#3189 RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3 Part 2: Todds and Ends

0:22Hi everyone, welcome back. This is part 2 of a two-part recap. if you're wondering where part one was, well, go check in the feed and be sure to subscribe. So that way you always get your episodes. But enough of that. Let's get right back into the episode. Wait a second. Ex-Mormon in a cape here. Is the push and pull because of your lifestyle because you're not Mormon? Would you say that this goes into your experience in surviving Mormonism? Do you think your mother is upset with you because you're a bad Mormon? available now on kindle or audible speak it sister so i think a lot of heather getting in plugs in the middle of bronwyn's sobbing yeah she's basically like drawing it all to mormonism which is not not necessarily wrong but it's just hilarious that she's like this seems like a good opportunity to reassert the fact that mormonism ruins everything and i'm selling it all over the place.

1:20But basically Brahman's like, yeah, it did kind of feel like she was, you know, she basically says I love my mother. We have a good relationship now. But on TV, it felt like she was kind of signaling to the audience, the fellow Mormons in the audience like, this wasn't my fault. I was doing all the right things. She's the one who fucked up. Right? Yeah, she's, you know, she's saying yeah, those are our values and you went against our values. And Heather's like, well is it allegiance to principles of the church or allegiance to her daughter? Heather, just let her have her own fucking segment. Can you let anybody just have their own segment.

1:50It's not fucking about you, bro. So she's like, but I mean, even like about me, it was about pointing it out to the whole world that she never agreed with this and she'd never done that before. And Heather's like, yep, see it all the time. Chapters 3, 9, 12. I mean, basically all the odd numbers. Heather pulls off some sunglasses like David Caruso. Looks like we've got a case of Mormon trauma.

2:16Who are you? Mormon, Mormon. Sign this release, please. So Andy's like, well, you said Todd stepped up and helped support your parents financially. And what did that entail exactly? What do you think it entailed? Paying for them.

2:37Buying the hookers and blow, Andy. That's what it entails. Well, they had to increase their Fig Newton budget. I mean, of course. But this is just an opportunity to paint Todd as a sympathetic figure for a moment. So he and he is sounds like he was doing all the right things. You know, he paid for hospitals. He helped move in Muzzy, the dad, memory care, all that stuff. It was it was very lovely. And he stepped up and did all sorts of things. And in Greece, we all saw that he was helping Muzzy with a move and all that stuff. and Andy is like, well, maybe that was a side of Todd that none of us had really seen before.

3:14Maybe Todd is actually kind of a good guy, right? And Brom was like, this has been nice, but before you try to paint Todd as a hero, can we just get to the question? I have a big announcement to make and we're taking a long time to get to it. I'm getting kind of impatient. Can you just ask a different question about Todd? This was funny. This was funny because he was painting him to be too nice And so she stopped him and was like, do you have any more questions about Todd? Can we move on to those? That would be great. This whole Todd as a hero thing is really getting old. So that would be good.

3:45I have long hair now. So we can move on. Thank you. He's like, okay, I guess I'll move on to the next Todd section. I do have more questions. She goes, well, do you want to start with where we are now? Or do you want me to start with where we were on the show and work our way forward? Because I can do this however you want. I've been waiting 18 hours to get this out during shooting. so it would be great if I could just get my victim storyline out right now thank you we're still on a muzzy wave okay I love her actively producing Andy okay well I want you to tell me where what do you want to tell me and she goes oh well I don't really know what to say well that's funny that you see that because you just told me what you just kind of you sort of steered the ship over here and now you're acting like you you're on a train make up your mind but you're teeing yourself off and then you're like no I can't do it for Christ's sake sorry I thought you'd help me transition out of producer mode into first chair mode here a little bit okay so Todd and I are separated oh sorry his choice did you not accept his word or his original no no it was my choice oh well what would be the thing that made you say enough is enough I mean, have you seen Todd?

5:03I mean, how many fupas can he really take? You know, Lisa's talking about kick-up bars. But how many nights am I going to try and make out with Walter Matthau, Andy? You know? I mean, that's a woman to do. It's just a lot. It's a lot to take on. And so this year was hard for me. And I watched myself in some of those conversations and saying things that I don't think I meant. That gets a double. and when I was like if you wanted to be open of course I tried but I didn't I don't know if I was really up for that and I was like it's something that I wanted to be up for but I don't know if it was up for that and I don't know I talked to Whitney and it was just a good conversation I thought to myself wow am I really in the place where I'm confiding things to Whitney of all people I mean look at her over there she's she's staring at the lights up above our stage she's she's totally lost and this is my confidant I can't live like this anymore Andy how come I See, see?

5:56I was just like, he was like, you shouldn't be talking to anybody about this, especially not that ding dong over there. I thought he's right. Something's got to change.

6:07So Heather's just like, do you think this was to do with Mormonism? Well, you know, I just see, you know, things are hard for me and we're at a place where it's not just me forgiving him or understanding him or trying to move forward. I mean, he's now saying that he doesn't want to talk about it and I can't talk to my friends and I can't share with the public. I started to feel isolated around the choices that he was making. I mean, I can't go talk about what a slimeball thought is on national TV. What am I even doing in this marriage, Andy? Did he want you to quit the show and join the Mormon Tabernacle Choir?

6:38He wanted that for you, right? He never said that, but I feel like if I kept doing the show, then the spotlight on the cracks in our marriage was just going to continue to be magnifying. And if I can't talk to him, if I can't talk about that to him or to anybody else, I was like, well, I just have to deal with it. And when we're not moving forward anymore, we weren't a team anymore, except for the fact that he took care of my parents while they were both sick and did this all while I was out of town. And, you know, it was just like PR. I was just PR for him. I was just PR for him. And it no longer felt respectful.

7:11Got one. No, no, no. Not Puerto Rico. but in some ways, maybe yes, I was sort of like a vacation destination and just didn't feel respectful and just really hard to separate that interaction with the Todd this year from the Todd I've known for a decade. And I think that while we were filming, I don't know, it's like a dance and I've danced maybe too many times and dance with the stars, call me, I'm available. And how I show up to rally around the choices that Todd makes on behalf of Todd is not behalf of myself. I don't know, it's just, it's just, she's just very delicately trying to be like, he's not supporting me on this show and I don't like it.

7:47Well, yeah, she's I think, yeah, she's pretty clearly saying like, I'm on this show. I'm bringing all of our issues to light on the show. And he doesn't want to talk about that shit on the show. And he was getting pissed off because I'm constantly throwing him under the bus on the show. It's like and from what we saw of Todd, you know, like I'm I'm no fan of Bronwyn. But listen, I would leave if I was in that marriage. And if the marriage is really like that all the time, I mean, there's, you know, two schools of thought. Right. Like, is it always like that? Is Todd just like completely dismissive or is Todd like that because he's asked not to talk about this shit on camera?

8:20And the second the cameras are going, she's like, so Todd, let's talk about the pictures on your phone or whatever. So is it like that he feels like he's getting thrown under the bus? Whatever it is, he does not want to talk about it on camera. And if she's going to do this show, then she's going to have to talk about it. And some of them don't. Some of them just leave their relationship off the show. But she's like, no, I'm bringing this on the show. He doesn't want to talk about it. So, well, she also said that like, you know, I showed up for him when he had issues in his life and I was kind of like PR for him and he doesn't do the same for me.

8:52Meaning that like when he cheated or this or that, whatever this situation was, she still went around saying Todd's a great guy and went to work dinners or whatever it was and said everything is fine and didn't, you know, didn't protect and she protected him. but now when like she's doing her thing he's like i don't want to be part of that and she's like no you got like you gotta you gotta show up for me now but uh but yeah this was we all knew this is just not gonna work out because she's thriving from the beginning you know this was one of those i think everybody from the beginning was like oh this is one of the people who's going to come onto the show to make her own thing happen to leave her husband i mean i think we all saw it pretty clearly you know todd i think is todd has looked like a jerk a lot on the show and especially with the you know the stuff that that has been brought up about him like looking at ladies lingerie on the plane do i think men do that yeah of course but still not a great look um then the stuff about the affair was there an affair wasn't there a fair we don't know because it was just so brawn when eyes last year that we can't we our brains were bubbled by the end and we don't really know what happened with that but then there's the other side of todd that's like raised her kid and like helped her family and like supported her family when they're sick and it i'm not saying that money replaces all of that and i don't think it should but it seemed like it was more than money like when he was dropping everything to go move the dad and help the mom and do and move the mom from the house and stuff so i don't know there's part of me that kind of feels for todd um but also it's where the rest of this keeps going that i'm like am i feeling for todd it doesn't mean i'm anti Bronwyn in the whole thing in this particular situation, but I did kind of feel for Todd.

10:35Did you? No, I don't feel for Todd. He cheated on her. He cheated on her and they knew what they were getting into. They're intelligent people and if this was something you were going to be uncomfortable with you just have to, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. My whole thing has always been the whole season and even last season like leave him. I feel like if you're not happy in your relationship then you should leave. And a lot of the behavior we saw from Todd, I was like, just fucking leave that guy. I mean, I've said it a million times. I guess I just kind of felt bad for him in this just because of all this stuff with her parents.

11:07Like, that's all mixed in and his help with that. And then the stuff that she says next, I was like, ooh. But it's really lovely that he did that for the parents. But also, like, that's what you should do anyway. Like, that's like, congratulations. You did the basic thing. Well, not everybody does. That's true. Not everybody is going to show up for your parents like that and, like, ride for them and help them and move them and move them into your house. and get them all the specialized care. I mean, not everyone's going to do that. But it doesn't mean I have to feel bad for him. I think that's very nice.

11:34No, you don't have to. I'm just asking. I think that's very nice. But don't forget, this is a man who shook my brother's seat on a Delta flight recently. He attacked my family. He attacked. That's true. Fuck Todd. Down with Todd. Never mind. I erase everything I just said. He was the, he Meredith Marks, my brother as Brittany. It's time for a commercial. it's time for a crappin's commercial

12:03so anyway braunwin is basically saying it was like the worst thing was being like yeah you have to go and then there's this whole crazy story that todd like he they were living separately separately and he went and he watched all of the show he started season one and he binged the show and he called her up and said, well, Bronwyn, Meredith Marks is an icon. I get it now. Icon, mother. Angie Kay's husband is like, right, icon. Ask her if she'll sign my poster. So yeah, apparently this is where I was like, this is where I kind of felt bad because I guess Todd was like, all right, this is your own thing.

12:44I don't want to be involved in this shit, but if you want to do this housewife thing, fine. Just leave me out of it. and then she does it and he doesn't watch it because he's like it's a bunch of bullshit i'm not getting involved in that and then he doesn't realize how she's how he's come off in it and how she's been talking about him in it and watched it all and was horrified and calls her sobbing apparently and um then he went and mainlined reddit which is oh don't do that when you're low reddit is a dangerous place to go to yeah so he went and read about himself on the reddit and apparently called her sobbing about it.

13:21And yikes. Yeah, that's... So that's when I felt a little bad. I do feel bad. That's getting dragged on Reddit is... I've been on there. Not dragging him. So I was like, that's me. That was probably me. I know. By the way, did you feel at some point that they were like, Todd listened to Watch What Happens? I was like, ooh. Well, you know, just like someone, I'm sure it's hard enough being on these shows, taking it, you know, all the hatred that you get from being on these shows but having no idea that it's even out there and then just getting it all in was like two years of just like this this man is a piece of shit you know but also like that speaks but he earned it i'm sorry like i'm sorry there's something like the fact that he like didn't even watch the show or didn't do his homework or just wasn't paying attention like i i respect that there's a mindset that says i'm saying my bubble i don't care what people have to say about me i don't care what people on the internet have to say about me or whatever fine that's that's okay but sometimes there's an element of like this silly show that my wife is on this trifle this whatever who cares and it's like no these like it's a it's a legit thing and it's like wow people watch this show people have thoughts on me i'm like yeah bro this isn't some you know rinky dink you know community production of guys and dolls you know i mean although it is Salt Lake City, so it kind of is.

14:46But I get what you're saying. If you wanted to join that, he's like, I'm unreliable, Todd. So Bronwyn's living in Utah. Todd's in New York. They're living separately. And she's not going to see him while she's in New York. I was like, wow, that's rough. She's rumored to be dating some hottie. She's appeared in some pictures with some hottie. So yeah, good for her. So Whitney is crying. You know, they keep cutting to Whitney and being like, ah, ah, ah. And so finally, Andy's like, okay, Whitney, you apparently need some attention. So you're emotional hearing Bronwyn's story. What are you thinking?

15:26Even though I've already asked you about your own marriage and you answered like a dingbat. So go ahead. And she's like, well, I just relate so much to Bronwyn and it's so hard because I'm going through something hard myself. And Bronwyn says, I know. But the way she looks at Whitney was so funny. She's like, really, bitch? she's like this is my scene i have not spoken for two hours you just tried this in meredith's scene and when he's like just i'm on the reverse i'm on the reverse side of bronwyn she's like no you're not i'm looking right at you no no metaphorically i'm the one that feels like i always fuck up so that's why i'm so emotional because i'm like relating because justin's like the most incredible husband and like he he puts chocolate syrup on his body for me and he's the most amazing man and I'm the one fucking it up.

16:12I'm the one who's always getting him fired from his no job. And Whitney's like, cause I make it this hard. It's hard. And unless you're in it, you don't know. It's hard. You understand? Can I have a minute? I gotta come in the middle. So Whitney goes off crying. Whitney, the only person to walk off during someone else's segment. I can't. So she goes off and she goes to talk to Justin and she's like, Robin just told us that her and Todd are separated and it just triggered me. And I don't know. It's everything we're going through. I felt so bad. I tried to keep it together. And he's like, you're strong, babe.

16:43You've got this. We're good. You know we're good, right? Stare into my teeth and repeat after me. We're good. We'll figure it out when we go to Sturgis this summer. So then, um, back on the stage, and he's like, wow, I don't know what that was about. I wasn't really listening. So, you know, um, there's a, there's a lot of love between you and Todd, right? She's like, and a lot of farts. And I adore him, but I'm, and I'm worried about him. I mean, The worst thing for Todd is, you know, when he's watching the show, he's like, do you ever feel like I never look at you when I talk to you? When you talk to me?

17:18And he said, do you feel like me taking the cherry was this huge thing? I mean, he was generally confused by it. And Heather goes, yes, taking the cherry was a huge thing. That's a massive sign in Mormonism. You have five seconds before this whole place explodes. Get out. well he thinks that we have this history where he's shown up for me and loved me and been my friend and been my supporter and so who cares if he ate a cherry like who cares if he didn't look me in the eye in that one conversation and Lisa goes yeah I mean it sounds like a normal guy sounds like a normal guy to me everyone else is like that's such a he took the cherry that's a big deal because we all were like how dare Todd take that cherry but Lisa's like I mean like that's normal guy like that's what guys do it's just like when you're like the cheerleader and he's the carter back and they take your chair and you're like oh my god that's so funny oh my god and that sounded so much dirtier than i meant it wow mary's like well heather got her cherry taken by like 20 guys in college good time girl mary's like i loved it i loved that he took the cherry i thought it was cute and then right afterwards she was like don't touch the cherry that was my favorite part because the man got to do what the man wanted to do it was so adorable well mary mary i didn't think that was very cute and heather's like i didn't think he did it to be funny he did to steal your soul like mormonism mary's like well i don't think he meant any harm meredith's like well i mean maybe if they were in a healthy place it would have been a light joke but they weren't stealing someone's cherries a big deal that's how crazy rotations ended not well people stealing cherries and he's like well if if i asked you if you felt that without that the show broke you up, you would say.

18:58Well, I'm contractually obligated to say the show did not break us up. We were going in different paths, and it put a spotlight on it, and it just accelerated it, just sort of the way the farts were accelerating in frequency from Todd's butt. I'm back! Oh, God. Whitney, are you okay? Yeah, I'm just relating to Bronwyn still, because I know how hard it is to fight for something that you love so much. Okay, this still not your turn. Just sit down. Okay. So, Bronwyn, in your best universe, would your future involve Todd? And she's like, oh, I don't know. I don't know what to say, Andy. I just think we gotta see what happens from here.

19:36Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, take your time. Take your time. Take your time. All right. Meredith Zanabenzo again. Well, thank you for sharing tonight. And, you know, there's a lot of strength, and it's gonna work out. It's gonna work out. I don't think so. I told Todd that my phone has a map feature and he said, you're lying to me. No phone is capable of that. And I said, Todd, there's a whole world outside of Palm Pilot. And he said, stop saying those things. And he cried and he stole a cherry from me that I didn't even realize I had on me. Then he turned his hand into the shape of an airplane and started flying away, Andy.

20:17His Palm Pilot was terrible. And Heather goes, good job. You did such a good job. Bad Mormon out now Parts 1, 2, and 7 So we go to commercial and when we come back Andy's like okay before I get to Questions about Greece, Meredith and Heather Where do you two stand today? I want to hear Meredith and Heather yell at each other More, oh for Christ's sake They're sitting Alright, you don't have to interject And Heather goes yeah I mean We're not friends so you know We'll see how that plays out next season This reminds me of me and Justin I need a moment All right, she's gone. Well, I mean, Heather's told me three times at this reunion, so I guess we're not friends.

21:00I mean, I'm hoping for resolve, and I don't think there can be any resolve without an apology or just a level of accountability that we've all had to take, the kind of accountability you take when you leave Mormonism. Well, exactly, and I'd be happy to talk to you about that you lied or liar comment or whatever. Well, it was you lied. That was the comment. And you just pointed at me and you said that I lied and I didn't lie. Yeah, I did do that. And I'm sorry I did that. It wasn't actually intended to be at you. And that's why I stumbled with it for so long. So what actually Meredith is talking about is at the they're like their tea party thing, spilling the tea party that we see a flashback where and where Meredith was pointed at Heather and like Brittany or Whitney.

21:47and said, you worry. But then later she was like, no, I am sorry, Heather. I didn't mean to point at you. My vision's a little blurry today. I'm saying a lot of things. I meant to point at Brittany. She was the liar there. I take it back. But I don't think this is Meredith being truthful because she did mean Heather. Because Heather and Whitney were saying she was just screaming and yelling on the plane. And she said she wasn't screaming and yelling on the plane. So she called them liars, right? And they call her out too. They're like, didn't you point at three people? And she's like, no, I pointed at two people.

22:19Like, that was three. Well, there were six people there, to be fair.

22:26So she's like, well, I meant to say Whitney and Brittany. Well, but why didn't you in the moment correct the fact that you were pointing at the wrong person? Well, I tried. I did try to. And then we see a clip of her doing something. I don't remember. And she, like, talked it back. We see that she talked it back. Like, oh, I didn't mean you, Heather. I meant Brittany or whatever. Yeah. And so he says, well, it sounds like you pointed three times. And Brittany goes, she did. And she goes, well, because Brittany said it. Well, she's not a very reliable source. Well, actually, production just told me in my ear.

22:59Oh, well, they did. Well, I don't recollect pointing three times, but I didn't mean to point at Heather. And that's the bottom line. So you believe I'm a liar like Mormons? Well, no, I did point you and I did say it. But you don't believe that about me. Well, I didn't at the time, but I don't know. I have some question marks on some things. I'll be totally honest. And there's some trust that it has to be rebuilt on both sides. She's like, oh, amen, girl. Amen. All right. Brittany, why were you so offended when Meredith was talking to her son on Mother's Day? Well, I mean, I just thought it was rude.

23:33I mean, we all were desperate to talk to our kids. It was right in the middle. And, you know, she was in the hot seat. And something that if I had done, I would have been destroyed. Destroyed by everyone. Since when would anybody be destroyed for their child calling them on Mother's Day? So bizarre. And Mary is like, well, did your daughters call you? And Andy's like, well, was it a big problem for it? I like that there is no answer. And Andy's like, was it a big problem for everybody else or just Brittany? Not me. I mean, I don't care. Well, I was irritated by it because we were all there on Mother's Day.

24:05It's like when I heard you were kind of losing it over not talking to Brooks. I mean, I was there on Mother's Day. I wasn't talking to my daughter either. And she's got a bob. She's got a bob. So. That's not why I was losing it. It's because you actually tried to put a bob on Brooksie, and he's just a toddler. He's not ready for his bob. Well, you know what? It's another issue, and we're not going to go anywhere. Because Andy's like, well, why were you losing it, though? And she said it's another issue. And Brom was like, well, no, tell me. I mean, I don't understand. I mean, tell me. Well, you were mad at production.

24:33Just say you were mad at production. And Meredith just goes, she goes, shrug, nod. She's like, well, okay. Well, you want to say it's mad at production. You're the one who said it. And I did not say that. You know, it's not going to go well. You know, and when he's like, well, I actually have a big problem with this because all day I've heard you throw production under the bus. And we see a flashback of Meredith saying that she was like set up and there was a whole thing that got edited out. You know, that's what she said. And so Meredith is like, well, what do you want me to do? I'm telling the truth and they impacted my behavior.

25:07And Mary's like, it's not production, Meredith. It's not production. everyone on this couch there's a second half to why we were recognized in us weekly with everyone but britney and there's an entire team behind the scenes there are other half yes for production i love that they act like us weekly is the preeminent literary source in america we were recognized by us weekly because of the heroes behind the camera they fight for our country they feed our children they put water in rivers why are we acting like production is this innocent group of people who never fucks you guys over are you fucking kidding me i love that they're acting like oh my god production oh who only has our best interests at heart really then why did they fire half your production team after this season was over?

26:02Because they did. Yes, they fired Lori Gordon. They fired a bunch of people. They're making a lot of changes over there. So if production was so great, then why'd they all get fired, everybody? But this is clearly Whitney's stumping for another season. And Meredith is like, well, I completely agree, but I can't lie about what I'm upset about and say it was the phone call when it wasn't. Well, I've been hearing you all day under your breath. throwing production under the bus you're a liar man liar liar you're lying call me a liar all you want but you're lying and i'm so sick of you throwing your throwing our team under the bus because i've opened up our life because of our team and for you to sit here and throw them under the bus when i am here perhaps to be back next season maybe i don't know because i love production i don't know and mary's crying and handy's like why are you crying because i don't like that she would talk about production that way.

26:59What are you guys doing? And Brittany's like, I don't like it either. And I've said something too about it. Okay, but so far we know that something happened that Meredith was really upset about that wasn't talked about on the show. And she had to make it about Brooks. And we also know that this whole thing with Brittany that happened during the season was cut. And so Meredith had to be pretending to be mad about something else. So production is obviously steering things and trying to cut things. And they're also making her look crazy for things that might have looked a little bit more legitimate had she been able to vocalize them on the show.

27:34So, I don't know. And also, how is she throwing? Yeah, it's a whole, it's another Salt Lake City thing where we don't really get any answers. But the whole thing is a little weird. Commercials. Here comes one right now. Then Whitney goes, when we're at work, it's expected that we're not on our phones. We're engaged in the conversations. I'm like, the most iconic moments from the show have happened when people have been on their phones. Lisa Barlow, get my nine Lars on the phone. I want to go to the distance. You know, so Andy is like, well, what set you off about being on her phone? Well, because she was getting out of being in the hot seat.

28:14And so they're mad that, I mean, it seemed pretty obvious to us that she did have a very convenient phone call with Brooks in the middle of a fight. Meredith is like, well, so I couldn't pick it back up in three to five minutes after I was done talking to my toddler and hearing how he was doing was awful bad. No, because then you victimize yourself and make us feel bad. Like, how are we going to bring it back up when Meredith is sad? That's what you do. Well, I couldn't have been sad if I had just sat and talked to my son, maybe. Well, there's always some big, grand thing that happens and then we can't bring it up, Meredith.

28:48Meredith, what was your reaction when you saw Whitney, Mary, and Bronwyn express their concerns about your mood swings. Anyone who doesn't remember, this is when they went to lunch in Greece and suggested they're all terribly worried about Meredith for not remembering what happened on the plane, suggesting that it's got to be some kind of substance abuse problem, no matter how they try and make it sound today. Yeah, Meredith says that, you know, she was sad that they felt concerned, but there was no truth to it. And Andy's like, well, Whitney, you apologize. to Mary for accusing her of abusing substances, but you later doubled down as your own experience with your dad as it related to these things.

29:26So why did you apologize if you didn't mean it? No, I apologize for labeling her that, but I don't apologize for insinuating her as that. Lie-aholic! Lie-popper! And Bronwyn's like, well, none of us were saying that you're an addict. You have mental health struggles, that you're cheating in your marriage. We were just leading the audience there and they could just go the rest of the way and that's it but we were actually saying this is what makes me crazy about the of course you were you guys are such gaslighters just admit what you were doing you were completely insinuating that and you've done it the whole season and andy's like well how do you think it came off on camera and meredith's like well they were making accusations and meredith mary's like no i i wasn't i was just comparing you to my son who is an addict and saying it's the same thing, and that's why I'm worried for you.

30:19And Bronwyn's like, well, I said very clearly that this is how I handle it, and this is how I feel that, you know, if you're an addict, I don't know, I didn't say you were an addict. It's like, well, we don't do things. We're all different people, okay? I'm going to tell all 13 of you right here and right now. I cannot walk a straight line. That's a big group of people that I'm seeing in front of me.

30:45VXYWB are you saying the alphabet backwards? yes I made it to A thank you thank you everyone's like well all we said is we're concerned about you and I didn't make a single accusation I spoke from my own experience honestly what they really have to say is look we're not saying you're any of these things but we're also saying that we have had experience with people who have acted in similar ways and we want to make sure that But since your behavior reminds us of that, we want to make sure that you're not going through something like that. We want to double check because we've all said something like this.

31:18Yeah, like have to say it with your whole chest. I mean, you guys have been insinuating. At least Whitney did earlier, kind of, in her half-assed apology. But at least Whitney's done it. But, I mean, the rest of you, if you're going to go on camera and make these accusations and stand by them and say, I said that you're a pill pot, I think I'm worried about you because you do seem like you're abusing drugs and alcohol. And if you say you're not, then fine. but that's what it looks like to me yeah but this is like i've seen it in my life it looked like this so i'm seeing it in you i don't know whether you are or not but i have to check in because if i don't check in i feel like i'm being irresponsible right and yeah meredith can be like i'm not but instead ronwyn does this thing that she always does and it's like i didn't say that i didn't do that you didn't do blah blah blah she starts denying it and so meredith is like well you did make an accusation about me and she goes well what accusation did i make what did i mean she gets that baby voice and she's like well then my husband was on a date oh no i said at least two or three times i don't know who he was with and it's not my place to say romwin you 100 % insinuated that man you caught that man cheating on her in a restaurant in new york stop it and she goes and you haven't seen where todd and i both said there's no way that that's what's going on but what we both said oh so are you saying you're saying uh production cut that out so are you you're blaming production for her not seeing that oh i see okay so it's okay for you but what we both but we both said is that todd was out and one of you had seen todd that that would have been what was run with and i'm so defensive about my marriage well i mean that's a fine point to make but that wasn't the point you were making yeah and that's what i'm concerned and like you know here's something that might be going on which is that i saw todd with a woman it was not like you know this is bullshit because i saw todd with a woman and i don't even think he's cheating but i know if todd I'm sorry, I saw what's-his-face Seth with a woman.

33:04And I don't even think Seth's cheating, but I know if Todd were a woman, then I'd be getting it from all sides. But that's not what she was saying at all, at all. It was not the context of it. And Meredith is like, well, I've never said anything about Todd Bronwyn. I don't even know who Todd is. Who's Todd? I wasn't even listening. No, but you've sat idly by while your bestie has over and over and over again. And it wasn't a problem that my marriage was talked about until this one talked about your marriage. Well, this is a different point. Not a terrible point either. I have to say, but this is a totally different point than what Bronwyn was bringing up.

33:36It's deflection from what Bronwyn actually did. Meredith never did that to you. And you did that to Meredith, period. And now you're trying to make it like, oh, Brittany did it. Yeah, but you did it too. And you did it after Brittany did it. So you know how bad it was and you still did it. So she was like, well, you didn't do it. You didn't stand up for me with your bestie. And Meredith is like, well, then I ever contribute to saying anything about your marriage. And she's like, no, but you didn't contribute to stopping it. oh my god then we're all fucking guilty for forest fires because we didn't bring out a hose well she's basically saying you're taking this righteous stand about marriages but you didn't take this righteous stand when my marriage was involved it's only when your marriage was involved you know well if meredith had taken a stand against bronwyn having a righteous stand about her marriage being talked about then that would have been the same thing but this isn't the same thing meredith meredith's relate meredith's marriage was attacked two times and she has the right to take a stand and the fact that someone's being like well it's fine when someone else does it to me yeah she didn't do it to you so amen why didn't you take a stand for meredith i mean you were just like todd was just accused of making out with a girl while farting and you don't like that at all so meredith is like but meredith is very funny because she's like well i didn't jump in because you were handling it i mean why would i speak up in that moment you made it very clear that i don't the problem is like you know what meredith because I thought we were fucking friends and that's why.

34:57And you want to get into the you and me not being friends or being friends or I'm just your fucking assistant. Let's get into that because I'm sure that's what's next. Right, Andy? You have that next. Okay, we're going to go there next. All right. Judy from Judy Town asks, what's the situation with you and Meredith? Well, thank you for asking that because I'm going to answer it right now. You're kind of taking over. That's right. I am taking over, Andy, because I'm the host now. All right? Because you don't think you asked me to do much, just report back to you on what all my conversations were with everyone and then just sit there and eat shit when you wow me in front of everybody else and then be like, oh, that was off camera.

35:30We can never prove it. Convenient, Meredith.

35:35So, okay, so Meredith is like, well, I didn't say we didn't have a conversation in my room. We did. We just had a disagreement about what was said. Meredith, I've gone and I'm going to tell you this honestly, Meredith. I valued our friendship. Like when I suggested that your husband was cheating on you and that you were an alcoholic and then said that you had me to your room and screamed my head off and threatened me with a knife and she's like you know and i would love for us to be friends but today you what you are not going to do is you were going to question the statement of bullshit with me and we are not going to do it and we have gone to come to meredith or brumwin conversation about what happened and all of us have to sit here and have hard conversations and why are you above it sit the fuck down and talk through it with us she's having the conversation she's calling you a liar for what you're accusing her of in the conversation while you deflect and lie about what you actually said in the other conversation well i'm not a bummer just don't don't talk to me that way don't talk to me that way oh i absolutely will you talk to me that way when i came to your room rage raging and raving that this was all happening oh so now she was ranting and raving at you and going crazy in the room.

36:47Lots of up. You've just upped that story. Before it was she asked you what happened at lunch and now she was ranting and raging at you and screaming at you. Okay. Well, I told you to sit the fuck down. I never said you to sit the fuck down. No, Meredith, but you scared me into your stink. You were yelling at me. You were yelling at me. I was not yelling. First of all, there were two people there. Why would I make a scene when there's two? I'm outnumbered. You and your sister. meredith it's enough come on okay meredith said she never asked you about the lunch and meredith says we did have a conversation about the lunch but i didn't ask her you did ask me and i didn't want to tell you what happened at our lunch because that was the lunch that i was adding your husband for having an affair that he didn't have and calling you an alcoholic which i think is funny i mean we have to remember that this conversation happened right after this lunch where bromwin did all that so bromwin was the one guilty at that lunch and then she's coming back and like so she doesn't want to tell her what happens at lunch so she wakes up and turns it into this big thing that meredith was abusing her by trying to get her gossip out no you were talking shit and you didn't want to be caught and now you're deflecting so meredith says well i just how was your lunch you know i didn't say what was everyone saying i didn't ask what anyone said i don't care i don't care that's just like that and that's what you're not getting i don't care ron and he's like ron do you feel used by meredith and meredith what's your response to her feeling used by you so i'm not using you and i'm not trying to gain anything from you at all so well you didn't gain the upper hand when i said to you that there's an accusation about you that i feel is a dangerous implication and you volunteered that to me brahwin and you gained the upper hand i mean i'm meredith i'm nikon i already have the upper hand i'm a dj and instead of just being prepared to handle that conversation you deflected from having to answer that by saying that Whitney okay but you Bronwyn is Bronwyn does that too I mean Bronwyn is the one who goes and yaps everything that people tell her in confidence constantly so the fact that she's up here this like how dare you Meredith I told you things in confidence and then you use them against me you do it to everybody on the cast you've literally been yelled at by everyone in this cast for doing this to them I don't get why she's so like how dare you saying something that I told to you in private my god so bromwin basically like then she's also mad because she's like well you put words in my mouth when you talk to lisa and britney about britney and saying you know she's mad that basically bromwin told meredith that um what britney was throwing up on the boat and then meredith told lisa like well i heard that britney was puking everywhere and he's like whatever i just made a joke it's not a joke those are there people on these couches who deal with those addictions stop it stop it i have a problem with that as if you haven't been doing that the whole season you guys come on i know now it's like oh but people who have real problems don't want to hear that yeah but you guys are the ones who've been doing it that's why meredith did it it was like her revenge for you guys doing it to her like what's confusing so whitney's upset because meredith would like not engage with any sort of conversation about whether or not she has issue but then she turns around and just tells lisa implies to lisa that that britney has actually an issue well yeah because britney implied that she had an issue it's like a stupid revenge it's like oh i have a problem i heard she was drunk and throwing up i mean it's fair they brought it britney is the one who brought it into evidence so she's allowed to counter yeah she's allowed to cross so brahman's like well she's like well this is the problem you talk to me off camera or you check me to come to your room and there's no cameras or i see with your hand over your mouth and the sprinter telling Heather, let's talk.

40:26And where I called you and we weren't filming. At least I was like, she said she wanted to talk to you. Like whatever. She's like, no, no, I'd like to jump in. I've been quiet for too long on this. She wanted a one-on-one and I didn't want a one-on-one. I didn't want it because we are a sisterhood. We are a six-on-six sisterhood. Yeah, but that's not an example of Meredith trying to be shady by telling Heather, I want to speak to you one-on-one. She wasn't saying, I want to speak to you one-on-one off camera. She said on camera, I want to speak to you one-on-one. That means I don't want to do it in front of everybody.

40:56And Bronwyn's like, how dare you? This is another example of you trying to manipulate. So Meredith is like, well, that's 100 % true. I did want to get resolution with Heather. And every time I tried in the group, everyone was yelling and screaming and I couldn't. Well, that feels very convenient to me. It feels like you can do stuff off camera when it comes up on camera. You say that's not what I said and that's not what happened and no one can prove it. well brawling in case it didn't land because i feel like we got sidetracked i would never want you to feel that i was using you i'm not using you i'm sorry that it came off that i was and i want to be very clear i don't want you to feel that way and i'm sorry and to quote your mother's t-shirt everything's okay everything's okay frazzled cat so brawling's like yeah sure i I accept the apology.

41:47I had my scene. I'm done. We can wrap this up. So Andy is, Andy asked Angie why she wanted Stella to write a play. And Angie's like, I thought it'd be good for people to see ourselves. That's, you know, whatever. Outside of ourselves. And Andy's like, well, Lisa, you had, you two had an emotional moment after the play. It seems like you two bicker like sisters, but you always come back like sisters. What's your relationship been like? Well, oh my God, Andy, you know, when I saw Angie at the Us Weekly shoot, oh my god what an honor what an honor like i went right off to her and i felt like this i could just be like so myself with her and i just like went up to her and i was like hey this really bugs me because i was hanging out with ben affleck and i didn't have anyone to tell it to so now i can tell it to you and this doesn't bug me anymore because i can get off my chest i got to speak to ben affleck angie i just felt like such a soft spot for her in that moment you know what i love angie because we have talks you know like i've told her like i love hamburgers i love diet coke i love french fries and then she could like turn on me and like hurt my feelings and hurt my feelings you know like i want to resolve and move forward but it's like a hamster on a wheel it's like a hamster on a wheel who doesn't even know blake lively and i'm just like i'm dizzy i'm dizzy so um uh so mary's like well what did you what did you what did angie say that you heard that you didn't like and lisa's like well she said that i'm ruining the show and like and i'm not this and i'm not that and all but i was like well sometimes it's hard to be your friend because i feel like your expectations can be unreal because you are not greek it's it's hard to be your friend because you expect your friends to not go on podcasts and say that you should be fired from the show it's really it's really that's a really huge expectation to have of your friends and she's Like, yeah, but you know what?

43:39Like, my expectation is, like, let's laugh together, you know? Like, let's talk about, like, how good our hair and how bad Brittany's hair is, you know? Like, I make a concerted effort to go deeper with you, Angie. Like, I talk to you about emotional things. Like, when Wendy's changed its french fries and sensitive things. About, like, when I tried a white chocolate Kit Kat and it didn't really work for me. You know, and everything, like, it felt like we talk about God, our kids, Louis, Fatan, your mom, experiences. you know real things so for me when we're friends i just feel like we're really friends like it's not superficial but you talk about superficial but you sometimes do lead with your stuff and like who you are and you love things but you have another side of you that is like very lovable and i want to see that more yeah you say that but i really don't i really don't are you saying you don't have another side that's lovable no no no i'm saying i don't talk about my material things like for instance when I was at this party with like Ben and Blake and I had this like amazing Chanel bag with me I was like look at me I'm lovable I'm relatable right I like that Andy's like you know you're superficial sometimes I mean I have five Porsches I got like the first one so I've had the first Porsche so whatever so basically Angie's like look yeah you do have like you have this wonderful side of you but you also get really defensive because you sort of get wrapped up in the material stuff and she goes but look at our conversations the proof is in the pudding the pudding that they now sell at wendy's what a great addition to the menu i want to move forward with you i just don't want to go backwards there's no point i'm going backwards oh it's so tit for top okay let's go forward let's go forward my little scorpio oh yeah so they decide they're going to move forward because we're nearing the end here people so and he's like okay we're back with final thoughts i want to close on a positive note let's go around and say what we learned this season and the answers are bizarre mary's like it's important to see yourself put out energy that you want to receive and whitney's like um failure is the universe or god redirecting you guys are not supposed to be reading off instagram like pop psychology like thirst quotes like what are you reading.

45:50Yeah. And Brittany's saying, I just, you know, I've learned to be patient. Good things will come for people who are patient. Like, what are you patient over? And Angie is, you know, she's learned about acceptance and Meredith is like, well, I've learned that Crazy Rich Asians is a more complicated film than I originally thought and I really owe it another viewing. If you're going to pop a pill, do it in the privacy of your own room. Oh my gosh. Did we, I think we didn't, I think we may have missed the part where, um, I think we come back from break and there's this like little spread of Greek food on the table in front of them.

46:31And Brittany's like, Oh my God, I can't wait to eat. I've been eyeing those chocolate covered cherries all night. And Angie goes, those are olives.

46:44I mean, like one of the, she thought olives for chocolate covered cherries

46:54well andy i don't know if i really learned this but it really became crystal clear to me that the best moments of my life have been with you guys and also the darkest hey why are you looking at me you're spray tan it's really really dark lisa oh okay it's it's natural though the sun loves me. I'm sorry. Get mad at the sun. Well, I can give it to all these women. When I say that, I can give it to all these women. I really can. I guess I just want to say how much I truly love and cherish our friendships even if you are gaslighting me. But the highs and lows of them, when we have fun, we really do have fun.

47:34When we love each other, we really do. And when we leak to the press, I still love you despite the fact that you're a duplicitous bitch that's just who i am um you know sometimes i learn that um change is negative and it means there's been a failure or an ending or something you did wrong and change can be a good thing and change has to start with me and so i'm changing everybody in my life and i'm changing the way i show up on some of these friendships and i have to change the way i interact with my own mom and maybe tawn and i have to be good with quinn doing the change in her own life she's not going to grow Okay.

48:10Okay. All right. Lisa, what have you learned? Um, well, intake. It's really important. Intake. You can't go to a doctor without answering their questions. Yeah. When you set up an air conditioner, you can't block that intake. Otherwise, you don't get the cold air. Yeah. If you have french fries, but you don't give them intake, you can't digest them. All right. Well, for our final toast. We have some baklava here. Who wants some baklava? Brittany, it does not mean you've got lava on your back. Oh, God, I was so worried there for a moment. Okay. Well, Mary's like, I can't have sugar, Andy. I'm not going to eat it, but it looks delicious.

48:55So I just want to congratulate all the fat people here for just being so bold. Go, fat people. Enjoy your baklava. So they do a baklava toast, which that made me want to have baklava. Quite frankly, I may have to source some later today. And that concluded... I don't know why it made me laugh that Meredith was really enjoying her. She was like actually eating it and being like, hmm, baklava's cool. The layers of phyllo are really distinct and delicious. The ratio of honey and walnuts is really perfect. Yeah. So thanks for the season in Salt Lake City. I think overall a pretty good season. I got a little frustrated at the end, but that's kind of natural for me.

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