#3172 Crappy Hour 1/19/26: Girls Trip Cast Announcements and Ben Affleck Denouncements

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2:13Ronnie Karam: Well, hello. It is January 19th, 2026. Welcome to Crabby Hour Live. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben over there. Hello, Ben. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going? Good. How are you doing, baby?

2:30Ben Mandelker: Well, I'm doing great. It's a Monday. It's our first crappy hour in two weeks. I mean, that's how they always are. And I'm just excited. We have a lot of... It's our first and our last one in two weeks. Streaming made. First crappy hour in two weeks. First one in two weeks. and there's so much to talk about. It's just, it's crazy what's happening out there in the world of Bravo. Oh my God, is there breaking news right as we start crappy hour? Is that really happening, Ronnie? Breaking news.

3:05Ronnie Karam: Welcome to the Alexia News Network. Welcome, oh well, you know Peter. Lots has been happening out there. We have an announcement. very sad unexpected announcement Kyle and Amanda have broken up dun dun dun we absolutely can't believe it you know Peter never did anything for that

3:28Ben Mandelker: he's an artist Peter is an artist and so if he breaks up a marriage that's just what he does but that's his art so don't be mad at him I absolutely can't believe it I cannot believe that these two broke up this deep into their marriage. I can't believe it didn't happen sooner. But we are here, and both of them released statements, the same statement on their Instagram stories. Shall we read it? I'm putting it up on the screen. Sure. Ready? Okay.

3:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You start as one of them, and I'll go as the other one after.

4:04Ben Mandelker: Well, after much reflection, Manda and I have mutually and amicably decided to part ways as a couple.

4:12Ronnie Karam: We share this with a heavy heart and kindly ask for your grace and support while we focus on our personal growth and healing.

4:20Ben Mandelker: It feels ironic to ask for privacy during this time since I'm like such a big DJ and I'm like out there like killing the game every night. But since we've also always tried to be open and honest about our relationship, but your kindness and respect will go a long way as we try to navigate our next chapter. Amanda. Kyle.

4:45Ronnie Karam: Marriage should be fun.

4:48Ben Mandelker: Amanda, not fun.

4:50Ronnie Karam: Kyle, too fun. Yeah, not a huge shock that they broke up. This has been rumored for a while. There were, let's see, I read in Dumois. I mean, we've heard these gossip allegations for a little while. Oh, my God, what do I have? Someone wrote Dumois. In regards to the Amanda and Kyle situation, she wasn't at the annual family reunion, his DJ show close to his cousin's surf shop, or his cousin's wedding this year. Oh, my God. I love Amanda didn't come to his DJ show close to his cousin's surf shop. She must be out of here. Kyle's close cousin got married a month ago, and she wasn't even with him at that.

5:31Ronnie Karam: I don't think she's been at any family gathering since the summer of 2024. makes me curious if they just put on an act for the summer 2025 filming of summer housing

5:41Ben Mandelker: you know she just posted a video like a few weeks ago where she's like she made some joke about how we were sleeping in separate beds here's my bed and she was in like a dollhouse or something

5:52Ronnie Karam: remember that yeah that looked like yeah but yeah yeah yeah so she's making jokes about it like

5:58Ben Mandelker: everything's fine everything's fine but now this happens do we think they're gonna pick up the cameras again do we think this is all just fodder for in the city which is the spinoff that there are going to be launching after summer house i don't know but man we've been rooting for those

6:14Ronnie Karam: two to break up since they first made out in the hot tub in season one i said run away from that man i can't wait to see what 23 year old he he gets next you know but good for them both you know when she said kyle when he said oh yeah you want me to support your bikinis but without me i've always wanted to be a dj and she was like go ahead i think that was when she was like bye you know go go start your 4 a.m career and uh let's see how long this lasts so you know i think they'd both just be in a happier situation if they could be more themselves kyle wants to still be a teenager and amanda you know wants to do whatever amanda wants to do bikinis and going to bed early you know which living in new jersey minus the bikinis that's what i like and the living in new jersey part, but I love being in bed.

7:00Ronnie Karam: And I think that you need to find somebody that loves to be in bed. And that's it.

7:04Ben Mandelker: 100%. I think actually, if anything, that Kyle leaning into his DJ best life has, you know, moved him into his midlife crisis. I mean, he was sort of emerging from his up to midlife crisis to his midlife crisis. He's just sort of always in crisis, but now he is in that space. And I think our advice to him was good. You should follow your passion. If you want to DJ, DJ, but also know that that's not going to be compatible with what I want because I did not marry a DJ. And so if they are leaving now, look, I think they could, this is good. You know, they know what they want. This is the clean each other's hands of each other.

7:41Ben Mandelker: And you know, there's no kids don't have to worry about doing too much collateral damage. My prediction is that after the dust settles, Amanda will be with a new guy within a year and like pregnant in, I'm going to say like 18 months to two years. I think it's going to be one of those things where she like, you know, she knows what she wants even more than ever after having gone through the Kyle, you know, mill and she's going to find someone that's exactly what she wants. And then she's going, she's going to have a baby with this person and they're going to go on to like suburban bliss and Kyle will just do what he does.

8:14Ben Mandelker: I think they'll, I think this is actually a really good thing for both of them.

8:17Ronnie Karam: Kyle will do what he does. Youthful people. So what, what, so what was your, prediction now? How long? Let's write it down.

8:26Ben Mandelker: I'm saying Amanda will be on the Lindsay Hubbard route, I think. I think she's going to be with someone very quickly. I think within a year she'll be deep in a relationship. I'm going to say 18 months to two years. There's going to be baby news.

8:43Ronnie Karam: 18 months to two years. I'm going to say probably five because I feel like getting out of a relationship with someone like Kyle, she's probably traumatized and exhausted even if she hasn't been around for a while i think she's probably going to be like i'm tired i don't want to date any guys all guys are stupid they're all gross i'm not going to deal with it maybe four or five years i'm going to give her and then maybe once the show's kind of over and she has a normal life then i think she will but i think it's going to be a while what do you think is going to happen with all the money like is there money is it just lover boy you know money owed or what do you think money owed money spent i have no idea i i don't

9:20Ben Mandelker: know. That's where it could get thorny is that they do actually have a child, which is lover boy. And the question is, how much does she get? Does she get anything at all? I mean, you know, Kyle has definitely put in a huge amount of, you know, blood, sweat and tears, but Amanda has too. Amanda's actually had to suffer from that. And so she's, I think, definitely entitled to getting a nice chunk of that lover boy money. The question is, is she just like, I am so done with the situation i just want to cut ties and move on or is she going to want some of that lover boy

9:53Ronnie Karam: lover boy uh residuals what do you think yeah i don't know i'm reading comments here um jennifer says i think it's her parents that invested in lover boy and uh k cliff is asking did they sign a prenup i don't remember wasn't there some drama about a prenup where's the guy you got a ton of I feel like there was drama about that, but I don't remember.

10:19Ben Mandelker: There probably was. I think there was some sort of story about that. But people are reminding us that, like, yeah, her parents did invest. So, I mean, at the very least, that money will be coming back because the parents are investors. But. What do you mean it's going to be coming back? Well, meaning if they're investors, they're going to get returns.

10:38Ronnie Karam: So there still will be some money. Aren't they in, like, a lot of debt, Loverboy? Wasn't that the plot that they're losing their asses last year? And that's why Kyle was always freaking out at that, at that moment.

10:48Ben Mandelker: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what the situation will be, but I'm sure they could also just sell it off. I guess that his, I guess his goal was to sell it off, right? Make it big enough to sell off.

10:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. They were trying to make a company to sell it, but it never became profitable enough to sell according to them on the show. But I mean, I don't know. I know nothing. I know to stay single people. I know to stay single, but you know what? But good for them both going off to live their best lives. Who gets the dogs? Amanda, I'm sure. I don't like taking those dogs. I'll never be home to walk the dogs. You know, wiggy, wiggy. That's what I say. Wiggy, wiggy. So, you know, good for them both going off to live their best lives and giving us a good first season of the city, I'm sure. It's time for a commercial.

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14:24Ronnie Karam: So what do you want to talk about next?

14:27Ben Mandelker: Well, let's see. What do we have? I'm going to look over here at the big queue because there's always - We've got some good stuff.

14:33Ronnie Karam: There's a lot of really good stuff. The cast for Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Road Trip, trip, trip, car, car, being in a car car, whatever it's called, was announced.

14:47Ben Mandelker: what do you think of the cast let's go over it uh i think the cast is really good i'm gonna bring up the uh the cast right here i think it's a good cast i know some people were upset that's uh what there's no well first the first news that broke a day beforehand was that nene leaks is coming back to bravo on the show and then they reveal the cast and she's actually not like a main cast character she's not like in the bus or whatever and then people were upset because there wasn't like an original like Atlanta cast member on there, but Porsche is on there. I mean, you have like, you have cast representation.

15:21Ben Mandelker: You don't have Dubai or Dallas or DC on here, but that's okay. I think that would be ambitious to expect those things to be on, on here. But the cast is Lisa Barlow, Luanda Lesseps, Porsche, Vicky, Kyle Richards, Teresa, Giselle. I think it's a really good cast. And I think also how mad, as Heather Gay that she is not on the show. How did that happen?

15:48Ronnie Karam: Um, I don't know, but I love that Lisa got it over Heather Gay. I think that's so funny. Giselle was probably, I'm not getting on a bus with fucking Heather Gay. She stole my tequila in Thailand. That's right. Which, by the way, was the best thing that Heather Gay ever did. I think in her entire, you know, she gets a lot of credit for her you know, receipts, prove timeline, which I really need to hear more in my life. But I think that She gets a lot of credit for that. I think the best thing she ever did was stealing Giselle's tequila on Thailand. And it became the mystery of the whole thing. And then it just turned out to be Heather the whole time.

16:24Ronnie Karam: And she regretted nothing. That will forever be Heather's best thing, I think. But yeah, I think that she's probably miserable about it. And that's really funny to me. Lisa got it after all of this. After trying to shoot Lisa down for so many seasons, Lisa ended up getting it over. Heather.

16:41Ben Mandelker: Why do you think Lisa did get it over? Because, I mean, Bravo has, you know, they've often, you know, turned to Heather to be the center of the show. Even when she's not center snowflake, even when she's not in first chair, like people sort of see Heather as the queen bee of that show. But here's Lisa. What do you think Heather?

17:03Ronnie Karam: I think Heather sees herself. Heather's always centering herself on that show. She's always going and starting the fights between everybody and orchestrating everything. thing but it doesn't mean that everybody thinks of her as the center of that show you know maybe the maybe they were like lisa would be funnier around other people because one thing heather has going against her i think people are used to her on salt lake city but when she's annoying she's really annoying on other shows like remember when they guested on below deck years ago she seemed cracked out the whole time with angie harrington and then she did the girls trip and And that was, she was like, oh my God, look, I'm with the big dogs.

17:38Ronnie Karam: Ditch me and all the big dogs.

17:40Ben Mandelker: I mean, what about reality hot seat? That's that, that to me, I almost wonder if reality hot seat was the thing that made the move to Lisa Barlow because Heather was extremely domineering. She was sort of over talking everyone and she was sort of trying to be like super, super funny, but she wasn't actually yes. And anyone and everyone who watched reality hot seat, It was a hot mess. It was like, whoa, Heather Gay. Like, let some other people share the space. And I almost wonder if production's kind of like, yeah, Heather, like, she can do her own show, like Surviving Mormonism. But, like, maybe she doesn't translate well on these spinoff type things.

18:24Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's like a little kid. You know, you have a kid. You love your kid. They're great at home. They're hilarious. But the second you go into a restaurant, everybody wants to murder your child. And I think that that's Heather. So I think this was smart with Lisa because she'll be funny. So just go back to the other, just some comments on the other thing real quick. Kay Paffer says, I think there was something about a prenup. There was something about a penalty if Kyle cheated. So yeah, prenup. Right. And pH balance shorty says, I think there was a prenup because Amanda's dad made them get one, but it was also to protect Amanda.

18:55Ronnie Karam: So she didn't get settled with lover boy debt if they got divorced. Yeah, that sounds right. Sounds about right to me. Okay. so go ahead Ben I was gonna say I also

19:03Ben Mandelker: wonder if by putting Lisa on this show um they just may also realize that this is the sort of chemistry that might be really good Lisa might work with this group and maybe it's kind of like a test you know they put Heather and technically Whitney on on spinoffs but let's see how Lisa deals with other cast cast members of different shows and let's see if she actually is really good with them you know because some people keep on getting the call I mean this is like Luann's like millionth spinoff at this point. They keep going back to Luann because Luann's actually really good at it. She always offers something really good and she gels, she gels with the other women, but she's also very much Luann.

19:40Ben Mandelker: So maybe they're like, let's, let's see what else we can get out of Lisa. And here's something really conspiratorial, which is maybe this gives the network some sort of leverage in, in a negotiation with Heather, where Heather says, you need me, like, look how well I do on this show and this show and this show. now that I can say, well, we had Lisa Barlow on this other show and she did well. So like, that's very conspiratorial, but like, Hey, why not? Like it could be a situation where NBC was like, let's, let's just diversify. Um, you know, let's not put all of our eggs into the, into the Heather gay basket with our spinoffs.

20:16Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah, because she can't go to them and say, Oh, look how well Salt Lake city is doing. Cause it's not really like the ratings are pretty, they had like a series low this past reunion. So it's not doing great. So if she's like, well, I'm the center of the show. And it's like, well, maybe it's time to change that, you know? Another thing we have to look at, if you're looking at evidence, is every person on this cast that has been announced, except Giselle and Kyle, I would say, is at the height of delusion. I mean, they're all crazy. Normally on Girls Trip, you have some crazy and then some normies.

20:48Ronnie Karam: You know, they'll throw in like a Kristen Taichman, you know, some people to kind of even it out. And this one, it is Vicky, cuckoo bird, freaking crazy. And she's in her Trump era. So God knows what's going to, she's like all empowered on that. So you've got her, you've got Luann, obviously. Portia, who's hilarious. I wouldn't say she's all that delusional comparatively. Teresa, nuts. Kyle's normal and boring, but she deserves it. She's been there forever. Giselle, kind of normal. And Lisa Barlow. So there's, it's like heavy, heavy on delusion. And, you know. Yeah. Lisa is playing the role of Ramona.

21:22Ben Mandelker: I think, I think that, I think she's filling the Ramona slot of someone who's going to be like delusional, might get loud, might, might irk people. And Heather would be a little too like, like she'd be like trying to be funny. And that's actually gonna be Portia's role. I think is going to be, or, or Giselle. Giselle is more of the comedian. And I think that Heather will be too try hard and they need kind of a Ramona. There was something obviously that we just omitted. I can't believe we did. And I feel like we're part of the problem now is there's no Miami on here. And, you know, I think Andy or someone said, don't you worry Miami, they're definitely going to Miami.

21:59Ben Mandelker: But I would have liked to have a Miami cast member on here. I would have liked to have an Alexia or a Lisa or, I mean, really anyone from Miami, I think would have been would have been great on here.

22:12Ronnie Karam: I think that they are, I think the whole thing about this is they get into an RV or something like that, and then they just travel all over visiting housewives all over the country. So I'm sure they're going to get tons of people. I think there's like 60 people who are going to be on this. So they're going to get a lot of people in there. Yeah. But you're right. Miami has always been kind of the stepchild, you know, the red stepchild or whatever, which I shouldn't say. That's why I dyed my hair red.

22:36Ben Mandelker: I think they should have had Alexia on this cast. I think there's room for an eighth person. I think they could have done it. It would not have taken away from anything. There's plenty of space in the Sprinter van. So I think that's a miss for Bravo. and I think it's a miss for helping get more eyeballs on Miami. They do always kind of like, they just need to give Miami more love. It's really one of their elite franchises.

23:00Ronnie Karam: Well, one of the best things, oh, sorry, go ahead.

23:02Ben Mandelker: No, I was going to say, but I mean, like you said, they're going to visit like a million housewives and Nini Leakes is going to be part of it, which is crazy.

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26:16Ronnie Karam: Listen, are we all sick of seeing Bethany's clips on everything every day? I see Bethany's clips every day posted somewhere. I don't follow her. Don't do any of that. I see them all over and sometimes they get really sick of it. But not on days like this. so Bethany has a video. She's sitting in a really loud restaurant in a sweater and very dark glasses talking at the top of her lungs in a restaurant, you know, cause she's one of those tick tock assholes who does that, who just like sits alone in a restaurant. I was like, all right, here's what I think, you know? So she was doing that. And she's like, listen, you know what?

26:44Ronnie Karam: I heard the news. I heard the news, you know, Nini's Nini's going to be on girls trip. I just want to say congratulations. That's great for her. I love that. You know, I really mean it. You know, some, some people do things for different reasons. You know, Some people do things for joy or for desperation or they have to pay their rent. Whatever, whatever, whatever the reason it may be. I'm not saying what the reason is. But I've never seen somebody who sued a company for doing wrong things and then the company hires that person. Again, good for them. Good for her. Good for her. Really excited for her.

27:19Ronnie Karam: And I just want to point out that I pitched a show to Matt Anderson at Bravo. Look him up. He's a real person. He's not fake. Don't call me a liar. And I pitched me and Nene on a road trip. Just me and Nene going around to see people. I'm not saying they stole my idea, but you know what? Enjoy the stolen goods. You know what? Ownership is, possession is nine-tenths of the law. Or whatever. She is so Bethany and so bitter. And Bethany, you're not the only one that pitched that show. They were going to come out with a show starring Nene and Kim Zolciak where they were on a road trip together. So stop acting like you came up with some idea.

27:55Ronnie Karam: That idea fell through. huh? Oprah and Gail, Paris and, well, Bethany said that. She's like, oh, and I know road trip's not the most original thing. There was a movie about it, you know? There was...

28:09Ben Mandelker: Let me tell you something. I mean, I think we've said it on... I know that I for sure have said it on this podcast where I said, I think they should do like an amazing race kind of thing, but make it all housewives. You know, when Bethany says like, okay, you know what? I pitched an idea. Me and Nini Leakes, we go on a road trip. And I was like, you know what? They didn't like that idea, but they like the idea of Nini leaks on a road trip. I wonder what the difference is. Oh, because you're not part of it, Bethany, so go take care of your face, Chlamydia, or whatever it is that's going on and let us enjoy this thing.

28:39Ben Mandelker: I mean, for someone who, like, her reckoning has fully, like, just disintegrated and it's just so sad. It's sad to see Bethany like this, just grasping onto her relevance and angry at the thing that left her that she claims sort of, you know, implicitly and yet doing whatever she can to comment on it. Like, it's - I mean, it's hilarious.

29:04Ronnie Karam: I love it. But she's got some of the comments is saying, go back to your face chlamydia, Bethany. That's so funny.

29:12Ben Mandelker: She said that it's not face chlamydia, by the way. She actually issues a statement. She's like, first of all, there's no such thing as face chlamydia. It's not a thing, okay? So for anyone who's concerned, it's just a regular old bacteria. You know what?

29:23Ronnie Karam: I woke up, I got a bacteria infection on vacation. Here it is. Look at it up close. Look at it. Look at it. Look at my bacteria. Bethany, sometimes it's okay to get off of the TikTok. I don't need to see your face bacteria. Stop it. Stop it. There's no one watching TikTok.

29:40Ben Mandelker: You're wasting this energy, Bethany. At this point, just come back to Bravo. Okay, just bury the hatch and come back to Bravo because this is getting exhausting. Either shit or get off the pot. You're either beyond this life, the reality reckoning, Where you are about it. Because guess what? The constant oversharing on TikTok. Is not that different. Than just going on to Bravo. And getting drunk on camera. Where do you want to expose yourself essentially?

30:07Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So I loved it. I thought it was super fun. I'm really excited for Real Housewives. Ultimate Girls Road Trip. Whatever the hell they're calling it. I think it's going to be a huge train wreck. And I'm extremely excited. For the three hour episodes. They're going to put up that. Because you know they are. That's what they do with those girls trip. They're like, here, it's an hour and a half, six times.

30:27Ben Mandelker: It's going to be really good. Now we can splinter off into one of two directions. We can splinter off to talk about Lisa Barlow or splinter off to talk about Giselle. Which direction do you want to go in?

30:41Ronnie Karam: Well, why don't we? Well, you choose. I've been choosing everything. I'll follow you, my love.

30:47Ben Mandelker: Okay. Well, let's just talk about Giselle because that way I can, because I'm about to share my screen. and that way I can not share my screen anymore. But last night on Watch What Happens Live, Giselle and Quad were on. And Quad had, you know, she had a little bit of an axe to grind and she very kindly and sweetly delivered some shade to Giselle. And I'm going to actually just share it. We're going to watch the clip because first of all, just hearing the way these two interact is so wonderful. and also I feel like I'm just going to do it injustice if I try to describe it. You just have to see in here.

31:25Ben Mandelker: Sorry, I can't make Andy any larger here, but you'll just have to look and you will see. Okay.

31:30Ronnie Karam: Oh, so is his mama. I don't hear anything. Are you playing? You don't hear anything? No. Oh, I don't hear it and I need to hear a quad. So please play me whatever quad is saying. I need to hear it with my own two ears.

31:49Ben Mandelker: well unfortunately i guess there's a tech issue it's saying it's saying that's playing the audio but i guess if it's not coming through it's not coming through so instead i will wind up sort of paraphrasing it which is that um quad went on and she was like now i have something to say which is just how you said that we were recycling and reusing and what's that all about because last time i checked our ratings are higher than potomac and salt lake city i'm just mentioning it I'm just mentioning it and Giselle's like uh no I didn't say that Robin said that I never said that she's like no no and there's nothing against you I'm just saying why would you say that because we are actually all original so she basically called out Giselle saying yeah our ratings are better than yours and I don't know why we're getting treated this way I don't know why you're saying that and then Giselle said no it was Robin

32:42Ronnie Karam: our show is better our show has been better for three years running at least ma 'am how dare you what so what was she saying that they were robin and giselle were saying they were recycling uh cast members or what by bringing contessa back or what

32:57Ben Mandelker: well i i'm wondering because then someone of course pulled up the original clip uh and it was actually giselle robin was like oh they're recycling someone or whatever and for the clip that that played it was totally out of context for me but it's i wondered if there were they talking about Phaedra that they're bringing Phaedra in? Cause then Giselle was like, Ooh, it's like they're recycling. Cause I'm sorry. Robin was the one who was talking about casting and Giselle was the one who said recycling. And so now people are like, Oh look, that's classic Giselle. She, she threw Robin under the bus, but it was Giselle who said it all along.

33:32Ben Mandelker: So, um, Oh, Michael Horn. We love Michael Horn says Robin and Giselle were saying they were recycling people from love and hip-hop so that's what it was and so quad was like whoa we have better we have better ratings um so that was hilarious also by the way i think that uh giselle accidentally outed that robin will be part of this road trip thing fyi for anyone who's getting really excited

33:56Ronnie Karam: geez in case anybody wanted a speed bump on the road trip here comes rob and load her up what are going to bring Emily to you it'll save us a voice talk about recycling seriously how dare you

34:09Ben Mandelker: of course Emily will be you know Emily and Gina will be there though I'm surprised they didn't put Emily and Gina in this bus because like the worst seasons they have the more bravos

34:17Ronnie Karam: seems to put them in front of our faces yeah well something else happened I saw another clip I didn't see this one and I really wish I had seen the one that you were talking about because that's amazing but I saw Giselle and Quad talking and Giselle was going off on Angel and she's like, well, that's not my, you know, her husband says that I want her life. I don't want that life. I've seen her life and who would want that? And Quad's like, well, why would you say that? I mean, she has a lovely life. She's like, well, I don't want her husband. You want, what do you want? You know, she's like getting like that.

34:50Ronnie Karam: And Quad's like, no, you're being too hard on the girl. She's like, no, I'm not. I'm not being too hard on the girl. You watch the show? She's like, yes, and I met them at BravoCon, and they were lovely people, lovely people. How could you be so hard? And Giselle got really perturbed with her and was like, how dare you? And it makes sense that she was already getting annoyed with Quad because I was like, oh, why is Giselle so perturbed with Quad? But it was pretty funny. I love seeing anybody stand up to Giselle, and especially Quad. And I love that Quad told her, yeah, our show's doing better than yours.

35:25Ronnie Karam: So pipe down, ma 'am. So I love that she came on there because married to medicine is very second fiddle, I think. And just because it doesn't have a real housewives name, I think that it doesn't get the respect. It doesn't it doesn't get the kind of fan reactions that Potomac does. But it's a lot of times a much better show. So I'm glad to see quad up there confidently standing up for somebody, even if it's Angel and kind of kicking Giselle's ass with it. It was nice to see you go quad.

35:53Ben Mandelker: yeah what was funny was that quad when quad was talking to giselle they were both smiling and they were holding each other's hand she's like no no no this isn't a read it's just i'm just saying and then you know just i was like oh well that's interesting oh really oh oh giselle didn't really know what to say but quad just sort of very sweetly and lovely was basically like we're the bigger show why are we not getting more respect from you giselle and from you andy and from the network at large. So I don't know. I mean, I think I'm really enjoying this season of Married to Medicine. I have been a little up and down on past season, the past like four or five years, I feel like it usually starts strong and then kind of like it's this rut of like stories about children and marriages that are like shaky and the guys all sit and have scars and Dr.

36:43Ben Mandelker: Jackie has like a sex toy party and it sort of like hits a rut for me. But I feel like this season, I'm just like really loving the entire cast chemistry a lot. So I'm, I'm so happy to be back fully invested in the show again, especially because everyone keeps saying it's like, oh, this is the best show on Bravo and no one talks about it.

36:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah, I feel like it's one of those that just can keep doing the same thing over and over and I will start laughing every time. I mean, last night, the episode was Quad and Heavenly and Simone all fighting with each other, you know, like back and forth, which we've seen now. How long has it been on? 12 years? I mean, it's been on a long, long time and they are still doing the same thing. And I was just laughing my ass off. Like they're coming at each other, having to hold them back. It's like, how dare you look up my VIN number? Why do you need to look up my... Then Simone's like, I do not care about your VIN number.

37:35Ronnie Karam: I only care about your property taxes.

37:39Ben Mandelker: Dying. I mean, I have to say, it was hilarious. And I have to say for a show that has in the past, in my estimation, the past four or five years become very, very repetitive. the truth is there's so much lore on Married to Medicine when we do the recaps I'm always surprised at the random references both of us like go back to like oh and then like that was the time that's like the time they sat there and had like a party outside after a quad was shooting the sister circle and they didn't like what you're doing sister circle or like there's so there's actually so much that like it has as deep a lore as any real housewives show and I'm kind of excited I love the fact that like I kind of tuned out a little bit the past three, four years, you know, I checked in a little bit, but like there's still, the lore is just still luring.

38:24Ben Mandelker: There's still so much stuff. And I, I, I love the newbies this season. I think Mimi and Brandy are great. I think Angel's like a very solid supporting. So, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm really all, I'm, I'm feeling at, I've not felt this excited about marriage medicine in years when the show came out originally i loved it i was telling everyone anyone i saw i was like you gotta watch the show gotta watch the show but i sort of start i cooled off over the years so i guess i'm just saying congrats to me right i did some you know like i stuck through it and now look where i am look at me you didn't like i watched

38:58Ronnie Karam: like a couple episodes i kind of checked in on it like i really stuck in but maybe that's the best way to do it you know just to come back and see that it's still really good yeah well i'm i

39:09Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I mean, it's nice to see that the show can be strong in a 12th year or whatever.

39:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah, still going strong. And I'm glad that they demoted Heavenly, which I was not happy about. But she's still there as a main character, basically. You know, she's still there. I mean, we got to see Heavenly do her campaign thing, her campaign stumping in a parking lot today. I mean, come on. It's so good. And still like trying to fight with Toya while she's giving a speech. You know, I mean, come on. No one beats Heavenly in my book. So other things that are going on. Small news, you know, maybe, but satisfying all the same. It looks like Tom and Ariana finally settled whatever they needed to settle with their house, which is good.

39:55Ronnie Karam: So they can stop going to court. God, could you imagine just having to still talk to Tom about moving out of that goddamn house in the valley? Get out. Just go. So congrats to those two crazy kids. And exclusive members only Palm Beach stars react to Bethany Frankel calling new Netflix cast at the Walmart Birkins.

40:19Ben Mandelker: Well, that's not a nice thing to say about someone's face.

40:26Ronnie Karam: So you've watched the first couple episodes of that one, huh?

40:29Ben Mandelker: I love it. I love it so much. That's my next. So I finished Heated Rivalry. Now I'm watching I Love LA. And then after that, it's going to be members only. But maybe I'll actually do members only. I watched the first episode. Maybe I'll do members only and then do I Love LA. Because I think members only is just so great. It's exactly what I want. Bravo should have done it. And I was thinking last night when I was heading to JFK yesterday, flying back from New York. And I was like, it's time for Bravo to make another stab at Long Island. Not Summer House, Long Island. Like Nassau County. You know, we had Princesses, Long Island.

41:07Ben Mandelker: We also had Secrets and Wives. I think we are due for a Real Housewives of like Great Neck or Nassau County or whatever. I think that would give us some of the vibes of members only Palm Beach because I think that Bravo missed the boat on Palm Beach. I think Bravo was too scared that it was going to be very Mar-a-Lago focused and that the audience would be really turned off by that. We don't want to support people who want to go to Mar-a-Lago and all that stuff. But I think the truth is the show is like, it's kind of like that first episode. I was like, this is so me. It's so me. And I think that you can probably get similar vibes in Nassau County.

41:48Ronnie Karam: Oh my God. There are monsters on that show. Monsters. Monsters. It's like watching Jimmy Dean sausages burning an air fryer with bad words on. And I loved, I was dying laughing. Like, do I want to be friends with them? No, they're horrifying people. And the whole the whole I've just never seen anything like that where the whole community, they're dressed so crazy. They all look terrible. And all they do is talk about how terrible the other people look. And like this girl's not ready for Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. You got to look good. I'm like, you're wearing a curtain. You look crazy. You all look crazy.

42:21Ronnie Karam: Your wigs are terrible. Your face, whatever you're doing to your face is. It's not like you're ugly. It's not that. It's like the actual work they're getting is just so insane. Like, why are you putting a life raft on your face? what are you doing i mean i was cringing i was and i was going back i watch the first two as well because i thought you know what what if we have a chance to recap this i don't want to watch it all but um i watched the first two episodes and it was on the same screen on netflix you know how they auto play the previews it was the one of the ladies going oh my god your teeth your teeth are beautiful and i just panned right next door and it was a stranger things monster like and it actually makes sense you know because it was it was horrifying and it was so funny to see them paired together on netflix like that because it's it's terrifying and the the main chick is like best friends with jill zarin or something and she looks like jill hillary with one l she looks like jill she has the same kind of dead eyes you know how jill is very animated in the face and stuff but her eyes are just always looking ahead they're not really looking at who's talking they're thinking about something else this lady has the exact same thing she wears like a cape like you were talking about this earlier in the week on salt lake city she wears kind of capes and she walks like she's always about to fall down like i don't know she's drunk or but she's

43:47Ben Mandelker: always about to trip and she looks like she is like staving off narcolepsy like did we was it did I talk about how, when she sat down with Romina, like, uh, was it here on crap? Cause I don't want to repeat myself, but Romina sits down. Cause Romina in the first episode is torn between Hillary and this other lady. And you know, they're both like the alphas and they're vying for Romina and Romina is prattling on. And Hillary is so bored. And she sits there and her head is like, like nodding like this. She's like nodding as if she's sitting like agreeing, but you can see she's actually just about to fall asleep.

44:20Ben Mandelker: But she's also, you see her eyes. She's like, oh, this could be my next pawn. That'll be great. All right. Yes. And I just loved like the scheming, but also nodding off to sleep at the same time while wearing like a cape thing on her shoulders.

44:35Ronnie Karam: It's crazy. And the whole the whole community thing of like, we got to get into Mar-a-Lago. Like, that's all they talk about. That's all they care about. To me, that's bizarre. Like, I just can't believe there's a whole world that's like that. Miss CC7 is saying, why do we need to platform bigots and racists? listen for me it's not platforming it it's watching what's out there and laughing at these people because what else are you gonna do i mean it's crazy like i'm not saying they're great i'm saying they're terrible they're horrible fucking people i'm not sitting there watching it like oh my god these people are great i'm watching it like these this whole thing needs to burn down you know but what can i tell you i've never seen anything like that i kind of am like when we when

45:16Ben Mandelker: When we get into the discussion about platforming, you know, people who are like MAGA and want to go to Mar-a-Lago or whatever. When we, like I find I'm sort of at a place where I'm like, oh no, we can't give these people platforms. Because I feel like that is how I feel. And yet at the same time, I'm like, the one who loses out is me. Like these are hilarious shows of awful people. That's Real Housewives is always about awful people. And the whole point of the show was you sit there and you say, how do these people function in the real world? how do these people they are so they live such sheltered bubbled lives how in the world could they ever exist and so like yeah i don't want to give these people i don't want to give tumbles what's her name dj tumbles i don't want to give her a platform but then where did she come from i'm the one who gets hurt because i don't have something really funny to watch as a result And then I've got to go watch the Roni reboot instead.

46:10Ben Mandelker: Like, no, thank you. I want my entertainment.

46:16Ronnie Karam: I think the Roni reboot is kind of a perfect example of what happens when the network listens to the audience and says, stop platforming terrible people. We get a show about mostly agreeable people, like politically or lifestyle wise or whatever. And then we're just bored to death. You know, I'd rather just be annoyed with crazy people. I don't understand. I mean, Ramona, I never understood her. I still don't understand. I don't get anything about her, how she got, how she functions as a human being. I don't know how, honestly. Like, how does she just not get run over 10 times a week by angry people?

46:50Ronnie Karam: But she's funny to watch, you know. You've got to separate. Sometimes you've got to separate morals from Housewives watching. And this one is absolutely insane. We've seen a lot of Housewives ripoff shows, but I've never seen one that really focuses on such a unique group of people that I have nothing to do with and want nothing to do. It's just such a different world to me that I watch it. Like what DJ tumbles. How does that even happen?

47:18Ben Mandelker: Where are you DJing? And if someone said, I am not going to watch that show because I do not want to support these women who the only thing they care about is if they can get into Mar-a-Lago, I will a hundred percent support you. I think like a hundred percent don't watch it. if this is like a bridge too far for you, but I'm just sort of at a place where sometimes I'm just like, I'm like, this show is making me laugh. I don't think whether or not they have a show, I don't, I don't know if it's going to make a material difference in their lives, but it will make more of a material difference in my life.

47:46Ben Mandelker: So yeah. And I agree with a lot of these comments that are saying,

47:51Ronnie Karam: like Carrie is saying, it doesn't make me laugh. It just makes me sad, agree to disagree. And yes, I think that that's fair. You know, I'm not telling anybody they're wrong if they don't want to watch it or for taking a, you know, drawing a line in the sand. God knows we do it, you know, all the time. So, you know, you've got to have, you've got to have that line for yourself. For me, it's just like watching, it's like watching a circus. It's like watching animals in a zoo. I don't get it, but.

48:19Ben Mandelker: It's like if Michael Myers decided to retire and move to Palm Beach, he's like, you know what? I'm sick of killing people. I'm moving to Palm Beach, get me a caftan and see if I can get into Mar-a-Lago because they all kind of look like him, right? And I just, I don't know, I need to be able to make fun of awful people. It's just not as fun to make fun of good people. I'm really sorry that I cannot have a better justification than that, but that's just where I'm at right now.

48:48Ronnie Karam: Well, it looks like we've got time for another. What are you looking at now?

48:52Ben Mandelker: Let's talk about the other thing that people were talking about a lot. Well, one thing real quickly, Luanne's daughter is now a medium. So if anyone is interested in staging their house or communicating with the other side, you know, have Luanne's daughter, Victoria, can help you out. So that's fun. Another thing, speaking of new Roni, Jenna went on to a podcast, explained why she left. And, you know, basically what she boiled it down to was like, you know what? Everyone was like 20 years younger than me. Everyone was having newborns. I have a kid in college. I'm just in a different place. Their careers, they're still hustling.

49:30Ben Mandelker: My career is, you know, I'm rich. She basically is like, I have no connection to these people. And, and then she said, well, season two, I was more like connected. So I liked it. And then they brought on Raquel and whatever. But I think it also speaks to the failure of that show of that reboot that they put on someone like Jenna Lyons because she's Jenna Lyons and she has no inherent organic connection to anyone else on that show. and we're supposed to just watch it with the same adoration and love that we do all the other ones it just like it really just is another example of why that reboot did so badly so if you want to check out that one that podcast go check that out because you know Jenna's always interesting but the thing that I really want to get to here that people have been talking about is that someone asked Ben Affleck if he knows who Lisa Barlow is and it was on Access Hollywood they asked Ben and he's like ah because you know just got finished with Jen Affleck and now it's Lisa Barlow.

50:25Ben Mandelker: And he's like, look, this is really hard. I don't want to get the lady in trouble. We go to these parties. There are a lot of people there. And Matt Damon was there too. And they're both kind of, Ben's trying to be the nice guy and be like, I don't know. I mean, maybe I met her, but like, I don't know. There's so many people. There's so many people. There's so many. How about these apples, huh? And basically he has no recollection of who Lisa Barlow is.

50:50Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Ben Affleck, you know that meme that's just Ben Affleck standing outside smoking a cigarette going like like looking miserable. He just looks miserable. That's how he looked in the whole interview. That's just how he looks now. He's just really like what the fuck? Why are you talking to me? What are we doing? Do we even make another movie? Was I awake for this movie? What is this movie? Is it Al? Is it in a theater? What's Netflix? What is that? I know. I haven't been to Salt Lake City in like 12 years. Like, I don't fucking know. She's like, yeah, but Lisa Barlow from The Housewives. He's like, yeah, I do not know.

51:26Ronnie Karam: Matt Damon's trying to help him. He's like, well, you know, maybe with South by Southwest. He's like, no, I mean, I don't fucking know who this person is, you know. But Lisa Barlow is so cray cray that in her own mind, she's like, oh, my God. Ben Affleck was talking about me in the news. So I'm sorry. You guys have like such a low life. but like Ben Affleck was totally talking about me in the news today. What was your day like Heather? Who talked about you today? No one. That's right. Okay. Some upset Mormons in long underwear. Sorry. Sorry. They don't have names. Sorry.

51:57Ben Mandelker: And then of course she responded and she was like, it was the accountant too. Love the movie. Heart, heart, heart. She's like, I have receipts of when I was 12 years old and met you in some alley

52:12Ronnie Karam: somewhere or whatever. Let me post a picture. He's like,

52:15Ben Mandelker: cause I think they showed him a picture. If I remember correctly, they showed Ben Affleck a picture of Lisa. He's like, I don't know. She seems like a nice lady. He's like, damn it. I might have to do a Dunkin Donuts commercial with her now for the Superbowl, which would be amazing by the way. But yeah. So basically Lisa's prolonging her Ben Affleck moment. So that was the other big thing that people were talking about the past few days. Oh, and one other thing I want to circle back to Jen, Jen, Jennifer Lyons, she said jennifer lions jenna lions i mean uh she said that one of the reasons why she left also is that she found out that the new girls would be even younger than the ones that were already on the show and she was like yeah this isn't for me anymore and to me that's got me very panicked that we're actually going younger i mean i feel like that was the death knell of the reboot is that they tried to go young and hip and cool and i'm just so worried that they're just gonna have a bunch of 35, 36 year olds on Rony who were like, oh my God, I've got a baby and I love fashion.

53:16Ben Mandelker: And oh my God, I die for this restaurant. And I'm just so worried that they're going to turn it into the East Coast version of what Beverly Hills is right now.

53:26Ronnie Karam: Well, I don't waste time worrying about New York because it's what's done is done and there's nothing I can do. I'm going to have to show up when it's back and go into it with a new fresh view on it. I will say I saw a pit because they just started shooting, I guess. And so they showed a picture. They had like a thing with pictures of all the cast. And I will say two out of three of the new ladies look crazy. They have crazy faces. That's good. And that was good to see. Yeah. I don't know who they are, anything about them, but I do know they have fucking crazy faces. So that's all I need. That's enough promise to me.

54:00Ronnie Karam: It looks like somebody over there is making an effort. I mean, I don't care. That would be good. And also Jenna's older. She's like my age. So she's probably like, they're all young. You know, like you go out and you're like, oh, God, everyone's 20. I'm 45. I'm like, you're a child. Get out.

54:13Ben Mandelker: Michael Horn has a great point. He says, wait, if they're going to be younger, then maybe Ramona is returning. You look old, widely young, okay?

54:23Ronnie Karam: All right, everybody. That brings us to the end of the audio portion of this. We will be moving to video chat with you all to take your questions and comments. But for everybody who is on audio, thank you so much for being here. and we will talk to you in a couple of weeks. Bye.

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