#3206 RHOBH S15E08 Part One: Can’t Have Your Cake and Dorit It Too

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1:39So go check out that link at WatchForCrapins.com or on our social media at WatchForCrapins on Instagram. And then over at Patreon, it's a whole other party going on. We have weekly bonus episodes. We will be talking about last night's episode of the trailers right after today's episode, which we're going to recap Beverly Hills. And we also have a newsletter and add free and video. So it really is the full crappens experience. So do what you want. You know what? You can do as much or as little as you want. But you know what? We encourage you to do the most. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. um but today we are pivoting over to real housewives uh beverly hills which i'm gonna just say it i feel like this was like the first truly good episode of the season i feel like the i feel like the show has come to life at long last what did you think it was a good episode yeah uh rachel came out to play which was nice and she did like crazy housewife stuff where she took someone else's fight and then made it all about herself and she was really upset about it which I loved.

2:42Amanda got kind of put in her place, which was super fun. It was a very Dorit heavy episode, Dorit. And you know, you told me, cause you'd watched this before me and you're like, oh my God, it's a Dorit episode. And it was so funny. The Dorit parts made me laugh so hard. Who knew Dorit would come out, you know, all these years later and be so, I mean, look, we've always found her entertaining cause we just love to make fun of her. I think she's such a fun ding dong, but this, you know, Now, Dorit being all pissed off and divorcing is so funny to me. It really brings out the best in Dorit. Yeah, I think she's doing a great job.

3:19And she's giving us what we need right now as opposed to Kyle. I mean, the whole episode is basically about the fact that Kyle says you should be quiet about the things that are going on in your life. And somehow she's like the center of this franchise. somehow she's like one of the the queen real housewives across all the shows and yet like the thing that she espouses the most the the philosophy she espouses is you shouldn't say that on tv because that could be really bad i mean yes but you're on the real housewives like that mentality went out the door the moment you signed the dotted line but like this also shows one of the one of the ways that this show has been floundering is because you do have this person at the center of it who for the past several seasons has been emphasizing actually i would say like for probably since season two but even more blatantly the past few seasons has been emphasizing keeping the really important stuff quiet and just like talking about stupid things like hats and exercise but this has also brought out a great side of kyle which is the flustered um i don't agree you know when people disagree with kyle how she gets so flustered and And it takes her off her game, which I'm loving.

4:31I'm loving seeing it. And Kyle, also, one thing I used to always make fun of is getting too much Botox. Now, this was, of course, back in the day when I was a youth. And I was one of those who was like, who needs it? I would never. And, of course, now I'm like, get it in my veins right now, immediately. You know, I saw my friend's baby last night. And I was like, when are you starting Botox? Because this baby, you know, when she gets upset, she's going to get wrinkles. So, anyway, I'm fully on that train now. But I used to joke that Kyle got so much Botox that it like paralyzes one of her eyes sometimes because she gets this like cross-eyed thing when she gets mad.

5:05And it was on full display today. The Kyle cross-eye. And I was like, yes, someone finally brought this Kyle back. This is the only Kyle I want on TV. Same. Same. Because that's like Rage Kyle, which we all know is there. But she keeps it wrapped up. And Dorit was able to bring it out. And I was like really happy about it. Because Rage Kyle, I'm not mad at at all. I feel like Rage Kyle is real Kyle, and that's fun. And I just want to circle back to something that you said. This was also my first episode where I was like, okay, I am feeling really good about Rachel Zoe. I mean, it was hilarious that she made it about herself.

5:41But the way she is kind of like the cool girl. She is the cool girl. She's the senior who is very popular. And then when she doesn't like someone, she just sort of rallies the troop and talks about them behind their backs. And I really like that for her. And so I think she's been pretty passive all season. And now she's like, oh, I'm annoyed at someone. And let's talk shit. Well, not only that, but standing up to Kyle and not even blinking an eye, which I really like. She's like, OK, I'll go against Kyle now. It's like, fine. Sounds fun to me, which I really liked for a newbie. And it was the first time I felt like the cast was really solidified as a cast.

6:18And I think it really does help when you just have a common enemy. I mean, that's nothing new. You know, you need a common enemy. We see it on the Valley this week where a couple is actually brought back together because they both hate the same person. And it's just not, you know, that's it's what unites us all, you guys. So it's nice to see. And it's nice to see that it's Kyle. So I really liked it. I did. This was the first episode. I know a lot of the audiences felt this for a long time. This was the first episode. I was like, OK, well, Sutton, your time is coming to an end because you're not really doing anything.

6:51and it's to the point now where everybody else feels very united as a cast and Sutton seems kind of off on the sidelines. And I've always really enjoyed Sutton, but I think it might be Sutton's final season. I was thinking that last night. I was like, let's bring back Sutton Strack and get rid of Sutton Brown because Sutton Brown is not doing it for me. She's just on the corner doing nothing, being very quiet. And what was maybe the point of the season, And maybe why it has slow start was everyone just waiting for Sutton to pop off and be crazy. Was that what was going on? But either way, I mean, the Dorita and Kyle clashing has become one of the more compelling aspects of this show because those are two girlfriends who have totally different fundamental views of what it means to be a girl's girl.

7:39I think we all believe that Kyle is wrong. Kyle is like the shittiest girlfriend. And she tries to actually make herself seem like she's the best girlfriend. And she's not. But, yeah, Sutton has, she has been very retiring this season, and that's not good. It's also a nail in the coffin of the Fox Force 5, which we have been waiting for four years, and it's finally happening. They're finally breaking up, and I love to see it because they've been holding on for a very long time. I mean, Dorit and Kyle had some issues last year, and so it started to kind of get shaky. You know, there have been issues in it, but it seems like it's finally going to break up and we're going to have room for new alliances and stuff, which I love.

8:20I watched this with friends last night and they hadn't even watched the season. They knew who everybody was because they've watched it, but they haven't caught up with the season. And they were even engaged, you know, and sometimes it's tricky watching this stuff with friends who aren't watching because they criticize it. Or they're like, how could you watch this crap? And they were like, oh, wow. You know, Bose has a point. And why is Bose like, what is this powerful person saying things like, how can I keep the man if I don't have the baby? You know, it's nice hearing it from other people, you know, around you.

8:52So even they were engaged. So you know what? It took eight episodes, but well done Beverly Hills. So this shows come the show is coming together. It's very good. So, yeah, we pick up. We are at Dorit and Erica's joint birthday party. and where we had left off last week was Amanda saying that Dorit had verbally accosted her and then Dorit responded by going, woo.

9:22So we sort of come back to that moment where she's like, I'd like to have a conversation with you, Amanda. She goes, well, I need to be able to go to a dinner party and not be verbally accosted. I think that's the word. Woo, woo, woo. That's what I'm learning. Whoa. Seven languages of whoa for you. Yeah. Well, that's how I experienced it. Approached. Look, I'm reading the definition. Approached and addressed boldly and aggressively. That's what you did. You accosted me. Oh, my God. I can't even. Like, I know what accosted means, and this ain't it. All right? This is not accosted. And Erica's like, we can look up our chat GPT assistant, too.

10:02Well, I hope so, because that's the only one you've got left. and buzz is like who does amanda think she's schooling i don't see a single person here who has a notepad on getting ready to write down what she's saying so jennifer's like uh can you guys talk a little bit louder it's a little bit quiet on this side of the table it's hard to hear so um you've stuck me next to the lady with a blow dryer for a purse and the conversation's not very good she's come three times when the waiters come over here Like please move So I like that Jennifer is like I'm not sitting down here with these losers And she gets her chair and just moves it to the other side of the table Yeah, gets right into the mix It's time for a commercial It's time for a Crappens commercial So Dorit's like Do you think that I approached you aggressively?

10:53At this point Jennifer is still complaining She's like I mean they're in Beverly Hills And we're in Calabasas again he's just fanning herself like not even listening to the conversation well i felt hurt and disappointed and i thought you were super super sweet and it took me by surprise when i heard you were saying behind my back amanda behind my back and she's like um i didn't say anything behind your back and you could have just asked me but you didn't just ask me he came up with me of pretty strong accusations and aggression. And then when I told you it was the anniversary of the death of my son, I just wanted to say that again.

11:35Are we ordering dessert yet? Bring the waiter over here. Do you have tiramisu? It is the anniversary of the death of my son. Even when I said that, you didn't stop. You kept going. You kept going. You kept going. Amanda, I'm sorry. I had no idea about the death of your son. Your dog? Your son. Kathy, please. Please. stuff you're not helping she's like but i told you but i said listen i'm very sorry and i just wanted to have this conversation because i had heard it because well i all i did was agree with kyle which is great because push it on to kyle but it's also kind of true kyle was driving that conversation we see a flashback and kyle has a whole thing where she's like well i mean we're talking about how he's parenting and things like that that worries me because there's like no way he's not going to hear about this down the road and it's going to like spark a bigger fight and he may retaliate.

12:26And Amanda goes, yeah, adding fuel to the fire. That's really all she said. And so Dorit's like, Coyle and I have known each other for almost a decade. Her having an opinion is one thing, but you having the same opinion is different. I just agreed with her. God. Well, what did you agree with? She's like, well, if last year speaking about your ex's relationship with alcohol was hard for you guys, then this year speaking about his parenting style could also be hard for you guys. Well, Coyle leading with I don't think she should be doing this is a little peculiar, but that's something with Coyle, and I'll deal with that separately.

13:05Coyle! Coyle's just like... And by separately, I mean right now. Just licking her face, like with her eyes crossed, like... What exactly is Coyle's point in trying to color Amanda's image of me? She's not exactly talking to somebody that has any idea who I am, no idea of the situation, has never warned Beverly Beach, yet she's talking to Amanda about her opinion about what I'm doing. Yeah. Um, wow. Um, so Dorit is like, well, the fact that you brought up how you feel about how I'm behaving with regards to my divorce, speaking with my friends, making me want to question you, why have a judgment about someone you don't even know?

13:52I mean, Dorit, Doreen is kind of off the rails here. Listen, everybody has judgments about shit that they don't know. This is Beverly Hills. Of course, they're going to sit and gossip about you. But Rachel's right when she says it later. What is wrong with this girl? Just say, I'm sorry. I don't know you. I shouldn't have said anything about it. And it would be done. But she's bringing out all of these tricks. And like, you can't talk to me this way. And this is assault. And my son died. She's bringing out all of this stuff instead of just being like, I don't really care about you or your marriage.

14:23I was asked because she was literally asked the question. They show a clip where they're like, well, Amanda, what do you think? And she's like, well, I think that she probably shouldn't be doing that. So they ask her and then they hold it against her. She should just say, y 'all ask me and then come at me at dinner. Sorry. I literally do not care about you. I don't care about if you were your doughy husband. Yeah, I agree. She should have said that. And there's a lot of talk like judgment becomes like the boogeyman of this episode. Like, I don't want to be judged. Like, I don't want to have if I say something, I don't want to judge.

14:53I don't want judgment. But meanwhile, this is like the judgiest group of people on TV and that's all they do. And that's what they do professionally. That's why they're here is to judge. And then they're in front of us and we are judging in turn. But, but yeah, Amanda should have just owned it and moved on. And, but also what I can't stand about what Kyle is saying. And this actually comes up and actually Dorit, I believe, clocks are about this later. Is this whole thing of like, oh, don't say something. Don't poke the bear. Don't poke the bear. because if you say too much, he'll get angry and come at you.

15:24And it's like, well, how about he doesn't vote the bear too? Why is it always on Dorit? Why is it on Dorit that she has to act right? Like, oh, PK doesn't have to change how he behaves, right? Like, it's up to us to modify how we act around PK so we don't bring out this horrific behavior in PK that he can't change. Now, I'm not saying that it's like, I understand the larger thing. It's like maybe not so good to talk about your divorce so publicly on a TV show because it's going to get dirty. Yes. But I just hate the idea of like, Dorita is the one who has to fall in line. When it's like, where's the energy from Kyle to say PK needs to fall in line?

16:01Well, I think the truth is that it's, the reason is because he's got the money tied up. She doesn't have any money. She's got, he's got that lease in her name. He's got every, the mortgage in her name. He's got everything financially. All the financial burdens are in her name. and he is holding this money over her head. She's still, I don't even know if she still has a lawyer. Does she? That's any good? Like she's still trusting PK to give her money. She's trusting that he's going to do all of this stuff. She said it herself on the show that she doesn't know anything about her finances. It's all in PK's hands.

16:36And he said he was going to pay for certain stuff. Now he doesn't want to pay for stuff. So I think what Kyle is saying is, Dorit, you want money from this guy and you deserve the money, but you don't even have, like you could be in trouble like you could literally get in trouble for the stuff you're saying if you piss this guy off he can get vindictive with you and he can make your life a living hell i think that's what she's trying to say and if i was friends with dorit i would say that in private be like dorit i get what you're pissed about but going on tv and calling this man an alcoholic and everything else i don't want you to get hurt with money and you'd be destitute with your children like get your get your financial stuff together here's a lawyer you know and all of that but to be going around to like amanda francis and all these people like kyle's not getting her way on tv and dorit's doing it anyway so now she's going behind her back and shit talking how dorit's handling it she's just not a good she's just not a good girlfriend she doesn't even like to read and we know that she hasn't liked to read for years so this is nothing new but i think that's what a friend would be trying to say but kyle's just not a friend and she's she's on the wrong side of history.

17:41I agree. And I think though, I imagine what Dorit's probably thinking is he's going to get vindictive no matter what. It doesn't matter how, how nicely I play along, how sweet I am. He, if I'm sweet, he's going to take advantage. If I'm not sweet, he's going to be vindictive either way. I get screwed. So let me be me. And I'm going to say what's on, like coming off my chest. And, um, I imagine that's probably some of the thought process as well. And I support her, honestly. I mean, I like my instinct is to say, Oh, don't talk about this on TV. But like, the more I think about it, the more I think like he's going to screw her no matter what he's going to screw her.

18:19So she should, she, and her only tool is because he has the money. Her only tool is just to bring it to America and say it on TV. And I think Kyle is just really shitty for like repeatedly taking up for, for PK, whether she's doing it in like a little way, like masked as like a support for Dorit or not. Like Kyle, Kyle's in the middle of this, of this bullshit. And she's just being such a bad girl's girl. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree. So Amanda's saying, well, but you didn't even question me. And that's not typically how you go down to people's true thoughts. It's like by, you know, you don't get there by being really aggressive.

19:00And it's like, well, I wasn't trying to inquire about your thoughts. I was trying to inquire about why you were talking behind my beak and judging me, especially about something as sensitive as my divorce. And it's like, well, I've never in my entire life gone to a dinner party and accused people of things and got aggressive with them. Like to me, that was right. You actually did. You came to a birthday party and are accusing somebody of assaulting you. Yeah. But also like, or whatever, Are you going to be like a victim now? Is this, are you going to equate this, you know, like going to a dinner party and having someone be quote unquote aggressive with you on a TV show where this is famously the thing of the TV show?

19:41And like, this is going to be as bad for you? Like, guys, I know there's a lot of shit going on in this country right now. I mean, ISIS going around, killing people, breaking up families. but I was verbally accosted at a dinner party in Beverly Hills. And it's just like really hard for me right now. It's really hard. And she's like, well, I'm sorry that you thought it was strong, but I'm in a place of openness, a place of transparency. So when I feel a certain way, I'm going to be open and honest. And Kyle's just like, her eyes almost cross to each other's sockets. She's like, how dare you steal my open and honest?

20:21and then Dorit takes open and honest and wields it as a weapon against Kyle and the rest of the episode. And I was cheering. So good. Yeah. I loved it. And then Amanda, God, Amanda's so funny because she's so ridiculous. She goes, but you know what? You could have just said, Amanda, I heard you have thoughts. Can you tell me more? You could have had curiosity. You could have had curiosity. So you heard I was talking shit about your marriage and your divorce. Why weren't you? You could have just been more curious.

20:51i'm not gonna say i hear you have thoughts can you tell me more i just heard that behind my back you were talking about me and you were judging me and carl's like um can i say something really quickly i'm going back to tilly's house you were really upset like um you know like i've never seen you cry to read um you've seen to re cry multiple times and so have we where have you been Yeah, she like literally broke down on the bench outside your house after her trauma. So then we see a month earlier and we see, you know, at Tilly's house. Can you even believe Jigga? Jigga doesn't even know his father.

21:28All he asked for is my father. Papu! All he wants is Papu! Do you know what it's like looking at Jagger and saying, who are you? Who are you, Jigga? And then realizing it's just some little girl from down the street who insists on living in your home. Street. You had very strong words. And that night about PK, which is understandable. And I'm saying, which is understandable in a way that sounds more like I'm saying, you're a crazy bitch, but I'm okay with you. But it was understandable. What strong words did I have, Coyle? Well, you know, when you ask, like, I don't remember all the things. I just know that you had, like, strong words.

22:07Like, that's it. strong words. If you can't remember the things, if you can't remember the things, then don't say things like that. Don't say words. Don't say strong words. I have strong words about what I was going through, Kyle. Okay. Fine, I'm going to make my case to America. So, America, the things that Dorit is saying about PK now is going to come back to him, and this legal advice is sound because I'm wearing a tie. I'm basically a lawyer. She's actually appearing on the new season of Lincoln Lawyer, by the way, there was a clip that was going around where she shows up at a lawyer's office late at night.

22:44She's like, um, hi. So I'm looking for a lawyer. Could you help me? That's basically the long and the short of it. She can't let go of ER still. Yeah.

23:01What are you trying to say, Ronnie? Oh, PK had a post today. It was like, I would never shit talk the mother of my children. I would never speak badly about the mother. Oh, please. Never even there. Who are you talking about? Be quiet, PK. Be quiet. So, um, uh, Kyle's like, I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he may not like what you're saying. Why poke the bear? So I don't know, like that, that's the thing that like rubbed me the wrong way. Like I get the logic, obviously. You know, if you have a vindictive ex with the money, he's going to like come at you hard but for some reason i just i want i want her to poke the bear the bear it's a slow moving bear well it's so entertaining to us you know and it's not really even a bear it's like poking the dough boy like what are you going to do you're going to poke the bear and this is what's going to happen you're going to hear this that's it how it's the peak the peaksbury the peaksbury dough boy how how um so dorit's like don't so don't twist things kyle she's like i'm not twisting i'm saying i don't recall exactly well you are you are but then if you don't recall then you really shouldn't be positioning it that way kyle she's like well okay dorit okay dorit and kyle starts doing that thing where she starts cocking her head because she's like angry she's like i'm gonna make a point she does like the little bobblehead thing yeah she goes she like crosses her she crosses her eyes and like doings her head back and forth and um Duri it's like well the way that you positioned it is not a nice way to position and it's not actually true it's like well now you're just spinning hairs because I that's what coil coil coil I'm not splitting hairs for me it's the difference between a really big deal and nothing at all.

24:54Cool. I love that. Splitting here is for you, but not for me. Kyle's like, do you remember I said you would, you know, do something? Remember I said you would? I'll let you finish that sentence because I don't really know where else to go with it. Do you remember I said you would do something? Going back and forth. And then the music's like, dun, dun, dun. She goes, well, when you and I had dinner and I said to you, I don't think it's a good idea of like bash the father of your children. Why do you think I said that, Dorit? why and she's like oh do i remember that is that your question yes well you've not only made it a point to say to me at least a dozen times but you're clearly actually sharing it with a lot of people so i can remember clearly coil clearly oh yeah because kyle when she's i forgot when she goes do you remember she goes do you remember and they added like an echo to it what do you remember Remember, remember, remember.

25:46So that way when Dorit said, so yes, I do remember. And I went, remember, remember, remember, remember. I was like, oh, get in there, audio engineers. They're like, add some medium room to that. Okay. Cathedral? No, medium room only. Let's not overdo it, guys. Okay, this isn't TLC. We just need medium room. So she's like, well, when you and I had dinner, yeah, I told you that, Dorit. And she's like, okay, okay, Dorit, you can calm down now. Maybe you should let somebody else talk. Okay, maybe somebody else should talk now. That's so old. It's boring. It's like, well, I only had concerns because I don't want to be more complicated for you later because I actually care about you.

26:30So Dorit tells us if she really had a problem, she would have told me in private once, not gone behind my back, and talked about it over and over and over again. And furthermore, more over and more over. So Kyle's like, this is not me bashing you. It's just me purely having PK side. Okay. And I'm not talking bad about you behind your back. I'm just talking not good about you behind your back. And it's literally because you don't want to create more problems for yourself. I'm really like the best friend you could ever have. Um, can I just say something? It's Rachel here. It's really fucking hard in these moments not to speak how you feel.

27:07Thank you, Rachel. Rachel to the rescue. Yeah, because I'm just being really fucking honest right now. Because I understand that in a perfect world, we take the fucking high road every minute of our lives and smile. And I've done that for a really long time. And I've worn feathered caftans the entire fucking time. And here's the thing. Amen, sister. Speak it to the choir. Dorit. Dorit's just cheering before she even knows what she's going to say.

27:45so rachel has a big long monologue here about like divorced people we have it rough we go through every day going through pain and if we have something to say then we should have the right to say it and not be told to be quiet i will not be silenced and they're like damn and to It's like, that's right, sister. Do you have a tambourine to give me?

28:15There's like fucking moments when I'm just like, like we just need to vent. Like I think that like, like I just need to be, just need to say my things to my people. I need to like cry into a poochie scarf, you know? And like, I don't think like that you should do that or whatever. Like I don't want to be judged. Okay. Cause it's like our friends. And even if they feel that way, sometimes don't tell us that like right now because we feel so fucking shitty like right now anyway yes yes so that's all i'm saying and rachel's basically because there were like headlines about her and her divorce that day and she wanted to keep it private but it got out anyway which by the way once again just goes to show you try to play nicey-nicey and then guess what the other side screws you over no matter what so rachel's like if you can't like like be it like open if If you can't vent and be like open and honest and vulnerable and like chic and truthful and authentic and like dead with your friends and your people, then like I don't even know what a friendship even is.

29:17Oh, and by the way, honey, let me tell you one thing. Coyle, what you have kicked off and started is what's really going to come back and kick me in the ass. And Kyle's like, you need to calm down. What are you even mad at her? You're mad at me. You're mad at her. You're mad at the situation. Like, what have I even done? Like, you're not even mad at us. You're mad at your situation. And she's like, oh, really? So now you're going to do the same thing that Sutton did. Sutton, that's right. She's getting the cockney, Sutton. Sutton did this to me. Sutton's like, what did I do? I'm Sutton Brown. Sutton Brown didn't know anything.

29:53Sutton Brown just got here. Sutton Brown got a letter from the Pope telling her she had to change her name. That's all I know. Sutton Brown's just at the end of the table, just wide-knuckling it. well, I'll look at everyone drink their second drink and I have to pretend like I don't drink that much anymore. And we see a flashback to, you are not angry at me. You are angry at your life. And Dorit's like, life sucks right now and I've got zero tolerance for bullshit. So, by the way, I agreed with what Sun said last year and I actually agree with what Kyle says this year. Dorit is angry at her life right now.

30:27But also, that's allowed. There's nothing right, if you can't vent about your life in the space of like a very well moisturized person then like what are even friends so Dorit says I'm allowed to have emotions especially in these situations and Kyle's like yeah and I'm allowed to have emotions too and we're all allowed to have opinions about things okay so now suddenly Kyle has backed off from um like hey I was just trying to help I was just trying to say this and now it's like we're all allowed to have opinions So Dorit's like, so, should I be saying to you, calm down when you have emotions? What about that, Coil?

31:01She's like, um, you can if you feel that way. Crazy face. But I don't. Well, I mean, that doesn't mean I will. I mean, come on. And she's like, but because you know, you know what, Coil? It minimizes your feelings in the moments. She's like, but you seem very angry and aggressive right now. Well, thank God. when Rachel actually stepped in and took the bull bit. I'm shocked that that didn't land for you, Kyle. And you didn't say, hmm, you know what? Rachel has just become a preacher. Maybe it's me. Dorit's right on this one, too. I love her. She's like, look, the clothes rack over there in the corner who hasn't said anything all season long finally speaks up and you still don't even listen to her.

31:48Mrs. Roper finally came Mrs. Roper finally came unmummified to say something and you didn't even listen to that I'm so vulnerable over here so Dorit's like Coyle loves to talk about how she has no issues with Mo not finances or communication so maybe that's why she's having such a difficult time understanding why I'm sharing what I'm going through You know PK is venting to his friends Mo and all of his friends and family Is he protecting me? Is he protecting me? And that's exactly right Because PK is definitely talking up a storm But he's trying to keep the children from me Yeah So yeah he is doing all of that Well it's not on TV but it is in a way Because he's going to tell Mauricio And then Mauricio is saying it on TV to Kyle So you know And Kyle's like Don't put words in my mouth What words did I put in your mouth, Goyle?

32:45Well, if you let people, like, if you keep saying, like, we can't let people talk. I mean, let people fucking talk. Why can't we talk then? And so Kyle's saying, you know, Mo's saying completely opposite things from what you're saying, okay? And I didn't speak up that night at Tilly's on purpose because I don't want to be like, well, you know, I don't want to be standing up for PK. You know, I didn't see anything. I came to you later privately, and I said, don't create more problems to yourself. and Dorit just points she's like I don't know what we're talking about but this is a fun dinner and Cal just goes grow up Dorit oh is it okay no because I just want to make sure I'm giving you a chance to speak is it okay because Dorit's doing this whole thing where she's like I can't like she's she's acting like she's in Beetlejuice okay you can speak Kyle you can speak she's like am I allowed to say something I'm biting my tongue.

33:42Oh, come on, Dorit, grow up. So Erica's like, Kyle talking to Mauricio about Dorit and PK is 100 % keeping Kyle in the middle. Which is correct. And the best thing Kyle can do for she and Dorit's friendship is to stay out of their divorce. I promise you, Kyle, the more you talk to Mauricio about Dorit and PK, the worst is going to be for you and Dorit. And Erica has this eye makeup today. It's like multiple colors of silver overlapping on her eyes. And it looks like when you start unrolling a tin of anchovies. I don't know how else to explain it. But I was like, wow, I can't stop. Every time they showed it, I was like, why do her eyes look like anchovy tins?

34:25Why? It was cool, though. Whatever technique that is. I hope everyone starts doing it. How sophisticated. Can we have some wine and get some crackers? Should we call it Elton Roman? It's like you have a robot and you can't get their eyes open, so you just start kind of jamming, like trying to roll back the metal. She's like, oh, Kyle, trust me, Kyle. Yes, yes, Doreen. I mean, yes, Erica with the sardine tin eyes. Hello there. I'm Bozema, and I'm here as well. I believe that Kyle has your best interest at heart. What you are saying is you are willing to assume the risk of speaking publicly about what is happening, and everyone has to accept that.

35:03Like, thank you, Boz. Doreen's not an idiot. She knows when she says this stuff on camera, she's aware she's not dumb and she's chosen this path. Oh, wait a second. Natalie Fuller has something to say. I can't believe somebody just said Dorit's not dumb. She's still an idiot, but she's not. I mean, I know we're I know we're on Dorit's side today, but come on. Yeah, it's a wacky Friday. It's a crazy Friday. And yeah, Natalie's down at the end of the table. She's like, wow, really good birthday party. Am I right? Be quiet, Natalie. No, you just got here. You just got here. Just go away. You already had your eye game on the massage table scene, okay?

35:43Natalie Fuller, more like Natalie Emptier of content. So Erica is like, you can take that, publish that. Put that as a pull-through for this podcast. The funniest podcast in the podcast sphere. With lines such as Natalie Fuller, more like Natalie Emptier of content. Eric. Gee, that was hilarious. I laughed, I cried, it was better than cats Which PK ate Erica says But three, no one here at the table Wants anything bad to happen to you Except for Carl, of course And so he goes, exactly But I don't believe it, I don't believe it Carl's like, do you think that my saying That is because I cared about you Do you remember your house that day When I said, hey wait, can I do it again?

36:28Guys, can I do it again? Do you remember Oh no, I only get the echo once Okay, fine Coyle, shut up Now you shut up You shut up, Coyle Do you remember? So she's like, shut up for two seconds And they're talking over each other And Erica's like, Dory, come on Erica, stop it I mean it to you, Coyle She's like, no, I'm not gonna stop it You guys are friends You guys are on a way to repair things I know you're upset, but come on No, you listen I don't want either of you telling me what I should or shouldn't do I'd love for Erica to chime in and say, Kyle, that's not cool. Or Kyle, that's not cool. Or wait, let me try her voice.

37:12Kyle, that's not cool. I was like, whoa. She did like a perfect Erica voice. She did. She did. She did. Kyle, that's not cool. When things are happening in my life, I showed up to Tilly's very broken. Very, very broken. Do you want me to show up pretending like everything is fine, Kyle? Do you? I have a fundamental problem with them referring to Jennifer Tilly as Tilly. Every time they refer to her house as Tilly's. Only because all I can think about is the stupid store. Me too. It sells like skating shorts and everything. Like stuff for tweens. And like she just has to be referred to as either Jennifer or Jennifer Tilly.

37:53But like every time they're like, when we had that conversation at Tilly's, as we were looking at surfboards and hoodies with graphic designs. I can specifically remember being in parachute pants at Tilly's talking about this. When I was looking at checkerboard vans at Tilly's, I felt, Kyle, you're not supporting me. And then I remember saying, whatever happened to gadzooks? Hi, Amanda Francis here. It's clear to me, based on some of the dynamics tonight, that this is a communication style that i'm very not used to i mean even had i not been had not been the anniversary of zion's death which by the way it's the five-day anniversary of that night just stop just stop it makes me crazy she is so ridiculous what is i mean i still like is this what is how do you describe this therapize sort of talk this therapy talk that she that she speaks in this is something that like the there's gotta be a better way to call it than therapy talk right like it's like a formalized it's not nonsense talk but the way she uses it it just it's like pop psychology instagram meme talk you know it's like everything she says could be words over a really hot guy in underwear being like yeah i had my protein today yeah because like the concepts are not they're not like unsound in terms of sense of like it's good it is good in life to draw boundaries it is important to have things like self-care i don't know but like the way she uses them as like uh like an escape valve or escape hatch out of a tough situation is just like hilarious to me and yeah so she's like well even if it hadn't been science death anniversary i still would not have appreciated it being approached that way and buzz was like okay well here's the thing amanda you can't be in charge of how people want to respond and so that's an adult thing to understand it's like oh

39:55everybody's face like pulled back like damn that moment needs to be getting more attention by people because that was that was such a read in that moment like for her to say that's an adult thing to understand was so brilliant and amanda's like but like you don't ever set boundaries with people around how they can and can't speak to you. And she's like, well, how am I going to enforce that? That sounds crazy. You can't walk around the planet thinking everyone's going to agree with you. She's like, in my 40 years of life, which is just a reminder that I'm younger than all of you old bitties, I have never left a dinner party crying.

40:32I'm like, well, have you been living? No kidding. What kind of life do you lead? I'm not even on these shows. I've left plenty of dinner parties crying. Of course, it's usually over like a lack of some kind of a dessert. Or having to do all the dishes by myself or something like that. But still, a crying movie. Oh, and so she says, I've never left a dinner party crying. And then Dorit, out of nowhere, goes, I thought you ran away from a cult. Did you not have dinner parties to cry at in the cult? Weren't you in some sort of crying dinner party cult?

41:09Because I've seen the documentary on Nixxiom, and I specifically remember people crying after dinner. Hmm? I watched that one, what was it called, Wild Wild West, where they all went up to the mountains and had dinner and cried afterwards. You know, called things. Clearly remember ladies in LuLaRoe leggings crying over camel toes after dinner parties. Hmm? But aren't you in, aren't you a member of Scientirigy? Get it if you think about it as wordplay. Shut up, Emptia. Well, I'm not listening to you. Natalie, that's the last time I used one of your jokes. She sent it to me, a little piece of paper folded up in the shape of a vagina.

41:54So the music gets really tense. And Amanda's like, yeah, I did run away from a cult. And Erica's like, Dorit, Dorit, Dorit, Dorit. We're not supposed to bring up people's cult belongings at dinner. Come on, I'm Erica J. And even I know that. Come on, Dorit. Dorit, that's supposed to be for a different dinner party. Come on, you're churning through our content. No, I'm just curious. Which is like a funny way, by the way, that is a funny callback to Amanda being like, well, I mean, why couldn't you have been curious about me? Why couldn't you have been curious instead of being aggressive? She's like, no, I'm being curious.

42:30Yeah. I dead leave a cult. I mean, it just doesn't sound right. And Amanda's like, what does a cult have to do with anything? This woman disrespected me. and on the anniversary of my son's death. I can't. She needs to stop. Why are you making me laugh at this concept? I know. This is something that is so heartless to even be laughed. When someone says that, there should be no laughter even near the room. So it's not even making fun of that. It's just that she's just so blatantly and grossly wielding it as a weapon at this point. Yeah, it's just so gross. We're laughing at the gross personality trait of the person, not the son dying.

43:07so she's like and now by the way this this said i'm sorry but this sentence is also wild this woman disrespected me and my son on the anniversary of his death and now she wants to bring up that i'm in a cult i'm sorry i'm sorry okay i might be heartless for laughing at the ridiculousness of that all so now what you got me i'm heartless this is hilarious what what what said well how are these words all being put together in a cohesive sentence totally so she's just scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything she thinks is going to make me look bad and jennifer tilly's like oh a cult what kind of a cult now we're talking and amanda's like um that's a whole different story okay we can go into it if you want jennifer tells us oh yeah i knew she was in a cult i googled amanda just like i googled everybody in this group i mean i know the history of amanda It's all out there.

44:05It's on Reddit. Even the people in the group that are saying, I never Google any. Please, you Google people. It's like Meghan Markle saying that she never Googled Prince Harry before. Girl, please stop, Meghan. Just stop. Meghan Markle catching a stray out of nowhere. That was so funny. like it was like so you sort of maintain what you've lived that you've lived a life where there's and summer's like um intense reactions have happened i mean i'm not summer i mean uh amanda you're saying if you were in a cult intense oh no summer it is summer summer it is summer yeah summer jumps in because it was there yeah summer summer jumps in because dorit can't quite make her point of why she brought it up now and so summer helps her out she's like so yeah like friend intense interactions have happened you know you're saying if you were in a cult then intense interactions would be happening so you would be used to intense interactions now right to read she's like well i don't really know who this woman from someplace else is i forgot your name dear but i would imagine that there's far worse you've experienced than what happened the other night.

45:17Far, far, far worse. And by the way, I do enjoy your work, Carol Leifer. So Amanda's like, can we please order Amanda some Kool-Aid to drink? She loves ghouls. So Amanda's like, I'm not saying it's the worst thing that ever happened to me. I just woke up. You say it was the worst thing that happened to you in 40 years of life. Okay, let me finish without accosting me. Okay, let me finish. Knock, knocking on Heaven Gate's door. Am I right? I'm just going to ignore that. Okay. Because the cult is very serious. I woke up about every 30 minutes all night long with my heart beating so fast. Like so fast.

46:01And my body interpreted that evening as a physiological threat. Girl, you just had some really salty food. It's called blood pressure. Boz goes, girl. So funny. My heart was beating fast though. I woke up every 30 minutes with my heart beating fast. And Amanda's like, why are you shaking your head at that? Like, well, I mean, your expectations of not having confrontation in the way that you don't like is unrealistic. And Erica's like, that's true. That is true. I can't stand people who get confronted by, who try to act, try to control the way people confront them anyway. So should we roll the footage from about four or five years ago on this show?

46:39No kidding. So you need to understand that and you need to accept that. It's like, um, but there can be disagreements without conflict. And they all start laughing. And Erica's going, no, no, they can't. No, they can't. No, but you disagree. And, like, you sit and you speak about it. Like, you have the intention to, like, really hear each other. And there's not a huge conflict. And the music gets really tense. And Bo just goes, girl, what are you talking about? How? In this human experience, what fantasy world is Amanda living in? because in this reality, we've got to have real conversations that push edges, that address conflict, that make us uncomfortable because I don't know any world in which Amanda thinks that she's the sole power to be able to control how people feel.

47:23Seriously, can we get this girl some salad dressing? Maybe a side of Ranch Davidian? Hmm? What did you say? Ranch Davidian? Guys, guys, we cannot control how people speak to us or how people react to us. Like, I'm dead. Trying to control people, that's bananas. We can only control how we react to other things and how we react to news that Raj later divorced the papers. Like, and trust me, if I could control people, how people fucking speak to me, like, life would be, like, so much fucking different. Oh, my God. I'm, like, so vulnerable right now. Hallelujah. You really are a preacher today. Preach it, Rachel.

48:07Preach it. and Sutton's like um Sutton's just like well how did how Dorit spoke to her wasn't even that bad I mean it's Dorit and Rachel's like no like look I know verbal assaults I know TMZ assaults I know Daily Mail assaults I know general like paparazzi assault they're behind the tree right now please stop looking at me I'm feeling things on television so like I get it and it's really really hard you guys listen i'm in a really vulnerable state right now hold on i've got aviators she puts her glasses on and starts crying fucking fire i'm sorry for raising my voice everyone i know i'm out of control right now i'm so sorry oh my god i know i can't stop screaming i don't know what's wrong with me i'm out of fucking control i'm so vulnerable and dead with vulnerability i'm a big banana and i'm out of control like you guys i'm like trying to come from a place of like being grateful.

49:02I mean, I have adorable sons, even though one really likes e-bikes. And like, it's great. I'm rich. Like I have Chanel. Like I look at the Chanel in my closet and I'm like, at least that makes me smile. But it's like really hard, you guys. To hear people judging people when I am sitting here in feathers. I really try to stay in gratitude and strength all the time. And sometimes it just causes a strength crack. And you know what I say to that crack? I say, basta. Basta crack. Get out of here. Basta. Oh, my God. Are you crying? Let me see your eyes. Let me see them. Oh, no. She's crying. Look what you did, Amanda.

49:45Look what you did to Rachel Zoe. She was just about to eat her first piece of lettuce. This woman has felt nothing in public for 20 years. Look what you did to her.

50:00that's funny because rachel zo basically says the same stuff that amanda saying which rachel zo is like i just try to stay in a place of gratitude and forgiveness and it's like she's just speaking in the same way as amanda but like with rachel zo i'm like yeah sure so it's like for all the stoicism for all the professionalism for all the extensions in her hair for all the fabulosity she is human she's just a regular lady who can't figure out a kaleidoscope and so the divorce is gonna cut real deep for her so now rachel and boz and dorit all go outside so rachel can cry and rachel is saying i'm so sick of holding shit together all the time oh okay well you don't have to hold anything honey you don't you don't have to i mean it's like i've been listening to fucking amanda it's like anything i said in honesty it's like gonna fucking blow up of my face like fuck and I'm like you know what like the way that they're judging Dorit like they're judging me too you know and it's not okay like I was with a guy named Roger with a D and I'm not okay with that and I'm gonna say it and that is my right yeah like I can't fucking take the high road every minute of my life like sometimes I have to take a slightly less high road you know but you don't have to it's like sometimes like you just fucking need a break and I break in my closet and I'm breaking my bathroom and I break in my bathroom that's in my closet because I actually love my closet so much.

51:25I have a little bathroom on the side, but I never do anything bad in there because like who would want to go to the bathroom in their closet, right? But I like look in the mirror there. It's like amazing. And it's like, I call it my cry bathroom. It's like I break. I break to my sister. I break to my Chanel. I just, I break to the bottle of moisturizer that I know that Kais is going to use when he goes to camp. Like it's like a break all the time, guys. You guys, I make like a hundred decisions a day between my life my kids life, my work life. Like at some point you're just like paralyzed. You're like paralyzed.

51:54You're paralyzed with exhaustion. You're paralyzed with feathers. You're just fucking paralyzed. And I'm sick of it. And sometimes you just got to break in your closet. Just at least surround yourself with Chanel. Cause at least that makes me smile still. I'm breaking. I'm breaking. And this is when I was like, okay, she's perfect for this show. You know, maybe there were some reservations at the beginning. the fact that she came in here and took this argument that had nothing to do with her at all and now the whole scene is about rachel outside crying and feathers and aviators yes welcome welcome it was great it was here's what i liked about it i liked everything you just said i liked also that when she said this stuff about like i'm so fucking sick and tired of taking the high road i thought that was actually kind of great it's great too that was like great advice for that moment and also i do love that rachel is quietly carving out a cool click in this group it's like her dorit and bows and this is gonna i think this is going to lead to some really interesting tension because kyle has always been the alpha and she's been the queen but i think rachel rachel is is the new is like low-key a new alpha sort of the way that yolanda was too like she comes from fashion she has real celebrity and she's gonna have her own draw and i think that there's gonna be um like a like a power uh balance dynamic that's gonna happen yeah she just came in and took it over effortlessly which i really liked because yeah it's usually people kissing kyle's butt or trying to like tiptoe around kyle and she didn't and she's really coming for kyle here because she's saying amanda you know amanda saying all this stuff but the one who's fighting about it at the table is Kyle.

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