#3033 RHOC S19E14: Cowpoking the Bear

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0:58Find information over at our Instagram and the link in bio. Watch what crappens. Today is the Real Housewives of Orange County, Season 19, Episode 14, Hoedown Throwdown. And I just want to say before we get into it, Wendy and Eddie getting arrested. it we are aware of it and we talk about it in depth on uh the miami recap which we actually released before this so if you're wondering like why are they addressing it then my question is why are you not a miami fan but no for real uh if you are wondering where that is it's over on our miami recap there's actually a live stream going on right now about it the cops really live stream but we're not watching it because we're doing this instead wow we care about you more than we care about Wendy.

1:48Damn it. Wow. Well, this is gonna be a good scandal. This is gonna be a good one that unfolds. I think it's gonna get worse as it unfolds. This will be, it's not a scandal all, but it'll sort of have those elements where like it's not gonna, this is not just a open and shut case. There's gonna be more to it, I believe. Well, we'll see and hopefully we can have a crossover because here we are talking about the Innocence Project. so what a day for that to come out huh uh so sweeping drone shot okay here we are real housewives of orange county tamra sitting in a bar at a restaurant called verde which for those of you who aren't like a bylings that means green so yeah and she's like i think i might need a glass of chardonnay even though i made a hot big speech about how i'm not drinking anymore because I become crazy when I drink.

2:41And the last time I drank, I went crazy at dinner in New Orleans. But I'm still going to have a glass of Chardonnay, please. And here comes Katie Janela in slow motion.

2:54Katie Janela. And then we see flashbacks of things that have been happening. Nobody trusts Tamra, et cetera, et cetera. So here we go. Flashback, flashback. Lots of flashbacks. Tons of flashbacks. Flashbacks. Because it's basically like previously on, right? So Tamara and Katie are sitting there, and Katie's like, well, either Slate is her mouthpiece, or Gretchen is really, really good. And Tamara's like, yeah, she doesn't tell lies about me. I'll talk shit about you. I'm done double dipping. I don't understand the double dipping part, but sure. It has nothing to do with tortilla chips. Let's go to Bluebird Mercantile Boutique.

3:37Like, man, this town has no shortage of shit boutiques to go to. They really, nothing but boutiques in this county. Nothing but shitty, shitty boutiques that they're just all lining up waiting to be filmed in. Yeah. You know, everyone talks about like, well, you know, because the internet and Amazon and all these things, like the mom and pop stores are closing. Go to Orange County because they're there. Bluebird Mercantile Boutique. It's there. Before we do that, can we talk about Katie for a second? the seating chart for the reunion came out. And the day before, I think it was Andy or just Bravo had teased the seating chart, like who's going to sit where?

4:20And I think a lot of people thought that Katie might actually get the first seat. She actually wound up in the fourth seat. How do you, do you think that Katie is, what seat do you think Katie should be in for the reunion? I'm surprised she's not on the end because I would assume that they would only bring her up. for part of the reunion, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm guessing that's correct because they're only going to bring her out for part. She won't be out there the whole reunion, right? She won't be. I think they'll just bring her on. I don't think so. I would think that they'd just be like, oh, she was in half the season, so she'll come out, you know, like Alexis.

4:53Wasn't Alexis only on part of the season? They'll probably give her friend of treatment where they bring her out for a little bit. I don't know because she was a housewife. I'm trying to remember how they treated Tinsley because Tinsley left midway through her season or Kim Zolciak. Like, were they there the whole reunion? So I personally thought Katie was going to be first or second seat. And it's not because I'm like, yeah, it's team Katie. It's because I feel like actually a huge part of the season and the discussion and the attention of this season of Orange County has been about Katie. So I thought based on that, I actually generally thought that Katie was going to be higher up.

5:34I I mean, I get your POV makes sense. If she's only going to be out for part of it, they wouldn't have her in the first seat. But I don't know. I'm like, I have to say I'm a little surprised. A little surprised. Oh, yeah. I don't think they're going to have her on much because they're just going to have that basic one fight with her. Like, did you lie to Kiki Monique? Or did you tell Kiki Monique? I mean, what seat is Kiki Monique in? That's a great question as well. Where is she? She needs to have a seat at this reunion. Yeah, she needs to be on the other fourth seat. Fine, fine, fine. we wouldn't have had this whole, like, cause it was, it was the Kiki telling her friend and the friend gossiping to so-and-so and like, that's, you know, like we wouldn't have even had this entire massive fallout.

6:16I'm like, I mean, Katie was definitely on thin ice as it was, but like, they're going to have to start adding like a messy blogger box where they just throw all the, whoever gets accused that season of, of causing crap in the blogosphere or the podcastosphere or radiosphere, just thrown in there so they can have their say to you. They just sit in a chair in the audience. Yeah, we're in the Bluebird Mercantile Boutique. And Gretchen and Emily are shopping for cowgirl attire. And Emily's like, what are you wearing? Listen, if anybody else asked that question, I would think it's a legit question.

6:53But Emily, you dressed like a crazy person as well. I don't know that anybody on Orange County is really in the place to judge fashion. yeah we saw the previews for next week in Amsterdam I really don't think you're in any place to talk about fashion that being said Gretchen looks crazy and Gretchen's like well I'm like attracted to anything girly and colorful and a fun vibe Gretchen there's nothing about your fashion that says fun there's nothing about your Megyn Kelly hair that says great times like the super fun girl like your trad wife vintage Stepford wife thing even if you're doing it ironically it might be ironic there's nothing fun about it your fashion kids i'm calling the police on people i don't recognize in my neighborhood most likely minorities okay yes that is the look that's the look you've got you're giving very laura ingram like the other day uh aoc made some comment about all the shit that's going on and uh laura ingram was mocking her i just saw a clip of it i wasn't watching laura ingram don't worry but she's like oh my god what are we listening to a person in a hoodie?

7:59I mean, yeah, that's real professional. I'm just going to sit around here in my hoodie. What is she in a hoodie? I was like, call the police, Laura. That's a reason for you to fucking call the police right there. So Gretchen, I think, is giving that vibe. Like, what are we in a hoodie? What are we in a hoodie? And then she's saying it somehow fun. Emily's like, she looks like she just got out of a covered wagon on the Oregon Trail.

8:25so emily's like well i no longer practice law but however i will definitely say that i'm a lawyer when it comes to prosecuting people like katie but the innocence center allows me to be involved in law in a human humanitarian way so i'm doing a fundraiser to pay for anthony a recent exoneree to go to mechanic school also he's kind of hot so we we he is kind of hot he's pretty hot Yeah, he is kind of hot. We only help hot people here. I think it's important for him to follow his dream and make something of himself. You know, I also stand for lie detectors. Just wanted to get that out there. So Gretchen's like, I stand for guilty until proven innocent when it comes to this friend group.

9:08But when it comes to incarceration, innocence first. How was the event last night? And we see Tamara's little cake party thing. It was a shit show. Okay, remember when we played that game in LA where we asked a question, who we trust the least? Yeah, the game that you started and that you came up with and that you made everyone answer and now we're trying to make drama out of it. Yeah, Emily, I remember. And Gretchen goes, oh, Lordy. So now we cut to Las Prisas. Didn't we eat there once, Ronnie, or am I? Where is it? In Laguna Beach. Las Prisas. Is that where we had the buffet? No, that was like the Pelican something or another.

9:48Okay, well, never mind. Really uninteresting question on my end. So Tamara and Gina sit at a table. Gina's like, how are you? And Tamara's like, I'm so sick of this shit, Gina. Tamara is in the full tortured victim state of mind this episode. Tortured across society. She really is. She's like, I'm going to do such a hard, goddamn difficult time in my life. One of my best friends has cancer And that's how he is off to college And it just seems like nobody cares Sophie is learning song structure And I'm all alone in the world That's you God, isn't that the worst When someone's going through the hardest time of their life And no one cares?

10:32Hey, can we watch last season again? God, I loved last season And how Tamara was so supportive of Shannon At her low point Jeez And I love that she compares a friend having cancer And her daughter going to music school I know Come on, Tamara. An hour away. So Gina's like, well, last night when you were vocalizing your feelings in your kitchen, and we cut to the vocalizing. She's like, goddammit, I quit this show. I hate all these stupid bastards. It literally flashed me back to Vicky's engagement party. Remember that? Want to show that clip also, editors? And this was when Tamara was hiding in the bushes, fake sobbing, going like, I can't even come in as much as it's again, bitch Yeah, it hit me that like the last time You were having like a very incredibly Like heavily stressful year Like I have to have compassion for you Because I see that And Gretchen was like wildly inappropriate With the things she said in LA But you know, like you're just so reactive to her But when is enough enough?

11:38When is it enough? When do people say no? Stop bullying Tamara The sweetest most innocent person in this group Yeah but you could be mad at Shannon And Jen and Gretchen But like Emily Like she loves you And when you're wrong Heather has your back So like you Like even Like even when you're wrong Like you gotta be nice To like the people that I like But just yell at the other people But for you to say that you can't trust me I'm extremely hurt Like how could Heather say She doesn't trust me After I just happened to take a comment That she made at BravoCon once and twist it into a whole thing and make the entire ass hit her for a whole season.

12:14Why would she not trust me? And then we cut back to Gretchen, and Gretchen's like, every time Tamara's called out about something, she runs off and says she's not gonna do this and she's not gonna do that. Yeah, I think she only left the room like five times last night. And then we did see Tamara trying to quit her own party, but since it was in her house, she had to keep coming downstairs. I quit. I quit. I'm going upstairs. Well, I'm downstairs again, but guess what? I quit again. I'm going back upstairs. This is the last time you ever see me film. Get a close up on my face because you're never going to see it again.

12:48Had this game done to get some milk. I'm never filming again after I get this glass of milk, bitch. Kitty on Arrested Development. Take a good look at the last time you'll see these. I'm done. I'm done with an image. I was cracking up. Emily's like, Like, yeah, just because I was honest with her. And even Heather agreed with me. It wasn't just me. No one trusts her. So now here comes Heather, speaking of which, hello, television's Heather Dubrow has decided to join you at Las Brisas. So like, oh, you look beautiful. But then like Tamara doesn't say hi or anything. So Heather's like, okay, all right.

13:28Let me, let's talk about this a little bit more, okay? Like, I understand. Okay, I love you, Tamara. I, you are my friend. It's like, well, you've met the Yes Academy. You don't trust me. So why would you ever have your friends with me? Just some lowly, scary, untrustworthy person in the corner. My turn. My turn. Okay. I explained it last night and I'll explain it again. Here we go. Can I please get some shamps over here? I've got to explain things to my friend. You don't need to be condescending. Still me. Still me. I'm not being condescending. and if you had any sort of education, you would realize that.

14:10But I explained it. Debbie, you said that in front of Gretchen. And Gretchen glops out to any information. It makes it worse. It makes it worse, Heather. Well, I'm sorry if that hurt you and your small three-celled brain. But if you think I'm brushing over things that she does, I am not. I'm encouraging them. I even told her she's using Slade very conveniently to do her dirty work, much like how I use Alfredo to take out the garbage, which is also true dirty work. I think you two should just trust each other. That's like the answer. Everybody needs to just trust each other. Oh, I appreciate you apologizing.

14:53I just have to work through it. This is the last time you'll ever see me order. Tune to start talking, bitch. Oh, back to Mercadol. Well, apparently Tamara reached out to Katie to talk, and it has to do with you, Gretchen, because all of a sudden Katie, a known pathological liar, has credibility. That's ridiculous. Why even hear her through? Why even hear Katie's full side of the story without yelling at her? Anyway, Innocence Project Party later tonight. Yeah, Tamara, like all of a sudden you're going to believe Katie because it fits your narrative. Yeah, well, I told her, if you meet with her, we're going to have a real fucking problem.

15:32I said that to her, and that's why she's pissed at me. And then this morning when I was mowing her lawn, I said, don't forget. And then I was filling up her car with gas. I was like, do not meet with Katie. I like Gretchen thinking that she really had this smart observation about how Tamara is going to believe Katie because it fits her narrative now. It's like, yeah, that's what people do. when something fits their narrative, they're going to believe the things that support their view on life. Like, right. That's like, it's wrong, but, but like, yeah, Gretchen. Right. Which is why you were befriending Katie when Katie was fitting your narrative of coming for Tamara and everybody else.

16:12And then you dumped her the second that she wasn't towing the party line anymore. Gretchen. Gretchen really, Gretchen has really botched her return. I mean, we said it before, but like, i feel like we were all on gretchen's side at the beginning of the season and now gretchen is the villain and somehow like i'm on tamra's side like this is so warped i don't get it so she's like uh emily's like yeah that's why she's pissed at me because i told her and gretchen jokes like see you're the problem you're the shitster she was like making a light-hearted joke at emily and emily's like oh but that is not fair i'm not talking crap about people she goes yeah but like Even Slade said that rumor about Tamara, but I said, I'm not even sure I believe that.

16:55Wait, you brought up something defamatory. Emily can't help it. She's just going to fight with everybody. You're supposed to be having something. But she's right here. She is right, but it's like, oh my God, you can't fight the whole world. Also, you're starting all of this stuff, Emily, by taking it back to everybody and then getting mad when shit hits the fan. and also like notice the grace that emily gives gretchen over and over again when gretchen is either lying or being slippery with the truth or like well well make coming up with workarounds and yet with katie it's like she has to be kicked out of the group like to me this is a double standard and i think it's a problematic double standard so gretchen is like no nothing's defamatory here let me show you something what are you gonna pull up a podcast or an article this is what you and tamra both do you get out your phones you pull out a podcast you pull out an article and if it were katie doing it i'd have you kicked off the show but since it's you go ahead you need to take accountability for what for participating and encouraging it i wasn't encouraging anything uh-huh you were saying play the song yeah the song no you were saying you wanted to hear the sex thing too that's why you called slate emily this is all on camera ma 'am i don't but honestly i don't even think emily is at fault for saying that because gretchen drops this bomb like she's got tea yeah like tamra was having a fair she's sing the song she's having a fair and then she and like so like yeah let's hear it you know i mean here's the thing heather was the only one who was like i don't care about the sex stuff yeah but i can't pick sides because they're just also terrible like yes gretchen brought it up on camera emily was telling her we want to hear it but also you're right gretchen brought it up on camera so they're gonna have to talk about it it's like gretchen i think they wanted to hear the song yeah was it but wasn't it slade who said slade was the one who said that the mic was still on when they were having sex right yeah yeah i don't remember the exact sequence of events um that she fucked nelson and then they called slade and slade said that the recording kept going or something and they heard them right boning so i don't around or whatever i don't remember the specific sequence of like, like play the song, find or whatever.

19:08But what we do know is that Emily and Heather were both like, you got to play that song in the beginning before Slade came on. You got to play that song of like, of Tamra trying to sing. And I think that's honestly, that is totally a reasonable thing. Like if there's some recording of Tamra trying to sing that's out there and Gretchen is like, yeah, we have this recording. Then I don't think Emily should be like accused of like egging on trying to defame Tamra. Like, no, you dropped the tea and you said it happened while she was having an affair. And Emily's like, okay, like, tell me more. That's on you, Gretchen.

19:42Emily can get some call. You can give, you can give some percentage to Emily, but like the lion's share is on Gretchen. Yeah. I mean, even if you pawned off on Slade for doing it, for saying it, you called Slade knowing that he was going to say it. I mean, you know, Slade, you know, if you bring up the subject, what he's going to say. but Emily does also completely laugh and love it and then goes and tattletales like the next second I mean they're both of these it's time for a commercial it's time for a Crapins commercial

20:18so then we go to Jen's house and um Shannon's house well Shannon is cleaning oh no Shannon is coming to jones house so archie decides to take a big number two everywhere number two over and over again it's like two squared lots of poos and so shannon's like archie oh my god i need another plastic bag this is absolutely ridiculous archie this is what wacky shannon wacky archie is being it's gonna try to outshine wacky shannon this is crazy i just literally love shannon she's just so funny and she doesn't have to say anything. I can just look at her as she walks into her room and think, oh my God, how come her glasses only have one lens?

21:04She's just so, thank you, Shannon. Thank you so much for coming over. Shannon, I love you. I love you. I love you so much. Thank you so much. So there is a animal psychic who has arrived, K.O., and she is going to help them commune with all their furry friends because there are a lot in Jen's household, plus Archie. yeah, so they're going to ask these dogs questions, I guess, or ask questions about the dogs. And this fucking fraud is going to take their money. So Jen's like, I run a small farm, basically. So if you pick up on a vibe, just go for it. Please tell Willow to eat less. That would be great.

21:43So then they gather all the animals in one room, which was impressive. And I have to say the breakout star for me was Crew, Jen's dog. I feel like we have not spent any time with Crew. and like I literally love crew and crew was so funny to me I took a screenshot and for people the crap is on demand hopefully we'll be able to see this the way that crew sat on that sofa and looked at the psychic like I am ready like very patiently like I know you can hear me waiting for this like this was the funniest image I like and just like crew was just like there like like really close to the psychic like knows the psychic wants to talk to her and like you're having a conversation he's looking right into her eyes like hi i'm sitting here i'm ready to go i've been waiting for this all day please don't be another fucking you know criminal just tell me what i need to hear kiki monique told me that gretchen has been saying that she was drugged did you hear this ko um so jen's like well my fiance and i have recently combined families and so when we got crew she was truly the missing piece that brought us all together as one family and cow's like oh wow wow great but willow is the spoiled one and um cow's like um does she want a stroller does she want a stroller and she's like oh my god does she want a stroller she's too chubby for a stroller yeah if this dog psychic was real willow would say tell this bitch to stop fat shaming me.

23:19Like she is the one who's feeding me and then fat shaming me. What the hell? Get me out of this house. Well, I would like to have a moment with the dog psychic therapist. Okay. KO, this is Archie and he doesn't bark. We actually talk. We have full conversations with each other. Probably more communication with him than I've had in certain romantic relationships. Burn. Anyway, I have so many questions. So here we go. That's really sad, actually. What do you mean it's sad? Archie said it's sad? Oh, no, I'm sorry. That was me who said that. Okay, let's get to Archie questions. Does he get annoyed when we kiss and cuddle him?

23:58Does he like going to the park or going running? Does he like a walk on the leash? I don't know. I just need these men to communicate with me. Do you move a lot? Because he keeps thinking, move, move, move, that you have these long, drawn-out goodbyes. He'd really just appreciate you just letting him go sometimes. He doesn't like the long, drawn-out goodbye? He doesn't like when I say goodbye to him for 15 minutes? He doesn't like that? I think he senses that you're worried when you leave. Well, I am worried. I mean, what if I'm gone and Archie's looking out the window and sees some blonde slut on the beach and decides to follow her down and become her dog?

24:37I mean, what the hell? Archie, Archie, don't do this to me. That is it. I am leaving. Shannon just hit the house next door. Shannon, come back. The dog's not done yet. I have another question for Archie. Can you ask Archie if it's totally necessary that we take walks at one in the morning in Newport Beach? I really resent that I had to do that for him. So she decides, she kind of leads Cal. By the way, Cal's not even really trying that hard to scam these people because Shannon just keeps giving her everything. She's like, well, Archie, you know, has some insecurities, I think, because of when I left him at school too young.

25:16He was probably too young to be left at school. Now he keeps biting other dogs. I think that you may have left Archie at school too young. Exactly, K.O. God, you are so good at this. Yeah, K.O. really does not have to work hard for her grift. But basically, Shannon is, she clearly wants to get another dog, and she's just looking for validation that it's an okay thing to do. So, okay, I was like, yeah, I got another dog. More clients for me. I'm all for it. Yeah. So now we go to Katie Janela coming to meet Tamara at Verde. Katie Janela, fancy meeting you here. Well, I got to tell you, as I've taken a step back from the situation, what makes me sad the most, it's about Jen.

26:05Oh, yeah, the way she betrayed you? No, just her choices in life, that she's with Ryan. She's okay with paint splatter on denim. It just makes me so sad. I mean, I was just so hurt. She called me once or twice, but I didn't even pick up. I've just been super emotional over all of it. Oh, yeah, well, I've been the odd man so many times. And I'm the odd man right now. I'm the odd man right now. Do you feel bad for me after I helped everybody kick you out of this group? Me. You were fine being part of the group when they were kicking somebody out a couple of weeks ago, ma 'am. yeah it's not been that long well you know i do feel bad about what i did and i did not mean to hurt you tamra and i tried to apologize with shannon and tamra's like i don't think katie is some sociopathic liar she apologized and being honest so i'm gonna take that for what it is someone i could use against gretchen so i'm gonna use her for the batting ram that she is best so So when Katie says, I feel bad about what I did, I did not mean to hurt you.

27:09Is that her confessing to telling Kiki Monique? I think that's her. Yeah, I think she's saying, yeah. I did tell Kiki Monique that Gretchen said that she was drugged or whatever. Well, Katie said as much. She said it earlier in the season. Like, I told Kiki because Gretchen said, oh, no, I don't remember. No, she didn't. I don't remember what she said. She still was maintaining that she didn't tell Kiki Monique that Kiki Monique must have heard it from Sheena or whoever. I don't remember. But it's sort of as a confession, but it's also kind of like, I wasn't trying to be mad. Maybe she's saying like, I wasn't trying to be mad.

27:48Who knows? Who knows? I'm so convoluted at this point. Yeah. She's like, I'm just trying to get it straight. Slade called Matt and said, don't talk about this. And she's like, yeah. Gretchen lied and said you drugged her. Then Slade said, tell Katie to stick to the story. Tell her not to waver. That's the nail in her coffin. Also, Tamara had sex with Nelson. What? His exact words were, tell her to stick to the story because it's a legal issue. And I thought, oh my God, am I going to get in trouble legally? And I thought if it's a legal issue, I don't want to talk about it. So I was like, oh shit, I was being lied to again by Slade.

28:22He is the eye of the storm for sure. So Katie's like, so I text her. Sorry, I did my time impersonation for a moment. it's not inappropriate for this conversation. I texted her and I literally tell her, I won't share that. Like, why would I say that when she said that? Like, she's a liar. See, now I can show receipts because in the beginning of the season, Katie was like, oh yeah, those Instagram messages, I just don't have reception right now. I don't show you anything. Yeah. So he was trying to shut you down, Dan? Yes. And I'm trying to cover for my friend, quote unquote, when she was really using me to cover her lies.

29:01oh yeah he does all the dirty work and the talking and then she's like

29:08yes uh so um she says that slade was constantly calling matt and then once he was done with him it was utter silence oh a dream no more smiley calling up first time i've ever heard anybody complain that slade is not calling them enough well finally matt is like i just want to talk to Man to man. Sleep by man. Man to child. Man to douchebag. Sure. That was pretty good. Everything they say they're doing is, they're doing it to me. That's what's happening here. I'm rubbing your glue. You would say something bad and you're ugly and smell like poo-poo. That's it. That's what's going on, you man. so uh then we see now we see a sequence of gina and jen in their homes going through clothing and organizing things i have to i'm gonna say this uh you know it's one of those random days where i say something nice about gina uh to her credit her home decor has really come up since when we first met her like she had like a nice little kind of beige on beige living room It wasn't anything mind-blowing, but it was definitely a step up from all the Marshalls tchotchkes she used to gather in her youth.

30:25So I'm going to give her credit. That was my takeaway from that little scene with her in the living room. Oh, that's nice. I just kind of avoid looking when it comes to a Gina home scene. It's like when you're passing something really sad, like under the freeway, and you're like, nothing's happening. Everything's fine. You know, and you just keep driving. That's how I feel. All right, let's go to Junior Cookies, which is also what I call Child Chefs. We are here to talk about the Trevor Project. Everyone, it's a Trevor Project scene. So Heather is doing like a cookie fundraiser and it's for the Trevor Project.

31:05It's all very, very good. And she was been active with this charity for 10 years, which we love. and um she was it was her kids that kind of like connected the dots for her etc and uh she is really anti-bullying so one of the trevor project people is like are you gonna allow me to have one of the cookies you brought she's like oh would i stop you from having a cookie no but i would tell you you probably shouldn't you'll get bullied we're here to stop bullying so she uh she tells a very scary stat which is that every 45 seconds an lgbtq plus youth tries to commit suicide which is terrible terrible and so i'm really glad this organization is here to help and uh it was a short scene but it was a nice scene and i think it was an important scene so now we go to emily's house where she's gonna be doing talking more about the innocence project.

32:07So she has the director of the Innocence project there and she's talking about how, she's talking about the importance of the organization and she has two exonerees who are there who now tell their stories. Yeah, so she's like, before we even start, one of you stole the sandwich. One of you stole a turkey sandwich. Wait a minute, that was me. It's in my purse. Sorry, too soon. Bad joke. Bad joke. Steven, tell us your story. so he talks about how he was convicted of a shooting in los angeles and he was in rancho cucamonga so that he didn't do that shit he was in rancho cucamonga and i just loved the specificity of rancho cucamonga because then the next guy was like yeah i was also accused of shooting someone and i wasn't in town either and i was like were you in rancho cucamonga too and what is going on in rancho cucamonga because i only hear it on like radio ads but i've never been out there well uh when you drive to vegas if you take the 10 to the 15 when you go when you get onto the 15 and start heading north you are in rancho cucamonga i think i stopped there once to go to a um fudruckers rancho cucamonga fudruckers hell yeah delicious it's just such a silly name for a place it is cucamonga that when someone's telling a very serious story they're like, I couldn't have done it.

33:30I was in Rancho Cucamonga. I'm like, okay, come on. You're making this. I feel like Rancho Cucamonga wants to have like the romantic rhythm of a San Juan Capistrano. Like, ooh, San Juan Capistrano. Yeah, that is like classic romantic. Sounds like a soap opera. Yeah, it is. You know, it's like, which is, by the way, San Juan Capistrano is a place in Orange County. But like, it's like, ooh, from the Sandy Shores of San Juan Capistrano to Rancho Cucamongo. It's like, mm, just doesn't have that same. Yeah, it's hard to get into a serious story when they say Ranto Cucamonga. It's just a funny word.

34:06So basically they talk about being fairly imprisoned forever, and this is really fucked up because then they're like, okay, well, sorry you were in jail for 20 years. We were wrong. Okay, enjoy your life. And they don't give them anything. Yeah, they're just like, okay, well, good luck. Okay, we're giving your old shoes back. Okay, good luck with that. Emily recites some stat. Maybe it was later in the episode that like 46 % of people in jail have been accused of crimes. They didn't commit like that is wild. Lots, lots of scary stats on this show. Yeah. So now we go to Jen's house where Ryan is planning on wearing some jorts.

34:50So the innocence project fundraiser tonight. So, I mean, you know, I love, if we're talking about these people who were like lost 14 to 20 years of their lives in jail for something that they didn't do. And it's like, and now I'm going to put on jorts, jorts to save them. What we're celebrating innocence while also committing fashion crimes. It's just like, it's just so Ryan, you know, it's like the privilege, the privilege. So then Shannon's getting ready and she's on the phone with an Adeline. And she's like, Oh, I think I'm going to wear this, jacket full of jewels. What do you think of that?

35:26She's like, Mom, it's a lot. No one's ever, ever going to have sex with you. Well, that is kind of rude, Adeline. Are you going to rave? Yeah. Adeline's just doing a line off of a go-go boy's ass. I'll tell you what's not a rave. My thoughts on that jacket. Adeline. That was cruel. So Gretchen and Slade getting dressed like cowboys. You know, I haven't talked to Tamara since things went off at the tactical date, so I'm wondering if Eddie's gonna be there. And he's like, well, from the guy's perspective, the problem is with Eddie, we don't respect Eddie, because he allows Tamara to say and do whatever she wants, and it's men's responsibility to, like, you know, control what their wife does.

36:14Hey, put a lock on your wife's mouth, man. Come on, what are you allowing your wife to spit? Shut the fuck up, Slade, man who hasn't worked a fucking day in his marriage talking about what you would allow a woman to do are you fucking kidding me get a job sir you fucking deadbeat so slade's issue is that eddie does not put a muzzle on tamra that's his issue okay i i and then yeah it's so shit that's so shitty like he doesn't he doesn't he allows Tamron's no it doesn't work that way people are free thinkers and say what you want to say I think Eddie actually I'm never going to defend Eddie but in this case I think Eddie's just exhausted look at the guy he looks he looks 25 years older than he is he's had to deal with Tamron for so many years you're like the poor man is carrying the weight of those teeth around just leave him alone do you think that's easy teeth and and corny motorcycle jackets okay like leave them I'm I'm not going to say leave the poor guy alone, but seriously, Slade.

37:17I think he's got a pig. He's got worse things, bigger things to do with. They keep Slade at kind of a minimum on this show, which thank God. But it's like they brought back Gretchen, but it's like, okay, but we're only going to show a little tiny bit of Slade this time. But even in the tiny bit they show him, he's just a fucking pig. Every time he's on screen, every single time. And look at the way he ruins Gretchen all over again. Just to circle back to what I said before, like Gretchen started off the season really well. She had like really all the moral high ground coming into it. She was coming in.

37:46She was taking Tamara down a peg. We were rooting for Gretchen. It was great. And the moment that Slade starts hatching a scheme about, don't say this, hold the line, blah, blah, blah, blah, Gretchen's stock tanks. And now she's like, you know, Gretchen's always sucked. Gretchen has forever sucked terribly. And it shows how fake she is when every time she's around Slade, she turns into this completely different person. He's like, run, bitch. And we're in front of the other lady. She's like, I just don't understand why Tamara's just so upset. I just don't understand why I can't make up with Tamara.

38:21And then the second Slade's around, she's just screaming trash. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

38:34So now we're back at Emily's event. And people are showing up. And Elizabeth Farkas is there. Unbelievable, undeniable. Time for the Innocent Project.

38:48So let's see. Oh, guess who else is here? Gretchers. Oh, God. Well, she's not here yet, but it's going to be terrible having Gretchers and Tamara in the same room. Do you remember I got pissed at Tamara sitting down with Katie while she fucking met with her? That's what happened. I'm going to have something to say about it. So Emily tells everyone about she's talking about the what she tells us about like the stats that i recited before about people who are incarcerated and then more and more people are arriving and uh we are we actually also see that like that like uh tamra and emily had like a meeting they they like sat down uh after the cake party to discuss like their fight and then and emily's like you have to understand that like i just don't know if things go down with us like if you're just gonna like dig up stuff on me that's what i think it's like you could always trust me by the way i met with katie your nemesis see there you are like you just said you're upset with me for not trusting you and now you're proving my point so jen is asking tamra how the meeting with katie went she's like it went well i feel validated and she told me some things but i don't feel comfortable telling you because you're friends with them.

40:05You're going to go tell them everything I said. She's like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So, no? Okay, I'll just tell them this stuff then. Okay, thanks. But I like that Tamara calls it, and then she immediately goes running right over to Tattletail. So, why would Tamara suddenly think that Katie is credible as a producer? And she's like, well, the more times it went on, I was like, well, she was set up by Gene and Gretchen because they were mean to me. And now that they've shown to Katie that they're not on their side, Katie's not sticking up for him anymore so she's telling me what truly happened so uh tamra's just going around being like i just don't want to be face to face with gretchen slade i don't eddie's like i don't either so you know he's just he's so charismatic that eddie and then so guess what gretchen slade arrive and she's they look kind of crazy and um they're all mixing and mingling and so emily's like, guess what?

41:01Tamara met with Katie. Oh, really? So she went from this girl is dead to me to I'm going to be friends with her because she's going to get me intel on Gretchen? She is so obsessed with you, Gretchen. She is obsessed with you. Oh my God, Archie just pooped over there. Excuse me. By the way, this is why Gretchen will never excel with these feuds because you've got to keep your wild cards in line because the moment that you kick them to the curb, Tamara's going to go pick it up and use it for herself. It's like a loaded gun. It's like those movies where there's two people fighting over a gun and someone drops the gun.

41:43The other person is going to get it and turn around and they're the one in the power. You let Katie go. Katie was your ally and you should have just, you didn't handle it right. You got to keep your allies on your side when you're going up against tamra well i mean she was her ally except for the whole telling tamra that gretchen accused her of date rape drugging her but i'm saying she should have been like you know what like i didn't like that you said that i understand that you know maybe it was a slip up or whatever but yeah like you know what i love you like let's not make this be the end of her but like she basically by kicking her to the curb you gotta know that tamra eventually is gonna is gonna take take it what take what you can get yeah um so anthony talks about um being unfairly incarcerated and not being educated in prison so he's excited to go learn mechanic stuff and so they raise 15 grand and then there's some line dancing and shannon is typical just typical One foot in front.

42:52I'm going to put this in the Trace Amiga show. What? It's crazy. I can't do it. So then Emily gets up there and announces that Gina and Travis with the gated group, LOL, have donated$5 ,000. And Terry's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. And Gina's like, oh, my God. Like, can a bitch have a moment? Like, they're going to outdo bro me. What the hell? And yeah, because like this is Gina's moment. For the first time ever, she has displayed some element of wealth by donating$5 ,000 to a cause. And Terry interrupts like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Well, it's a wonderful event. He actually gets on stage and is like, it's a wonderful event.

43:40I just want to say we're going to match with$5 ,000. I was like, you can't, don't don't step on gina's literal poor moment and not even like if you're going to do that like you got to save fifteen thousand dollars but if you're just going to be the same level as that would have been worse though right like if he like upped her i think it was i think he probably was going to give more but maybe that was his way of not one-upping gina but like not giving more but yeah i think you're i think he should have just done it silently like why do you need a fucking applause for it you're a zillionaire this is a lot more money yes gina than it is to you You know, just give the check.

44:13Gina is selling two bedroom houses to the elderly in senior living right now. Okay. Let her have her rich moments. Okay. Like you can't like, don't cock block her just to say you're giving the same amount. Like you only cock block. If you're going to cock block, that means you got to give above and beyond. But if you're cock blocking to be like, I'm giving the same amount, that's just like, that's, I think that's actually worse than cock blocking and saying I'm giving it 500 ,000. Yeah. Terry Dubrow is always a douchebag. so he's sticking with that but right when I thought he wasn't going to one up Gina he's like but I'd also like to add in a box of these cookies because Heather doesn't want any of the gay kids being bullied for being fat so please take these please take these as well damn it so then now we're clicking everybody's talking and Tamara's talking with Elizabeth Vargas and she's like I can't be around slaying she's so gross and then Gretchen I can't stand Gretchen she's so fake and Elizabeth's like no shit she is tell me everything girlfriend tell me everything do you want to talk about my cult we were on the same season so i feel like i gotta catch you up on being in a cult it was great so uh jen and ryan um jen and gretchen are talking with slade and ryan and um gretchen's like i'm gonna go over to tamar and ask what information she got about us with slade Wait, what?

45:36No, I think you should go alone. I don't think you should take Slade. You should just go by yourself. Just go by yourself. Nah, because she's bringing Slade into it, so I'm bringing Slade into it, too. That doesn't quite make sense, but okay. So now Tamara and Emily are chatting, and Tamara's like, I don't know. I know you're all over there, but I just can't be around Slade. So I'm just going to tell everyone here I can't be around Slade. Well, how can we move on from this? We can't. I just need to point out that Tamara did not bring Slade into this. Slade brought Slade into this. Yes. This is another Gretchen lie.

46:17Okay, go on. Yeah, you're absolutely right. So Jan's talking to Heather and she's like, Gretchen and Slade are going to have to have a talk with Tamara. Oh, I just saw them zoom right past me. It's kind of like when I said to Alfredo, why are these balls not at Nobu yet? And out he went very fast. It's like someone dropped a dollar over there. Those two were just on it. Crazy. This is very intense. I feel bad watching, but I can't look away. Which is not something people say about Wendy Malick and any of her projects. So then Gina is like, this shit's like so uncomfortable. So now Slade and Gretchen, they walk in together up to Tamra and Gretchen's like, Tamra's like, not bad.

47:01She starts to run out of there. Look, there she is running. There she goes. Gonna go grab Eddie. Yeah, run. Going to grab Eddie. Look at that. Run, bitch. Run. Run for your life. Yeah, I don't know what. She's trashy. Like, I'm not gonna. She doesn't need to sit there and be confronted by your fucking husband. You're disgusting. And so is your husband. You guys brought out of here about her. Enjoy your one year back on the show, loser. You guys brought up a whole rumor, a whole ass rumor about Tamara that you like you like. What was Slade trying to get to the bottom of? I don't even remember at this point.

47:40I guess the child support stuff. But that was a long time ago. Is she supposed to apologize to that stuff? Because it sounds like they're coming at her for this stuff, which they started. And she hasn't said anything to them about.

47:55Well, Gretchen is like, bitch. And let me learn the trash. such bullshit dude bullshit dude whatever their voices are turning into the same for me so Gretchen tells us I'm not just going to disengage people that run I normally like trying to hide from the truth so it proves that Tamara's guilty and she's talking about the shit that she doesn't know about and if you're talking about shit something supposedly slayed said then take it up and slayed this guy right here he did say it we were there he said it on camera what are you talking about why are you making it sound like everybody's coming up with something Gretchen you fucking compulsive liar.

48:32Go follow some other queer positive accounts right after you get called out for being a transphobic little asshole. I don't believe her. I don't want her on this show. I'm sick of having to watch her in her stupid slave's ass. Nobody has to sit here and fight with somebody's husband. Get the fuck out of here, Gretchen, and take your slime ball with you. Gross. So Tamara and Eddie are outside. She's like, you know, she's always trying to, she's always trying to like, you know, try to antagonize me. Which is funny because, I mean, Gretchen and Slate are antagonizing Tamara right now but like let's be honest Tamara yeah this is Tamara let's not totally forget the giant context of their relationship yeah none of this invalidates Tamara being awful as well but in this situation I mean this is how bad it's gotten like you get Gretchen and Slate on the show and now I'm rooting for Tamara like what the hell kind of upside down world is this what is the show trying to do to me yeah so Emily comes outside like, that was aggressive.

49:29I don't get why Slade gets so involved. Shane wouldn't do that. I'm like, Shane doesn't do anything. Okay, he proposed to Yonji Chat. He learned his lesson with Kelly Dodd. You're a twerp is what you are, you dork, you little dork. So Tamara's telling us, if she was coming up to apologize for what she did, then go for it. But it was all for attention. So then Tamara's like, when you have someone that makes Ryan look good that's an issue. Which I was like whoa Ryan gets astray and all of this and then they cut to Ryan just like cackling up by the bar. Yeah so then Slade is so Emily is like oh yeah well I just want you to know I appreciate you okay appreciate you okay weren't you going to tell Tamara off for going to lunch with Katie?

50:17What the hell? So then we come back to the event and Slade's like oh well I didn't mean to drop a bum fellas and the guys draw a letter. consider the bomb dropped so Gretchen's like why can Tamara say whatever she wants about Slade and then he can't address it it's like because because the reason the reason why he can't address it in this situation is first of all the two of you just walked up to Tamara and second of all it's like what she said was off camera and it was a while ago and you're still like it's been like addressed many times since then and you guys even addressed it on the beach and tamra actually did apologize for it and the truth is you guys brought in a new thing that blew up your whole peace treaty and now you're going to act like tamra did something wrong and that's just not the way it is don't make us stand up for tamra but we will we will do that yeah and if you don't like that she's calling uh that she called slade deadbeat dad 13 years ago just google it because i just put slade smiley child support and it says following the death of his son grayson in February 2023, Slade Smiley's ex-partner Michelle Arroyo alleged that Smiley had not paid child support since 2019 and owed over$152 ,000.

51:31She also claimed that Smiley and his fiancee, Gretchen Rossi, had a non-existent relationship with Grayson and were using his death for self-promotion. So you know what? Maybe you should like corner Google. Corner Google at a party. Lame ass. So Jen's like, well, I was trying to tell her why can't he address it? if it is what Katie was saying to Tamara about with Slade being on the phone. So, but the producer's like, well, producer tells Gretchen, you know, Slade does love to get involved. He goes, no, he really doesn't. I know everyone thinks this, but he gets involved because all the women talk about Slade and yet Sarah, we're the bad guys.

52:08You talk about Slade. Did you not see the, did you not see the, his like bit at the improv? Okay, it's not just that like, oh, he's defending himself. He's an aggressor. Yeah, he's gross. So you guys came in aggressively and it makes me uncomfortable and I'm fucking aggressive, especially when you come up with a man. It's not about slave for the love of God. When you come up with your six foot tall husband, that's aggressive. And Gretchen's like, I'm done. So now she walks off. So I wish somebody had been like, walk away, bitch. Run. I know. So then, yeah, Gretchen's slayed leave and Gretchen's complaining that Emily accused her of being aggressive.

52:50She's like, she's over it. But at least they raised$41 ,000 for the Innocence Project. So there's that. But, yep, this is a real, like, scorched earth season. They're all just taking each other down in every way. It's a shit show. Yeah, they need to, like, freshen up. They need some storyline to pull them through to the end because this is the shortest Orange County recap I think we've done in years. it's only 50 minutes which for us is like really light well it's because they also have like nice moving scenes in the episode of like oh well that's true they had like they had two different charity scenes that's three three different charity scenes and we're like oh anyway next scene that's true but they do need to freshen up some plots here i mean they just filmed the reunion what yesterday or today or something yesterday i think so that means there's probably, what episode was this?

53:46Did I say? This is, I think, 12 or 13. 14. They probably only have like three episodes. I'm going to assume the season's going to end in Amsterdam. Because, you know, sometimes there's more to the show than the trip. But I'm going to say this ends at 16 or 17. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's see what happens, everybody. Have a great weekend over there. Thanks for being with us. We will be back Monday for Real Housewives of Potomac and then crappy hour at 4pm Pacific time find links in Lincoln bio Amazon live what did I say crappy hour Amazon live sorry Amazon live this week sorry alright everybody thanks for being here we'll talk to you next time bye watch what crappins would like to thank it's premium sponsors ain't no thing like Alison King it's always a party on Alison block our way is the amber way it's the foster and the furious It's Amanda Foster.

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