#3019 RHOSLC S603 Part 2: Poster Child

0:21Ben Mandelker: Hi everyone, welcome back. This is part two of a two-part recap. If you're wondering where part one was, well go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. so that way you always get your episodes but enough of that let's get right back into the episode so now we go to angie arriving at heather's house speaking of heather gay and uh she goes upstairs this room this big room with all these nice windows and snowing outside it's actually quite cozy and heather's like hi i'm turning this room into well it was a storage room for all the girl stuff that was you know it was both a physical burden but also a metaphorical burden because it reminded me that i would be trapped in my bedroom the only place where i could find a sanctuary was underneath the duvet.

1:00Ben Mandelker: So I moved all of it out, just like my daughters. And I'm just going to make it my own creative office because I haven't been able to experience creativity since that first baby's head popped out of my vagina so many years ago. But now it's flowing through my veins once again. And like it's now my study annex. It's going to have a desk. It's going to have a bookcase. And this is where I'm going to write. This is where I'm going to do all the fun things I never got to do because I have daughters.

1:24Ronnie Karam: I am Greek. I am Greek. I am Greek. Oh, wow. It's a special doorbell chime for Angie. Angie, come in. I'm finally getting rid of my daughters. I'm going to call this the bitches are gone room. Come in. Check it out.

1:40Ben Mandelker: You know, for the past eight years, I feel like I've operated from my bread and bed and from bread too. And a lot of people would call that clinical depression. But I call that effectiveness. As in, my daughters are so effective in making me want to just crawl up into my bed and stay there for the rest of my life.

1:58Ronnie Karam: so she's got pink colors they're all different versions of really bright white there's like one that's tinted pink and one that's tinted mint but they're kind of fluorescent once they start putting them on the wall um but i mean i didn't like any of them yeah i didn't like you they're too icy for living you're already living in an icy place you know you need some warmth in there right well i just kind of feel like like if you're gonna go with that light just keep it white

2:23Ben Mandelker: but I like the light yellow kind of Easter colors I'm trying to get away from the trauma of Mormonism which is why I'm going to paint this room in the colors of Easter just keep it white or go for a dark contrast the three colors that she put up there pink, butter, and whatever the periolical was

2:44Ronnie Karam: I didn't like any of them kind of fluorescent-y so she's like it's supposed to be an ice blue ice pink And Angie's like, well, my house is stark white. Well, mine is too. It's white everywhere in here. I just look like floating eyes walking through my house. And Angie's like, okay. Well, Elektra doesn't like how modern and clean our house is. She wants to live somewhere warmer. She loves patterns and non-Greek people. Is she rebelling because of what she grew up in? Or is she really, this is who she's really going to be? did I raise a daughter who likes patterns?

3:24Ben Mandelker: I know I love that was the big, the worst thing. She likes patterns. She gets excited every time we drive by a Chevron station.

3:33Ronnie Karam: So the other day she told her that she's working on getting her Greek citizenship. And Heather's like, Oh my God, you are, I love that. And so they hug and stuff. And she's like, well, I had to tell you, but when I shared it with the Electra, I thought she would say, Ooh, cool but her reaction was not what i expected doodly doodly doodly doodly doodly doodly so we go to a memory of her telling her telling electra that she's getting her citizenship and electra's like i don't care you're really taking this great thing far mom fuck

4:11Ben Mandelker: she's like well mom that's your whole identity but it's not mine and i don't know why you're make being Greek your whole identity? Did I not give her enough baklava? Did I not give her enough spanakopita as a child? Have I failed? Have I failed Zeus? She said the most offensive thing

4:28Ronnie Karam: that she could ever say to me. She said, Mom, not every day is Lainey Kazan day. How dare you?

4:34Ben Mandelker: I'll tell you, Electra is never going to be on House Hunters because they don't like people that say I grew up in a modern house and therefore I don't want that. Everyone on House Hunters is just reliving their childhood. like, well, I really want to have an open concept house that's dark white because that's what I grew up with and I just really love it.

4:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Especially the men, though, on that show. The men are, like, really attached to their childhood homes. They're like, this is the first time. My father really disapproved of me, and the first memory I had of him being disappointed in me, the room had wood paneling, so I'd love a room with wood paneling. It's like, bro.

5:10Ben Mandelker: We had a leaky radiator growing up that almost gave us carbon monoxide poisoning five times so if we could have that in the house i would love that it's just okay great i love that thrill that's what they all are because they don't have any design sense and they don't they don't know anything about interior design or like what makes the house good so all they can rely on is like their fond childhood memories and then all these people have to like cater to it and it's so stupid but anyway uh angie is basically saying how like being a parent to a is like walking a tightrope and like she doesn't want to be me by her side every minute.

5:44Ben Mandelker: She doesn't need me by her side. She's becoming independent. And I'm like, hello, I am a recent gay icon in pop culture. How do you not want me by your side? I'm hilarious. Gays love me. What is wrong with you?

5:58Ronnie Karam: I just want her to want to be my best friend and go everywhere with me. Cut to Heather. Thank God my daughters aren't by my side anymore. Wanting to be me, wanting to be my best friend. Fuck those bitches! So Heather's like, wow, it really hurts. You have to put your ego on the back burner with girls, you know? That's what I tell them. Put your ego on the back burner and put your backpack on your back with all of your belongings into it and get out of my house.

6:24Ben Mandelker: You know me, Heather Gay, known for putting her ego on the back burner. Anyway, here is a copy of my latest book. Please take this with you as you go and give it to a stranger and tell them to give a good review on Yelp.

6:36Ronnie Karam: So we've talked about Ice Pink. Let's talk about the party the other day. Okay? At Amy, the socialite's house. It was just so loud. I was just so afraid of getting caught in the fray of all of it. So I just hid. I just hid away.

6:52Ben Mandelker: More like you lit the match and then covered while the explosion went off. You threw the rock and you ran and hid. You ran and hid your hands. Molotov cocktail. You are not a shrinking violet. Roses are red. Violets are shrinking. Wait. So then we see a flashback of literally Heather running away from the conflict that she was part of brewing up. And then when you'd be like, wait, Heather, I can't do this without you. Roses are red. What are violets? What color are they? Violets are green. See, I need Heather.

7:29Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you did disappear. And I'm like, where are you? I needed you. But Brittany ran over to Lisa and sells me out to bring up my comment. And Heather's like, well, clearly we have a friend who's either in financial distress or living a lie or she's under attack because of these lawsuits. So what is it?

7:50Ben Mandelker: Part of me has compassion for her. And then part of me is like, she's never going to change. She aggrandizes everything. Pete, I'm sorry, you're Angie K. Did you just say, did you say that word? I did. I learned it today in Greek vocabulary class. She brags about everything. She misses a girl's trip to be with Ben Affleck. She's claiming she's going to Ben Affleck's premiere party. And yet she's posting photos like those AI photos of herself in a hotel room. And we see a photo of Lisa living, like looking all chic with like an AI hotel room in the background.

8:23Ronnie Karam: And she's like, yeah, she said at lunch with me that she had a very different life than me, you know? and she's just total rich and fancy life outside of our circle. But we're all women. We're all women who deserve a chance, a chance to be fancy, a chance to be aggrandizing. Hey, wait a minute. I said that word.

8:46Ben Mandelker: No, I learned that word from Rihanna. That's my celebrity friend. Oh, okay. You know, it hurt my feelings. It says our lives are not that different. I said our lives are not that different and we're both sitting in the same restaurant we're both wearing the same thigh-high boots. I mean, hello, if you were so famous, why would you be wearing the same thigh-high boots as I am? Right? Like, I thought we had a lot more in common. We both love boots that come up to the same part of our leg.

9:12Ronnie Karam: Everyone's been, I've read a lot of comments that people are like, oh God, look at Heather, you know, always kissing someone's ass. Now she's kissing ass trying to be friends with Lisa. I don't really see that. I see her as like manipulating and just being like, okay, well, let's turn everybody against Lisa because she's lighting this fire to make Lisa fight with everybody. I mean, the ladies were talking about it, but the way that Heather repeated it to Lisa was to start a huge war, which she did, and then just sat back and kind of laughed. So I don't know if she's trying to kiss Lisa's ass or if she's really just trying to be like, okay, fine, I'll be friends with Lisa, and now you guys can all see what a monster she is.

9:52Ronnie Karam: And so she's just pushing – not that Lisa needs much help, honestly. but um yeah i'm confused about heather's motives here it's going to be interesting to see how she

10:03Ben Mandelker: acts the rest of the season well i really value my friendship with lisa and i've worked hard to stay in a good place with lisa and part of part of that is me accepting her how she is and i'm not trying to change or improve her behavior but she's almost impossible to defend at this point i mean we're wearing the same thigh high boots i mean i'm supposed to defend her and this is how she acts bragging about hanging out with ben affleck and you know celia ward it's hard it's

10:32Ronnie Karam: hard for me well she throws her grenades and then she diminishes what you've done to confuse you and to distract you and i just want the truth i told her the other night let us let me in let us be friends tell us about your lawsuit i love how andrew reframes it it's like i was just trying to be her friend. Tell me about your lawsuits. I really want to know.

10:54Ben Mandelker: Well, you know, I think Lisa thought you guys had a real friendship, and so that's why she feels like this is a real betrayal. Sort of like the betrayal I felt when I thought having daughters would be enriching, and instead it robbed me of all the joy in my life.

11:06Ronnie Karam: I feel betrayed too, though, by all of the nothing she has done to me this season. I'm very, very betrayed. So then we go to the Blue Sky Lodge, and it's Skeet shooting time. And we get like a nice slow motion shot of Lisa from behind, aiming her gun, being all sexy. Skeet shooting, shooting a skeet.

11:28Ben Mandelker: Yeah, and they're shooting. And it's like, and she's like, blue skies like a refuge for me. So to go skeet shooting, it's something I do with my family. And like, I don't really want everybody here. It's like a very private, emotional, cozy, important skeet shooting scene. And it's only a few people can be here. Like some people are so willing to stab me in the backs. So I'm sure they would, I wouldn't have a problem shooting me either. So I only invited Emma, Meredith, Mara and Heather. This is the right group to, to, to let off some steam before I go blow things up at lunch. So like Mary, since when is, or Mary and Lisa close.

12:05Ben Mandelker: So then everyone's shooting their, their, their, their clay birds, their clays, but Heather doesn't get it, which is sad.

12:12Ronnie Karam: Yeah. That's the only one that doesn't get it, which was kind of shocking. Everybody else got it. Yeah. Have you ever done ski shooting? No. That looks so hard. Yeah. It's like a little tiny moving dot in the sky. I don't think I'd be good at that. How do you do it? Yeah.

12:27Ben Mandelker: I remember playing it in Duck Hunt and I was like, I can't do this.

12:29Ronnie Karam: I was terrible at Duck Hunt. I'm still terrible at Duck Hunt. I think they have it at Dave and Busters or one of those. I've played it recently and I still suck.

12:37Ben Mandelker: I mean, I would hold my gun right up to the screen. You're supposed to stand back, but I hold my gun right up to the screen. I'd be like, you know, and still somehow wouldn't wouldn't get the ducks. Yeah. My dog would come up and it would laugh at you.

12:50Ronnie Karam: Stupid dog. So now it's time to go to the lodge at blue sky for lunch. So Angie, Bronwyn, Brittany, and Whitney, Brittany and Whitney, Bronwyn, and Angie, they arrive. And Angie is like, I'm surprised she is even hosting a lunch and invited us. What more could she possibly have to say? There's gotta be a reason that we are here. And surely there is. and it has to do with Kinko's poster board printing. Doom, doom, doom.

13:18Ben Mandelker: Yeah. They all go into a room and it has giant posters of like various court documents and they all say dismissed across them. And Bronwyn's like, this is like the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And I've seen my own confessionals. This is dumb.

13:34Ronnie Karam: She's cracking up. She's like, this is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. It's also very Karen Huger coded. You know, her tax meeting or her tax press conference or whatever she had girls uh so she's like you know what hi everybody welcome to lunch i just want to point this out allegations are not facts and for those that need to know that deny deny deny okay and they're just cringing everybody's like oh my god ron was like those posters are just so childish for so many reasons and you know the main one um like it's like the kind of posters I made at FedEx studio. Okay. When I was in middle school, like this is just, this is a laughable to me.

14:15Ronnie Karam: Hold on. Hold on. I'll laugh. Laughable.

14:21Ben Mandelker: Barry's like, well, I'm confused. I'm going to stay confused and I will leave confused, which is funny, but also applies to so many scenes that Mary is in. It's not the first time

14:31Ronnie Karam: she's had to say that sentence. It's just Mary's, Mary's role, you know? So she walks in and Mary's the only one who walks right up to the posters and tries to read them, which I really liked. And so she's trying to read them and she goes, wait, where's the clarity? Where's the clarity? Like, why is it blurred? It's hurting my eyes. It's too blurred. And she's right. Lisa has stuff up there, but some of it's like blurred out and none of it really says anything, you know? So she's saying she wants to have this transparent lunch, but she's not transparent about anything or talks about what any of the cases were about and why they were bullshit.

15:05Ronnie Karam: And she's just like, I can't have a transparent lunch.

15:08Ben Mandelker: You know? You can't have a transparent lunch and put up blurry images. Just say that right now. So Heather's like, wow, it's like a science fair, but no one actually did their project. I love that she has easels. P.S. I hate science fairs. I'm like, okay, Heather, this is not your greatest work. We're reaching the bottom of the barrel of your interview commentary here. So Whitney's like, I love the Photoshop work. It's fabulous. And Robin's like, yeah, the Photoshop is fantastic. This proves nothing, by the way. she took some cart document and then she put a red stamp on it hey it's important to put make things red because unity is my daughter and there's a picture of john and lisa and it's like

15:52Ronnie Karam: a houseboat or a yacht i'm confused so good so she not only puts up poster boards she puts pictures up to remind them that she's rich she has some random picture blown up of them standing on the edge of a boat and mary's like uh why am i looking at them on a yacht and andy says um it's very far away so you can't see that that was like 30 years ago was the last time she was on a yacht

16:19Ben Mandelker: and then there's a picture of them at a jazz game and britney's like oh my god that's a really cute picture of you guys just yeah i know that's me and john front row at the jazz game and then robin just looks at it and it's like yeah these are not actually courtside seats because these These are not the folding chairs by the court, but nice try. I was like, I love that she just clocked that right away. It's like, this is not courtside.

16:41Ronnie Karam: But Lisa's just so out of touch. I mean, to post jazz, you sitting in good jazz seats when the whole plot two years ago was just for jazz. You taking jizz for getting jazz tickets. And now the allegation is that you've been fucking some guy for his Amex card. And it was the same guy who was getting you the jizz for jazz tickets. And now you're posting pictures bragging about the jazz tickets. It's like, come on, man. You need to fight for your own cause here. It's like you're providing evidence.

17:10Ben Mandelker: Yeah, seriously. So Lisa's like, hey, Meredith, as a lawyer, I thought you would have pressured us. And then she's like showing up. There's a poster that just has like all these allegations that like she says or like deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. We'd later find out. Well, actually, I'm sorry. The allegations all say deny, deny, deny, deny. The allegations are denied, but she has written dismissed, which is different. And Mereth says, well, in my expert legal opinion, I don't think these posters are what you would normally use as exhibits in a courtroom. However, they get the point across, and I think there'd be great artwork for the back of my DJ set.

17:51Ben Mandelker: So Lisa's like, well, this is litigation by Lisa Barlow. People can sue you for anything. You could look at them the wrong way. They can sue you. Your coffee might be too hot when you go to a drive-thru. They could sue you. Sometimes they think that because you have too many Chanel bags that they should have those Chanel bags too. So they can sue you for those too. And you can allege everything. So yeah, I figured I'm going to have a little lunch and we're going to talk about the allegations versus the facts. I'm like, okay. She's like very afraid of like a communist agenda. She's like, they want my bags because I've got bags.

18:20Ben Mandelker: I will not give bags to the par. No, I earned those. I'm like, okay, let's relax a little bit.

18:25Ronnie Karam: But also, please do talk about allegations versus facts. I mean, if that's what you're going to do. But, you know, this wasn't spilling coffee into McDonald's, Lisa. So if you're going to talk about the cases, do it. Writing denied, denied. It's like you're accused of this. I deny it. Boom. Innocent. Innocent. They wrote down denied. So innocent. So Heather's like, wow, I love the decor. What's the theme of this luncheon? Have I done the science fair thing yet?

18:53Ben Mandelker: Okay. Hey, today is all about May and about the things that people like to discuss about May. And like on camp day, awful things were said about May. So I decided I would dedicate a lunch where you guys can like get complete clarity on accusations and misinformation and lies.

19:08Ronnie Karam: And by clarity, I mean you can start to say things and they'll be like, no, no, no. But we've already read it. That's how we know about it. Yeah, we read it, Lisa. We read it. Well, obviously not very good Because you didn't spend the extra$25 To get dismissals So, you know what? If you spent$25, they would have said dismissal So, you know what? You're cheap What are you going to sue me because you didn't have$25? Lisa, what is it clarify? Yeah, it clarifies Dismissed, dismissed, dismissed It all says dismissed That's what it says, it's very clarified Oh, dismissed? Because you pay them back or dismissed because they were fake yeah you know what it's dismissed because it's none of your fucking boss not that's why it was that's nice

19:57Ben Mandelker: you can't have a party and be like i'm here to clarify things and someone says okay so here's a question well it's none of your business

20:06Ronnie Karam: it's not how that works she's doing so so badly it's just so bad it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial

20:21Ronnie Karam: so and she's like okay well i will ask you some questions that could actually help you and shut it down but you know look things that look strange people are reading that you had another man's credit card in your wallet you know what i'm happy to run around and explain things for example dismissed dismissed you know it says dismissed number two this man aggrandized you and

20:47Ben Mandelker: pay your car off. Yeah. And like number three, get this man paid for your remodel of your home.

20:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you know what? Denied. That's why the court case says denied, denied, denied, denied, denied. And you owe him

20:59Ben Mandelker: $118 ,000.

21:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but that's not true. None of that's true. It's all denied. You can read it. You know what? Pay$25 and you can read it in the court case. And so, Lisa can Photoshop just,

21:11Ben Mandelker: yeah, Lisa can Photoshop dismissed on any document she wants, but for the one case that's still open. Lisa and her lawyer are only denying these claims and that case is actually not dismissed.

21:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you know what? I can say without a doubt, this is a fanciful tale. Read my response. Like there's something on the menu that's called the fanciful tale because it's like fanciful. It's like a tale and it's fanciful and that's it. That's all you need to know. Taskmaster.

21:41Ben Mandelker: It's such a stretch. I love that she's like, yeah, this is a fanciful tale. And I'm saying that phrase because there's a cocktail called the Fenceful Tale. So it's a tie-in to the menu. See? I'm a good party guy.

21:53Ronnie Karam: So you don't have a credit card that he got in your name. And Amy's like, oh, hi, Amy, the socialite over here. Hi, Angie. You know, they were in business together and they were business partners.

22:05Ben Mandelker: So Lisa, Lisa, what was that part to Smith, Lisa?

22:10Ronnie Karam: It's in the process. It's in the process, That's what you would know if you had like an extra$6 to pay for the processed parts. Yeah, but you wrote dismissed on it. Yeah, get more money. No, but get more money so that you could know that it's like it's being processed. But you wrote dismissed on it. So is it processed or is it being dismissed? Yeah, but you could only see the word dismissed because I paid the extra$9 to see the dismissed word. So, you know, basically I'm rich and you're poor. So your response is you're just denying them.

22:40Ben Mandelker: That's your response that you're denying them. Once again, these words are not interchangeable The claims are being denied This one case is not dismissed It's just denied

22:49Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but I hope you enjoy the cocktail on the menu Called fanciful tale Because that's how my lawyer described these allegations He said, you know what? It's a fanciful tale So we made a drink out of it Do you guys like it? I'm innocent

23:03Ben Mandelker: I'm going to just say this right now I don't think any lawyer said this is a fanciful tale I do

23:07Ronnie Karam: I think it was like, oh really? Well, this is all a nice fanciful tale but we are going to move to have this dismissed. And she's like, yeah, it was the fanciful tale. Ask my lawyer.

23:19Ben Mandelker: I feel like the fanciful tale was like the name of the cocktail that was already on the menu. And she's like, oh yeah, put that on our menu. Yeah. Cause it's like, I'll just say my lawyer said that it's so good. It's so good. Denied, denied, denied. So Angie's like, I don't even understand.

23:35Ronnie Karam: I think that she put that, she, she named the drink for that. Cause she made the menu. It's her lunch. So wasn't it all stuff that was based on this court case? It's like, okay, everybody, enjoy the dismissed salad. You know what? Okay, I hope you guys enjoy the pay the extra$11 pot stickers.

23:54Ben Mandelker: Enjoy this cocoa that's brought to you by Swiss Dismiss. So Angie is like, I don't even understand what she's talking about. And I keep hearing a fanciful tale like she's like a princess in a story that has a happy ending, but it's not a goddamn fairy tale. you're not wearing a princess dress you're not twirling around bitty boop bitty boop and there's and then all the cases disappear because that's what she's trying to make it sound like

24:19Ronnie Karam: yeah um lisa's not doing great here so she's uh brahman's like okay well um i don't believe you it's not just me you've done it to other people at the table too okay you've you've done digging you're a digger you've dug behind my back you've done it to a lot of people and she's like i didn't dig behind your back. I didn't dig behind your back. You know what, Bronwyn? You're so full of shit. You know what? You don't know anything about digging, but we do know that you like to dig. Yeah. Nailed that. You dig. You're a digger. I do know when everybody tells me you've done it to them. Yeah. No. I do know that.

24:50Ronnie Karam: Because you're digging. That's why. You're digging. You know what? You're obsessed with talking about me because you got busted lying on jewelry you didn't buy and you can't buy. You know what? I'm none of your business and you're none of mine. Don't talk to me ever again, Digger. Don't ever do it.

25:06Ben Mandelker: I love whenever she says, don't talk to me ever again. She does that all the time. Like, never speak to me for the rest of eternity. Like, when you're, like, still at a table with her. Bronwyn's like, well, then why do you keep talking about me? It's endless. The amount of things you say about me. You came into Amy's house. I had to apologize to Amy for this fight that we had in her house. And Amy, once again, so sorry about that. Don't speak. You don't have to respond to that. You were calling me a whore. You did do that, Lisa.

25:29Ronnie Karam: I never called you a whore, Okay It's peggish to brag about doing blowjobs That's it You said I suck dick for money Is this how you're trying to get away from the fact That your husband's a misogynistic asshole Is that how you're trying to get away from that

25:43Ben Mandelker: The table is you saying I suck dick for money Because that's misogynist This gets a big head nod from me Because that is female on female bullshit And you know it

25:53Ronnie Karam: Honey honey honey You know what the only reason you brought it up Is because you got busted lying You got busted lying

26:00Ben Mandelker: And I have explained to all of them this You chose not to come camping And you chose not to listen to my story About how I was just trying to fit in with the cool girls And I'm actually almost a victim at this point For my own lying Yeah but you know why

26:12Ronnie Karam: Because Ben Affleck and Blake Lively At Anna Kendrick's movie premieres You know what so sorry Anna Kendrick is more important Okay

26:21Ben Mandelker: Wow she really used the Anna Kendrick card there To get out of that one

26:25Ronnie Karam: I didn't know that was a card that was available and Mary just starts laughing she's like wow yes Anna Kendrick yes

26:35Ben Mandelker: guys none of that stuff matters sort of like my wants and wishes while I had daughters in the house what matters is that we were all on a trip and Bronwyn dropped a lot of facts about Lisa that you were wanting to have a luncheon to what clarify let's talk about it

26:51Ronnie Karam: okay but you know what let me clarify this let me clarify this dismissed dismissed dismissed

27:02Ronnie Karam: well I hope it's not true and I hope you do clear it up because I don't want to be you know what I don't want this to be the case Lisa I don't want this to be the case I don't I don't

27:11Ben Mandelker: well I want to make this very clear all of this is true and these things happened I did get sued one two three four and I'll probably get sued in the future okay probably by Anna Kendrick let's be honest but is there merit to it no can anyone sue for anything Yes. Do I have money? Yes. Do I love my business? Yes. Am I proud of what I accomplished? Yes. Do I factor my receivables? 100%. Do I love a rhetorical question? Yes.

27:34Ronnie Karam: Where did that come from? All of it was making sense until, do I factor my receivables? 100%. What does that even mean? I don't even know what that means.

27:46Ben Mandelker: It's business talk. So Whitney's like, I don't know. Whitney gets upset about this.

27:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I don't know if her receivables are the money she's getting from her business partner and she's factoring that. I mean, I have no idea. So Whitney's like, Lisa is completely unhinged. Now that we're talking about factoring, I can't even say she's a train that went off the rails. Like, she's derailed. Yeah. She's not off the rails. She's derailed.

28:16Ben Mandelker: If you know what I mean, we do. factoring receivables is a financial process where a business sells its unpaid customer invoices to a factoring company I guess like you get you sell your debt I guess for those wondering

28:29Ronnie Karam: so um and she's like um I thought I was invited to a ladies luncheon um are we going to order I like that the girl comes over and she's like uh can we order just like this little teenager they just keep screaming at each other and fighting over it Heather's like I'll have the thank god my fucking daughters are out of my house stupid little bitches soup Thank you. Great.

28:53Ben Mandelker: So Lisa's like, well, what were you hoping to gain from talking bad about me? And they're just like, okay, let's clear it up. Will you listen? Well, why would you do it by my back? It's like, Lisa, you elected not to go on the first big trip of the season and then you're shocked that your show that's built on gossip had you in the crosshairs. That's what you get. Sorry. If you want to control the narrative, you got to be there. so mary's saying like it wasn't like this is why she's so perfect for this show because all she

29:21Ronnie Karam: needs to do is say you guys everybody gets sued you guys know that this stuff is a bunch of bullshit this guy's you know what you ask me whatever questions okay lisa did you have a credit card yes i worked with the guy it's normal for us to both have credit cards for the business but he was the funder of the business so that's why the credit card was under his name why don't you pay it yeah because we got in a business dispute and he's trying to i mean she could just do calmly answer the shit and it would go away but instead she's like that's mass that's

29:52Ben Mandelker: a poster she's also like totally unhinged as she says this stuff like like lady you're no she's not i'm hinged she's de hinged she's off the hinge no but it's just funny because lisa it's like you you're not ambushed in this situation. You have all your talking points. The fact that she can't recite her talking points calmly, the fact that she flies off the handle immediately when she has all, she created this event. How are you not in control of your own narrative at your own party that was to surprise them? She's just screaming, like, you don't know, you don't know, go away, I don't want to talk to you ever again.

30:32Ben Mandelker: It's like, Lisa, you should have complete control in this scene. But she's like, I'm going to ask a very simple question and I might even be a two-parter, okay? What was your objective in talking by my back? And what were you hoping to gain from that?

30:45Ronnie Karam: It's like an HR question all of a sudden. Well, what were you hoping to gain from these posters? But I'm asking a simple question. Okay, what were you gaining? Okay, number one, I've watched you talk about people's businesses. No, you haven't. Yes, I have. No, you haven't. Thank you for the story, though. Thank you for the story. You know what? Your story's done. That was like a poor person's story.

31:10Ben Mandelker: Spend$12 for an extra page to finish your story. This is Greek frustrating. No, you're frustrating. Well, you're very frustrating. No one makes me want to get out of my chair more than you because that's my iconic thing is to get out of a chair. And I mean, you've been one of my closest friends, but you are also so fucking frustrating when you won't listen. You are too. Frustrating, frustrating. And then it goes to commercial break and we come back. And she's like, and you talk and I'm willing to listen. and I added on to that comment that was made and I'm just going to spell it out again. No, I'm not the one trying to be Jenshaw.

31:45Ronnie Karam: And so now Angie gets really pissed. It's like, you think I want to be Jenshaw? You look like her though, but you look like her. You've got the same hair girl, the same everything. She's like, no, this is my fucking hair girl. Now she stands. Now she's mad because they're fighting about hair girls and brow girls. Yeah. That's what you really need to get to Angie. Like you mess with her hair girls. You are dead.

32:11Ben Mandelker: Yeah. This is a nice twist on the Tamra judge. Jen wants to look like me. Now we have a, you want to look like Jen in this case, Shaw fight with her, with your hair. So Lisa's like, yeah. Okay. You don't have the same hair, but you have the same brow girl and the same lash girl and the same nail girl. God forbid. So Angie's like, like I have been going to my brow girl for 14 years. Listen, see, look, you better listen to this. Cause this is about a brow girl. You better listen. my brow girl for 14 years she's the fucking best brow girl in all of salt lake city and britney's like wait a second is that the same brow girl who was flirting with jared flashback to one a year ago

32:53Ronnie Karam: and she telling sean that her brow girl was getting dms from jared blah blah blah blah but what about me Brittany tried to insert herself so Angie's like everybody knows the brow girl you've used her you've used her you've tried her you've tried her and Lisa and Brittany's like but I want to know does anyone else want to know am I the only one who wants to know about the brow girl

33:18Ben Mandelker: I haven't used the brow girl no I haven't done it like everyone ignores Brittany as she tries to like pivot herself into this and then Angie's like everyone loves her and Mary's like, yeah, she's the best. And I was like, this is totally stupid.

33:30Ronnie Karam: It's like a science fair. Lisa, get to the meat and potatoes. So the waitress is trying to get orders and it's a mess and they won't stop yelling at each other, Lisa and Angie. And Amy stands up finally. It's like, Lisa, we have to order, please. She's like, you compared me to Jen Shaw. But we can get back to this, Lisa, please. We need to order food. We need to have food in front of us that we're not eating, Lisa. It's the point of the show.

34:00Ben Mandelker: It seems like if you're going to have a lunch, there should be food. Man cannot survive on poster board alone. By the way, why can't Angie just say it was a joke? Lisa, it was a joke. I mean, because I've been waiting for like two episodes for Angie just to say it was a joke, but they can't get to it. Because now Whitney jumps in and she goes, Wait, can I ask a question? And I think it's going to clarify a lot. What's wind? Like, what is it if you think about it? Think about it. Who's blowing it? Where does it come from?

34:34Ronnie Karam: Where is it going? If you are being accused of asking for$400 ,000 and we hear about it and we read about it and we're tagged in it, what are we supposed to think? Whitney, there are a lot of accusations about you and mine and that doesn't make them true. Yeah, but like, now you pipe in, Meredith. You were silent when we were camping. No, I was not silent.

35:03Ben Mandelker: I was FaceTiming with my toddler. You were. I was making sure he was safe from Martha Sorensen or Molly Sorensen or whoever that evil woman was who wants to prey on my baby.

35:13Ronnie Karam: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So we see a flashback to camping, and Meredith is like, we shouldn't be speaking. I'm at least behind this. is back. We should wait until Lisa's here. She needs the opportunity to present poster boards with her things on it. And so we come back and Brittany's like, well, I mean, I thought that was fun. I thought that was standing up for someone. Yeah, what are you supposed to do?

35:41Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I think that's totally acceptable. Meredith Marks standing up. So Brittany's like, well, I was surprised that Meredith didn't speak up more because she's got legal expertise. Okay, well, that's real funny, Brittany. Another lie from you. You know what you are? We'll call you Little Miss Perjury. That's legal for lying, because that's what you do under oath.

36:00Ronnie Karam: Yeah, you would know that if you paid the extra $18 to get to the perjury part, non-payer.

36:07Ben Mandelker: Well, I would have been interested in your perspective, because you're the only one with a law degree.

36:11Ronnie Karam: Well, I spoke about it legally. Maybe you didn't listen legally.

36:18Ben Mandelker: No, you didn't say it. Was she not off? I mean, like, mostly silent. Wasn't she mostly silent everyone? She was silent, right? Did anyone know her?

36:24Ronnie Karam: I don't want to hear the lines anymore, buddy. I do not want to hear the lines anymore.

36:32Ben Mandelker: Mary's like, no, you did not stick up for your friend, Mary. Yes, I did, Mary. I just, no, you didn't. Well, I spoke up. I said, don't you dare say that. I said, don't say that. And then I said the rest through my eyes. Oh, you know what?

36:47Ronnie Karam: They're trying to cause problems with us, Lisa. Don't listen to them And Lisa's like I'm not I'm not listening to them I believe you I believe you Meredith I believe you

36:59Ben Mandelker: This doesn't prove anything Lisa It doesn't

37:03Ronnie Karam: Oh yeah how are you unwinding Your business Whitney How are you unwinding that Don't talk about her business Yeah they're all offended that she's talking About business how dare you don't say anything About her business you're deflecting Oh yeah but how are you unwinding that

37:20Ben Mandelker: You don't know anything about my business. Stop it. Yeah, you don't know anything about Blake Lively. But I'm getting out of business. It didn't work out for me. Oh, so nobody put money into your company?

37:36Ronnie Karam: No one did like a$10 ,000 buy-on?

37:39Ben Mandelker: No, Justin and I put in money in chocolate syrup, and we put in that money. And I'm paying out of... wait, line, can I start on the top about this?

37:51Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but you know what? Then why are people bitching about you on TikTok? Yeah, because you're like on TikTok.

37:57Ben Mandelker: Oh, digger, digger, there she is. Which was, by the way, true. That was hilarious when Lisa was going hard in the paint saying she doesn't dig things up and she's already brought up three different things in this luncheon alone about stuff that she's read somewhere. There she is.

38:13Ronnie Karam: But no, I don't think so because Whitney's argument was Lisa, everyone's tagging us in all these stories is online. How are we not supposed to know? And then she turns around and she's like, oh, you heard something about me on TikTok? Then you're digging. No, I mean, if it's okay for you to talk about stories that you were tagged on on Instagram, you think she's not tagged on all these stories too? They're also ridiculous.

38:32Ben Mandelker: They're funny. I think Whitney has a point here because Lisa, because, well, the original argument was with Bronwyn and like Lisa's accusing Bronwyn of digging things up and Bronwyn's like, you dig. And then Lisa's like, I don't dig. I don't dig at all. And then Lisa's like, Like, oh, well, this is what I found out about you on TikTok. It's like, you do dig as much as everyone else does. And the truth is, like, digging something up, like, finding something on TikTok is more diggy than lawsuits being in the newspaper, I think.

39:01Ronnie Karam: No, I don't think so. More people watch TikTok, especially in that group. More people watch TikTok than read a newspaper. I mean, look at Beverly Hills. They couldn't even get through an entire article about Erica. Like, but they'll know everything that's on TikTok. I mean, I don't think it's digging. I mean, personally, I just don't think it's digging to say, oh, I saw something on TikTok about you.

39:21Ben Mandelker: Well, I think the point is that Lisa's acting like she is like, oh, she's too busy to deal with this because she's dealing with Ben Affleck and Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick. But she's just down in the trenches like everyone else.

39:32Ronnie Karam: Yeah, yeah. They're all hypocrites, I guess is what I'm saying. They're so silly because one minute Whitney's like, oh, really? But we didn't dig anything. We just saw it on social media. And then when Lisa's like, well, I saw something on social media. digger okay they're all ridiculous so when he's like bitch there are so many tiktoks about you and your new facelift and i'm not bringing that up and there's legal documents like coming for me is not going to vindicate you in the court of law in the court of law whitney you're the last person

40:07Ben Mandelker: that needs to be talking right now just in general has nothing to do with this argument She's scared everybody

40:11Ronnie Karam: She's scared No I'm not scared Dismissed You're scared Okay are you fucking kidding me Are you fucking kidding me

40:18Ben Mandelker: If I were scared Would I pay 25 extra dollars To get the full article I don't think so Yeah Cause you're covering up

40:23Ronnie Karam: For the truth Cause you're scared

40:26Ben Mandelker: No I'm not scared of the truth You're scared of the truth Guess what Guess what I just did I took what you said I turned it around Made it about you Cause yeah you've lied about me Okay you're scared about You're scared about the truth Cause you lied Yeah yeah

40:36Ronnie Karam: Yeah you know what And there's a judge That says fucking dismissed and that's not a cover up. You unwinding your fake fucking bleep is a cover up. Okay, that's what it is. Bleep cover up.

40:47Ben Mandelker: You don't know anything about that. Why are you lying? Why are you going there right now, Lisa? Why?

40:54Ronnie Karam: You're disgusting, you fucking red... I thought she said redneck, but I guess she said redhead.

41:00Ben Mandelker: Well, I thought she had said redneck and then the caption looked like it had said redhead to me, but it was obscured.

41:10Ronnie Karam: I was pretty sure she said redneck, but here's Whitney's Instagram post from today or yesterday, right after the show. So much to unpack here. At first I laughed when I saw because I thought she called me redneck and I was laughing at my own miss. Huh? But then I realized, no, then I realized that she actually called me redhead as an insult. And it just sent my entire heart bursting in pain for all of the redheads that I love deeply. This, in all caps, right here is all caps, exactly why I colored my hair red. Sad crying face. If you are naturally redhead, please know that you are beautiful and rare.

41:53Ronnie Karam: Star emoji. Don't listen to the hate. One day you will love your natural beauty. Heart. Don't let Lisa's bullying get to redheads. okay britney okay i think you're a real trevor project over there with me we are both children

42:12Ben Mandelker: of redheads and yeah uh we we we take this issue very seriously but and i've never been bullied

42:20Ronnie Karam: harder than i was by that redhead so i'm not i'm not worried about the redheads of my world that's

42:26Ben Mandelker: for sure uh but it was funny because i did notice i was like okay because i went back and i was like I'm pretty sure there was like a little, there was some, there was some obfuscation. And so, but I'm looking at, I was like, I'm pretty sure that says red head. But then when he said, Oh, red neck. So now it, now it makes sense that she heard red neck, but Lisa Barlow said red head. I also love that. Like Lisa Barlow's insult has like no craftsmanship to it. It's just like red head.

42:55Ben Mandelker: It's not like you, you, you, you, ginger-haired fucking freak or something like that. Like it was not even, that's not good either, but at least there was something to it. It's not like, you're tomato-headed. Twinkie face.

43:15Ronnie Karam: You upper-crisp Wendy head. You ketchup-headed.

43:21Ben Mandelker: Stupid body.

43:22Ronnie Karam: Period. Head. So, Lisa's like, you lied about Alibaba And you lied about all this shit And you know what I've got it on my phone you liar But I don't search from Alibaba I'm fighting for Wild Rose Beauty As a woman in business I'm fighting for Whitney Wild Roses Good You know what that's your excuse So you know what no one's talking about her Because she's upset Okay she's so upset

43:51Ben Mandelker: She's a real Meg Whitman over there So oh well Okay well this is great the liar is lying a little bit more because Whitney's like and I didn't pile on Meredith didn't stand up for you everyone talked about it and I did not pile on I didn't pile on yes you

44:09Ronnie Karam: did whatever and whatever Lisa deserves the pile on even if everybody did do it Lisa loves getting in that mess as much as everybody else so Whitney's like but yeah but I'm paying off my debts and I'm paying off my partnership because I have the money to do it. Yeah. Okay, so now you're bragging about money like Lisa. I mean, these ladies are so ridiculous. I love them.

44:32Ben Mandelker: She throws a napkin at Lisa. They're like, oh my God. Good luck. I'm not being accused of owing people money. I owe people money. I'm not being accused because I already owe them. I'm being accused of paying them back.

44:47Ronnie Karam: I'm not either. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. So she like kind of pushes her away because Whitney's trying to get in her face. And so Whitney just starts storming around the room and she's like, yeah, you know what? I'm like, I'm triggered. Lisa triggered me. I'm so triggered. I'm leaving. And so she storms out of the room, kind of moving her fingers in the air, like in a, I guess, in what a show, what is supposed to be a show of her being triggered? She's like, I am triggered. Yeah.

45:20Ben Mandelker: And that's the to be continued. What will happen?

45:23Ronnie Karam: So funny. This show is so stupid though. And I love every second of it. Every time. Even as I'm groaning and being like, oh my God. I laugh every single time.

45:35Ben Mandelker: It was hilarious. And I really was not expecting. I was really not expecting Whitney to be the cliffhanger on this episode. Because she was just sort of sitting there quietly. But like, she shows up. She shows up. Oh yeah, by the way, the actual quote. the quote quote is you're disgusting comma redhead so it is official lisa barla did say redhead not redneck where's the official quote um i saw the i hold on let me pull it up i don't i just lost it it was on twitter really great information oh they had like the video script

46:09Ronnie Karam: yeah okay well whatever anywho um such a funny and hilarious yeah thanks so much for being with us guys this was a fun one we will be back um in a couple days with real housewives of orange county and miami reunion so join us for that and go over to patreon for videos and to get our latest bonus episode which is covering an episode of with love megan until next time we love you guys bye

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