#3229 RHOP S10E19 Reunion 2: Bizarre Love Triangle (Part 2)

0:00Ben Mandelker: What happens when

0:17Jassi: there's so much that crap happens? Well, hello and welcome to What's What Crappens.

0:24Ronnie Karam: This is part two of a two-part recap. if you're like hey wait a minute I didn't hear part one guys it's because we put out a lot of recaps go back and listen to part one okay it's before this one bye enjoy the show

0:40Ben Mandelker: and Kiana's like well I didn't recognize you so you know I didn't and I didn't recognize you on the train and I was like but she looks the same and Stacy goes why why didn't you recognize her she goes well I just didn't recognize her you know and now she spoke and then when I looked up I was like oh that's Jassy but like I didn't recognize her she didn't speak and you know it's all good she's like sort of trying to do like low key shade right now and everyone's like okay come on Kierna we know who she was

1:08Ronnie Karam: Kierna versus Jazzy these are two people who are trying so hard to make up storylines that are just fizzling

1:15Ben Mandelker: I find Jazzy more entertaining

1:17Jassi: than Kierna I have to say like I would rather have Jazzy than Kierna

1:21Ronnie Karam: I don't I choose nothing you know what I mean if those are both being past I just choose to eat at home if that's the appetizers I just don't like I don't hate them or anything I don't hate either one of them I mean I like them both fine but I mean they're both just trying so hard I mean you're gonna come into the reunion and your your first argument out the gate is like she ignored me on the train yeah I do love that this is the cast that has to take the

1:47Ben Mandelker: train to the reunion I mean they take the cell it's nice it's a nice train but it's just just the concept of it is still very funny to me. But I think, I mean, you're right. That's how you get around in the northeast. That's how we get around, eh? We love that train. It's no snobbery against the train, but there's just something about taking a train to the reunion is a funny concept, even though it makes total sense, and it's a really fun thing to do. Because this is, I think, last reunion, I think Ashley was like, I was on the train, and I was showing a guy, and he's like, oh yeah, that lady would get wasted at legal seafood.

2:25Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I used to wait on her at legal seafood.

2:29Jassi: What a coincidence to see you here on the train. But ultimately, I like Jazzy. Just nobody recognizes Jazzy on the train. It's just her lot in life.

2:39Ben Mandelker: She was in a Tarabanks trench and like a mustache.

2:41Jassi: Like, who's that? Oh, that's good.

2:45Ben Mandelker: Given that there are two people who are trying a lot, I think like Jazzy, her version of try hard is more entertaining to me but ultimately i think what we saw with mia is that like the try hards are not great on this show and they will ultimately be corrosive and the show has been in my book like much better without mia and i i was someone who actually really enjoyed mia at first but mia is like a classic reality star she's gonna do whatever she needs to do she'll have her fight whatever fight she needs to have just to like have her reality star moment and jazzy sort of feels like she's a bit in that mold so that's like a red flag

3:23Ronnie Karam: for me but karen is just kind of boring so and mia also was extremely entertaining i mean mia really fucked it up especially her last season with all of her you know lies and stuff about her marriage and her i mean everything that was going on was crazy but mia was damned entertaining

3:41Jassi: at least because she was a blatant liar and a bad one at it yeah but even beyond that like even her

3:46Ronnie Karam: arguing with the ladies was really funny. She stood up for herself right in the beginning. I mean, her first entrance onto the show was when Wendy had all the surgery and she and Wendy went at each other. I mean, all that stuff was so good. She had something. She had like a certain spark to her and a certain personality that was just really, really good for housewives. And I just don't see that in either Kierna or Jazzy. They're just like, eh, it's just like two, it's like auditions. You know, like we were doing all season. Like, da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. Here they come. And now it's their reunion audition.

4:16Ronnie Karam: And it's just everything is like, oh, God, it's a disaster. In a real audition, they would have just been kicked off the stage weeks ago.

4:23Jassi: Yeah.

4:25Ben Mandelker: So Kierna is saying now, Kierna is explaining why she did not recognize Jazzy on the train. And she says, you know what? She looks beautiful right now. She looks dressed. She has her dress on. But she just didn't look like this on the train. I didn't recognize her, which is her way of saying, yeah, when she's out of all this makeup and glam, she's butt ugly.

4:46Jassi: She's hideous. Yeah. She's hideous without makeup and hair.

4:52Monique: So, yeah. So, well, Nave from Pool said, Jazzy, what did Kay say about Wendy behind her back that was such a big deal when he brought it up in Nevis?

5:04Ronnie Karam: And basically Jazzy's like, well, I didn't share everything that she said out of respect for where I thought that we were. But it was a long conversation and I'm still not going to say anything. And that's why I bought this really expensive dress and brought three assistants. I'm still going to give you nothing.

5:21Ben Mandelker: Yeah. And so Kieran is like, well, you've got 15 minutes. Don't waste your time on me. Okay. Keep it moving.

5:27Monique: And she's like, no, no, you don't have to do all this. How about you don't have to? She's like, no, no, stop wasting your 15. No, you don't. You stop. Wrap it up. Okay. Well, then. Okay. Then I'll talk about you then. How about how you stole Greg from his wife and how you're raising his children?

5:44Jassi: and then Wendy's like everyone's like whoa

5:51Ben Mandelker: what was that about and Karen's like you're a lying ass bitch and don't try it what is happening the JV team is fighting Karen's like you know what

6:00Tia: I knew this is what you wanted but you know what time out and Wendy goes no time in okay let's move on

6:09Jassi: Wendy's like this is finally getting good what are you calling time out for

6:12Tia: what the hell yeah but then andy's like i don't want to hear these two let's keep it going but

6:18Ben Mandelker: jazzy's like you're like oh oh a man who hasn't proposed after i told him after i told him three years it should be something serious blah blah blah she's like making fun of kiana and kiana's like you're goddamn right you're a goddamn flight attendant are you kidding me i'll book the next flight though i will book the next flight which i just love she's like she's like i've got like i don't know the flight attendant shaming is like what's that but it's also she misses the mark

6:40Ronnie Karam: because she's Kierna because she's like, you're a flight attendant, but don't worry, I'll book the next flight. Okay, she's a flight attendant. She doesn't book flights. It's not like you're saying, you work at Kayak, but don't worry, I'll book my next vacation. If you're going to say that, you need to be like, you're a goddamn flight attendant, but don't worry, I'll get my own nuts next time.

7:03Ben Mandelker: I feel like flight attendants are like unsung heroes because the amount of disgusting, awful people they have to deal with every single day where they have to be smiling their faces have to handle their garbage have to clean them after them they have to like stay pretty and cute and nice while literally cleaning up your poop in the bathroom and then serving peanuts and then listening to you know fran from hiboscus saying like complaining because she's hungry for something and her child is crying And like these and everyone, the flight attendants have to be smiling, keep the vibe right. They are heroes.

7:41Ben Mandelker: OK, oh, my gosh.

7:43Ronnie Karam: You know, as far as like you were saying, like they have to keep it cute and nice. No, they don't. I think those rules went out the window because now there are a lot of flight attendants who just look at you like if you fuck with me, I'll fucking kill you. It's like you have to win a flight attendant over now. It's not like it's it's very different. I'm like, oh, my God, please don't hate me because I know what came before me and I know it was horrible. I was sitting next to these people yesterday who were very nice to me, but they were this couple. She was sick, which, of course, I was like, oh, God, please don't get me sick right now.

8:14Ronnie Karam: And they got something free with their airline miles. I guess they got a free snack. So the lady came over and she had a reservation for this. It wasn't even first class. I was very impressed that they had like reserved snacks. So the lady come over and she's like, Christopher, OK, we've got a free snack for you. I need you to look here at the snack box and tell me what you want. And so the wife was looking. She's like, well, what do you have?

8:35Monique: All right. Well, we've got a tapas thing.

8:37Ronnie Karam: What's in the tapas thing?

8:38Monique: All right. Well, there's some olives. There's some chips. You know, I got a long line here.

8:41Ronnie Karam: I got to do the whole plane. She's like, okay. But then what's in this thing? But what's in that thing? What's in this thing? And what's in that thing? And then her husband's like, hey. Her husband goes back from the bathroom and he's like, hey, where's our snack? She's like, I've got your snacks here, sir. We're trying to pick a snack. What do you got? Well, we got tapas.

8:57Jassi: What's in the tapas? Oh, God. there's a cheese thing what kind of cheese she's like oh my god this lady is about to lose it and then he goes well what do you what did you order honey and then she said well you guys just get

9:12Ronnie Karam: one so just pick one and he goes no we should get two she says no you just with your program you only get one you're christopher right christopher is the one who gets it you know

9:21Jassi: i'm christopher but i got a wife you better give me two she's like nope you just get one how this lady did not pull out a baseball bat and just club this man over the head i'll never know Yeah, I would have taken that plastic box of very low grade cheese and bopped him on the head with it.

9:38Ben Mandelker: And it's like, you know, it makes me so happy for flight attendants. Like sometimes if I'm sitting in the aisle on the flight to Miami, I was sitting on the aisle and the guy in the middle was sort of like man spreading. So I sort of like was going a little bit to the left because he was like, he was also like elbow spreading. So I had to sort of like, sort of like drift into the left. And so what I don't realize is that my shoulder is sort of like spilling out into the aisle a little bit. And when it comes time for food and snack service, snack and beverage service, they come up that aisle with that cart.

10:09Ben Mandelker: And I'm like, this is their favorite thing. This is like bowling for them because they bonk everyone who is dangling in the aisle. and I'm sitting there and all of a sudden I feel like a boom boom you know because the car just like plows through you know and when they do that I was like I'm so happy for them like that must bring them so much joy like because they hate us all as they should and like they can't act it out they can't act on it but in that one moment they can be like fuck you fuck you just take Take all our shoulders out. I was like, do it. I was like, I'm not even mad that you bopped it.

10:47Ben Mandelker: Like, you deserve that moment of justice. Yeah, team flight attendant.

10:53Ronnie Karam: Yeah. Yeah, whatever, Kieran, going after the flight attendant. And so she's like, well, I'm going to book the next flight, though. And Jazzy goes, oh, really? With whose money?

11:00Monique: She goes, oh, oh, oh, I would love you to serve me. I got it. She goes, oh, oh, well, you don't. Well, I would actually because you showed up looking cheap. Yeah, you showed up looking cheap. Flight attendant? What is this? spirit? What are we on spirit now?

11:15Ronnie Karam: She's like, I looked custom. That's how I look and that's something clearly you don't know anything about with your

11:21Jassi: store-bought picture frame. I'm a wag.

11:24Ben Mandelker: I also do know how to go through customs because I was a flight attendant. But it is also, it is hilarious that Kieran is trying to shame her for being like a flight attendant when she's at the same time holding on to this like drugstore picture frame on her chest. I love picture frames That's what I love

11:45Ronnie Karam: She's like oh look at you You stupid flight attendant with your mansion And your millions of dollars

11:50Ben Mandelker: Very happy with my rented condo and my picture frame

11:53Ronnie Karam: Thank you very much

11:54Ben Mandelker: I'm happy with my condo that overlooks a Regional highway

12:01Ronnie Karam: It's time for a commercial It's time for a Crappens commercial So they're trying with each other And Jazzy's like oh that's all she has. And Kiernan goes, well, I have a body. Are you serious? She goes, okay, whatever. So

12:18Monique: Andy's like, okay, we gotta move on because really this is a terrible, stupid fight. But Jazzy, I hope you don't have any forks on you because the next segment is about me forking Sharice's son.

12:32Tia: See what I talk about the good place. I can show him that. So he's like, don't let the accent fool you. This British Nigerian princess may seem prim and proper, but some of her friends are calling bollocks on her posh persona and would love to say doodle-doo. So now it's Tia's moment. And Tia's like, oh, I know they're not calling Stacy my friend, are they?

12:59Monique: So then, hey, any culture shock joining this group, Tia? She's like, well, one of my fears in doing this was a bit of a culture shock because I've watched Lisa Vanderpump and people don't understand. It's her humor sometimes, British humor. Am I right? That would get her in trouble, so I was worried that that would happen to me, but alas, the internet has reminded me. I am no Lisa Vanderpump, so thank you, internet, keeping me humble. Thank you.

13:27Tia: All right. Well, Fish Tacos from San Diego says, Tia, we never see your husband. Is everything okay on the home front? And, hey, yes, yes, everything is okay. And you'll see right from the beginning, it's nothing new. He's never been on there. He's a very corporate person, and we don't see him on the show, and I don't actually see him quite really around the house either. That's why my children have rages when I go out of town. But he didn't love being called a nanny, so oopsies. But he's really being very defiant and won't do stuff because secretly he thinks that I think he's a nanny, which I don't.

14:05Tia: We're both our judges and nannies And we work for them Does anyone else have a child that kisses the mirror?

14:13Monique: It was a bit of a culture shock, Andy Because now I have to do carpools After this show ruined my carpool with my husband So thank you for that show And now she's like, well, you've been married And maybe he's just a little sensitive And she's like, well, I can say that Verbal abuse is a love language for me I just don't know why I can't get on board Ha ha

14:33Jassi: Ah, verbal abuse is a love language. Well, God, I love that British humor. I love that Andy gave his literal crappin's joke laugh.

14:46Tia: Well, we tease each other as we have joy and love. All right, well, you had a very unique and boring story about his sister. Let's see some of the clips of that.

14:58Monique: Oh, look at this. We have a clip of you going back to visit your childhood home. And look who's in it. Maurizio.

15:05Jassi: Oh, hey. So you're coming back to visit your childhood home? Wow. Yeah. We could do this for a couple of million. Yeah. Let's have a look. Yeah. Like maybe change out the banister. But other than that, it looks really good. So, yeah. Really nice.

15:20Ronnie Karam: So they watch the clip of the sister and stuff and talk about how her father had kids while he was married to the mom. mom and then he's like well why didn't you want to talk to your sister did you not hear the setup of the dad had kids on the mom why are we acting like that so crazy i mean it's not the kid's fault but as a kid i can understand how you would be like or as a younger person i could understand how you'd be like excuse me but the point is they have made friends and everything's okay and once she never spoke to her dad but once he was gone it was important to have her sister with her she He regrets nothing.

15:55Tia: It's a real testament to being open to an untraditional modern family. Almost as if, I don't know, your boss wound up in a long-term relationship with your son. Right? Right, everyone? Right? No one?

16:13Ronnie Karam: High five? Nothing? So Giselle's like, I'm going to make this story about me now because I had some family issues as well with my dad's will.

16:22Monique: Uh-huh. I'm not going to cry. Hold on. I am not going to cry. Yeah. And T is like, oh, my God, I've never seen a cry. This is going to be fascinating. And he's like, don't worry. You won't.

16:35Tia: I've been waiting 10 years to break that one.

16:39Ben Mandelker: So Giselle is she is she gives an update on this will, which is basically that. Sorry, I'm burping everyone. That's really. Did you eat the will? I ate the will. Guys, the update on the will is I ate it. And now it's, I'm burping it up.

16:56Ronnie Karam: Yeah, so basically she was suing the wife of her father because the wife wanted everything from the dad. And Giselle fought her in court, but Giselle lost the case. And I don't know, there's probably current wives everywhere who are like, hell yeah, you lost the case. But then she explains that, yeah, Jill's Aaron. But she explained, no, Jill's Aaron was like, should have called me, could have helped you. but yeah they basically talk about how this woman won the case and Giselle says it wasn't about the money there was civil rights like artifacts and stuff like that that she wanted and now she's not going to get from the evil wife I was like well if you maybe stopped calling her an evil bitch she might give you some of the stuff you wanted if it's not just money I don't know

17:45Ben Mandelker: I'm sorry this lady is evil like how do you not like past any you know you change it so that way you cut the granddaughters out of this guy's will like that is cray cray sorry that's just some shitty bullshit yeah but Giselle says that there's a silver lining cause the city of Houston is building a park in his honor and it's almost done which means that clearly next season they're gonna go to Houston and visit the park as they inaugurate it which is great and then Andy

18:14Monique: my only request is that they could put it

18:16Ronnie Karam: closer to the Arizonas

18:19Tia: Wow, so your dad was a massive member of the Civil Rights Movement, and they're building him a park in tribute. That is great. Hey, Tia, let's talk about you and Jassy getting into a squabble. Okay, let's pivot to that.

18:37Monique: Any more flight attendant jokes? Okay, let's move on. So, I'm sorry, Tia, let's talk about you guys. Jazzy, you were offended by Tia saying the restaurant owner called you beautiful and it was disrespectful to your relationship.

18:53Jassi: See? Here's another Jazzy fight and it's so stupid. Mr.

18:57Ronnie Karam: Sunshine comes over in the restaurant Nevis and he's like, oh, hey, ladies, have a shot. And they're like, yeah, he's a hottie.

19:04Jassi: Go get him, Jazzy. And she's like, how dare you? How dare you come from my relationship? I am a wag.

19:13Ben Mandelker: But not an elder wag. Like Angel. So Jazzy's like, let me say this. I didn't think that it was appropriate.

19:19Tia: And quite frankly, Tia didn't know me that well. And Tia's like, and Andy, would you like to know what the total truthful story is? I did say that when we got in the car. Tia was upset with me and I said, oh, I'm so upset. Because you don't really know me that well. So I'm not trying to disrespect your marriage or whatever it's called or future ex-marriage. Because obviously. And then that was the end of the conversation. And then we were having dinner. And then we had that fork moment. And she's just embarrassing herself. Because I tried to tell her. verbal abuse especially to someone stupid like you is my love language yeah yeah basically she's

19:52Ronnie Karam: saying this girl is pretending that we were getting along like she's pretending we were having a fight we weren't having a fight i apologize she accepted the apology we got along really well and then she needed a scene so she went at me at a restaurant and jazzy's like no i was embarrassing you for

20:09Monique: your piss-poor, non-wag behavior. And she's like, well, as everyone can see, I mean, why are you doing this? You've been very loud since you got here, and you've given me a headache. You can't even move in that dress. You're ridiculous. You're a talking statue covered in roses. It's ridiculous. Jazzy's like, you said you wouldn't bring it back up. She's like, well, as I was saying before I was rudely interrupted, your reaction was disproportionate and slightly unhinged. And you've been picking at me since you met me. You have a chip on your shoulder.

20:41Ben Mandelker: That's literally Moni coming out with a Dorito on her back, but we'll get to that. So Jazzy is like, she's like, well, I have worked. I have a working husband who makes millions. Unlike your husband. Let's be very clear.

20:53Ronnie Karam: And she's like, you know what, Jazzy, shush with this. Like, wow, you bagged a rich guy. That does not make you more worthy as a human being. And it's pretty sad that that's what you're hanging on to. Like, wow, every argument you get into, you're like, well, I'm rich now. because I married a rich person. Read a book. Okay. Go do something for a charity. Do something for some. I mean, get a job. Like, how is that your whole thing in life? Like, wow, I bagged a rich one.

21:18Ben Mandelker: Also, maybe watch the first few seasons of the show and watch the story of Juan Dixon. And then you can see what happens to professional athletes after they hit their prime. Because guess what? It's not going to stay that way. It's great that he has the money now, but it's going to go away. Odell Beckham Jr. was, former football player brother of what's his face, Cordell on Love Island. He has some ridiculous clip that's going around where he's complaining. He got a$150 million contract and he's like, yeah, but you lose half of it to the agent, to taxes and then you got to pay your agents and this and that.

21:56Ben Mandelker: And then you got to make like, you know, $8 million a year. You got to make$8 million stretch or whatever. And he's like complaining and everyone's giving him shit because it's like oh wow like there are people who are like struggling just to pay for groceries and you're you're you can't you can't make ends meet but the but the truth is that i think with a lot of athletes is they do get a lot of money but then they have a lot of expenses and the downsizing is very hard and and uh jazzy is probably going to be facing that at some point she definitely will be facing it at some point who knows when that will come who knows if there'll be like another seven years or not, but she's sitting here talking about how she has this, like her, you know, this rich man, which is cool and great.

22:41Ben Mandelker: It's cool. You got a professional athlete. It's very exciting, but this fairy tale has a second act and we've all seen into the woods and we know what happens there.

22:51Jassi: Yeah. Just bring it back for you, Ronnie. I was like,

22:54Ben Mandelker: I'm talking too many sports for Ronnie right now. Let me bring it back to Sondheim.

22:57Ronnie Karam: Well, yeah. And it's just like a celebrity thing in general. You're, you suddenly have all this money, but you make more than you spend more, you know, And then you can't keep up because expensive things are extremely expensive. I mean, if you have a couple million dollars, they'll take it all. You know, the minute you get bigger eyes for something, you know, the more that money drains.

23:14Jassi: So be careful over there.

23:16Ronnie Karam: Yeah. I'm just embarrassed for her. It's just so like I've had money for a week to be like, oh, yeah, well, I'm rich. So your argument is bullshit.

23:23Monique: Well, you're rich, but you still suck. So Tia's like, oh, and by the way, speaking of, you told me that her husband didn't have a job. So excuse me, she told me her husband didn't have a job, and he took$150 ,000 out just to get her a home and clothes. And she goes, are you dumb? Are you crazy? I mean, when he didn't have a job, we paid cash to get my home. I mean, what's the problem? Talking about my husband didn't have a team, and he paid cash for my home? Well, now we've got money.

23:51Tia: Oh, well, you're a friend of nobody. And by the way, your one job is to be a friend on the show, and you failed at your job because, see, you're not friends with anyone. See, see how that works? Friend of

24:04Ronnie Karam: Yes, that's a slam Someone's like, oh, you're broke And she's like, you're a friend of Sorry

24:12Tia: Alright, well I want to move on Wendy, you defended Jazzy during the argument Stacey not wanting to attend her wedding So Stacey, did you only go to Jazzy's wedding Because Wendy convinced you it would be bad optics And Stacey's like, no

24:24Ben Mandelker: No, she never said she was upset Or questioned me She only had a problem and told me how hurt she was when we were in the final 15 minutes of filming because she wanted to have a moment and our friendship was fractured way before.

24:38Monique: Oh, stop the madness, Stacey. Your bullshit is really a form of art. You're poor.

24:45Ronnie Karam: So, yeah, like we've said a million times during the season, she probably went to your wedding because she knew other people were going to go there because no one wants to go to a wedding alone. Nobody wants to. And it would have been bad optics,

24:57Jassi: so she said, I will go.

24:59Ronnie Karam: so yeah um is it true that you only had your wedding at that time because you were trying to get it on tv yes so why is that better the only reason you wanted those people there is because they were on a tv show that you wanted to get on so please and so the optics thing by the

25:15Ben Mandelker: way i think 50 of people who go to weddings do it for good optics because they know i don't really want to go to this but i probably should because that'd be should if i don't they're not saying i I want to go to this because I really want to like be there to like see this special moment. Like, I know they're like, it would be shitty if I don't go. So I'll go. Yeah. I don't go for, for optics. I go for good, like buffets. I mean, honestly, if I were Stacy, I would have, it would have been like a yes and a heartbeat because I'm definitely going to go to some, I'm going to go to an NFL wedding. Hell yeah.

25:47Ben Mandelker: Be there any moment, any moment. You just any, Hey, any wags out there, invite me to your wedding. I will be there. Cause I want to go to an NFL wedding. Okay. I want to see that. I want to see a lavish ass wedding for as much as we just talked about, like it's all, all that money is going to go away. So stop bragging about your money. I'm like, but while you have it and you are spending lavishly loop me in. Okay. I want to go to that wedding.

26:09Ronnie Karam: Yeah. So now we go back to jazzy recording phone calls and she's like, Oh my God, Stacy's literally using a small minute minute, a minute situation that happened genuinely,

26:21Monique: literally.

26:22Ronnie Karam: when you have that many at the end of your sentence you're lying I've learned that about people genuinely literally you're a liar so Stacy's like oh that wasn't minute that wasn't small

26:33Jassi: she'd been recording phone calls

26:35Ben Mandelker: that kind of rhymed if you think about it yeah it's almost like a song lyric Jazzy's like Stacy said to me Jazzy are we good no so I hope you all have watched what you've said to her cause she records and he's like and he says has anyone else experience this and Wendy

26:52Jassi: raises her hand and Kiana raises her hand so yeah so Jazzy was doing it so here's another situation

26:58Ronnie Karam: where Stacy's somewhat vindicated this is crazy so Stacy's like oh I want and by the way how stupid are you I think doesn't it say that you're recording the call I would imagine that when you press record the call it says like the call is recording isn't that how Stacy found out so what is Jazzy doing

27:19Jassi: being the worst call recorder of all time where everybody has caught her and she still keeps doing

27:25Ben Mandelker: it yeah she's not even getting a britney abatement lashing they just don't even care enough they're

27:31Ronnie Karam: like yeah she does it whatever yeah they're like we're our concentrate we're concentrating on

27:36Jassi: stacy uh not kia no we'll get her i mean not jazzy we'll get her next time yeah and so um

27:42Ben Mandelker: you know and stacy's like saying you know you're putting people on speaker and promising that they can pour their heart out and then you tell people you know like you're recording and jazzy's like you are trying to exacerbate a situation as an excuse of your piss poor behavior you're a

27:55Tia: fucking fraud and you know you are everyone should focus on their own lives and he's like okay well jazzy you had your moment now we're gonna bring out the friend of that everyone really cares about monique all right monique come on out here so this outfit is something it's crazy she's wearing

28:13Ronnie Karam: like a big flat triangular thing on her back and then another smaller one on her front. She looks like a napkin holder.

28:24Ben Mandelker: I did love it. But yeah, it was very angular. It had severe sharp turns. I did not love it.

28:34Ronnie Karam: Like how am I supposed to pass you in a hallway? Like that's dangerous. I don't feel like I should be afraid of your clothes.

28:40Ben Mandelker: I just appreciated it for just being wacky. You know, it was like, yeah, it was that. It was like, it reminded me of like something that you'd wear, like someone wore and risk and like not risky business, like ruthless people, you know? Yes.

28:51Ronnie Karam: I was going to say it was like the set of ruthless people, you know, like all super modern furniture and stuff.

28:57Ben Mandelker: Memphis or something. It's like, I think that art style was called Memphis. All that weird, wacky eighties furniture could be wrong. I'm just like in the name of random city. I'm like, guys, I think that's called Bloxley. So Monique comes out with this crazy triangle outfit. and she is like, you know, I'm trying to top the last reunion. It's been five years. Isn't that crazy? I had so much fun, but they didn't show half of it. Here I come, and someone's like, no binders, and then she's like, oh, she's bringing the binders. Bring two binders. Here she comes.

29:26Ronnie Karam: She's got two. She brought two binders, which is so funny, and she's like, well, don't worry. It's not a secret. I just brought it just in case. I love reading those bitches, so she comes out, and he's like, hey, Triangle.

29:43Monique: Ashley's like, is that an arrow pointing to the treasure chest?

29:46Ronnie Karam: And she's like, well, it's an upside down pyramid. Because guys, when I was in Egypt, that's when I found myself. So doing the whole pyramid thing. Yeah, guys. Essential oils. I sell essential oils.

29:59Jassi: Nothing says I sell essential oils by wearing upside down pyramid dresses to the region. Guys, she's sending a message.

30:07Ben Mandelker: Be careful.

30:09Monique: commercials here comes one right now

30:14Tia: um so uh we're back hi Andy great to see you Monique what a difference five years can make am I right is the difference between being 22 and 27 which is a big difference if you think about it

30:30Monique: guys yeah you know and it's five years and we're in the same studio and he's like oh well I don't care okay so i really wanted to congratulate you on your journey of self-discovery and healing so you you made positive changes we can all see it we can all see it it's so impressive i'm wondering if season five monique was here what advice would you give her she's like well

30:55Ronnie Karam: you know i would tell her to calm her ass down andy ha ha ha i mean it's just not that serious right guys? I mean, put the weapon down, am I right? I'm just fun positive Monique.

31:07Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I've done a lot of healing. Someone said I've become a square. Or should I say

31:10Tia: a triangle?

31:13Ben Mandelker: Okay, geometry.

31:14Ronnie Karam: And you're like, okay, well. I just wanted to come back with softer edges this time around, Angie.

31:20Monique: You're literally cutting hallways. There's a scrape down the hallway. Your dress is terrifying.

31:26Ben Mandelker: Andy, I just want to do the right thing. The right angle thing, triangle humor. You just sort of have to wear one to understand it.

31:32Ronnie Karam: I just wanted something in case Candice came back. I could stab her in the eye as she started crying.

31:39Monique: Fun, Monique!

31:42Tia: Scalene triangles, am I right, guys?

31:47Ronnie Karam: So, Monique. And Giselle's like, well, that would have been nice if you were calmer during the earlier seasons. Oh, Giselle, don't pretend that you weren't sitting there agitating every second of everything with Monique at all times. I love that they, I don't like that Monique has had to take this stance of like, okay, I'm just going to come back and completely eat shit. And I mean, it's worked, right? But it's like, oh, Monique, you know, it went too far with the Candace stuff. Yes. But everybody else just gets off scot-free. I don't think that's fair.

32:23Jassi: Yeah.

32:24Ben Mandelker: So Monique has said, you know, when she says like, Like, oh, I put the weapon down. Is it the weapon being the binder? She's like, yes. And by the way, I brought it just in case. And so she holds up the binder. And he's like, wow, I need that binder. Is this the binder? So he takes it, like, presumably to bring to the clubhouse. And then he's, like, looking through it. And it's like, okay, there's a tab for Wendy and for Robin and the last lady. Oh, she's like, yeah, sorry, Giselle. You're the last lady. The last lady.

32:55Tia: And Andy's like, okay, I'm going to give it back. Cause I don't know if I want something with Robin's name in the clubhouse. Okay. Here you go. Here you go.

33:02Monique: I saw Robin stab and I fell asleep, but yeah, take back the binder. What kind of, who are you?

33:08Ronnie Karam: How's anybody getting ahold of that binder and not immediately paging through that whole thing or putting it under your chair and being like, I need something to read during lunch or something. Yeah.

33:20Ben Mandelker: As our friend, Ira Madison would say, keep it. So Monique is like, well, we do need some new tabs, but you know, I've just been so busy in court and dealing with custody and all this other type of stuff. I honestly just had no time to even, you know, I had, there was a cease and desist. And isn't that crazy? Last night, 9 p.m., I got a cease and desist. Okay. And me and Ashley, we went to dinner and then all of a sudden my ex sent me a cease and desist. So I just don't have time for binders. And he's like, wow. Jazzy's like, well, the reason why you guys are there is because of Stacey, right? Stacey, it's Stacey's fault.

33:52Tia: Stacey's fault. Stacey, I got a cease and desist. It's Stacey's fault.

33:54Monique: You got to cease and desist. It's Stacy's fault. Karen is like, it's flight attendant's fault. Flight attendants did this.

34:02Ronnie Karam: And Monique's like, well, some of it is Stacy's fault, actually.

34:05Monique: And Stacy goes, what? Well, after five, I'm just going to pretend that didn't happen and that I don't have a binder. I just want to go home. I have a son. Okay. Well, after a five-year hiatus, Monique, you return to this group, blah, blah, blah. Let's give you a clip package. Okay. So they show Monique's clip package. Okay, well, over the shoulder from Boulder Holder says, you're much lighter this season, Monique. Can you explain more about how you've done that? She's like, well, first of all, thanks for noticing.

34:39Jassi: First step in becoming lighter is losing 350 pounds. Am I right?

34:46Ben Mandelker: Jazzy's like, I don't get it. So then she's like, the second step, honestly, it's just self-reflection. I just had to look at myself and I looked at myself and I was like, wow, you're wearing a triangle on your back.

35:00Ronnie Karam: And it was funny because I was looking at myself while I was wearing the shiny triangle and I could see my reflection through the shiny triangle and the mirror. And it was just like a million Moniques. I saw myself a million, whole wave Moniques, whole wave Moniques.

35:13Ben Mandelker: Yeah, I just looked at myself and I said, wow, you look like one of the buttons for an elevator. And that was cool. So Andy's like.

35:22Ben Mandelker: But I don't always go down, which is funny. So Andy is like, well, how good did it feel to have that lunch, the two of you guys, right? And I was like, well, I loved it. I loved it because I felt like me and Monique could have just been cool back then if we just had talked, you know, and we're not going to like, I don't know if we're ever going to be besties, you know, besties, besties. But like, I love the fact that we're moving in a positive direction and she's much better than Jazzy. So feels good to know that we have a good friend of for next season ready to go.

35:51Monique: Yeah. She's like, I'll take care of her next year. I love apology, Monique. I love lunch, smiling, Monique, pretending that I've never done anything mean to her in my life. Okay, well, something that people may not know is that I tried to get you on season two of Ultimate Girls Trip, and you said no. And she's like, yeah, it was a season with Dorinda. Yeah, and you were a hard pass. I mean, you really said emotionally you were not ready to come back to this platform.

36:20Ben Mandelker: She's like, yes. Well, they were not manufacturing triangle dresses at that point. So it just wasn't. When I say I was not in shape for it, I literally meant I just didn't have the shape. But now I do. So I'm good to go.

36:34Ronnie Karam: Yeah. She's like, well, I was still extremely rich and had other TV show offers on the table. So as my dress is saying, you can see the direction of where that went.

36:49Tia: all right well why weren't you ready then she's like well i just i'm like you know i was figuring

36:53Ben Mandelker: out my marriage and all that stuff and you know you you know i wasn't healed blah blah blah it's

36:58Ronnie Karam: like okay so she said she was mad she said she was mad at production and the cast and the network which i thought wasn't she's like fuck all of you guys you know because she was i remember her saying stuff back then she's like fuck all those people and they were like will you ever go back to bravo and she was like hell no i will never ever so yeah lots changed since then um so she's like you know um but then i realized you know i'm bored and staying at home by yourself in solitude is not actually peace because i have children so yeah just you and give me the fuck out of here

37:32Ben Mandelker: you and animals you know oh man children have my animals uh and he's like so what did your divorce teach you about yourself. And Monique is like, well, it taught me that I didn't love myself. They say typically whoever you're in a relationship with will tell you a lot of what you feel about yourself. And I was in a relationship where I was allowed to be depleted. And I don't know, what is the emotional term for I would wake up feeling like an actual pancake after sex? What's that?

38:00Ronnie Karam: I felt like I was a leaf that had fallen between two pieces of wax paper and then ironed into kindergarten class. Do you know that feeling, Andy? That's how I felt when I woke up under Chris.

38:17Tia: So Angel's like, well, Monique, you mentioned that you see a lot of similarities between Angel's marriage and now your dissolved marriage.

38:23Ben Mandelker: Do you stand by that statement? She's like, well, look, I wasn't coming after her marriage or coming after your husband, Angel. Don't you worry. I'm just not interested enough in you in that way. And Angel's like, well, and I want everyone to know that like things don't bother Bobby and I think that he's like he thought that you guys had a good rapport so that really bothered him because he didn't think that of you like you just said that things don't bother Bobby

38:46Jassi: listening to your own sentence Angel you just said

38:50Ben Mandelker: bothered okay things don't bother Bobby

38:52Ronnie Karam: but that bothered him

38:54Ben Mandelker: yep Monique's basically like you know it seemed like oh yeah it seemed like Bobby has an issue with me because he wouldn't talk to me but essentially like and Angel's like well no he keeps it real. He keeps it real. You know, he keeps it real. It's not out of rudeness. She's like, no, it was rude. It was rude because he could have just said that in that moment. He could have said hi or whatever. And he's like, yeah, he's odd at me too.

39:14Tia: He's odd at me when, uh, I texted him. I said, Hey Jackson, you up? And he's like, this is Bobby, not Jackson. I said, my bad, my bad.

39:23Monique: Do you have his number? Okay.

39:29Monique: And Angel's like, oh, he's not mad at you. We just saw you two days ago. He goes, I know. and I thought he was a little mad at me. So she's like, oh, no, no, come on, Andy, Andy. And Kieran is like, Bobby, don't mess around, honey. Bobby, do not mess around.

39:43Ronnie Karam: So Monique is saying, look, I was saying that because these NFL guys, you know, these are the kind of guys we come in contact with. And that's what I was trying to tell you. And when we first met and I started talking about the NFL and you were nodding your head like you're doing right now. And then once the cameras went down, you were like, well, I really want to talk to you and get some advice because we have things in common. And so we're on a trip and you're hosting and I'm watching you do it all. So when I saw that, I was like, well, I'll give some advice. So it looked like you needed help.

40:18Ronnie Karam: And, you know, I just wanted you to not work yourself to the point where now you're being aggressive with the group and being upset all the time.

40:26Ben Mandelker: Yeah.

40:26Ronnie Karam: I'll say that, you know, doing too much doesn't make her aggressive with the group. I think that's unfair. I mean, the group was kind of coming for her constantly.

40:36Ben Mandelker: Yeah, the group was coming for her. But like this is a very interesting way of Monique saying, no, no, no. I wasn't saying that your relationship is like mine and that there's any issues. It's just that I saw your relationship and it looked just like mine. And it looks like you have some issues. But I'm not saying that it looks like mine and you have issues. I'm just saying that's just what I noticed.

40:55Ronnie Karam: Your relationship looks just like mine, which I have detailed in my book, is abusive and toxic and horrible. And that's all I was trying to say. I was just trying to hug you. Consider it a hug.

41:05Jassi: Do you have any letters from your former self?

41:08Ronnie Karam: Love letters. Yes. I, you know, I think she did this. She handled this in a very classy way. I think it was very kind of her to deal with Angel like this instead of saying, Angel, I know that that probably hurt your feelings. and I shouldn't have been saying that stuff behind your back. I see how it was taken, but to me it looks like your husband is controlling and an asshole and you're afraid of him or whatever she really felt because she could have said that,

41:37Jassi: but she didn't. I thought that was nice.

41:40Ben Mandelker: Yeah. I mean, I think that basically she's saying, I just saw some things that reminded me of my situation where the husband's taking all the energy and you're doing everything for him and it's totally out of balance. and so I just wanted to check in because I saw what happened in my life and I want to make sure everything's good in her life. Yeah, and Angel's like, well, I'd look at this

42:00Ronnie Karam: and I think that that's projection. I saw a lot of projection this season because you don't know me and you don't know that my marriage is wonderful, but it is.

42:07Monique: And Bobby is wonderfully supportive. Oh my gosh, well, Bobby did everything when we were at your house. Remember when I stayed at your house and everyone else didn't? Oh, it was just pure luxury, husband luxury. He was basically the nanny. don't take it personally, Bobby. It's my love language.

42:26Tia: He did everything. For instance, when it was time to do the dishes, he scowled at me. And when it was time to clean up the table some more, he scowled at me. And when it was time to go to bed, he scowled at me. He just did everything. He was just so kind, that Bobby.

42:41Monique: So Kierna goes, and I'll say his host, he was actually the host for us more than Angel. He really made breakfast.

42:47Ben Mandelker: Kierna, geez. That's funny. That's actually cute. I actually do believe that Bobby did do that stuff. But I think that like, you know, I don't know. I think that I can't tell really what Bobby's role in this is. Is Bobby, sometimes I get the idea of like Bobby's just doing Bobby and Angel is like insecure about it and like trying to, I think she's like afraid that she's going to get like kicked to the side or something like that.

43:13Ronnie Karam: I don't think Bobby's done anything wrong. I think all this started when Giselle and them started making a big deal when he was rude, quote unquote, in their words. Which was not that bad. At that thing that they went to that was all the way far away from where they lived. They had to get all these kids there. It's this family day thing. The ladies are calling them, giving all the shit after coming for his wife all week or all month or whatever. And they're like, where are you? And he said, we'll get there when we get there. And they're like, oh, man, speaking to a woman like that. I mean, I think they've been really overplaying this Bobby thing.

43:48Ronnie Karam: I think at the final vacation thing, he came off like a real dick. Yeah, with his friends. Because he just sat there, yeah, with his friends. I think he came off like a real asshole at that one.

43:59Ben Mandelker: I hope Andy asks about that because in the previews for next week, we see that they're going to talk about Wendy's situation and Karen. But I'm like, I would love that trip to be addressed. It has to be addressed because that moment with Bobby and his friends was really obnoxious. Like that's one of the searing moments of like of the season for me of these guys just staring at the women and being so incredibly rude across the board.

44:25Ronnie Karam: Yeah, because my opinion the whole season had been like, oh, my God, they're just coming for Bobby. Bobby's not doing anything wrong. And then that happened. And I was like, come on, Bobby.

44:34Jassi: I've been sticking up for you the whole season, man.

44:36Ben Mandelker: yeah I do think that like in this situation though like by and large like for the whole season it seems like Bobby has been like fine and it's just Angel has like a a strange energy about it all like she's like nervous about it or she's like I don't know there's something like something that's off that she's like overcompensating for you know like I don't know it seems like she's just like not settled I get the sense that she's like a little bit like she's like afraid that she's gonna do something wrong and like I kind of get the sense that maybe it's a situation that she's whipped up in her head like she's gonna like I don't know she's afraid that like she's gonna upset Bobby or let Bobby down or whatever I can't tell but like you know I feel like her energy is a little extra when it comes to Bobby but I don't know I don't know what the source that is

45:28Ronnie Karam: time will tell but I don't think Angel has more time on this show so it probably won't

45:33Ben Mandelker: I kind of wanted her to come back back at this point it's so weird yeah i would actually be interested to see more of their relationship in a weird way to see like is this is this all angel's energy what does bobby contribute

45:47Ronnie Karam: to it if anything i don't know i took it honestly as angel kind of using bobby's an excuse when she didn't want to be around the girls or i mean it seems like she's got such a close relationship with bobby because of how she talks about him and you know like we're a team and you know this and that so i mean i don't know yeah but you know the only shitty energy i got from bobby was at that finale party but even then when he was like well you know she said well the ladies they want me to go what she what was it like they they want me to go party with them and stay at this thing tonight and he was like okay well do you want to go i'm just like no i don't want to go and he's like then don't fucking go and then so it makes it like he's telling her not to go but he wasn't really telling her not to go you're saying do you want to go so i don't know if the energy is just her being like well bobby doesn't want me to do things is because she doesn't really want to do them and she's using that as an out but i don't know can't tell i know what you're saying i can't

46:44Ben Mandelker: either you can't tell if like does he really not want to take care of the kids for a few more hours or does he or is she using it as an excuse or she's sort of like nervous to leave him behind

46:55Ronnie Karam: And honestly, the track record of people that we've seen on Bravo, it's like, well, I certainly don't want to sit here and say, no, Bobby could never. This would never happen because, I mean, look at just the crappies nominations this year alone of the shitty men and what they do.

47:10Jassi: So I certainly don't want to discount that theory if that could be true.

47:15Ben Mandelker: But I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think back in the day, I really liked Chris as well. And I don't think I detected any of this from Chris. Oh, there was a, no, wait, no, there was like a, there was a turn, a slight turn where he was just like, I want more sex. And she was like, but, but I don't remember. It's like, it was past like nine months ago. So I have, it's all just vague memories at this point. Yeah.

47:36Ronnie Karam: Well, you've got a longer memory than my five minutes. I'm like a mosquito. Jesus. So anyway, Angel's like, well, now, you know, you said all this stuff about my husband. And so now people are running with this narrative and it looks like I'm facing trouble in my marriage. And that's not true. And Wendy's like, what people? And Giselle's like, yeah, who said that? And she's like, you know, the people, the public. And so she meets the viewers. And I love that Giselle's like, who? Who said that? The people that you're trying to make think that all season, Giselle. The United Nations.

48:05Ben Mandelker: They had an emergency meeting and they said something's going on with Angel and Bobby. The three amigos.

48:12Ronnie Karam: All three of them. Martin Short, very, very, very upset for me.

48:17Monique: So Andy's like, okay, let's move on. Stacy, you're back with Demo this season and he makes misshapen pizzas. So let's talk about that. Did you date Chris Samuels or not? Okay, because we have photos with you on a date with him. And then you admitted it to Ashley on producer cam.

48:35Jassi: We have photos of you on a date with him. Really?

48:38Ben Mandelker: Because there's a picture of her at a table with Chris. Oh, okay. Which to me is just, you know, whatever. They're eating together. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. yeah that Stacy says there was actually a table of 25 people she was never on a date just with him and Andy's like but it seems like on that producer cam you kind of cop to it and she goes well I admitted that I saw him out and I've always admitted that I didn't go on a one on one date with Chris and Ash is like

49:06Tia: yeah but you said it in the context of you and

49:08Ben Mandelker: Timo and Kieran's like yeah you were seeing

49:10Jassi: other people yeah I know come on now Stacy you said

49:14Ronnie Karam: on that they show us the video again and Stacy's like listen When Timo and I separated, we both saw other people and Chris Samuels was one of those people. So she's going to try and wiggle out of this now. And so Kieran is like, but you were seeing other people. And Ashley says, well, Timo saw other people and that Chris was one of your people. You said that. She goes, no, I didn't see him. That's just not true.

49:36Monique: And that wasn't the context. So then Monique is. It was AI. It was AI. You could see it. Because there was a plane behind me and then it was a bus.

49:48Ben Mandelker: Monique says, well, she was in communication with him, but honestly, whether they dated or not has never been my issue. Because, you know, Stacey is a beautiful girl and I enjoyed watching him in this season. You're hilarious as hell. But it was just the boundary that was possibly crossed when it came to me sharing because I've not been in a space to be around people and let them into this magnitude of it in so long. And I just felt like if something needed to come back to me, it would. And it did. And I want to show you this. and I know you all won't be able to air it, but at least I can just let you watch here.

50:20Ben Mandelker: And so she holds up her phone and they're like, oh, so next week we'll find out.

50:24Ronnie Karam: Okay, so are we going to find out that Stacy was the one that went and told Chris? Because that's what it sounds like, right? That Monique was talking about him at that lunch? Because she says it's not about whether they dated, it's the boundary that was possibly crossed when it came to me sharing. So that means that she's talking about that dinner dinner where she was sharing and then someone went and told uh chris i think i feel like it's

50:51Ben Mandelker: gonna be a bit of a letdown whatever it is i don't feel like it's gonna be a really strong

50:55Ronnie Karam: and effective reveal well i will say this stacy looked worried yeah well we'll find out we'll

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