#3010 RHOSLC S602 Part One: Gout of Bounds

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1:08Ben Mandelker: Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today is the wonderful, hilarious, glorious, sexy Ronnie Karam. How are you, Ronnie? That's me. Hi, Ben. How are you? Doing pretty well. Excited. That's Salt Lake City Day. Varsity-level Housewives show that we are about to start our recap for. Just in one second, first a reminder that not only do we have a Patreon, but we also do a weekly bonus episode. And this week's bonus episode is a cast breakdown of the Great British Bake Off. Because why not? We actually recapped that yesterday.

1:50Ben Mandelker: yesterday and we did a little, uh, cats, cast, uh, cast breakdown and had a lot of fun with it. So if you are a big baking fan or, you know, people that are go check that out on Patreon. And we also have video there. You can watch us on video, which is really fun. By the way, thank you to everyone who showed up to crappy hour earlier this week. We had a lot of fun talking about Bravo headlines, et cetera. We do that every other week and we alternate that with going on Amazon live. So that'll be coming up on a Monday. so that's all the exciting stuff to talk about oh and by the way thank you to everyone who had to endure the annoying nuisance of my microphone over the Orange County and Miami apologies I don't know what was going on but let me tell you something I ditched that microphone I ditched it I got rid of it I got a new one I think it was a mic issue this Rode pod mic USB garbage so it is out one day you're in the next day you're out so goodbye road pod mike you are no longer welcome here on this podcast thanks seriously thanks sorry sorry to everyone that that was super annoying to you uh got a lot of people who were like oh my god your microphone i thought it was my airpods no it was me it was me hey maybe you sold a bunch of new airpods so that's good yeah maybe but i'll tell you one thing that microphone it's not going on to my amazon amazon It's not going onto our Amazon live anytime soon.

3:15Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you that much. If anyone's just trying to start up a podcast.

3:19Ronnie Karam: All right. Here we are with some real housewives of Salt Lake City, season six, episode two, law and out of order. They should have just called this episode, gout, dick sucker and been done with it. Yeah.

3:32Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Oh, that's what I was trying to think. I have to think of a name for the episode and I was like, what, what was the thing? What, what, what is the gout? It's going to be a gap on everyone. Who knows the form one day? Maybe it's what I just said. One day you're in. One day you're gout. That's true. One day you're in. The next day you're gout. One day you're in. One day you are gout. Down and gout of Beverly Hills. Oh, Salt Lake City.

3:58Ronnie Karam: Okay. So when we left, everybody was scared that they were going to be killed by the slut killer of Salt Lake City. Whatever her name is.

4:06Ben Mandelker: Slut shaming ghost. I'm like, hello. It's 2025 ghost. Stop with the slut shaming.

4:14Ronnie Karam: But, and my favorite part was that, was of course Meredith taking it so seriously. Like, I have to get back to my family. I have a toddler. And like legit freaking out. But guess what? Everybody's fine. They lived. It was a shocker. And Meredith tells us, they're not going to let us die. It's too big of a liability for the network.

4:41Ben Mandelker: you never know what bravo might do for ratings i wouldn't put a best bravo's like you know what if we did as a rating stunt we just let a ghost kill our entire cast well i guess that could be kind of fun the next chapter in uh the bravo reckoning um they murdered us leah sweeney's

5:00Ronnie Karam: like um i was murdered leah sweeney's doing as a ghost bravo murdered me in a salt lake city episode. I'm not even on that fucking show.

5:09Ben Mandelker: This is a crisis. Okay, this is unsafe work environment. They literally are having ghosts kill us. We're being hunted by ghosts. It's not right. We're taking it to the courts. We're going to sue a ghost.

5:18Ronnie Karam: It's just Ramona the whole time, the slut killer. It's always been Ramona. She's like, you know what? You're a loose girl. That's it. You know what? I think girls should have manners, okay? I was raised. I'm sorry. You're going to have to join me.

5:33Ben Mandelker: Yeah, you are slutty. You're a slutty girl in Salt Lake and you shouldn't be messing up the hills of Provo, okay? Because I remember this one time when I was a little girl, my father's best friend, Geraldine Parson Smith said, you know what? You're a loose girl and you need to get yourself in order. And to this day, I've never been able to be slutty, okay? I've never been able to do it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but that's just the truth. I feel bad for even having to come to Salt Lake City. Okay? Sorry.

6:02Ronnie Karam: So everybody's waking up in their RV and Whitney's like, are you ready to go brush your teeth down by the river? They're like, uh, no. She's like, that's what you do. I know that Whitney does that at home too. She just walks down to that little pond thing behind her house. It's just like, brush, brush, brush, brush, brush, brush, brush.

6:23Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she, little known fact that is, go down to the river to brush your teeth is actually the original lyrics for down to the river to pray. as i went down to the river to brush my teeth starting about that good old way just imagining whitney's singing an old hymn an old hymn about brushing her teeth whitney just loves the outdoors she's got a pole out there coming out of the pond um so

6:57Ronnie Karam: meredith is like is there a coffee maker or a cappuccino maker on here? She's like, this is not the Four Seasons, Meredith. Listen, a Keurig is not too much to ask. Get a fucking Keurig. You're in an RV, for Christ's sake. You can have a bed. You can have a microwave. You can have a Keurig. Get a Keurig.

7:16Ben Mandelker: There should be a Keurig on that thing because that is like a luxury RV. If you've got an RV that can fit like all those adults and their housewives and it can be kind of luxe, there should be room for like a little baby Keurig. I would say it's not -

7:27Ronnie Karam: city and you guys are low budget and community theater but still you can at least give people a keurig for christ's sake get some quest coffee in the fridge yeah this was unfortunately a um

7:38Ben Mandelker: poorly conceived trip based on the fact that they got hot dogs with no buns hamburger buns with no hamburgers and um asparagus with no way to cook them you know so i guess a keurig is just really

7:53Ronnie Karam: a bridge too far so they go outside and they they i'm not sure if they're not allowed to talk about cows like if cows are branded a certain way here that they're not allowed to mention them but it's weird because they go out and there's a bunch of cows across the little river thing and they're like wow it's animals well it is animals come look at the animals and animals it's like you can call them cows i mean are we not allowed to say cows anymore what is 2025 done to us i know seriously

8:22Ben Mandelker: It's like on baking, baking show when they couldn't say Marmite to like yeast, yeast extract. It's like, no, you can say, you can say cow. You could, it's no, I'm not allowed to. As part of the conditions of me settling Whitney Rose into bankruptcy, I had to give up the word cow. It's like, what, what are you talking about? You exploited my cow, Gina.

8:48Ronnie Karam: Or a bunch of animals out here. And Andy said, Do you think they are saying the same thing about us? Mary's like, no. That was funny. Because you know the cows are. They're like, look at these crazy witches out here. What are these ladies doing? What are they wearing?

9:06Ben Mandelker: You were selling those cows short. Those are Bravo fans. Like, oh, my God. Icon Meredith Marks. Icon.

9:17You said my husband was gay.

9:21Ben Mandelker: what if they're just like what if they're just like the cow Salt Lake City like on cow housewives it's like they you know how they like do the traitors in the same castle for both UK and the US like the cow they're like it's like I heard that I heard that Clarabelle has four lawsuits against her I hope you come to my book opening for the good moomin. The bad moomin. Sorry, I fucked up my dad joke. We're always waiting for Lisa Holstein.

10:03Ben Mandelker: Little crossover. Crossover with the Real Housewives of Miami Cow.

10:11Ronnie Karam: So they start making breakfast and, you know, bad choices for breakfast too. Why are you bringing steaks why you're bringing steaks and the only thing you can eat them out of is a paper bowl come on so they make breakfast and Whitney and Heather brush their dentures or whatever those things are their implants what do you call them not dentures that's rude I'm older than them anyway tick tock

10:40Ben Mandelker: they're cleaning their implants scrabble pieces okay and uh heather's like um i have no ability to spit it's crazy i lost that when i botoxed my upper lip so i mean spitting was kind of my thing but now i can't even spit yeah i can't it's no longer on my tinder profile i'm like is there a tinder profile even in the first place but at this point so then bronwyn is cooking the steak and mary's like do you not know how to cook steak i don't even think you eat steak do you she's like mary no i don't i don't cook anything no i don't that is absolutely very true i have christian siriano

11:26Ronnie Karam: cook it for me that is true mary's like i can tell by the way you're digging at that steak damn mary's pretty harsh but she's also not able to eat the steak like she has a whole moment where She's like, how am I supposed to, I can't, I can't eat, it's a bowl, it's a paper, plastic, paper, but, but.

11:47Ben Mandelker: And you don't have a steak knife. Like it is actually, it's, remember that commercial for Milk where the guy, he like, he gets hit by like a, he's like this asshole and he's across the street, gets hit by a bus. And then he winds up and he's like in this room and there's all these cookies. He's like, oh my God, I went to heaven. I can't believe it. they actually accepted me in heaven and he just was eating this big glorious cookie and then he reaches for the milk and all the milk containers are empty and he realizes he's actually in hell um i think this was like this was like the steak version i think that just happened all across

12:23Ronnie Karam: america this morning when people woke up and realized they weren't raptured i felt bad for so many people on tiktok who were like we are out we are being raptured today and i just wanted to say bye to everybody there's one i sent you yesterday with this lady who's like guys this is my last tiktok because i'm so blessed the rapture is happening tonight and i am just so grateful to be taken and all of you who are seeing this you were not raptured and i'm so sorry for you but you know what at least you can just go on and do all the sins you want to keep doing so like dead serious what what the fuck i was almost disappointed that nobody was raptured when I woke up.

13:03Ronnie Karam: I mean, that would definitely make dinner conversations the holidays a lot easier. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh my God, you're all still here. I had a text from family this morning. I was like, oh my God, they didn't take you. I thought there was a bus waiting for you people.

13:18Ben Mandelker: I think the tariffs were just too high for the rapture. I was like, I think we're going to cancel shipping on this. I think we should cancel shipping to heaven. Okay, shipping is suspended until the tariff drops.

13:31Ronnie Karam: Listen here, Jesus. Listen here, Jesus. We're going to charge you 30 % over to take these people up to heaven. He's like, I'm sorry, but I'm like notoriously poor. So. Unfortunately, all the escalators up to heaven stopped.

13:45Ben Mandelker: There was a little bit of an issue and you have to look into that.

13:51Ronnie Karam: Poor things. They just woke up today because, you know, they woke up today and there's just empty milk cartons everywhere. And they're like, oh, my God, I'm actually in hell. Yes, you are. Because you drank all your milk yesterday because you thought your ass was being raptured. Guess what? You're not. Now you have to go to the store and show your stupid face while you buy more milk.

14:11Ben Mandelker: What a strange final terrestrial act to do. It's like, well, I'm about to be raptured. Let me drink a lot of milk. I would do that.

14:18Ronnie Karam: That's what I would do. Dairy and carbs. That's it. It's like he's coming. I would definitely go straight to the dairy and the carbs. There would be a lot of bagels and cream cheese hanging out of my mouth. 100 % because that's not sinful.

14:30Ben Mandelker: It just tastes good.

14:34Ben Mandelker: so yeah Bronwyn's basically saying yeah I don't know how to I don't know how to cook steak so now they're sitting around and they're trying to eat this steak out of these bowls like this entire camping trip is actually low key very frustrating to watch because they're so inept at it and Heather's like this place feels like I could bring the girls up here rent an RV and like have a whole experience I'm like you just spent the past episode talking about how there was some prude ghosts trying to kill young women and now you're like It's a great place for my girls. Uh-uh.

15:05Ronnie Karam: No. No, it's not. Yeah, so she says she's going to rent a whole experience we could fish. But it's too late now because Annabelle's leaving. And so everybody's just kind of looking at her. And Angie goes, do you mean she's going off to college? She's like, yeah, she's the last kid in the house. Wait for it, everybody. I have a very touching monologue coming about. empty nest syndrome. It's kind of a storyline. So all right, prepare yourself. Do we have any music? Do we have any? That would be great. I just brushed my teeth down the river. Did you get that?

15:40Ben Mandelker: Okay. Okay, America, get ready for a really compelling storyline for the season. Well, she's the last kid in the house. I can't wait for it to happen. Like it couldn't happen soon enough for me. And I feel guilty. I just feel like she's the last part of that era of my life. and I wanted to be over with. Gone. Done. Like, not my relationship with her, of course, but just trying to be a family. Trying to be the mom and the dad. Annabelle actually said to me, she said, I feel like you've been in a fight or flight since dad left. And I said, I have been. Because it's just been like the kids can't get screwed up.

16:14Ben Mandelker: They can't get screwed up. Because then it would be my fault. I'm like, are we really sitting through another Mormon trauma storyline from Heather Gay? Heather Gay, who, like, writes these books about like bad Mormon out of the church. But then we have to sit through like, but now people will get mad at me if I mess up my daughters. I was like, well, thank God you went on to reality TV, which always is so healthy to all the families.

16:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you know, she's doing the whole empty nester thing, but it's a twist on it because normally it's like, oh my God, you guys, the kids are leaving. What am I going to do? I don't know how to live in a house anymore. Suddenly it's just all me and I've had my girls this whole time and now it's just me and I'm single. What am I going to do? That's usually the storyline. But Heather's isn't. She's just like, thank God my kids are gone. I can't wait to not be their mother anymore. It has been exhausting having to be there every single day for those little bitches. I'm so glad. Everyone's just kind of staring at her because it doesn't sound very sense.

17:16Ronnie Karam: I mean, it sounds kind of mean, right? If you're watching it as her kids to be like, geez, mom. I know. Even though that said, I understand what she's saying. Like it's exhausting and hard. You're raising three kids on your own. And, you know, I get that part of it too. But it does sound like, oh, I think everybody who was listening to it felt the same way. Because they do a pan around it, all the ladies sitting by the fire. They're all sitting in a circle. And they're all looking at how they're like, oh. And so she just keeps going. It's like a five-minute monologue. And she's like, yeah, I was born to be a wife and a mother.

17:48And any desire to be anything outside of that was basically a sin. And I was in charge of raising the kids and he was in charge of providing and sitting in a hot tub outside. And then when we left, I was still 100 % in charge of raising the kids. I've never had one single night off. Not one night off. You're on a trip right now. You take five years. You take five trips a year on this show, man.

18:18Ben Mandelker: I mean, I know what she means. Like you're a parent, right? I wonder if this is really just code for like, I want to take in a lover and I feel guilty about having sex in my house. Is it really as simple as that? Because we haven't seen much. Someone on Twitter actually pointed out that like, we've not seen much of her romantic. We've seen nothing. We've the closest we've seen of her having any sort of romantic life was that when she like got horny over that guy at Jen Shaw's house in season one. And there's nothing wrong with that. I just want to also add, it's not like she needs to have that.

18:50Ben Mandelker: But she sort of talks a game a little bit, but we don't actually see any of that. So maybe she has some sort of guilt about bringing a guy around while she's raising these daughters.

19:02Ronnie Karam: I mean, I get the impression, honestly, that she's just sick of men and their bullshit. You know, she's probably been too disappointed. I mean, and I'm probably projecting a lot of my own shit onto her. But I've always looked at her as kind of similar to me in that way. Just like, no more time for this. Like, I have no more time for this. But I don't know. maybe she has been hiding it but i get what she's saying you know and the whole it's been really hard and now i get to start a new chapter but she's kind of vacillating between like this is great and feeling like she should be like this is horrible i don't know it feels like trying to kind of land a storyline and i'm like i think so too i don't care about this also i've i've met a lot

19:40Ben Mandelker: of parents who are like oh thank god the kids are out of the house like they always like i think parents my my from what i sense from from my friends who are parents and family members is that like you want, you want your, keep your kids around because it's like, you love raising your kids and it's like a special time in your life. And you know that like, once they go up to college, it's kind of like, you know, it's like they're starting their real adult lives and et cetera. And so like, you want to cling on to it, of course, because sentimental, you love your children, but there's also a feeling of like, oh, I can do what I want now.

20:12Ben Mandelker: You know, like I can, I can, I've done my, I've sort of, you never feel like you've done your job, but you've sort of feel like, okay, I can do the things I want to do. I can go travel. I can do this and that. I can, I can, I can see what brunch is like again, you know? And so I think Heather may be alluding to that, but she's trying to kind of like wrap it up in this, like, and like whatever, like tatters are left of her Mormon storylines of like, I was raised this way in the church to be a parent. It's like, you know what? Like, okay, fine. We can, we can do this again. We can hop back onto the Mormon rodeo with you, Heather, but this one's a little, I don't know, it feels a little bit more of a reach.

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22:47Ronnie Karam: It's season six. You're not the only one

22:50Ben Mandelker: who has conflicted emotions about your children leaving the house. There's a whole show about it. Empty nests. Although that was the day he came back. You should be so lucky to have Dinah Manoff move back into your house, ma 'am. Ma 'am. Dinah Manoff. The kid everybody's been waiting for to return. Dinah Manoff. I want Dynaman up to move in with Heather and be like, I'll be a daughter. Shoulder pads. I look at that era. It was really, really hard. And mostly hard because I couldn't show them it was hard. I acted like it was perfect and normal. And I was just so happy. And I was fine. And I loved everything I was doing.

23:29But I was gritting my teeth the whole time with those little bitches. I'm exhausted. Day in, day out. Daughters here. Daughters there. Mommy, mommy, mommy, mommy. Get out. Just get out.

23:42Ben Mandelker: Sounds like you have put a lot of non-Greek expectations on yourself. Might I suggest Tahini? And Whitney's like, well, she didn't have a choice about it.

23:53Ronnie Karam: Didn't she leave her husband? Or did her husband leave her? I forget what the story was. Did she leave her husband? I think it was a church-related thing, right? No, she got kicked out of the church because she divorced the husband, right?

24:09Ben Mandelker: I think there was an alien abduction that like just severed their family and they just were not able to reconcile. An alien abduction. So Bronwyn tries to relate. Bronwyn goes, oh, Heather, like, obviously I took a very different track. I was also raised two parents. We're still together. 50 plus years. Mormon. And when I had Gwen by myself, I went through the same insecurity. Like, this is not how it's supposed to be happening. I was supposed to have a family. It was supposed to be marriage and a temple. All that kind of stuff. but I feel the exact opposite of Heather, you know, cause Gwen's graduated in October and she needs to be leaving.

24:42Ben Mandelker: And instead I moved her boyfriend into our house so she could stay longer and he could pick up the poop. Yeah. That's what I did.

24:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So I didn't think this was bad. No. Yeah. I think she's just telling her experience. I didn't think it was bad. Yeah. I think she was just kind of telling her experience, but Andy goes, yeah, Heather, these should be the best years of your life. And Heather's like, I know. And that's why I feel guilty. That's why I feel guilty. I just want them out. So Bronwyn talks about her and she's talking about how she's not prepared for Gwen to move out. And then we get a clip of Gwen and the boyfriend making breakfast or something in Bronwyn's house. And Gwen has become Bronwyn. Did you notice? I didn't get the same haircut.

25:21Ronnie Karam: The exact same haircut, the same posture, the same nodding while she's making an egg or whatever. She's like, yep, I'm doing a dish. I'm doing a dish right now, mother. I'm doing it right now. I don't want any lip from you about it, young lady. I'm like, oh my God, this is frightening. I mean, I get like resembling your mother in a way. I mean, let's face it. I'm a red wig away from being mine, but this was weird, like exactly the same. Yeah, so Bronwyn's like, I mean, what if Gwen moves out and I have all this time

25:49Ben Mandelker: and space and freedom to do something fabulous with my life and I don't make something fabulous out of my life. I don't know who I am if I'm not Gwen's mom. I'm like, I hate to break it to you, but you also have that time right now. You're wealthy. So Bronwyn said, I'm just, I'm not ready to be done. My insecurity is I haven't done enough with Gwen yet. Okay. I haven't dressed her in a hot dog dress. There's so much more to do. I need more time with her. Gwen still has not gone to lunch wearing a bikini while it's snowing outside. And that's something as a mother that I just can't. Although she did lie about having a diamond necklace last week.

26:22And that made me kind of proud.

26:25Ronnie Karam: So she's like, yeah, I'm insecure because I feel like I need more time with her. So Heather says, but I feel like you're saying that I don't love my kids because I want them to leave. No, she didn't say that. You are the one saying that you want your kids to leave and you feel guilty for wanting them to leave.

26:43Ben Mandelker: Are we in a movie theater? Because I'm seeing a lot of projection over there in that corner, Heather. So I was like, what? And Heather's like, I mean, I love my kids so much, so much. Well, I wasn't saying that. I was saying I wish you wouldn't question why you feel like you have to do it that way. You can do however you want, you know, however you did it. It's perfect. That's, that's what I'm trying to say to you. I wish you wouldn't question the way you did it. She's like, what are you saying that I should be questioning? Are you saying I hate my children? Are you saying my children are just as good as those animals over there of unknown species?

27:15Oh, so now you're accusing me of voting for post-birth abortion. Thanks a lot, Bronwyn. Thanks a lot. She's like, no, I'm not. So now you're saying I should just be able to infanticide my own teenage children. She's like, no, I'm not saying that at all. I was going to murder my children. That's what you're saying. I hate my children and I should disembowel them right now. Right now.

27:36Ben Mandelker: Wait, it's funny, Heather, because now I just want to be a stay-at-home mom and I can't be. I'm actually going through the reverse. Like this whole crisis of failure of my business has really made me just want to be home with my kids and my business fails. And I can't be now. And I still have to figure out how to make money. Whitney just inserting her storyline into this like nascent fight. Heather's trying to make a fight out of nothing. And Whitney's now trying to take the nothing fight and make it her own.

28:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah, Bronwyn inserted herself. I mean, I think they're supposed to be doing like you share and I share, right? It's like a girl's trip. Yeah. You know, we're each sharing our feelings. But Bronwyn does it. And Heather's like, oh, really? So I didn't do it your way. So now I want to murder my children. And then Whitney's like, well, geez, Heather, all I want is to be a stay at home mom. Heather doesn't jump on her. Like, oh, so you're saying I didn't want to be a stay-at-home mom? Like, she's not jumping on her. She's just going to be mad at Bronwyn now. Exactly.

28:36Ben Mandelker: Wait, America, listen to this. Over the last couple of months, Justin and I decided we wanted to start an adventure. Oh, wait. Adventure. A-venture together. So we merged Wild Rose Beauty into another entity. And we were wildly successful to start. We sold fives of things. and then business started plummeting. And then we were just trying whatever we can to make it through whatever we're calling this phase of failure.

29:05Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so we see a flashback to her crying to Justin about how it's really, really hard having a failed business. And Justin's like, yeah, well, maybe this is a Justin Walker that we need to balance it out more because honey, we did go all in. Okay, that was all of our money, okay? So while I eat these baked beans out of a can over the fireplace, you know, maybe it's not where we're supposed to be focused right now. Maybe we need to focus on actually making some money. So I'm going to go back to the actual MLM company that makes money where I'm currently working and complain about how your MLM made no money.

29:41Okay. Thanks.

29:42Ben Mandelker: Yeah. It's funny how life will just keep you moving, especially if you're on a pole. And Mary's like, well, it'll change. Yeah. Life will change. No, without that anymore. Hey, by the way, how's Robert doing? Robert Jr. And so Mary says that he's doing okay. And he's taking it day by day. And some days are good and some days are bad. He has highs and lows, et cetera. Which is, of course, you know, a little heartbreaking for us because I think a lot of us in the audience saw the headlines only from a few weeks ago that Robert was recently, he recently was arrested. It sounded like he had a relapse of everything.

30:16Ben Mandelker: So I know that. We all know that.

30:18Ronnie Karam: He was trying to break into his father-in-law's home or something.

30:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah, he's got to get away from that lady. That wife, that needs to end. that wife the wife why the wife why is it because they're in a toxic relationship i'm not blaming her for it i'm just saying that like this is not a relationship that's that's working out well

30:34Ronnie Karam: yeah i'm sure her parents are feeling the same way like get the hell away and they should because yeah they were trying to get them remember that whole like kidnapping charge and stuff because the kid was living over there when she was underage or that whole thing so that whole thing is a

30:47Ben Mandelker: fucking mess which will get to be separated okay let's let's get in there ronnie get your anti-van

30:52Ronnie Karam: it's ready like i'm ready especially one of them in there especially after that robert scene i was like oh god i'm showing up there and like so we're doing it because i have keys to an antivan i will be showing up there any minute we are going to a job center we are going to an employment center sir um okay so um mary is saying you know she only has one kid and she can't believe you know someone raised three you know and so she's saying you should feel some type of accomplishment just for that you know like three kids and they're all leaving that's pretty amazing and and everyone's really quiet because now heather's mad for whatever reason and heather's initial story was a little cringe she can't spit she's got hot dogs stuck in her

31:42Ben Mandelker: teeth and she can't spit it out she's facing the judgment of those quote-unquote animals across the river that are like look at that one look at that lady over there with that food stuck in her mouth. Not even chewing it like a good. So Heather's like, I cannot wait to get home to indoor plumbing, a bed, and the ability to toe my hands to what? Wash my hands with the sink that drains. It's gonna drain. And my daughter who's still there, that little daughter. I can't wait to go home and take a bath and then see my daughter who should be gone by now. Can't wait. Can't wait to go home and get chained back up to that barnacle who I call my daughter.

32:22Ben Mandelker: Chains up the barnacle Oh it's funny That's quite a role reversal for a barnacle I have to say The barnacle's like whoa this feels nice Nice to be attached to for once

32:37Ben Mandelker: Barnacles brag to the other barnacles Oh are you guys still Attaching yourself to things I'm being chained

32:46Ronnie Karam: So now If this show hasn't

32:49Ben Mandelker: gone low rent enough the rv gets stuck in the smell and i'll talk about talk about a metaphor heather heather did a whole story about yet again had different way that she's gotten fucked over by mormonism and we cut basically into a scene of an rv stuck in a hole and so they have to everyone has to get out and push this rv out of the hole and they do actually they push it out and Mary's like

33:18Ronnie Karam: no I'm not I will not be pushing an RV no so she just sits there good for her good for her it's just so Salt Lake City when the entire cast has to get out and push the vehicle out of the muddy hole yeah setting up the backdrop of dirty snow after a scene done all unfolding chairs in a freaking camping site eating steak with plastic wear

33:44Ben Mandelker: in bowls that they can't cut the steaks. Cows watching with judgment. The cows are actually eating in a more dignified way.

33:51Ronnie Karam: SLC is just so SLC. And I love that every year they're like, you know what we're not going to do this year? Improve conditions for our cast. No. Okay? We just want more big gulp cups and folding chairs. Do we have permission to film on the shoulders of any freeways this year? Okay, we're just going to do this gorilla style. Okay, jump out of the car.

34:13Ben Mandelker: that being said i have to say i was refreshed i was uh very excited to return to society in fact i actually don't think it was like the smartest i didn't love starting the season off in this like dingy campsite i think like it was funny but i'd like starting in you know civilization and in normal life and then go on a trip but like just starting in like a shitty shitty campsite with like mud and muck and like garbage everywhere and dumpsters and like a rotting rusting school bus I don't know I think we could I think we it was funny but I like I like going through the the bland um the bland nowhere of these like suburbs that they live in what I don't know what's the right where it's not a bland nowhere it's like the generic like uh I don't know the words are gone let's just I'll just talk yeah like the intro to the new season it's like well Sean and I still

35:07Ronnie Karam: live in a house with a bed that is as big as a city, so we do not have to touch. Yeah, the generic suburbia of this cast. Heather writing another book, like, I'm writing my third book, Burping Mormon. It's about how I was never allowed to burp until I broke free of the chains of Mormonism, and now I burp whenever I want to. Burp. Sorry. I'm so sorry. It's so hard to let it go.

35:35Ben Mandelker: Just a recap on where we all stand with burping. Mary burps only once a month. Bronwyn, I'm not sure if she burps or if she farts. And Meredith, if she did burp, she would never let you hear it. Hi, I'm your narrator, Heather Gay. You exploited my burp vagina. I have to say also, like, half the charm of Salt Lake City is seeing the strange restaurants they go to. I mean, there was that season where they just ate nowhere but like Cucina Toscana. So now we see them back in their daily lives.

36:06Ronnie Karam: We get another one in this in this episode, which is great. So yeah, Whitney and her kids, they're running and she's running beside them while they e-bike. She's trying to race them. It's wacky. And then we go to Angie and Elektra walking Celia. And Angie's like, look at Celia. She wants to go see her boyfriend across the park. She's like, that's a girl, mom. Then she is a lesbian. We will go get her a lesbian dog. uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek.

36:38Ben Mandelker: It is quite Greek. I mean, Isle of Lesbos. That's Greek right there. That is Greek. So then we see Meredith and Seth looking at turkeys. They're like, wow, hey, Seth, I heard about this thing called animals, and we saw some big ones. I don't know what they were called, but I was thinking that maybe we should look at some animals also. So they are looking at turkeys and Meredith is like, the one with the red chin, is that the man? And if it is a man, is it a toddler or is it a grown man? Yeah, and he must be Mormon because he's got two wives.

37:18Ben Mandelker: Sorry, I'm a DJ now. I have to do a beat when I laugh.

37:26Ronnie Karam: So now Heather is driving and Angie calls her And they're talking about going to Amy's party Who's Amy you guys? I'm going to Amy's party We don't really have socialites in Salt Lake City Our social structure is based on church But if we did it would definitely apply to Amy She lives in a huge house She throws fabulous parties She's kind of a who's who of Salt Lake City

37:52Ben Mandelker: Wow yeah Amy I mean she's a who's who And yet we've never seen her I don't think so I don't think so I don't know Let me tell you this Amy knows a lot of

38:02Ronnie Karam: People with really Bad hair Amy is a collector Of friends with bad hair There was so much hair I thought My god you've got Angie sitting right here at the party She's got a hair salon can someone please Go what are you people doing is this like bed hair is that what you people do it's just like you wake up and it's like this is how god wanted it today so i'm just gonna put some hairspray on whatever shape i woke up with and

38:28Ben Mandelker: i'm going out with it fix yourselves yeah fix yourselves well you know if you seek amy then you gotta have good hair i guess so then you're seeking amy just know this time daily is not far behind.

38:45Ben Mandelker: La la la la la la la la. That's what I say about that. So Heather, they're all excited because Amy, Amy's throwing a party. And so Heather now drives to Marco's Bistro to meet up with Lisa Barlow, making her true in-person debut on the season because the FaceTime call on a flashback does not count. So they arrive and she's like, I feel like I haven't seen you in forever. I know. I've missed you too. I just launched a great storyline about how I can't wait for my daughter to leave my house. You must feel the same way. She's like, oh, yeah, your hair looks beautiful.

39:22Ronnie Karam: And I don't know if you saw this. And the waiter comes up and he's like, Hello. Hi. Oh my God, his eyes bulge. Is there anything I can help you? What would you like? You guys want one thing to drink? You're like, I see. You're like, I can drink. It's like, whoa, whoa, get the fuck out of here. I know this guy stands by the kitchen bossing around busboys while he's jangling change in his pocket or something. Listen here, creep. Just get me an iced tea and back away. Back away slowly, sir.

39:53Ben Mandelker: That was a real treat for Crappets on Demand. If you don't watch Crappets on Demand, you miss Ronnie. Doing a very up-close-and-person conversation. Hello. Hello. Welcome to my car. That guy flaring his eyes. That was pretty iconic. That was amazing. He needs a feather boa. He does, but he also upstaged someone in the restaurant that someone on Twitter flagged. There was a lady sitting on the neck table over.

40:17Ronnie Karam: No one's upstaging that girl. I'm telling you what. No one's upstaging that girl. We had two icons right in a row on this. Right in a row in the same scene.

40:25Ben Mandelker: And she is just looking at Heather and Lisa, like, just giving up and down with such disapproving eyes. Like, really?

40:33Ronnie Karam: Because Heather takes off her jacket. It's like winter, I guess. It's always winter there, right? So she takes off her jacket and she's wearing like a little mini skirt with, I mean, she's just so overdressed for this place. She looks crazy. She takes off her jacket. This girl just looks her up and down, I think five times. And she doesn't even do it fast. She does like a slow like, looks at her mom and then looks back and does it again. It was so good. The judgment.

41:03Ben Mandelker: it was like this is why we got sent to the side of the room because they had to film this person so I'll have the carne asada oh I love carne asada because when I was young it was very the church was very against carne asada and now I'm having it whenever I can yeah that's amazing so how was the trap like where did you guys end up going It's like Provo Canyon Oh really And we were in an RV What? Murray can't bike I can't even

41:39Ronnie Karam: Just the way Lisa reacted to this whole thing When she said When she said we went to Provo Canyon Lisa went Oh really Like gross What the fuck were you doing in Provo Canyon Don't you know they kill good time girls there Haven't you heard that

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44:08Ben Mandelker: So Heather was like, well, even though you physically weren't there, just like Martha Coolidge or whatever the name of that ghost was, you were part of the trip from the jump. A lot went down. What was the name of Mary Sorenson? Martha Sorenson? Yeah, Sorenson. Yeah, that's right. Sorenson. My love for the Coolidge, though. Basically, Lisa, you were part of the trip from the jump, just the way my daughter is part of my household, seemingly for eternity. A lot went down, unlike my life when my daughter's around. Well, I'm not just going to sit here and not say anything to Lisa. Part of our friendship is being up front with each other and making me look good and the other girls looking bad.

44:50So Lisa will like me and hate everybody else.

44:53Ben Mandelker: Yeah. Well, Bronwyn just dropped that she had been doing all this research on your businesses and your lawsuits. I'm like, this is a misrepresentation. Like, maybe Bronwyn has done the research. But, like, also it was in the newspaper. I'm sorry. If something is in the newspaper, I think it really should be more like, get this. Bronwyn still uses legacy media. That should be more of the shocker that Bronwyn sits and reads the newspaper.

45:21Ronnie Karam: Well, I mean, if she has all the cases, then I guess it would be true that she looked it up and got the cases. But they're out there and they were talked about in the paper. So fair. It's fair game. Yeah, it's very fair game.

45:32Ben Mandelker: I mean, I mean, Bronwyn did like she clearly read things with like very carefully because she was and continues to pull out specific references to these cases in a way that I know I wouldn't be able to if I just read it in the newspaper. so she did she clearly has done more than read it in the newspaper but heather makes it sound like braun went and dug up stuff that was like not out there to use on this show and it's like this is public stuff heather you're really misrepresenting the situation and we even see

46:01Ronnie Karam: the clip of braun being like it was in the newspaper like it's literally in the newspaper all you have to do is read and it's the beverly hills fight you know it's like how dare you do research on me what are you coming for me and she's like uh honey it was in the los angeles times and carl's like who reads who reads how it's disgusting to read things about your friends

46:21Ben Mandelker: reading is offensive oh kyle what an idiot so then we see her saying this and then heather's like it was clear that she was just there to annihilate you i'm like do you remember your entire storyline last season where bronwyn said one like shady thing in the car and you spent the next eight episodes talking about how Bronwyn was there to destroy it. Like, you were on a mission to destroy the newbie all of last season, and now here comes Bronwyn, who read something in the paper about your own castmate, but that's a cast that has had, like, controversy like this before, and is like, whoa, this is crazy.

46:56Ben Mandelker: And on top of that, Bronwyn also is having a beef with Lisa, so of course she's gonna bring it up. Like, why are they, why is Heather surprised with this? These two don't like each other anymore. Like, of course she's gonna bring this up and be, and, like, dance in it.

47:09Ronnie Karam: Well, I was thinking about it, you know, after I watched it, as I often do, I just sit there and think about it. You guys, like, what did I learn tonight from Salt Lake City? What did I learn? But I was thinking about it and how crazy this relationship was and, like, the levels of all the fighting. And I mean Lisa and Bronwyn because Lisa brings Bronwyn on as her friend, right? She's introduced as Lisa's friend. Lisa's talking Bronwyn up, this and that, meet my friend, she's so fabulous. Immediately Bronwyn's like, Lisa's not sticking up for me, my stupid fights that I'm having with people. And so turned on Lisa and Lisa's like, what are you talking about?

47:43Ronnie Karam: Like the whole season, Lisa was like, what are you even talking about? I'm doing nothing to you. Like, I'm, what do you want me to do? Like you're fighting with Heather. What am I supposed to do about it? It's like, you don't even like me. You're saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So I think that was Bromwell's fault last year. I totally still stand by that. I think Bromwell was a total asshole to Lisa last year. And then of course it was kind of easy because kind of everyone hates Lisa. So by the end of it, Lisa's also very easy to stir up. So then by the end of it, Lisa's playing down and dirty and it's about this necklace and I talked to this person about this necklace.

48:17Ronnie Karam: So Lisa got down and dirty by the end of last year. But in my mind, Bronwyn fucking deserved it because Bronwyn was being an asshole that whole season. So then this season, Bronwyn's like, okay, you're going to be an asshole to me? Then I'm going to come on and own all my shit and I'm going to be like you to you. And so she's being like Lisa Barlow, basically. she's getting all of the Lisa all the dirt and she's throwing it right in Lisa's face with confidence not giving a fuck and now Lisa's having a breakdown and it's hard to feel bad for Lisa because this is kind of a Lisa thing but ultimately Bronwyn started it last year so I'm looking at it like this is all kind of low that you're taking someone's like lowest point while they're being trashed in the media and immediately first episode bringing it up like that's kind of move, but it's to Lisa and Lisa spent the last part of her year coming for Bronwyn and all of her shit and there was all that shit with her kid and the kid's grandparents and all of that, which was just really icky, I think.

49:13Ronnie Karam: So, I don't know. It's just so hard to pick a side. It's like you have to stick with whatever the most recent shitty thing is and I think Bronwyn kind of won this episode. I guess that was a 20 minute way of me saying like, Bronwyn won this one fair and square. Bronwyn like

49:29Ben Mandelker: plays this episode like she and we we are on the record we are big Lisa Barlow fans like Lisa Barlow we like love her love her I'm endlessly amused and entertained by Lisa Barlow Bronwyn won this one for sure I think I personally think that last season is a little bit more was a little bit more nuanced or layered than just like oh you know Bronwyn got into a fight and then Lisa didn't have her back and Lisa's like well whatever and like that problem started at all i think there was it was more to it than that but also like not enough to that i really care to really take any stance on it i think that in this case they enter the season like you know it always resets okay so new season and they don't like each other brown there's this crazy thing happening it's in the newspaper lisa decided not to show up on the cast trip she decided to allegedly maybe go to south by southwest or if If it's not that, then she went to something else instead of being on the show.

50:26Ben Mandelker: And dangerous move to do that, especially if you've got like a sharp-tongued rival and the stuff comes up and it comes up and that's just what it is. And Heather is like, yeah, she was almost there just to annihilate you. Well, she probably was. She probably was there just to annihilate Lisa because guess what? They're in a feud, Heather, and that's just how it goes. And I think it's really shitty. And it's a horrible precedent for our friend group. And I think it's something you need to squash immediately by getting Bromain out of the friend group. Because, you know, that's what Heather's saying.

51:00That's all Heather wants.

51:01Ronnie Karam: You know, that's all Heather wants, you know. So Heather's playing her own housewives game here, too. By just being like, oh, I was the only one who stuck out for you in this whole thing. So Lisa's like, wait, how do you squash something that doesn't exhaust? Like a baseless claim that got dismissed? and another one that's on its way to getting dismissed. I mean, we didn't even do anything. It's like so dismissible. It's like so...

51:26Ben Mandelker: I mean, this whole thing is so dumb. Like, it's sort of like having regular coke. Like, that's so dumb. Like, what do you want to dig up? Like, 15 years of my life? And be like, ooh, this is naughty. Ooh, Lisa Barlow got tied to a pole by her classmates. Ooh, big deal. Like, Lisa has dismissed cases. Like, obviously, they're not that bright. because anyone with half a brawn would know a dismissed lawsuit is like nothing. It's like dismissed. Like no one sues the bottom bitch. They all go for the top. That's true.

51:58Ronnie Karam: Do people sue the bottom bitch?

51:59Ben Mandelker: I wonder if that ever really happens. I think that was actually it was a good line. It was a good line. You probably could poke holes in it but I think it was a good line in Housewives Talk. Well she

52:10Ronnie Karam: hold on. One of the things here about Lisa and her monologue and this is how I know Lisa's in trouble because normally I would come in here like Lisa will handle Bronwyn easily I think she handled her pretty easily last year so watching this I was like oh Lisa will handle her no because watching this this diary room set this confessional I knew Lisa was in trouble she looks insane her makeup I don't know her glam team was like I'm not even standing by you like they left I don't know what happened she's got a full brown line at the top of her forehead she looks like a doll you know those like old victorian dolls where they have like the foreheads and then their hair starts up here she looked like one of those there was like a full brown line of where her makeup started her hair was crazy and then her eye makeup was crazy and it looked like she had one black eye and so when she she closed her eyes it's like you're a mess like she closed her eyes one of them was it looked like it was swollen shut i was like you look like heather's storyline the season that supposedly she got punched in the face by Jen Shaw or whatever.

53:11Ronnie Karam: I mean, what is happening over there? She looks like she's been kidnapped. She looks like it's the end of a night that she's been kidnapped and she's making a video. And I knew she was in trouble.

53:21Ben Mandelker: She looks like Molly Sorensen found her. That's what I think. So then Lisa's like, look, I'll see them at Amy's and I have no problem talking about it. She's like, well, what is going on with the lawsuit that they're even talking about? Tell me, because I don't even know. Heather suddenly is playing dumb. Heather, who is one of the smartest people on this show and almost probably any other Housewives show, is suddenly like, wait a second. There's a lawsuit happening. I don't know anything about it. I don't even understand how this works. And yet somehow she's able to find out information that like Monica Garcia has a burner account that's been trolling them all.

53:59Ben Mandelker: But like this is like something that's like widely available is like, what? It's impenetrable. There's a lawsuit. What? I don't understand. things. I don't understand. Like, come on, Heather. It's actually hilarious. Reading? Where would you even read that? What's a newspaper? I've never heard of such a thing. Growing up Mormon, we weren't allowed to do that. What are you talking about? I can't wait for my daughter to move out so I could read newspapers again. So Lisa's like, yeah, well, an old business partner from 15 years ago that we sold the business, so does, and it's bossas, and molasses, and thumbs.

54:32Ben Mandelker: And then we have like another one, like in a couple weeks and I got dismissed immediately. Like there's like no client. So it's dismissed and it's ridiculous and I don't own the same kind of business as anybody else as this friend group and I love a very different life from all of you. I hang out with Blake Lively and Ben Affleck.

54:50Do you know what it's like having a meeting with Ben Affleck when he's sitting across the restaurant of Taco Deli? You don't. You don't know. You don't know what I go through. You don't know. So, So Heather's like, yeah, you know, your life is not that different from all of us. Okay. I do Botox in a strip mall with a dollar store. So pretty, pretty big deal, Lisa.

55:17Ben Mandelker: No, it is. It is. Okay. Because while you're doing Botox next to a dollar tree, I'm setting up high tops next to a dollar tree. So that's different. I do a different thing. Okay. This is Lisa's problem. Just these little comments, you know, like she's so much better than us. Like, you know, we get it. You don't want to be normal, but give the rest of us a little credit. Why don't you? So Lisa goes, did anyone stand up from her other than you? And Heather's like, um, what about Meredith? She's like, well, Meredith was, Meredith, you mean arconic? No, I meant like you were pretty quiet. And she defended you at first, but around the picnic table.

55:55Ben Mandelker: But then when the first lawsuits came out, but then it just kind of got really heated and ugly. especially when Angie kind of piled on Heather making herself sound like the only one who stood up for her when actually the only one who stood up for Lisa was Brittany Bateman by the way the only one who put herself out there and received blowback and ridicule was Brittany and Heather just did the well I don't know what's going on you guys have to tell me

56:22Ronnie Karam: yeah Heather played Brittany was the one who stuck up for her and I think Meredith did a little sticking up for her too she was like well i'm not gonna talk about her when she's not here we should talk about this with lisa yeah um so so heather just goes to turn lisa against everybody else which works because lisa is so easily swayed in these shows like they she ends up losing it whenever they want her to lose it she's just she has no control right so heather's like oh my god are you crying and lisa's just like, I wasted my inspector gadget coat for this. Open the window, please. Am I preventing?

57:03Ronnie Karam: So Lisa is crying to us now in her crazy look with her makeup, black eye. And she's like, I'm just crying because I'm so frustrated. I'm so frustrated. And it's like all these years of sacrificing, of giving 100%. Do you know what it's like to have been in the same room as Robert Redford? Nobody does. Nobody does. And now they're trying to tear it all down. They're trying to take it from me.

57:30Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I've done so many sacrifices. Do you know what it was like to leave my son? So that way I could go hang out with Blake and Ben. Your son's in Columbia. Whoa. The other son. He's very happy playing video games in his room. Oh, but it was still a sacrifice. Okay. I'm missing critical events. Okay. Like when my son, he beat that one level. That was really hard. That was hard. Because I've been putting everything into my brand. And then you guys want to sit there and act like it's no big deal to rip it down. It's okay that you feel betrayed. You were betrayed by everyone except me. And me. And the waiter.

58:08Please leave. You're making us uncomfortable. I'm just so frustrated for them to bring up shot to try and denigrate my character. It's disgusting. saying okay let's dissect everybody's life then because and then she starts doing the thing where she starts grabbing both sides of her hair with two fingers and like moving it like flipping it out and then moving it down she's like okay you know what you want to dissect everyone's life because if they want to talk about mine you know what you're opening the door for me to talk about yours that's what you're doing the door's open and then heather now stirring shit up then does

58:40Ben Mandelker: the whole well i think you can clear it up she's gonna be like the nice moderate she's gonna be the wise one who's going to bring people together when she already broke everything in the first place. So now we go. That's how Heather rolls. She gets everybody to fight. And then she's like, we are women. And what women should do to do is stand together as sisters. Sisters who were traumatized by Joseph Smith. We go through the fire. We go through the water. We deal with Molly Sorensen. In the end, we come out stronger. But only if we listen to each other. And then afterwards, I I will listen to all of you and turn it against you.

59:15Ben Mandelker: That is what we do as sisters.

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