#3228 RHOP S10E19 Reunion 2: Bizarre Love Triangle (Part 1)

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1:53Ben Mandelker: I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today is the wonderful and lovely Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How's it going?

1:59Ronnie Karam: Well, hello. How's it going, buddy?

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3:55Ronnie Karam: Good one, fun times I don't vilify my accomplishments Ashley, you dummy You don't have any That's where we start off Ashley saying to Wendy Well, I don't vilify my accomplishments Oh, Ashley, oh my god Wendy's like, that's because you don't have any accomplishments

4:13Monique: And she's like, well, I have one Social Security. I know that's an accomplishment.

4:20Ben Mandelker: Wendy's like, I do two. I have one. I do two. She goes, okay, well, yours says six, seven. Okay, six, seven otherwise. And she starts doing six, seven. And Wendy's like, in what document does it say I have others? And then we see on screen, we see a headline that says prosecutors reveal Potomac star Wendy Osefo has very little money and 67 credit cards after fraud arrest.

4:44Ronnie Karam: Yeah, but, you know, those aren't all social security numbers. Just while we're nitpicking here. Just basically supporting the economy. People have to work at these various cards. Discover MasterCard. Yeah, someone has to help the poor people of Citibank. Come on, Ashley.

5:01Monique: And she's like, six, seven, six, seven, man.

5:04Ronnie Karam: I'm like, okay, are we talking about the age of your next husband? Quiet over there, Ashley. And Wendy's like, well, it never said six, seven. It never said six, seven.

5:12Monique: Oh, really? Radar online says it.

5:15Ronnie Karam: And Giselle's like, not six, seven. Nah. So Wendy's like, well, if you had accomplishments, you would speak of them. And Andy's like, well, I'm assuming that you don't accept Ashley's apology. Is this an apology, Andy? Why are we acting like Ashley's sitting here apologizing? I know.

5:32Ben Mandelker: I don't seem to remember hearing any apology in any of this. Wendy's like, well, it's not that I don't accept. It's that I feel like Ashley's full of shit. And doubly, I feel like Ashley set up the BravoCon and she said dot, dot, dot.

5:44Tia: And we go to BravoCon and Ashley says, well, I realized that this is in no way a lighthearted situation for Wendy. So I'm like really sorry for how it came to be for how I came for Wendy. And I really mean it.

5:54Ben Mandelker: But then Wendy's like, you lied because you said that at BravoCon and now you're coming for me again.

5:59Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And Stacey's like, well, you know, you wouldn't even look at her and apologize to her at BravoCon.

6:05Monique: She's like, well, that was, you know, that was, it's not a different story than today. It's the same thing.

6:10Ronnie Karam: And Wendy's like, because what you don't know is that I know that you texted Stacey. And when Stacey was asking you if you feel bad, Wendy's locked up. You sat there and you said, no, I don't feel any way. She deserves it. And then we see the text of this text exchange. We see a screenshot of this text. And Stacey is saying, I legit had nightmares last night.

6:30Monique: Are you upset? And she's like, yes and no. Personally, for her beautiful children. But she has been very condescending to many of us. Which I think is fair.

6:39Ronnie Karam: I wish Ashley just stood in her truth and was like, well, that's true. I mean, you act all holier than thou for seasons at a time, and now I'm supposed to cry when you get in trouble. Sorry. But Ashley's a wuss about it and feels like she has to go with the flow of everybody, you know, feeling sorry for her.

6:54Ben Mandelker: Yeah. So Wendy's like, so you can lie if you want to, but the receipts say something different.

6:59Tia: And Ashley's like, well, first of all, in the moment when you made the joke, it was like when, you know, your devilish grin mugshot came out. And that's what I thought. Number one, number one.

7:07Ben Mandelker: It's just like, she was like, look, the joke was there. I had to go for it. I'm sorry. And Stacy says, well, I texted you, Ashley, and I said I could not sleep because I was so worried about Wendy. And you were like, well, I mean, she gets what she deserves.

7:19Tia: That's what she said. That's what Ashley said. And she was like, well, I'm not losing sleep over Wendy doing something that she potentially did.

7:27Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it's like, what, are we all going to not be able to sleep after we watch Cops? I mean, you know. By the way, on the plane home yesterday A guy was watching Police chase videos the whole way in front of me Wow That's so bizarre Like six hours It was like six hours of this guy We're just watching the police chase people down

7:47Ben Mandelker: The woman next to me was watching Tell Me Lies the entire time And also just blowing her nose Just like snot And Tell Me Not Lies the entire time She's very nice But like wow The amount of fluids coming out of her So I was like tell me lies How about tell me about Kleenexes Am I right everyone

8:06Ronnie Karam: I know I was going to say tell me Kleenex Here's one Use it

8:09Ben Mandelker: Very attractive cast on that show I think I may have to watch it now I was like they're just so pretty

8:15Ronnie Karam: I need to get involved Yeah I don't know Teenagers fucking I'm just not into those shows I feel like they're creepy You know I was watching I watched the first episode of that one on HBO Euphoria What's it called Yeah Euphoria And I was like, I'm not watching this. I feel perverted watching it. They all look five, you know. So anyway, back to this. Ashley is like, well, I'm sorry I hurt your children.

8:40Monique: And she's like, my kids don't know your ass. They don't want anything from you. And she's like, well, but I'm sure they saw what I said. I mean, of course your kids saw me on BravoCon.

8:48Ronnie Karam: I mean, come on. Everybody knows my work at BravoCon. Wendy's like, no, my kids don't care. Okay, well, then if your kids don't care, then why are we crying about it? Right. Not Wendy personally, but I mean the show being like, oh, how could you see us children? Okay, if your kids don't care, then they don't care. Let's move on.

9:07Tia: All right, well, I want to move on.

9:08Ben Mandelker: I'm glad you said that. And now she's like, can I say something, Andy? I just, I need to do a little circle back real quick. Okay. Which is also something I did with Teresa's son. Anyway, a lot of people in this group, they call me messy. You know that I'm like starting all this shit. And what I realized is that the dynamic of this group is just different.

9:26Tia: And Kiana was like, oh, what do you think has changed so much in the group?

9:29Ben Mandelker: And she goes, well, you know, previously, Karen would go tit for tat with me. And Wendy then says, yeah, we had thickest skin back in the day. We had very thick skin. I was like, Wendy, do you have a thick skin? I'm not sure about that.

9:44Ronnie Karam: Wendy's never been very thick skinned. And I like that we're in a segment about Wendy not having thick skin about a joke. And she's like, oh, yeah, back in the day, it was better. The OGs have like we all had thick skin back in the original version.

9:57Ben Mandelker: Yeah, then we see like a montage of Karen and Ashley and Giselle being pretty awful to each other. You know, the famous Sing Sing quote and everything. And then Ashley comes back.

10:05Ronnie Karam: And it's specifically jail jokes, which I really like that Potomac did. They were like, oh, yeah, get the one where you're like, oh, really? Well, your husband better watch out because he's going to be going to the clink, clink, Ashley, clink, clink, clink, clink, Ashley. And then, you know, like every jail comment they've ever made, the Sing Sing in a hot box.

10:24Ben Mandelker: just like makes you realize they have a lot of jokes about jail and so then ashley is like you know and i can acknowledge that perhaps i need to adapt you know more to maybe the various levels of sensitivity or boundaries with the other ladies of this group she's in a way saying like look i know we're fighting but like let's remind the newbies that they're the problem here they're too sensitive like we can't we can't get on we can't ruffle each other's feathers because Because it's the newbies who are the sensitive ones.

10:53Monique: Yeah, she's coming with the argument of like, oh, everyone's trying to cancel everybody now. You can't say anything these days.

11:00Ben Mandelker: Yeah, she's doing cancel culture on the reunion. She's like, well, I just have to be, you know, mindful that other people are more sensitive. And then she looks directly at Kiana and Angel.

11:12Ronnie Karam: And I mean, look, Ashley, you know, but you still would have to argue about that stuff at the reunion. It's not like you could say those stuff and not get called out for it. But I think that she's correct in the way that Angel is like just too much of a wuss. She can't take it. You know, I don't know if I'd call her a wuss. I would just say that she well, yeah, she can't take it. She's it's just not the right environment for her. You know? Yeah.

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14:02Ben Mandelker: so Giselle's like yes like the gin chick of it all and the catfish of it all and the eviction of it all it just would have been something that would roll off the back of your back and Karen's like and the honesty of it all and Giselle's like yeah just would have rolled off it wouldn't have been a big deal so then Angel goes well you know what I get to be me I'm a black woman and black women aren't monolith and I get to feel how I want to and that's the end of it because there are other examples you can use and you don't have to pinpoint me. Like, no, you're, you're the sensitive one angel.

14:32Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You are the sensitive one. And I don't think she's saying black women are a monolith. I think she's saying real housewives need, it's like, you can't, you can't go into a football game and be mad that someone tackles you. Like it's, I think that they're trying to say like, it's football. There's no crying in baseball. You know, as Tom Hanks once famously said. And Giselle's like, well, those are examples from the season. No. I'm like, yeah, and they're all ones I think that you were kind of instigating. I mean, the chin check she didn't instigate, but she definitely pushed it forward a lot, you know.

15:06Ronnie Karam: But the catfish and the eviction was Giselle. Giselle's like, what, you can't come after me for being mean? It's what I do. You get mad at the Dunkin' Donuts man for bringing in donuts? No.

15:18Tia: So Andy is like, okay, well, is there anything you would do differently if given the chance, Angel? And she says, well, I would have shown my funner, more bubbly side.

15:28Ben Mandelker: And I regret that if that didn't happen. But don't worry, you'll get to know me.

15:35Ronnie Karam: Once you get to know me. Where's that side, Angel? Where is it? Bring it out right now. Let's get it a cake. Bring it out. We'll have a birthday for it. Where is it, Angel?

15:49Ben Mandelker: She's been dangling that carrot all season long. You'll get to know me. You'll see I could be fun. But right now I'm going to cry. All right.

15:57Monique: Well, we'd love to see that side at some point. Maybe we'll see it on Instagram, possibly with whiskers and on a hook because it's a catfish. All right. Well, I want to move on. After all, we're finally who we're finally getting divorced. Ashley Darby entered her first annual season, second bloom, whatever that means. But one thing is for sure. The shady flower really can't sing on key. Why do you keep using microphones, Ashley? Come on. Stop it.

16:29Ben Mandelker: And because it's Bravo in 2026, they make sure that this montage, of course, includes Mauricio. Hey, ladies. Hi, Giselle. How are you, Giselle?

16:40Ronnie Karam: The great Mauricio blessing of 2026. He's on every fucking show. Get him off the TV. Hey, everybody. It's me, Mauricio. don't forget to fix the cracks in your ceilings am I right?

16:54Ben Mandelker: it's really just like it's too much

16:56Tia: well Ashley Mauricio from the next TV show that's going to air right after this says hey did you really get 20 million dollars from Michael Darby was it really worth it

17:09Ronnie Karam: 20 million dollars from Michael Darby does anybody believe that no absolutely not no way

17:17Ben Mandelker: she says one thing I've learned on this platform The form is I would never, ever, ever tell anybody how much money I have or have gotten from my marriage, which means that she did not get$20 million. She got a cool$750 ,000. I'm just going to say it right now.

17:32Ronnie Karam: That's your guess? Yes. Yeah, if this was prices right and I was guessing, I would say she probably got like a cool round a million. But that includes like the purchase of her home and stuff like that. And then she'll be on like some kind of payment with the kids, you know, child support and stuff like that. But$20 million? No. No, there's no way. No way. I don't see nothing. What is priceless, though, is seeing that Ashley got a second episode package. Because the second episode is always the most boring episode on The Housewives. And when you're relegated to the second episode, that's really sad.

18:07Ronnie Karam: And that's when Ashley's package is. So I love that for her. Because I think that Ashley was being really mean this season. Meaner than usual. I didn't like it. It was a subtle difference, I think, in the Ashley that we've known from the past. But it was definitely meaner. And I think she was trying to get, you know, she was definitely going for first or third episode energy and she didn't get it. Yeah, she didn't.

18:29Ben Mandelker: She got stuck in the she got stuck in the quagmire known as episode two of reunions.

18:35Tia: So Andy's like, well, how's co-parenting going? She's like, very good. I'm really talking about your boyfriend, Josh. How is it going? Co-parenting him. That's pretty good, too. All right. Pretty cool. Okay, so I feel like that answer always changes, though, right? She says, yeah, it does, but, like, it's been consistently really good. Okay, and what about it? What about Josh? Where are you two these days? Let me guess. At a lid store at the mall, huh? Well, we hang out quite a bit.

19:05Ronnie Karam: And Stacy is just horrified. She's like, oh, wait a minute. You're dating Josh?

19:12Monique: And she's like, I am. But you broke up with this man on camera. You humiliated poor Josh. I did not humiliate him.

19:21Tia: I humiliated myself first by didding him, okay?

19:26Monique: And then when the cameras went down, I told him my real feelings, okay, after the cameras went down. Oh, so now everything's good? That's what you did? Who else heard it, Ashley?

19:34Ronnie Karam: Who else heard it? And she says, well, I broke up the night before. And Angel's like, I heard it. Now she says, when we sat in the car, I broke up with Josh two nights before, and he asked me to get back together the next day. and so then we filmed the scene. So you broke up with him two nights before. He called you to get back together. So you called him, you brought him on camera and then you dumped him again? Yeah, I don't know if I believe that.

20:00Ben Mandelker: And Angel's like, well, that was all when cameras were down.

20:03Tia: And Ashley goes, my feelings, my feelings were still the same and Josh wanted to go out and I said, it has to be on camera. That's how the situation went. It has to be on camera.

20:13Ben Mandelker: like she's like if you want me to go out a second time it has to be on camera so that way America can see me humiliate you it doesn't really make sense to me

20:21Ronnie Karam: well yeah you know for anyone confused about what the fuck Ashley's talking about I think they're just pointing out that Ashley is a faker and doing another fake storyline by being like uh oh have to break up with you and she never broke up with him or like when she said I broke up with Josh and then went on Love Hotel and clearly never broke up with Josh You know, I think she's just been called out for being a liar. So Andy asks her about the kiss with Charisse's 27-year-old son. Jackson, 27 years old. He's so innocent.

20:56Monique: How could you? How could you?

20:59Ben Mandelker: Yes. And Andy's like, Charisse spoke about it publicly and said it made it feel uncomfortable. Is there anything you want to say about it? She's like, well, in the moment that I told Charisse, you know, that I told Charisse I was ready to deal with it. Like, you know, if she was upset, I was going to apologize. But then she did nothing. She's like laughed it off. And she goes on a press tour and she starts saying all this stuff. And like, where was that energy when I was talking to your face? You know, and I think that's true. Yeah. I mean, I think Charisse should have said something in that moment.

21:26Ben Mandelker: I also think it could have been like Charisse thought it was like funny. And then as she thought about it later, it was like, wait a second. but like of course charise is gonna like try to extend the moment and make a press tour about

21:39Ronnie Karam: and go everywhere yeah charise was just trying to get some interviews you know because it's like how often do people call to interview charise not often not often because you need a real answer to that i think she was just so excited and when she saw people mad online because i remember seeing one comment um on some some post she made and they were like well charise you should be mad because this is one of your friends dating your son and that's disgusting. You should be mad. She's like, oh, I never thought of it that way. Now I'm mad. And then she went on this whole press tour about it and, you know, got the attention.

22:14Ben Mandelker: And so Andy asked them what they all thought about Ashley hooking up with Sharice's son. And Wendy's like, well, I thought it was terrible. I don't think that's right because once I see you as a child, no matter how old you are, you're always that child to me. So that's how I look at it. And he's like, okay, yeah. So

22:30Tia: let's get back to the sexy stuff Did he make the first move? How's his chest? Is he a good kisser? Tell me everything.

22:37Monique: Morals aside, did he talk about me? Did he ask about me? Did you show him any texts between us? Do you have any dick pics?

22:46Ben Mandelker: Give us everything. So she says it was only a kiss. And Wendy says, but you alluded to more. And she's like, I did. And I alluded to more even with Sharice. Like, look at me being upfront about how I alluded to things. Look how honest I am.

23:03Ronnie Karam: I'm honest about alluding. I'm honest about suggesting a lie, but not actually lying. Honest illusions by Ashley. So they're like, so did you fuck him or not? And Angel's like, well, why couldn't you give Sharice a heads up about her son before you turn that into a storyline?

23:22Monique: And she's like, well, Sharice has told me numerous times that she wants me to date her son. You know, and when I tell you numerous times, she says it so many times. And Giselle's like, yes, she calls Ashley her daughter-in-law.

23:35Tia: And Andy's like, whoa, really? Sounds like her son has had an attraction to you. I mean, he's 27 years old, going on 28. He's a strong man of good stock, big shoulders and a rock-hard chest. And got to imagine what those hands must feel like around your body.

23:52Ben Mandelker: Andy, come back to us.

23:55Tia: Andy, do you have a boner?

23:57Monique: I do. Okay, moving on.

24:00Ronnie Karam: Stacey's like, well, that doesn't make it right, Andy.

24:02Monique: Just because he's 27, it's breaking mom code. It's breaking girl code. It's breaking QVC. What a stone code. I would never do that. I would never do that, Andy.

24:14Tia: Well, just for everyone to know, Jackson and I are 10 years apart. Well, I guess that means that we're probably about like 25 years apart if you think about it. And, you know, it's not unheard of for someone to have a Silver Fox kind of daddy relationship. Andy? Andy, are you still with us? What? Never mind. Potatoes. They're the best, right? What are we talking about?

24:36Monique: Well, if Charisse has been saying that you would be great together and I want you to be my daughter-in-law, I mean, that's a crucial piece of information that we've been leaving out, which leads me to believe I still have a chance.

24:51Ben Mandelker: And she goes, well, it could have been a joke what she said.

24:54Tia: And now she goes, no, no, no. She said it all the time, Andy. Every time. All the time. She's always like, you could be my daughter-in-law. That would be the worst. Or you better not go near my son because then you'll wind up as my daughter-in-law. Terrible.

25:07Monique: I mean, when I tell you all the time she said, especially right after, I mean, I was done with Michael. And she's like, oh, now you can get with Jackson. You know, all the time, Andy, all the time.

25:16Ronnie Karam: So now we talk about Ashley and the sister who we saw this season and how heartbreaking it was because the dad is an addict and, you know, all this stuff. And we're softening up Ashley right now. We're like, Ashley, it's nice that you don't only lie for storylines, but you also drag your family's traumas in to use the storylines. Good job.

25:39Monique: And she's like, yeah, well, I don't know if he's sober, but I'll just say this. Could be better.

25:47Tia: All right. Well, on the Colorado trip, you were mad at Giselle for stunting your connection with Mauricio, were you not?

25:54Ben Mandelker: And then we have like, hey, Ashley, nice to meet you. I'm Mauricio. Look, I'm even showing up within the flashbacks of me showing up. My nested Mauricio. Giselle's like, can I just say, I was mad at Giselle for that as well. And Giselle's like, why? I was adamant. I was not going to let anyone get with Mauricio.

26:13Tia: Giselle seemed to be worried about girl code But you did not care Ashley It was almost like you saw Mauricio and thought Wow that's just kind of like an old version of Charisse's son I'm gonna go for it

26:24Monique: Well I do know Kyle But I want to give Stacey props Because Stacey knows I'm single And she was trying to make something happen And I was just going along for the ride I didn't want anything

26:34Ronnie Karam: And Stacey's like you wanted it

26:36Monique: She's like no I didn't

26:37Ronnie Karam: Giselle's like Stacey wanted it Stacey is the one who wanted it

26:40Monique: Stacey loves everybody but Timo Stacey wanted it

26:45Ben Mandelker: She's like no I wanted it for Ashley So she would shut the fuck up basically And Ashley's like Yeah so yeah Whatever so they're just like laughing about how Stacey was like all up on Mauricio and everything And Andy's like okay I want to move on Word on the street Ashley is that you were dating

27:01Tia: A politician So Is this true And also if you really think about it Considering that there's someone from the real world who's currently in the White House, it's not crazy for one of our stars to date a politician, if you think about it now.

27:20Ronnie Karam: It is not really crazy to think of people dating a politician, do you think? I think these days it's like anything goes. Yeah, they act like politicians are these above the moral code people. I mean, they're a bunch of tacky clowns at this point.

27:39Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, Sean Duffy is like, I forgot the name of his position, but he was on The Real World. And now he's like, you know, what's it, Interior or whatever. I can't. Secretary of Interior? I can't remember. But it's like the reality stars and government are starting to cross pollinate. So it really is not that crazy that like someone might date Ashley. But I also feel like Ashley dating like a congressman, especially like an old congressman, feels like a movie from the 80s, you know, like they meet in some meet cute thing and they have this little thing and they like she rides in the back of his motorcycle around D.C.

28:18Ronnie Karam: One of his friends in the Senate is like, I dare you to date that girl. She lets her kids sit on the counter and that's really dangerous. I dare you. So he makes her think that she loves him. And then she finds out it was all a bet. She's like really hurt. But meanwhile, Josh has still been in the trunk of her car the whole time.

28:34Monique: She's like, just wait, Josh. I've got something in the works.

28:37Ben Mandelker: So then the congressman, to show that he really loves her, gets up and then does like a filibuster for 24 hours. Be like, I love you for 24 hours straight.

28:45Ronnie Karam: And then she realizes that she's been the politician this whole time.

28:49Ben Mandelker: Because she has the idea for like the bill that brings together the House. At long last, our fractured government comes together because Ashley has like a really good idea. Yeah.

28:58Monique: She's like, I wanted to speak to you, America Living me slowly with his song

29:07Ronnie Karam: Oh no, the credits are all Everybody just leaves They just end the movie on her climactic moment She just wins because there's no one there to vote It automatically passes

29:19Ben Mandelker: Yeah, great, love it I'll watch it So the rumor is that she's dating a politician And she says that she was and she says, what's impossible about it? And he's like, yeah.

29:33Ronnie Karam: That is impossible.

29:35Monique: A politician?

29:36Ronnie Karam: I love Stacey. Every time they say anything to Ashley, Stacey's just horrified by it. She dated a child. She dated a politician? Never. Ashley. Like everything they say, Stacey just does this whole scandalized thing to get Ashley back. It's cracking me up. Andy's like,

29:53Tia: why is it impossible, Stacey?

29:55Ben Mandelker: And she goes, I mean, not with your history, which I don't know really what that means, but it's like both like very insulting, but also so judgy. And Ashley's like, I am.

30:06Ronnie Karam: I mean, she's a bottle girl who is married to an old man who was accused of assaulting one of the cameramen that she stood up for and tried to. I mean, there's a lot. That's just that's just the two second version.

30:17Ben Mandelker: So. Right. So Ashley is like, I'm an upstanding, beautiful woman. And you better sit your stank ass breath over there. Stacy goes, who literally slept with your friend's son? Really upstanding? She's going to use Teresa's son against Ashley's burgeoning political career.

30:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah, exactly. And your stink ass breath thing is just like, it's so old, Ashley. It didn't work. It never really worked. Keep trying, Ashley. Keep trying. And she's like, yeah, you fucked a child.

30:46Monique: And she's like, it wasn't a child. He was 27 years old. Stink breath. So Ashley's like, hush up. And I will say it with a capital U. Capital U, upstanding citizen.

30:58Ronnie Karam: Oh, okay.

30:59Tia: Okay, all right.

31:01Monique: Capital U for vilify.

31:04Tia: All right, but you're not dating the politician anymore. Who is hotter, the politician or Charisse's son? Can you give me explanations of both? And if you only have time for one, let's just focus on Charisse's son. Thank you very much.

31:18Ronnie Karam: And just I was like, well, actually, I thought this question was about me because I'm the one who's dated a politician. Nah, so I was confused. And they all just look at her and they're like, what? And Andy and Wendy at the same time go, when were you dating a congressman? She's like, well, now I'm telling on myself.

31:34Ben Mandelker: And they're like, yeah, what's, where's this? And Andy's like, so after the season, you dated a congressman after the season? She goes, yes, after the season, nah. And Kiernan's like, oh, Giselle, you have such an amazing dating life. Why does this not come to the group? Like, you have an amazing dating life, which was her very friendly way of being like, you're coming after us all season long and you don't even share your shit. Yeah, of course.

31:59Monique: All right. Well, Jackson from Five Guys wants to know, what do you see yourself doing in the next chapter of your life? Bo's Delores. And she's like, well, funny that you could ask because I brought a book cover because I'm actually writing a children's book.

32:15Ronnie Karam: Oh, for Christ's sake. My God. Is it about dating? So she holds it up and they're all very nice to her about it. It's called The Wonder Club. Get the fuck out. It's a children's book hard to write. Write the book then before you come to the reunion promoting it. Like you have to write one page and spread it out over 30 with pictures in it. Ashley, do some work before you just bring me the cover of this book.

32:42Tia: All right. Well, Kay, this season we got a closer look at your life, your business, your condo, your man, your things. But you made it clear you were not chasing no ring. Watch.

32:56Ben Mandelker: And then we see what we've all been waiting for, which is the very scintillating and exciting extended montage of Kierna's season on the show.

33:06Ronnie Karam: Yeah. You know the scene I wanted to see in the leasing office of that condo? That's the scene I want to see of Kierna's. The rest of it is all lies. So he's like, okay, so the ring is coming. And she's like, yes, yes, it is, Andy. And she reaches behind her on the pillow. She's got a prop. And she pulls it out. And he's like, oh, my God, is the ring alive? What are you pulling out?

33:26Monique: Oh, my God, what is it?

33:27Ronnie Karam: It's the picture frame. It is the picture frame she got during the year.

33:31Monique: And she's like, it's my picture frame because everybody wanted me to hate it so much. And I still loved it so much. So I love my picture frame. I'm not ashamed of my picture frame. Me and Greg, we always talk about the big picture. And it was symbolic to me. So, yeah, it's a little picture, but we talk about a big picture. It's a picture. So he couldn't really even get the picture right, which is the point. But I love him. And I have a frame. And I love it.

33:49Ben Mandelker: Yeah, it's nice to see that she still has not put a picture in the frame.

33:53Ronnie Karam: She loves it so much, it's just not going to be used ever. I know.

33:56Ben Mandelker: Well, it is a ring, just a ring of metal that goes around a picture. And I love when she goes, I actually love picture frames. I don't know why. It's like, of course, this is Kiana's defining personality trait. She loves picture frames. She's like, he loves me.

34:10Ronnie Karam: he knows that I like picture frames and he got me a picture frame

34:16Ben Mandelker: picture frames just get me more and more of them I'm going on to picture frame reddit right after this

34:21Ronnie Karam: but I actually feel bad for any husband who does buy his wife or partner you know girlfriend or whoever a picture frame as a gift thinking it's going to be nice like wow she likes picture frames I'm going to get her a picture frame because after this show oh you're going to get kicked out of the house or have to sleep on the couch

34:38Ben Mandelker: I I yeah the picture frames have I feel like picture frames have really dropped by the way I hate her picture frame that she has I feel like we haven't like talked about it enough

34:46Ronnie Karam: it's ugly and I feel like it's gonna have dog hair in it you know it's like just it's gonna be hard to dust it's got you know it's not a good picture frame it's like a series it's like it's

34:56Ben Mandelker: like this gold frame with a series of like hearts that are tumbling around it and like this there are hearts but if you're not looking carefully it sort of just looks like static or like wiring or like an electrical current. It's not even a pretty pattern. It looks like a dish,

35:12Ronnie Karam: like one of those metal scrubby things you use to clean a dish, but you've used it so much it's all kind of pulled apart. Uh-huh.

35:20Ben Mandelker: Like a shower scrunchie, a shower poof after its time. And I say that as someone whose shower poof is basically turned into a giant mop head.

35:30Ronnie Karam: Me too. And how does that happen? They should be able to last longer.

35:34Ben Mandelker: I actually like it that way. They have more coverage. I like when they get big I had it in their infancy where they're tight tight little shower poofs I want them to I moved on to sponges huh?

35:47Ronnie Karam: I moved on to sponges I use big sponges now oh that's nice like a loofah no well kind of I mean kind of I'll send you a picture we'll talk about it over on Amazon put it in the newsletter newsletter yeah huge news sponges

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37:28Monique: So she's like, I love picture frames. Well, we saw Greg go ring shopping this season and then he gifted you with a picture frame. And that really made the viewers mad. Made me kind of sad. And then I waited by the phone for Charisse's son to call me to make me feel better. But he hasn't yet. Yet! Still have hope. How do you feel about that, Kierna? She's like, well, I mean, I understand why they could be mad, but I'm not mad. So I don't know why they're mad because I'm not mad. You're not mad. No, I'm not mad. Are you mad yet? I'm still not mad. Well, all right. Let me give you a situation. Let's pretend you're handsome, you're successful, and you have everything going for you, and Charisse's son hasn't called you.

38:09Monique: How do you feel? Are you mad?

38:12Tia: Now, since you love that picture frame so much, would you be mad if we took a picture of Charisse's son and put it in the frame and then took another picture of me, cut me out of it, and attach it to his picture, and it would be in your frame. You would still have your frame, but now we could see what our future would be like if Charisse's son and I were together. Think about it.

38:35Ronnie Karam: The thing with the picture frame is that it came from the same jeweler, so I was thinking

38:39Monique: maybe it was going to be jewelry. And she's like, well, I get why you were thinking that, because it came from a jeweler, so it looks like maybe it was going to be jewelry, but it wasn't. It was a picture frame, and I prefer picture frames. I want to walk down the aisle just wearing a picture frame on my hand. that's all I really want

38:51Ben Mandelker: walking down the aisle I think it's like it's the picture frame the thing is that like if Greg had gone out and bought this picture frame at like Macy's or something or Target or whoever knows where like it'd be fine okay it's a cute little gift but the fact that he went to a jeweler and got the frame at the jeweler so he gets the cred of like getting her something nice because it's from like a jewelry shop but it's just a picture frame that's what annoys me because Because like Giselle says, you have a bag that has the jeweler's name on it. You have a little box. It's like it's literally telling you one narrative.

39:29Ben Mandelker: And then at the last second, you're just getting a picture frame. It's just like it's like opening up a box from Tiffany's. And inside is like a stapler. It's like, that's not cool.

39:39Ronnie Karam: Yeah. And it's also there's another level to it because he's saying, look, I went to the store. So I'm thinking about getting you a ring. Yes. But I'm still not going to do it. It's like that's even worse It's like wow you've really talked to me so much about this That I'm really considering it Still not getting what you want sucker

39:56Ben Mandelker: Or I wanted to But the only thing I could afford Was this picture frame So this is the best that I could do It's just like you know It's just not what a real housewife Deserves Yeah

40:13Ronnie Karam: Well I don't know You date Greg And you're still dating Greg Like, just go away. Get away from Greg. That man does not want to marry you. You should not have to beg somebody. Yeah. To marry you. Although, if you get a condo out of it, you know. I don't know. But did she? Do I believe that she got the condo from Greg? I still don't. I don't. I don't know. I think Kierna's just kind of full of it. You know, she's tried. She's really made an effort for. What does she have? Three seasons now? This is her third season somehow. Enough. You know? And now her big thing is like she had that line. Like, my condo.

40:45Monique: My things. My.

40:46Ronnie Karam: whatever she had.

40:47Monique: I'm in.

40:48Ronnie Karam: Yeah, man. And then she, she had the iconic thing of Stacy basically shutting her up, but that wasn't her thing. That was Stacy shutting her up. And then her biggest thing, you know, she's repeating that line here. Like it's, she's like, Oh my God, I remember that line. It was so iconic. And then she's bringing out her other iconic thing, which is that picture frame, which is so sad. And I think it's, it might be time to just, you know, say bye. Bye.

41:11Ben Mandelker: The lease is up. I think the thing is that, um, with Kierna's famous line of, you know my things my condo my man whatever it is that line is famous not because she said such a great line that we're like yes this is going to be a mantra in my life it's because she like her order of priorities where she thought she was like reading stacy the filth and she's like i'm so happy for my life i've got my condo or whatever it just was like it was so lame it was so lame and we all laughed at it. Like we were all laughing at Kierna in that moment. And she's like, yep, that was my line. It's like, oh, no.

41:50Ronnie Karam: Yeah, it might be time to go. She'll always have her cheekbones. And that's the good news. And Andy's like, well, you believe that moving back in with Greg made K loser power, Giselle? Answer. And she's like, well, that's what the old aunties say. And by old aunties, I mean, certainly not me. Like you are the old auntie. What are you talking about? Just say it. Just say yes. And that's, you know and she does basically she's like that's how i was raised and kieran is like well i get

42:16Monique: that i mean i get that the generation did things that way and you know there's the way i do things is a little bit different you know and that's a decision we're making very very careful i mean super carefully very very carefully first he went to the parking lot of the jeweler and he did that for about a month every day and then he finally went in so that was something i mean picture

42:31Tia: frames i love picture frames i love them all right well charise's son still hasn't answered my text asks, hey, why did you want a condo instead of a commitment? It's giving sugar, baby, which by the way, I just want everyone to know, I am open to being in that sort of situation with, I don't know, maybe one of your sons, maybe Charisse's, I don't know, but which is fine, but if you want that, but you just own it, Kierna, and stop making us think Greg is going to put a ring on it.

43:01Ronnie Karam: Okay, it's me, Angel, here guys. I just want you guys to get to know me a little bit better, So I just want to speak to this because there's a lot of projection that's going on about this. And, you know, there's no world in which she's a sugar baby. She's a very strong, independent woman who never threatened to chin check me.

43:22Monique: And Kieran is like, well, let me speak to this myself, OK, because I can speak for myself. One thing I will say about myself is that I've always been a hard worker and I've always, always since I was 23 years old, I've owned my own businesses. I've owned them. You know, have they been picture frame businesses? No, but they could have been. And I don't want people questioning me. Picture frames. I love them.

43:39Ben Mandelker: Just the best thing in the world.

43:40Tia: So Andy goes, okay, CJ from Louisville said, Wendy, why couldn't you just concede the point again? Just apologize for not showing up to her as a friend in the way that she expected. Seems like you just didn't want to be your friend.

43:53Ben Mandelker: She's like, well, I feel like your intent towards me was malicious. And Karen's like, don't speak to my intent because that was not the case. well I feel like you talk about the fact that I was a speaker and I didn't wave at you while I was speaking but you have never once said to the women that the moment I got off stage speaking I came up to you I gave you a hug and in fact I cut my arm on the picture frame that you had hanging off of your shoulder.

44:17Monique: Karen was like no you didn't no you didn't come up and give me a hug she's like oh I didn't let me finish let me finish because what's so funny is that when the episode

44:25Ronnie Karam: aired someone who was at the brunch literally came up to me and I remember they were at the brunch because when they came in, I waved at them. And they came up to me, and he goes, look, look, I got a picture. I got a picture of you hugging Kierna. So look at that, okay? And it was all, you know, I'm shocked. It must be a misunderstanding, you know? And this is Kierna, and this is what's kind of annoying about this whole season, being like, Stacy's a liar. When it's Kierna, they have no problem with Kierna, who's clearly gotten caught in a couple of doozies. Like, this one's crazy. I walked into a charity event, you were on stage speaking, and you didn't say hi to me from the stage.

44:59Ronnie Karam: That's crazy. And then to pretend she didn't hug you, it had to be caught on camera. The fact that this was even a fight is stupid. But the fact that you're actually being called out for being such a liar and it's being proven over your stupid storyline. It's ridiculous. Bye. Bye. Yeah.

45:20Ben Mandelker: So, and I just feel like it's also just so crazy that like Kierna is expecting Wendy to wave at her while she's talking. And then her argument is that it was a small room. So therefore she could just, if you're giving a presentation and you're speaking, you're under no obligation to wave while you do it. I'm sorry. It's still one of the most ridiculous basis, basis, basis, basis, foundations of an argument.

45:44Ronnie Karam: It is. We're not all as unprofessional as me. You know, if we're up there on a stage and we're talking about stuff, I will definitely be like, are you eating candy? What kind is it? What does it taste like? Like, do you have any more? I mean, but not everybody's that unprofessional, you know? Yeah. So they go back and forth about the hugging.

46:02Tia: And Andy's like, okay, I want to move on to Sharice's son. I'll be the top. He could be the bottom or go the other way around. Whatever works. Am I right? Okay. So, Kay, can you clearly explain your issue with Stacey?

46:15Ben Mandelker: And she's like, well, my issue is that she would act like I was so aggressive. And Stacey goes, because you are. Well, which has nothing different that which was nothing different than what anyone else has said or done in to her in this group.

46:28Ronnie Karam: And she's Stacy's like, no, you were aggressive. And he is like, yeah, that's a harsh word. You shouldn't use that word. And Kieran is saying, no, it's a very convenient narrative that you like to pull out.

46:38Monique: And Stacy's like, but it was aggressive. It was literally aggressive. You were in my face.

46:43Ronnie Karam: And Kieran says, oh, it's very black hair of you. And so Stacey says, listen, I understand the connotations. I have responsibility as a black woman to not perpetuate that stereotype, but she has a responsibility as a black woman to act accordingly and to behave herself. And the world saw. I mean, we're going in and we're veering into respectability politics there, which I think she should have just left it at, you know, I know that no one likes the word aggressive, but you were literally in my face pointing fingers at me and screaming at me in public. So to me, that's aggressive. and just left it at that.

47:17Ben Mandelker: Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because when she says how someone should behave themselves, that is such a fraught topic that it's like, not the best, not the best. So Andy's like, okay.

47:29Ronnie Karam: And we learned about that during the Monique versus Candace season when Giselle was using that argument. Against Monique.

47:37Tia: Yes. And so Andy is like, okay, well, what about ordering cheese in front of a lactose intolerant person? I think you're allowed to do that. That was hilarious. Well, do you think that it's aggressive to order cheese in front of a lactose?

47:56Ben Mandelker: Daisy goes, that's not what happened. It's not. We see a flashback to her ordering burrata. Okay. It's like, I can't eat dairy, by the way. You want to split this? Let's get something to share. Okay. Burrata on a pile of cream cheese. Thank you.

48:11Monique: And Karen was like, exactly, Abby. Exactly. And she's like, so what? Now I tried to kill her with cheese? She's like, yes, she did. She tried to kill me because I told her I was allergic. You brought me a peace plant with no damn peace, my friend.

48:24Ronnie Karam: You tried to kill me with cheese. Okay, Kierna.

48:28Ben Mandelker: What type of friend are you? You chin-checked your friend. And Kierna's like, well, you know what? And you know what? You know what? Like, okay, let's just move on. Let's move on, Andy. Let's move on. Moving right along, Andy.

48:39Ronnie Karam: Great alliance, madness, and sadness.

48:43Ben Mandelker: so Anthony's like okay

48:45Tia: we're gonna take a quick break and Jazzy's gonna join us we'll be right back

48:52Monique: and Kierna's like we'll see what Carol Kenny has to say

48:55Ronnie Karam: so now Wendy and Kierna are mocking each other back and forth and now Jazzy comes back and she's ridiculous and has three assistants carrying her dress because it's just so intricate. She's a wag now, everybody. In case you didn't know, she has three assistants to carry her dress. Yes.

49:17Ben Mandelker: So Andy's like, wow, everything's coming up

49:20Tia: Nigerian. And Andy's like, well, I'm trying to tell you. Because it's covered in roses. Mm-hmm. Get it? Andy's like, okay, we're back. And Jassy's joined us. Hey, Jassy. And she's like, hello, Andy. Great to see you again. Married lady. Yes, thank you. Congratulations. Yes. Do you know Charisse's son? Can you just give him a little text for me anything she's been married six months now where's darius playing why

49:46Monique: the new england patriots okay and he's like have you met fellow patriots wag cardi b wow and she's

49:55Ronnie Karam: like well no she came to one game and i wasn't at that game so i didn't get to meet her so now they're talking about kierna's relationships uh no kierna's relationship with her and jazzy where do you stand with Kierna? And she's like, well, the two of us stand in front of each other, and then we say nothing to each other whenever we see each other because that's what happened yesterday on the bus. Congratulations, you've reached the end of part one of a two-part recap. For part two, go look for the recap that says part two. See you over there, suckers.

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