#3148 RHOSLC S616 Part 1: Going, Going, Antigone

0:21Well, hello. Hello, everybody, and welcome to What's What's What's What's What's Who해 with What's What's Eth уб Dr. replies i'm ronnie that is benjamunius over there hi ben hi look how excited i was i said hello with you today like a greek chorus oh god welcome everybody sad day indeed because it is the ending of an era a salt lake city season six era because salt lake city ends today well i mean it doesn't completely end we've got the reunion episodes coming up where daddy and he gets angry and walks out it's like i can't take it anymore but uh this is the season finale and i have loved the season i mean i love salt lake city i love it i watched a little bit of this members only palm beach show that everybody's talking about on netflix it is like watching a jimmy dean sausage burn in an air fryer i mean i don't i can't look away it's disgusting because I don't eat meat, but it's good.

1:25But nothing compares to Real Housewives. I'm sorry, it just doesn't, okay? You just don't. You don't win, okay? I watched this and I was like, this feels more comforting. Yeah. I mean, I think members only Palm Beach is pretty amazing. I've only seen the first episode. I liked it because it felt like we were finally cashing in on the promise of Elyse Sloan. It's like, finally, finally, this is like Elise Sloan needed to go down to Palm Beach and like metamorphosize into these women. And that's what we got with that. And that show, I think, is pretty incredible off the first episode. But Salt Lake City, Salt Lake City, I think it was a good season.

2:03I don't think it was as strong as some of our more recent seasons. I'm a little worried that it's winking at the audience just a bit too much. Like it got away with it, got away with it. but like we need to like, let's, let's not become self parody. But that being said, before we go any further, we have big news in case you missed it on the last recap. Tickets for the golden crappies are going on sale this Friday. Okay. The golden crappies are going to be on February 27th at the Fonda theater in Los Angeles. It's an LA year. We hope you all come and join us. We always have so much fun giving out awards for the best, the worst, the most chaotic, the most scandalous on Bravo and beyond.

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4:26And one last quick thing is that if you happen to be in the Miami area on February 21st, is it? We are going to be doing Crappy Hour at the South Beach South Beach Food and Wine Festival. How fun is that? We're going to be doing a nice 45 minute set down there. So come join us if you're going to the festival. Yeah, we're so excited to be there. Oh my God, so much food. Alright, so let's get this going. Season finale, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 6, Episode 16. Sisters of Salt, a Greek tragedy. We open with ominous music. I am Greek. and a lady saying, behold the daughters, the sisters of salt, the world's elegance, grace, but the world did not see the war.

5:23Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, And we see a sign that says something like the tomato performance, like performing arts center. I was like, I love that they did this whole big set piece at like the tomato theater. I'm Sancherini. tomatoes are a big part of a big part of greek culture okay yeah i guess yeah yeah exactly um so i i was amused by that it's like a tomato industrial museum which is probably like a very like fine museum but like for some reason the fact that's called tomato it's like that's so appropriate for this show so yes we hear this voice and then we see previews of what's to come later like crying and masks and flowy dresses and it ends with mary saying why are we here if we're not friends if we all feel the same way there's something wrong and then it's like oh and then the women all let me see all the actresses fall on the ground because they die and it's very dramatic 12 hours earlier day four of angie's greek trap so we open with meredith making coffee and she's how dare she how dare she make coffee is something wrong with meredith she's making coffee did you see that meredith marx made coffee and the very first scene i mean wow off of the races she got a straight jacket call betty ford she's going downhill everybody she touched the button under the espresso machine it's terrible when will she ever stop now we all knew that the season finale was going to be heather and whitney's final attempt at taking down Meredith.

6:55They've been trying it the whole season. Let's see what they've got. Do they have anything new for the season finale? Not really. But they do have the addition of Bronwyn on their team, which I found to be an interesting choice. But you know what? Bronwyn, I guess, decided to show up. And she's here. She showed up. So let's see what they've got. Bronwyn's a great fighter. I will say, whether you're on her side or not, I mean, she really can gather someone. I mean, she is so good at it. So Meredith is committing the cardinal sin of making coffee, not even by her own skill, just using a Keurig machine.

7:34So she's making it for everyone and she's being nice and warm, which I mean, who would ever deign to be friendly in the morning after you had a rough night? It's almost like you slept on it and felt better when you woke up. Like, what sort of bullshit is that? What sort of fuckery is that? Why are you not in rehab for sadness? It's crazy. How'd you sleep, Mary? Is that good? I mean, I slept. Well, I hope it's a nice day because it's our last day. Meredith, nice voice, chiming in two episodes in a row.

8:10So Angie comes in and Angie has a swollen lip. And, you know, Mary is that friend who just, no matter what's going on in your life, she just makes you feel better. She just makes you feel beautiful no matter what is going on inside that. I'm just kidding. Where you're just like, kill it with fire. Is it bad? It's bad. It's really bad. It is really bad. And so Bronwyn comes in. She's like, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. I'm going to nod my head five times faster than I say hi. Hi, hi, hi, hi. Look, we are really seeing Angie's heritage at work. She is so Greek. She's a full-on Greek tragedy because she's looking at the lip.

8:55Because they're like, did you see her lip? She goes, see it? I slept next to it. So Bronwyn's like, yeah. And Mary's like, yeah, look at it. It's disgusting. Look at her lip. Hey, Angie, come over here. Look at it. It's disgusting. So Bronwyn's like, yeah, it does look bad. Well, at least you're still pretty, Angie. Oh, thanks, Mary. Thanks, Mary. Jesus. Yeah, seriously. so Bronwyn says something that I was a sentence that makes no sense as of right now she goes I'm excited to see Stella's play at which point I think everyone was like who who Stella and what's the play and Angie tells us we have had some ups and downs but I want everyone to leave here reflecting back on this trip of a lifetime so I found a playwright who's going to write a play about us in the style of ancient Greek theater I'm just going to stop I'm going to pause this recap for a second.

9:50We all recognize that two years ago, Salt Lake City had what I think is believed to be the best season finale of any Real Housewives franchise. One of the best season finales of any reality docu-show ever. It was just fantastic. It broke the internet. We all know. I don't have to explain it. Last year, they clearly felt the pressure to top it, and they had a, maybe not quite as iconic, but definitely hilarious and memorable moment where they all sat down and read each other's texts, and that's when you have like one foot on the banana, one foot in the grave, yada, yada. It was all great. I think it's now time to tell Salt Lake City and other franchises, you don't have to keep chasing the highs of season four.

10:30Just let season four be season four. Let's go back to having normal season finales because like this Greek thing that had this, this Greek play was entertaining and I enjoyed it, but we're getting farther and farther moved away from reality as much as reality exists on these shows. I personally am like a fan of when the shows and with a big party and the whole cast and all like the husbands and everything, you know, everyone that's like associated with it comes together in a party. I enjoy it because there's usually something embarrassing that happens and it's more embarrassing because there's like mixed company there.

11:02The ones that end on vacation are fine, too. I do enjoy that like that the vacation is climactic. but I just feel like trying to chase this moment where you have a big reveal or some giant set piece that happens. It's just going to like take us a little bit. It's going to, it's sort of like heading, not saying it's happening, but it's heading towards jumping the shark. And I would love it if like, we sort of like cap it with this season. Let's cap it with this Greek tragedy and let's like come back down to earth a little bit. I hope I'm not being a party pooper, but that's like genuinely how I feel.

11:33What do you think? Okay. Well, I feel like you're allowed, you know, you're allowed. And I would like to say this. I'm going to say this with as much respect as I can muster. I'm just going to say one word. Boo! Boo! Boo! No, boo. Totally disagree. I love this. I love everything about it. Salt Lake City is community theater housewives. They're ridiculous. They've always been. They shoot in parking lots. They were arrested in a parking lot. Like, this show is so stupid. Even their best season finale was totally scripted by Heather for the entire season. And I love it. I love a good show. I love a show that's going to put on a good show.

12:12And this is definitely dinner theater. And I am here. The fact that they actually ended at dinner theater to me was just so poetic and beautiful. It's everything we've ever called this show. And the fact that we actually got real live dinner theater as a finale. I just was like, this is my favorite show. It can never be canceled. Okay. Now, Heather is still too much. I know I'm on a Heather hate train this year. It's not really hate. Like, I don't hate her or anything. I think she's very valuable to the cast. I'm not saying fire Heather or anything. Heather is too much. This is too much of Heather's drunken bullying people.

12:48She's belligerent and she's a bully. And that's it. That's it. I'm done with her and I'm done with her self-producing. But the rest of it, I mean, I loved it. Even Bronwyn's crazy ass. I mean, I enjoyed the camp value of it, but I just felt, I do have like this nagging feeling like the producers are trying to like generate another break the internet moment and i just i'm like i kind of want them to stop trying to break the internet and just like focus on like the women a little right it's not a mystery you know it's like big little lies did you watch that show the first season was a mystery and then the second season they're like oh god how do we do this if it's not a mystery you know and then people are like i'm not watching that it's not a mystery and it became a different kind of thing and this one is not you're not murder she wrote i don't need it to be like and then heather discovers the killer in the end it's like i don't need that but again i think that that's heather you know it's heather and whitney right i don't well i think but i mean we're seeing it on bravo across the board i think in the in the wake of scandaval and in the wake of the season four finale we're seeing a lot more of the housewives are finishing their seasons on vacation which is not inherently bad but i feel like they're trying to have these big like and here we picked up the kids you know we picked up the cameras or we're going to have a devastating twist in the finale.

14:00And I feel like if the twist is there, if there is something to be twisted, then sure. But like, we don't have to like, like, I don't know. I just, I just worry that they're, they're trying too hard to tell us almost like how to like to, for us to be like, whoa. And I'm like, just focus, like let the, just let the women do what the women do best. And I guarantee we'll be entertained and happy. And I'm not saying like, I had a great time with this and I thought this was really fun, but I almost sort of want the producers to be like, Like, okay, we don't have to like, we don't have to be like, we don't have to keep on trying to top ourselves every single season.

14:35Just like have a good season finale. Okay. Well, you know, I feel like you're allowed, but you know, I don't change a thing, Salt Lake City. You still got me. I'm still here. I'm still here. I'm still rooting for you. Don't listen to Ben. Okay. I got you. Just come in, nestle in my teeth. Well, we're a wash. I think if the producers are actually listening, we're a wash. We're not a big help in that meeting because, yeah, I just love it. Bad focus. But we go to three days earlier and Angie and the girls are meeting Stella, the playwright. Stella Adler, the great actress, the great actress of the acting school.

15:12Stella Adletopoulos. Yes.

15:18Stella Fedler. Stella Fedler. So she's there. And Angie's like, okay, ladies, this is Stella Fettler. She is going to write a play about us. And so now they have to be interviewed by Stella. So it is kind of mixing season finales where instead of going through each other's texts, they're still going to shit talk each other. But now it's going to be to this weird redheaded lady. So and Whitney's like, well, I was bullied, too, for my red hair. How do you feel, Stella? it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial

16:00so we go to stella interviewing them and heather is like okay what do you want to know about me i share nothing i have a stained mattress isn't that wacky i gave my mattress to goodwill and i drove it there in a u-haul truck broke the internet and i wore heels on it and broke the mattress first and then uh lisa's like okay so stella's like uh tell me what is the word how do you describe yourself and lisa goes oh my god oh my god there's like so many words coming to my head um smart okay wait what are some other words trees do you have any words for me trees okay that tree says i'm pretty okay ficus trees think i'm pretty go with that smart yeah gorgeous good Good-looking, hot, wretch, wretch, smart wretch.

16:50Right there. Go to Blake Lively. And Brittany's like, happy. And Brom was like, quirky, unique. Shows up at airport dressed like rhinoceroses for their farting husband while they make out. It's fun. It's fun. You had to be there. It's a good time. Pensive. I will be very pensive. Well, for me, I'm very well-spoken. You can write that down. I'm well-spoken. Oh, how do you say New York Times bestselling author in Greek? Whatever that is, write that in there too. I'm a free spirit. And Mary says self-aware, which is hilarious. The same week that her documentary came out. And then also Brittany goes, um, deep.

17:38Here's the thing. Even when the show throws in contrivances, is these women are still so fucking so good i loved every second lisa's like and two it is yeah i'm a sagittarius i'm a total sag you're a sag right you a sag stella she's no oh yeah oh you're a capricorn yes you are yeah no no oh yeah leo no aries no no okay what are you what are you pices oh my god i knew you were gonna say that i knew you my next my next guest was chicken finger, but I'm so glad. You know what? I knew it. I knew it. I thought your astrological sign was chicken finger at first, but then I was like, it's either chicken finger or Pisces.

18:23What can you tell me about your friends here? She goes, oh my God, dramatic. Poorer. Poorer. Poorer than me. They're poorer than me. They have to be nice words. Okay, that's going to be hard. When he goes, ego. And then. Because they won lots of awards. They've got egos. That is egot. I'm working for one right now. I don't follow.

18:49Elephantal Greek over top play winner. Okay. You know, you may not know this, but I am actually the first ever gregat, which is Greek Emmy, Greek Grammy, Greek Tony Award winner. Actually, I didn't win the Tony, but here in Greece, it is Tzatziki. So I did win a Tzatziki. I won a Tzatziki. It's huge. Huge question. Of course, yes, it is very, very special. And of course, there's no Grammys either, but it is a hero. So, you know, that is the G.

19:29It is silent, Jack in the Box.

19:35We don't have Tonys. it's actually fetishies so it's actually an e-golf. Here we just we only award Tony Shalhoub over and over again.

19:45It's

19:49Greek enough. The Tony Shalhoub award is for Greek enough. It's not actual Greek but you're Greek enough to win this award. The E is actually for Electra. I knew it! So it's like a word from my friends? You want one word for my friends? How about lack of justice? That's okay. Pride. Okay. Well, I think it depends on how you define one word. I would say we're talking about an actual like friendship that I've had for a while. I would say guarded. This sisterhood is guarded. Martyr Martyr McFly Do you mean Marty? Oh, whoops Can I have a new word please? Alcoholic Pill Popper Exploited my vagina Dingbat There's a word to write down And Mary goes, well, I like all of them except one But that's, I mean, that's okay

20:59That's hard, coming up with a word And Lisa goes, I'm just excited to see how this play turns out Just make me cute, okay? Thank you. Thank you. All I care about is I love God. So we come back to the present and the girls are in the kitchen. Thank God Meredith is not making somebody coffee today because they would have had that girl thrown in a goddamn mental hospital. Jeez. So the girls are in the kitchen and Andrew's like, I think it's going to be a great final curtain on our last Greek night. And Brittany's like, good morning. Wait, why are we dressed already? Well, we're going to sit by the pool.

21:34before we meet my cousin, Michaels. Okay, Mikali, Mikali for lunch. You guys are gonna love him. He's Greek, he is Greek. Well, would anyone care for a cappuccino? Cause I'm in a good mood today. Cappuccino, the devil's beverage. So Robin's like, I'm sorry, we're taking someone in. We've heard someone's offered a cappuccino in this house. seeing Meredith so fine and easy breezy beautiful this morning is like a Maybelline ad because really makes me uncomfortable because hours ago Meredith was texting me to come to her room in a full panic it's been out of control that everyone's out to get her and now she's fine I mean everything's great the birds have our birds are singing coffee's flowing Meredith's alive happy to live what what is that um have you not heard of coffee have you not heard about what it's like to you're you're you're crashing out and then you have your morning coffee and you're like you know what it's chill it's chill i'm in greece i'm fine and here we are with bronwyn again being like oh my god meredith spinning out of control totally losing it going crazy you know she just wants coffee what's going on with meredith meredith was losing it last night oh where's the footage show me one bit of footage please show me the text show me the text i'll believe you but also like aren't you aren't you allowed to lose it and like be paranoid and talk about it with your friend and then you go to sleep and you chill out and you wake up the next morning and you feel better are you like not allowed to feel better like isn't there an expression like sleep on it like aren't you allowed to vent to friends like i don't see what's crazy i actually don't doubt that she was like she was losing it you know because the thing is this this cast knows that when it's like the finale dinner they know it's going to be really really hard they're gonna have to be like they're gonna be like fighting on a different level because like that's that's just their new thing they have to do.

23:26So like, yeah, she was freaking out. And I think that's like literally okay. And I think it's also okay to wake up in the morning and feel better. If that was the case, then that, yeah, that would be okay. But I see no evidence of her spinning out at all or freaking out in a full panic. Like, I just don't see it. That's not, there's not evidence in the text that she did that. There's not any evidence in the footage leading up to it that she did that. This is Bronwyn totally using words again to go off on somebody. And then later she'll be like, I never said that. I never said, I never said, I never said you were losing your mind.

23:59No, but she doesn't do that. But I thought at this point she was going to do that. Bronwyn has a history of being like, she was yelling when someone's not like saying that. And the truth is, here's what I imagine happened. Meredith probably like come to my room and she's like, okay, tomorrow's going to be a shit show. I'm just thinking about it. Like, what do I have to deal with? like what did you guys talk about at lunch I know you guys are gonna like no it's gonna come back in my face just like can you give me a heads up I just I just really am not in the mood to deal with this right now can you just just let me know what what what were you guys saying like what what what's what's going on what what is tomorrow gonna look like how do I have to prepare myself which I don't like I imagine it was something like that and Bronwyn was like she was freaking out she was like what's happening what's tomorrow gonna be like what's what she was she wanted to know what's what's happening at lunch what's happening at lunch I just and by the way even if it's at its worst version, the Bronwyn version, I just still don't think there's anything wrong with it.

24:50I just don't see what's wrong with freaking out the night before the finale, knowing that you've already been attacked so many times this season so you know it's going to come out, like it's going to be the boss fight, and you just want to be prepped by someone that you think is a friend. Yeah, agreed. What is shitty is taking an off-camera conversation and then throwing it in somebody's face to get airtime the next day and get cred with the other girls. But that'll happen soon. Spoiler alert! So then Meredith and Whitney or Heather and Whitney are outside. And of course, trying to figure out how they're going to get Meredith.

25:23And I love this because Ron was like, oh, my God, she's freaking out that everyone's trying to come for her. Like, oh, my God, everyone's coming for her. Cut to Heather and Whitney. How are we going to get Meredith? How are we going to get this bitch? So Heather is like, Meredith made me a cappuccino. How women surprises me every day. I'm just learning so much about them. I mean, we're finally going deep, deep cappuccino. And this is actually a dig at Lisa because last night in the sprinter van, Lisa's like, guys, I like deep in my friendships. Like, I want depth and dimension with you. Like, I don't want to get it just from a pine tree.

25:55I want it from my sisters too. Like, we always sit and talk about like, you said this and you said this instead of actually talking about like who we are. And Heather's like, are you yelling at me right now? No, I'm saying it to the group. I'm saying it to the group. I want depth. I want BD. Come on, let's share it, people. So Heather's like I mean have you ever asked Meredith If she knows how to make a cappuccino And Whitney goes But did she make it or did the machine make it I was like oh my god The woman can't even make you a fucking cappuccino Without you trying to come for her What did you ever make Did you ever design one piece of jewelry You fucking Alibaba motherfucker Shut up Whitney I know this is And the thing is it's not like Meredith was going around Saying like here's my special cappuccino No, with my family ingredient, me and my sister would put our hands on the coffee beans and put them in the grinder.

26:47No, she's just like, who wants a cappuccino? I just got my breath really hot, and then I blew bubbles with a straw into the milk until it steamed. Let me tell you something. I want to say, I'm sorry to interrupt you, Ronnie, but now I'm a little fired up, which is to say that standing by that Keurig machine is not nothing. I think anyone who stood by one Keurig machine waiting for their single coffee has been like, oh, my God. Like, I know it's only 30 seconds, but it's probably the longest 30 seconds of your life. You're just watching it, the dribble coming out. And you're like, can you dribble any faster?

27:21And then you watch the white part come out. You're like, oh, and then you think it's done. And it's like, and it spits out some more. And you're like, when is this over? And now she's done that six times. That's actually a good amount of commitment. And I applaud Miss Marks. Yeah. Yeah, so Whitney's like, well, last night was just all around frustrating for me. Well, yeah, because Lisa wants us to go deep, but she's the most shallow of the group. Yeah, we've been begging you to be vulnerable, and we've been begging to crack open your shallow shell of worldliness and materialistic things and be our friend.

27:54Oh, God, yes, you've really been begging Lisa and Meredith to be your friends. Shut up. Who do you think is watching this show? We are watching this show, ma 'am. And Heather's like, just be the hippie you are touching the tree. I feel like I have sliced myself open and bled all over these guys for years. So this whole no one's being real and honest and raw turn like that, judging your eye direction, like that's crazy. Heather's been open and raw about, I think for sure, her story with Mormonism. but it's also kind of like a, it's like a, like, we don't really know much beyond that. If you really think about that.

28:35And we actually, they hinted at it this episode really for the first time, which is like, what's going on with her personal life or dating life, how she like laughs it off or whatever. Like she will tell you about her family trauma and she'll tell you about Mormonism. Um, but it's, other stuff is kind of closed off more than she I think would admit. She doesn't talk about anything personal. That's it. She doesn't. she's talked about the mormonism thing which she's branded so now that's her thing right she's gonna write she'll talk about anything that she can make money off of but then she's not going to talk about anything else we don't know shit about heather not that i'm complaining so um whitney's like uh let's be in the moment with each other and have fun like where did that come from okay so you you don't like them when they're closed off and now you don't like them when they say they want to be open.

29:24You can't win with these two, you know? So then we go to Bronwyn knocking on Mary's door and she comes in with her like nice mommy voice, like mommy who just yelled at you last night but is not going to be nice. She's like, oh, look at you, Mary. Your room's so clean and nice. Mary, hi, Mary. Why does everybody talk to Mary like she's a child? Have you noticed that? It's so weird. Because whenever Mary comes into the room, they're like, hi, Mary, how are you? You slept, look at you. you got yourself dressed this morning well it's because of what we talked about on the last episode which is that because ultimately mary is like a bit like emotionally like there's there's some stunting and there's there's stuff in there that like we've you know mary's gotten this edit as being the sage one of the group and the most emotionally mature and you know she definitely has that in her but like we forget mary mary's a bit kooky and you kind of don't know where what direction she's going to go in any given day.

30:23So I think they just are like, we've kind of figured out the way to deal with Mary and the tones that she likes. So she's like, your room is really nice. What's going on, Mary? It's just funny because they spend the rest of the episode being like, we all have to change how we are around Meredith to not set her off. But then whenever they're around Mary, they're like, oh, hi, Mary. You feel too hot. Here you go, Mary. So yeah, so Brahman comes in with that voice And she's like, um, hi. And Mary goes, yeah, well, she goes, Mary, your room looks so clean and nice. And she's like, yeah, I don't sleep on the covers.

30:57I don't know who slept on those. So Mary just spends the entire vacation sleeping on top of the bed. She is so funny. So Bronwyn's like, she's like, so how'd you sleep? She goes, not good. Remember, it was me and Meredith last night sitting out there talking and you, and you two. And like, everybody was kind of like went to their rooms. and after we went to bed last night, I didn't go to bed. I did not go to bed. She's like, what do you mean? Well, I'm brushing my teeth and I get these texts from Meredith and she says, are you still up? Can I come upstairs? Do you want to come down here? She wants to talk to me.

31:31So I go down there and she was very clear that she feels nervous and that everyone's been talking about her since the plane and she doesn't like what's been said and things have been lies and she specifically said to me, what did you guys talk about at lunch yesterday? I'm like, so. Mary gasps. When is the spitting out full blown panic attack and freak out that she was having and what you just said? I don't get where the where the problem is so far. And also the one who seems to be freaking out is Bronwyn. So Mary's like, I mean, it's two thirty in the morning and you want to know about what we talked about.

32:04It's like, yeah. Yeah. Well, I'd just like to point out that Heather also asked Whitney what happened at that lunch. And it's not a big deal. Why is it a big deal now to ask what happened at the other scene? What did you guys talk about in the other scene? why is this so weird i don't get it and who is bronwyn to be acting like somebody's friend and like stay up to and we see a clip of them talking and they're just like being calm like having a nice calm like in their pajamas conversation and then she said you want to come to my room to like finish our conversation or whatever but what kind of friend is like oh okay i'll come to your room to talk privately off camera oh you're insecure about tomorrow and then the next day wake up and be like oh my god meredith is insecure disgusting can you believe that can you believe her i mean what a shitty fucking person man bronwyn bronwyn is not a trustworthy person i love that bronwyn advocates for the lgbtq plus community i love that she you know plays all her performative cards correctly but bronwyn is an asshole and a terrible friend and the best thing she ever said is at the end of this episode where she's like well i don't like untrustworthy people because i am an untrustworthy person and i was like well at least you're self aware, which is more than I can say for a lot of people, but God damn, you're an asshole.

33:16I thought that was a really good moment. You know, it was, she, um, she's based. So she's like, they're both saying like, this is so weird. And Mary's like, yeah. Cause like, why didn't she ask that when we were all out there before? And Bronwyn's like, yeah. And cause you were at lunch with me. And like, why couldn't you say it to both of us? So I'm like, this is a, like, what is this weird paranoia? She's trying to drum up paranoia. So Mary's going with it because I I think it's like what you said in the last episode. Bronwyn came in with a certain energy, so Mary's kind of matching it. And Mary's like, I mean, well, she thought you were going to tell her like you did.

33:49She goes, yeah, and I didn't. I just kind of danced around it. She goes, Meredith and I have had an increasing problem where I think showing up as a friend for Meredith is telling her things to be helpful to her. And I warned her that there was discussion after the plane ride and how much you drink. And I mentioned it to her that Brittany was throwing up in her room on the yacht trip. And later I heard that she responded as someone thinks you're an alcoholic because they're throwing up on a boat trip and they saw it. And now I'm realizing Meredith is using me and the things that I say to get at the other women.

34:15Well, I'm sorry, but last time I checked, you were the one who took Britney out shopping. And while Britney was being shady, you took all that information and you spun it out to be 10 times more venomous and toxic than what Britney said. And you gave it to all the women. And now you're accusing Meredith of doing the same thing that you already did on camera to Britney. And I think that right now, Now Bronwyn is actually just kind of projecting, you know, because she knows this is exactly what she would do. She's accusing Meredith of act of, of having these ulterior motives because those are the motives that she knows herself that are inside of her.

34:50And she also was the one who was like, oh yeah. And she says that Meredith is, is always having epileptic seizures and all of that to start the fight with her and Meredith. That's right. You know, and this, she came to me. She exaggerated that. Right. I came to this discussion after the plane ride about how much she'd have to drink. Okay. well, you're the one who started the stuff with her and other people. Why are you acting like your hands are clean? And then how is it helping her when you mentioned to her that Brittany was throwing up in her room on the yacht trip? Because she just said, you know, I think I'm showing up as a friend for Meredith by telling her things to be helpful to her, like that Brittany was throwing up on our room on the yacht trip.

35:26How is that helpful to her? And later that was spun as somebody thinks you're an alcoholic. Bronwyn, you spun it as she was an alcoholic. Why else would you be saying, yeah, she's throwing up all the time in our room? Well, Bronwyn, to be fair, Bronwyn said that Meredith approached her and said, I heard that Bronwyn was throwing up. And she said, yeah, she was throwing up. But they all saw, they all, I'm not even saying but to argue with you because I'm not even arguing with you. But she, we all knew that Brittany was throwing up that whole trip. Brittany was wasted that whole trip barfing and then drinking again.

35:58They were all giving her shit at the table. So if they were saying later, like, oh my God, she's been throwing up. And Bronwyn said, oh yeah, I'm her roommate. She's throwing up over and over again in the room. Like she's just adding to the fire and now making it look like other people are throwing her under the bus. No, you were throwing Brittany under the bus. Yeah. Just like you were throwing everybody else under the bus when you went to Meredith the first time. Why are you the only one that gets to hear things and go tell the other ladies? That's the other thing is that like she's really mad that she had a conversation with Meredith.

36:24And then Meredith went and like outed part of that conversation at the group lunch at Valter's. But now here she is doing the same thing back to Meredith. The very next morning. I actually love Bronwyn. I think Bronwyn's great. I think Bronwyn's a great real housewife. I really enjoy her quite a bit, but I do think that she doesn't really realize her role and her hypocritical nature on these things. Maybe she does, because at the end of the episode, she does sort of have an epiphany. But I do feel like she is really blowing this thing up, and she's really throwing Meredith under the bus for something that I think is really benign.

37:04and she's mad it's like she's mad at meredith for coming to her room that's so weird why would you go to somebody else and complain that meredith came to your room it's just bizarre like later she fights with meredith like now she forces a fight with meredith right where she's gonna make it like well i'm gonna fight with meredith so now i'm gonna betray her but before that it's like why are you going to somebody else and talking shit about her and saying wow i have this problem where i think i'm showing up as a friend and then she's like making me look bad you're the one who's doing it like do you not see it's so frustrating it's so fucking frustrating she must be like she makes me crazy she must be reliving the trauma of everything that happened when she was 20 right oh for fuck's sake the people that were the people that were well no i'm not saying that she's relying on that i'm saying that it seems obvious to me that she's reliving that pattern where the people that were supposed to be taking care of her this people people that were supposed to be good to her were not good to her and i think that she's trying to get ahead of it this time like you're not going to get me.

37:59And so what she's doing though, is she's really sabotaging these relationships as a result. Yeah. She's an asshole. So Mary's like, well, it's not right for her to do that. She's wrong. It's not right for her to do what? To go to her room and say she's scared about the next day. So Mary's like, well, we've been friends for years and I've seen her change and she doesn't want to hear anything. And she feels like she's being attacked and she feels paranoid you're literally sitting around talking about her for the fifth day in a row yeah she is being attacked you are all coming for her and she's like when you don't talk and you bottle things up and you shut down like meredith's doing it comes across as she's breaking down and it's very it's very alarming it's very very alarming but at the same time is meredith bottling things up she's she's blown off the handle like 10 different times like if this is bottling it up i i would love to see what letting up the steam is yeah they want her to say that her husband's cheating on her.

38:54It was what they was. If Meredith doesn't come to them and say, Seth is cheating on me and I'm very upset, they're not going to be happy. That's correct. That is correct. So now outside, Meredith is just like, I'm just like balcony or a deck or something. Exhausted from making six cappuccinos and a Keurig. Very slow. So Robin comes up, comes up and joins her. And she's like, Hey, are you working on something? She's like, no, come on up. I'm just chilling out a little bit. She's like, okay, well, I wanted to chat with you, and I want to make sure I'm not reading into something weird. I thought you and I had a little bit of an uncomfortable conversation, and I think I might be overthinking it, but I felt like you were asking me, like, what was said at lunch?

39:39I did not ask you that. Okay, well, you didn't ask me what was said at lunch? No, I did not. You asked me what happened at lunch, and who did you talk about? That is not true at all. It is true, Meredith. It is not true at all. What Bronwyn is failing to realize is that she's falling into a mind with Mark's trap, which is that Meredith, as she says later on, was, I didn't ask. I stated it. Which is, this is where Meredith gets into trouble also. Because she does use semantics against these women all the time. And it's hilarious because we as the viewers know, okay, what Meredith is really saying is I didn't ask it, but I did say it.

40:26And unless you get it exactly right, you don't, you're not going to get it. She's like, Jeopardy, like, could you please be more specific? But it is a difference. If you don't say what is the airplane, you don't get the credit for winning the clue. Right, but there is a difference in intent in asking and saying. If Meredith went to the, if Meredith said, come to my room, what did they say at lunch? What did they, that's different than her coming to the room and saying, you know, I'm just insecure about tomorrow. I mean, there's all this stuff going on. You guys went to lunch. You were probably talking about me.

40:54There's all this shit going. They're constantly coming for me, you know? And then Bronwyn takes that and makes it sound like Meredith is saying, what did they say? Tell me everything that happened at lunch. I mean, those are two different things, you know? So, I mean, look, obviously I'm going to be team Meredith because I think it's just shitty of Bronwyn for somebody to say, I'm feeling really insecure. You know, for all the people saying, and the people in this cast is who I'm talking about, But the people in this cast constantly saying Meredith isn't vulnerable. Meredith never shows her feelings for Meredith to invite somebody to her room and be like, I'm really scared for tomorrow.

41:27I'm really worried that everybody's going to be coming for me. I don't know what to do in this situation. Like, what do I do? Like everybody, I feel like everybody's after me all the time. So for you to have that conversation and open yourself and be vulnerable and then have that person the very next day, wait until there's a camera there and then make the whole thing about, well, you came to my room and you made me extremely uncomfortable when you asked me what happened. i just that's just a shitty shitty thing to do to somebody i think yeah that being said i do think that like meredith marx like sometimes she needs to she needs to work on her soft skills a little bit because her her go-to thing is to be like you know is to have this semantics argument and what happens is that like they wind up arguing about the semantics and then they don't actually get to the core of it.

42:16And maybe that's the point. Maybe she wants to make it an argument about semantics. But like she needs, Meredith needs to work on diffusing people better. She's really not good at it. And what she does is she gives energy that gets them actually more riled up. So she needs to kind of like learn how to be like, oh yeah, you know, I was concerned, but I feel better today now. And I appreciate you coming to talk to me. She needs to take a page for Bronwyn's book actually, which is to say, yeah, you're right. I did do that. That made you uncomfortable? Sorry. I'm so sorry. Because then they move on.

42:48You know, Bronwyn's like admits to anything and then it moves on, you know, and they never talk about it again. But she's like a little bit stuck in lawyer mode. I have a, I have a friend who I play board games with and he's a lawyer. And when we play board games, sometimes he just really gets into lawyer mode. And like he, he does things that just will rub me the wrong way. And he's like, he's like, he'll do moves in the game and he's entitled to do it. but what he doesn't realize is that like on a social level he's driving me nuts and it's like if he just stepped out of lawyer mode in that way he doesn't have to for the game there you know he's playing the game properly but what he's doing is he's he's sort of failing on the social game a little bit and i think meredith doesn't realize that like the legalese and the semantics like she she may win arguments but like she would actually be more successful at getting some of these women off her back if she sort of spoke their language a little bit more and just like gave gave if she sort of bs'd a bit more honestly she just needs to bs more because they speak in bs language you know and and just give them some nuggets and and mollify them and then she can get them off their back yeah i think so in general i think that's true about meredith but in this case I am seeing more Bronwyn lies and Bronwyn misdirects coming out than I do Meredith deflections.

44:11And this is why. So Bronwyn's like, well, I'm gooped. I'm gagged. I just can't believe her. I'm befuddled. She's going to make me look like I'm crazy. This is some fucking foolery. I'm not going to deal with it. So then we come back to them and Bronwyn's like, well, this bumps me out. She goes, well, I don't agree with you and I'm not going to agree to something that didn't happen. And she goes, but you did ask about the lunch. She goes, I didn't ask. And she goes, okay you didn't ask me and she goes okay well you said i'm nervous she says you said i'm nervous about tonight i don't know what's coming and i said well i don't either so bromwin's saying okay you didn't ask me but we still talked about you see bromwin has a way of like flipping things and conversations to make you look like you were doing one thing when you were really doing something else to make you look worse in this conversation and she's doing it on camera and meredith has done this a long time.

44:58And she's also been fucked over by Bronwyn multiple times. I don't know why the hell she would go to Bronwyn with anything, you know, when she knows Bronwyn's not going to have her back. But yeah, so I'm not really believing Bronwyn with this whole thing. I think Bronwyn has decided she needs to do something this season because she's not really in it a lot with the ladies. And she's going to jump on the anti-Meredith train because it's just easier. And she wants to stay with the popular kids and finally be invited to that popular kids table. And if she can get rid of meredith and lisa then she'll be you know she'll be with heather and whitney and she'll be better off so meredith says well i don't know why meredith goes well i don't know why brawin is saying i asked her for information about the lunch because that didn't happen she was very very anxious about the play and i just texted her so i could comfort her and say that if you talked about something that was contentious that's probably what will be there so that she could maybe have some peace of mind having a clue as to what that might be i'm just meredith mark's peace of mind giver everyone knows i just lay your head right here on my chest and let me sooth say to sleep okay i was just trying to be nice and that's it here i just wanted to brush her crazy rich asians just trying to make people feel good about themselves i just wanted to brush her hair tell her what a good girl she's been and if she had anything at lunch she needed to get off because I don't I think Meredith is kind of full of shit here too I mean listen if you're in the room you're talking about being insecure and all that you didn't just say well good luck just yeah I mean that's the thing you were talking to like Meredith is not the most reliable narrator either like let's not fully just like let's let's not fully take the you know like uh whatever the metaphor no look I'm not saying Meredith is completely innocent in every conversation I think she could deal with a lot of this shit better.

46:56But I think this shit with the ladies has been nonstop with Meredith. And I think it's really low when Bronwyn knows this and she goes to Meredith and acts like, oh, I'm going to be here for you off camera. And then comes to flip it right in her face just to start a fight and have something in the seat. I just think it's shitty. And I think Meredith knows exactly what she's doing. And she's not going to give it to her. You know, so while I don't believe that Meredith didn't say anything in that bedroom. I just don't think it's Bronwyn's business to be like trying to throw it in her face today and making her look like a villain.

47:26I just think it's not cool. But yeah, I mean, of course, Meredith is like, let's gossip. Yeah, I mean, like Meredith, Meredith, you know, she's like, oh, I was just trying to be nice. Just trying to like dole out the love. So she goes, OK, well, what is it that you want from me? She goes, well, no, I'm passionate now because I'm really fucking irritated and I'm really fucking hurt, Meredith. I was the lone person standing up for you outside the plane. Even Lisa said stuff about you. And Meredith is like, okay, Bronwyn, thank you for standing up for me. Thank you very much. Well, I feel like you're working me.

48:00And I feel like you've used me. And I feel like what you want, when you want something from me, you think I'm like a pokey little puppy who's just going to like run behind you and like tell you shit. And then you do use it against me. Because I'll tell you what things that I fucking care about you. And I support you deeply. And you fucking used me. And you fucking sold me out. And I don't care who the fuck you're going to use next. Can we just pause in the middle of this? Can we just pause in the middle of this 20-page monologue? First of all, you know, she did betray you in the thing where you had said something.

48:31God, what was it? She had said something about someone and Meredith was like, Bronwyn. That was at the culture's lunch when she was like, well, I have her and now people think that I'm abusing pills. Bronwyn. Because Bronwyn told her that that's what Whitney was saying. Right. But Bronwyn is acting like she was being so supportive. She was not being supportive at that lunch with Whitney. She was like, yeah, sounds like Meredith has a fucking problem. And then she goes to Meredith and she's like, they were saying you had a problem. So how are you going to tell somebody that and expect them not to say it is one thing.

49:03OK, she has the right to say that if you're telling her somebody. But anyway, you are right that she betrayed you on that because she did call you out. But this last one with Britney, she didn't call you out. She purposely didn't call you out. She left you out of it. So why are you acting like she also turned that on you? just because it was obvious it was it was obvious that it must have been you sure but she didn't she didn't call you out i don't know brom was acting like such a victim like meredith is always coming for bromwin and tricking bromwin into doing your it's like the lisa vanderpump thing we're like oh my god lisa vanderpump makes me do things and i'm not gonna be stupid anymore yeah are you really that dumb that somebody is gonna make you do something so she's like you sold me out and i don't know who the who you're gonna use next because there's no one else there's no one else meredith and you asked me for you asked me to come to you off camera well fuck that shit meredith are you lying right now or do you not remember or are you guys sliding the shit out of me because it's one of those options meredith well not of the above brown women i don't like your accusations well you know what i know you said it and that's good enough for me i was a good fucking friend to you.

50:11Well, except for the fact that I just told you how to marry and other people. But good luck with the other bitches because they don't have your fucking back like I did. And I don't either anymore. Fuck it. You like the good fucking friend to me. Exactly. You guys just had your first conversation three episodes ago, I'm pretty sure. Please show me the clips of Bronwyn sticking up for Meredith ever. I've never seen that happen. When did it happen? She's ridiculous and also why is it so bad if merida said what happened at lunch why why is that something to be yelling about right now it's crazy so she gets up and walks away and she's like bullshit ass lies you know like bromwin does when she gets mad for no reason she's like i'm furious now i'm gonna make it the whole episode so merida's like well i'm gonna fucking bill you for some lies because someone's threatening me so now it's time to go everyone's getting dressed to go see the cousin and they get in the sprinter van and um that and just saying how the how the cousin's like super excited to see them and angie's like is meredith here oh you're so quiet i was like are we missing her it's like no i'm being quiet in the corner as per my responsibilities as a legal consultant for this show i am counsel i'm in the corner so when he's like oh come on what's wrong Like I literally don't understand how we go from waking up this morning.

51:37She's really happy to Sarah Puss and miserable. Well, Whitney's making it sound like Meredith is just having a mood swing. She was literally just attacked by Bronwyn. Bronwyn accused her of being like disingenuine. And on top of that, like aired out private conversation that happened off camera, on camera. So Meredith is like, fuck these bitches. And I know that tonight's going to be a shit show and I'm over it. I made them all coffee. And Whitney's acting like, oh, wow. Look at her on drugs having a mood swing. And Angie's like, guys, please have some impulse control in Greece. This is Greece.

52:13And my cousin is so excited to meet you all. Let's make it a positive experience. And Lisa's like, is this what we wear to meet? Is this like cousin meeting attire? Your nipples are showing. She's like, I am out of clothes. I'm out of clothes. So Angie almost falls. down these stairs because of course there's a lot of stairs to this place and she's like oh my god my life keeps flashing before my eyes it's all greek letters i've got to up the life insurance policy at the rate i'm going so then they said they hug michaelis and they're they're have nice lunch and everything and um she said that like her cousin immediately jumped on a ferry to go meet them for lunch as soon as she said she was coming to Greece.

53:00And he starts talking about their grandfather and how he was born in 1890 and talking about the war and how they were affected and everything. And then he left from Crete to go to the United States because there were a lot of jobs and mines and that attracted a lot of Greeks to the region. And so, Angie's like, well, that's great to know all of that stuff about the mines, but you know what? I don't know anything about my mother. You knew my mother, right, cousin? And he's like, mm-hmm. Okay. Well, I asked if he remembered my mom, but you do, right? Because I don't know any stories of my mom. And he's like, mm-hmm.

53:36I knew your mom. I was like, damn. So, okay. Well, cousin's not going to help with any stories about you. Cousin hated your mom. Okay. Just going to put it out there. He has nothing to say. She's like, I would just like one story about my mom. She didn't pay the tab. Last time we went to dinner, I had to pay her tab. Like, come on, man give me something so she talks about how she doesn't have uh any of her dad her mom's stories because her mom passed away so long ago and um he's like uh well i can take you to her town or whatever and she wants to take electra to that side of she wants to electra to see that side because you know electra's only cares about her horse side of the family and so we've got to change that.

54:17Yeah. So after lunch, they get back in the sprinter van and Angie's like, I knew he was just going to be eating you guys up and just loving it. So Meredith is like muttering to Lisa. She's like, well, I don't even know why I'm here. It's not a big deal. I'm like, why am I even here in a sprinter van? I've got a toddler at home that needs to be fed white bean salad. And Heather's like, so Heather starts talking to Bronwyn and she goes, and honestly, I have to say this is where Meredith, this is where Meredith loses me all the time that this attitude of like, well, I guess I'm just not ever going to speak.

54:51It's like, oh my God. Like you need to like have the, the, the energy you start off in the morning where you make people cappuccinos and acting like nothing bothers you. You need to keep that energy. Yeah. She, cause it never works on housewives when someone's like, fine, you're going to be mean to me. I'm just going to be here in the corner. We look out the window. They hate that. they hate you. Most people actually hate that. So then Bronwyn, so Heather meanwhile is, you know, having a conversation with Bronwyn, extra loud, like, are you okay, Bronwyn? What happened? Please speak up for the van.

55:23Bronwyn's like, well, I mean, I'll say it. After we all went to bed last night, Meredith texted me and said she wanted to talk and there was something that was said in the conversation that I feel uncomfortable about and Meredith said it to me, said it to me that's been a lot. For weeks, you know, I felt targeted and lies had been said about me and what did you guys talk about at lunch? And it's like, I again just don't think this is crazy. So Meredith is like, and this is where we have a sticking point because Ron Wynn thinks I was pumping her for information. And I wouldn't have said something if it was the first time.

55:54I wouldn't have. And Heather goes, well, were you pumping her? She's like, no, I was not. I was not. Well, she did. She started to try, in my opinion, to gaslight the fucking shit out of me. And that's the nicest way I can say that. That's the nicest way. I am so tired of this. This is a load of shit. My God. Well, you did ask me questions. You wanted me to tell you about it. No, I didn't. So she's like, and then she said I was lying about that conversation and saying I didn't say that. She goes, well, I didn't ask. I made a statement about the lunch. And Brom was like, well, and I said, I'm not fucking dealing with Miss Mark's Esquire.

56:32I'm trying to deal with a friend. I want to be friends with you. I've stood up for you. at some point sometime. I don't know really when. And I've fucked other relationships for you, which is on me. I've fucked up a relationship with Whitney Rose, the most important relationship someone could have. And that's on me. But how much more do I have to bleed out for you before you stop fucking with me with other people? And I'm exactly fucking right and you're quiet for once without any legalese behind it because you know it's true. Fuck it, Meredith. I was like, damn. So annoying. I mean, I thought it was a really good I may not have agreed with it, but I was like, as monologues go, that was a good one.

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