#3196 Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris Part One

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2:18And they're just all these things from nine months ago that we just blatantly forget about. And it's so fun revisiting them all, um, with everyone's suggestions. So, you know, we're going to get the sorting house out after this, and we're going to get some, the categories ready and, um, it's gonna be a fun one this year. That's for sure. But today we are going to be doing, um, a bit of a two for one special on the podcast because we've got Karen's big interview, her jailhouse interview, post jailhouse, meaning jail comma house interview and, uh, married to medicine. You know, the Karen interview was really fun to watch.

2:56It was really interesting. Uh, but it wasn't really like enough for a full recap. Could you imagine? And then Karen was like, I'm an alcoholic, but I don't want to say it. I mean, it's not, this doesn't really have the, it's just not quite like the recap stuff, but, um, I mean, we could definitely want to talk about it. Why? So we could subject you guys to that, but, you know, let's all do ourselves a favor today. So basically, we opened this Karen interview with her coming out of jail, which we saw last week at the end of the finale. Her coming out of jail and just wearing, you know, like a scarf on her head and looking traumatized from wearing acid wash jeans.

3:36And then in the car ride, she's like, roll down the window, roll down the window. And he rolls it down with the GoPro on there. Karen's like, hello. Hello, purple panda pants. It's me, Karen. I'll see you at the tally ho, darling. And then rolled it back up and was like, I hope that was enough. I hope that was enough for the throngs of fans who appeared to say hello to me, that queen, Karen, you got. Roll it up. Roll it up. Okay, roll it down. Roll it down. No, no, no. I don't like this person. Roll it back up again. Okay, well, halfway. Halfway. Cookies there. Cookies there. Cookie. Cookie. Do we have a cookie for cookie?

4:14No? Okay, roll it up, roll it up. Oh, oh wait, look, there's the man from the tally-ho. He's got a waffle. Okay, roll it down just slightly so we can insert the waffle through, but I don't have to talk to him. Thank you very much. I didn't realize how much I missed Karen's ever-pursing lips until I saw them again. I mean, it's another character on that show. You know, we missed Karen this season, and we also missed the person, constant person. Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. I always got like a little bit of hair in the front of her teeth or like, so maybe something's coming out of her nose. She's like, her deep thoughts, lip purse.

4:54Love it. Yes. It's classic. So that's not really a purse. Is it a purse? It's like, what would you call this? It's, um, it's just like forever getting a piece of forever getting an herb out of your tooth. Maybe like a lip swish. Yeah. swish swash. The mouthwash in the front of your teeth. Yeah. It's like a posterior. I can't stop staring at myself doing that.

5:26You're like, I've missed it all season so I have to make up for it. I'm going to get an entire season of lip switches in here. So Ray and Raven and Karen's sister Bridget are at the house waiting and they're just all sitting there you know and Ray's like well I'm assuming she's just gonna open the door and Raven's like make an entrance I mean she's not gonna ring the bell or nothing I mean I don't ring the bell to my own house right imagine if Karen just came flying through the window like well that was a surprise I mean all our bets were on you coming through the door down the chimney like Santa Claus when did we put real wood in here Ray since when um is it me do you feel like now that Raven has grown up, she's playing a child.

6:10She seems kind of like an actress in a play playing a child. Like someone who's too old to be in the role. And she's like, mommy, mommy, I miss you. She's just got that energy of like a theater kid. Like a Gabriela Carteris sort of thing. I think that's - Yeah, like she was cast in Glee, but she's 30. That's such a good call. Like she's like a big bow in her hair. Like, I'm ready for bedtime, mommy. i miss you so much mommy yeah so she's so funny it's such a specific description and it's so accurate yeah because i just can't believe she's so grown up now i was looking at someone posted pictures of her like uh influencing or whatever and i was like when did she become a little lady you know and kind of like a young ray doing influencer work.

7:03Well, Housewife children always go through some weird time warp where we see them in one season going off to college and there's lots of cries and tears. And then the next season, it's like, well, now that they're graduated, I'm like, how did that happen? It's been nine months, but they somehow graduated college already. Somehow the timelines between, you know, when the show is shot, when it airs, et cetera, especially because like these shows don't always come back on the air an exact one year later, but in our mind, it's like, well, it's been, it's been two seasons, but really three years have passed and they are just like, what?

7:37So now Raven is like 46 years old. I'm like, wait a second. Yeah. But, um, Raven, Raven's cute. They're happy. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Yes. I was saying that she's complimenting Ray's little flowers that, that she got. She goes, Oh my God, I love, she's going to love that. Oh, and the balloons too. and oh my god oh you got the sign and she tells her aunt like yeah you know every holiday dad prints out this fancy 2000s font every time just a all caps arial font with medium weight i don't know why he loves that font but he i know we call him the black bill gates but like he really is attached to those microsoft word fonts isn't he dad aren't you i faxed it it's just like well

8:32very slowly coming the sign is actually a few pieces of paper the first is a cover sheet yeah one of two you have to like scroll up you have to peel it off to see the actual welcome home sign yeah so he's done that and he's done the husband gift of flowers which means he did something wrong you know so that's interesting and i mean it's cute and everything but he's basically like oh shit karen's home i was surprised he was even here people were like what how come he didn't go to the jail to pick karen up a karen probably didn't want that she probably wanted a solo scene to wave at her fans b you're lucky he wasn't in florida i thought he'd be gone the second she was in in jail he would be in florida now i don't know what the policies are of picking someone up at jail but i know the jail has very strict rules about every single thing and so i would not be surprised if the policy was that one person could pick you up out of the jailhouse and she's like i want that to be my stylist i choose blue eyes i choose blue eyes actually it's probably there probably is a limitation of how many people it can be so you needed someone there to mic her up you need someone there to style her that was it she's like well unfortunately ray you're not gonna have me be tv ready so you'll have to stay home and wait for me i'll see you soon keep the window open yeah so she has her hair and braids and um she tells them that the girls in jail were so sweet to her and they didn't want her to leave without hair so they all took part of their own hair their own extensions and put it on her which is so sweet it's like community i don't know it's like it's very it's like a can drive it's like a can drive but hair anyone who likes karen just leave some hair in a box we'll braid it onto her head well it's like when i see chicago i'm like i know jails aren't really like that but then when karen tells that story i'm like are the jails like that were they all doing like the tango in there and being like giving you like here's a lock of hair lock of hair for your man like i just imagine it was a part of a big musical number that just never made it into the actual yeah it's female jails women you know it's because it's fucking women thank god you know thank god for women and people always wonder why gay guys only want to hang out with women this is why okay yeah this This is why, because women know how to take care of each other.

10:48Look at all the women we've seen to go to jail, not only on Bravo, but in the past decade. Look at, we've seen a lot, right? They come out happy. They all come out like I have, they have great stories. They've got friends. Martha Stewart had ponchos. Teresa learned yoga or some shit. I mean, they all know, they all have great stories. The guys come out not knowing when they're farting anymore and being traumatized. That's how the guys go. I want to go to girl jail. Look at all these wealthy women. Look at all these wealthy women who come out happy from jail. Well, that's true. But I mean, it's, it's, well, I'm trying to think of someone not healthy.

11:23No, I agree. I have to imagine, I have to imagine based on gross generalizations and stereotypes that like women in jail, like there's, it's probably rough and tumble, but also like there's probably a level of nurturing that, that, you know, us men are, it's just for the men to be like buttfucking. It's like here. it's just straight up knock out before you leave let's butt fuck one more time it's like knock out your teeth to make my to make my sex smoother just be done with it you know but yeah and women take care of each other and yeah and i'm not to disregard the privilege that goes into that obviously but yeah well but i mean carol's actually not she was not at camp cupcake or anything like that like she was doing real time she was in cataract but i do agree i think i mean let's let's be honest women are better than men at all times right like we acknowledge that right We acknowledge and we understand it and we accept it.

12:14But Karen's like, yes, they put the braids in. I think it's just so beautiful. It's so beautiful. Now, give me about 35 minutes while I go tear these things out and get a shower. Karen trying so hard to say how beautiful it is while in her mind. She's like, I have other women's hair in my head right now. Please let me erase this experience. I am ready to put an end to it. Thank you. I'm going to go soak in disinfectant. I'll be back. So she goes up and soaks. And then, oh, and she's telling Ray, oh, Ray, we finally got to date again in prison. Just me and Ray. Which, I don't know. I think she's got like the Lisa Barlow amount that she listens to Ray.

13:03Where this like forced her to not be on the phone or, you know, scrolling or, you know, drunk. and had to like just sit there and like stare at Ray across the glass, you know. And Ray's like, well, you look great. I'm welcome home. By the way, we got you a little balloon and some flowers. Oh, thanks, Ray, for the little balloon. Could you maybe have gotten like a lobster? I mean, at least something. We know she liked legal seafood. At least get some like clams or something. Like I think you could do more than a little balloon, Ray. I felt so too. I thought it was kind of a lame gift. I mean, you know, it's not like you're supposed to be rewarded coming out of jail.

13:39But I mean, something, you know, I mean, you get your teeth pulled and you get a fucking frosty at least. I mean, something. Get a big balloon. Something. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial.

13:54Raven's like, Mom, before I do my social studies homework, I want to point out that dad printed out his font. You know, his favorite font. That one. They just show the thing again. It's like, welcome home. All caps, Arial font. Yeah. and she's like, well, Ray still has inkjet. That's good to know. Ray, wow, me and Ray dating again. Me and Ray. It was fun watching you try to do Morse code on the window. I remember just having to say, Ray, it's a phone. It's a cell phone. Well, I hadn't seen one like that in so long. What do you mean we still have one like that in our kitchen, Ray?

14:33I just remember season one ragging on everything in Karen and Ray's house because it was all the old-fashioned version, like the fax machines. And what was the other thing? It was like corded phones. A huge clock cordless. It was actually a laser disc player. Yeah. Okay, so Andy comes over, which is big for Andy to come all the way to Potomac and drive. I know. Yeah, so he comes and he doesn't look thrilled. He's like, hey, Karen. I have children so let's get this over with alright yeah so he walks in and he says hi to everyone how are you wow let me lay eyes at my friends so Karen makes her like she's all that entrance down the staircase like I was expecting to hear the kiss me another zeddy she doesn't have the sunglasses she doesn't have the glasses anymore and the braids she's like pretty and so sorry not to say the braids make you unpretty.

15:35I'm just saying like, yeah, I know. I know that sounded so wrong. I apologize. Um, but she's all glammed up and everything. She comes down and Andy's like, Whoa, wow. Good to see you're home. You are home right now. Wow. This is your home, right? Are you renting it? Well, don't make me cry. And don't make me cry. And my face for you a little bit. We just, all the ladies in the jail gave me a one eyelash and I've stuck them into my eyes right now. So when you look at me, you're looking at a sisterhood.

16:06Sister hot eyelashes, Andy. I have a seat. I've set it all up for us. Before they go in the living room, though, they go in the dining room, and Karen's son is there. Karen's son is a good-looking guy. Andy's like, whoa, who is that? Why have you been hiding from our cameras? Whoa, get over here. What was it like when your mom was gone? Uh-huh, uh-huh. Did you have to do a lot of push-ups? Hey, how's you working out a lot? Let's see your progress. Okay, you want to take off that shirt right now? Okay. All right. Well, it looks like our time is done here, Karen. Great interview. Wow. Karen left for county jail and she came back to Bonertown.

16:43Wow. Yeah. He was just like, Andy could not stop staring at Karen's son. It was so funny. Yeah. So he's there and Andy's like, why do you want to be on TV? He's like, because you ruin lives. Thanks. Thanks for asking. Would you like would you I'm sorry I'm sorry I don't have anything to offer you would you like to eat this piece of paper with 2020 font on it please make yourself know so we get started with this interview I mean I think for the most part without getting too granular I didn't really know what to expect and by that I mean of course I knew exactly what to expect she gave a little bit more than I thought she would I'd figured Karen would just show up with zero accountability at all you You can tell she's been told, like, Karen, you've got to take some accountability.

17:32There's no escaping this. And she's very much like, here I am, me, Karen Huga, ready to take accountability. Whatever this. Okay, fine. Let's do this. Am I an alcoholic? Of course not. Of course I'm not an alcoholic. I have a disease called addiction to pills that are prescribed only by a doctor for happiness, Andy. Because, you know, I've gone through trauma. I've gone through trauma, Andy. That's a bad start. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I was okay with it. I thought that she was fairly accountable. I mean, look, we've seen Karen on the air for like 10 years. And this is a woman who's never been even close to accountable for anything she's ever done.

18:15It's always a very slippery answer for everything. So she was, I think, being pretty upfront and acknowledging things that in her last season, she was literally not even able to address without having some sort of meltdown. So the fact that she was. What I mean is that she, you know, the way that she worded it, you know, and the way the way that she worded, like, it's not really alcoholism. I don't call it that. I call it, you know, she's trying to say it's like the pills, which were Prozac and stuff like that. They were antidepressants, which can, you know, I did my some research on it. People can abuse those, but generally they don't.

18:50I mean, generally you abuse, you abuse alcohol and and drugs. I mean, prescription drugs, sure, but not like Prozac type things. But it has been done. But the fact that she is like holding on to that because she doesn't want to say she's an alcoholic. And I kind of understand that. You know, it's kind of the Shannon Bedore thing of not really wanting to say you're an alcoholic because you are in a world where everybody's drinking. And once you say you're an alcoholic, that's it. I mean, you're unless you're Craig Conover. Right. Which case you can do whatever you want. But generally you say you're an alcoholic and that's it.

19:22So I was a little worried at the beginning of this that she was going to start skirting around and using language that not only kind of gives her an excuse because she was like, well, I had to take the antidepressants because my parents died and I had to take the, you know, and then I had to take the she's she's using like real stuff and kind of still using that as an excuse. In other words, is what it kind of sounded like at first. Yeah, I didn't really I have to say it didn't really bother me. I didn't even mind that she didn't want to say that she was an alcoholic because I do actually think that when you're a public figure on these shows, you have to like give yourself some wiggle room in case, in case like you do like go the Luann route, which is like, yes, I had a problem with alcohol.

20:04I've figured out how to drink, you know, in, in moderation without like being a danger, et cetera. Um, and so she doesn't want to close off any avenues, but also like Karen is the master of like the rebrand. She won't even call herself 60. It's her, it's her triple 20, you know, like it's almost like I would expect nothing less of Karen Huger than to come up with like, I'm not an alcoholic. I'm just someone who deals with alcohol and likes to lick things. So I'm an alcohol licker, but not an alcohol lick. You know, it's like that kind of thing. Like I expect that from her. So, and I don't know, to me, you know, based on the trauma in her life, it's serious trauma.

20:48So it's like, to me, it makes sense if like her storyline to me or how she described how she got to where she was from point A to point B from when she was 19 to now, you know, makes sense to me. And I understand it. And it seems like she was being, for me, I felt very satisfied. Not that it's up to me to be satisfied or not satisfied with her explanation of how she got to this point. Okay. So she starts going on about, basically, it's a lot of questions about alcoholism and stuff like that. She does say that Andy plays her clips of the girls at the reunion, Ashley being like, well, I was on the train here.

21:29I forget how ham-fisted or how ham-handed Ashley is with her house rivalry. But when she's like, well, I was on a train coming up here, Andy. And let me tell you, I sat by this guy and we talked about me being on the show. And then he said, oh, I know that woman. She used to get drunk at this legal seafood every day. And I would wait on her. Oh, wow. Well, what a coincidence. Ashley just happened to be on a train with this guy who remembers Karen from, you know, 40 years ago or whatever. And so Karen confirms it. She says, Ashley is correct. You know, I was drunk all the time at the legal seafood, but it was 20 years ago.

22:08Yeah. Yeah. I love that gossipy waiter. Just holding on to that on a train. Like he just remembered it 20 years later. Like, oh yeah, I remember her. Just such a funny place to just get drunk at every day. Like legal seafood. What a delicious manifestation of your struggles is that you're like, well, I get drunk every day, but I also have a wonderful bowl of clams. I get illegally drunk at the legal seafood. Also, Andy's just holding up this laptop. He's like, ha, ha, ha. You know, it's still so messy as always. And then I don't know if anyone else felt this way, but when he was done showing the clips, he put the laptop on the ground by his chair.

22:49And it was there for several cutaway shots. I was like, is someone going to strike this laptop? When are we going to get rid of this laptop? And then he showed some more clips, and then someone took it away. But I was honestly a bit distracted by the laptop on the floor. There was some talk about the body cam footage, which became viral when Karen was arrested. Because this was when she was like, I'm not drinking. And they're kind of saying that there's someone else. Like, I wasn't even driving. And they're like, what? Well, if you weren't driving. And then Ashley brings that up. You know, well, she said there was the I heard someone else was in the car and Karen insists that nobody else was in the car.

23:26This footage was cray cray. We talked about it when it first came out. It was nuts. I mean, I'm Thomas. Do you know who I am? Thomas Jefferson's concubine, you know, just completely, completely unhinged, unhinged. Now, we're got crazier, you know, because we've all seen that, I'm sure. But she's like, well, I didn't even watch that film and I didn't allow Ray to watch it. And listen, trust me, Ray does what I tell him. He's wanted to see Moana for years. I won't let him do it. She's just so cute. But, you know, I didn't have input from my husband, and I didn't know, I couldn't relate to what my lawyers were telling me because I just knew I was in a video that went viral.

24:01And I said, let's just look at the positive, boys. So that's why I didn't take the plea deal, which is crazy. Yeah. And I don't know that I believe that. I mean, really? No one watched that? Karen, everybody watched that video. I'm sorry. I believe for one second that Karen did not watch it and that Ray did not watch it and that the lawyers didn't make them watch it. And the lawyers, even if she didn't watch it, the lawyers didn't say, yeah, you called yourself Thomas Jefferson's concubine and literally said, I'm lit. As you got out of the car, you need to take a plea deal. Someone told her. I fully believe that she did not watch it.

24:38I don't think Karen, like Karen facing reality has never been one of her strong suits. she's never been able to you know um really really see herself in the mirror it seems i mean she always has some sort of you know slippery story about why x y and z happens so i fully can understand and i fully believe that she would not have seen i think if she had seen that video i think she would have acted very differently on the last season but i think she was just like Whatever. I don't want to see myself drunk. I know I was drunk. What do I have to see? I'll just fight this. But I do believe her lawyers watched it.

25:22And I bet they were banging their head against the wall. I mean, look, I disagree, but I will agree with you on one thing. And that is the Karen delusion. I think she watched it because there's no way that Karen is not going to watch herself on a viral video. Sorry. There's just no way that she's going to be like, I'm getting millions of views and I'm all over the news. I'm not going to watch myself. I don't believe it. But I think that she probably did watch it and was like, what's so bad? Whatever. That's not so bad. I'm like, I look great. It was fantastic. It was funny. It went viral. I'm a star.

25:54They'll never, there's no way with everything going on in the world, there's worse things happening. This was nothing. I'll get off. So I do think, I mean, I do agree with the delusion. I just, I just have a hard time believing that she. you think that like who knows the truth we're not there you think so basically where we stand is that you feel like her narcissism was strong enough that she of course watched the video and i felt like her delusion outranked her narcissism where she couldn't even still watch it so that's basically no i think yeah i think her narcissism made her watch it but her delusion made her think that it was going to be okay because like if you think about it these ladies are sloppy all the time you know on these shows and they're shocked when i mean dorinda was shocked when she was, you know, exorcised from Real Housewives of New York for being so vilely bitter and drunk.

26:43It's like, you guys have been praising me for years for being bitter and drunk. And now you're going to kick me off? Like, how does this make any sense? And it's because it just went too far. And I think that there's a disconnect there. It's like, well, this has always been entertaining to people and now it's too much. Like, what the hell? Yeah. She also talks about how her relationship with Ray is, you know, constant work in progress, AKA not good. Um, and he had told her at one point, like, look, as you work on yourself, if you realize that you need to, uh, leave me and, um, that's, that's okay.

27:21I give you my blessing. Just give me a heads up because, um, uh, tickets are to Florida are really expensive. And then the sooner I can get ahead of that, uh, more months in advance before I can move to Florida. Just let me know, Karen, okay? But if you want to leave, it's okay. It's okay. You can leave. And she says that the day that she was drinking, she was just trying to get away because she says that, like, we were going through it. I was unhappy. The kids were gone. The house was a tomb. Just dead fax machines everywhere. Very sad. Needed to get away. Need a drinky boo. Can't think of all those old technologies that just clutter our living room.

28:00Yeah. she talks about how 20 years ago you know her kids felt that there was a problem and she got her first DUI and um she goes through everything that she was you know having trouble with and that she went to the doctor and her kids thought she had a problem but the doctor was like oh no you're fine here just take these pills and she won't name the pills because she doesn't want to get sued by big pharma um so but she says it was an antidepressant and and he's just like uh you Can't say what it was. Nope. Benzos. Nope. Can't say. Do you have any right now? They sound great. Do you have any in your purse still?

28:39So he's like, you know, when you said at the time you were under the influence, how did that manifest itself? Like, how much were you drinking? And she's like, oh, well, it's not so much that I was drinking, Andy. It was the pills. It was the pills that the doctor gave me. So there's like a hint of skirting here still. and he's like well you're saying that you know you're talking about alcoholism but you're also saying that the drink wasn't calling you and she's like well it didn't call me that night what i'm saying is i was running from home so she talks about all that stuff as you said and then um he says well you did it four times i mean this was your fourth dui and she's like well let's talk about that.

29:21Well, I drank. I drank in the past and I drove and I had a DUI, two DUIs, not four. Okay, let's be clear. Very, very clear. Two of the times I was drinking and driving and two of the times I had a drinking and driving under the influence. Very different, Andy. They're very, very different. Two DUIs and two DWIs. Very different letters. Okay. I was wondering if that's what she meant because it used to be DWI, right? And then they changed it to DUI. So I'm wondering if she was just using that as being like, no, there were no two DUIs. There were two DUIs and two DWIs. Here's the thing. There's two DUIs but unfortunately I was so DUI that the two DUIs look like four DUIs but it's really just two.

30:10But, um... I was just so drunk that I saw two was four. But yeah, she basically, she says that, yeah, like she, she, she, it sounds like what she's, she's, Andy clocks her a bit for saying, she's constantly talking about going to NA and pills, whatever. And he's like, it doesn't seem like you're really talking about the alcoholism very much or having a trouble, a struggle with, with alcohol. alcohol and she's saying, no, I do, I do, I do. But NA is really like where I'm focusing. And it was the pills that really did it. She's really kind of emphasizing the pills more than the booze, which in my mind, the way I read it is like, if you see me drinking on future seasons, don't come at me.

30:54Okay. Cause it was the pills. That was the issue. That's what I think she's trying to do. And it took her pretty much the whole hour to get to the, okay, well fine. It's a lifelong problem with alcohol. It's a disease and I'll never drink again like it really took her a long time to get to that point because she was trying to skirt you know all of this and be like no no na is my thing na is my thing not aa and so um she was like you know i just wanted to go in there and lead the classes and she said i actually led the na class and the aa class and he's like oh forgive me but uh you're in there for a dey so like why the fuck would you be leading the class basically and she was like well you know because before I was sentenced, I got the treatment.

31:36And, you know, I'm a quick learner, so I just took that and I took it and I helped the children. I helped the children in jail, Andy. And I taught them about Potomac etiquette as well, you know, as long as I was there. Why not? It is difficult to believe a thing that Karen says. I'm sorry. I'm like, what? You were leading? What? Come on. Well, tell me about your first night in jail. That's got to have been pretty scary before you learned you could teach classes about things you nominally knew about. Yes, well, and it was very scary. I had a metal toilet. And I was thinking to myself, how many people have sat on this thing?

32:09So there were young women who were going through menstruation and I said, oh, I'm going through menstruation issues. Please, please help me. And they basically gave her like maxi pads or something and she lined her toilet with maxi pads and that's how she made her little throne. She said she would take like eight or nine maxi pads to line the toilet with. How clogged up was that toilet? You know there's not strong flushers in jail. I wonder how many times she clogged up that toilet. I know. I mean, also, like, she would have to, like, it's a lot of maxi pads you have to go through to keep that fresh, keep that throne fresh.

32:51Andy was like, let's talk about your homecoming a little bit. There was a lot of talk about your outfit that you wore when you were released because this is what matters the most. How did you look? So how did you decide what you were going to wear? Did Ray bring that to you? Did Raven bring it to you? Who brought that? Did a deer bring it to you? What's going on with that? Let me be very clear. I had deer clothes on. I was in a jumpsuit. What? You did? Oh, my God. Yes. It was beige. And I may not wear beige for a good while now. I'm traumatized by beige. He's like, you're in beige right now. And sure enough, she was wearing a beige outfit.

33:30She goes, no, this is not beige. This is blush. Please, I will never wear beige again. But it was a cute jumpsuit. But, you know, Tatiana came by and she brought me clothes, large jeans, and a little do-rag. And I skedaddled on. And he's like, okay, well, so what do you miss the most about prison? Hmm, let's see. Well, oh, I'm sorry. What did I miss the most while I was in prison? Is that what you meant to ask, Andy? I'm sure he's like tell me what was the best part of prison yeah and she's like well I miss holding Raven's hand I took a picture of Raven's hand and all that you know she stripped down she saw greys and she's like you may see me with white hair soon I'm like Karen I hate to break it to you but you did do the platinum blonde wig thing for a whole season so she's like you'll see my hair in a color you've never seen before white and so she talks about seeing her hair um her hair gray and stuff like that and um she was basically where was i don't know where it is in here it's it's a lot of it's a lot of interview but there was one point where um hold on what was i going to say it was very important it was very important and i'm losing it because i'm seeing all this no you go you go talk about the breakfast no i was just i wasn't sure i just was throwing that out there because she had to wake up at 4 30 and have breakfast at five and then in bed by nine etc just sounds awful to me she they served her crab meat and chicken but she wouldn't eat the dirty bird just the crab meat i was like they serve crab in jail well he's i know i thought that too i was like wait a minute she's like it was terrible crab lobster beignets eggs benedict i mean andy terrible um damn it i was gonna i I remembered it and then I forgot to talk about alcoholism.

35:25It's about raving. Oh, it was about when Andy was like, so wasn't it rough? Were you in gen pop? And she's like, oh, well, let me tell you. They were trying their best to give me celebrity treatment, Andy. They wanted to put me in the tower, the highest tower where the celebrities go in county. And I said, no, I will go to general population. I insist on going to general population to help the youth. It's like, oh, OK, OK. so you requested to be in general population i'm sure and then she told she was telling the girls because she was trying to help the younger girls in there and she was saying things like um it's me karen huger now listen it took me three decades to get to this point what are you doing here 20 i was like i don't know that that's coming off the same way you know you know i'm like a five wick candle they're a single wick and i said you gotta earn you gotta I earn wicks to lose wicks.

36:20You know what I'm saying? And they would just sort of look at me in the face and they said, are you still drunk somehow? And I said, yes, I am. Drunk off of crab booze. I've got a crab moonshine operation going on. Just put that crab meat through the maxi pad and see what comes out and ferment it. And next thing you know, you got that hooch.

36:38I learned how to make moonshine, Andy. That's correct. Out of maxi pads and gumption. All right. My new business. I think that might signal that we are done here. Can your hot zone come out one last time? No. Yes, I've got dollar bills in my hand. Get over here. But yeah, it's basically, you know, she is ready to go to the reunion. She's ready to face questions. There's some drama with Wendy because, you know, Andy was saying, well, you know, Wendy was upset that you didn't say anything to her. her um you didn't thank her in your speech at the reunion where you thanked literally everybody even the craft services people you know you thanked everybody except wendy and she said wendy knows why i didn't thank her that's a conversation for me and wendy yes that's right she knows what she did i forgive you and i want to forget you i'm on the hills now so yeah that was it it was it it was, it was an interesting hour and I'm excited for Karen to come back and it'll be so interesting to see how Karen now steps into this cast after this past season of dynamics and shifting, but it'll be great.

38:02And so, and I'm sure she'll have, that's always the thing on these shows. When, when people stop drinking, it's like, Oh, you know, what's this version going to be like? Cause it is a different version. And I don't think Karen was really known as being like a drunk. Like, I don't think her reputation on the show was like, oh, there's drunk Karen, you know, so it probably won't be that different. But that was definitely there. It was there. That was an element. And going into life sober, like to anybody who's ever done it, you know, God bless you. I go into life semi sober. Like I stopped a lot.

38:33I stopped drugs. So that was good. And then I stopped drinking for the most part. Like I'll still have a drink every once in a while. But I'm not like getting hammered all the time like I was. And thank God I was able to do that. But it's very different. You know, you walk into your life, your friends don't really know how to deal with you. Everyone takes it very personally if you don't have a drink when you're out with friends. And they're like, why aren't you drinking? Why are you an alcoholic? What's the problem? It's still an issue to this day. And it's hard. It's going to be a rough road to hoe.

39:01So I'm interested to see how she handles all that. Yes. Commercials. Here comes one right now.

39:13So with that being said, let's shift on down the schedule into Married to Medicine where I don't know if you read the news today, Ronnie, but we have some tragic, tragic developments in the world of Married to Medicine. Did you hear about this? No, what happened? Quad and King. They are done. They are breaking up. Oh, wow. They're broken up. It was confirmed when he wrote on someone's Instagram, yep, I left that situation. So, yeah, another one bites the dust. Sorry, King. Wow. Well, I liked him. I liked him okay. He did show a lot of red flags. But, you know, I can't say I'm terribly broken up about that one.

40:05Although I do like seeing Quad happy. But was she? Yeah. makes me sad for quad but makes me uh happy because i think we both knew on some level that king was not the one for her so that was the big goss that dropped today but for merit to medicine though we are still in the florida panhandle at miramar beach for the girls trip and heavenly has arrived with everyone and uh simone is of course very upset that heavenly is there so jackie sits down with simone and says simone can i validate your feelings i'm like are we in a parking garage are you trying to are you trying to insert her feelings into a machine at pay 250 now you don't have to get your feelings validated but if you bring them to me at a later date it will cost you 20 which is the full full day maximum i'm just concerned because you have been here for more than four hours and it will start to add up now tell me did your feelings buy anything in the gift shop anything at all bottle of water i did buy something at the snack bar oh well unfortunately only the gift shop validates so i cannot validate your feelings right now i do not need validation for my feelings she goes i understand i understand simone and she's like just say what you want, Jackie.

41:28And she's like, well, I understand. But, you know, I just want you to hear me right now. I want you to hear what my glasses are saying to you. And that is, do you understand? I think so. I think what I've heard from your glasses is that at first you're going to be the most amazing friend. But if I stick around too long, you're only going to be kind of okay.

41:57think about it jackie think about it it's a commentary on your song and what it's related to i get it i'd like you to hold space for the lyrics of defying gravity thank you uh now i do want you in heavenly to hear each other so that you can find out the why because i have chosen not to talk to heavenly about it either because i want to hear it you know what i want to hear The Y, the Y's are. And Contessa's like, oh my God, what in the heavenly kinds is going on here? I called you heavenly. And she's like, hey, what's going on? You didn't even know it was my man's birthday. You didn't even know.

42:33How could you not know it was daddy's birthday? It's on everybody's calendar. It didn't pop up on your calendar. Come on, girl. It was my man's birthday night. Everyone knows it's daddy's birthday. It was daddy's birthday. Happy birthday to daddy. It was daddy's birthday. That's what we had to do. so uh contesta's like wow simone is not happy about her being here i mean what am i supposed to do as a host you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna buy balloons and then hand everybody really sharp things and have them diss each other and then explode balloons in each other's faces surely this will calm everybody down that'll be great so heavenly is like i just feel like i need a breaker or breather because there's a lot going on in angel's party and just like a lot like well are you here?

43:17Are you just popping in? It's like, So Jackie's like, there is nothing right about it, but I still think the both of you, who have been friends on and off, need to at least hear the other person. Well, it's just hard to hear. It's not hard. You can do it. Do it for good. Jackie, I will not acknowledge the second part of that franchise. But the giraffes can talk.

43:48i don't know if i understand that just pretend heavenly's a giraffe talk to her talk to her deeply and jackie's like well what i'm not gonna do is say simone you're right heavenly you're right you know somebody is gonna have an opinion you know and heavenly's obnoxious but i know her heart and simone's like oh my god i don't know you know if i talk to her i'll say i don't know what is going on in your life that you think it's okay to talk to me this way she goes that is exactly what you need to say to Heavenly. You're just a girl. A girl in a bubble. Damn it, Jackie!

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