#3188 RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3 Part 1: Todds and Ends

0:21Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to talk about i'm ben mandelker joining me today for salt lake city finale finale finale day it's ronnie carom hi ronnie how's it going well hello ben how's everything going with you uh it's going as well as it possibly could be excited to uh put this season to sleep the third and final uh reunion episode no we're putting it to bed not putting it to sleep are you gonna kill Wait, so you just wanted to be in bed and lying there with its eyes open? Just thinking about things? No, we're putting it to sleep.

1:00It's limping along. We're putting it to sleep. That's it. It's in pain. Okay. It's better for the show. It's better for the show. We don't know who's coming back next year. It's kind of like a murder mystery. It's like White Lotus. Like someone's died, but who is it? It's hard to know. So, Ryan and I went out last night with our colleague, Dame Brian Moylan, and we spent lots of time trying to discuss who would be on the outs. I don't know if we actually settled on anything, but it felt like Whitney was really making a play. Like, keep me on a season and you can see my marriage fall apart. So, Bravo may take that bait.

1:36Meredith Marks, who knows? Who ever knows with Meredith Marks? She threw production under the bus. Bravo doesn't like that. When did she? I mean, I still am going to argue about that. I didn't. Listen, you know, here's the reason I'm standing up for Meredith, because everyone's asking me because she's being attacked constantly. And it's ridiculous. I don't see anything that she's done except yell at somebody on a plane. And I'm not going to get mad at a housewife for yelling at somebody on a plane. I'm not going to do it. And that's why. That is why. That's the only reason. I'm not being paid by Meredith.

2:03I barely know the woman. I've met her two times in my life. We have not had any deep, life-changing conversations. She's being attacked for no reason. Let the woman pop her pills. Yeah. so like you know so i mean we have a whole bunch of suspects here you got whitney but like she's bringing her might be bringing a separation story meredith maybe issues with production but like also meredith is a huge star and then you've got rumors of broadwin leaving which seems crazy but then it turns out she initiated the separation from todd so if the rumor is that like she was trying to save her marriage is she really and then you've got heather you know a lot of people are getting tired of Heather's shtick, but also Heather is indisputably, no matter how you feel about her, she is kind of the glue of the show, a very loud, interrupting glue, but a glue nonetheless.

2:50Angie, huge people, you know, like fan favorite, but also disappeared a little bit towards the second half of the season. I mean, Mary, I don't think they'll get rid of Mary. And then is there anyone else after that? I mean, Brittany is just a Brittany. She's a friend of, so who could it be? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to worry, but you know what? I'm just happy with whoever shows up. We'll be happy with. That's a good way to think of it. While you all think about that, let us remind you that in one month from yesterday, actually, we have the Golden Crappies. It is coming up in a month.

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4:44It's Wednesday. Damn it. For a moment, I thought it was Thursday and we'd have a new episode tonight. No. Still 24 more hours. That's tomorrow. Did you see that Colton was supposed to be on Watch What Happens Live and then he backed out? What a wuss. He backed out or they pushed him off. Something happened. They put up Rapoport instead. Wow. Talk about a villainous move. wasting rapaport on us colton no kidding was there nobody else available in new york but did we actually also really want to hear from colton no but i wanted to see him at least we asked some questions like maybe about stalking and stuff but maybe that's why he didn't do it because he knew he was going to get asked no this is what colton would have been like on watch it happens live you guys have to remember it's a game and i'm a human and i went through so much bullying and like living for 29 years of my life in the closet where I couldn't even be me and now be out of the closet and I'm just being me and I still can't be me it's a lot to take on it'll be a whole thing a whole thing yeah I don't need any more Colton in my life I'm good I've got my fill so um so here we are with the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City season six episode 18 the finale While a reunion part three, Brittany has just walked off the stage sobbing in her very theater kid way.

6:09She's like, oh, I can't believe you'd call me a bigot because I supported a guy who's a bigot. And just to get some free nails. I'm not a victim. I'm not kidding. Leave me alone. I'm not a victim.

6:27Okay. okay so then who said who said that and merriman's like oh i did because she's playing the victim but you see this is how this is how we found her on the plane you know so like when someone is this devastated it's hard not to have compassion but then meredith has a great point she goes right and what did i just do did i pull her hair or dump wine on her or did i just call i just called her for her bad behavior she's basically saying i i i said i didn't like how she acted and she had a full-on meltdown so you can see it doesn't take a lot to push her in that level to that level so it wasn't like it wasn't having a crazy fit on the airplane to get her to be sobbing like this yeah so then we cut to britney crying in her dressing room she's like i need a minute and the hairdresser or whatever i mean these poor glam teams they don't get paid for this this is like hazard pay they are not your onset therapist and the poor glam person has to like sit there and rub her back you know be like it's okay britney it's okay and britney's like you're not jewish are you okay and then uh we go back to andy and he's like well if she took the post down when she found out and heather's like yeah didn't she make it right but she didn't take the post down when it came out which meredith points out you know and she's like well she took it down not when she found out she questioned at first and was bewated by the public for it and then she took it down and this is true there's you know there's uh audio of her being like well i don't know that he did this and i need proof and then if you need proof go read the other reviews on the page you left the review on you dingbat because there were lots of them i've read them and you would have known pretty quickly, but it was days.

8:16There's arguments. Was it days? Was it weeks? The minimum I've seen, the minimum I've seen from the person who was affected, you know, the guy who was posting about it, the guy who was affected by it, was saying eight days. So I don't know. I just wanted to respect Hanukkah. I'm not an anti-Semite. I lit a candle for every day that I left that post up. Doesn't that count for something? It's the miracle. of light. Of light reviews. So.

8:52I am on the tribe, everyone. I'm using my Jewish card. So then, speaking of dingbat, so Heather goes, well, you know, we call her a dingbat, but now we're expecting her to have, like, expert execution. Yes. Yes. People, I expect stupid people not to do. anti-Semitic things or support anti-Semites. I do expect that from stupid people. I expect like base level consideration of other people's, you know, races and religions. Yeah, exactly. And it's kind of annoying that Heather et al are standing up for this girl and that they have been the whole season when they knew why Meredith was pissed off in the first place and are just acting like this is all in Meredith's head.

9:35And they're all standing up for it. They're all at fault for this. And it makes me crazy to watch them sitting there standing up for it. It's not like Britney. Look, I don't think Britney needs to be burned at a stake for Christ's sake. I think she just needs to say what I did was wrong. I should have taken it down earlier. And that's it. But instead, she's making it this whole thing. Now, do I think that Meredith should be saying, well, she has treated me differently because I'm Jewish ever since I met her. I don't think that that's necessarily fair either. And I think that Meredith is maybe overplaying that hand a little bit.

10:04But I do think that this was shitty of this girl. Of Britney to do it. I think and basically what Heather is saying is guys she's an idiot do you really think that she like understands how to navigate these sort of situations that's what Heather's actually saying here yeah she's literally saying she's too stupid to know we can't get mad at a stupid person yeah but you can't put all your validity in what the stupid person is saying either you can't your defense can't be like this person is so stupid she doesn't know how to do right but then say she does nothing but right and you're completely wrong in this situation well I think your instinct should not be like guys let's hold some space for the stupid person okay she doesn't know any better i think you're what you're what you should be saying is guys we need to find a way to like elevate like to to improve our stupid person let's see if we can make her a little bit less stupid right ignorance is not a recognized disability okay you don't get a handicap spot for it so shut the fuck up all of you only a spot on bravo so meredith is like wow exactly you get a reunion handicap for it but not Not a handicap spot.

11:10Did you say handicap? No, but that would have been better.

11:17So, like, wow, she felt like she was under public attack and that's why, not because it was like, condemning what she did. And Brahman's like, well, I don't think she knew what was going on. I think she actually thinks she's back in Tokyo right now and about to go out on stage as Cinderella. So just give her a little bit of grace. and she's like, well, I mean, we don't know what her intentions were and I know how she treated me when I confronted her and I know how she was treating me from the beginning and I know that I was very nice to her. I mean, at my bat mitzvah, I threw Angie out for her and then she completely turned and started lying about me.

11:56I think those are good points and it kind of bothers me that Bronwyn's like, well, I don't think she knew what was going on. She took it down. Oh, really, Bronwyn? I thought you were the one who's supposed to like stick up for people, you know, like stick up for the person who's having bigoted shit thrown against them and not the idiot who's too stupid to take it down before eight days passed. And I think Meredith's point about, you know, like I was nice. I was only one nice to this girl. Like everybody was attacking this girl, calling her names. I got rid of Angie for being mean to her at the bat mitzvah.

12:28And then she turned around and started being mean to me just to get on the side of the quote unquote popular girls. And that's not cool either. No. I mean, that's 100 % what Brittany did, by the way. Brittany had that turn on Meredith on the vacation where she started telling people that Meredith was up late at night crying and throwing up. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

12:55so uh britney just let's do like go to britney cam let's see how she's doing

13:05okay so she's doing well and this is also why i can't listen to britney because she's in there crying going and she's literally saying i didn't do anything wrong that's not the answer you know the answer is okay i did something wrong but i didn't know it was wrong when i found out it was wrong that I took it down but to sit there and be like I didn't do anything yes you did Brittany you fucking victim tears yes it's white lady tears it's just like and that's why you can't just be like well she's too dumb to know any better because that's how she that's what she relies on and also yes when the stakes are much higher than this than this situation are you really going to be like well she was too dumb to know better no and also you can't you know everyone's saying Meredith is overreacting to this thing that Britney did Meredith is not sitting there sobbing and crying she got pissed but she's not sitting there sobbing and being a huge victim about it and blah blah blah Britney's the one doing it and Britney the only thing Britney was accused of was the actual action of bigotry it's like you're crying harder than the people you know what I mean like you're crying harder than the people that were actually victimized in the situation right as usual as far as usual it's like you don't understand how that accusation can affect my life so um and luckily she lives in like she's in jared osmond land and i'm sure it has zero impact whatsoever so andy is like well i'm curious what your reaction to all these other women having different experience of what you experienced on the plane than you meredith so specifically mary who sat you down at a calm reasonable conversation about with it about you i mean about you with it oh god it's a long reunion anyway the point is what do you think when meredith and when mary said something to you meredith's like well i really didn't understand it i mean to be honest first of all i didn't know she had a twin sister and there were two of them sitting right in front of me so i was like which one do i look at first and then i just got sleepy and then i turned on crazy rich asians in the bar and i just must have fallen asleep before i could get to the ending and hear what Marianne is saying about her, so that's why I think that.

15:13Do you remember the ending of Crazy Rich Asians now? I do, Andy. She finally gets adopted by a very rich man and all the servants dance in a mansion. That was Annie. Well. Okay, well, I think as we all know in Crazy Rich Asians, the craziest and the richest of the Asians finally gets destroyed by Seymour and then he goes off and lives with his lady, but it turns out that the Crazy Rich Asians actually growing in the backyard, so be careful. That was Little Shop of Horrors. Well, I'm just speechless. Everyone's against me. I wish Andy had brought up the fact, I mean, he's bringing up Mary here.

15:53I wish he had brought up the fact that at BravoCon, Mary said pretty clearly that Meredith did not scream and yell and have a fit on the plane, that she was just very emotional because that was kind of a turn in this whole story when everything started turning. It's like suddenly we're at BravoCon and now everybody's stories are changing. um so mary's like okay something i just want to go on the record about something before this entire season is put to bed um everyone and not murdered hate everyone hates this storyline about what did meredith do on the plane there's no camera footage it's a it's a she said she said dang it's gone on and on and on can i say an unpopular opinion i love it i love it i i love this controversy because I love the visuals of it.

16:41I love all the theories. All the theories are very fun to me. I love that it's Meredith Marks. I love that it's like a big, a compelling piece of evidence is Crazy Rich Asians and how much did she watch of it? Was there shaking of the seat? Was there not shaking of the seat? I just, I've been invested since day one. And I understand the majority of the audience, if not the whole audience is sick of it. But I just want to say to anyone else out there who might be in the same shoes as me i'd love it i'd love it well i mean it's still salt lake city you know what i mean and it's still a pretty classic episode because because they've left it up to our imaginations and we know so much about meredith and how she does act it's just seen as amazing even though we haven't seen it on film we all have seen it and we all know even the people like me who are defending meredith no matter what know what meredith was doing on that plane and find it hilarious like either you find it disgusting or you find it hilarious but i think we all see it pretty clearly even though we weren't there and i think that's a testament to this show and this show has had such a pattern of uh drama wrapped up in airplanes you know last last last year it was lisa being stuck in a c 17c etc so it's just it just follows the pattern and i don't know this is a mystery i'm really i really enjoy hearing that that mary back at bravo con was saying that she didn't yeah like the narratives that are shifting it's just very entertaining to me there have been there have been a lot of other bravo shows where there's been a big thing that happened off off camera and did it happen did it not happen and i find it exhausting but for whatever reason this one i just find to be very campy and so it amuses me i just i just want to put that out there yeah world yeah yeah i'm with you i mean i think this is one of those things where at the end of the season we're all feeling a little frustrated let down that there's not footage etc but i think in a couple of years what'd you say oh you said frustrated i thought the word was frustrated sorry go on frustrated we've all been a little frustrated but in a couple of years we're gonna look back and be like god they sure don't make them like that anymore.

18:53You know? And we need to really remember what we have right now and be grateful for it. So let's all just take a moment. Okay. Not of silence, because that's painful. So Andy is like, well, okay, I already asked that question. So Mary is saying, well, but do you remember the things that you were saying before we got on the plane? Because you were mad. And so you were fueled and you were angered and you were talking and talking. And then Brittany comes back out. She's like, I'm back. and nobody like literally nobody cares and of course she walks on right in the middle of a mary sentence which really does not make mary happy mary just looks at her like seriously so she's like it's me and i just want to say meredith she's like oh god what meredith i apologize profusely all my teeth forward i bawled my eyes out i told you i was sorry so shut up we squashed it back then and we're done and that's it and we're moving on now and he goes nothing says I'm sorry for supporting anti-semitism then I'm sorry shut up

20:00but wait I like this conversation though that we're having with Mary I thought they were talking about was interesting because it was nailing to the it was nailing Meredith to a cross again so we were finally getting somewhere yeah i like that too britney you're just a friend of so you just sit there quietly okay okay wait question so back to where we were welcome back america so you admitted that you were confused um yeah well i was saying to meredith um like there was lots of things that you were venting and you might have vent to vent to lisa but you certainly vented to me so please don't say you didn't do it she's like i didn't say i didn't do it and that's what's making me crazy about it merida said she was pissed she said she was bitching about britney she said she was demanding the tiktok she said all this stuff all she's saying is she didn't scream and yell to the point that she would have been kicked off a plane and she wasn't on pills and booze i believe maybe 60 of that that's what you say when you stick to a story that you've agreed on okay you say the same story over and over again wow heather would be one to know that wouldn't she exactly and especially coming from you who can't even do that your story has changed multiple times since this whole thing started ma 'am yeah multiple samarita says and that's 100 truly and what i'm still saying all right maridith did you have a couple of drinks before the flight well i had one drink in the lounge was it a foot long yes was it actually a two foot long yeah the novelty size thing that i had trouble getting through security yes but they filled it up but it was technically just one drink i had a drink in a lounge called the yard house and the drinks are a yard long that is just how it happened um and also they were drinking they were all drinking uh that morning at brunch because they were on the yacht having their final brunch so i'm sure there were mimosas flowing and stuff like that so people were on us a little last week like how could you not bring up that meredith completely disregarded the question about did she drink before the plane ride and instead went into this anti-Semitism rant.

22:14I didn't mean to disregard it. I wasn't like purposely like, oh, let's pretend that didn't happen. But to me, they've asked Meredith if she was drinking multiple times. It's been the entire season. And I don't think it's that big of a gotcha to ask a real housewife if they've had a drink before they went on the plane. Yes. It's like saying, is your DNA made up of anything but fillers, alcohol, and a little tobacco? No. It's not. They're housewives. Of course they drink. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you only had one drink? Okay, so it's confusing to viewers that you can't remember what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians.

22:53They all got therapy. They're no longer crazy. What do you people want from me? Well, unfortunately, the craziest one turns out all this time. He was a ghost. And the child who saw the dead crazy Asian, he was seeing him as a ghost. And I thought that was a pretty devastating twist. Wasn't even an Asian. It was Bruce Willis. And the craziest part is all those crazy rich Asians got out of that high rise before the terrorists could get them. Now you're just actually confusing the Bruce Willis movies that were wrong in the first place. Oh, I'm sorry. Well, the truth is And I apologize to crazies and Asians I fell asleep I fell asleep during the movie I was watching movies, dozing and dozing And so it happens And Lisa's like, I ate alone She was asleep So I was just eating It was me, me, my cat, crazy rich Asian The set And Meredith is like, yeah And Lisa also fell asleep And that is why I climbed over her to go to the restroom Michael.

24:04It was very important for me to go to the restroom because I was reminded as I was watching Crazy Rich Asians that everyone was food poisoned from the fish. And there was someone named Shirley on this plane who shouldn't be serious. You actually watched Airplane on the airplane. I don't know what you're talking about. That sounds ridiculous. But wait a minute. Man, I have some evidence. The descent would have been the end of the movie, which was the climax of the fight, though. Why? Why is that true? That's not evidence at all. The movie could have started at the beginning of the flight, and the flight could have still had another whole hour to go, Whitney.

24:45We don't know the timing of the movie and the flight. It's not 1993 where there's a big screen at the front of the cabin. You could all start your movies at different times now. But wait. But wait, Meredith Being so nefarious She started Crazy Rich Asians Just so that way it would end When wheels were down That's not right She timed it so well So Mary's like Well you were venting a lot, Meredith And she goes, well I vented I absolutely vented A little at the beginning And at the end And Mary says Well I don't think you were asleep She goes, oh, well, Mary, you were asleep. All of you were asleep.

25:30You've all testified that you were asleep. So how do you know? How do you guys know when she was sleeping? What part of the movie she was on? You're all full of shit. And Meredith is like, well, I 100 % went to sleep. And she went to sleep, Lisa. And that's why I climbed over to get out of the seat. And Lisa's like, do you want to know what's something that really bothers me about this whole situation? I was so upset on the boat. I was so, I was so upset on the boat. I felt very alone. And I wanted to, hold on, hold on, Eddie. Okay. I wanted to go home. And if I could have swam to shore, I would have gone up to the shore.

26:08But you know what? I was empathetic to her because it's like, what you guys do is wrong. What you do is wrong. It's a very good and inessential point, Lisa, that you were upset on the yacht. It has nothing to do with the seat situation. Although I will say it was a shame that they didn't bring up what happened on the yacht. They really didn't go after Heather for anything. Like we're going after one lady for getting drunk and screaming at somebody. But we're not getting mad at the other lady who was the originator of the getting drunk and screaming at somebody and following them around on a boat and accusing them of shit and being just completely nasty, which was Heather on that boat.

26:45And leaving someone in tears on the dry dock. On the naughty boy. On the naughty boy. So, Heather, Lisa says, I did nothing to you and I'm falsely accused of stuff all the time. I want to be in the fight. And Heather's like, no, you weren't falsely accused. I accused you of what I felt is true and I still believe is true. Molly Sorenson style. Lisa's like, I was falsely accused. Okay, what you feel and the truth are very different things. Well, now I still think it's true. And I still love you because the gaslighting never has to end. And I still want to be your friend, which is astonishing. But you leaked it every single person here.

27:27You're like an old house on HGTV. Leak after leak after leak. Someone send in a homely couple to renovate it because all I see is water dripping from the ceiling. And I still love you for it. That's my favorite part of you. But that's my least favorite part of you, Lisa. You're a sociopath. You're a narcissist. you're a horrible human being and i love you lisa barlow what kind of speech is this i know she's like holding the she's like holding the boom box above her head outside and then just throwing it at her head you know what kind of fucking climax is this and she's like the crazy part is i still want to be your friend which is astonishing because she's still trying to get the ride or die point like heather heather's constantly in pursuit of ride or die credit on this show like this is her damage like something in her life has propelled her to be someone that says like despite everything but i'm saying you're right or not so lisa's like well i don't know if i want to be your friend if you think that's true which i'm like thank you lisa she's and i've told you on the boat when you said like you've done mean things to all of us i do think it's true and you know why i think it's true and i gave you the receipts and the proof and the timeline and the screenshot Okay, we get it.

28:41We get it. And you know exactly why. And we resolved it on the raft. And I said, I won't bring it up. But if you're going to go there, I'm going to go there. Go there, Heather. Then go there. Do you have anything? Do you have any evidence other than screaming and saying what you believe? That's bullshit. So Lisa's like, well, I was having a moment. This friendship is over. But I love you. And Lisa's like, I was having a moment. I was, you know what? I was having my feelings. Okay. I was sharing my feelings, like break me off a piece of that feel-feel bar. But now it's about Heather's feelings.

29:17It's about your feelings. Okay, you know what? So, okay, so let's hear your feelings, Heather. Because I was sharing mine, and I won't be vulnerable. Fine. I won't say exactly how I feel, exactly what I mean. Just continue talking, Heather. And Heather's like, love you. I love you, Lisa. Mary's like, Lisa, you can't cry about the things that you did in the past. And she's like, I'm not going to take accountability for fucking shit. I don't do. okay she's like relax just relax it's not that serious no no this is the end of the story i am not gonna be saying i did something i didn't do enough enough i didn't kill jfk okay jfk blown away what else do i have to say oh lisa you did it that's why you're known as grassy knoll everybody knows it she's like no i'm not gonna own something i did not do i'll own it okay you know what i'll own every single thing i've ever done i've made a lot of bad decisions in my attempt to be liked and i have boundaries now and i love you but i'm not gonna back down on this the worst thing i ever did was forgiving you for being an emotional terrorist lisa i admit it i'm guilty i'm not gonna own something i didn't do okay and i will not pay a lot for that muffler something i did not do is pay a lot for the muffler and i'm done i'm done but i emphasize i empathize with Meredith and I literally was like crying so hard by the way I was like crying so hard it was like so pretty and like I felt like so alone and so isolated but like very pretty and like that's like what you were doing to her and that's what everyone was doing to her ah kick up her that's not true Lisa it's not true I mean it's not true that we were going after you and then we couldn't nail you down we decided to go after Meredith instead so what do you think what's happening with her what's happened to me you iced me out for two years heather oh my god you were an asshole so she didn't speak to you i don't understand this whole like you iced me out you were an asshole you're about to be iced out again for being an asshole and then you're going to wonder why and start crying about it as if you didn't spend the entire year trying to come after her okay all right stop i'm not following the thread of this argument anymore because it's supposed to be about crazy rotations but for whatever reason heather's screaming or should i say screeching have to take it from me i'm the host screecher anyway harper from columbus said whitney what did you think of meredith handing out drug tests at the tea party which is a funny thing to say if you really think about it despite what she says she would never take one well okay well i I would take one.

31:52I just want, for the record, I would definitely take a drug test. And I'm happy to. And I have one here today. If you want me to take it, I would take a drug test every single day. And by drug tests, I mean a martini. Drugs. It's like, this Benzo is a drug test. It won't tell you. I'm going to test how well I do with it in my system. How crazy is it that Meredith is carrying around a drug test in her purse? Like, what? Why do you have a... What are you doing with the drug test in your purse? It's like I would take it every day and I do not do drugs because this story is incredibly damaging to my business.

32:28Who wants to buy jewelry from somebody who's on drugs? Who wants to go see a DJ show by somebody on drugs? If there's one place that drugs have no place in being is at a DJ show. I will literally take a drug test every single day. Every single day. If I'm caught on drugs, do you know what that will do to my small jewelry boutique? Do you know what that could do to my board game? And, you know, Andy, I just wish sometimes I could be the one in Andy's ear to be like, go get her, Andy. And just say, tell Whitney to take that drug test. Tell Whitney and Heather, who are the biggest, well, I think Whitney is the biggest accuser, make her pop a squat.

33:15She brought the drug test. Nobody took the drug test. You all should take the drug test. I think if you all, you know, I would say the same thing at my own intervention. If I had my family all sitting there saying, oh, Ronnie, we're so worried about you. You just seem so off the rails lately. You really need to get help. I would say, okay, I'll go get help after you all take this fucking drug test. And we'll see what hypocrites you all are. Okay? You franzia-soaked accuser. Take it. Take it now. shows here comes one right now

33:54when you say Andy Andy Andy to answer your question I thought the drug test was diabolical but then I thought it was funny so Andy's like all right well Well, potato from is a lovely starchville says Whitney.

34:20Whatever floats your boat. It is a starch. Sounds like a nice town. I hear they've got a lovely resort community there. Unfortunately, you've got to see all the potato eaters in bathing suits. It was built in 1910 as a place for wellness. to rid yourself of consumption. Anyway. Our potato is underrated. Meredith, take it. Whitney, calling Meredith an addict is a dangerous and damaging label and kind of funny for the audience. Why would you do that, especially since you dealt with it with your dad? She's like, well, yeah. So I apologized in Greece and I think it's horrible that I said it and it slipped out of my mouth out of frustration because she was telling me That I was lying about the plane And it was ticking me off And it was It was It was Lying Yeah but you know I hate that I said that she's a pill popper And an alcoholic But it's only because she called me a liar And that's character assassinating Because you called me a liar So then I'm going to call you a pill popper And an alcoholic Because clearly you don't remember the plane Even though you're saying that you remembered what happens and it just disagrees with what we said that happened.

35:39But my only lived-in experience of when that happens is when benzos are mixed with alcohol. So do I think you have a problem? No, I just think you mix benzos with alcohol for breakfast in your cereal. How can you say you're sorry for calling her a pill popper and alcoholic, but you mix benzos and alcohol clearly. So... That's a housewives apology if I've ever heard one. I mean, if anything, that's actually a Meredith Marks thing, right? to be very specific with your language like i'm not saying you're an addict what i'm saying is i've seen you have benzos and alcohol together and what you do with it and this frequency of which you do that is none of my business and i don't know anything about it but i'm just saying that that's what i've seen and everyone else can make an implication on it so meredith is like well let me be very clear karen huger style i don't take any pills i don't have any pills and the only pills i would take if i could take would be benzos and alcohol and i already took them can i apologize for my words please because i'm trying to apologize for my words no you're not you're still you're still insinuating the same shit you're just wording it differently and meredith is like well the one i took in bermuda you guys gave me that sleeping pill of some sort and you took one you took one or two and both of you did it and heather's like um what did we give or Ambien?

36:59I mean, what? Basically, like, handing a teacher an apple. I mean, come on. Meredith's like, well, I don't know, because I don't take pills. All I know is I took whatever you gave me. Boom. So, that came from you, drug dealer. Okay? Pablo Escobar. I'm giving you lots of pills in our friendship. Lots and lots of pills. Are you trying to win this argument, Heather? Like, I don't know how this is... If your argument is, Meredith is addicted to pills. She's out of control. And I gave them all to her. I don't think that's a strong. What are you accusing me of? I give you pills all the time. There, I own it.

37:33You can't get me. I mean, I've given you Zofran on a yacht when you were nauseous. I've given you, this is deflicting. We're deflicting. I'm curious, though. What other pills have I popped in front of you, huh? And then we see Meredith accusing her in a confessional saying, well, I mean, most of the women, I don't do drugs. And I'm really tired of it. And let me start counting the drinks and the multitude of pills in Brittany's pill bottle and the pills I've seen Heather and Whitney taking. So stop with your smear campaign or I will start telling the truth. So Heather's coming back from this and being like, well, I heard what you said in your diary room session that I take pills.

38:10Oh, great, Meredith. Well, I've given you hundreds of pills. So prove that I've taken pills. I know, right? It's a strange defense. Well, did I say she popped pills just now? I didn't say that. Yeah, but you said in the confessionals, the pills I see Heather and Whitney pop. And Brahms goes, yeah, you did talk about the pills that Heather and Whitney take. You did say that. Can we get to my scene yet? Okay, it's been a while. Okay, can we get to me? I never said that you popped pills. I never said that. But you did. You did. And Heather's like, well, you said it in the confessional. Whitney's like, yeah, but that would have been a sleeping pill on the plane.

38:49Like, prescribed. Prescribed. Okay, well, that's still a problem. Isn't that what you're accusing her of taking? Prescribed pills? What's the difference? I'm sorry, is Kathy Bates sitting on the sofa? Because it feels like we are in attendance of Matlock. Wow, they are really putting together a case. So Heather is like... These two. So Heather is like, Well, those are the pills that you've seen me pop. Are those? It's a sleeping pill on the plane. She's like, well, you gave it to me. Well, but we're getting away from the point You timed Crazy Rich Asians To end exactly as we landed How did you do that?

39:26That was amazing And furthermore, I'm ashamed that I said those words I was frustrated that you were calling me a liar So I combated back with that Okay? I combated back Whitney, I love Whitney words My pill is kicking in So I really can't really listen anymore I combated back I'm sorry for my word choice. Yeah, well, you're clearly not good with word choice. All right, well, let's wrap this up. Is there any accountability you want to take, Meredith, for what transpired on the plane ride? Okay. Well, 100%, I vented to Lisa. And it was inappropriate to vent on a plane. And I did not mean to hurt Britney's feelings.

40:09And I'm sorry that she hurt me. And I'm sorry it hurt her feelings. I'm sorry that she has supersonic hearing. It's nothing that I would have not said to her face, and it wasn't nice, just like everything else the women have said to me were not nice. All right, so nothing new that you haven't said before. That is absolutely correct, yes. Okay, well, there you have it. I'm not a victim, but look, she won't even say I'm sorry to me. Okay, Brittany, anything else you want to say? Well, I want to thank Mary. Mary's like, oh god, fuck off You just cut to Mary's face and she's like I never said I was the best mother in the world But give me some credit for trying, okay I do want to thank you for rallying with me And just staying with us in that customs line And you didn't have to do that I know you weren't accustomed to that See, that was a joke I feel your kindness You really went into pastor mode, Mary You even tried to take her purse Hit her over the head with it and told her to buy you more things.

41:14And I would, I would drink milk from you because you were in pasture mode. That's pasteurized. Okay, she's had too much, too much time on this sofa. We need to put her to bed. That's when you mow a farm. No, Brittany. So Eddie's like, I want to say one thing. I know I can't help myself, but I know we're almost done. But I think you got on the plane in a really bad place mentally. But you were doing that to me. If you were doing that to me, the air marshal would have been waiting when we landed. But I just saw the shape that Brittany was in. So roll your eyes, Meredith, or whatever you want. But the shape she was in was worse than the shape she left the stage in.

41:58That is all. And they're like, okay. Everybody just looks at her like, okay. And then she just gives herself satisfied, like nailed it. Nailed it. Was that Angie's way of saying, I also don't like this bitch, but I'll stand up for her. I wasn't sure really what Angie was getting at there. She was basically also saying that, like, Meredith, if you had done that with me, there would have been a fight. Because Meredith is saying, like, if I really had acted like that, there would have been an air marshal. And she said, if you had acted like that with me, I would have called the air marshal. And I would have had your ass thrown in the clink.

42:31All right. Well, we're back. Whether the Salt Lake women were facing a rollercoaster relationship with an Ozman, a failed business, empty net syndrome, which of course means that you're sad that you don't see Dinamanoff on your TV anymore, or being told by their daughter that they are simply too Greek, drama brewing at home often caused these housewives to go from gentle to prickly, much like petting a cactus. And if you thought I was teeing up for a video package, no video package, just a very long preamble for no reason. So, Whitney, did you decide to walk away from your company or did it run away from you?

43:11Horrified. Are you still trying to win back ownership? What's happening? Let's get some Whitney economics going. She's like, well, I fully separated over my company because it was finalized over, like, summer. And, unfortunately, I had to rebuy back my inventory. so I officially own Wild Rose Beauty by myself with lots of expired face cream. Okay. So they took your company, then you paid money to get the face cream back. That does expire. So now you're going to have to charge like double the prices for something that nobody was buying in the first place. What is wrong with Whitney? What kind of thought process is this?

43:56Cut the cord, darling. Cut the cord. It's a very elaborate question to ask Or I should say it's a simple question to ask With a very elaborate Multi-faceted Answer Well how are you and Justin now Because there's about one person in the audience who cares Well Justin and I Are continuing to work on communication And it's just been hard Do you resent him? No I don't resent him But it's been hard I don't know maybe it's something you might see next season Who knows? I would just say that right now. The good thing is this brought Justin and I to we can communicate because it's like raw. We're almost communicating too raw right now.

44:40We're like, hey, look at that beef. And he's like, look at that chicken. And we're both like, so raw. Like, wow, that's a lot to talk about. You know, we need to like cook our communication. So it's not raw because raw things can make you sick. And I don't like to be sick. but sometimes if you communicate and then you say i'm mad at you then the other person is allowed to say but i'm mad at you too and that's what happened so now i'm in trouble with justin because he's more mad at me than i'm mad at him so it turns into this thing where she's like yeah i opened the doors of communication but then once i did that i found out that i'm kind of an asshole too and so andy's like oh and mary's falling asleep and andy's like uh mary are you asleep she's like um i i'm i just nope nope i just my i'm just my eyes my eyes are my eyes are just pretending i'm the audience right now that's it how long are we gonna let whitney talk here could you just warn you know they put all those trauma things up at the end of the episode like if anyone if you or anyone you know have ever had thoughts of taking your own life please call this number They need to put that up for Whitney.

45:50If you or anyone you know is going to drive a car off the road listening to Whitney tell a story. If you or anyone you know is thinking about using three different metaphors in one sentence. Whitney's like, well, it's just so raw and we sweep it under the rug. But it's like pulling off a band-aid and you have to open the door to it. Because the cookie crumbles. We put raw meat under our rug. She actually used four. That's pretty funny. she does a lot really quickly and he's like he's like okay well um rick from not steve's says whitney you said in the past that you faced issues with justin where you thought your marriage was over do you feel like you'll be able to bounce back from this well i do throw myself on him and i bounce off of him a lot so that's pretty fun but we've bounced back from harder there is the time I fell on the floor and I bounced And the floor is pretty hard So I bounced on that I'm pretty bouncy So yeah, I think I'll bounce back I don't know Well, I'm bored So I'm curious, Meredith What was your reaction to Seth on Next Gen NYC Talking about his desire to be pan-sactual?

47:05Well, I mean, look I think it was just meant to be light-hearted And something that was dwelled on for way too long and the audience was getting really annoyed because they don't really care about Seth on that show. But if that's what he wants, then just please let me know.

47:23Heather, you seemed excited to become an empty nester. God, Andy, it is the best thing that ever happened to me. God, not having my kids around. Jeez, every day I wake up, I look around, I say, kids, they're not there. Thank the Lord, Andy. Thank the Lord. God, I hate those kids. God, they call me. I changed my phone number, Andy. changed my phone number. I took the address out of their phones and erased it from Google Maps. Andy hate those kids. Yeah, you know, and now I can move into a house that has smaller hallways that don't have to accommodate so many balls and chains being dragged through.

48:01I've even been dating, Andy. So, um... You want to tell us about that? No. Okay, well, uh, um... Ocean from Spray. Someone actually named Ocean called in. Said, Andy, is Elektra interested in pursuing her Greek citizenship yet? Well, she's not interested yet in pursuing her citizenship, but she is interested in going to summer. It made me really happy because she's going to be in the Olympics. Yeah. Team USA. Yeah, but Elektra's working on being an Olympian, which I hope that happens so badly, only because NBC will be forced to do a sappy segment on her at some point where it's like, she was from Salt Lake City and her mother was a housewife and we'll have NGK at the Olympics and it'll just be so perfect.

48:49Yeah, I heard actually that Britney just showed up on American Idol. Her kid, I guess, was auditioning and Britney came in and was like, hi, I'm Britney Bateman and this is my daughter. And they were just looking at her like, who? Who the fuck are you? And she went in there like trying to push her weight around like it's me, star Britney Bateman. hi lionel richie so but she brought olivia to bravo con which i didn't realize and andy's asking what olivia thought she's oh well she wasn't happy i mean well it was an interesting dance that we played you know ah you know you know she's she needs to feel that she's my number one and you know for the first time in six years you guys i have both my girls home for christmas this christmas is happening.

49:35They're coming home for Christmas. You know the girls are like, we were never invited to Christmas. We don't know what you're talking about, Mother. Yeah, exactly. We weren't at your house for Christmas because you changed the code on your door and we couldn't get in, Mother. She's like, they're the most extraordinary people I know and I can only just take a teeny bit of credit for that. Literally. And they're the reason I get up every day in the morning because I want to know what Jared thinks of my children. And he's like, wow, so happy for you. That's great. Why is Brittany still on the stage?

50:05Can anybody answer that? You're the being in my life. You're my inspiration. Okay, Brittany, that's it. We get it. You like your daughters. Alright, well, Baked from Alaska. God, how does ice cream not melt? Says Lisa, it seems like John wants to embarrass you on camera. The same way that Todd embarrasses Bronwyn. What's really going on in your marriage? How did John embarrass Lisa? What the fuck kind of question is that what did john do i feel like john was just expressing himself like cut to john hearing this question be like that's so true that's so true andy um i think that john is john was just kind of laughing at kind of what a narcissist i'm not listener lisa is i mean we've seen scenes of john being like can we talk about and lisa doesn't even say uh-huh or anything she just sits there and swipes the phone embosses him around and doesn't hear a thing she's saying or he's saying and i think that for the first time lisa saw how john is reacting to her ignoring him on tv it's the first time she's been exposed to it and so she got hurt but yeah i don't remember john ever doing anything mean to lisa do you yeah no i i got the sense that he was well i mean i agree 100 i don't think that he was trying to embarrass her but they were having a frank conversation and he was kind of like smiling and cracking jokes and he was like well you don't listen whatever whatever he was saying like she's crying and he's like smiling and so maybe that's how it was interpreted by some people.

51:32I didn't remember that. But I think he was just finally like yeah it's time for me to say this on camera. So he's like um that was a really long-hearted conversation for both of us and there are times when I felt completely undervalued and when I watched it back I like cried for two days. John's like and I just laughed. I laughed for two days. Man so much laughter in the household that day. I was like I don't even want to be near you. I I don't even want you to talk to me. Could you get my coffee? Thank you. You know, just because I feel hurt. You know what? I need you to pack that suitcase. But you know what?

52:04Because like, how does everything get done if I don't listen? Like, who does everything in this house? John, are you going to microwave the popcorn or am I going to have to do that? Okay, thank you. You know, how does Henry get everything in school done he needs? Rosalie, did you finish Henry's homework? Okay, put it in his backpack. You know what I mean? Like, how does Jack get a care package? have his jacket and care package. John, you sent that care package. So, you know, how do you have all your sheets cleaned and your suits done? John, you don't, what do you mean you don't own a suit? John, you get my point, Andy.

52:37I'm very hurt. I'm very hurt. Yes, that's correct. There is a lot of listening in that household as people listening to Lisa saying, do this for me. So Andy's like, well, all the viewers think you have an issue taking accountability. She goes, no. which is not productive smoking accountable and listening no I don't what are we talking about and it seemed like one of the things that he was really trying to express to you is that he feels like you don't take in what he's saying or you don't hear him who? what conversation was this? I don't seem to recall we had a conversation Todd? you mean Todd?

53:18I don't talk to Todd John John who? Could you be more? There are a lot of Johns. We're in Utah. Why would I talk to a tractor, John Deere? I don't get it. Ask more questions that make sense. Thank you. Well, you know what? He did say some things, but, you know, I've made very concerted efforts, okay? Because, listen, we've been together for a very long time, and there's times that I can't finish his sentence. You know, I can finish his sentence or finish his thoughts, you know, and he doesn't even have time to finish his sentence, you know, because I finished it for him. And that's what love is, Andy.

53:53He doesn't finish his sentence because you don't let him. He doesn't finish his sentences because you also start his sentences. I love finishing the sentences for him that I start for him too and do the middle part as well. Heather's like, I mean, doesn't that happen like 90 % of the time that you finish his sentences? No, because like we're business partners and we're parents together and we're best friends and we're sentence sayers together and we're in love. and I think that like bottom line is he knows damn well that I like work I really work hard on listening to him and like I think for me I just felt like it just felt like really jabby really jabby of him to say that like jabby the hot jabby the pizza hut I'd love to go there are space balls and he knows I work really hard to listen to him it's sore I'm like working really really really hard to listen to him see that already is kind of a bad sign it's like when he talks I'm working really hard so I can hear his words I'm like you It shouldn't be a hard process to sit and just listen to what someone else says.

54:53You know, but I told him I would die before I ate Arby's. And also, hey, wait a minute. And also, sorry. And also, I would die before I made you look bad by feeding you Arby's. But you made me look horrible on things that you know hurt me. Can someone open a window? I gotta let this out.

55:17Okay, I'm done. Wait, he hurt you in that scene? You mean the scene where you were crying and visibly devastated after he confronted you? He broke my heart. Well, I mean, it just felt real. I think you're beating yourself up. It was real. No, no, no. Wait, Andy, Andy, I'm not beating myself up. I'm not. I'm just saying it was like embarrassing. like in a, ah. But it wasn't embarrassing, Lisa. It was hilarious. It was a very funny scene for us. Don't be embarrassed. We love John. And all of us sided with John, Lisa. Why aren't we best friends? Mary's like, but if your husband tells you you're not a good listener, then that means you're not a good listener.

56:01Mary, that's not true. No, no, no. No, I mean, everyone knows that we can be strong women on the stage. But ultimately, what the men say is what matters most. Am I right, everyone? Come on. Yeah. She's like, your husband knows you better than anyone. No, Mary, no, Mary. It's not that I'm not saying that. Yeah, but I know that's why I can't even try to help you because you always shut it off. Yeah. It's not really helpful when you're like, my husband hurt my feelings when he said this to me. And you're all like, yeah, we're on his side. It would have been more productive if Mary said, we don't want to see you embarrassed by your husband, but we all as a group do feel like you have trouble listening.

56:36Like not say, well, he said you don't listen. So he's right. He's right. Yeah, he's a man, so he's right. She's like, but I don't need help. That's not the point. And Heather's like, but you're sobbing and your friend is helping you. No, I don't need help. I'm telling you my feelings. I don't need help. I'm trying to express my feelings. I don't need help with my feelings. And Mary's like, then what are we even talking about? She's literally just talking about her feelings. You all don't have to have fucking opinions on John being right for crying out loud. No, we do. We do. We're just trying to be here for you, Lisa, just to embarrass you a little bit more.

57:09We're just trying to be here for you, Lisa, by telling you that we are all siding with John. So Angie basically is like, look, this is your real life. And this was real. And we're on a reality show. And these are hard hitting things. Like she's basically saying, don't be embarrassed by this. It's actually was a really good scene because it was real. And everyone connected to it. And it was a compelling moment for you. You had like a good, it was actually a good scene for you. No, no, I'm done. I don't want to be compelling. I don't like it. But it is real And it makes everyone feel validated Because we have all those moments Although we tend to listen in those moments Not like you Well it's falling on deaf ears It's falling on deaf ears I don't want to hear it So they're like okay Well thanks for being vulnerable Well yeah So then Andy's like okay Well let's talk about Bronwyn Let's get to the Bronwyn part We've waited three hours for Bronwyn to say She's leaving Todd Don't know if you saw it in the commercials that we've been showing for months, but it's going to be a huge surprise.

58:10So you want to talk about that, Bronwyn? What do you got to say? So I'm sorry to hear about your dad's passing. How are you and your family? And she talks about that, which is sad. And he asked how the mom is at Muzzy. Well, I just want to say also that as he queues up the Muzzy segment, Andy goes, and Bronwyn's issues with Todd, those were just the cherry on top. And Brahma goes, oh, some rough puns there for me. You had to go there with a cherry. You had to do that. So she's talking about her mom dealing with her dad's Alzheimer's and stuff and how she was kind of in denial and that they had to sit her down and say, no, this is happening and you need to accept it.

58:54And Andy's, you know, not congratulating her, but giving her credit for sharing a lot of personal stuff this season. I want to start with Muzzy. What is up with those eyebrows? Well, you know, she's still my mother, and I try to help her, but then my gaze did tell me, let her keep her eyebrows. This is a show primarily for the gaze, and it's going to play well to the audience. So I did, and now everyone answer for it. Well, you know, your mother is pretty tough on you, and in turn, the audience was pretty tough on her. So what do you feel, Chick? Yeah, they were really mean to her, Andy. You know, the first episode that she was on, like, you know, a smaller conversation.

59:33And she came to me really upset. Like, this is how I speak to you. I mean, do you feel this way? Do I come across stern? You know, Andy? Like, she knows she's stern, but I don't think she realized how stern. And, you know, putting her on TV really showed her that. So thank you, TV. And I think that she took the feedback as, like, a good thing that we could talk about. But by the time the second conversation came out, I mean, really, aren't things were being said about her, Andy? Really aren't things? I mean, memes were being made, Andy. Eyebrow memes. And jokes at her expense were being made. and she's still my mom and i think she felt like the whole world was turning on her and i think she blames me a little bit for that and i'm not saying i didn't to get finally get revenge for all those years of misery i went through with her and i'm not saying that it was nice to have people on my side against my mother for once but she's still my mom and um i feel really bad about that you know and then he goes oh god i'm so sorry that is so rough and he's saying this as if he has not seen this situation play out with like dozens of mother-daughter combos on this show for 20 years yeah oh really did this show fracture an important relationship in your life that is so hard to hear yeah mary says well uh she was really nice and acceptive in the last episodes and bron was like well that's the thing i mean people just aren't one-dimensional you know there's just something about our personalities that's really tricky and we you know we push and we pull and We push and pull with each other.

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