#3226 RHOBH S15E10: Cult Following

0:21Hello and welcome to Watch What Crappens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Karam. Hey Ronnie, what's going on? Hi, how are you? Hi, good, thanks. Well, here we are. Today it is, we are one week away from the Golden Crappies. Seven days, final stretch. I think there are actually some seats that have been released and that are available. so go get your tickets go to watchacrappens.com or follow the links on our social media and if you can't be there or if there are no seats left be sure to join us uh virtually with kizwe the link for the streaming is also on our website the same place where you'd find the tickets for in person uh it's gonna be so much fun and that replay is gonna be available for two weeks after the show if you are coming to the show there's gonna be a patreon pre-party that we're really psyched about.

1:21So if you're a Patreon member, the information is going to be up on Patreon. I'm going to be posting it later today after we are done with our 10th recap of the week. Or 10th episode, I should say. Which will be after Valley Persian style. Anyway, and also tomorrow, we're currently recording in Miami as we speak. We're in sunny, beautiful Miami. Watching someone hair sale right now. Is that what it's called when you're skiing on a balloon? There's like a big balloon behind you. I think so. Someone's up there. I think they're thin. I don't know. Do you have a view of the ocean? I have a view of – oh, I have a view of the other direction.

2:04I have a view of the city from the other direction, so I don't see any parasailers. I see buildings and air conditioners for one part, but then I see the ocean and somebody parasailing. Hi. Sweet. I like this. I like being in this beautiful weather and pretending like I get to participate in it. I know, girl. You know I ain't going outside. But anyway, can't wait to recap Valley Persian style later. I was like, wow, it's such a nice ocean. And then I just recorded. I ain't going out there. It's like, okay, well, let's podcast for five hours instead. You know what I see? I see gorgeous scenery and skin cancer.

2:33That's what I see out there. I will not be going out there. I have to go find a big straw hat or something. You're not tricking me, skin cancer. I'm not going out there. it's really exciting because we're here for the South Beach Wine and Food Festival it's basically BravoCon for chefs and we went to this party last night and it was like all these people from Top Chef were there I mean it's crazy enough just going around and seeing people stand there but seeing people who like listen to Watch What Crap happens is crazy and that we've been making fun of and they have such a good sense of humor about it I love those ladies I'm going to go find them tonight and just make them hang out with me all night.

3:12We saw Nini. We saw Sarah. Who else did we talk to? Oh, my God. We saw – Not Nini Leeks, by the way. No, Nini's from Top Chef. And we saw our Polish potato princess. Sylvia. Sylvia. Sylvia. Oh, my God. Sylvia. Potato. I will make you something we made where I come from. Potato. And they're like, oh, God. Another potato. I fucking love that lady. We're having so much fun. And then everywhere you walk, there's food. yeah it was great and there were just all these um there were just like so many top chef and food network people there like bobby flay was there with brooke robert irvine and like a million bobby flay does that person was it here at the festival they were telling us he does dinners and they're ten thousand dollars a person to go to the dinner i mean what the hell and it was taco night it was taco people were paying 10 grand a person to go to taco night with bobby flay he looks better in person bobby flag yeah you think yeah he looks great he looks great i think i think to be fair i do think it was a charity thing so that's all the money's going to a good cause i still want more than a taco more than tacos i agree um but yeah that this is it's super fun so they've got all these activities so we're participating in this uh there's like a podcast lineup on saturday and we're the last podcast of the day so we're going on to 215 and we were originally going to do a crappy hour, but now we're trying to think maybe this would be the right place to do like a top chef cast preview.

4:39It sounds funny, but also I don't know. These chefs have a sense of humor about themselves. I have to say. It might be rough. Well, we can always fit it back. But the point is this. We're not going to really know until maybe tomorrow morning. And the other point of it is that there's just all these fun food things going on And instead, I'm going to be spending probably my entire day inside preparing for crappies. We've got crappies. We've got the lyrics to learn, okay? I'm coming out for food, and then I'm coming back in here. But yeah, it is great being here. So thanks for having us, people, South Beach Food and Wine Festival.

5:10And now let's get on to some Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Yes, a very exciting episode of Beverly Hills. so we start um in the hamptons and rachel we're still at rachel's friend's house um and they're all hanging around like rachel and dorit and kyle and the friend and rachel's sister they're all just like hanging around the kitchen island having like cool hot girl breakfast and rachel's like oh my god like it's like morning it's like this is like what i've been missing like morning in the hamptons and kyle's like um rachel you don't need those sunglasses on you look really pretty without makeup on i just want you to know in fact like when you put makeup on it makes you look kind of like old and gross i guess that's what i'm trying to say oh my god are you okay because like i'm basically just heels and makeup like that's all i made out of like you could remove my head my body and everything else and i would just be heels and makeup shut up i'm like literally a floating foundation so then she's like guys today we're gonna go to montauk's and then after montauk's we're gonna go surf lodge because i got some friends who are like playing at this band i'm like really excited and i think i've mentioned the story um on the podcast how at the top of this season spotify had a party and rachel zo was there so courtney and i went up to rachel zo uh courtney from two judgy girls we went up to rachel zo because like we have to and we're like hey we just saw the beverly hills premiere you were really good on it because thanks i was like so vulnerable like yeah but she she thought we were um vulnerable i was like so vulnerable like i was like more vulnerable than i ever thought and she's being really friendly she was very friendly to us but she also thought we were bravo brass because when we said that we are we we podcast about bravo all she heard was we're she heard we're from bravo so she's being really nice and then when she's we were like no no at one point we realized this and she's like so you guys are you guys work at bravo i'm like no no we're podcasters oh cool oh you know what's crazy the song that's playing is this band and they're like my friend they're like over there it's just crazy because like my friends are there but the song's playing and but my friends are there like it's like what are your friends named my friends are named not podcasters so yeah and she basically like left us she went over to her friends these guys were her friends on this episode is that it was the same guy i'm sorry but i have to go talk to xander he's 26 oh okay xander is not xander scrotox is 26 the hell are you trying to make me believe that man is 26 you all are so full of it yeah no she was so nice to us but it was also one of those things where like it was like our window like if we were bravo executives our window would have been a certain number of minutes but podcasters only get this many and i fully support that like she should not have given us any more time and we were on borrowed time so i but i just thought like i loved her way of getting out of it i have friends this music it's them's over there them They're over there.

8:01It's there. It's like crazy. But it's over there. I'm going to go say hi to them. So Kyle's like, okay, that sounds great. I'm going to go get dressed and go out for a run. And she's like, oh, my God. You guys, I'm telling you what I'm not doing. Going for a run. Nailed it. Carl just runs by. Hey, guys. Practicing for a marathon. Hey, guys. Want to meet up at Common Ground later? Let's go to Common Ground. Let's get in the mix. Get in the mix in Common Ground. Come on. Run, Rachel. Run. So now we're back in Beverly Hills and at Amanda's house. And she's going over childcare with Eddie. And she's like, so I'm going to take the babies to Newport.

8:37And you're taking the big kids camping, right? And then school starts Thursday. Guys, like five years ago, my life was all about business and making money. And I'm still about those things. But now, family trumps that. I'm really all about the Trump family now. Did that sound wrong? Someone sent me a clip. Amanda was on Selling Sunset. Oh, yeah. We covered that. Didn't we cover that season? We probably – I think we did cover that season. I definitely watched that season. But we didn't know – Somewhere. Yeah, but we didn't know that – of course, at that time, that was Amanda Francis. But she played this super annoying buyer or seller who, like, was making all of their lives hell.

9:17And I was like, perfect. Yeah, she was terrible. That's perfect. She was against Venita. No, not Venita. What's the girl's name on there? No. Vena. I love her. Funa. no Anna I thought her name starts with Davina she was like the one that doesn't fit in Davina Davina not Vanita but Vanita Davida Davida Vanita okay everybody meet each other Danny DeVito she was against Danny DeVito her client was Danny DeVito uh so she her client was um Vanita and she was firing her she's like yeah I just don't like like what you did and she's like oh my god you gave me this listing you're fucking me around you won't let me do any ads on this listing.

9:58She's like, yeah, but I don't really like how you're handling it. She was terrible on there. You're making us root for Davina. Who roots for Davina on that show? Us. Me. I love Davina. She really got the raw end of the stick. Always. Did she ever sell that mansion? It was like 90 million dollars. God, I miss that show. I really fell off that show and I used to always love it. And I guess the rumors are that Christine's coming back. That's what I read in the gossip a few weeks ago. Really? It's time for a commercial. It's time for a Crappens commercial. So, any of you, Amanda's, she's talking to Eddie, her husband.

10:39And he's like, so how did you feel about that dinner? She goes, well, if I'd offered manifestation journaling exercises for free, anyone I know would jump at that. And like, it's not, yeah, yeah, I'm manifesting that right now. Even if they wouldn't, I just manifested that they jumped now. No, stop acting like you're giving everybody the biggest gift in the world by offering your free manifestation class. You told them to open up a journal and write a goal down. Give me a fucking break. That's free anyway, Amanda. And the fact that people are paying you$45 ,000 for that is ridiculous. Please give me a break.

11:11Anybody else would be so grateful. No, we all have our own journals, Amanda. Okay? Give me something else. I don't need your straw with your fucking manifestation shit on it. I don't want to drink your manifestations. Yeah, so then we see a flashback to the dinner party where everyone's like, what do I do here? Huh? You want us to write this down? Okay. That was pretty funny. So then Amanda's like, what? Manifestation? What a ridiculous idea? I'm supposed to write down a goal? How stupid. Yeah, so Amanda's like, I just thought that it would be a fun opportunity for the women to learn more about me, but they don't really take me seriously.

11:52and she's saying that they don't take her seriously as she is speaking over her dress that looks like a series of nested muffin wrappers and so like and it's so funny because these ruffles over her chest are so big that she can't fit her arm around it her arm has to stick out like a marionette just to gesticulate she's hired to be Grimace at the McDonald's she's just trying to move her arms high five Grimace I knew you couldn't do it loser like she is gonna have some great shoulders after this because she is holding up that elbow the entire time to get around the ruffles to gesture so amanda's like yeah they just like didn't show up like they didn't show the fuck up for the event and eddie's like oh that's annoying i mean talk about someone who's not showing up as this guy are you awake yet sir it's like yeah it's Really annoying.

12:46So then we go to Will Rogers Memorial Park. And Bo's meets Sutton. This is very Salt Lake City. And they do this on Beverly Hills sometimes too where they're like, let's have an outdoor scene in a park. They're like, why are we at the park? Sutton's disgusted by it. She's like, could we not find a restaurant to shoot in? Because I've never been here. I pass it, but I've never been here before on purpose because who walks around a park? be careful what you wish for son because later in the episode you're going to wind up at a restaurant on fairfax avenue you know she's like fairfax what happened to that place what happened to fairfax i used to work on fairfax in the golden days back in the golden days of fairfax i went there recently i was like what the hell happened here it was economy i know in there and the restaurant that they go to is the one that's like attached it used to be pitfire pizza the one that's attached to basically Pops Bagels and a coffee commissary.

13:42And I just – the idea of sending Sutton there – I mean, I'm over there all the time. I'm always going to Pops Bagels. But Sutton – I just can't imagine Sutton going to that little strip mall across the street from the traffic median that has overgrown dry grass on it. It's probably like, what is this disgusting boulevard that you sent me to? So now – but now they're in the park. I may be wrong, but it looks like it's that park in Beverly Hills that you drive by on Santa Monica Boulevard. That's what I thought it was, too. I was like, why are they having them shoot by the Beverly Hills sign? We're outreached.

14:15The most touristy park. I thought so, too. But Will Rogers, I think, is further west. But anyway, who knows? So they see this time capsule. There's a statue with the time capsule. And Boz is like, oh, this time capsule is not supposed to be open until the year 2140. He's like, well, we're not going to see that. We're going to be dead. I'll tell you this much. Sutton's track is already dead. And Sutton Brown is going to be dead too. She's going to be dead. Going to be dead. I have an announcement. The park, it is not the park that has the big Beverly Hills sign that we're used to on San Marco Boulevard.

14:52The Will Rogers Memorial Park is actually across from the Beverly Hills Hotel. It's one of the corners of that hellacious intersection where there are six roads that come together and only stop signs. That is a little – I was thinking of – no, no. Blue Rogers Memorial Park is bounded by Sunset Boulevard and Benedict Canyon and Beverly Drive and whatever. The park I was initially thinking of was the one that's along Santa Monica Boulevard across from the Golden Triangle of Beverly Hills. And yes, the answer is yes. When you live in Los Angeles, this is what you talk about. People say, oh, people in LA only talk about traffic and roads.

15:36It's a big part of life. Because it's thrilling. It's a big part of life there. It's thrilling for us. Because the reason is because we have to park everywhere too. So we all know that park because if you ever go to a street festival or something there and then it sounds fun and it's cheap and they've got really good vendors and stuff and then you have to fucking park. And so you know those streets very, very well. You've been traumatized. That's why. So – Oh, good. What do you think that time capsule, by the way, that they buried in 1914? That's what's in the time capsule. They're like, I tried to park here in the early 2000s and now look.

16:13they are probably like well this message is for Delilah I hope I love her so much and I hope the city that springs up around her is full of good Christian God fearing people it's like congratulations you're in Los Angeles we're all heathens back when Los Angeles had morals so Bo's Sutton's like, well, maybe we can manifest something, and then we can find out what's in that time capsule by manifesting it. You know, it was kind of a clunky entrance into gossip, but Boza's like, oh, my God, not the manifesting. I've noticed a stark difference between Sutton and Sutton. You know, Sutton last year was Sutton Strack.

16:53What a bitch. Sutton Brown, still very squinty-eyed, looks at everything very judgmentally, but she doesn't say it. So that's great. I like it. I'm desperately trying to forget Sutton Strack because Sutton Brown, I like. No, Sutton Brown's boring. Get rid of Sutton Brown. I want Sutton Strack. Yeah. Sutton Strack, are you still here with us? Blink twice if you can. We know you can because you have just announced that you haven't done Botox or anything. Please say this is just one season where you're pretending to be sober because nobody needs this long term. Yeah. Housewives do this, and it's always the worst thing that they can do.

17:28They always think that if they have a season where they don't drink as much and they work on themselves, that this will quiet the critics. but actually all it does is get you fired. It makes people root for alcoholism. So Bose is – I mean, if you're trying to like send out a good message, this isn't the way to do it, you know? This isn't going to get anyone to quit drinking. Everyone's going to look at this and be like, I don't want to turn into Sutton Brown. No, I don't. So Sutton says, how do you manifest living forever? That's what I want to know. Well, here's the thing. What she's doing is mostly telling people how to manifest money by taking their money.

18:03And Sutton gives a look like, you said it, not me, sister. Sutton Brown would never say that. But Sutton Brown will squint and smile at it. I liked it. Sutton Brown liked that. Sutton's track would rub her face right now. And Buzz is like, well, it was cute to see your children. Let's point out that she does have good qualities. And those are the things that crawled out of her. OK? Oh, my god. Yes, the children. Those were adorable. Especially that real big tall child. Oh, he was so cute. That was her husband. Oh. OK. The house is beautiful. We can say that. If you're really into farmhouse, modern, that kind of thing.

18:39But it's funny because she had to say – Wait. Sorry. I love the silent 321 from like we've given our perfunctory friendly comments and now – but it's funny though. They're like, well, let's look at the positive aspects. She has procreated. So that's good. Well, and she lives someplace. She has a house. So that's good. but you know uh it's a beautiful house but it's funny though because she has to say it like it has 19 bedrooms and 86 bathrooms like it always has okay so you didn't hear me doing that people came over to my house i didn't say when i lived in that house i didn't say it's got 86 bathrooms i mean sudden strike would have right yeah son's basically like i live here bitch i know how many rooms there are and we see a flashback of amanda being like oh my god like we just renovated like eight bedrooms and nine bathrooms.

19:29So I've literally done 17 rooms. Wow. So Bo's like, well, she doesn't need to quantify her money in order to fit in with a group. All she has to do is take her skin and tie it to the back of her head, and then she'll fit in just fine, quite literally. Amanda wants to prove how far she's come from her childhood beginnings, and a lot of us have come from humble beginnings, but it's not about showing what you have accumulated. It's about showing the journey, the journey. I have more respect for the journey than I do the destination.

20:00yes um you know kyle came from very humble beginnings you know she used to live on a prairie and then she was haunted by a dead maid wound up being a nurse in the er i mean she's really been through so much she had bangs that was the roughest we actually saw a clip of that today yeah they showed a clip where a lot of bangs flashbacks had bangs and they're like remember Remember the fun times when Carl had bangs? Humble beginnings. So, uh, Boza's like, well, I don't, I don't know if she feels like, oh, I've got a beautiful home, this amazing relationship, these beautiful kids, a booming business, so you can't tell me anything.

20:35You're gonna make it, you're gonna make it very far, you're not gonna make it very far that way, you know? And so I was like, well, she has got to understand that I'm gonna manifest her getting a brain in her head. Well, she has to, because she has to do that, otherwise she'll never fit in. So Sutton says, we are all trying to help Amanda. The problem is she thinks she knows better. And so the old adage is true. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, okay? And she's refusing to drink. That horse is just journaling on the side of the river asking for water when the water's not there.

21:06That horse is actually making a good life decision for itself. And hopefully now that horse won't be called an alcoholic on Twitter anymore. You know, sometimes the horse just has to say, I don't need to drink. My last name is Pratt now. Hey, you're in my house. Please don't call me a horse. I know. Guys. You know Amanda's going to get that. So Amanda tells Eddie. She's going to be like, you called me a horse though, son, and that really hurt me. So now I'm a horse, and I'd like to ask to draw a boundary around that because I would prefer not to be called a horse. All I did was show you manifestation, and now you call me a horse?

21:47I mean, a horse is a horse, of course, of course. And I have a course about that, by the way. A horse is a horse, of course, of course. I never before has a horse, of course. And never had a horse, a horse, and something, Mr. Ed. I used to know that song. No. No, it's a horse is a horse, of course, of course. And a horse takes a course, of course. And if a horse wants money, that's why you call it Manifested. Well, I don't know if she wants to feel like, wow, wow, wow, wow. What's she doing? She's got to listen. She's got to listen. So it's like, yeah, we're trying to help her. So then we go to Amanda's house, and she's still talking to Eddie.

22:21And she's like, well, I mean, the salad course is barely on the table. And already I have to hear how it's, like, my fault that Dorit and Kyle had that exchange at dinner. Like, it's my fault. And he's like, oh, my God. They still want to talk about the Dorit bullshit? Oh, my God. Read those bitches for filth. No, Kyle had a really strong opinion about Dorit talking about her ex. And I said, like, one thing about it at one dinner party. You know, like, I don't know. He's like, yeah, there were times after my breakup where I didn't want to hear about it. And I just didn't want to hear other people's opinions about it.

22:53And I just didn't want to hear any of it. And Amanda looks at him like, are you backing me up right now? I know. I really wanted them to just leave the cameras rolling and see what the reaction was. Because you know that it was like satanic eyes coming from Amanda, like beams at him. Like, really? This is when you're going to bring up your divorce right now to stand up for Dorit? Really? Really? You're not getting your allowance this week. if I could have clearance over these ruffles, I would slap you. So Amanda says, you know, Eddie has been through a divorce with young children involved, and he's a very compassionate and non-judgmental and sort of non-awake person.

23:31And even with that in mind, I don't think that what I said warrants this level of scrutiny. He's like, well, you just don't know each other yet. And maybe she's like intimidated because you're younger. Oh, because I'm young and successful and I'm not financially dependent on a man and she outsourced her financial well-being to a man and that didn't go so well. This is so good. And we saw this in the trailer, but I just love this. This needs to be memorized and said forever. It's like the most iconic thing Amanda did was that line. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm young. It was great. Because I'm young and successful and I'm not financially dependent on a man and she outsourced her financial well-being to a man and that didn't go well.

24:11I feel like Ariana did that once on Vanderpump Rules I just can't remember what it was She said that about Stassi She said something like that about Stassi Erica Jane's like Well, Big Liz came, then Tom was blind Then his car rolled down a hill Whatever that whole thing was So Eddie's like, well, if that was her decision Instead of being independent, then yeah, that's on her I mean, you know, girls gotta choose You know what I mean? Baby, you're a firework Come on, let your colors burst Seriously Eddie, have you ever seen a plastic bag before? You can take a firework to the 4th of July, but you can't Katy Perry that bitch to life.

24:47You know what I mean? Someone's got to light it. You can take a firework to your chest, but you can't light your bra on. Can't make them light their own bra. You know what I'm trying to say. I'm going to stop now. Anyway, why does Dorit care about my opinion? If she's so sure that this is her path, then do your thing. fuck up your life, whatever. Yeah, but the same thing goes for you, Amanda. You shouldn't care either. You should be like, yeah, I did say it. Who cares? Sorry. It's like you care too much. So now we go back to the Hamptons and we're at Rachel's friend's house and they're sitting by the pool and stuff.

25:22And Kyle is calling, she's FaceTiming. Erica, it's your right. Well, you missed Amanda's dinner party. Of course, the conversation turned into what happened at the dinner of the night between you and Dorit and Amanda. And Sutton told her, listen, you need to say what you're saying. It's your own opinion. Stop referring to Kyle because you caused a fight between Dorit and Kyle. I don't know. Are you upset, Kyle? You really upset? Everybody's very upset. Bunch of women. Goddamn women. Well, as someone who met Donna Karan last night and got invited to hang out with Donna Karan in Malibu, I just want to say this.

25:52What I think is confusing for Amanda is that everyone's like, you have to have your own opinion, and yet she may be thinking, here I am, voicing my opinion, and everyone's like, why were you talking about Dorit's marriage? And pick a fucking lane. Like I'm going to choose the lane that takes me to Malibu to Donna Karen's house. Am I right, guys? Because I'm hanging out with Rachel. I'm like in a new crowd now. Anyway, she's allowed to have an opinion. She didn't say anything horrible, guys. Amanda's a great, great person. But you know what? Amanda is fighting Kyle's dragon. So Kyle's going to be on her side no matter what, which I think is pretty funny.

26:21Although Kyle does kind of have a point. They're really harping on this. Everybody was talking about it. Everybody was like, yeah, Dorit. I think it's all of the above. I think, first of all, yes, everyone's talking about it. second of all, I do think it was largely Kyle who was leading it. And I do think that Amanda was largely just agreeing, but Amanda did have an opinion, but I don't think like, I don't, I actually don't think Amanda's opinion was like the worst thing in the world. And you're on a reality show. Kyle's actually right. You know what? Kyle's actually right. You're allowed to say what you want to say about things and have opinions about things.

26:52And there will come a time when Dorit's going to have an opinion about something. And she's not going to want to be told, like, don't have an opinion. And she'll be like, oh, in fact, she actually did it last week. She was like, am I allowed to speak? Am I allowed to speak? I'm allowed to speak around Kyle. Look at my lips. Look at my lips. They're closed. She had a whole Beetlejuice bit. Closed lips right now, Kyle.

27:13But that being said, I mean, Amanda sucks, but. Well, it's just funny because Kyle's sticking up for the suckiest person of the cast because they're going for who Kyle wants, you know? So she's like, yeah, of course. That's great. Meanwhile, if this was her or her girlfriend. Yeah, I was just about to say that. And someone said it. Just about to say it. I was like, how dare you? You're going to have a little privacy? How could you do this? You can't do this to the LGBTQ plus community. Kyle's like, unless you gathered everyone around before we started shooting for the season and told them they're not allowed to bring up people in your romantic sphere, then sure, you're allowed to have an opinion.

27:48But if you didn't tell them ahead of time. Amanda can talk about Dorit's husband. It's not like she's married to a country star.

27:58so Erica's like well I'm going to dinner tonight with Sutton and Denise should be a pretty light fun hearted fun time was on Fairfax Avenue though gosh can't wait to see Sutton's reaction to that Kyle's like oh wow yeah I texted Denise I was like are you in the Hamptons too oh is that just me she didn't really get a response to me but I can't believe what she's going through so then we see real life headlines which are not funny at all that we've all heard about and seen about the abuse that Denise has been enduring from that asshole Aaron Pfeipers. Fucking monster Aaron Pfeipers. And we see Denise Richards accuse his husband Aaron Pfeipers of violently choking and threatening to kill her in a restraining order.

28:39So Erica's like, well, I'm sure I'll get us an update. Don't worry, Kyle. But you know what? The most important thing is that you're feeling things and that you sent her a text. That's what's important. yeah you sent her a text that's what matters so um uh then we go erica's like you know uh she's saying she feels really bad for denise because it's just a chaotic place to be in and how last year basically erica met up with denise last year and they both decided you know what like let's leave the past in the past let's just like move forward so erica's like well i'm looking forward to seeing you and giving you a big old hug and i was like say hello to her say hello to her for me He's like, I will.

29:22I'm talking about Donna Karan because we're like friends now. Who are you talking about? And Erica's like, well, you know, there's that clip going around of him squeezing her hand and stuff. And, you know, I knew I didn't like how he was talking about – he was talking to me and Teddy. And so we see the clip of when she and Teddy were coming for him. Wasn't that like the sudden opening or whatever? Yeah, this is when Kyle had her bangs. Yes, this is the bangs phone call. And he's like oh really You want to start that with me Oh really Oh really Oh god I can't wait to see that man Without a home We need an eviction cam on that man And his parents And his fucking parents too We're like how could you kick us out of the house We deserve this house in Malibu We take care of the dogs Get the fuck out of here both of you You raise that fucker All of you get out Yeah

30:26so now it's a little bit later in the hamptons it's time to get some glam on makeup that's all yeah makeup and guys that's what it is heels makeup it's girls night yeah so much so much drama is about to happen so they're getting ready and they get in the car and we're just like girls night. I was like, girls night. I'm so glad I didn't wear my like horse outfit that I was going to wear because it was like a lace skirt and then like had like a G string and like it shows your entire butt cheeks. It's been like crazy, right guys? Wow, Kyle. That's something I haven't seen you in. So that would have been great.

31:02I want to see Kyle. I want to see Kyle be the Kyle that I always heard Kyle was. Like not with a bonnet or like scrubs. The one that was always doing the splits. I was like, oh God, we don't see the splits enough now we have to get a montage of the splits and then we get bangs doing splits yeah no one has literally requested kyle to do the splits or do her ponytail thing ever except for rachel zo rachel zo oddly fascinated by kyle splits please don't don't don't don't ask for things you remember when kyle was fun oh my god yes so they get to the surf lodge and they They see the owner and Rachel's like, oh my God, I haven't seen you since Aspen.

31:48Oh my God, it's so good to see you. I'm going to just start saying that to people. We'll see how they react. Oh my God, so good to see you. I haven't seen you since Aspen. Yeah, it's like amazing. Like, oh my God, it's been so long since I've been in Aspen. All my friends in Aspen. Oh my God, I'm definitely not wallowing in this separation. I've been out probably for like the better part of the last year. I've like traveled and I've danced more than I've danced in the last 10 years. Like I'm literally dead. My legs are dead from dancing, dancing in the death, death, dance, death becomes her. And my heart is my life.

32:24I just love the idea of Rachel being such a dance addict when she's basically in a feathered caftan every time we see it. Like what is, is it just like a wind sock? Is that what it looks like? Yeah. She's just swaying. She's basically, she's basically like streamers on a tree. Yeah, I'm not wallowing in this separation. By the way, it's the fifth time I've mentioned it in this episode. And Dorit's like, well, it's been a long, long time since I've been out and living loose, dancing with the girls. But during my single days in New York City, the sun would be coming up and I'd be walking back to my apartment.

33:00Ooh, those days. I'm just having visions of Durie circa the year 2000 in Manhattan going to clubs and like the song Blue comes on she's like this is my jam it's blue da boo dee da boo da da boo dee da boo da one day I want to marry a man who turns this color when it gets below 50 degrees outside

33:25I get knocked down but I get up again you're never gonna throw me around that's the song that Pringles cans sing to PK. So they're kind of standing around, you know, listening to music. And Kyle's like, oh my God, I do not remember the last time Tariq and I would go out and have fun like this. Everyone's crazy. Play the splits montage again. Do it again. This is like so fun. And we also see Rachel. She's like, guys, guys, this is my friend. His name is Xander. Like, of course, Rachel knows someone named Xander who's in the band. He's in the band. Zander yeah he's 20 cents hey Zand yeah he's young hey Zand Zand love your hat you're such a musician you're so cool I've been like dance for months and months to your music Zand oh my god love you know most people call him Zand I just call him Zand just cause it's like I know I'm like a little bit better than most people so we're just like Zand if we ever make out I'm gonna just start calling him Zah we're gonna be so close Zah just gonna be like yeah Yeah.

34:32Sometimes it's just, yeah. I'm like, yeah. He's just like, he's like so musical, but he's like really deep. Wait. I think his music's like playing right now, but he's like right there. It's like crazy. Zan, I wanted you to meet my friends. They're not podcast people. You can talk to them. Yeah. So then we go back to Beverly Hills and Bose is going for a walk with Lail. And they're talking about how Lail is supposed to be getting a job. Lail. Lail. Please don't leave me, Laird. What am I going to do without you? So they start talking about how she needs a job, and she's like, no, I'm not doing it.

35:08Everything's hard. It's junior year. She's like, you know what? Everyone says junior year's hard. That's just their opinion. For you, junior year could be the most amazing year of all time. Stop being negative about the junior year. This is your journey. Write it down in a journal. Just kidding. That's stupid. You know, they're not called senior mints. They're called junior mints. It's a great time of year. So, Bo says that, For 16 years, Lael has been right by my side. I have to have a watch on her for 24 hours a day, because I'm tracking that child, okay? When she leaves, I'll still be able to track her.

35:40Thank you, technology. But I won't be able to check in on her and see her face and body language. I just have to believe whatever she tells me, and I don't know how to deal with that. I need to lay eyes on my girls. I need to see Lael! So, you know, it's like the typical, Oh, you're going away to college? I'm going to be so sad. So, Bo says, Well, I'm trying to get you a replacement here, but it's a little difficult. and so they'd start talking about the egg therapy and all this IVF therapy I asked my eggs this morning I said how are you doing they said I'm feeling scrambled calm down eggs

36:12sunny side yeah so they're talking about the IVF journey and she's like you know I don't know if I should get an egg donor or what I should do and she says she has a newfound respect for people who go through IVF multiple times because it's hard. You know, it's a lot of hard work. And so Lael's like, you've been a great mother to me, and I would love somebody else to be able to experience that. And she's like, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. You can keep the car for another month.

36:45You did it. So now we go to Amanda's house, and Erica shows up. And Amanda just has, like, the front door open, and Erica's like, well, this doesn't seem very safe. Okay, I'm going to come on in. So she comes in and Erica – and Amanda's like, hi. And then Amanda does this thing where she sort of like closes the door most of the way but not all the way. So then Erica closes it the rest of the way. And I was like – I just kept on thinking about this. Was Amanda just trying to have the door open? And was Erica like, no, but you're going to close the door? Or was she like, I can only push the door at this point.

37:18I need someone to help me get the rest of the way. I manifested that door closing and now it's closed. Yeah. I was like, why are you – I think it was for production. Collaborating. on this. You're supposed to leave it open so production can follow her in or whatever and Erica's like, fuck production. What have they ever helped me? It's called realism, okay? I'm closing it for you. I'm a fevers being. Dumb bitch. Actually, a method. Close the door. So she comes in and she's like, oh, I'm giving you coffee, but I'm going to do it in my promotional comp and yours says, money is my mood. And Erica's like, perfect.

37:53Love it. Yeah. Money is my mood and dick dick's my mood you got you got one that says dick is my mood here's the thing with erica and i'm going to speak in an extra baby voice about this she's someone i thought i'd never understand or like get along with but every time i talk to erica i like her more she's interested in my business and my thoughts about manifestation i like this I'm like, I guarantee Erica fucking hates you. I'm telling you that right now. About your manifestation business. And if anybody knows about manifestation, it's Erica. If anybody needs lessons on manifestation, that's who to ask.

38:35Erica was like on the down and out, met Tom, like lived this life on private jets in a mansion with the church in it. Okay? Now, she got sick of Tom. Now look where Tom is. He's in jail. And sure, Erica's not doing great right now, but she's sure come up a long way since she was on her down and outs this last time. She's doing just fine. I mean, listen, I'm not Erica's biggest fan, but if I'm going to learn to manifest from anyone, it's her. Yeah. She's scrappy. So, basically, where are we? And they're going outside, and Erica just sees all the toys, and she's like, oh, Jesus, this place is fucked up.

39:15Kids. Fucking kids. disgusting alright dum-dum how'd you feel about last night I mean I felt good in moments like by the way also Erica having to go right back to Amanda's house the next day jeez can you meet at a coffee shop that says money is my mood yeah I mean that's a schlep to go from Hamlet Park up to wherever they are because we've seen them film in a park today we saw them film was she at the LA River where was she she was off of sunset across the Beverly Hills Hotel Ben run your maps well according to the data they were at the Will Rogers Memorial Park Erica's like so how did you feel about last night I'll tell you how I felt stupid what a waste of time am I right should I write that in my journal and she's like well I felt good in moments well my best advice to you and you can tell me to fuck off because I'm not really listening to whatever the fuck you say is that you know if you say something then say it right away.

40:18Okay? So say something right away. Oh, I hear you. So like, quickly is what you're saying. Yeah, well, listen, I had a hard time in this group. I also had a really hard time last night because I had to sit on a dining bench. You know what that's like. So, now listen, my personal life was so turned upside down. There was a lot of judgment about it. And she's like, oh my God, from people who've known you for a really long time. Yeah, I mean, suddenly everybody cares about orphans and burn victims. I mean, bunch of bitches. You know, it didn't feel good. And it's an odd thing to be vulnerable and open and say you don't give a fuck about anybody but yourself.

40:51But I did it. And I feel much better now. Do that. And also, while you're at it, tell us about the cult. So Erica's like, I mean, she told us she was in the cult. And she opened up this line of conversation and questioning. So, like, how bad was it? What was it about? How did you get in? How did you get out? Are there any hot guys in there? Do they have money? Let me know. Did you have to put a phrase or a symbol on your vagina? Just let us know.

41:21Yeah, and by the way, for the record, Amanda did not open up this line of questioning. It was Dorit who's like, why are you having a hard time with this conversation? You're a cult. Or whatever that she said. That was like a non sequitur. So she's like, okay, you want to know about the cult from the beginning? Okay. Yeah, a second later, talk about you back. Go ahead, tell me everything. So Erica's like, I mean, this is new for me. I've known a lot of people. All right. Well, I've not known a lot of people in a cult. Well, that's not true. I did know one person in that NXIVM thing. But, you know, whatever.

41:53That's passe. I need a new cult. Who doesn't? So she's like, tell me about the cult. So Amanda's like, well, when I was in high school, I was in a youth group. Oh, wait. So what was it, like Christian or something? Or were you just dating young people? Was this like twink-centric or expamped? No. No, my parents are not religious, but I was in a very religious community, so I chose religion essentially. And growing up in the literal buckle of the Bible belt in a family that wasn't religious, I was always curious about God, and I loved going to church with my friends. And I was kind of exploring what religion was to me, and I don't think that was a bad thing for me.

42:32Okay, get to the cult part. Get to the cult part. When did the part start of fucking Twinks? Get to that part. When did you start wearing white robes and putting on sneakers and waiting for a spaceship? When Tom Cruise was there, did you have to have sex with him and Nicole Kidman wearing massive look-like crows? Yes or no? Well, my youth group was in Oklahoma, but the founder started a church in Florida, and a lot of us followed him. And the longer we were there, the more controlling he got. He started telling us who to marry, who to date, who to be friends with. And I was like, get out of town!

43:04No, that's what I did. I moved to Florida. Oh, no, it was an expression, but that's fine. I'd just like to say, I've never been so sad after hearing a story. I mean, Oklahoma, Florida, just fucking kill me. Why do cults always go to those places? Why can't they go someplace cool? Like, I don't know. The Lower East Side of Manhattan. So Amanda's, like, saying that the church was trying to isolate her from her family. And that she mentioned to the pastor that she had talked to her sister. and he was like, wow, like you would make your sister think that being with Jesus is not the greatest life imaginable?

43:42Why would you talk to your sister? So this guy would like cut her off, isolate her from her family. I mean, I grew up in a very, you know, I've talked about it here before. I won't go on forever. Don't worry. But I grew up in a very, very like, I mean, my first church, my first school was called Jesus Chapel. And I mean, that's just how I grew up. I grew up in like a crazy religious, you know, there's like different levels of religion, right? Especially Christianity. And I think I grew up in one of the crazier one with my meemaw talking tongues over dinner and stuff. I've told you about that. So to me, I'm just like, so you went to church?

44:16I need more. I need more from a cult story than you went to like a crazy church with a controlling preacher because, I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's why I'm fucked up. Maybe I wasn't a cult. I don't know. But I needed more from this story. This has been a lot of buildup. And I was like, so you went to church. Did you have to make like scenes about Moses or like the – did you ever have to make like an arc scene but like with cutout felt? Because I did. Wow. It's very culty. It's very culty. So she's like, yeah, I was isolated and I was controlled and I was cut off. And Erica's like, ooh, sounds good.

44:55So the twinks. And she's like, well, you know, like we had to pay money to the church too, which is how churches work, you know, because tithing and stuff. And so Erica's like, yes, you were financially isolated. She's like, yeah. So she was saying that she didn't want to get in trouble with the pastor being caught talking to her family and stuff. And so that's why it was a cult, basically, because they were trying to separate her from her family. So on Halloween in 2008, she went to church. She volunteered so everything would seem normal. and then she drove to her sister's house in Orlando. Yeah.

45:31And she's like, and after I left, the pastor called me with some rage and anger and definitely directed towards me. And he said not to contact anyone from the church because they looked up to me and might be influenced by me leaving. And I said, I'm never going to be in a cult again, but I will charge people thousands of dollars to learn how to manifest in a journal. But I will financially isolate some bees. You know, she's like, I went to this. But I did learn some financial lessons from it. I went to this church. They wanted money from me and they tried to control me. And I learned everything that I could from them and I moved on.

46:07Thank you. That's my cold story. Thank you.

46:14So she's like, you know, and after that, I just wanted to make something of myself in my life. So I planned to get my degree. I made my own money and I decided to help people. By taking their money and then telling them that that's somehow making their money. $500 for mugs that say I'm in a money state of mind or whatever. And Erica's like, well, this is the story we need. That's what the group needs to hear about you, especially the part about you fucking all the twinks. Wait, I never said, I love that part. Ill youth groups, sign me up. So back at the surf lodge with Zand, the women are now sitting at a table.

46:50Somebody who doesn't know Zand. Zan Zan Dorit Dorit like hasn't been in an environment like this Dorit when was the last time you were in like A super cool party With like young people just like Dancing but no matter where just like Cool and hip like me When was the last time It's been Dicardies Seriously Dicardies Cause like oh my god Well this night has just begun Ladies these yeah we're gonna be doing splits all over that stage when we're done with dinner so they order um food and everything and then zen za za and his friend with a bouffant arrives and they like sit at the table it's like oh my god like cool people are at the table right now guys are you from los anglise he's like uh no i'm from new jersey oh in east coast i'm in east coast all day Hello.

47:47I've been to the east coast of every country on the planet. Yeah, that's cool. Can I get a cocktail? Oh, yes. Yes, of course. Yes, yes. Let me pat my eyes at you a little bit more so you see that it's an attractive woman right here in front of you. I love when young men come and ask us for cocktails. The world has changed in such a lovely way, isn't it? you know it's funny because like when i look at our friend group like dorit really is the one who flirts the most like she likes to tease them and then like we'll meet someone and talk to her off like surprise what a flirt right i'm like i don't know kyle i saw that music video with you and morgan yeah that was pretty good um so she's like oh so how old are you guys he's like uh 26 lies sorry i was just sitting here like they're all lying here.

48:39They're all lying. He's like, 26, 20, 26, 20, that's a two at the beginning of that. Right. It's like, yeah. And then he goes, no, I'm 40. I didn't hear this part. Oh, 40. I was like, I'm so glad we have notes because I was like, this man is such a liar. I was, I don't know why I was so mad. I think I was mad because I just haven't found whatever Botox he uses. Cause I was like, that's amazing if he's 26. Yeah. Zan doesn't really give out his Botox to anyone. Okay. He's like, actually, I'm 40. And Rachel's like, oh, my God. Same age as us. You guys, I have a story. I have a story. This is so good.

49:17So I went to an Oscar party last year. And there was this guy. And he asked me for my number. And I was like, how old are you? And he was like, 26. And I was like, same. Same. Yeah. I was like, I turn 27 next month. I cannot We just like laughed Because like Being a fellow elder millennial He's just like Gets my humor Right So guys I saw this thing on my feed About Erica I texted her I'm worried about her That's what we do in the show When we're worried When we're super worried About people We text them And so we see the headline Erica Jane Headed to trial Over 25 million dollars Spent during Tom Girardi Marriage And Tariq's like Wait I don't understand And Kyle goes um well she's headed to trial and what do they think they're gonna get like 25 million dollars from her pack i mean she doesn't even have that i mean hello she lives in a small five million dollar home in hancock park i mean talk about a poor person right i don't know anything about this i try not to read about poor people it's just so depressing but i just want to make sure she's okay so i sent a text yeah well it's obviously bad news yeah and i mean i don't know if she knew that was coming yes kyle it's one of the same lawsuits that's been going on for like four ears now.

50:32I love that Kyle just never pays attention to anything. This is not a new lawsuit. This lawsuit has been there, Kyle. Hazan. Zan. Zan. Zan. You want to send a text to Erica? It means you care. Because guess what? You also have to say you don't care about any of this stuff because you're not materialistic about that kind of stuff. You don't care about the money. All you care about is the person, which is why we only go to super exclusive parties. Okay. Okay. So text him. And so Cal's like, yeah, okay, well, I'm just, like, really worried. I'm just, like, so worried. Because, like, it seems like when she gets past one situation, another one pops up.

51:07And then you hear numbers like this. And you think, like, what does that mean for her future? Like, forget emotionally. But financially, this is, like, a lot of weight to carry. And you know I don't say that phrase lightly. I'm like, everyone has to really just calm down. Erica will be fine. She has a very robust singing career to fall back on, guys. It's okay. Someone said she's about to DJ at the New York State Fair. so yeah she's killing it so back to the table Rachel's like yeah you guys it's like fucked up and so they're like oh my god what is she gonna do now she has to pay for lawyers yeah I still can't feel sorry for Erica I'm sorry I think Erica's having a good season Erica's had a good past couple of seasons and I would say probably one of the better reputation rehabs we've seen on these shows she's doing a good job but yeah I still don't feel sorry for her and justice for marco marco yeah um so uh then um uh xander he's like yeah hey we gotta go we gotta like do something this has been really like okay bye to like um not 40 year old gossip but we gotta go sorry by the way do me a favor and add a d back to the end of my name we're done here oh my god like that's actually the new thing the new thing like when you're like abbreviating someone's name is actually make it a little bit longer so like now we call him zandy yeah good to meet you guys good to meet you guys quail he had really soft hands who zander the one we were just speaking to i'm sorry i don't know what santa zinder the man who was right here pretended to be 26 for a second i don't know who you mean oh i'm sorry za do you mean za Do you mean Redna's?

52:57Yeah, the new thing to say is the name backwards. But I even shortened that. So it's Redna. Red. Just Red. Yeah, Red. So what's your type to read? Red Robin. I don't think I have a type. I mean, if you look at a dinner roll and you open it up and you see the inside and you say, God, I'm fantasizing about what this looked like uncooked. Something like that.

53:28Yeah, Dorit's like, PK is my type. Like, that's not a type, okay? Not PK. And then we see side-by-side images of PK and Xander, which is so cruel. Dorit goes, well, no, I don't have a type. I absolutely don't. And Rachel goes, well, no, you have a type. Like, let's see. Okay, okay, guess what? You're like a secretary and there's like something under your fingers and paper comes out. It's a type. It's a type, right? Okay. Let's see who you hook up with next. And that's what you're trying to do. Okay. Because I'm only attracted to my type and I would 100 % hook up with Brad Pitt right now. And then Dorit, really exposing yourself, goes, ew.

54:09It's like, oh my God, ew. What are you talking about? Brad Pitt? Are you okay? He's Brad Pitt. I don't read any headlines unless they have to do with Erica. like I have no idea about any abuse stories about Brad Pitt so like he's still really hot to me listen if you want to just think people are hot forever just don't read the news that's the trick it is kind of the trick it is but I just love that it's all going above Rachel's head like why wouldn't anybody why would anybody dislike Brad Pitt you know she doesn't get it at all and Teresa's like oh I can't I can't the man needs some Pringles or something

54:48see Dorit's like I told listen we can roll together because we'll never go for the same guy I love that like I have free reign over Zend apparently and she's like I love it I love it no I really don't have a type it's an energy thing for me charm charisma swag slothness likes to come up with stories about why we're hiding boy George behind a curtain so we say we tell people that there's black moles in the house things like that Win a strongman competition. I don't want to see someone get a big hammer and hit a little weight until it goes up and dings a bell. A strongman competition to me is put a blood pressure monitor on them and watch that thing explode.

55:27You know what I'm saying, ladies? My mother always said, don't marry the best looking man in the room. And I took that advice to heart. And look where it's got with me. We know. We've been watching this show, girl. And that didn't work either. And that's what I always tell people. I mean, one of my best friends was like, I'm going to start dating ugly guys. And I said, don't. They're dicks, too. Guys aren't just suddenly, like, great because, you know, we're not hot. Like, that's just not how it works. I mean, you might as well date a hot one if they're going to be an asshole anyway. Yeah. There's just no luck.

56:02So then Kyle's like, hey, Rachel, remember how you said that you, like, texted Erica because you really care about her? Guess what? I FaceTimed her earlier. I guess I just did it, like, a little bit better. But anyway, I FaceTimed Erica, and she, like, went to Amanda's event. and I guess Sutton and Amanda got into like a fight or something like that. And like, I guess Sutton said to Amanda, like you need to take accountability for your own thoughts instead of like trying to put it onto Kyle. And now you've like created an argument between Kyle and Dorit. So like, yeah, like that's what happened.

56:25Right, guys? Shut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, I'm still talking to Dorit. I can't believe that about Brad Pitt. Like seriously. Well, I give Sutton a lot of credit because this year she's checked in and she's really standing up for me and Coyle. So I like her now. and Rachel's like well I told you she came to my house and she was like saying on like she needs to work on how she reacts to things because it's like her reaction so Dorit says that she and Dorit Dorit says that she and Dorit have made big strides but she's also made big strides with Sutton and she's really excited about their evolving friendship and it seems to be going in the right direction so Rachel goes guys I'm not saying you would have gone to Amanda's event but like it's weird that you weren't invited to read.

57:12And she's like, no, but look, I'm a very easy person. Famously. That's what everyone always says about me. I'm very easy. So I don't even have an adverse reaction to like not even being invited, you know? You're like a little adverse. You're sort of like Xan around uncool people. Just like a little adverse. Yeah, you're a little. You are. Yeah, you're a little adverse. But I literally care more about the fucking hangnail than I do about this situation. And I was like, well, how would you be with her in a group then? I mean, just out of curiosity. I'd be great. I'd be cool, that's how I'd be. I'd be cool till I'd say, hello, Amanda.

57:45How are you? Did you talk about me today? And my divorce?

57:54If you were truly unbothered by something, you wouldn't even think about it. But the fact that she's worked up about it, comparing it to a hangnail, means that you're a little bothered by it. Maybe a lot. That's Kyle doing her thing when she's making a point in her confessional and she rattles her head every time she gets to a syllable. so she's like gotcha so rachel goes girls girls girls that was a three-girl alarm because guess what we're gonna go dance let's dance zander at surf lodge to his music okay let's dance because the night is like not even it is it's still daylight out there and you guys are gonna be in bed in an hour but who are you kidding

58:35No, it's not Like, look, you're free to go home whenever But I'm, like, not letting you Like, hang out with me It's gonna be so fun Hot Girl Summer, guys So now, um, we go to Madre Madre It's got an exclamation point at the end I just thought that It's like, Madre

58:57And, um, people arrive So Sutton and Erica sit at a table And Erica's like, hey, sparkles. And son's like, wow, okay. Well, is that a nickname for me now? Okay. Well, it's a rare occasion having a Saturday night out. Can you imagine using an entire Saturday night out in the summer to come to a restaurant on Fairfax Avenue? Wow. Are we in a different country? That's terrific. Where are we? This is crazy. I'm afraid someone's going to start my car on fire to keep warm. Can we just move this along? I'm wearing Erica dress today, which means I saw someone cooking a hot dog. You're welcome. over a trash can.

59:32Can we just... I see that there's a blue bottle across the street, but it's an actual just broken blue bottle. It's very sad. So they start talking about the last time they saw Denise, and Erica's like, oh, by the way, because it was on TV, so I had to go. So I sent her a text when everything happened, though, because that's what you do. And so I'm like, oh, I did too. I said, sending you a hug, and then I unsent it, but I think it went through anyway. And then I said, send you a hug. And I made the text go like, ooh. You know how you can do now? And so I think that was a little more loving. I almost called her, but then I just, I couldn't do it.

1:00:09So I unsent the text again, and I said, send in a hug. You know how you can do it? It just jumps at it to the text. Hey, who are you texting? I'm trying to text Sudden Distract to see if she'll come back.

1:00:25So Denise shows up, and they're like, oh, I love Denise. you doing i love denise this whole thing is such a fucking bummer man and we recapped the denise show so we watched all the episodes of denise's and aaron's show and i just feel like terrible that i didn't see this coming i was like wow they seem so happy yeah i i was also bamboozled by it quite a bit which is i guess how these things happen though truthfully so she comes in and first she starts talking about um her plastic surgery she got like a facelift and everything and she got it done three weeks six weeks ago which i think was detailed on the show if i remember correctly and she talked about how she got her boobs done and then son's telling us she's like i've had zero plastic surgery zero okay and you know that's true because you can see my face move when i say zero but when i first moved to beverly hills it was all boobs and all lips and that is not what I look like.

1:01:23So I gave it a – it gave me sort of an inferiority complex. Is that like – am I supposed to be looking like that? Is that what I'm supposed to do? I'm like, unfortunately, Sutton, that is probably your future at some point. I decided that instead of using a mirror for a mirror, I would use my Bank of America app. And then I felt much better, much, much better. I think Sutton looks great. I don't think she needs a damn thing done to her. Of course not. Yeah. But I just worry that she's going to cater to it all. Although as long as she has Reba there, Reba will be like, what are you doing to your face?

1:01:57What's the matter? You don't want to look like this? I'll be back. I'll be back, Mother. Going to the doctor. But no, I think Sutton looks great. It is very rare to meet somebody, especially there, who's never had anything done. I mean in general, right? I was watching Celebrity UK and I was like, oh my gosh, this is such a different celebrity culture because everybody doesn't have their faces all tweaked and blown up and done different. So, you know, good for you. It's bravery. It is bravery. So you get used to it. You get used to it in LA. I remember when I first moved to LA, I was also shocked by the amount of plastic surgery.

1:02:31It used to be growing up, if you saw someone who had like a nose job or anything, it was like, whoa. But also growing up, if I saw someone with a tattoo, I was like, whoa. But now it's become so much more commonplace, not just in LA, but also just in American culture. It's just more normalized. Tattoos and it is more normalized But especially like in LA it's really really normalized Where I'm like hmm okay And I think also honestly for Bravo viewers Like the fact that we can just sort of Be like oh look there's Larsa Pinnin You know like we're unfazed by it now Well I was gonna say yeah you go to LA and you think it's bad And then you come to Miami Wow I know

1:03:09Everyone looks like that Flying thing that Bowser's in Hey I'm gonna make myself You know, I'm going to do a couple little tweaks here and there. It's like, okay, what from Home Depot can we melt and put inside of just change me? Make me look completely. I want to look like anime. Just make me look like anime. I mean, it's bold. Everyone just looks like circles within circles. Like eyes are circles. Lips are circles. Noses are circles. Faces are circles. Just circles and circles and circles. Yeah, it's like those modern lights that they hang everywhere now that are big circles. You know, just like a circle on top of a circle on top of a circle.

1:03:44so um sudden uh so erica's like uh yeah well i didn't like how my neck was looking it wasn't youthful so i was like if i could do something about it i'm gonna do it you know inject as many peptides fucking hormones do filler botox sculpture but nothing beats a needle in a thread girl just rip it off put it back on it's true i mean i should say it's but i'm not so much it's true but more like it's true like you know what like whatever do it it's not that big of a deal So as much as we're saying this, like, oh, my God, normalize. The truth is if you want – if like you're allowed to do things to make yourself look better, people get changed their haircuts.

1:04:21I'm all into it now. I remember when we first started talking about these shows and it was like – it's youth when you're like, oh, I don't need that. I would never do that. I'm just going to be happy with my – but then you do start to need it and you're like, oh, what can you do with my neck? Can you just get a chip clip? I do it sometimes with chip clips. Just put chip clips. And I'm like, just cut here. That's how I'm going to go to the doctor. All right. I've chip clipped my perfect face. Now just go for it. Go for it. Yeah. So then Denise is saying like, oh, well, it's nice that you guys are getting along.

1:04:58And Eric is saying, you know, without the vodka, something is fun. I'm like, for you, maybe. Maybe for you. Well, she's reasonable. She's not reactive. and as a result, our friendship has improved. It's actually fun and I can't believe I'm saying that. I'm like, yeah, let's bring that together. Yeah, and Denise is. Because guess what, you're boring. Denise is like, hey, lady, well, it's good to see you two are getting along. That's good to see. She's like, yeah, we are actually kind of getting along. She's like, yeah, because it's not a drug anymore. Yeah, and time, you know, time helps. Time and understanding.

1:05:33Okay, whatever. I had to understand the reality of my own life, which is that sentence, a cranky old bitch, and I hate her. And once I got past that, I could be a friend again. So it's like, uh, me too. Yeah, thanks. So then basically Erica starts talking about like she's got her court cases going on, you know. And like, yeah, that's draining. They're kind of like they're sort of getting stuff out of the way before they can really dive into the conversation. And so Erica's saying, yeah, I'm being sued by Tom's bankruptcy trustees, but his personal – both his personal bankruptcy and the Gerardy Keese bankruptcy trustees.

1:06:11And this is designed to break me, designed to drive me into bankruptcy, designed to be annoying and to make an example and to punish me. And nothing about this feels good. Yeah. So Denise is talking about – like I get that because people really don't understand what's going on behind closed doors. You know, and it's like zero. OK, well, let's talk about it. So they start talking about Denise's abuse stuff and the black eye because there was a black eye photo that came out and it's bad. They show it again here. It's really bad. And Erica's like, yeah, I'm going to just go ahead and say right now that's obviously not a one time thing.

1:06:50And Denise is like, no, it wasn't. So they asked her when it started. And Denise said it started a while ago, but it was kind of a slow burn to, you know, it was like a ramp up. basically it got worse and worse and when she told her dad about it he said why didn't you say something and she said you know i can't say something to you and then stay with the guy like that's not how it works you know and so she was she kept it a secret yeah and then she tells this terrible story about um after her facelift she was under anesthesia for all this time she had a drain and all this stuff and he helped her to the bathroom and he like while she was sitting on the toilet he he basically like hit her and like it's like wow like after surgery like you literally you fucking monster you know it's just like it's yeah this is really bad um and um her drain hit like came out and hit the toilet paper thing and she she was like this is when i knew like this is just it's gotten so out of hand like there's no saving this and um erica Because like, so what happened then on the 4th?

1:07:57And then we see another headline that says Denise Richards details fight with Aaron on July 4th, their date of separation. And she's saying it was awful. He hit me again right after a facelift. And she said, so I filed a restraining order and that's why we're getting a divorce. And I told, she jokes. She's like, I told Charlie he's making him look like a saint. She kind of laughs. And this is just fucking terrible. what a vile piece of shit this guy is. My God. Yeah, seriously. And, you know, Erica's saying, you know, we just, I just, I want you to know that I only wanted what was best for you, you know?

1:08:36And she says, Denise is saying it's a lonely feeling and everything. And, you know, Erica's saying, I know it's like very isolating. And, but then Erica does, she suddenly reveals that she also went through some abuse. And she said it wasn't one of her husbands but it was someone actually recently. But she doesn't say who it is. Yeah, she says that she met some guy that she was hooking up with and a few months later it turned into chaos. And she's like, you know, Sutton, do you have a question? Because we're good, so you might as well ask it now. Because Sutton's like, um. You know, Sutton's giving that look.

1:09:10And she goes, well, I was just going to say, you know, you mentioned it happened to you, so what was that? And so Erica talks about her stuff a little bit, but, you know, like you said, doesn't tell us who it was. And Sutton's like, oh my god, she's so strong And this whole scene was just Sad, it was like one sad thing On another one On top of another one But it was nice to see them all You know, kind of Yeah And it also is a very sad acknowledgement that this happens No matter who you are To a lot of people You can get sucked into it I mean, that's why it's interesting that they put it on the same episode And it was probably intentional They put it in the same episode where Amanda talks about being in a cult because people can wind up being lured into toxic, dangerous situations.

1:09:53It doesn't matter how smart you are or how, quote, unquote, strong you are. These things happen to everyone across the spectrum. Wow. Bummer. It's terrible. Bummer. But it's not always just jokes. What are you going to do? Not always jokes. And Aaron – It opens the door at all for Denise to come back. I would be totally down for Denise to come back That would be good I think maybe it would Yeah, she kind of knows how it works now She doesn't have Rena there Coming for her I would like to see it But time will tell everybody So that's it Go grab tickets for the Crappies next Friday One week from today Oh my god Coming up, go get it at watchwhatcrappens.com Also where you get live streaming tickets And we'll talk to you guys next time Bye.

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