to get spayed but you heard I need to get slate and then here we are so she's like yeah so you were worried about finances and she goes oh

32:55Ronnie Karam: yes and gretchen is very uncomfortable with this whole line of questioning by the way she like her face automatically falls and she's very suspicious because she did this for a long time and she knows she's about to get pummeled you know so first they get you over for girls night and then they're going to pummel you in the morning. So she's like, yeah. And we see a flashback of 2012 when she's saying, because Slade is trying to get caught up on some of the back dip and trying to get things resolved in court. I don't think that we should get married. Oh, really? What was he trying to resolve in court?

33:28Ronnie Karam: What back debt was that, Gretchen? Was it child support? Hmm.

33:35Ben Mandelker: So now that you feel like that's all handled, you're on the road to being wealthy some days. So maybe you should get married. And she's like, well, it's not that it's even that it's all handled. I just feel like I've been with him for like 16 years and I know who he is. And I just feel more confident, you know? And she basically says that like, you know, like we're basically husband and wife. I mean, we actually did a ceremony with an ordained pastor, but it's just like, you know, paper doesn't make us married or not. In God's eyes, in our eyes, we're married. I mean, who even needs laws at this point about who can marry who, right?

34:09Ben Mandelker: which is why we should maybe take some of them away. So anyway, the point is they're totally married.

34:17Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so you have everything financially separate. Yeah, are your bank accounts together? I mean, listen, two tinies don't make a large, but still. And Gretchen's like, no, we've never done that. I have my own money and my home's in my name and I've always been very strict about it. I never wanted a man to control me financially. Okay, but you should have a man with some finance, right? I mean, it's your house, so you make the mortgage payment, or does he, like, pay rent? No. Okay, well.

34:48Ben Mandelker: Does he contribute? He lives there, too, right? How do you decide who pays for stuff? For instance, when the maid is done cleaning for the morning, who is the one who pays her the$15 for it? I'm just curious. well i mean it comes out of my account oh does he pay for anything um this is kind of weird

35:12Ronnie Karam: questioning you guys okay so basically she's like really cagey about this so is what's going on here and this really is a question because i don't know that slade owed so much money and back child you know the reports or whatever we looked up from people magazine last week or the week before says something like 150 something grand that he owed and back child support right something like that so is he are they not getting married so that she's not liable like they can't come after her for that debt as his partner maybe maybe she's um oh it's just also i don't know i mean like it's

35:47Ben Mandelker: like if this were real life these are definitely like awkward questions to be asking a friend like like i would never ask like who pays for what and then like in a relationship but since it's real But it's reality TV. So, of course, we're going to ask these nosy-ass questions. So, I understand on one level why you're just, like, a little cagey to, like, be talking about what, like, your husband pays for or doesn't pay for, especially on TV. But the truth is, there's a lot. I don't know why she just doesn't say, like, yeah, I mean, like, you know, I pay for some things. He pays for other things.

36:19Ben Mandelker: It's, like, not really. It's really not that deep, you know. But, like, the fact that she's like, um, no, huh, what, weird. and that's where it's like, what is going on here? And Heather's like, well, Gretchen and Slade's financial situation is really none of my business, but it just never has made sense to me. That's why when Gretchen proposed to Slade, we all thought it was bullshit. I guess it's just weird. When you see two poor people trying to figure out finances, you think, what's even the point? Am I right? If you don't both have$45 million to your name, isn't it really even interesting at that point?

36:58Ronnie Karam: so why are they not legally wed and why does she pay for everything and refuse to put anything in his name i don't know um so she's like it's just fascinating to us because you're so poor you know um we'd just like to see how that stuff and terry's just like oh my god i mean look we're just we're one person we have everything in the same pot over here right head

37:25Ben Mandelker: question uh gretchen if you were to say buy a box of cheerios do you each pay for individual cheerios or do you buy the box in total i just want to know how it works yeah like as soon as

37:40Ronnie Karam: i married shane we had a joint checking like everything was joint i didn't sign a prenup yeah we never had that we never had that well that's strange i mean what's the arrangement Does he work? If he works, what is he paying? I mean, he's got a crooked penis. He has to have it worked on. Like, what is he contributing? So Gretchen's like, I need a nap after that coffee.

38:01Ben Mandelker: So Heather's like, by the way, have you ever had a chair massage before? No. Oh, I thought you had because you probably couldn't pay for the actual humans to do it for you. Anyway, just curious.

38:14Ronnie Karam: Okay, sit in this chair. Oh, sorry. There's still some human hair on here. Can we turn the electric function off? Alfredo has already been removed Smaller space here So we've got to double up the electric chair And the massage chair Don't worry, you'll be safe Probably

38:33Ben Mandelker: So then they're laughing about Like last night And like, oh my god That was so funny Like, you guys got me in trouble last night You got yourself in trouble, Gretchers What didn't you do Except to have a great time amongst girlfriends who are youthful and relatable. Well, somebody asked something about a pop song.

38:55Ronnie Karam: She goes, that was you. Emily's like, yeah. And then you were like, she had an affair with a guy from Nelson.

39:03Ben Mandelker: Gretchen fully entered all of this into evidence herself. She goes, you guys, stop it. I don't know anything about that. What's even Nelson? It doesn't make any sense. You told us. No, honestly, he said something about it. I didn't say anything. I said nothing. Deny, deny, deny.

39:21Ronnie Karam: And Heather goes, Slade is your henchman. We get it. I'd like that they just call her out. They have no problem just calling her out left and right.

39:30Ben Mandelker: But also they also don't seem to have a problem with her blatant lies. Gretchen is clearly changing her story. She's lying. And last time I checked, Emily went full nuclear on Katie for lying. And then here's Gretchen doing it. It's like, oh, classic Gretchers.

39:45Ronnie Karam: yeah when they just kicked somebody off um based on lies that gretchen was telling and accused that person of lying they don't see anything crazy about any of this um so then uh emily's like you've completely taken this situation and you're making us the villains i was like well we were having fun it went further than i intended but i don't want to be i don't i hope they they aren't assholes and go running back to tamra it's gonna cause conflict oh gretchen You know that they're going to do that. That's why you brought it up in the first place. Come on.

40:18Ben Mandelker: You can't be stupid and smart. You came onto the show. You were extremely savvy. You went right for Tamara. And you were like, you had all your ducks in a row. Like Gretchen was like, she came in, she was ready, and she was playing the game. And now she's going to act like, oops, oh my God, I said this thing. You guys can't bring it back to Tamara. And now it's going to be like, it wasn't my fault. You know, they coaxed it out of me. You know, she's going to play this whole game, and it's all bullshit.

40:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah. they're being bad friends by trying to hurt a friendship. She's going to pull that. You were giving information about Tamara willingly. Yeah, and I shouldn't have. I regret it. But you said Tamara's a horrible person because she accused you of having an affair and you had to spend all this money that you didn't, but you just accused her of having an affair. So how is that different? She goes, well, I mean, it was on the internet. Isn't that what she said? I'm saying the same thing. It was on the internet. So is it not true if it's not on the internet? I mean, it's the same thing she did to me.

41:13Ronnie Karam: Wait, when was this on the internet? Yeah, you just announced it. This was you. You said it. Don't try and make it sound like you just found this on the internet. Come on.

41:22Ben Mandelker: So you and Tamara are the same? No, we're far from the same. It may look like we're the same person because I just give Tamara the same energy that she gives me. And Emily is like, no, they're the same. Except that Gretchen uses more filters. Other than that, I can't tell them apart.

41:40Ronnie Karam: Well, that was a rough sleepover, girls. Please leave. Get the fuck out of my house. This is fine. But I can only be here so long.

41:50Ben Mandelker: It's 11.43 a.m., which means that our fun times have officially ended. So one of the Alfredos will see you out, and I'm going to go back into my lair. Thank you.

41:59Ronnie Karam: If you're still here when the fumigator comes, it kind of destroys the point of having the fumigator. Please go. Take all of your rags with you. Thank you.

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44:01Ronnie Karam: now back in the other place yeah they eat shannon's brunch and it looks good shockingly and um they start talking about archie and kids and uh shannon's like well when i leave i always feel so guilty that i say archie i'm sorry i'll make it up to you and i talk to him because there's no one else to talk to. I mean, Sudoku doesn't answer back either. That doesn't really stop me. I just say, Archie, I'm 26, and don't you tell anybody different on the inside.

44:34It's kind of funny, because I always feel guilty when I leave him, and I say, I'll make it up to you, Archie, and yet he never says to me that he'll make it up to me after I was framed for crashing into a house when I was just walking him, because he insisted so much. He was like, woof, walk me at 1 a.m., and I said, fine, Archie, and has he made it up to me? No, but that's okay because I give everything. I try to make these relationships work.

44:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So then Jen is like, well, that worries me for you. You're home alone with Archie. I mean, last night you were saying, I think about you. I have concern. And I mean, you were talking about it in the hot tub, Gina. So what do you think? Gina's like, I'm concerned. Oh my God. You're really only worthy if you have a man in your life waiting for you at home. Yeah. I just don't understand these people without men. What do you do without a penis in your life? How do you live? Is she going to kill herself? Should we put her in a hospital? What's happening to Shannon? People can't be single. You people are so ridiculous.

45:31Ronnie Karam: Shut up. She's going to survive this. The best thing for Shannon is to be single. Have you seen the men she picks? And what are you guys acting like? You've got fucking Ryan at home. And the other one's got Travis's Fupa at home. And his 19 ,000 children. So, you know, sometimes being single is a better choice. Wait a second, I'd like to learn. You still got a therapy, Shannon? She's like, yes, I do, multiple times a week. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, no, yesterday. I have a question. What takes you from I'm upset and pissed to, like, total derailment?

46:06Ben Mandelker: I was like, geez, maybe it's Tamara constantly accusing her of being an alcoholic and trying to paint her as this awful person on TV time and time again and then just deciding that she wants to be a good person all of a sudden.

46:17Ronnie Karam: And Gina's also doing the same thing. I mean, Gina's acting so innocent, like, oh, my God, and I just care about you, Shannon. But she's totally concern trolling. I mean, how many times on this trip already has she been like, Shannon, I'm so worried about you. You know, your health, like you could die. Like, I'm really worried about you, Shannon. Come on. They're all doing this, and then they're wondering why she's, like, slowly coming undone. Because you're undoing her. Yeah. Well, I mean, we do talk about catastrophizing in my therapy. So, for instance, a good example would be, like, for instance, yesterday, I was looking for a can of tuna fish to have for lunch, and I couldn't find it.

46:57So, I instead had three pints of ice cream, and I thought, this is a catastrophe! So, you know, that's something that we discuss. Well, I'm not really sure what that word means, but, you know, single people do like cats. So, if that's what you're into, then you should totally do it. well i grew up like well you know you talk about like you don't know what's going to happen every day that's how i grew up that's how i grew up you know i grew up in a bit of chaos and it was tumultuous and my mom told us she was going to divorce my dad and i was in college and i came

47:29Ronnie Karam: home for the weekend and the process server didn't get to my dad by 5 p.m on a friday which is the last time i'll hire a maryland monroe impersonator to serve papers to my father especially one that works with government hours. So we came home and we had a barbecue and we played tennis as a family. And it just felt so bad for my dad because we all knew that he and we had to fake it for my dad, my poor, sweet father. Yeah, but didn't you also say he had a drinking problem when you were growing up? You know what, Tamara? Tamara, I just, I get that you're trying to be helpful, but my dad is fucking 96 years old and he's a different man and there's just a certain level like i don't want to hurt my father do you understand why

48:14Ben Mandelker: because shannon is like why the fuck are you bringing up this like sacred detail i told you on camera right now you're just gonna like let everyone know that he's has a drinking problem which of course you know like i totally get it um although wasn't he like throwing back some martinis at the maryland lunch too although that's not really a problem but like it's just a Tamara was being totally shitty in that moment. I love that Shannon just called her out right there. That was hilarious. And Tamara's like, well, I'm sorry. I'm just not trying to hurt your father, you know? And if it makes you feel any better, drunk people don't feel as much.

48:53Look.

48:53Ronnie Karam: She pinches her under the arm. See? I didn't even feel it. Tamara, you say things like that. He's not even like that anymore. How could you do that to my father? yeah how dare you never in my wildest dreams that i think that the private conversation with tamra's judge would ever be brought up on camera how dare she i mean we we will still i remember

49:19Ben Mandelker: the first season that shannon was on and tamra just was evil to shannon so so evil and then shannon the next year became friends with tamra and we're like what are you doing this lady was terrible to you. Be careful of this lady. And she just kept on going in and now all these years later she's like, well, I cannot believe it. I cannot believe that Tamara would use a personal detail against me on camera. Inconceivable. Yeah. I'm just trying to help you. She goes, well, that's not helping. That's not helping me. That's not helping me. Okay. Well, saying that she did have some struggles growing up, I mean, that's all I was saying with an alcoholic father.

50:00And it's probably why you're drunk too. Because it comes from a long line of alcoholics. So why are you even arguing about it? Even Gina said you'd be dead in your house without you eating off your face one day. Drunk as a skunk. Dead as lead. That's what Gina said. You know your dad even called you an alcoholic. Your dad called me drunk one time and said she's an alcoholic. I'm just trying to help you Shannon. You know what? I don't think that she said that to actually try to hurt you Shannon. Okay? Because I feel like Tamara's genuinely trying to connect with Shannon and help Shannon speak about something that she knows it's difficult for her to speak about because that's what Tamara does.

50:33She tries to help people all the time. Tamara's a good person. And you know, Shannon could die at any moment. So, like, it's important that they have these talks. So, Tamara's like, uh, do you talk about this stuff in therapy that you go to? Yeah, because sometimes this stuff is buried. And so when it comes out, it's just like this whole bit, it's like, Tamara, I know what therapy is. Okay. I went to a trauma facility where i was in therapy for eight hours a day eight hours for 30 days you know what eight times 30 is now neither do i so i'm well aware i start therapies i start therapies camera oh my god sorry jesus christ anything i say anything you just jumped on my side i'm not your enemy okay i'm not your enemy i'm just a hot bitch who wants to ask questions about your alcoholic dad.

51:22Ronnie Karam: So immediately she goes inside and she goes, fuck my life. I'm not even going to try with that bitch anymore. Drunk, stupid bitch. Why don't you have another glass of champagne, drunkie? Shannon's like, well, for her to explain to me how therapy works, I'm the one who invented therapy. It's pretty funny Tamra trying to explain therapy to Shannon. No one has been to more therapy than Shannon. Like, Shannon lives for that shit, okay? Tamra, you've been in therapy five minutes. You don't get to tell people what therapy's like. Well, I have to say, I disagree with you, Gina. I disagree. Yeah. I think the statement about her dad, that's like not nice.

51:56I think that she's right. I think Shannon's right. Gina's like, what are we going to do with this? Well, what are we going to do with this now? She's like, I don't know. Let me go see what's going on with that monster inside.

52:05Ben Mandelker: So basically, Jen susses out that she's like, Tamara is smart enough to know that she's not going to call Shannon an alcoholic anymore. But what she's going to do is she's going to say, oh, Shannon, your father was an alcoholic, right? and then create a connection to make us be like, so there it is, so you're an alcoholic because it runs in the family.

52:24Ronnie Karam: Yes, basically. And she's right. And Tamra's still going, I have another glass of champagne, Shannon. I mean, is it me or anything I say to her? It's like, I know, I got through it. She's like, okay, but the dad comment, you weren't making a dig? No, Jesus. She's just worried it's going to make her look like she has a drinking problem because her dad did. You know, I don't think she cares about her dad at all. She only cares about her reputation, which I was trying to ruin by insinuating her dad's drunk, so she's drunk too. I mean, what is confusing here, Jen? I don't know. It's just, it's so confusing, everything.

52:57I mean, but these are all necessary steps, Tamara. You've, you're extending an olive branch, so that's what you're doing. And Tamara's like, yeah, well, how long do you just expect me to keep on doing it? You can only extend so many branches before the tree falls over, right? So Gina's like, I think it's, like, really good that you speak up for yourself in the moment, Shannon. like that offended you and it's good that you told her it offended you

53:18Ben Mandelker: last time I checked that's what Shannon always does I mean like how much footage do we have of someone saying something to Shannon and her having a total meltdown and storming out

53:27Ronnie Karam: I mean this weird therapy Gina is so annoying she's like oh my god everybody's like working on it shut up Gina first of all now that said Shannon is making this whole thing miserable she has made this whole trip miserable like they're at least trying to have fun and shannon is like the misery queen you know so i know it's probably not easy for like gina and jen especially to be stuck with her but this isn't helping like yeah like you guys need to learn boundaries and like therapy and like possibly not die of kidney disease because i think you're dying shannon jen does shannon look yellow i think she's yellow hey does anyone have a mirror can we put it under shannon's nose to see if she's still breathing.

54:09She's like, I am breathing. I hear you. I don't hear Shannon. I think Shannon died. Shannon, did you pass over? I am right here. I don't see her. Did she disappear? With Shannon? Oh my God. Was she taken to heaven? I am alive and well because I just ate some cauliflower, some sweet, sweet, sugary cauliflower hash browns.

54:30Ben Mandelker: So now they're all in the kitchen and Gina's just saying, you know, you guys are just navigating. You guys really was helping for the best. I had all good intentions. But no matter what I do, no matter how many shitty things I say, Shannon's just going to find fault with me. And I don't think there's anything left for me to do. Oh, apparently you can't call someone's dad an alcoholic anymore. So Jen is like, Shannon, if it makes you feel any better, she did say the comment about your dad was not a dig. And I asked and I said, I said, it felt like it was a dig. And she said, it wasn't. So then Shannon like sprells out her arms.

55:06Ben Mandelker: She does this move. Like she's like trying to guard a football player. She's like, of course she did that. Of course that's what she did. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Shannon, are you trying to flag down a plane? Yes, I am. It's a plane called, I don't give a fuck anymore about a hammer judge. I'm a, I'm done.

55:24Ronnie Karam: Oh my God. She's moving her arms around like someone with a deadly disease. She's possibly dying right now. I just care, Shannon. I just care. Um, so Shannon's like, well, I'm not a dummy. and she's got an excuse and explanation for everything and I don't believe it anymore. The 26-year-old inside of me doesn't believe it. The 28-year-old certainly doesn't believe it and I don't believe it. I mean, these women are literally 61 and 57 years old and 26 as well on the inside and they're acting like they're in goddamn middle school. It should be studied.

56:01Ben Mandelker: And that's the end. That's the end of the episode. a big rowdy ridiculous episode so I guess we'll see what happens next but obviously the the talk about the the singing Tamara's singing and banging potentially Nelson comes to a head next week at some sort of dinner party but until then thanks everyone for being here we'll be back on Monday with a Real Housewives of Miami recap and hope you all have a great weekend and we will catch you on the next one bye Watch what Crappens would like to thank its premium sponsors. Ain't no thing like Alison King. It's always a party on Alison Block. Our way is the Amber way.

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