#3093 Married To Medicine S12E01: I Got Friends in Polo Places

0:21Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap we just love to talk about on Bravo. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today paging Dr. Karam. Sorry, Dr. Rondel. Paging Dr. Rondel is Ronnie Karam. Oh, hello. And Quad. And Quad. No, it's Antoya. And Toya. Dr. Jackie. Dr. Simone. Dr. Heavenly. Dr. Contessa.

1:01always hilarious um how's it going ronnie what's good everything's great you know what just coming back from the break feeling great digesting ready for monday you know it's an onslaught of bravo shows this week so i'm just like you know what just sit in your chair and just relax and enjoy yourself with your friend, honey, because it's going to be a lot of shows coming down the pike this week. Yep, this is where all of the promotion and marketing from BravoCon pays off for Bravo because now all the shows are launching. Thanksgiving's done. Time for new shows to start. So here we are with Married to Medicine.

1:40Just a reminder, in case you hear this in time, that we have crappy hour tonight. We also have an Amazon Live. Join us. Crappy hour is at 5.30 on the West Coast. and Amazon Live is at 4 o 'clock on the West Coast. It's back-to-back live action. Also join us on Patreon where you can watch us with Crappens on demand, bonus episodes, all that great stuff. Patreon.com slash watch for Crappens. Get the full experience, guys. So that's the big news around these parts. Marriage Medicine, you know, we were so fortunate. We were very fortunate that we got to speak to Miss Quad at BravoCon, speaking of which, she was just lovely and beautiful.

2:20and that was great. I don't think we'd ever met Quad before, right? Is that our first time encountering Quad? Yeah, that's our first time meeting Quad. Yeah, loved her. She was so nice, just as beautiful and charismatic in person. Yes. Truly. We did see Contessa. I saw Contessa. I didn't talk to her, Contessa, but I saw her from like at the famed moment when we were standing at that entrance forever, Contessa came out, and Toya also came out. So we definitely had our marriage medicine, you know brushes uh at bravo con which was a delight but yeah it's fun to kind of revisit this show that we you know we covered all the way since the beginning um and we took off the last few seasons but you know we're back we're back with marriage medicine yeah we are back um i don't know we have to see how many of you listen to it and all that good stuff like how long we're going to recap it and i hope we get i hope everybody listens we stopped recapping because really no one was listening to this podcast.

3:15Our numbers are really low on our marriage. Yeah, but this tends to come out when Bravo just gives us an onslaught of shows. And right now that's what they're doing. I mean, they've got Beverly Hills coming back. Vanderpump Rules coming back. Southern Charm is back. Everything is on right now. So if it gets to be too much, we will leave it probably up to a vote, I would imagine, right? Yeah, we'll see how it plays out. Like December is also tough for us because we usually have pretty bad bandwidth issues. Everything gets kind of compressed into a two-week, two-and-a-half-week period. And then we do all sorts of other stuff, and there's events.

3:47It's crazy. So we're going to try our best. But for right now, let's just stay in the present every moment. Yeah, let's just stay in the present, guys. Yeah, I just don't want to promise things and then, like, take it away. You know what I mean? But here we are. We will keep watching it as we always have. We've never stopped watching it, that's for sure. And it is married to medicine. As I said, we even did marriage medicine in Los Angeles and Houston. So, you know, we've watched. We like Houston, actually. Yeah, Los Angeles was a chore, but Houston was really good. I actually wish Houston came back.

4:20Houston was really good, actually. Houston, I feel like we forgot about that, but Houston was really good. Yeah, Houston deserves another chance, for sure. Yeah, that was great. Okay, well, here we are. One of my challenges from the past few seasons of Married to Medicine is that it kind of hits the same beats every single year. And admittedly, all these Bravo shows do, but really Marriage Medicine, it always starts with Simone and Quad being mad at each other. And it always ends with Simone and Cecil taking everyone to the Caribbean for unlicensed couples therapy. It's always the same thing. And in the middle, Jackie maybe has like a party with vibrators.

5:00And then they have some sort of dinner where we've got to heal the sisterhood that never has been healed in over a decade. The lemon squeeze has been squeezing. So there was part of me that was like, oh, again. But I don't know. For this time, I kind of was like, I was kind of like ready to, it's like, I was like, let's just dive into it. Rather than complain about it always being the same, embrace it for being a ritual. Well, this time they actually did add some stuff to it. Like we've got, well, two newbies technically, but three because Mimi was new last year. Yeah. But she didn't do that much.

5:35You know, she didn't have that big of a part. and this year they kept her and then they added another couple of newbies so I think that that'll kind of freshen it up too and I always love the season when it always also starts with Toya pretending she's the mature one in the group oh my god why can't everybody just start fighting all the time like everybody just needs to get along and then you know by the end of the first one she's fighting and getting messy I just love it and also the classic of Toya opening with a new house. I mean, every season Victoria moves. Every season. I actually thought this premiere was great.

6:14I thought this was one of the strongest premieres they've actually ever had. I really loved it. I was really in it. I think I was refreshed that the entire cast seemed as exhausted as I was between the Simone and Quad rivalry. It's gone on for so long and they have these fake moments of healing. They literally kicked Quad off the show. And like, she still came back. And it's just kind of funny because they do these things to make it seem like, oh, we're just going to move past this situation. And the way we're moving past it is we're just going to banish Quad from the show. She's moving on. The show is moving on.

6:47It's like, no, she's back. It's always in the same place. And everyone just seems exhausted by it, which I thought was funny. The only thing that I really was sad about is that we got no Heavenly, which was surprising, but it seems like Heavenly is dealing with stuff. And maybe almost the producers were like, We've got so many new people on. Let's let them breathe a little bit because we know if Heavenly's on there, they won't be able to get a word in edgewise. Well, I think she's just staying away because of the sun stuff. But Heavenly is, I believe, a friend of this year. Yeah, so she's going to be just kind of in the background all season.

7:22But it looks like she's in the previews a lot. But isn't she in the credits? What are you getting? What's her button? Pump click you? I'm getting like a pump click. we just said her name Toya Toya's doing a thing this season which I don't remember her doing every season where she's doing a squeak at the beginning of sentences that's new right but it's really funny she'll be like you guys be a messy I'm like what is this squeak and it's consistent it's like every other you know paragraph she'll start with a squeak you may be right I'm looking at the I think you may be right. I'm looking at the cast photo of Married to Medicine.

8:08Married. I just became a New Yorker. Married. On Bravo. And it looks like we've got Tessa and Simone, Jackie, Quad. Toya's standing there. Everyone's doing a pose and Toya's just standing there, like straight forward at the camera.

8:25I'm the center heart reader, right? What do you call that? Stethoscope. I'm the center stethoscope, right? and then you have was this is this um what's her face then uh well you should have did steve sanders is what's her name you should have did what's what's her name again why am i blanking on her name mimi mimi yes it's mimi right mimi um okay so i can't believe that heavenly is down backseating it this season she's taking a back seat so um which i guess is probably not something to say because I think her son is accused of like trying to run over a cop or something or like driving his car towards a cop.

9:03I was trying to figure it out today. That's all I got. So here we go. We start as we always do with Simone with Patience and they're talking about the woman going through menopause and the wife is like, oh my God, the menopause is torturing my poor husband. And she's like, is the torture recent or has it been the entire marriage? He's like, it's recent. He goes, it's recent. Look at him complimenting you. So then we... We are in sisterhood! And that's the other thing. I was so glad to hear the word sisterhood 900 times because the only show that has eclipsed Married to Medicine in all these years is The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and saying sisterhood.

9:48I know. This show, I think this show... Heather Gay's doing it too. Oh, that's true. That's true. so anyway then we go over to Toya yeah and Toya's teaching her son to drive which is crazy because it's just you know these children grow up soon soon he'll be Ashton will be having an entire season dedicated to him leaving for college which is the tradition on Bravo God the worst thing that happens is when these kids turn 18 and we have to sit through an entire season of watching them go off to college very slowly so anyway a lot of kids these days want to have such a heavy foot why you got to drive so fast And he's like, you drive 100 miles per hour, mother.

10:26And she goes, nah. And he goes, uh-huh. I've taken a photo of it. It's in my camera roll. Like, what?

10:34Then Contessa comes home and is hanging out in the kitchen. You know, I have to get something off my chest that I feel like I've never said in all these years of Contessa being on the show. I hate her kitchen island. I've always hated her kitchen island. With that big swoop in it. I don't know why. It drives me nuts. every single year. I'm like, please fix that Kitchen Island. I know it's like... You're more of a standard rectangle kind of a guy. I want a standard rectangle, and she has that big swoop. I just can't stand it. I don't know why. And when I saw her sitting at that swoop, I was like, I've had it.

11:04I have to say something. I cannot live like this any longer. People need to know how I feel about her Kitchen Island. I do not like it. Yeah, Contessa was doing that whole thing with Scott where they're like, our marriage sucks for a couple years, and then they just got so I think bogged down in that, and now they're just like, we have the happiest marriage of anybody on Bravo. I know, which I don't know that I really buy, but I prefer the fakery to whatever that was. Cause I didn't like that. I did not like it. I think Contessa is perfect in the role that she's playing today, where she's kind of the commentator.

11:39She commentates on everybody else's thing. And she's kind of the voice of reason. That's how I like my Contessa. Like those are the doses of Contessa. I like on this show yeah but but to be fair i don't know any marriage that could survive that sort of kitchen island i mean it's like you're not gonna it's not gonna survive it and also let's never forget his little um remember what i used to hate on his on his movie room how he had the he had the a little like um slate that said like scott's movie room yes i hated that yeah he had a slate didn't he have like popcorn cutouts too like a real movie theater he had like a cutout of nicole kid and been like, thank you for being at the movies.

12:17We come to the movies to watch YouTube videos of Heavenly calling out the ladies. Yeah. So, yeah. And then we go over to Miss Quad and she's like, my party last night was epic, baby, honey. I love seeing Quad back. I love her. So, she's like, classic the doll Miss Quad style. Classic the doll Miss Quad style. We need to just collect all the Quad lines from over the years. Miss Jill the Daffodil has it, baby! I think they should bring Jill back. She was a special kind of crazy. So she's like, 44 has never looked as good on anyone else, honey. And Quad is there with King, and he's like, I'm making a little bit more of that truth serum from last night.

13:02He kind of talks like Craig, if you think about it. He sort of has that nasal mumble. And she's like, oh, you're making a mocktail? He's like, yeah, mocktail's got you feeling nice, right? She's like, I'm always nice when I'm around you. That's because I feel nice, king. And so then she grabs his wiener and he's like, what are you doing? She's like, oh, wait a minute now. I thought I felt something. So she's talking about how since New York, everything, the reunion, I mean, everything's been going really well. And they're very happy. And they're not living together yet. And they do not have a solution.

13:37although Quad does have another try to solution for these ladies always hating on her she's tried this before and she's going to try it again and that is her own group of girlfriends that she worked on with so nobody can ever try and leave her out of scenes and that's what she's doing today she's having a pool party with all her girls yeah but this time the new group of friends is actually on the show as opposed to having a rival show on I forget what network that was on that Sister Circle was on Sister Circle Right. She was on that sister circle was that TV show she was on. She was a co-host, which was great.

14:10But then they all got jealous of her. And she also was kind of like, I'm, I'm, I'm now on, I'm a co-host of a, of a show. So I don't need to like show up to have married to medicine. And they had a whole issue. They actually filmed many, they actually flashback many times, the big fight they had the big sister circle fight that they had from a few years ago, which was nice to remember that. So anyway, now we have Angel and Angel is the nurse, right? She's like the hot nurse. I think she's the hot nurse, right? Yeah. And so Quad says Angel's her good friend. They've been friends for many years.

14:46Yes, honey! And she's beautiful and she's smart and she's degreed up. Baby's got about three degrees! And she's a very successful nurse, a true hustler, and Quad is here for all of it. All of it! all of it yes and Angel's like hey so who showed up Quad who showed up to the party she's like well all the girls came well and King's like except for dot dot dot well except for Simone and Cecil they didn't even come to my party that I only invited them to two hours before so then we go over to Simone and Jackie who were doing their you know customary or their whatever their customary lunch except today it's not on the little park bench outside the office today it's in some kind of cafeteria i was like this show's budget is amazing this year they love the budget i did not appreciate watching them have lunch not at a outdoor table that had like a great top that food falls through and lands on your knees because that we all been there right you know where you think you're you think you're you're safe because your legs are under the table but you're at an outdoor picnic table that's actually a grated surface.

15:59I hate that. A grated surface. And then they'll put ketchup all over your knees. Ugh! So annoying. Yeah. They just got sick of paying people to wipe off the table, so they just made them all grates. Yeah. They're like, okay, fine. So we're going to go into a cafeteria. So Jackie is like, Simone's like, where have you been? And Jackie's like, well, I've been doing mostly meetings today. How's your day been? Well, you look adorable. Okay, well, I've been on calls tonight because guess, Oh, hold on one second. I've got a phone call. So she's doing like doctor talk on the phone. And Jackie keeps trying to butt in with advice, which is funny.

16:37She's like, send a CMP, LD, a uric acid just to make sure we are on top of the sisterhood. And Jackie's like, how many weeks? How many weeks are you? She's 31 weeks, right? I got somebody being nosy. Another OBGYN. Need to mind her business. Well, tell her she's a very smart friend. Tell her she sounds fat from here. She should work on that.

17:01So what was the name of this thing again? Why am I blanking on it? It's like. What was it? It's like, cool. Can't. It's like. So fat you can't show your face in public. That. Hold on. I have to look it up because we can't go without knowing that. Jackie, Dr. Jackie's weight loss program was called. Like putting the it in fit or something like that. Or the new fit or the fit. Oh, God. Fit is the new it. Fit is the new it. Fit is the new it.

17:41Look, we even made the A lose some weight. We turned the A into an I. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

17:54So now they talk about Quad, and Simone's like, Well, when I left New York, I was very disappointed in my behavior. But playing the victim frustrates me so badly. And if you come over here, either you play nice, or you probably shouldn't come to my playground. I think that was her way of saying, like, this is my show. Okay? like you act like it's not like like you act like you moved on like you're more famous in the show and then you come back when then you want to come groveling back but like this is my show so if you want to play on my show like you gotta like you gotta play by the rules so Jackie is like um she's basically like well Quad and Simone neither of them are willing to forget the past the anger has become like concrete now you know trying to crack concrete I need a jackhammer I could also squeeze a lemon to try to help but probably need a jackhammer let's get a jacket so meanwhile Quad is telling her girls she's like here's the thing Simone is still harboring some things when it comes to me she pops up on YouTube channel and wonders who's gonna help pay off my house she wonders who's gonna help me pay my mortgage in the house that I live in it was just random and then I was listening to the radio and even Bono weighed in asking who's gonna ride your wild horses I'm like, why are you so concerned about my wild horses, Bono?

19:21I just get sick of the up and down of the roller coaster to the point where, especially me, I'm a Taurus. And once I'm done with it, I'm done with it. It's just like I've never known you. And King's like, so you're sick of it? Well, guess what? We're all sick of watching it. I was like, thank you, King. Thank you for finally speaking my mind. I also love that King watches Mary to Medicine. I know They're really bored of it So Quad is like If she's stuck in that space That's just her And King is like So Angel is like Well I wouldn't invite her to my birthday party either If she's bringing that type of energy So I get it I guess I understand What I'm trying to say is Can I be on this TV show I'll totally take up all your fights So Quad's like Well watch this Here's a kiki I'm gonna give y 'all this kiki because we have a group text.

20:16And everybody and girls were texting me and they said, happy birthday, Quad, which meant so much to me. And then Simone comes in and says, happy birthday to you, Quad. Hope you're having a fantastic day. And I was like, ooh, burn. So then we go to Simone's side and Simone says, Simone, it's good to hear from you. It's been a while. A good birthday gift from you is to help me pay off my mortgage. now that's petty of quad but it could also be kind of like a okay i heard what you said i'm making a joke about i'm i'm i'm clocking that i heard what you said but i'm also kind of making joke about it so like someone could have just been like ha ha ha ha that's true or whatever but then simone's like did she really think that two hours before her birthday party that i'm gonna get in my closet, try to find something to wear, put on a butt pad, and fucking come to her party.

21:15Hell to the no! Well, to be fair, yes. Two-hour invitation, yeah, that's bad. That's bad. I forgot about that part of the shade. Yeah, so Quad tells them that she invited Simone to the party, and they're like, that was so nice of you, Quad, to do that. And the producer asked Jackie when she got the invite, and she's like, that is a messy old question. I'm sworn by HIPAA not to reveal anything that Quad tells me in secret. Two weeks before the party. Jack is like, did you think about the part where you said, who's going to help Quad pay for her mortgage? Remember when you said that? And Simone's like, I thought about that part.

21:53But when she was on an interview, it asked who she would choose in her group for the traders. And she said, Simone, how is it that you can mention my name and assume that I'm never going to mention your name in a theoretical article about who would be cast on The Traitors. But also, doesn't everybody want to be cast on The Traitors? It was kind of a compliment. I think that's like the big show everybody on Bravo is trying to get on. So, you know. It's also just so funny how they all track every stupid interview that all their cast members do. They are tracking everything. It's like, Simone, you should, like, can't you spend your time down in your Cecil's sad basement bar having a cocktail instead.

22:36Like, come on. This is like too much. If you drag me, I'm gonna drag you. NASCAR should have hired me. And Jackie goes, hmm. Could have been better. Do you have any work? Can you do some prop work maybe with some pumpernickel bread? Okay, fine. I actually just did a jackhammer joke that went over very well. So I would suggest just redoing that one. Okay. okay, if you want me to do some pumpernickel prop work, I will do it. She doesn't realize that there's so much shit in this bag. And she holds up like a little baguette bag. She's like, there's so much shit in this bag that I could say about her that I heard about her.

23:16Shit I witnessed with her that if she continues to fuck with me, I could empty the bag on her. So shut the fuck up. And then she pours out the bag and a little loaf of pumpernickel falls out. You know, Jackie was like, more cars. Bread. Bread. That's hard. The ultimate weapon, carbs. That is not the new it. That's right. That's so funny. When she just done that, she's like, you want to fuck with me? It's like this little seeded bread drops out. A little side from Panera or something. And they do a close-up on it, like, dun, dun, dun. It's a seeded pumpernickel loaf. So now Eugene is coming home, and Toya's cleaning.

23:59and he's like, don't I get a hug? I've been gone for five days. And she's like, so she's like, okay, everybody, the Harris's have moved again, but Eugene loves the new Harris bull. He loves it. He's like, I love the house, and Toyo did an excellent job. Yeah, well, people thought I was going to be renting forever, but no, no, no. The house is definitely a custom build. Everything is designed from the top of wood and the staining and the design of the cabinets to the walls to the closet. It's like, Jesus, when you walk in that room, it's beautiful. And then Eugene's like, please don't blaspheme this house with Jesus.

24:40It's not blasphemy. What person hasn't walked in the room and not been like, ooh, and smiled? That's what you're doing with Jesus, right? He's like, oh, God, we're already starting off the season with me cringing. And we see the closet, and it is amazing. It has like a big um what do you call those cherry blossom tree in there i don't like in the middle of the closet i mean i don't you know awesome in the maybe like a an island you know i like that where you can like fold clothes on it and stuff like that i don't know what you do with the tree but it's very pretty it's it's a nice house but it's sort of funny because then we see toya in the kitchen and like right after she's talking about how beautiful and luxurious the house is we see her slam a cabinet closed like bang and like the way it just sort of like bounces off it's kind of like cheap cabinetry and it's also like you know i kind of feel like if you're having like a fancy house you have those doors that don't slam they just sort of like you can slam them but they'll sort of slowly close but she's just like oh boom it just bounces back and forth i was like okay well it's another toy house yeah and our friend laurianne calls toyya toyya toyya income destroyer because Toria's always moving and spending so much money.

25:52And I think that nickname is so funny, especially when we see that just like Toria gets a new house every year, Eugene has new jobs every year. So now we find out. Yeah, exactly. Because Toria's spending that money. So Toria's like, how was work? Which one were you at? The one five hours away or the two and a half hours away? And he's like, this wasn't so bad. It was just two and a half hours away. and she's like Avery that trash needs to go out put that bag inside that bag and then you carry that bag now I gotta teach people how to do the trash because their daddy is five hours away now what happened he's like I've run out of places to apply here I have two jobs in other states okay get off my ass he's like I'm doing this job because it earns me a lot more money it's like how do you think this house pays for itself this poor guy has to now go remote to a distant location in Georgia just to be able to afford their lifestyle so he's like it's just you know I have to get a hotel room he could have a whole other family if he wanted to do he would have equal time with both he's like yeah but I don't think I would make enough money to have two families I couldn't do it so he's like okay well it's not like I'm an absentee father.

27:12I'm not on the West Coast. You know, I'm still in Georgia. I mean, it was two and a half hours, and she's like, you're not here. You don't spend nights here. So you're gone for five days at a time. So, guys, do you feel a difference now that you're dead? It's not really. You know, let me teach you something early about women. We don't want you to answer before we finish the question. And while she's saying that, Eugene goes, I was about to say the same thing. She sounds right over her. So she's like, okay, do you see any difference now that your dad's gone? He's like, not really. No, they start laughing because it just answers in the exact same tone.

27:49She's trying to paint a picture like the family's falling apart. The kids are, you know, they're sad. They're missing their dad. The kids are like, no, it's fine. We're happy. She's like, I feel like a military wife. Well, so does Eugene. Feels like he's in the military. He's got PTSD from being married to you. So many houses. Okay, so now we go over to contestant Scott And Scott's like, hey, oh, how's it going? How come you didn't let me know you were here? Hi, Candessa. Love of my life. We've never had any problems. She's like, well, I'm just trying to get this work done, you know, so it could be finished.

28:25So she is, she's like, oh, God, you live the life of Riley because he's watching a basketball game. She's like, I'm going to get you 17 more jobs. I'm just going to apply like as you. Okay. That's a lot. So they basically are working a lot because they bought a building. And they are still renovating this building because this was like two seasons ago that they got the building, right? Like this was, it's been a moment since they got a whole medical ass facility. And they're putting all this money into this building. And I'm just like, why did you guys buy a building? Why did you buy an unrenovated building?

28:58This was not smart. Yeah. And she says they paid in cash. So they had to cash out everything, all their 401ks, IRAs, all the bonds. And then they went on below deck med and left like the, or below deck something. and left the lowest tip of all time. Now we understand. Yeah, exactly. Now we know why you skimped on that tip. So he brings her a package, and he's like, someone just did a drop-and-dash. I thought you were ordering more artificial turf. We are killing it this season, aren't we, honey? But it's an invitation on turf, which is odd. I don't think we've seen that yet. We've seen a lot of odd invitations.

29:36I have not ever seen one on a sample Home Depot turf. this was this was weird so the invitations from the sanders and it's like you are invited to the sanders polo classic joins for a day on the green where divots get stomped and the champagne's pristine pristine rhymes with green see what we're doing there oh we ran out of turf to write on just details on the back so so quad gets it and i love that quad is like reading it she reads it she goes because it says wear your finest and let's toast with a clink to the horses polo and friendships in the sink she's like okay little dr seuss okay let's see this she goes wow this is nice so she calls up mimi and she's like so i see that people were down to home depot wow they got a nice they did a nasty do-it-yourself project it's like it's a grass wall okay she goes well it's not on the wall i found it on the ground in my porch it looks like astroturf to me and so she says that Her relationship with Mimi has changed, and they love hanging out, and they'll stay out until four or five in the morning.

30:44Wow. They have a crazy, crazy girlfriend's moment. So Mimi's like, she's like, you know, there's Dr. Mimi, and then there's Mimi. It's like Mimi after dark, okay? There's also daytime Mimi. There's also like afternoon Mimi. Also, Fika Mimi. When you're in Sweden, you have Fika, and that's Fika Mimi. She's crazy. She loves a coffee. Anyway, not all the ladies have seen that, but a little espresso martini, which rhymes with Mimi. Oh my God, I'm crazy. A little twerk. And we're going to have a good time. Steve and I, we just love to host parties. And we just love a theme. But, you know, since we've been down in Atlanta, we've not had a chance to do that because we're just trying to make it nice on TV.

31:21And now that we're actually full-fledged cast members, party time! Sanders extravaganza! So she's like, okay, we don't need to all have conversations. Let's just have a good time at this party. And she's like, we don't need conversations. I don't think. Like, what type of conversations would we need? What are you talking about? She's like, have you talked to Simone? Please don't pretend you don't know what I mean when you're going to fight with Simone at this party. No, I have not spoken to her. But, like, you know, I just don't know what it is with Simone and me. It's just always something. I've apologized.

31:54I've been accountable. What else can I do? Anything else from this point is just straight ass kissing. And I've never been in that business. It just doesn't pay enough. and she's like okay so we don't kiss ass and we don't get in someone's face we're gonna keep it moving all right it's like correct but we will be there so now we go to the sanders polo classic and me notably i would just say notably it's not at a polo grounds it's just in a front lawn yeah it's a polo theme well i would have thought it was going to be a party at a polo polo grounds. Because we've seen, I mean, even the ladies of Dubai went to polo grounds.

32:36Although I guess that's not crazy because it's Dubai. But I just feel like, I feel like if you're on a Real Housewives show and you're having a polo party it should be at polo. Like at some sort of polo place. Right? Well, people have Mad Hatter's Tea Parties and they don't go down some damn rabbit hole. I would expect that too. Take acid. Find a Warren. You know, it's a theme. Find a Warren. Find a borough. So they even got the horse statue from the sunland park mall in el paso texas just a big white hollow horse and it has been around the world it's all scuffed up like they didn't even touch it up with pain it's all this poor horse poor rental horse is just a mess oh i know they really could have they need to apply some sort of like i don't know some plaster of paris or something yeah what do you call like what do you call the stuff to fill in cracks on a kitchen island you know yeah even just even just spray it down you know what i mean you are a party rental place i'm not paying for this so um they have this janky horse and um she's like oh yeah you know i love the horse statue we we had to sort of bring that vibe because you know it's a polo party mimi mimi sanders they know us in the east so yeah they're gonna do this whole thing they've got one of those walls where um people hand you drinks through the walls, which I appreciate the whimsy.

34:00It doesn't seem like I have a... It doesn't really match the polo theme. But, you know, sure. You know, just like polo, where you ask for drinks from a hole in the wall, and then they come out. I would like to see my bartender's face. I would like to see if they've washed their hands, if they're picking their nose. Yeah. I like the way Toya did it later on the episode, where she just basically put her head at the curtain and was like, uh, what tequila you got back there? so Mimi's saying that their practice is booming and they're hiring new therapists and clinical directors and nurse practitioners they're busy with their kids and all that and Steve is and she's like saying but you know if you're going to work hard you're going to play hard and he's like yeah this is playing hard this is where you come alive Mimi and she goes yeah because you've seen me after dark like Mimi this is twice now in like two minutes that you've been like Mimi after dark I guarantee Mimi after dark is her nodding off while she's doing Wordle on the sofa.

34:57Yeah, but her new thing, she's like, they called me boring last season, but this season it's Mimi After Dark. Okay. And he's like, yeah, I guess we describe that as a little sophisticated ratchet. And they're like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha. So, Simone and Cecil are getting ready for the party and trying to find a hat to match the dress, et cetera. And then Toya is joining them because she's going to get ready with Simone and she's asking what they're doing with the backyard. They're getting a new deck. Thank you. And Simone's like, well, you haven't even been here for eight months. I guess you're just kicking it with quad.

35:35Well, I was over here two months ago. She's like, well, I guess you're so busy kicking it with quad. I'm just going to keep on repeating that you're kicking it with quad. She's like, okay, well. Mimi, after hours.

35:51Well the fact that you haven't been kicking it with Quad is beyond me I mean that was your friend But from what I've been hearing She hasn't been my friend in a long time Haven't you been in this sisterhood? I know because you've been talking about her with people Talking about this girl with his ex-wife Come on now And she's like I made a joke Okay Well then talk to me about her I'll keep it with me Like, this is Toya. For a moment, it seems like Toya is maturing. Yeah, this is always Toya in episode one. She's like, listen, you talk to me. We're friends. I'll keep it between us. You don't have to be messy.

36:29We're all friends here, guys. So she says, you know, Simone, Quad's already mad about you talking to Sweet Tea and bringing her around the group. But now you're talking about her finances, too. And then we see a clip of her and Sweet Tea making some video. and Sweet Tea makes a comment about Quad not being able to pay her mortgage and Simone's like, yeah, who is paying that mortgage? Dun, dun, dun. Yeah, I mean, Simone did like, you know, we talked, we're talking a bit about Girl Code on Potomac but Simone, I mean, really kind of like welcoming Gregory back into the circle. That's a pretty that's a pretty rough Girl Code violation right there.

37:10Like, that's way worse. girls we didn't talk about last season on this show all those girls were terrible bringing gregory and the and the new wife back and then constantly trying to make quad fight with her even though she was like i'm not gonna fight with her i barely i don't even know this girl good luck to you and then they just kept on and kept on and then it exploded and and sweet tea the whole time was like i'm not gonna fight with these old ladies yeah yeah she's why would i i'm leaving yeah yeah so that's way worse than any article about the traitors in my mind so um toya is like i think that going forward that we don't want to lose anybody else in this group because we want to be better sisters towards each other right which is why i'm going to go after jackie right after this yeah exactly so cecil and cecil's like yeah well what happens if jackie checks you and then we see if watch what happens live where toya is talking about Curtis being handsy and saying, well, you know, Curtis has had his hands on a couple of people in this cast.

38:11And then we see a clip of what she's talking about where I think they were on a couple's clip and Curtis grabs Toya and sits her down on his lap. Which always was not great. Weird. Yeah, it was always weird. Curtis is gross. Sorry. Curtis is gross. He's always been gross. Toya was clearly uncomfortable. with that and uh you know and it was a little it was surprising i don't i didn't remember this if it's already been on but like i was it's surprising to hear that jackie has been like no you chose to sit down like that's a pretty that's pretty fucked up of jackie yeah and and don't forget jackie i mean i love dr jackie and i think she's like amazing but she has had moments where she's not been great i'll never forget everything that happened with buffy i thought Buffy was awesome.

39:03I loved Buffy. But Jackie was pretty icy to Buffy and kind of crossed some lines with her. Yeah, totally. And her constant fat shaming of people is gross. She does it again in this episode. She pulls it like a Heavenly. When Heavenly first came on, she does the same thing to this new girl that she did to Heavenly. She can be pretty gross. She just does it in a very classy way. So I think she gets away with more. But yeah, she can be just as nasty as everybody. Here comes one right now.

39:38So, um, Toria's like, well, I didn't make the question. I just answered the question in an honest way. And Jackie could have brought this situation to me that it bothered her. But instead she brought it up to the Fab Five. Okay, well, you brought it up on national TV. So. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a pretty big thing to be like, yeah, he touches everyone in the group. It's like, oh. also when she said she brought it to the Fab Five I was like, was Jackie on like Queer Eye? Was Jackie on Queer Eye when I was talking about that? It's the Beatles. Yeah. So Cecil's like, well she wanted everybody to know that she was pissed at you.

40:13And she's like, yeah, she wanted everyone to know and she wanted them to jump in. So now Toya starts to share these text messages. She's like, well Jackie sends me a clip from the Andy Cohen show, which I thought was so funny. The Andy Cohen show. And she's like, and she's saying Toya's calling out Jackie and says It's not cool. It's like I, Jackie, would never say it about your husband on a public forum. It's not my choice. It's not cool. Yeah. And so she's like, why is it in a group text? You know? And so she said, you know, my problem with Jackie began when she accused me of sitting in her husband's lap.

40:46And so she went on her rant. I went on my rant. And nobody wanted that shit. And the quads did not. And the heavenlies did not. And Heavenly, who's been really nice, because even I was nervous to touch on the fact, you know, what we've been reading on social media with her. Okay, so she's saying, Heavenly, yeah, I'm being nice, because I'm not even bringing that stuff up, which she's bringing up on national TV. She's bringing it up for a second, she gets a chance. She is, but even, I don't know, like, she's not diving headfirst the way normally she would. She was sort of like, I think she was testing the waters to be like, are we going to talk about this?

41:20Should we be shady about this? and basically Simone's like nope because she mentions this that there's this arrest and she's almost saying like this guy named Damon Jr. may or may not be related to Heavenly we don't know and she's also saying like you know it's funny because I'm surprised that Heavenly didn't talk about Damon Jr. on her YouTube because apparently her YouTube is only meant for friends that she really doesn't like or her frenemies and that's us yeah so wait what are who are all of heavenly's kids she's got allura and then she's got i think there's two sons or is it three sons she's got allura and two sons i don't remember the son's names though is the problem i just remember allura is like the most famous one the sons sort of like uh sort of drifting in and out of the show there was one season where they were a little bit more present than ever before but they are they pretty much but what's on damon jr the one that was working with heavenly and he was like interning with her to become a dental hygienist or something i think so i don't really remember okay kids generally don't pay much attention to unfortunately okay so um yeah i guess it's just the way she said it because some guy named damon jr was arrested might be related to heavenly so i guess that's what what confused me so she just didn't know was that i think she was giving some wiggly room to be like like if we want to lie about this we can say it's a different damon jr you know she's kind of like oh okay i feel like she's kind of saying like it looks like it but i'm not gonna i won't go too hard right now what's oh because when she first said it i was like oh is this back to the rumor that daddy has other children or whatever like daddy got someone knocked up a long time or whatever i don't know this has been 12 years of this show it's like there's so much that's gone on in this show so um okay so this is the demon jr that we know yeah i think this is toys version of being delicate it's like a Toya Delicate.

43:28Toya. Basically a ballerina.

43:34So she's like, that's why she should clear it up. So the first person I called was Simone, and I said, Simone, figure it out. So Simone's like, yeah, it's true. And Simone is saying, she's like, she can only imagine how frustrated and heartbroken Heavenly and Damon are. And she says there's a target on black men in America, and there's no nice way to put it. And she's basically like, we are raising, she basically tells Toya, look, we're raising black boys in America, we can't fuck with it we can't touch it she's like don't we're not making this a storyline we're not going to make we're not going to give this error we're not doing this right now yeah um so cecil's like yeah you told simone when you got here that you guys were going to try and do a better job with sisterhood so don't be tit for tat with heavenly okay just because she's been a jerk let her be wrong let her be and she goes let her be what just let her be it's like let her be what he goes let her bring it out if she wants to and Simone's like but if she never does and he goes okay then you guys do it if she doesn't do it you guys you know what I'm just going to stand here and drink my fucking tequila I don't know why I'm talking to you I'm just going to sit here and slowly descend into my path of alcoholism that we've been watching for the past 12 years yeah so now we go over to Steve and Mimi's polo classic and Jackie and Curtis show up and contestant scott steve is wearing i don't know if he's actually emerged yet but he's wearing this he's wearing a very bright yellow suit but he's also in he's also wearing this crazy fedora that has like this louis vuitton sash around it it looks he looks crazy he looks crazy crazy this is not what you should wear to polo this is not what you should wear to like anyway like fro-yo Froyo Polo wherever you're going it looks wild Listen I love a man exploring fashion there's no reason men shouldn't be able to as well but good lord Dora you're on the wrong road I know I like Steve he seems like a really nice guy and he seems so happy that he's like wearing his Louis and they call it out later that he always has got to wear his Louis but like sir try to coordinate it a little bit So now Contessa and Mimi are gossip about, you know, Simone and, you know, the party and Simone being invited last minute.

45:55And Contessa's like, yeah, I mean, listen, but if you invite somebody the same day, you really don't want them there. I mean, duh. So then Toya arrives and Brandy and her guy, Shamar, who's not dressed at all. Like we go from the guy and all Louis, like doing too much to this guy who's just like, I'm just going to wear jeans. Yeah. And everyone's saying hi. Hello and everything and Brandy and Shamara They meet the group and Toya's Singing she loves She's like yeah Brandy is like A boss she's a girl boss she has a Medical spa yeah and so we see That she's like that's what she does she's like Hey you know does Botox and stuff like that And then Toya's like where's The other half and Jackie's like who Haven't leave oh I thought you were looking For Curtis no you can't miss Curtis because he's Super tall and his hand is usually under your butt am I Right everyone am I right high five Well, we got a text from Heavenly saying she couldn't make it, and she didn't really add.

46:51But I know she's about to run for vice president of the United States of America, so she's starting her campaign early. Actually, isn't Heavenly running for some sort of local office? Yeah, like mayor or something. That's probably why she's also stepped away from this, you know? Because she knew she'd probably be messy and be like, you're a manna! And I'm like, okay, can't do that if you're running for mayor. You're a mayor! Yeah, she's in the general election for U.S. House Georgia District 13, November 3rd, 2026. Get your voting ready, people. Get your votes ready to go. I would love to see Heavenly in Congress.

47:29Me too. She would be your mama-ing everyone. She would be hilarious. She would be so good. We need a new entertaining congressperson. Come on, man. We really do. I want to move to Georgia just so I can vote. I know. I just wanted to yell, Mama, the right people, of course. I'm hoping that we're politically. I actually don't know if we're politically aligned. Heavenly, sometimes, Hugh's a bit conservative. So I don't know if we're politically aligned. But if we are, I'm all for it, baby. Yeah. Even if not, at this point, I don't even care. Just entertain me. Because it's so depressing. Like, it's so depressing.

48:06I just want to laugh, you know? I know. So, Toria's like, well, I don't think Jackie's telling the truth right now. She can't possibly be. Because the only thing that I think keeping Heavenly away from this group is Damon. And that would be the only reason, her son. Because she hasn't missed a group function in over 12 years. Which is crazy that Heavenly makes every single function. I love that. That is pretty impressive. So, Toria's like, well, the only person not coming is Heavenly. She said Heavenly told us it's none of our business. because Jackie said, well, actually, Heavenly said it's not her business, so I didn't ask her.

48:41And Mimi's like, well, I asked her, and she said we'll talk about it, so I have to have respect for that, and I will. I mean, you just, you know, that, let's look, if it had been After Dark Mimi who had called, or Mimi After Dark, I should say, maybe I would have asked, but it was just regular Mimi, so I couldn't ask. That was the Mimi on the phone version that she was talking to, so that's what she got. Yeah. So Toya is like, well, is Curtis mad at me? he did speak i mean and jackie's like um maybe it's because toya has said that he's touched several of us like toya like toya you go on tv and you say the guy has touched several of the people like on the cast and then you're like oh is he mad at me i'm not yeah it doesn't negate what toya is saying or what her truth is but it is funny that she's like oh well why would he be mad what's he mad about and so jackie's like well i was mad and she says why well because it painted curtis in a light that's not representative of who he is today tory goes today jackie's like yeah you have to you know jackie is so sick of having to film with toya stupid ass for 12 years jackie is this very like smart accomplished woman who has to sit here and deal with Toya every year.

50:00And, you know, she was just like, you know, it wasn't that long ago that I was FaceTiming with the Vice President of the United States, and now I'm having to talk with Toya. And so then Jackie's like, well, it was several of us that got me, okay? And she goes, well, why would I do that? And she's like, we were already going through a situation, Toya. And so that's when Curtis was spotted with the mystery woman, and we were about to divorce. And Tori's like, yeah, they were sleeping in separate beds. And Mimi's like, okay, so you were basically you were going through a situation with your man, okay?

50:35You guys are getting Mimi in the backyard now, so feel free to tell me anything. Backyard Mimi. Tori's like, well, I just would like my friend to say, hey friend, I'm sorry that I said you sat in my husband's lap. And Jackie's like, no, I can't agree with that. Jackie, you're wrong, though. I mean, we see the clip again, and it's clearly him grabbing her and pulling her into his lap. So stop it. It really is. Yeah, stop that. Like, Toya is right on this one. So, she's like, Jackie has lied to herself and said that I sat on her husband's lap. Maybe that's her way of dealing with the fact that her husband put his hands on yet another woman.

51:13So Jackie's like, well, if what happened happened and you feel awkward, I'm sorry that you feel that way.

51:22Bad answer, Jackie. Bad. Bad answer. I mean, Jackie, you've already said, like, your husband's a pig he slept around with other people and i'm still going to give him a chance so why can't you say my husband was a pig and he acted terribly with you i'm really sorry he's working on it or whatever like why would you do this like it's just idiotic it doesn't make any sense there's evidence on television ma 'am and so tori goes are you tried to table the discussion it's like no she's actually i will say for jackie's defense she's actually standing there talking about it, which is kind of rare for Jackie, because a lot of times Jackie will walk away and be like, I'm above this.

52:00I'm above it. So anyway, Angel arrives with Quad and King, and Smell's like, oh, look at Quad. She's making a grand entrance. Very beautiful. Let me mosey over there. I actually feel like Quad's just arriving like anyone else is at the party, because they're all in costume. Or maybe not costume, but they're all in thematic outfits for this polo at this polo party that's not at a polo grounds well she's not entering abnormally for quad i mean that's just quad you know she's just one of those people she walks in she's like

52:48so good uh yeah so simone you know also Simone could just be less miserable for I mean she's just so she starts off so negative like let it simmer you know what I mean yeah like let it build up through the whole season but or like yeah if you want to win the fight then like don't do that like let quad do that for you like because quad quad's a diva and Simone is pressed at all times and so well Simone it's like yeah I'm sorry it's like let if Simone is chill quad will eventually do something I mean, she'll show up extraordinarily late to something. She'll piss off someone. And Simone will win.

53:26But when Simone's coming in hot and Quad just like, I'm fine. Like, hey, I know. I moved on. Simone's the one who looks like the asshole in this situation. Well, she's also like a villain who's been foiled. You know, like, oh, that moose, you know? Because she really tried it. She really tried it with Quad. She got Quad off the show. Then Quad returns to the show. Then she gets, and by the way, I know that she's not casting. I guess I should say supports Dr. Gregory and Sweet Tea and does that whole thing. And then tries to get Quad off the show again. They kick her off that trip, that wine trip or whatever.

54:03She's constantly trying. And Quad keeps coming back happier and happier and apparently richer and richer because Quad's now in this huge house for the past couple of years. She's got this hot boyfriend for the past couple of years. And Simone's just losing. She keeps losing. and it's like you need to just pull yourself together and move past it and try again and let it build up. But don't just sit in the misery of losing. You look like a bad loser. Well, the other thing is that like Quad ultimately remains the fan favorite. She is ultimately the biggest star from the show, I believe. I think that Jackie is maybe the most successful to come out of the show, but Quad I think is like the most quote unquote iconic of everyone.

54:40And like there have been times in the past where Quad has driven me nuts because she does sometimes act like she's bigger than the show. And she does sort of, you do feel like she's not really throwing herself into the show the way others have. But I think that she's sort of moved past that. I think Quad is kind of like, I feel like she's sort of not, I'm not going to say she's post-Diva, but it seems like she's like, this is, like, I know what I've got to do to be on the show. I know my role. I know my responsibilities. And she's now like kind of like, she's like in it, I feel like, like really in it.

55:10And so I understand the frustrations with Quad, but it's time to move on. It's really time. Yeah. So Simone goes over there and she's got a personal fan on her. And she's like, well, Quad, I'm hot. She goes, you're hot. Why are you hot, baby? And she's like, well, I am. I'm hot. I have a fan. But happy birthday, Quad. And she's like, well, thank you. So she tells us, Simone will get real close, almost in kissing distance. But because we're not there right now, we're not going to kiss. but best thing I can keep, best thing I can hope is she keeps her cool because we all know Simone is a hothead.

55:49So they're still having this like, I know. So are you still hot? And so then she like puts a fan in her face and she goes, that's Beyonce air conditioning. Okay. And then Mimi's like, okay, everyone go play some chess because we play chess figuratively all the time. sorry that's bobby fisher mimi for you guys play some chat you just got a little queen's gambit mimi so uh toya is looking behind the drink curtain already she's like sticking her head through the hole she's like excuse me how am i supposed to know what's in my drink can i have some roses and some lime and i don't know what's the tequila looking like give me some tequila what tequila you got back there so randy randy's saying hi she's like um nice to meet you everyone and everything, and Simone was like, Brandy used to work at the North Side.

56:42Do you realize that, Jackie? And she's saying that she worked in intervention radiology. And Jackie goes, is your thyroid enlarged? I don't know, maybe she doesn't know it. And they're like, oh my God, Jackie. Jesus Christ. She goes, yeah, maybe she didn't know it. And Brandy goes, mm-hmm. And she goes, well, I just can't stop staring at it. She's like, okay, we're good. We're good. Thanks. We're good, lady. Yeah, Toya did say that sometimes Jackie will, you know, give a little subtle shade i was like i don't think that was subtle at all that was thyroid shade we haven't seen yeah jackie really is an asshole about the stuff like that oh my god one thing i really hope like if there is such a thing as karma i just hope somehow jackie gets overweight i don't know what would do it but like if i was living close to jackie and i had like the invisibility cloak i would sneak in there and put an ivy in her at night and just fill it with mayonnaise and just get Jackie chunky because I'm so sick of Jackie's fat shaming bullshit.

57:40I'm sick of it. So then Toya goes up to Simone Simone, can I give you some advice? So me and Quad went years and years and years angry and I don't want that to be you guys and there's a montage in here that shows them fighting for the whole show Quad and Simone. I'm sorry, Quad and Toya. Quad and Toya. Their last such fight was 2023 i'm like uh you know that was like 18 months ago like you do not have enough like peace time under your belt to act like you have like suddenly moved on and are better with quad i'm sorry no no toya you cannot act like you have the hindsight here and the wisdom you guys will be fighting by the end of week three i'm sure yeah so she's like well we'll never get back to where it was and then quad is saying to her to angel she's like well i mean i've done all that I can do.

58:33And if she wants to bridge the gap and have a real relationship, then I'll be all for that. So then now they're looking for Mimi and Mimi's with her clique, Simone says. And Toria's like, oh, Mimi, you're with your clique, I heard. She's like, my clique. See, I told you, listen, I don't have a clique. I just have people that I like and people that I get along with and people that are great and you know it's i don't know mimi mimi at the o maybe this is well it's not really after hours mimi it's not really a morning mimi this is just like open this is this is a this is office hours mimi where anyone can come in okay there's no clicks here so simone goes okay because now all the ladies are gathered and she's like can i take an honest vote from every lady here.

59:25Show of hands, who would have come to a birthday party by invitation two hours before? Oh, Simone, why are you bringing this up? It's like it wasn't even discussed, you know? So Quile's like, well, I wouldn't have, but here's the thing. I hadn't heard from you in a while, and last time I heard anything, you were wondering how I was gonna pay my mortgage. You were quite concerned. Well, it was a joke. We drag each other in this sisterhood. We drag each other. Who's dragging? Where's the dragging? She goes, oh, so I'm the traitor. And Quag goes, oh, yeah, well, yeah. If one can drag, we all should be able to drag.

1:00:11She's like, I'm not mad. I'm ready for the drag right now, if you're interested. And Mimi's like, wait a second. Drag Mimi is not here just yet. Can we wait five minutes? Okay? It's still afternoon Mimi. me please not it's a sandra's polo classic which i thought was funny and someone's like cool me off first cool me off i'm ready and jack is like girl get over here get back to your playground get on the playground stop this and then now it's time for the guys to duck so king is like hey cecil we missed you at the week this week at the party and cecil's like i know but you know women am i right they're fighting yeah they're always fighting i'm sick of this and king goes yeah and we're tired of hearing of it.

1:00:53It's just petty. And he's like, yeah, and I get burned because she says I'm taking up for Quad. So then we go back to the ladies and Simone's like, I do not like the way you called my name, Toya. She goes, you guys, could you fix this? Because you're still angry and you're still hurt at those two things. I am, Quad, I am not angry. So she does her sisterhood thing where she goes right up to her and she's like, I don't know. I'm not angry. Listen, Quad, I had an angry outburst with you and I think we were both angry and I stayed in bed two days after that. I don't want to fight. I don't want to.

1:01:32And I feel like she needs the time and the space. Like, Simone has done an entire season of Simone in one episode, you know? I know, she really has. So Quod's like, okay, sure. Tori's like, well, how much time do you need? She's like, I am not on Tori's timetable. But it's actually, it ends seemingly on like a nice moment of like, look, we're both hurt. We just need some time. And then they show, they intercut this with them fighting for the rest of the season. So it looks like nothing has healed. And they're fighting again. And we see a preview for the season to come and they'll be fighting. And then they're like, my favorite part was when they go, we're going to Jamaica.

1:02:15I'm like, oh my God. You guys, I don't know. they go to different islands but they act like so surprised like oh my god we're going to jamaica can we we send them to can we send them somewhere else can we do what about brazil not an island you're like can we send them to a city for these can we please send them to a big city building for these uh husband and wife discussions it's always the caribbean i mean not doesn't it show that where cecil is at the what do they call those a husband and wife retreat things where cecil's like We don't like pretending that couples are perfect. It's like, oh god, here we go again.

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