#3183 RHOP S10E16 Part One: Rocky Roads

0:21Hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today on our birthday well actually a day late but still our birthday episode. It's Ronnie Karam. Hi Ronnie. How's it going? Well hello. Happy birthday Ben. Thank you. Our podcast just got shoved into a locker because it's 14 years old and it's now a freshman in high school so you felt a little jostling. That was us trying to get out of the locker. we did it next year we can get our driver's license in new mexico what people don't realize is that this podcast totally has a crush on a podcast that's three years older than it and is the quarterback so you know we're just hoping that he does anything with us he's a creep we just hope he invites us to the prom and we can take off our glasses and walk down the staircase and be so hot but oh i don't know freshman yeah crap happens we did it i can't believe it and you know i'm such a dummy i this is the only way this is the only thing i keep track of and it's because you tell me because i wouldn't know i thought i was a year older for like three years i thought i was older than i was you remember and then i figured out how old i was and i just realized my dog bueller is not 13 he is 14 he's turning 15 this year and i only knew because i had to get pictures for our anniversary so i had to scroll back on facebook and saw that i had bueller in 2011 which is crazy i got him in october of 2011 which means he's going to turn 15 this year is that old bastard that old bastard wow that's that is that and that's like a that's a big difference wow wow bueller our senior citizen dog bueller Is he back behind you?

2:15No, he's on the floor. He won't sit on these chairs because they're swivel chairs. So when I'm in Los Angeles, there's no Bueller on camera because he's not going to get on the swivel chair. There's no way in hell. Because they swivel when he's trying to get up there. Yeah, and it freaks him out. He gets very scared. Poor thing. He's at my feet. But anyway, it's neither here nor there. It's neither here nor is it there. By the way, you know what tomorrow is? what tomorrow is one month until the crappies February 27th. I know. Guess what? The ballots going to come out next week. Everyone, uh, general voting.

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4:47Bonus episodes are traders right now. Those come out at the end of the week. Yes, we did a traders bonus on Friday and had, I was fired up as usual. Okay, but today we're talking about Potomac season finale, although I guess it's season finale part one, because heading into the episode last week, they were like, next week on the season finale. But then at the end of this episode, it was like, next week on the season finale because next week is like a season. It's an even more seasoned finale because next week is the Karen Huger episode. Karen Huger, the interview with Andy Cohen, the very deep sit down with Karen Huger.

5:28I think every sit down should require Kim Richards to be there because Kim Richards was the first Andy sit down that he ever had, where he's like, well, talk about you being an alcoholic, Kim, so you got arrested at a Target. And she's like, you know, that whole thing. And I really think that Kim should always be there, kind of like the Ed McMahon. Wait, was the Kim sit down before the Joe, the Teresa and Joe sit down? I think so, because Kim, well, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. That may have been a Watch What Happens live exclusive as opposed to a Kim Richards, like in soft filter lighting, you know which is what karen's getting you know but yeah maybe i don't remember which was first can i say i loved the season finale is that crazy did you like it like what did you think about amazing i thought it was very funny it was definitely really fun to watch but god what a sad season finale what a pathetic ending to the season i mean angel geez did i feel bad for angel I wanted to.

6:30I felt like I should feel bad for Angel. But I just, I was like, oh, man. I've been, you know, I wouldn't say rooting for you. I haven't been rooting for you. But I've been feeling bad for you. And I feel like when I give my pity to somebody, that's a form of rooting. And I've given you my pity and you just failed miserably. I mean, fly fishing, fly fishing. We knew that she was going to try fly fishing. But why would you do that? And what kind of fly fishing aficionado is going to take your ass fly fishing two hours before you have to be at an airport? That's not going to work. I don't know what was happening here.

7:07Now, I have to imagine that the women moved their flights up after Giselle took over the trip. I can't imagine that this was the original timing for the flights, especially because if you think about it, the trip was like two and a half days long. that's really short I feel like normally when they go on their big trip it's like four or five days so um I feel like they moved all their flights up but yeah the logistics of this all were crazy I was stressed out from the beginning when they said they're going to have brunch at the hotel go fly fishing and then have an open fire lunch and then go to the airport and the the fishing and the fire pit and all that stuff is like an hour and a half away i was like how is this going to happen all before 2 p.m or 2 30 and of course it didn't because it's literally impossible to do all those things before going to the airport but so they're trying to have a season finale they're trying to have some fights they have no fights really to last the season the fights are sad and then they have to do it in the cars so they have and it's not even like sprinter vans where they get to like you know see each other it's like some are in the front seat some are in the back seat they're trying to have these fights the fights are stupid it was just it was just a mess they had to eat at the rest stop i mean it was all terrible and you know even though i wasn't rooting for uh angel in general i was rooting for her against giselle because even though giselle's not completely wrong giselle's just such a jerk and i was really hoping that angel could pull off something nice for the ending and she just she got lost i mean she got lost she dropped she went to a pin that someone dropped i mean it was not good angel it was not good now i don't know if you've seen online but angel is saying somewhere of course i read it in comments but um that production was the one who picked that airbnb in the first place and it wasn't even her fault and then i don't even want to hear it at this point angel i don't want to hear it yeah i don't know it's just it's just a disaster but also like a pin gets dropped and you don't look at the map beforehand and say okay well that route looks doesn't look quite right or like also why do you not have an address i mean google maps it's pretty comprehensive like you're you're really not having to drop pins these days.

9:35Usually there's, you can, you can look it up. I almost want to know where that watering hole was. I mean, look, the chef got there, her head of staff got there. How come Angel couldn't get there? What directions did they have that Angel didn't get? That's what doesn't make sense to me. There was clearly some way to get there. And why wasn't her head of staff saying this is where we are? I don't know what went, went awry, but I thought this episode was so hilarious and stressful and crazy and existential it was like they were wandering they're just but in cars they're just driving around and they had this ticking clock and you see this map and they're just sort of like going in nowhere in circles they're not they're like isolated they're fighting and it was to me it was like i was enthralled by this i was like what are they going to get to the campsite are they not gonna get there are they gonna meet their get their flights in fact i was rather disappointed that we didn't see if any of them made their flights or not i guess they all made their flights because if they didn't it would probably be something else that'd be added on to it but you know i don't know if we've ever seen a finale like this normally they end with a party or some sort of set piece or glamorous who knows what but this was just a season farting out into the wind it really was it really was it's time for a commercial it's time for a crappin's commercial all right let's get going with this so we start where we're on day two of the trip and they are still at kimosabi which also is another ridiculous thing i mean you're gonna you're bringing all these people to see your business see your house you barely go to your house everyone's rude to them at the house and then you make them go on a plane to go to a store because you saw it on beverly hills like come on not because you saw I mean, I know that Kimo Sabe is like a lot of people love to go there, but it's like you don't need to go.

11:28You don't need to take a whole day trip to go to a Kimo Sabe. That's just sad. That's sad. It's like a tourist destination. Yeah. So Giselle has just said that they're going to Four Seasons and Angel's like, but we're going to go fly fishing tomorrow. And Giselle's like, we're going to go home tomorrow. She's like, no, we're going to go fly fishing. And so there's this music that's playing like, ooh, it's a standoff, like Billy the Kid. And he's like, ooh, is this a standoff? I hear the music that they're playing in post-production already. And now she's like, are we going to take a vote? Like, what's going to happen?

11:58And Angel's like, let me be clear. This is not her trip. She can't do this. So they're like, oh, okay. Like, what? Are we voting? Like, what's happening here? Yeah. So Tia's like, brunch or what? And Angel says, now, listen, I've set up a beautiful day with some beautiful guides on a beautiful body of water. And beautiful Google Maps is going to make sure that beautiful people show up at the beautiful place with the beautiful. Just stop. Just you're not selling it. You need to learn other words than beautiful. And she's like, we're going to go fly fishing and then we're going to have an open fire lunch.

12:29Both of those things sound disgusting. Fly fishing is disgusting. And so is an open fire lunch. Get a microwave. Get a pan. I don't want to eat off some open fire. And then the guy drops the meat into the fire. So you guys would have had a wood chippy lunch because his ass dropped your food into the fire too. I thought the steak looked really good, to be honest. Encrusted in dirt. look, I, uh, I'm, I'm down for the, I'm down for the open fire lunch. I'm not a fisherman. I think if I were on a show though, I would do the fly fishing, but here's what I don't want to do. One, if not two of those activities before I get on a plane, I don't want to get on a plane smelling like a campfire.

13:12I am not Tom Schwartz. Okay. I do not go bathing in rivers before events where around other people. Okay, so like do the fly fishing, do the open pit fire, let me go back to the hotel, let me shower, and like I'm getting on the plane the next day. But like, what? You're going to, I have to like, I have to be in the middle of a smoky campsite before I get onto a flight and fly across the country. Absolutely. And I'm a real housewife. Who's supposed to be glamorous? Absolutely not. I just tore my headphones off. I'm so mad right now. I can't even hear you. My headphones are off my ears. this is a daytime event it's a day long event it's an event you go to and then you go relax for a while and take a shower and like have a nice light dinner or whatever so what it probably was originally before that's why i suspect the flights were moved up but even if they were this is like a day this is like your kemosabe day this should have been the kemosabe day this should have been day one yeah if anything they should have gone to kemosabe and then gone to an airport there, you know, if there even is one there.

14:14I'm not rich enough to know. So Giselle's like, well, I'm not outdoorsy, but we will be brunching in the morning, and then we'll be packing our things and packing at the hotel and then getting on the flight and going home. And Kieran is like, oh, please, Giselle, sit down. We're not doing that. And Angel says, okay, well, so you're going to have hotel food. Okay, well, you can go with the itinerary if you want hotel food instead of somebody cooking out over a campfire. I know angels trying to be like, oh, how boring, how pedestrian. This is the Four Seasons. This is not the house serving their powdery eggs that are made from a mix.

14:55It's going to be quite good food. And I know that the health department has been there and they have put a letter grade for me to know how clean that place is. You know what's not clean? Campfires.

15:10at least I won't smell like smoke after I have my eggs benedict at the four seasons okay um so but angel's trying to do this thing because angel it's so funny too because angel has she threw she peppers in this language all the time and especially on this trip to sort of make it seem like what she's doing is very luxe like um one of those guys that she introduced him to she's like this he's a very high net worth guy and later on she says well this watering hole is a very exclusive watering hole. I mean, she's always throwing in these words. So then when it comes to actual something from the Four Seasons, suddenly she's like, oh, hotel food.

15:48Enjoy. Enjoy your box of Honey Smacks.

15:55So Wendy's like, well, is there a world where we can brunch in community with each other and then we could fly fish in community? I love community. I'm glad you do because you're about to get a lot of it. Yeah. and Giselle's like well the question is are you spending the night and Angel's like yeah sure can I sleep in your bed she's like no to bring up and not to bring up anything bad but like do you want to call Bobby and check to make sure that's okay and then Angel out of nowhere goes don't worry about that that's my man don't worry and everyone's like whoa whoa whoa suddenly Angel's like casual like don't worry about Bobby when all season long she's been checking on Bobby and of course we then basically oh no I thought it was her saying like oh well maybe because that's my man so maybe i will check oh what's wrong with that yeah she's like what's wrong with checking in with him he's my man and jazelle's like i am so sick of hearing bobby bobby bobby bobby bobby bobby bobby bobby bobby bobby too much too much too much so stacy's like i'm just wondering if we did the fly fishing will we have enough time to change to make our flight and be comfortable the only one with some sense in this group the Angel's like, yeah.

17:04Yes. I mean, there's a nice cabin. It has nice bathrooms, good accommodations. Does not exist on Google Maps. So if you want to go there, you just have to drop a pin in the middle of Colorado and hope you got to the right place. And Giselle's not going to make it easy. She's like, how many bathrooms? It's a good question because, like, it could be the nicest cabin in the world. But if there's one bathroom and you've got, like, seven ladies who have to shower and then make themselves presentable in case their picture gets taken at the airport, you know, they're going to take some time in that bathroom.

17:32and will there be running water because that has been an issue will the toilets work and the sinks will there be doors and walls and a roof at this point there's standards they're like we just have to double check everything this is the role that I was actually born for making sure that all the ladies are happy yes that's what when I think of Giselle Bryant I think happy maker someone who just makes everyone around her happy at all times joy spreader watch out a sunflower has entered the villa so angel is angel is like okay it's fine everything's gonna be good it's gonna be good and so she goes uh she's like ladies let's just gather things and make our way back to the pj so they are gonna head back to the airplane and start what they think is gonna be the luxurious part of their vacation yeah so now they have to go travel back today.

18:31It's a lot of traveling. It's a lot of traveling. It's like travel there yesterday. Today, you travel to a different place and then you have to go back on a plane to get ready to travel tomorrow. So now the ladies are chit chatting in the air and Jazzy's trying to make small talks. She's like, oh my God, your kids are gorgeous. You have two, right? How do you feel with two kids? And Angel's like, when you have children and then you see you in them. Wow I just love seeing It's amazing because they look one way When I look at them But then their school pictures come back And they look completely different They've got my mark in face The funny things with the kids is also That whenever we call them down for dinner They seem to get lost upstairs for two hours We don't know why they can't just figure out Their way to the table So Tia's like well can you imagine loving somebody more than you love yourself?

19:25And Kieran's like, well, I don't know anyone I love more than myself. So then they get to Denver and they're arriving. They get off the plane and everything and Angel, they're in the car heading to the Four Seasons and Angel has an announcement. Here's something you guys don't know about me. I don't like fish. We'll pull the car over. I mean, this is deep. we need to talk about this. What are you talking? Who cares? And they just, they all kind of look out the window. Like why the fuck am I stuck in the car with angel? And angels like, why am I just learning now that you don't like fish? How could you keep this from us?

20:09This is something we're supposed to learn about in the first conversation, dietary preferences, but also it's also like, don't say that right before you're taking the women fly fishing. Don't give them, don't give Giselle something to, you know, So Giselle would be like, where are you going fishing? She doesn't even like fish. Why are we doing this? But also this is just like, because to do something you don't even like to do. Why? It's also just like not a fascinating piece of information for this day. Like this is not, and it comes out of nowhere. Like if you're going to say, here's something you don't know about me.

20:41It should, you're now, you have a preamble. It's coming out of nowhere. So it has to be really good to get everyone's attention, but something as generic as you don't really like fish. it's just not gonna work it's not hanging at angel we don't care i'm focused on getting to the four seasons i'm thinking of bubbles and body gel and luxury talk about toilets talk about running water talk about luxury oh yeah so uh in the other car giselle monique jazzy and ashley and jazzy's like i'm not gonna lie i love my girl stacy but are coming in at the crack of dawn and knocking on the door. She's like, it's me.

21:20It's me. There's no running water. There's no running water. And they just start laughing because Stacey is like so extra about everything. And then at 8.19 p.m., not 8.20, 8.19 p.m., they arrive at the Four Seasons and they are so happy to finally be back in the lap of luxury. Yes. So they get there. It's a nice room. And of course, Giselle's got the presidential suite. Like, dah. And they look around. There's a shower in the middle of the room, like a glass shower in the middle of the room, which is, you know, I guess rich people like to look at each other naked. I don't know. I mean, if I was rich, I would be like, I want a cave where no one can possibly see me, including myself.

22:02I want no mirrors. I just want it to be dark and steamy. It is a funny choice. Is this the actual presidential suite or is it just maybe it's a honeymoon suite? because the honeymoon suites are sexier. I know this because one time I went to Vegas. It was like a bro trip. And I was with my friend Saji. And we arrived and they gave us an upgrade. We're like, sweet. And they're like, we put you in the honeymoon suite. It was funny. And I was in the closet still, by the way. So it was like two quote unquote straight guys. I mean, he's straight. I'm definitely, obviously not. And the honeymoon suite, it was like from all angles, you could see that shower.

22:39It was like, it's like, we want you to have sex and like enjoy it. So like, like anytime either of us were like taking a shower, we had to like actively look in a different direction. Otherwise, like any mirror or thing you could just see because God forbid he is eating his penis. Yeah. I don't know that this would work for a presidential suite. I can't imagine Nancy Reagan being like, oh, Ronnie's showering, you know? Well, it did also have, it did have a lot of accoutrements. It had like some old fashioned exercise equipment in there. And there's a lot of stuff. So maybe it was presidential, but you would also think that if you're doing, if the president is going to take a shower, like, why are you going to have the president in like a super exposed glass box in front of a window?

23:23Just doesn't seem like a security, a safe thing, you know? Yeah. I mean, Melania, I'm sure has put up with a lot in her years, but this would send her over the edge. She'd be out of there. Yeah. I don't think we finally get rid of her ass too. I don't think we need to see a three dimensional naked Trump showering in the middle of the bathroom. I think, yeah, I think presidents, probably none of them. Well, maybe a couple, but most of them probably don't need to be seen naked in the middle of the middle of the room. The Secret Service is like, oh, my God, can we please put the secret back in Secret Service?

23:56This is disturbing. Yeah, let's keep it. We don't need to see any of that. We also probably don't need to see any more ice in the streets. I just want to say I can't help myself. Sorry. Moving back to the show. So now they're all walking around the suite and they're looking at everything. and be like, oh, this is wonderful. Oh, great. Angel, by the way, has passed out in the back of her car, and they're, like, waking her up. Well, to be fair, the fish revelation was a lot. That's a lot of energy. She's emotionally tuckered.

24:27Took a lot out of her. She, like, lost her life force when she said that. Yeah. So, yeah, and she was sleeping deep, too. Like, she really sleeps like a log they had to they had to wake her ass up they really had to um so ashley tells us that she's done some of her best work in the tub please no one wants to think of you in the tub either because every time i think of you in the tub golem is there please yes we don't we don't need to imagine who you're doing your best work with it's either golem or ralph and i don't really want to imagine either of them yeah um and she's like then you get in the tub and then you get dirty and then you get out and then you get dirty again.

25:06And this is, they, I think they talked about this on Married to Medicine too, right? It was very, it was a very shower heavy Sunday episode where they're like, yeah, you get dirty and then you get out again, then you get dirty again. Right. They were talking about that. It's so weird how Bravo does that. They have multiple, you know, things happening on different shows. Anyway, so Angel's like, so I'm very happy that you guys are in accommodations that are up to your standards. You're welcome. And she was like, yes, I did it. Not you, you terrible hostess. Yeah. And she was like, well, I hope you had a great day on my trip.

25:42And she was like, okay, so here's the, so we've also had the option tonight. And they're like battling to be the hostess of this moment. Also the way that Angel says, I'm so glad that you guys are like, that you're like, these accommodations are up to your standards as if she booked them for book, these hotel rooms for the ladies. It's like, Angel, you had nothing to do with these hotel rooms. But Giselle's announcing that there's food that's coming up here. And then Angel says, oh, and, you know, there's a honky tonk bar that's right around the corner. So we can all go there afterwards. Well, I'm the best mechanical bull rider that I know.

26:17I'm going to stay on that bull all night. It's not a countertop, Ashley. And so now they're talking about getting sexy on the bull. And so Angel's like, but guys, you are going home tomorrow. So here's the plan. We're going to have breakfast. And here, yes. And then we're going to wheels up to the lake and we'll be fly fishing. And then you'll be headed back to the airport by two-ish. Even when she said this before we even knew what a disaster turned into, I was like, what time are you getting up? Five in the morning? I don't think you're going to have time for this. That means you have to wake up.

26:48Like, you have to wake up, get yourself camera ready, which I imagine takes, what, like 90 minutes to two hours? I don't know how long it takes for the women. But it feels like it's probably a bit. and then you're going to eat you're going to hit the road like around 11 ish or so get there 12 fish fishing is going to take an hour at you know at least eating is going to take another 45 minutes to an hour like i don't i just don't see the timeline here so and then it gets worse because she's like uh someone asked what they're going to do about their belongings and she goes oh yeah so we're going to have to go back and get them so that'll be like two hours up and back and I think by the time we come back, nobody wants to ride a bull, right?

27:30Okay, so it's 9.15 right now and you're telling them they have to get in the car for another three hours because we know it's an hour and a half. It's not an hour like she keeps saying. It's an hour and a half. So it's three hours that they need to go in their car. How is this luxurious and why is everybody acting like this is the better option to come stay at this hotel? This is crazy. And why is there no one who can bring from their estate who can bring their shit to them. I mean, I guess maybe the women haven't packed up their stuff. So it's not like, oh, just, you know, like Kieran probably has her unmentionables and various stuff and Tia too.

28:09So it's like, no, we want to - But didn't they know in the morning? But this is why this episode's pissing me off because we're having to sit here and talk about this. Like, but wait, why didn't they pack? Why didn't someone else bring it? Couldn't they have packed in the morning? Because in the morning they knew they were going to be going to the Four Seasons. Why aren't they already packed? And why couldn't the husband do it? And if they have nannies, then it's good to stay with the kids. It's like, I'm planning. Like I have a fucking family. I don't need to be planning like this for somebody on a TV show.

28:33This shit should have been dead. No, I literally love this. I literally love weighing in on other people's bad logistics. And I think what they were saying is that the women who are going to the four seasons, I think they packed. We actually saw them pack. It's that Kierna and Tia and Angel had no idea that this would be happening. So they've got to go back to Angel's house. Oh, I see. I see. and that's and the thing is that yeah i think if they had been packed maybe they could have gotten someone to bring the stuff back but also when angel says we'll have to go back and get them and that'll be two hours oh two hours up and back and i think that by the time we come back nobody would want to ride the bull so why did you enter the honky tonk bar into evidence why were you like by the way there's a honky tonk bar next door but we're not gonna be able to go because is we have to go get our luggage.

29:23Like, just miserable. So miserable at this. Honestly, if I were Angel, what I would do is I would go back alone or I would offer to go back alone to get everyone's stuff. Although it's the same issue because everyone has to go back to pack up their stuff. Nevermind. I was going to say, she goes back, gets stuff and brings it back. But Tia and Kieran, I have to go. I know this is driving you nuts. I can already sense. No, no, I'm fine. Because this is just like discussing other people's logistics. It's not making me mad. I'm just like, I'm just, I'm just starting to because it's like, okay, I'm in the drive.

29:56And then this will take that long. And then they have to go up the stairs. And what if the kids are asleep? And they're like, I love it so much. I love discussing these logistics and how also like Angel has flopped on all of them. It's so bad. Yeah. Everything is spread out in the wrong direction. Do you remember what the town is that she lived in? Angel's house on the map? Focockta. I don't know. Focockta. Okay. Focockta, Colorado. yeah i don't know um so they're gonna have to go over there and so jazzy and ashley are ready to party and jazzy's like yes i love ashley because she took shots off my boobs that time like we're friends now we are real friends as a wag i can say that that's a girl who needs to set a party um so then monique starts playing the piano that's in the room and um they start making up a song with the piano yeah about having no water and stuff yeah and uh they they're they go around and i was actually so impressed so incredibly impressed by post-production and the show in general that they did not turn this into a five minute long silly moment where there were graphics on screen and introducing the kiana as so-and-so and playing the part of like they know silly names They just let them sing their stupid song.

31:14I know you're still traumatized by the Real Housewives of Potomac when they went to Austin and they did that. Yeah. They would like wrote a country song. They put it to music and stuff. Yeah, all that stuff. And here they just sang this song and they sang it very badly. And they went around the piano and it just sort of like seemed like this, this felt emblematic of the entire trip. This sad song out of tune. it didn't really go anywhere it was the one moment of community quote unquote community that they had the entire episode and perhaps the entire trip where they were just gathered around singing a sad song before they all dispersed again the next day and just wandered around that state yeah so now people are getting up to leave the room and we see Colorado last day 10 hours later 10.33am so everybody's getting ready and Ashley's on the phone with Sheila and she's talking about how it was really rough last night because she rode a bull.

32:16She really conquered that bull and then it just cuts to her being flung off the bull. Yes. Also, the timestamp, 10.33 a.m. I'm like, have you guys not even started your brunch yet? I know. I was stressed out. You know, brunch should be over by now and you guys are all just waking up and getting ready. Something is not right here. yeah commercials here comes one right now

32:48so now um it's time to leave and stacy's like we were in the ghetto and jazzy says baby the top of the ghetto because it was very high um so they're just glad to be in the four seasons so now it's 11 23 a.m and they're just starting to leave 11 23 now it's been almost an hour since ashley called sheila and i'm like uh hello you guys have flights you got what is happening their flights are at two you should be leaving right now to go to the airport well i think that they have to be at the airport for their flight set i think well they keep saying flight at two oh i i got the impression that it was like they just have to be there by by that time to get to you know what i don't know i don't know i assume there was like a 90 minute buffer like to get in check your bags and then go through security but either way i mean you have to be there too so um so monique is saying um like monique is happy because she's cleansed she looks you know refreshed and clean and they're all happy and they're they're just they're just like hugging each other saying good morning um while the clock is ticking away and uh they all sit down and they all gather and basically, you know, it's time to figure out where the hell are the other ladies because they're not there.

34:11And Wendy's talking about how she's a nature girl and then we see T 'Challa attacking her and her screaming. And she's like, so fly fishing, I just decided to take the fly pot, you know, so I just dressed fly, get it? It's Chanel, I'm ready for these fish. And so they're all complimenting each other's clothes because it's housewives. and Giselle's like, I hate not being able to trust somebody as it relates to a girl's trip. We were put through the trenches unnecessarily. After she put us in the trenches and I made sure she had a room here, those hoes didn't even stay here last night, which we knew that wasn't going to happen, especially if they're going to drive home or back up there to get their stuff.

34:56They're not coming. They're going to drive up to Angel's home and then they're going to have to pack, which is going to take another 45 minutes to an hour. And then there's going to be chatter. And then they're going to kiki. Then Bobby will be there. And his friends will be there. And they'll be like, you know, talking. And then Angel will suddenly get tired. And Angel won't want to drive. And then Kieran will be tired too because that's Kieran's thing anyway. And then Tia will say, well, I guess we'll just stay here. But you know, if there's anyone who wanted to go back to the Four Seasons, it was Tia.

35:24Poor Tia was basically kidnapped this entire trip. She was stuck in the Angel wing of the gang, and she just wanted to hang out with the others. Oh, I felt so bad for her. Well, Angel, Tia, and Kay decided to stay at Angel's house, and I proceeded to text Angel, and she says to me, they're not coming back to the hotel at all. Tell me what sense that makes. Tell me. Tell me what sense it makes. and so we see we see the tax exchange and Giselle is saying Angel I'm confused the hotel told me your rooms are empty question mark question mark question mark so they just paid for hotel rooms that they're not using which you know I get it Angel paid for stuff or production paid for stuff that also did not get used but I just think that this was I think it's weird that Angel did not text them to say hey we got back to the house and we're just so zonked we are unfortunately gonna have to miss you the fact that like angel doesn't communicate i think is just really shitty but they have to be always be the ones to reach out to her to be like what's going on are you coming back where were you she should have just said it's going to be two hours we're not going to do that we're just going to go home and just have the fight and just be done with it you know but i think angel's just so sick of hearing it she's like bye i'm just going to tell them what they want to hear and get the fuck out of here so Giselle's like oh and they wanted me to fly fishing situation to do an activity and call it a day this is not a girl's trip bye this is cold I see when I see you why so she's mad and Angel's like well at this point Angel's gonna Angel I mean Angel's the verb Angel's the verb right now so now um we see the flight countdown five hours 34 minutes okay wait so then it's not it to.

37:10So if it's 1130, oh my God, whatever. It's 1130, five hours and wait, what was it? Five hours and how much long? 34 minutes and eight seconds. 34 minutes. Yeah. So that means the flights are at five o 'clock. They have to get to the airport around 2.30. It's a little on the early side, but you know. So they're 30 minutes south of the hotel and Angel T and K are in Angel's truck. So T is like, oh my God, I should have used toilets when you did. I'm dying for the, I'm dying, but I don't want to slow us down. But if you do see a house, just stop there and I'll knock and tell them that I used to live there.

37:47It works every time. Angel's like, no, no, no. I don't want you to hold it. I don't want anyone to be any more uncomfortable than they are. My whole point in purpose of this was to be relaxing. It's like, so here we're now seeing the pinnacle of what the Wonderland experience is, which is an open mind to pulling over at a Starbucks that someone can be. She's like, no, no, no. I want my trip to be known as the trip where you pooped when you wanted to. Okay? You're going to think back on this, and you're going to say, I had to poop, and Angel found a way for me to poop. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

38:27Tell your friends. Wonderland. Wonderland. So here's another peek inside the wizardry of Angel. She tells us last night my intention was to go back to the Four Seasons, but it was past 1 a.m. in the morning at that point. What? Wait, did they go up to the house after the Honky Tonk bar? I don't know what's confusing because her time, she doesn't have a good sense of time, I think we've learned. And so she keeps saying everything's an hour, but nothing is an hour. And so I'm wondering if it really took them that long to get back home from the four seasons that it couldn't have taken that long. I guess it depends on when they left.

39:07Yeah, that was at 915 when we saw them talking about, you know, I think they went to the bar. I'm going to say that they went to the honky tonk bar. They went to the honky tonk bar and they went after honky tonk. Maybe that's why she said no one's going to want to do honky tonk after they went to honky tonk. They left at 11. They got there probably 1230, 1245. maybe it's one and they decided we're just gonna stay there which honestly i get that i get that but that's so joselle's annoyed because they're not showing up to breakfast she's like they're not having their together time with the breakfast i guess which by the way by the way by the way by the way by the way sorry i'm mad here's what i say you get there you finally you you stay you do the honky-tonk thing you go to the house afterwards you get there 12 30 or 1 a.m it's reasonable that you say god i wish we could have spent overnight at the four seasons but we're tired we're just gonna spend overnight here what you do in first of all you text second of all you wake up at 6 30 or 7 a.m and you book it back down to the four seasons and you have breakfast with everyone else that's what you do you don't decide okay it's too far because the for the place that they're going to to fly fish is between the house and the four seasons Right.

40:23So they would have had to go all the way back to the hunt. That's, but that's what you do. That's what you do because it's about the being together. And so it's inefficient, but that's why you wake up early and you do it. And you make that gesture and you say, I'll be there in the morning. That's what I, I think that's what you do. If you're going to do this whole, like, you know, ridiculous logistical plan in the first place. Yeah. So Kay's like, well, our bags weren't even packed. And then we're going to come for another hour. No, no, no. So they look for a bathroom for Tia. And Angel's like, well, today we're under some time constraints at the beautiful scenic location where these ladies are going to fly fish.

41:02And I have my guides and I have a chef. And then we see the chef dropping food into the fire, creating a delicious three-course lunch so that they could go straight to the airport comfortably. someone needs to literally light a fire under angel's ass because even even in her confessional she's like and then we have a fire and then we're gonna eat food oh gosh it's just so and the thing is this she's also acting like this luncheon is like some sort of michelin level thing and it looks like a very nice lunch a nice grilled steak and some vegetables I mean, there were some beautiful looking vegetables there.

41:47But she's acting as if this is, you know, Thomas Keller who's serving the food. And it's just like just a nice steak lunch. And so I'm like, it's almost good that they more like Helen. Am I right? This is some crunchy steak. What is this? Who cooked this? Did you cook it on the ground? He knocks over the grill. Steak's just on the grass. They're like, wait a minute. Everything's burning around us. So now it's 11 58 AM and the four seasons ladies are getting in their cars. And they have to be at the airport at two or two 30 and it's noon and you're getting in the car as they get in the car. And Jazzy go Jazzy is like, do you guys have any champagne?

42:33Cause this is like an hour and 46 minute drive. I'm like, what? What? Now the Denver airport is a ways out of Denver. Well, it's about like 25 to 30 minutes outside of Denver. I don't know if that's like on the way so like maybe it's an hour and 46 minutes to the campsite but then only an hour from the campsite to the airport but either way but like either way how that's too too I'm saying being very optimistically being very optimistic two hours and 45 minutes to get go there and back to the airport and then you're supposed to in the also tack on time for fly fishing and a three-course meal how is this gonna make sense when you only have two and a half hours and then to travel more it's like okay let's travel three hours today and then we'll get on the plane to travel again all the way you're already actually ghost like what you're already 15 minutes in the red just by going there and driving back if you do nothing else but drive to the campsite and then drive to the airport with my weird estimations you're already 15 minutes in the red i don't i just don't even get it i don't understand this whatsoever yeah so wendy wants a gas station margarita and jazzy's like wow you guys made this trip fun baby i feel like the dude in Home Alone once we got to the Four Seasons.

43:45Like, yes, I will have a large pizza and a champagne. So, Monique's like, well, I talked to my mom this morning. Literally nobody cares.

43:58She's like, I miss my coffee. I mean, she's like, me too. Because like us having coffee is synonymous with us having a conversation. Like, it happens every single day. And Ashley's like, oh, wow. Do you talk to your mom like that, Giselle? And Giselle's like, no. Which, by the way, I feel like Ashley knows this. That was such an Ashley, I know this, but I'm going to ask you this on camera. So Giselle's like, no, I don't talk to my mom very much. Maybe once a week. And she says that basically, you know, after her dad passed, she's now just basically talking to her mom about where's the will? Where's the will?

44:28What are your passwords? I'm not going through this again. Yeah, I like that. She's like, yes, I speak to my mother. I ask her where her money is. When am I going to get it? What is her bank password? she's so touchy-feely and we see her on a conversation with her mom and her mom's like I'm in the grocery store honey she's like I'm just making sure do you want to drop your pin number right now you're old she's like I'm great I'll call you later honey and hangs up on her Angel shows up at the supermarket I heard something about dropping a pin so yeah so then you know they're just talking about the mom and grandparents and have the kids talk to her mom more than she does and yada, yada, yada.

45:15So then Jazzy is like, oh gosh, poor Angel, trying to help her. And Wendy's like, yeah, well, I think she gets stuck in the way of this and that's just who she is, you know? Then that's, you know, and I can relate to that. But if you do want to have that genuine, you know, connection with people, you have to realize that there has to be a level of compromise because who have you connected with in this group, you know? And if you think about it, Ronnie, I feel like Angel started off the season doing okay. She was okay. And it was like the moment that Wendy checked her at that pre-Preakness brunch, I feel like Angel has been unraveling since that moment.

45:53And she just never quite got back into her groove, right? Yeah. She's just not, she's just not meant. I don't think she expected for them to kind of be coming for her or each other, really. in the way that they do in this group. I don't know if she's like the only person who never watched his show before they came on, but she seems like she doesn't know where she is or what she's doing. I think she came in thinking that she would be this fabulous housewife, this wag, glamorous, wealthy, into self-help and self-enrichment and would just be effortlessly integrated into the group because everyone would love her, would want her to tell stories of the NFL.

46:36and she would win over everyone. And since she arrived and they just, they just poked holes through all of her bullshit and she just did not know what to do. Yeah. Well, now speaking of bullshit, we've got a whole episode that is taking place in cars. So the ladies are like, oh shit, this is the season finale. What are we going to do? So they start trying to start fights in cars. So here's the first one. and it is Stacey versus Jazzy. So it's Jazzy, Wendy and Stacey in the car. Start driving along and Stacey's like, well, you know, Jazzy, I was a little shocked to see you kicking and exchanging numbers with Charisse at Family Fun Day.

47:19And Wendy goes, oh, wow. Oh, wow. Here we go. Here we go. I can see why, but go ahead. Go ahead with this. And so Stacey's like, because I shared with you and Wendy that Charisse was at Giselle's party calling me someone who is promiscuous. And then we see a flashback of Sharice being like, that goes the flood. So then Stacey's like, and I was shocked when I saw you getting her phone number. So Jazzy is ready for this. She goes, well, I'm really sorry that you were hurt, Stacey. I really am. Wendy, how do you think, do you think I should have like, came to look better? Do you think I should have said, oh no, you came from my friend.

47:55So right now is not the time for me to exchange numbers with you, even though this is my first time meeting you. Wendy, what do you think I should do? that's my cue to you, Wendy, to say the thing you were going to say about the wedding, okay? And Wendy's just staring straight ahead because she's in the front seat. So they're kind of arguing in the back. So she's just like, well, I mean, I guess if it's your first audience. And she's like, well, how long have you known me, though? And what does it matter if the first time you met her? So what? You know me, not her. And this is so important to me that I've waited a month to bring it up.

48:28and so uh jazzy is like so um i'm supposed to just be rude to her that that's what you want me to do she's well i don't care who you're rude to you're my friend so jazzy replies by saying stacy how did you want me to navigate meeting her did you want me to say no i can't see your number because you said bad things to my i can't i can't take your number because you said bad things to my friend like how like what am i supposed to do like what do you want me to do i can't just go around being super upset with everybody who comes for stacy because then i wouldn't have any friends stacy well i mean if that's how you feel then we're gonna just leave it at that and then of course now okay stacy my turn my turn now that i can hear what you're talking about stacy can i ask you a question now this is a twiggy thing with loyalty okay loyalty that you expect from your friend you better be damn sure to be able to reciprocate it and jazzy's like hello she goes well i think jazzy knows the history of our relationship and the experiences that we've had together and I have been loyal to you.

49:25I've been very loyal. Well, Stacy, let's just clear this one thing up. Was it your initial plan to support me at my wedding before Ashley and Wendy said that they were coming? And Wendy goes, because she knows what this is about. Was it Wendy? Wendy's like, are we going there? Are we going to do this? Are we going to really do this before we get to a group setting? And Jazzy goes, yeah, we're going there. And Wendy just keeps screaming. I mean, both these fights are so stupid. First of all, the thing where she got Sharice's number was a long time ago. If you had a problem with that, you should have said something then.

50:00And the thing about her not going to the wedding unless she knew somebody is not crazy. I wouldn't go to your stupid wedding unless I knew somebody either. Have you ever been to a wedding alone? It sucks. Yeah, I would say that, I would honestly say that 60 % of people don't want to be at your wedding. Like I say that that's probably like the rough estimate for really any wedding. Like people like it, they're happy for you, but no one's saying, there are some people who genuinely love going to weddings, but I think there's like a large number of people who are not really at a wedding. You know who loves going to weddings?

50:31People who want to get married. That's the only people who love to go to a wedding. People who are like about to get married or want to get married in the future and they dream about it and they want to go judge each other's weddings and be like, well, the catering at that wedding sucked. My wedding is going to be a lot better or my wedding was better. Maybe people living in the past. But in general, weddings are just not, they're not a healthy hobby. I will say that the wedding is usually most exciting for the people who are the stars of the wedding. I enjoy weddings. No one wants to go to your improv show either, but I'm glad you're doing it.

51:05Like, that's nice. I enjoy weddings. um some of them are really beautiful some of them are very emotional others are a little bit more generic i'm not gonna lie but almost almost every single wedding that comes around like two days beforehand someone says hey um we're gonna go to ikea and i'm like i i can't go i've got to go to a wedding it's like there's always something that like i actually true genuinely want to do more and like it's not doesn't take away from the the beauty and and uh the loveliness of the wedding but I'm just saying don't think that your wedding is the end all be all for events of that weekend because there's other really cool shit that we could all be doing.

51:47You're not doing me a favor by letting me choose between chicken and salmon. You know what I mean? That's not like the biggest thing that happened to me this year. I'm doing you the favor by going to your fucking wedding. And I'm going to write it down and I'm going to hold on to that. So next time I'm mad at you I can be like, I went to your wedding and I bought you a$150 dish rack. Who even orders$150 dish rack. Like, who does that? One of my friends did that. And still, the last time I got mad at her, I did think of that. I was like, this girl is giving me attitude when I spent$150 on a dish rack for her.

52:20Really? And I got yelled at by J-Lo's ex dancer, boyfriend, husband. Well, he didn't yell at me, but he got really mad at me. Was it the... She was like the young dancer that she was... I think she was married to him, right? I don't remember, but I was at the bar and I ordered a vodka soda and then I got a vodka soda. And he goes, uh, excuse me. And I said, yeah. And he said, you just took my drink. I said, no, I didn't. I ordered a vodka soda and I got a vodka soda. He went, that's my vodka soda. I said, do you want the vodka soda? I haven't had a sip from it. And he goes, yeah, I want it because it's mine.

52:57And so I gave it to him. And then the bartender just like gave me a look and I said, may I have a vodka soda, please? And then he kept giving me like this stink eye. And I was like, babe, I'm so sorry that I stole your vodka soda. He's like, oh, it's okay, man. It's okay. Like he just needed an apology. And then my friend was like, what was that? I said, that loser accused me of stealing his drink. She said, oh, he was married to J-Lo. I said, does that make him less of a loser? He got dumped in five minutes. Maybe that's why he was so on edge. He was dealing with like PTSD. From the vodka stolen, the non-stolen vodka soda.

53:35little loser well it was if he was married at j-lo it sounds like it was either chris judd or i think it was chris judd that sounds familiar chris judd i just remember thinking did you buy this woman 150 dish rack then you can get the fucking line behind me sir it wasn't uh mark mark anthony could you imagine no i would have i would have just given it to him So I would have been like, here's your vodka soda. Now get back onto your lily pad, sir. Wow. Well, that's a very specific reason not to care about going to weddings. But I support it 100%. I was just going to say, it's always some kind of drama, you know?

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