#3051 RHOC S19E16 Part Two: Watch Your Tulip

0:21Hi everyone, welcome back. This is part 2 of a two-part recap. if you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. So now they go back to the hotel to change in bathing suits. And Jen's like, oh, I just can't wait to put on a bathing suit. And Jen's like, oh, yeah, a bathing suit and a hot tub. Oh, sounds darling. Hello, sir, who is our captain who won't be on a boat with us. That's real safe. So is the water Is this safe water Or does it come from the river Is it full of muck Is it full of people throwing up Because they've had too much space cake A lot of carbs A lot of carbs in this river from carb vomit I have a blister on my toe sir It's a crock pot Just get in there It's going to slowly cook us until we're dead We're having housewives for dinner Everyone I just want to make an announcement To what you're about to say Roddy I got very funny baseball caps for us all to wear.

1:25I'm so hilarious. I just want everybody to know I can be crass and useless in multiple countries. Here are your disgusting hats. So she passes around these baseball caps and one's like, I love cock. They're not even subtle caps. Wrong hole and I like it. And Shannon says, moister than an oyster. And Heather sees these and she's like, Well, I know why they think that I'm not funny, because this is not funny. So if this is the kind of sense of humor you're looking for, you will not find that at the groundlings. Thank you. No, I was being serious, Alfredo. This is not funny. I am not moister than an oyster.

2:13Clearly, she's not. She's wrapped in Spanx. wouldn't spanks make you more moist i mean just in general i don't know about i think i'd be but i think if i were in spanks i'd have a lot of more moistness on i'd have a i'd have a higher degree of moistitude on my body oh yeah please stop saying that because everyone knows i hate that word moist no one likes the word moist and i'll tell you who hates it the most it's Barbara. That's her name, right? Barbara. So one hot tub, floating hot tub thing is going to be Emily, Gretchen, and Tamara. Okay, and of course, Emily is the one who divides up the boats and makes the most dramatic boat she can.

2:57And Gretchen's like, oh, this is a death trap. And then Emily is saying, this is my last try. Once this crockpot comes to land, I'm done. So now Shannon is holding her foot out like, I don't want my blister touching the water. Am I falling off the boat? Where's my blister? I don't want to wait. I don't want to wait for this blister to get infected. I'm leaving my ankle outside the crock pot just to be safe. Space cake, everyone. I apologize. So Shannon is designated the one who is going to drive the boat because, you know, she's from the boat family. and everybody fucking knows it. And Tamara's driving her boat.

3:40And so it becomes like a race on a very slow, you know, too slow moving hot tub things in the water. Yeah. And Shannon's being all cartoonish about the way she like controls the rudder. I don't think it needs that much body language, but she's like flopping herself all around. She's also like dangling off the side of it. For someone who is so scared about getting her toe in dirty water. I mean, she is like one millimeter from going overboard. I was actually quite concerned about her, but she's all on the side there. She's like, oh, look at me, I'm wacky. But then somehow she still winds up crashing her hot tub into a boat.

4:17And if I were that boat owner, I would not be happy at all. Maybe I'm just like used to blow deck where like any small thing hits the hole. You're like, that's$1 million worth of damage. But I was like, don't do that. Don't crash your hot tub into someone's nice boat. Yeah, this isn't just the corner of a house to clip, okay? This is a bigger deal, ma 'am. It's a house boot. I know. I love that every season now, Shannon's just going to clip something. Driving something drunkenly. This is going to be her new thing. So Shannon's like, oh, I'm a boater. Okay, I'm sorry, sir. I'm sorry for clipping your boat, but oh, did he just smile at me?

4:57Is that my new boyfriend? No. Oh, he is just actually giving me the finger. Okay, all right. good good day to you sir gina's like oh wow now we're driving now we're cooking with gas that's a show with the groundlings thank you for the shout out well i understand the concept of this person didn't do anything to me you know whatever her name is denise but i just thought things were different i thought things were different with her because in her conversations with me um she doesn't really seem to be friends with alexis and then we see a clip of shannon asking her about Alexis and Jen being like, oh, I don't even see Alexis, Shannon.

5:33And I don't think I'm going to go to her wedding, Shannon, because I know what that would do to us. And I'm telling you the truth on that, Shannon. I'm telling you the truth. So Jen is being a little slippery on this front, but at the same time, she's still not planning to go to the wedding regardless. And as we found out, she actually had her invitation revoked. So it's not even an issue. Because she wasn't there after Alexis had surgery. God knows what surgery it was, but Alexis is like, yeah, I had surgery. And Jen wasn't there. So unfortunately, she was disinvited to the wedding of the century.

6:04So I hope she can learn her lesson and one day we can come back and be real friends again. Someday, someday. So Jen's like, well, whenever I met Alexis last year, you and I weren't like we are now. And if you say it hurts when I'm with her, you know, I can hear that. Well, I'm not saying don't be friends. I'm saying if you had to choose between her or me, you'd choose me, right? I'm just saying lines were crossed and it doesn't mean that I have to listen to it I just wonder why you think she's so great I mean last time I checked she didn't throw you a bridal shower last time I checked she didn't get you a nice cake that said congrats on your upcoming nuptials Cynthia but that's okay I mean we all have different ways we show up for our friends if we are in fact friends in the first place and like you said Jen being slippery I do think that Jen kind of is full of shit a lot of times because she says right now does Alexis talk to me about Shannon no no of course not and I wouldn't be comfortable with that I don't believe you what else is Alexis going to talk to you about I don't think Alexis talks to anybody on that show and doesn't bring up Shannon every five seconds that's just not how life works yeah I agree um and so then they're driving by the boat and Shannon goes wait wait a second is does that boat say Jansen is that wait is that John Jensen, son.

7:21Hi, it's Shannon. Remember me? I was the woman that your father jilted and ruined and sued, which is hilarious because I was the one who was left with nothing. But anyway, and I paid for everything. I actually paid for your boat. So hi, good to see you. Oh, you know what? That is actually a potted plant. It's some tulips. Okay. All right. Moving on. Okay. Okay. Now we're at the other one. So Gretchen, is there anything you'd like to say to Tamron? Because she's open to listening. So say it. Fine. Do something. I don't want to have to do something on this show. Do you guys want me to pull Pull a chicken sandwich out of my purse?

7:51I'll do it. Talk loud because I got the engine by my ear. Yeah, my little power play. I can't hear you, Gretchen. Okay. Tamara's like, no, I don't want to say nothing. Well, Gretchen, is there anything you want to say? Oh, okay. Tamara said she'd listen. She told me. Well, talk loud. Yeah, talk loud. Okay, well, I know you probably won't be receptive to this. Why would you say that? You start off with a negative comment. What am I supposed to say about it, bitch? However, because I messed up and I feel really bad about it now. Yeah, but I thought we agreed that we'd like to stop talking about it.

8:28We agreed that no more, remember? Yeah. Yeah, I messed it up. I messed it up and I feel bad. Slade told me I should feel bad and I feel bad about it now. Oh, my God. She feels bad. Okay, so. I can hear that across the canal. All right, then what was your intention with the charity thing? because you and Slade came at me and then you heckled me and stuff. The only one here is used to getting heckled is Heather, okay? But you're not Reba McIntyre and I'm not Heather Dubrow. Um, well, I mean, that's because, however, it's because everyone was saying, you were going around and telling them something about Slade and I just was like really upset about it.

9:10Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's because people knew that she had had a conversation with Katie and so people were just asking what happened, you know? Of course, Emily bringing it to her own thing. It's like, yeah, I mean, I think she's really hurt because you guys had a pact and you breached the pact. And I messed up. And, like, I just felt justified at the time. And I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying that I messed up. Yeah, but sometimes you think it's okay for you to do stuff. And, like, just because Tamara does. And it's like a never-ending cycle, okay? Well, so am I just supposed to, like, not do anything no matter what she says?

9:46I'm assuring you I've known Tamara for a long time and in the past three years she has not said one word about you okay or you haven't been listening let's be honest yeah and so Gretchen's like Emily's a flip flopper I mean what the hell why am I the only one that's being singled out and she's right because Emily has been talking her up like this whole time you know so now it's two hours earlier and Gretchen's like well I said I'm sorry and then she came in and started screaming and said fuck you so I guess So I'm a little anxious to try that again. And Emily's like, yeah, Tamara lives in code red time all the time.

10:22And so, and then Gretchen's saying that she decided to get in the hot tub because she just wants to move forward. But she also is like, yeah, but they are the, those two women are the most aggressive to me. So I don't know if it was the best decision. So Gretchen's telling Emily, like, you know, just, just because she hasn't said it to you, Emily, doesn't mean she hasn't said it to other people, hasn't talked about me to other people. Yeah. And she's like, well, you know, I mean, come on. That's not the right attitude. And Tamara's like, I don't talk about you. You're not even right of it. Oh, my God.

10:53I don't think that boat ride's going good. They might as well just pull the plug out of the bottom and sink the boat. Yeah, look at Grudger's hands. They're, like, going like crazy. And she's like, oh, I can't give you 20 % off. I can't give you 20 % off. I won't give you 20 % off with that attitude. By the way, here's the coupon so you can watch the HG Network on Mark Cuban's Strange TV platform. Okay, there you go. Gretchen, you have to recognize your part in how we got into this, because you've also perpetuated this stuff. You've also said things, and I've repeated them every single time. Okay?

11:31Yeah, but the way that I see it is that if someone asks me a question, I answer it honestly and Christianly. So maybe I need to look at that a little bit. I just need to look at being less of a child of Jesus and more of a Satan's child to fit in with the rest of you. I'd love to see Gretchen like words it like, oh, I'm just sorry. I'm so honest. Maybe I need to learn to lie more to be around you guys. They always play the honest card. I mean, Gina just did it like five seconds ago. I was being honest. So Emily's like, what if she said, hey, Tamara, what if she were more introspective and recognized that she was actually fueling the fire?

12:06Yeah, that would really help if you said that. You know what I expected me to do, bitch. And she's like, well, maybe I need to take a look at it because I don't want to keep doing it, and maybe I'm doing it unknowingly. Wow. That's the best thing you ever said to me, bitch. Right there. Wow. It's a breakthrough for five seconds before I get mad at you later. Can we disagree? No more. No more. I'm sick of this shit. I'm sick of it. You irrelevant bitch. She's like, okay, I agree. I hope we both can do it, though, and not just me. So the producer says, are you hopeful? She's like, not even a little bit.

12:43Had I felt like there was a change, it would have been when she supposedly welcomed Jesus Christ into her heart, but it didn't happen then. So you really think I'm going to think she's changed now? I mean, I appreciate her calling out Tamara's, you know, baptism hypocrisy, but, you know, people are changing without becoming more than Christians. yeah people yeah they're i like that whole thing like well without religion how would you know that murder's bad uh it's like well if she didn't change when she extended jesus into her life she'll never change the rest of her life yeah so um so now they're parking the jacuzzis they go back to the hotel and uh tamra is made up with heather so she's immediately got a gen headline ready.

13:34I mean, Tamara's like, she's a pro. You gotta hand it to her. Okay, that's everything solved that one. Okay, we need the next chapter. We still got half an episode left. Oh, hey, look, I got my iHeart notification because we get headlines and then iHeart chooses what headline they're going to put on the podcast. So, yeah, this one's about you. Whoops. We'll do something happen again. Now, keep in mind, everyone, the season began with Tamara being furious at Katie because of talk that Tam, like, you know, Katie was talking to too many podcasters and talking to too many content creators and, and like spreading, you know, untruths or whatever.

14:11And now here comes Tamra, you know, basically brazenly announcing that she's gonna be talking about one of her cast members on a podcast. Yeah. Well, at least I will say for Tamra, at least she's doing it to Jen's face and it's a headline that's already out there from in touch magazine. And she's giving her a chance to like, at least comment on it. Which so, which is admirable, but it's also funny because This is Tamara's sly way of being like, look, it's a producer sent this to me. So now I've got to talk about it. You know, because Tamara can also say, I don't want to talk about my current cast member.

14:44Yeah. She could just do that. But she's presenting it under this veneer of being like a caring and considerate friend. Yeah. So the headline is from In Touch. Real Housewives of Orange County's Jennifer Pedrante ordered to pay six-figure judgment after allegedly failing to pay rent. and so she's like yeah i mean that's the same judgment as it was last year we did a modified rent plan during covid but now we're back in full business and the money is owed back parking lots do not pay themselves okay so that's what it is okay see you sure it's nothing more no i mean it's bad we're broke and we owe a lot of money what do you want from me okay but but you don't know it no i do owe it tamra i do so you're going to prison i could go to prison tamra wants something more, but Jen's just like, no, here's the honest truth.

15:30Oh, damn it. Alright. I'm going to have to get back on the phone and find something else. So they get into vans and I'm like, hey, Tamers, what's on your phone? Well, Jen was ordered to pay judgment after allegedly failed to pay rent on a studio. Jen's like, well, you know, when Tamers shows that she has concerns for me, I don't know how to feel about it. There are moments I feel like Tamers generally wants something good for me, but it never lasts. Oh, that was an interesting insight. Jen but this is another reason why she has to be smarter this is why Jen has to be smarter about her Instagram and setting herself up because she's got big girl issues and that's not just a reference to her former fatty photo lawsuits and owing money that's big deal when you have big girl issues and people coming after you for money you've got to get yourself up financially so earn those three dollars from Instagram yes they're spending all your time with there from three company maybe you should go to school get a job up excuse Excuse me.

16:24Excuse me. This is Vicki. Vicki Guffleson here. Get a job. Get a job. Okay. Yeah, she couldn't have been so much better off right now. She could have been so much better off five years into this if she had just gotten a job. That's hilarious on this show saying that. So Shannon's like, oh, she does have a job now because she's a podcaster and she sells that weed stuff, those CBD things. But yeah, in general on this show, when they tried each other over jobs is pretty funny. I know. I know. So Shannon's like, so what happened, Emily, in your boat? Did you have a nice time? We had, I had a lovely time with mine.

17:05I was with Gina and also, what's her name?

17:14Jamari? Is that her name? I don't know if I know who she is, but she's lovely and she's my best friend. So then in the other band, And Gina's like, oh, my God, you guys sounded like you were hot. What were you hot about? Gretchen's crying. And Heather's like, whoa, Gretchen, why are you crying? Uh-oh, something's coming out of Gretchen. She's like, well, there's just been so much hurt over the years, and I don't want to be the person that you guys are seeing right now. And I'm wondering if something came out online that she saw. Like, I wonder if something was released of like an article about all of her tweets or whatever it was.

17:54Because it is kind of weird that she's like all of a sudden like, oh, shit. And she's just crying and like not going to show up to dinner. That's a great theory. That's a great theory. Because it's a common. It's a common. So you see that you guys are both hurting each other, right? You see that, right? It's like when I catch Alfredo and Alfredo throwing my noble balls at each other. For the restaurant, not for playtime. That's what I would say. Yeah, like I see it, but like, I just don't know what I'm doing, and I don't want to be that person. I don't want to hurt nobody. I think it's a defense mechanism.

18:29And Heather's like, whoa, wow, the fact that you're saying what you're saying is super impressed. There were at least four three-syllable words in there. At her core, Gretchen is a really sweet girl, and I definitely won't regret saying this. I never hurt her trash, people. We've always had a very nice relationship, and it's nice to know that we can come to the end of the season on that lovely note between us. She's not an evil menace, so I feel bad that she's going through this. When I see her, I don't say, my turn, still me. I say, our turn, still us. Commercials, here comes one right now.

19:15See, I think Heather has gotten so good at this. I think Heather's gotten so good at this. I think, of course, Heather knows all of this stuff. I think she's really buttering up the audience. Like, oh, Gretchen, what a sweet person. She would never do anything. Here I am standing up for Gretchen constantly. Well, she probably recorded this like three months later after she already knew about this. And she's like, yeah, I'm going to really show America how my heart is open to this woman who's about to hurt me. Yeah. So Gretchen cries. So they go back to the hotel room. And Jen calls Ryan and shows her hat.

19:54And hers says throat goat. And he's like, wow, love your hat, honey. Got a heart on. She's like, well, Gina said that I think when you deep throat, I think it means like when you deep throat, you sound like a goat. That's what the hat means, honey. Of course Gina would think that. Let me go on. Wait, what does goat mean? So Shannon's like, Adeline, hi, this is your mother calling. I have an emergency. I can't walk. Today may be the last day that I have my toe. I may have to have it amputated. Adeline, do you have anything, any last words for my toe? Please, this is the last time you'll get to see it on the plus side.

20:27I will be about three ounces lighter. So, you know, take it where you can get it. Dear toe, sorry you're not her head. Love, Adeline. Well, that was a bit, I think that was a bit crass, Adeline. I am your mother after all. I mean, I did bring you into this world. Space cakes. So then Emily leaves a voicemail and she's like, hi, Luke, I miss you. I'll be home in three days, but I need you to be good, okay? Be good, Luke, be good. Yeah, except she's like very like, I'll be home in three more days. I need you to be good, Luke, okay? I love that she's like, well, I don't know why he's, I don't know why he always acts like a little baby when he's around me.

21:10And then she's like leaving voicemails from like, would you be a good boy? You to be a good boy. So then Heather. Like in the middle of the night. I know. Then Heather FaceTimes Terry about going to Aces game. She's like, he's like, wow, I'm going to sit in the bleachers. Me, Terry Dubrow sitting in the bleachers. But Terry's a dad that spends time with the children and knows them. And that's so sweet. I've never done that. If it doesn't take place in the penthouse, I'm not going. But my dad was a great provider. But we didn't have that close relationship. I realize now how grateful and lucky I am, having grown up with a father who was emotionally distant.

21:51And I never really knew where I stood with him. But that's the thing about generational trauma. You just have to get through it. Alfredo! So, Terry, when you are sitting in the bleachers with the less privileged, do they recognize you, Terry? And he's like, how? Come on. When don't people recognize me? I mean, if people don't recognize me, did it even happen if they don't know Terry Dubrow? Are they even alive? You are television's Terry Dubrow. If they don't recognize you, you make sure they recognize you. Bring a billboard next time. right down the street from me, like right when you turn to come to my house, there's a billboard for Happy's Place.

22:32Reba Mike's car. And I crack up every time. Every time I pass it, I'm like, bitch.

22:41She never had me on Happy's Place. And I thought she was a friend. So, miserable witch's place.

22:53So, back to the lobby. So Heather, in an attempt to also be fun, she goes, by the way, okay, time to go to the next destination. We are missing Jen and Gretchen's. Gretchen's. It is very fun to add an ERS at the end. Let me try this one. Wenders. That's for Wendy Malick because I don't know if she has a friend to do that for her. Sorry, that one doesn't really ring. Loser. That's good. That's good for Wendy. Someone pass it on. Pass that on. so they get in a sprinter van and Gina's talking about how Gretchen just doesn't feel good on the bus and she doesn't know if she's gonna come and oh no what's wrong with Gretchen's and ten minutes earlier Jen's asking her what's wrong and she's like I don't know I just can't stop crying but where does that come from?

23:38all the years? all the pain? all the hating of Tamara? what is it? yeah I mean all of that all of that so Jen's like yeah she's very emotional. Emotional about what? What's so emotional about, stupid bitch? Oh my god, Tamara, don't take it immediately. He has an attack on you. Don't react. Be like Wendy Malick in an acting scene. Don't react. What you're gonna do is open your mouth and step out. Oh my god, look at the name of that restaurant. Look at that name of the restaurant. Meet the ball. Oh my god. So they're walking around a food hall and Tamara He goes, I feel like we're at the mall. We are, except I don't see my mural of my tree with my children in it.

24:26Oh, I said the mall house. No, we're at an actual mall. Yes, yes, we are there. I love that Amsterdam's like, look, we do not have very many rules here and people can get pretty wild, but we are not going to have Real Housewives filming in our restaurants. Have fun at food courts, okay? This is the fourth food court they've been to, I think. Heather's like, so we carry our own trays. Is that how it works? I'm not sure. I thought it was called an entree, not our tray. I don't know. Is this called an on the rich person tray? Because that's what it is. I don't appreciate this. Okay. This is me, Heather Dubrow, actor for the people.

25:05May we please get a classic hot dog and onion rings, please. People will love that because I famously didn't let my husband order them for a, sorry, a ranch party that we had one time. So look at me, fun, fun Heather Dubrow. Wait a moment. There is a, look, there's a sign. And oh, it's a very hilarious and funny sign. And it's what I'm going to say to Terry. It says, it's boom, boom, sausage time. Again, from the top, it's boom, boom, sausage time. Okay, let me, I said it's boom, boom, sausage time. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Alfredo couldn't pedumpto while he was holding my tray, fortunately.

25:55Alfredo, pick up my linguine that you dropped. We're shenanigans. Emily I'm the nickname person We're shenanigans Sheena's like Um excuse me Please stop trying to steal my name for your show Because I'm going to be a future housewife for Orange County And I'm going to have something to say about this next year Corner Kiki Monique and I Like helped me like come up with the name shenanigans And the fact that you're just like taking it Is like a real issue I think we have to send her back down to Orange County Sheena Anigans Sheena Anigans Shannon and Jen are like doing a wacky dance through the food hall.

26:35Like they're windmilling their arms around. I think they're trying to do like a call back to Shannon synchronized swimming bit, which I think they're really trying to make that happen. And I'm going to say this right now, even as a big Shannon Mador fan, that's not going to happen. Yeah. So that's, that was never fun. So then we have a scene of Jen trying to set Shannon up with the 20 year old bartender. And then the women gather at the table and Heather's like, I ordered some spring rolls. They're coming up, everybody. Right after winter. Apparently, that's when you take your Alfredo, roll him in a carpet, and send him down a hill in the spring.

27:12Spring rolls. It's so fun. I'm really bugged now. I'm really bugged. I'm not going to say anything to her. I'm just bugged by Gretchen. I'm just bugged. Well, Gretchen was very upset. She was upset. Oh, you think she went and talked to Slade? Well, when you're that emotional, you call your husband. Just like when I found out what Boom Boom Sausage was. Terry was the first person on the horn. Am I right, ladies? Boom Boom Sausage. So great. I almost went and called Drake, but then I remembered that we hadn't actually met yet. But in my mind, I think that we're best friends and we exchanged numbers.

27:46So I just texted it to a random person on the book. So Gretchen. Gretchen. FaceTime. We see Gretchen at home FaceTiming Slade. She's like, Hi, Slade. I had a little meltdown. I'm trying to move forward. I really am. He's like, you know what? With everything that's happened in the past, you should just, I know, at this point let it go. There's obviously emotional issues on both sides, and if she's willing to work things out, I know for a fact that you'd have an interest in doing that, too. And this is where I said, oh, this is, they know what's coming. Because even for Slade to be like, oh, you know what, honey?

28:24forget forget it's tamra welcome her welcome her reach out those beautiful arms of yours and just give tamra a hug i was like oh the producers warned them or it came out on on instagram or something because she knows what's coming for sure yeah that's a i think that's you really picked up on that see you know you're really good at that ronnie you're really good at it i was like oh i was like that's strange i was like all you have to say is wow people on housewives are liars then you win yeah you get it right generally gina is back back at the food hall gina's like yeah i've always tried to get gretchen to see who who how gretchen's oh thank you to see her side of things and she never sees it like in that bus she did i'm telling you right now she swore camera and i'm telling you camera yeah no no it was genuine it was like genuine Yeah.

29:22You want to talk about performative. You'll come to Cooking with Gas on Thursday. It's at the Groundlings. Now, do you think she feels picked on like the new kid in town? I don't want to pretend like she's a good person. I'm not going to do it. Well, I told her she should come. Should I not tell her she should come? Because it feels like maybe she shouldn't come. I mean, I did tell her about Boom Boom Sausage. Oh, I love that you told her about that. I love that that's our thing now. That's our thing, right? God, I love being carefree. Since what are you such good friends with the other? If you ever come for me and my boom boom sausage again, it will cost you a lot, Emily Simpson.

30:01So Gretchen comes in. She's like, oh, I'm only two hours late, but I mean it. So everyone's kind of tense because they were just talking shit about her. Are you okay, Gretchen? Are you okay, Gretchen? Yeah, I'm okay. Well, I'm glad you're here Because I almost had to do something for this show, but now I'm glad that other people can yell at you. By the way, what did you think about Tamra being pissy before Gretchen got there? When, you know, that Tamra didn't like that Gretchen was feeling emotional and that Gretchen was like having a moment. Do you think that Tamra was like, oh, this is bullshit.

30:37She's trying to make herself seem like a victim here and like get like curry favor. Or do you think Tamra was just like being classically Tamra unhinged? Yeah. Yeah, I think she was like, oh, here's Gretchen acting like I victimized her again. You know, like she said, we're made up. But now she's going to act like a big victim. Like I did something to her in that hot tub. Right. You know, because no one else was there. So Gretchen could say whatever she wants. Right. So, so Gina is like, she's like sitting across from Emily and she's like, yeah, like ask her, ask Gretchen how she's doing. Like ask her if you want to talk about it or not.

31:09He asked Gretchen if she thinks that Shannon and Jen have a good friendship. He asked Gretchen, do you think that like Shannon should throw me a party? Because I like moved in with Travis. Wait, this feels awkward. Why do I have to do it? Because I already said, how are you doing? Okay, then Tamara should do it. You do it, Tamara. No. So Gretchen's like. Wait, what are you guys looking at? Well, I mean, everybody asked about you. And I said she needs a minute and she's upset. And, you know, it takes a long time and a lot of Aquanet to get your hair in that, you know, like Darth Vader, blonde Darth Vader shape.

31:43shape. So like, you know, I was just trying to explain and explain your absence. Grudgers, do you want to talk about it? Come on, Grudgers. She's like, no. Well, I guess she needs time to process. So Jen's like, okay, well, what's the emotion? Lots of pain. I hate this back and forth. Tamra's like, but we stopped it. You just started it back up. She can't say you hate it when you were the one who engaged in it. Come on. But she apologized. Hashtag boom,

32:15She also apologized She apologized at self-defense There was that too Remember that? She self-did it I'm not saying that it was good What she did I'm not saying it's good that she said You slept with Nelson But she apologized I have a feeling It's never going to be resolved well you guys you agreed to the crock pot to stop talking about each other so what happened about that she's like well i mean it was so long ago but it doesn't really matter because those emotions don't disappear you know and i was hoping that maybe we could be like looking back i shouldn't have done these things i shouldn't have said these things you know and shannon's like i can sympathize with gretchen because sometimes you want an apology but the apology has to be authentic And I've been in that situation where I just think I'm just never going to get anything authentic from Tamara.

33:10And then she grabs my boobs and puts a napkin in my chote and we're back to square one. God, we have so much fun. Okay, everyone here has to be accountable for their part in this feud. Well, however, I absolutely want to be accountable for that. And if you feel like I've been bashing you for 12 years, I'm sorry for that, Tamara. Tamara's like, yeah, I know. We talked about it earlier. I'm like, well, okay. Tamara's being a little annoying to me. Okay. I understand why she was annoyed at Gretchen. Cause it seems like Gretchen was going to be, try to make herself the whole victim in this and get sympathy.

33:44But now Tamara is like, Gretchen comes in here and, and Gretchen and Tamara is like, it goes back to that. You started it. You started it after they had allegedly like put down their arms. So now she's gone back to, you started, you started it. And now she's going to reverse something. Like, um, we already talked about this. We already settled it. I'm like, well, you can't, which way are you going to go, Tamra? You're driving me nuts right now. And I was like, what? But I think she's speaking for the audience too, because I'm like, oh my God, why are we talking about this again? And she's like, shut up.

34:14And Tamra's like, we got to go over it. Yeah, but that's because Tamra went back to it. I mean, I'm not exonerating. I'm not saying that Gretchen is like that, that Tamra doesn't have a right to be annoyed at Gretchen for trying to garner sympathy. But Tamra is the one who went right back to it and said, well, you started it, bitch. It's like, you guys just resolved this in those stupid boats. And now you're going back to it. And now when Gretchen's now attempting to apologize or take some accountability, now you're being like, whatever, I don't want to hear it. Because we already talked about this.

34:43I'm like, stop, stop. So there's just like a circle. They're just grasping for straws. They've got nothing, basically, is what's happening. So Tamara's like, oh, my God, we agreed to not say anything. And now you want more apologies. And she's like, well, I don't want this. then we'll be stuck in the same place. Yeah, because you guys keep bringing it to the same place. So they keep kind of going in circles with this whole thing. And they're saying that maybe Gretchen is just releasing all this emotion of all these years. And that's why she's emotional. So they just leave it at that. But now it's the next day.

35:17We get very serious music. And Gina and Emily are in bed together. And Emily's like, well, I just have a hard time with Gretchen because there's times when I find her to be endearing. and then you know like she takes a look at herself with i which i appreciate and gina's like yeah but that's why i'm struggling because like i the person in front of me i like my line i'm starting to think is she this other person like the post the social media i can't get it out of my head emily which is why i haven't brought it up for the three weeks that i've known about it i know you know what i can't get out of my head why gina for some reason is in full drag makeup sitting on this bed what is going on she's got like the line outlines on her lips she's got like the heavy blush I'm like, are you guys, what's the next event you two are going to?

35:59So Gina says, about two weeks ago, I was at the dispensary with Tamara, and she brought up these incredibly alarming posts that Gretchen had liked. So we see Tamara. She just is like, hey, look at this. Now go fight my fight. And she basically shows the post. We have to assume very heavily it's the post where Gretchen famously liked anti-trans and homophobic. They were homophobic posts too, right? I mean, it's all the same, not the same, but it's like similar. And so Gina is like, it's so awful. And he's like, I think that's like why I'm short with her because like, I know about it, you know? So it's hard for me to like recover from that.

36:42Like, but you guys didn't, you guys are still waiting like two weeks to like, like for these people who like love to brandish the honesty flag, they are like, okay, this is a really shitty, terrible thing that Gretchen did, but you guys are going to just wait two weeks on it and then use it as a plot device. I was like, okay, sure. Yeah, I mean, again, first Tamron knows about this stuff, and she's going to make them bring it up. Because Tamron's like, well, if I bring it up, everyone's going to call me a bitch. But then they never bring it up. And then they wait. And then they're like, well, we're desperate.

37:16We're bringing it up. You know, we have nothing. If Gretchen's not going to fight with Tamron anymore, then we need something else. Let's bring in the big guns. yeah and so they're basically saying yeah they're like oh yeah i have a hard time believing that's who gretchen is how could you she's in fox news cosplay literally every day like how is this surprising and she did like a family prayer before going up to heather's house yeah she's like well i just live by the rule of the innocent until proven guilty and at this point yeah sure emily Yes. Unless it's anybody I've ever fought with in the past five years.

37:54But at this point, the information is coming from Tamara. So that's suspect. And Gina's like, oh, my God, I can't let this thing go now, even though I've let it go for three weeks because it really bothers me. Are you going to tell Heather? She's like, well, I don't want to tell Heather, but like, I don't want to start a thing. But like, it's such a real topic, especially for Heather. I'm like, I have to bring it up. Like, I don't want it to be the drool. But like, well, what are they? Photoshopping likes on posts? I don't think someone would go that far to Photoshop mics on posts. So Gina's like, I'm genuinely confused by this.

38:28And anything I've heard Gretchen say has been love and light. And I mean, for God's sakes, the woman is over 40 and she still wears headbands and bows. And she doesn't seem like the sort of person that's like walking around launching hate campaigns on people. I'm like, she seems like literally the exact sort of person. If you say that exact description is like the exact person, I would expect to launch a hate campaign against someone. yeah well obviously we should give her an opportunity to explain or address it yeah and that's something she should explain because like it's something she needs to explain because it's not good and that's not okay even though i found out about it and i've been like really close with her ever since what the fuck they said they are such hypocrites but i'm glad that someone is going to bring it i was just about to i was about to say like at like yes it seems questionable that they waited so long and of course they're using it like in an opportunistic way by the same time you know what they i appreciate that they are horrified by it and like let's not lose sight of that because they should be horrified and and i'm glad that it's it's significant for them so it's gonna be a shit show next week and um i'm bracing i'm putting on my helmet and uh we are we see previews of heather yelling at gretchen as she should and uh it's gonna be a wild one so yeah here we go and i will you know we i went over these screenshots one time i read you guys a bunch of them on one of the episodes.

39:48I don't have them up right now, but I'll have them up for next time because even looking for them through this, I'm seeing that headlines like Gretchen denies ever liking these posts. She's, I guess, trying to say that it's a lie. And a few weeks ago, she even followed Queer News Daily because it's like this stuff, she knows this stuff is going to come out, so she starts following these people that'll make everyone else look like a liar. Like, no, I totally follow Queer's news daily. It's like the most obvious thing. You know, she just typed in queer or gay and just followed whatever she could.

40:22It's like after the thing with Katie happened and they were calling her racist, she called every Asian person she knew and had a lunch in and then posed in one picture with like seven Asian girls and was like, I just love hanging out with my friends. Like we see you Gretchen. You're not that subtle girl. Like, come on now. And listen, I'm all for if someone is doing something like homophobic, hateful and then they like Like they stop and they listen and they learn and they hear from people and they do some work and they realize that, you know, oh shit, I was being closed minded. I want to better myself.

40:57I want to actually like show people that I actually care about improving myself on this. Like that, I listen to that and I care about that and I appreciate when people really do that. But it has to be real and it has to be sincere. And so, you know, well, I'll have to see how sincere I feel Gretchen is, but I'm not going to. Fuck Gretchen. The expectation is very low. No, no, no. Liking, these posts she was liking are horrible. They were fucking horrible. It's like likening homosexuality to pedophilia. You know, all the shit they said about trans people. This is not stuff you just wake up and, oh, I learned and I'm different now.

41:33No, fuck her. You know, fuck her for real. Like, that's not something you're just like, oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about it. Like, I'm different now in two days. Yeah. No. What I'm saying is that generally I'm okay for people to learn and grow, but for Gretchen, my hopes are very, very low. Very low. Very low. Very low. Too bad. I was sleeping crazy at the start of the season. Too bad. Too bad, Gretchen. Loser. Oh, well. Bye. Have fun with your demise. Lose. So that brings us to the end of Real Housewives of Orange County. God, this was a week of two part recaps for almost every show. I think we did them for almost every show this week.

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